thorin glitching out while shouting at the cloud made it 10x funnier + monte not being able to tell him because thorin doesn't even take a breath during his rants
I may be the outlier here but I've been watching lcs since the start and have been a C9 fan since their inaugural season. I love the lcs, I would rather them merge with South America than lec.
As a south american, there won't be much value of merging with us. At best, LCS gets like 2 or 3 ok players, but there's not much else we can offer. We have a couple of "big" orgs, but they aren't even big in terms of fan size or viewers they would attract
I stopped watching as much, but I still enjoy the scene. Last year was actually a highlight for rosters. This year I'm hyped for C9, and will continue to support TL as always.
old school fan here, I only watch LCS because I live in North America, and I'm a historic C9 fan. But the last 2 years have been getting harder to watch and I've started to watch eastern regions far more. LEC is my favourite region to watch overall. Love the new format.
I only watched LCS because a couple of entertaining players or teams from earlier season. For me the best time for LCS was (and would always be) 2016. CLG won spring went all the way to MSI final with their unique team plays and occasional surprise picks. Immortals was also entertaining to watch because of the Huni-Reignover synergy. TSM with Bjerg and DL was also performing at their peak, same for C9 with Jessen and Impact. It really looked like the most hopeful year for NA. Overtime all of those players were either gone or became too trash to watch (or both) (especially Bjerg of all people. The dude should have gone back to EU and joined a powerhouse instead of wasting his career in NA; he probably he could have done way more in LEC). Now NA just doesn't offer anything fun to watch.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg At LEC least can give us occasional upsets against LCK and LPL and also some weird but entertaining picks. LCS suck in the same if not worse degree while not being able give its viewers any of the above. Entertainment wise, probably the most fun western region to watch.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg At least they made a few. LCS made none. The NRG one hardly counts because LEC as a whole sucked hard last year. Both LEC and LCS got beaten like dogs last year but at least LEC made a few bites back.
as I see it, the infamous Ibai tweet was faning the flames of the KOI vs. KC match, given Yamato's role. Coupled with Elyoya's tweet towards Nisqy, I think it should be taken as banter to spice things up, we should be enjoying the ride imo
30:30 we did this in the ERL's before, the pick ban was done in advance and the casters were basically live reacting to a mock draft set up by production...there would literally be times where we'd hover a famous one-trick for a player even though it never appeared in draft phase just to spice up the casters
On the talk about standing by your principles and Monte not bowing to riot, there's a quote that always strikes me. Delivered by none other than Keith Richards in Pirates of the Caribbean: "it's not just about living forever. The trick is living with yourself forever".
I am spanish, i was curious about the english content related the lec in comparison with spanish content, and there several thing that was surprising to me. I am not super fan of any team , if i fan of some of them it would fnc. Anyway. - The ibai vs Yamato, from spanish side it did not feel so bad or tense, it was salty but nothing more else, anyway. In spanish community, yamatto is seen as a joke as a coach. It's a meme. it's has been interesting this point has been a controversial topic imo. - It's surprising to me that if you dont see ERLS , me neither, so dont know the players, if a team of 4 rookies performs very well only dedicates 2 minutes to talk about it but ok. For example, to not mention spanish examples, for me jakies has been a surprise. Isma too. (at least from this one you have said something good). Its the first week, lets see how continues. (Probably someone will think i am are megafan mad lions or something, of that team i am fan of the coach xD more than the team itself) . thanks for reading if you have done it.
@@javiermagana6364 it's not my opinion, I mean, It's was is said in the community. Soz if I said it bad . (I dont have an strong opinion on that topic) about the first sentence, I dont know why you tell me that.
@@carlostapia8840 for me it's ibai the joke ... the men sell his brand to rogue ( he didnt had control of it ) and completly abandon his old team . rogue didnt work so he sell again his brand to mad lion ... and now act like he build somethink win somethink . the men never win any title, he just try to sell his ass to the winner team and win by proxy .
@@TelManothHexperax mmm sorry but in this topic i disagree. Maybe for me it's reasonable what he has done. - Ibai has a strong brand(the same that kameto has). He only wants to do content for the team and vote in some important decisions. In Rogue he had no so much vote, afaik. And he finished in bad terms with the team, remember he had to pay a lot of money because of Rogue company. He Will leave Rogue anyway. - So imagine that a team like Movistar (it's parte of telefónica company , if you dont know is one of the biggest company in Spain). This team is known for having the best infraestructure un SLO(this was said by all the players that has been there, coach,analists,resources), this team appears and propose to join. ibai does the content, Movistar put the rest.its a win/win situation from my perspective. And mad lion join in order to give the lec spot. ( What win mad lions? Movistar put so much money and manager the team). Resume, Ibai stays in "his team"(part of It), with a good infraestructure and with people he knows Will work well. He has a good relationship with Movistar CEO. So I understand what he has done.
The Conversation about Youth engagement is interesting. One of the things that would help is gaining media training, with the rise of social media and streaming as a back up parents could see it as a good investment for their children to learn. Running Youth club events is another way to teach the game to different generations of potential viewers.
Watch IWDominates analysis of the KC vs MDK, Upset Targ was losing lane and was even down a level when they should be stomping and winning lane. Alvaro and Supa actually did more than fine in lane. They should have lost so so so much harder. KC botlane playing like this means there's only BO with hands in this team.
Just wanted to comment on thooorins point on the draft timer -- there's been interviews regarding old c9(2014 era) where bc lemonnation would have the notebook, and they had all pick ban decided (this was before on stage coaches). So they would instalock picks immediately, and enemy team would feel stress about only having 30 seconds to pick. Nobody drafts this way anymore, I just wanted to mention that, in times past, having a "solved" draft was a contributor in c9 being able to punch up in international competition. Tldr; not always the best decision to wait until last second to pick. Projecting confidence is a thing that has some amount of influence on the game.
It was an inventive way of drafting at the time, and probably could have done C9 more good in seasons before 2017 if they kept it. (After that, I think having a "solved" draft is kind of obsolete now and would give your enemy too much room to counter your draft while you don't have much room for adapting to what the other team is trying to do in order to counter you) CLG also had some sort of inventiveness in 2016 in their teamplays which helped them upset powerhouses like ROX, G2, and FW. Somehow, not only were these "inventiveness" never appreciated in LCS, but they were constantly reduced less and less throughout every split because every NA teams and their coaches just want to mimic the Korean macro (or LPL aggression), which essentially removed everything that used to be unique about their good teams and left themselves a bunch of half-witted copy cats.
Monte, since you like 4X games, have you played the dominions series? It's an amazing tiny indie 4X fantasy game where each faction is ruled by a powerful being vying to ascend to godhood. Very deep and fun game with a huge amount of gameplay variety.
monte is 1000% right at 2:09:00 about baked beans, we Americans even psychologically cannot comprehend how baked beans can be used the way the english do hahah but i dislike baked beans,. ramen, and black pudding so im prob just a hater, though i did make a beef wellington the other day and loved it.
On another note Montecristo, Imagine if NA tier 2 was just Brazil, Latin America, and OCE plus the T2 American teams. I actually think they are missing out on a huge opportunity to have a T2 league even bigger than in Europe if they did that. The only thing you could say would be that LAT would not have world spots in that case.
Taking neither side here as a aussie bystander but Caedral put a tweet praising both fanbases then yamato took shot at hes org so he replied with salt so more yamato involved himself in drama then he responded fair is fair.
Never heard of no baked beans for breakfast. I throughout the whole, certain foods for certain times of day, out the window ages ago. I just eat whatever sounds good at the time lol. However still gotta go with ramen over the toast.
A few people are noticing that Saken is a coaster. He doesn't teamfight perfectly as he got hit by the CC from Sejuani. His hero has a dash to dodge the Sej ult at the right range, or he can let Cabo and Bo frontline the Sej ult. He doesn't understand when to engage with dash into shuffle. He lets Upset 1v1 the Akali in the toplane fight and the baron fight. Both could've been Upset saying that he had the fight down, which he did in the baron fight and almost won the 1v1 in the toplane fight. I think the 3 players carried over from the LFL team are underwhelming. I'm not gonna give my order of whose playing the best and worst.
Edit: What I didn't mention, is that I could be wrong, but I believe my perception that his teamfighting is mediocre where he got caught like Haeri's Azir . His good highlights are few and his bad highlights are few, which is similar to someone who does nothing to avoid getting benched to the 2nd league. I think Cabochard and Saken both played sketchily, and Targamas had a poor showing in the 3rd match. I haven't spent enough time to judge who is playing the 3rd best on the team, so I won't conclude that "I think Targamas had only one poor match and is salvageable." I think it's okay for me to make an accusational claim, and be wrong, or be right. I want to make this claim. (I was critical where Saken got hit by the Sej ult, as it only happened once, but it was literally a mistake from a recently ERL player. He looked like a rookie with mid fundamentals, kind of like a rookie even though he was in LEC. I guess my broader point is that he isn't playing like a perfect positioning player like Chovy. Despite looking "consistent", Saken's fundamentals don't look as clean as what is presented. If I look at the prior games, he did have meh (or very few) highlights but definitely poor moments, yet maybe his presentation of himself or the LEC's presentation is giving him a cleaner image than how he is actually performing.) My conclusion is that LEC presentation is giving him HUGE benefit of the doubt, and I have a high suspicion that he is playing overly safe so that it looks like he has no mistakes. Him and Cabo are both playing equally consistently poorly.
i understand you dont get it, i,m spanish and the amount of shit coming toward mad koi and ibai since the merge has been insane, apart from that, the Spanish and french always go after each other, in many occasions they go to far in my opinion,but this is in everything not just in sports, so this was not just a LEC game this was a full on Spain vs France thing. is like a USA vs Russia , doesnt matter the sport there is always the massive rivalry behind it bigger than whatever the sport they are playing. i hope this help you understand the whole situation better
Well Thorin, if we are gonna be very specific, William the Conqueror originates from Scandinavia and the country of France itself is named after the Frankish tribes that originate from the areas that are now The Netherlands and Belgium. So being super technical did France really take England? They don't really even win on that front.
Live patch is the best thing this season, feel like i have been hearing pro players in NA use the fact they are playing patches behind as excuse forever. Now they even have inhouse for better pings så maybe 2024 is the year they figure out they have to take countability in the time they put in compared to lck/lpl
I have to say, I’m sad that TBDLS. doesn’t have my favorite duo of discussants anymore. The last episode was fire but nothing hits as hard as my two favorite haters. Someone has to tell Dom that he has, for the good of the people, to return. Stream one fewer LPL game for the people! (Good job as always, mates. Loving the content!)
To be fair, I think that if you don't speak french and/or spanish and know a bit of the online cultural banter between both countries you just miss a lot of contex. Both are massive audiences and Ibai and Kameto bring a lot of people worldwide and know that they are getting flamed and flaming almost at equal parts and are ok with it.
So for me as a german im just happy that we have tolkin as national costreamer whos beloved but for a lot of the german community its hard to hype them and the country up cause it seems so wrong with our history but we love SK and the most underrated Player of LEC our Top King der offensichtlich bessere Toplaner
tip for mash potatoes: learn how to season properly, mash potatoes need a fuck ton more salt then you think (it is also why if you over season a stew or soup just stick a whole potato in and it will absorb the salt then just take it out)
LCS should just allow secondary leagues/streamer made teams to participate/qualify to a tournament like the Lcs Lock-in from 2022. The LCS has literally nothing to lose and everything to gain. Stream team either wins with NA talent and LCS teams poach them or they lose and you suck in viewership like a vampire.
This guys need to understand that football exists for over 100 years, sports need to evolve first with times, eSports is new compared to it, with time we will have "songs" also give them time
When Thorin leaned into the camera and addressed "the same Rigby who left Evil Geniuses at the end of 2022?" I felt a shiver down my spine. Now that's how you make a point. Also that song was fantastic 😂
I was surprise they allow Koi to jump to another team. It feel so odd, but i guess Riot treat Ibai as a sponsor deal(???). So he really doesn't own anything. He just like those deal with "Shopify", "Honda" and one of those deals that changes the name of team. Just a sponsor slot that is there next to the name of the team for a highest price
Karmine Corp looking ok or "good" but losing means nothing really... Vit last summer should have won a bunch of games in the first 2 weeks.. but mental boomed after dropping easy games (BDS/Heretics) So i doubt Upset/BO are in a good place.. and the rest of the team are just not great.. the solo laners are arguably bottom 2 in the league currently A bad week of scrims now.. they could be already done going into week 2 Put it this way i am 70/30 that they just boom out I really hope not because Upset/BO are 2 of the most talented in the league.. AND i like the hype KC have brought.. would love to see KC/MAD b03
Just had to comment about how wrong thoorin is about the beans thing. Of course everyone knows about the sweet heinz beans in the can. That is all over America we just don’t put it on toast lmao. Refried is a American tex/mex and Mexican thing. What is he even on about. I love him though😂
How to fix the LCS (legacy european perspective) Invest heavily in your collegiate scene. Make state divide as big as possible and have running stable servers for all states to use Put clips and content from the collegiate scene on your main lcs broadcast The winner of UCS (or whatever you call it) gets to host LCS playoff weekend the following split so local fans and players can attend. Then let the UCS winner play on that stage in a warm up game for the show. All that builds hype for college and high schoolers locally for the game which is #1. Then let that trickle into LCS by having franchised teams have a state base of operations. Sure they’re all based in California but if Flyquest had an association with MIT or something then they could cultivate an east coast fanbase. Stuff like this helps build loyal fanbase for teams rather than just players.
Bo needs a mid laner that is willing to be the dog in the pairing. Hence why Nisqy keeps getting mentioned in relation to a mid laner pairing for Bo. He has all the qualities to compliment Bo. Bo is clearly a carry jungler and having a facilitator style of mid laner is exactly what he needs.
Honestly no point in watching LCS, if you watch any Korean or Chinese games you can just see the difference in skill is massive which in turns makes for better games overall.
based on what lol? his stellar international performances the past few years? LEC? he got gapped last year by BB and others.. and just this week he was 50 CS down to Wunder with little to no interaction from anyone else on the map.. and sure Brokenblade is a problem but to act like Odo is a solution (he'd be worse) is delusional
2:21:00 watch the recent david goggins interview, it is just do it and focus on the now and not the big stuff. Humiliating as it is you must face the little stuff you didnt touch for years.
After hearing the idea from Monte regarding the LCS. I want the Atlantic Super League. Combine all 10 LEC teams, with the 8 LCS teams. We get 9 matches a week. Each team plays one and its genuinely just a 34 week (or 30 week season including superweeks) And we get a midseason tournament that is seeded by standings after the first 10 games for MSI. The top four 6 go to worlds, and 7 and 8 go to a playoff with other wildcard regioins. You're conjoining successful american sports models, with the EPL sport model. Could be successful
@@jacob2808 lcs viewership declined again from last szn, tell me more they dont need to try something serious to change shit up, and ill sit here and tell you that you're wrong
I don’t think it’s delusional to watch LCS and still hope for international success assuming you fully understand international success for the LCS is making it to quarters.
Im a LCS unicorn i suppose. Been around since the beginning. Im a huge C9 fan. Most of the rest of the league kinda sucks. I was a huge fan of Dash. I really enjoy LCS casters over other regions casters. But our storylines and orgs kinda suck. I actually think TL is 1 of our worst orgs. Imo, they got really lucky getting DL and Impact and CoreJJ, just happened to have the money. But year after year TL is the place where talent goes to die. They either get a rookie and they do alright than pick up a bad rep or bad habits and thats the end of their career. Or they get some boomer veteran who ends up playing worse. The rare exception being Jensen, CoreJJ, Doublelift, and Impact, but if argue that if you put them on a org that actually is good at fostering talent, their careers would be even more insane. Idk, the rest of the league just seems like they are there to coast? Idk... Giving people a reason to support their teams would be massive. Maybe actually building storylines would be cool. Id love to see a east vs west thing. I think the emphasis on fan engagement is actually the most important thing. I can say the past 6 years ive felt the LCS players and broadcast team (except a few like Kobe), generally hated the fan base with a passion. Like, i get some fans can be toxic, but it felt like they hated all the fans as a result, and kinda treated us like pieces of shit for it.
Lcs should have adopted a more WWE style of production from the beginning. Look at Smash bros scene and how much investment is in that. Their obsession with trying to make it like real sports is what killed the league.
As a spanish speaker, and a relative neutral guy on this situation, ibai banter was really trash. He really came up as a cry baby on a situation that, as you guys said, would have been very entertaining for the rest of the season.
Ye sure Upset and BO were great. Lets pretend that Upset didnt die on sideline xD or arive late to every teamfight. Lets pretend that Bo didnt trade all obj and tempo on map to be 1 lvl ahead over elyoya to look good xD.
The jealousy of Thorin towards Travis is actually kinda crazy. Dude could make a video saving babies and Thorin would find a way to shit on it. Hard to talk about topics when dudes spending it all toned to just shit on him
thorin glitching out while shouting at the cloud made it 10x funnier + monte not being able to tell him because thorin doesn't even take a breath during his rants
Thorin glitching out during the rant was excellent. 5:42
I didn't understand a word he was saying yet I was nodding my head in agreement.
The frame before he comes back has me crying 😭
it is so ironic that rant was about production
It was perfection - almost felt staged, lmao!
He's so mad discord had to hold him back.
I may be the outlier here but I've been watching lcs since the start and have been a C9 fan since their inaugural season. I love the lcs, I would rather them merge with South America than lec.
As a south american, there won't be much value of merging with us. At best, LCS gets like 2 or 3 ok players, but there's not much else we can offer. We have a couple of "big" orgs, but they aren't even big in terms of fan size or viewers they would attract
You are an outlier.
I've been a fan since the lemonation hai days. So not the start but a while.. Still loving the LCS a decade later
I stopped watching as much, but I still enjoy the scene. Last year was actually a highlight for rosters. This year I'm hyped for C9, and will continue to support TL as always.
That time when LEC chanted "This is a library" was when I started appreciating the crowd
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old school fan here, I only watch LCS because I live in North America, and I'm a historic C9 fan. But the last 2 years have been getting harder to watch and I've started to watch eastern regions far more. LEC is my favourite region to watch overall. Love the new format.
I only watched LCS because a couple of entertaining players or teams from earlier season. For me the best time for LCS was (and would always be) 2016. CLG won spring went all the way to MSI final with their unique team plays and occasional surprise picks. Immortals was also entertaining to watch because of the Huni-Reignover synergy. TSM with Bjerg and DL was also performing at their peak, same for C9 with Jessen and Impact. It really looked like the most hopeful year for NA.
Overtime all of those players were either gone or became too trash to watch (or both) (especially Bjerg of all people. The dude should have gone back to EU and joined a powerhouse instead of wasting his career in NA; he probably he could have done way more in LEC). Now NA just doesn't offer anything fun to watch.
Why would you waste time on the LEC. They are now the worst major region. It's a waste of time.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg At LEC least can give us occasional upsets against LCK and LPL and also some weird but entertaining picks. LCS suck in the same if not worse degree while not being able give its viewers any of the above. Entertainment wise, probably the most fun western region to watch.
@@laisensei6984 Cool upsets. That sure helped them get out of swiss right?
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg At least they made a few. LCS made none. The NRG one hardly counts because LEC as a whole sucked hard last year. Both LEC and LCS got beaten like dogs last year but at least LEC made a few bites back.
as I see it, the infamous Ibai tweet was faning the flames of the KOI vs. KC match, given Yamato's role. Coupled with Elyoya's tweet towards Nisqy, I think it should be taken as banter to spice things up, we should be enjoying the ride imo
30:30 we did this in the ERL's before, the pick ban was done in advance and the casters were basically live reacting to a mock draft set up by production...there would literally be times where we'd hover a famous one-trick for a player even though it never appeared in draft phase just to spice up the casters
Thorin looks a lot happier and is laughing more, happy for you lad
"Russian roulette with 5 bullets" is actually straight fire. Had me dying.
Larsen 11cs had me cracking Skip lmao
I was dying, watched it like 8 times 😂
Thorin glitch rant AND Thorin flame in song form? BANGER episode
On the talk about standing by your principles and Monte not bowing to riot, there's a quote that always strikes me. Delivered by none other than Keith Richards in Pirates of the Caribbean: "it's not just about living forever. The trick is living with yourself forever".
I am spanish, i was curious about the english content related the lec in comparison with spanish content, and there several thing that was surprising to me. I am not super fan of any team , if i fan of some of them it would fnc. Anyway.
- The ibai vs Yamato, from spanish side it did not feel so bad or tense, it was salty but nothing more else, anyway. In spanish community, yamatto is seen as a joke as a coach. It's a meme. it's has been interesting this point has been a controversial topic imo.
- It's surprising to me that if you dont see ERLS , me neither, so dont know the players, if a team of 4 rookies performs very well only dedicates 2 minutes to talk about it but ok. For example, to not mention spanish examples, for me jakies has been a surprise. Isma too. (at least from this one you have said something good).
Its the first week, lets see how continues. (Probably someone will think i am are megafan mad lions or something, of that team i am fan of the coach xD more than the team itself) . thanks for reading if you have done it.
Good thing Spain isn't the world. Yamato is not a joke and a legit coach. He will prove you wrong.
@@javiermagana6364 it's not my opinion, I mean, It's was is said in the community.
Soz if I said it bad . (I dont have an strong opinion on that topic) about the first sentence, I dont know why you tell me that.
@@carlostapia8840 for me it's ibai the joke ...
the men sell his brand to rogue ( he didnt had control of it ) and completly abandon his old team .
rogue didnt work so he sell again his brand to mad lion ... and now act like he build somethink win somethink .
the men never win any title, he just try to sell his ass to the winner team and win by proxy .
@@TelManothHexperax mmm sorry but in this topic i disagree. Maybe for me it's reasonable what he has done.
- Ibai has a strong brand(the same that kameto has). He only wants to do content for the team and vote in some important decisions. In Rogue he had no so much vote, afaik. And he finished in bad terms with the team, remember he had to pay a lot of money because of Rogue company. He Will leave Rogue anyway.
- So imagine that a team like Movistar (it's parte of telefónica company , if you dont know is one of the biggest company in Spain). This team is known for having the best infraestructure un SLO(this was said by all the players that has been there, coach,analists,resources), this team appears and propose to join. ibai does the content, Movistar put the rest.its a win/win situation from my perspective. And mad lion join in order to give the lec spot. ( What win mad lions? Movistar put so much money and manager the team).
Resume, Ibai stays in "his team"(part of It), with a good infraestructure and with people he knows Will work well. He has a good relationship with Movistar CEO.
So I understand what he has done.
Yamato and vitality is criminal I guess
The irony of the sound glitch during the segment where they’re bitching about the LEC sound balance is chef’s kiss
The Conversation about Youth engagement is interesting. One of the things that would help is gaining media training, with the rise of social media and streaming as a back up parents could see it as a good investment for their children to learn. Running Youth club events is another way to teach the game to different generations of potential viewers.
The "Fuckin' hell" look on Thorin's face as Monte explains baked beans in America is peak content. Esports or otherwise
The fact tha Thorin didnt know about Total War Warhammer and Troy is hilarious to me. His responses to Monte were perfect on the subject too.
i really hope the fans see this and start get more creative with their chants
dat Factor Thorin rant is pure fire. made my day. thank you!
38:30 Yes, thank God for Doms costreams man. Sneaky and Meteos help keep LCS interesting for me, as well.
Thorin singing to flame Rigby was peak context
looking for full version of thorins rigby
Thorin's Beatles cover was so fing entertaining . I cant stop laughing
A glitching rant about production problems 😂
Watch IWDominates analysis of the KC vs MDK, Upset Targ was losing lane and was even down a level when they should be stomping and winning lane. Alvaro and Supa actually did more than fine in lane. They should have lost so so so much harder. KC botlane playing like this means there's only BO with hands in this team.
Just wanted to comment on thooorins point on the draft timer -- there's been interviews regarding old c9(2014 era) where bc lemonnation would have the notebook, and they had all pick ban decided (this was before on stage coaches). So they would instalock picks immediately, and enemy team would feel stress about only having 30 seconds to pick.
Nobody drafts this way anymore, I just wanted to mention that, in times past, having a "solved" draft was a contributor in c9 being able to punch up in international competition.
Tldr; not always the best decision to wait until last second to pick. Projecting confidence is a thing that has some amount of influence on the game.
It was an inventive way of drafting at the time, and probably could have done C9 more good in seasons before 2017 if they kept it. (After that, I think having a "solved" draft is kind of obsolete now and would give your enemy too much room to counter your draft while you don't have much room for adapting to what the other team is trying to do in order to counter you)
CLG also had some sort of inventiveness in 2016 in their teamplays which helped them upset powerhouses like ROX, G2, and FW. Somehow, not only were these "inventiveness" never appreciated in LCS, but they were constantly reduced less and less throughout every split because every NA teams and their coaches just want to mimic the Korean macro (or LPL aggression), which essentially removed everything that used to be unique about their good teams and left themselves a bunch of half-witted copy cats.
Monte, since you like 4X games, have you played the dominions series? It's an amazing tiny indie 4X fantasy game where each faction is ruled by a powerful being vying to ascend to godhood. Very deep and fun game with a huge amount of gameplay variety.
monte is 1000% right at 2:09:00 about baked beans, we Americans even psychologically cannot comprehend how baked beans can be used the way the english do hahah but i dislike baked beans,. ramen, and black pudding so im prob just a hater, though i did make a beef wellington the other day and loved it.
On another note Montecristo, Imagine if NA tier 2 was just Brazil, Latin America, and OCE plus the T2 American teams. I actually think they are missing out on a huge opportunity to have a T2 league even bigger than in Europe if they did that. The only thing you could say would be that LAT would not have world spots in that case.
The warriors reference, In the factor add. Thorin is the GOAT.
Taking neither side here as a aussie bystander but Caedral put a tweet praising both fanbases then yamato took shot at hes org so he replied with salt so more yamato involved himself in drama then he responded fair is fair.
Never heard of no baked beans for breakfast. I throughout the whole, certain foods for certain times of day, out the window ages ago. I just eat whatever sounds good at the time lol. However still gotta go with ramen over the toast.
A few people are noticing that Saken is a coaster. He doesn't teamfight perfectly as he got hit by the CC from Sejuani. His hero has a dash to dodge the Sej ult at the right range, or he can let Cabo and Bo frontline the Sej ult. He doesn't understand when to engage with dash into shuffle.
He lets Upset 1v1 the Akali in the toplane fight and the baron fight. Both could've been Upset saying that he had the fight down, which he did in the baron fight and almost won the 1v1 in the toplane fight.
I think the 3 players carried over from the LFL team are underwhelming. I'm not gonna give my order of whose playing the best and worst.
Edit: What I didn't mention, is that I could be wrong, but I believe my perception that his teamfighting is mediocre where he got caught like Haeri's Azir . His good highlights are few and his bad highlights are few, which is similar to someone who does nothing to avoid getting benched to the 2nd league.
I think Cabochard and Saken both played sketchily, and Targamas had a poor showing in the 3rd match. I haven't spent enough time to judge who is playing the 3rd best on the team, so I won't conclude that "I think Targamas had only one poor match and is salvageable."
I think it's okay for me to make an accusational claim, and be wrong, or be right. I want to make this claim.
(I was critical where Saken got hit by the Sej ult, as it only happened once, but it was literally a mistake from a recently ERL player. He looked like a rookie with mid fundamentals, kind of like a rookie even though he was in LEC. I guess my broader point is that he isn't playing like a perfect positioning player like Chovy. Despite looking "consistent", Saken's fundamentals don't look as clean as what is presented. If I look at the prior games, he did have meh (or very few) highlights but definitely poor moments, yet maybe his presentation of himself or the LEC's presentation is giving him a cleaner image than how he is actually performing.) My conclusion is that LEC presentation is giving him HUGE benefit of the doubt, and I have a high suspicion that he is playing overly safe so that it looks like he has no mistakes. Him and Cabo are both playing equally consistently poorly.
LastFreeNation Gaming Channel coming soon?
Would love to see a series where Monte and Thorin play Total War Saga: Troy 1v1
I cant even select a European Address in Factor :( Would really like to try it but you can only select states in the US
i understand you dont get it, i,m spanish and the amount of shit coming toward mad koi and ibai since the merge has been insane, apart from that, the Spanish and french always go after each other, in many occasions they go to far in my opinion,but this is in everything not just in sports, so this was not just a LEC game this was a full on Spain vs France thing. is like a USA vs Russia , doesnt matter the sport there is always the massive rivalry behind it bigger than whatever the sport they are playing.
i hope this help you understand the whole situation better
I hope that the lcs is half as entertaining as the lec was.
the LCS would be so lucky
The problem is I dont know who to get hyped about. The only team I like is C9 and the only player I like is Jojo
LEC went with a new direction now - the clown show. Don't blame them after being the 4th best major region.
@@Gurpreet-sv5zg 🤓
@@GuyPearce217 Aren't you that dog that said g2 is a top 4 team of all time? Lmao mayo 🤣
Haha I love that you guys play total war! I play MP at a pretty high level, you guys should check out the MP scene, it's great!
Well Thorin, if we are gonna be very specific, William the Conqueror originates from Scandinavia and the country of France itself is named after the Frankish tribes that originate from the areas that are now The Netherlands and Belgium. So being super technical did France really take England? They don't really even win on that front.
Live patch is the best thing this season, feel like i have been hearing pro players in NA use the fact they are playing patches behind as excuse forever. Now they even have inhouse for better pings så maybe 2024 is the year they figure out they have to take countability in the time they put in compared to lck/lpl
is dom still on the podcast? haven't really tuned in for a while
He's just an occasional guest on Summoning Insight. He'll be back to doing Power Spike when the show starts up again next week.
@@lastfreenation ah cool, thanks for the info!
I have to say, I’m sad that TBDLS. doesn’t have my favorite duo of discussants anymore. The last episode was fire but nothing hits as hard as my two favorite haters. Someone has to tell Dom that he has, for the good of the people, to return. Stream one fewer LPL game for the people! (Good job as always, mates. Loving the content!)
I was on the fence about factor but after that ad read ... you sold me. Ordering it now
Can the LCS be saved? Not unless riot does major changes.
To be fair, I think that if you don't speak french and/or spanish and know a bit of the online cultural banter between both countries you just miss a lot of contex. Both are massive audiences and Ibai and Kameto bring a lot of people worldwide and know that they are getting flamed and flaming almost at equal parts and are ok with it.
So for me as a german im just happy that we have tolkin as national costreamer whos beloved but for a lot of the german community its hard to hype them and the country up cause it seems so wrong with our history but we love SK and the most underrated Player of LEC our Top King der offensichtlich bessere Toplaner
some would say Koi is the spanish flu of our time
thoorins eleanor rigby 😂😂😂
As far as all the new changes who else saw Caps ride Shelly from bot into mid and have it die right away
Thorin's Shakespearean ad read for Factor went fuckin hard
tip for mash potatoes: learn how to season properly, mash potatoes need a fuck ton more salt then you think (it is also why if you over season a stew or soup just stick a whole potato in and it will absorb the salt then just take it out)
LCS should just allow secondary leagues/streamer made teams to participate/qualify to a tournament like the Lcs Lock-in from 2022.
The LCS has literally nothing to lose and everything to gain. Stream team either wins with NA talent and LCS teams poach them or they lose and you suck in viewership like a vampire.
I'm pretty sure the blood is going to be one of the more harmless ingredients in most sausages^^
Renfield will only serve The Master.
If you think you are watching this video on 720p just look at Monte and you will realize how bad Thorin camera is.
This guys need to understand that football exists for over 100 years, sports need to evolve first with times, eSports is new compared to it, with time we will have "songs" also give them time
When Thorin leaned into the camera and addressed "the same Rigby who left Evil Geniuses at the end of 2022?" I felt a shiver down my spine.
Now that's how you make a point.
Also that song was fantastic 😂
I was surprise they allow Koi to jump to another team. It feel so odd, but i guess Riot treat Ibai as a sponsor deal(???). So he really doesn't own anything. He just like those deal with "Shopify", "Honda" and one of those deals that changes the name of team. Just a sponsor slot that is there next to the name of the team for a highest price
19:02 :D
'couldn't tell if I was watching The Northman or the LEC' lmao
Karmine Corp looking ok or "good" but losing means nothing really... Vit last summer should have won a bunch of games in the first 2 weeks.. but mental boomed after dropping easy games (BDS/Heretics)
So i doubt Upset/BO are in a good place.. and the rest of the team are just not great.. the solo laners are arguably bottom 2 in the league currently
A bad week of scrims now.. they could be already done going into week 2
Put it this way i am 70/30 that they just boom out
I really hope not because Upset/BO are 2 of the most talented in the league.. AND i like the hype KC have brought.. would love to see KC/MAD b03
I'm a young person in NA who cares are league of legends Monte
Have you tried mount and blade bannerlord 2?
Just had to comment about how wrong thoorin is about the beans thing. Of course everyone knows about the sweet heinz beans in the can. That is all over America we just don’t put it on toast lmao. Refried is a American tex/mex and Mexican thing. What is he even on about. I love him though😂
Ad read of the year
Eleanor Rigby was a classic
How to fix the LCS (legacy european perspective)
Invest heavily in your collegiate scene. Make state divide as big as possible and have running stable servers for all states to use
Put clips and content from the collegiate scene on your main lcs broadcast
The winner of UCS (or whatever you call it) gets to host LCS playoff weekend the following split so local fans and players can attend. Then let the UCS winner play on that stage in a warm up game for the show.
All that builds hype for college and high schoolers locally for the game which is #1.
Then let that trickle into LCS by having franchised teams have a state base of operations. Sure they’re all based in California but if Flyquest had an association with MIT or something then they could cultivate an east coast fanbase. Stuff like this helps build loyal fanbase for teams rather than just players.
Nvm sent this early on. Monte’s idea is better
Blood sausage with ketchup is amazing.
Franchising killed the LCS, it's very simple
The leave Britney alone guy was right all along
2:11:00 long confidence dad talk
Duncan ‘Glados’ Shields
If Perks can't make it work with Bo, then likely no one can. I doubt Bo will ever make a team better at LEC level.
Bo needs a mid laner that is willing to be the dog in the pairing. Hence why Nisqy keeps getting mentioned in relation to a mid laner pairing for Bo. He has all the qualities to compliment Bo. Bo is clearly a carry jungler and having a facilitator style of mid laner is exactly what he needs.
The inherent problem is that a player who wanted to carry tried to play jungle. @@boredindividual
Fun fact, Richard the Lionheart probably could not speak English. In his entire life he had spent only about 6 months north of the channel.
Honestly no point in watching LCS, if you watch any Korean or Chinese games you can just see the difference in skill is massive which in turns makes for better games overall.
Saken having a job this split is strictly from nepotism
G2 Odoamne would be such a huge upgrade for both
based on what lol? his stellar international performances the past few years? LEC? he got gapped last year by BB and others.. and just this week he was 50 CS down to Wunder with little to no interaction from anyone else on the map.. and sure Brokenblade is a problem but to act like Odo is a solution (he'd be worse) is delusional
I feel like bb is the copy to Alphari but his shot calling and his potential seems good now
2:21:00 watch the recent david goggins interview, it is just do it and focus on the now and not the big stuff.
Humiliating as it is you must face the little stuff you didnt touch for years.
After hearing the idea from Monte regarding the LCS. I want the Atlantic Super League. Combine all 10 LEC teams, with the 8 LCS teams. We get 9 matches a week. Each team plays one and its genuinely just a 34 week (or 30 week season including superweeks)
And we get a midseason tournament that is seeded by standings after the first 10 games for MSI. The top four 6 go to worlds, and 7 and 8 go to a playoff with other wildcard regioins.
You're conjoining successful american sports models, with the EPL sport model. Could be successful
That would be horrendous, far far far too many Bo1's
@@jacob2808 yerah but the west is doomed, get rid of all copium takes and just pander to what would be exciting for viewers
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@@jacob2808 lcs viewership declined again from last szn, tell me more they dont need to try something serious to change shit up, and ill sit here and tell you that you're wrong
@xDyNaMiiKzZv lec viewership is up big time, we dont need to combine with lcs. You sre wrong
Factor Cuzz you can't be Rekkles when it comes to your food
I don’t think it’s delusional to watch LCS and still hope for international success assuming you fully understand international success for the LCS is making it to quarters.
Im a LCS unicorn i suppose. Been around since the beginning. Im a huge C9 fan. Most of the rest of the league kinda sucks. I was a huge fan of Dash. I really enjoy LCS casters over other regions casters. But our storylines and orgs kinda suck.
I actually think TL is 1 of our worst orgs. Imo, they got really lucky getting DL and Impact and CoreJJ, just happened to have the money. But year after year TL is the place where talent goes to die. They either get a rookie and they do alright than pick up a bad rep or bad habits and thats the end of their career. Or they get some boomer veteran who ends up playing worse. The rare exception being Jensen, CoreJJ, Doublelift, and Impact, but if argue that if you put them on a org that actually is good at fostering talent, their careers would be even more insane.
Idk, the rest of the league just seems like they are there to coast? Idk...
Giving people a reason to support their teams would be massive. Maybe actually building storylines would be cool. Id love to see a east vs west thing. I think the emphasis on fan engagement is actually the most important thing. I can say the past 6 years ive felt the LCS players and broadcast team (except a few like Kobe), generally hated the fan base with a passion. Like, i get some fans can be toxic, but it felt like they hated all the fans as a result, and kinda treated us like pieces of shit for it.
I want to watch a "how PlayVs killed north American league of legends" documentary
Atilla> upset bc he’s the only good vitality player and doesn’t play kda 🥺
Lcs should have adopted a more WWE style of production from the beginning. Look at Smash bros scene and how much investment is in that.
Their obsession with trying to make it like real sports is what killed the league.
What’s homeboys beef with Travis lol i always hear this man talking smack about him but never the other way around just a one way hate train lol
They made a great episode on the 4 horsemen about it
As a spanish speaker, and a relative neutral guy on this situation, ibai banter was really trash. He really came up as a cry baby on a situation that, as you guys said, would have been very entertaining for the rest of the season.
Mad Lions Koi will win mininum one slpit. And Myrwn and Alvaro top 2 in his posistion
I’m curious if this LEC drama is just pretend banter for the sake of publicity
Ibai os hace un favor atontaos, el partido más visto en años y no sabéis darle el valor que tiene.😂
Thorin gotta play some WH3, AFTER CA stops being dogshit
We want to jest the crowd no f... Boeing casters we want crowd
If your life is going wrong just remember. You ain't a fan of Rogue and everything will be bright and happy and full of enjoyment and excitement.
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LS’s takes are funny? When?
Oii
my problem is watching the stream is i cant listen to this bullshit these casters are sprouting.
like we are morons
Ye sure Upset and BO were great. Lets pretend that Upset didnt die on sideline xD or arive late to every teamfight. Lets pretend that Bo didnt trade all obj and tempo on map to be 1 lvl ahead over elyoya to look good xD.
Tbh Upset missplayed a bit on that sidelane play, but Saken kinda left him to 1v1 a fed Akali.
Bro, they made mistakes as both Thorin and Monte said in the show. But they didnt int on cooldown like Cabo and Targa.
@@patiuskas0071 Saken left cuz of Upset call to leave the kill to him xD.
@@arturukaszek9352Oh where did you see that ? (Just asking)
LEC is sloppy in general. Watch LCS for professional gaming
The jealousy of Thorin towards Travis is actually kinda crazy. Dude could make a video saving babies and Thorin would find a way to shit on it. Hard to talk about topics when dudes spending it all toned to just shit on him
Before watching the video: they unequivocally support Yamato and say KC is still potentially a top team.