Last time you mentioned the Horizont we discussed lubrication. I have found that lubricating the top and bottom bearings pretty well solves banding problems. You are right it does involve some work to remove the top and bottom but it is worth it. You seem to have solved the problems with yours. I think you have finally persuaded me to get a Spinner as well.
This Spinner is so crazy! I'm already thinking about all kinds of insane photo ideas ... like inside a car, while riding a bicycle, in a library etc ... my creative juices are flowing, exactly the reason to buy more cameras :-)
Fun options! A couple years ago I rolled some 35mm into a 120 backing paper and put it into my Moskva 4. You've inspired me to do that more often. The spooling process is so simple in concept, yet I found it rather difficult to accomplish in pitch dark. Maybe next time I'll use ortho film so I can leave the red light on. It's worth the effort! Thanks for showing all the other options to make panoramas. They need not be complicated or expensive. Plus, results are uncommon because most people don't have the patience to mess with it.
Thanks thanks!!! Just spend a weekend with our friends who came from NZ. They spend a month there driving up and down with a rented green RV. Looked awesome. I must get to NZ sometime!!!!
@@ShootOnFilm Absolutely! Seeing NZ in an RV is the only way to go.You can get to isolated locations where there is no accommodation. We use ours mainly in the winter - less people with better light and mist. Just before or after rain for me is the best time. Scandinavia including Finland seems amazingly exotic to us.The other side of the fence etc.
Another great vid! I can highly recommend the Rolleiflex pano head (later model) with the quick release plate for your Rollei. The unstitched 6x6 negatives look excellent side by side.
I actually made almost the same video a long time ago but had totally forgotten it. It even has the same song as the background music!! I'm making these videos without any planning, so these things happens. Here is more: ruclips.net/video/H5kudwPzhv8/видео.htmlsi=e9RrOyC652_9LpuQ&t=480
I miss my square format 503 dearly but, as you point out, I find myself cropping down to achieve the same look. Still somehow not as gratifying. You are totally correct about limiting choices at the shoot. It's an extension of the oft-repeated answer to the question "Which camera is the best for this situation?" - - with the answer being "The one you brought!" Had to wonder about the shoe on the top of the Lomo Spinner. Lomo Spinner flash photography may be a niche unto itself???? As a print, panorama for me just never worked. As a scan - it can be wonderful. Thank you for giving my old brain something worthwhile to contemplate again this week, Ari!
So cool! Might have to order a set of adaptors and try 35mm in my Mamiya645 and my Holga. Lovely shots, Ari. I really love your boat shots and street photos. You are an inspiration, for sure.
I love shooting panos. Most of the time I stitch them together from single shots (2 or 3) but I also have a Lomo Belair which can shoot 6x12 images and a Horizon I once stitched 2 panos made with Horizon so a double double ;-)
I have a 42 inch 4K monitor. This is very valuable for looking at panorama pictures. For my part, I think the best dimensional ratio for photographs is the golden ratio (1.618:1 approximately) like the Parthenon. Somehow, it does seem more beautiful to me. I also do like the square 1:1 ratio and the inverse golden ratio of 0.618:1 but in the end, the right ratio is what is best so I often do oddball crops that are hard to frame. I took a panorama of a herd of buffalo in a field that was so long it would look absurd printed unless you ran it down a long hallway.
@@ShootOnFilm I often get a completely different idea of a photo when I view it full size. When you see the full details it can be much more appreciated.
There's a modified Hasselblad film called the P27 (panoramic format - 27 exposures). I think if you research it you can find the person that does the modification to those. It's just a regular A-12 back that's modified. I've seen some of the photos from those modified back and it's kind of cool imho.
I'm kind of surprised people are not finding a way to change the plastic lens out of the Holga Pano body to make a lightweight Pano camera with maybe reasonably inexpensive glass lenses.
Oh very cool! You showed on Amazon the adapters for 35mm film to 120, and you said get backing paper, but do you just search backing paper on amazon? My other question is you take the pictures from 135 film on your 120 camera, but do you then rewind the 135 film back into the canister? Did you have a video where you did or explained this process of wrapping the film in backing paper? This is very interesting and would like to know more about this! Super cool video and normally it leaves me happy and inspired, I am inspired and slightly happy because this time it raised more questions than answers for me! Haha now I have to calm my mind to get to sleep!
Sorry I didn't go any deeper with this ... let me try to answer: -you cannot buy backing paper. It's leftover for your medium format film roll if you develop them at home. You can also ask the local development lab if they have any leftovers. -no, you don't rewind. Medium-format cameras do not let you rewind. Instead, you take the film roll out without rewinding as the film is now protected by the backing paper around it. The most difficult part is the spooling in the dark. You need to take it easy and slow :-) I actually made almost the same video a long time ago but had totally forgotten it. It even has the same song as the background music!! Is Alzheimer's kicking in already? ;-) I'm making these videos without any planning, so these things happens. Here is more: ruclips.net/video/H5kudwPzhv8/видео.htmlsi=e9RrOyC652_9LpuQ&t=480
Great fun! What are your thoughts on negative space in panos? I don't do much of them but it seems that with the right subject you could turn a duet into two solos sung into a divide. Moody again, maybe a bit sad but as someone once said "The Sun Also Rises". Have a Great week!! -mike
Ari, does the spinner have a tripod mount? If you mount it on a tripod, you could compose, pull the cord and release while ducking under the tripod. My panos don't always turn out level. I've bought a couple of those little 'dot' circular 360* bubble levels to stick on my pano cameras.
Great video! When you use 35mm film in a medium format camera with the backing paper, does the film stay flat enough? I once tried spooling 35mm film in 127 format but the results were out of focus due to curling of the film. What is your experience with curling film?
May I ask, I see you have the Holga panoramic camera. I am looking at the Holga pinhole camera that looks similar to that, have you shot with it and if so, how does it compare too the panoramic one? Also, does it say in the manual what the f/stop is on them? I was looking on BandH and it doesn't indicate what it is. Thanks! Ps, does that Lomo Spinner talk when you pull the string?
I have not tried Holpa Pinhole, but I have other pinhole cameras. To me, the biggest difference is that you cannot take pinhole pictures handheld, whereas Holga Pan, yes. Also, Pinhole pictures have an even softer and dreamy look. So depends on what you want. My experience is that Holga is around f13 cloud, about f16 sun. The spinner says "ahhh" when you let go of the string.
I have one of these spinner cameras, loaded with film but I have yet to try it out.. I keep stopping myself to wait for “something better” as far as a subject and I’m not seeing any shutter release or glass lens, so I’m not sure how the exposure is triggered. I guess I’ll find out.
There is no shutter in this camera. Exposing happens by moving film past the open shutter. You pull, and when releasing the string, the film is moved, and at the same time, the head rotates. That movement exposes film passing by the lens.
How do you ensure that the 35 mm film is in the middle of the backing paper and how do you compose using a viewfinder that is not panoramic? I am trying to shoot panorama with my Voigtländer Bessa RF and I struggle to have a right horizontal composition
Fold the backing paper lengthwise from two places so that the 35 mm slot appears in the middle of these folds. Then, let the folds open and go into a dark room. Now the film automatically slides in between as it is guided by these folds tilting slightly upwards. Then about the viewfinder. Well, that is just trial and error and practice. 😊
@@ShootOnFilm I will email you a link to a top notch film and slide cutter for 120. Way better than anything the photo suppliers carry. They all carry a cheap guillotine style cutter that wrecks your film more often than not. Roger at Shoot Film Like a Boss just got one on my recommend and really likes it.
This 360 photos are crazy wild!
:-) Yeah, out of this world .....
Last time you mentioned the Horizont we discussed lubrication. I have found that lubricating the top and bottom bearings pretty well solves banding problems. You are right it does involve some work to remove the top and bottom but it is worth it. You seem to have solved the problems with yours. I think you have finally persuaded me to get a Spinner as well.
This Spinner is so crazy! I'm already thinking about all kinds of insane photo ideas ... like inside a car, while riding a bicycle, in a library etc ... my creative juices are flowing, exactly the reason to buy more cameras :-)
@@ShootOnFilm Oooh!
Fun options!
A couple years ago I rolled some 35mm into a 120 backing paper and put it into my Moskva 4. You've inspired me to do that more often. The spooling process is so simple in concept, yet I found it rather difficult to accomplish in pitch dark. Maybe next time I'll use ortho film so I can leave the red light on. It's worth the effort!
Thanks for showing all the other options to make panoramas. They need not be complicated or expensive. Plus, results are uncommon because most people don't have the patience to mess with it.
I need to spool it carefully, taking my time and thinking ahead. You cannot rush spooling ...
I knew there was a reason I held onto a few rolls of backing paper. Just never knew why...until now...LOL
It's always worth getting up on a Sunday morning (NZ time) and watching your videos! Best regards.
Thanks thanks!!! Just spend a weekend with our friends who came from NZ. They spend a month there driving up and down with a rented green RV. Looked awesome. I must get to NZ sometime!!!!
@@ShootOnFilm Absolutely! Seeing NZ in an RV is the only way to go.You can get to isolated locations where there is no accommodation. We use ours mainly in the winter - less people with better light and mist. Just before or after rain for me is the best time. Scandinavia including Finland seems amazingly exotic to us.The other side of the fence etc.
Another great vid! I can highly recommend the Rolleiflex pano head (later model) with the quick release plate for your Rollei. The unstitched 6x6 negatives look excellent side by side.
Thanks for the tip!
Thanks Ari for a great video. Could you maybe explain how to spool the 35mm film with the backing paper? I am really interested to give it a try!
I actually made almost the same video a long time ago but had totally forgotten it. It even has the same song as the background music!! I'm making these videos without any planning, so these things happens. Here is more: ruclips.net/video/H5kudwPzhv8/видео.htmlsi=e9RrOyC652_9LpuQ&t=480
Thanks again! Super clear method. Going to try it with 6x12 pinhole camera!
I miss my square format 503 dearly but, as you point out, I find myself cropping down to achieve the same look. Still somehow not as gratifying. You are totally correct about limiting choices at the shoot. It's an extension of the oft-repeated answer to the question "Which camera is the best for this situation?" - - with the answer being "The one you brought!" Had to wonder about the shoe on the top of the Lomo Spinner. Lomo Spinner flash photography may be a niche unto itself???? As a print, panorama for me just never worked. As a scan - it can be wonderful. Thank you for giving my old brain something worthwhile to contemplate again this week, Ari!
I have no clue about the flash shoe. It seems to make no sense :-)
Great work! Greetings from Poland
Thanks thanks!!!
So cool! Might have to order a set of adaptors and try 35mm in my Mamiya645 and my Holga. Lovely shots, Ari. I really love your boat shots and street photos. You are an inspiration, for sure.
Thanks thanks!! Appreciated!!
Great Video!!! I love that Lomo 360 Camera!!!
It is a lot of fun, yes!
I love shooting panos. Most of the time I stitch them together from single shots (2 or 3) but I also have a Lomo Belair which can shoot 6x12 images and a Horizon I once stitched 2 panos made with Horizon so a double double ;-)
Yeah, the wider the better :-)
I have only created panoramas by stitching a series of pictures using Microsoft ICE. I loved your results.
That's certainly one way to do it 🙂
I have a 42 inch 4K monitor. This is very valuable for looking at panorama pictures. For my part, I think the best dimensional ratio for photographs is the golden ratio (1.618:1 approximately) like the Parthenon. Somehow, it does seem more beautiful to me. I also do like the square 1:1 ratio and the inverse golden ratio of 0.618:1 but in the end, the right ratio is what is best so I often do oddball crops that are hard to frame. I took a panorama of a herd of buffalo in a field that was so long it would look absurd printed unless you ran it down a long hallway.
I wish I had a monitor like that! I bet it would totally change my viewing habits -- I'm just using a small Mac Pro :-)
@@ShootOnFilm I often get a completely different idea of a photo when I view it full size. When you see the full details it can be much more appreciated.
There's a modified Hasselblad film called the P27 (panoramic format - 27 exposures). I think if you research it you can find the person that does the modification to those. It's just a regular A-12 back that's modified. I've seen some of the photos from those modified back and it's kind of cool imho.
Cool -- thanks. I will check that out!
A perfect selfie camera! I have trouble visualizing horizon photos, that 360 lomo makes my hed hurt.
Yes, the horizon gets all messed up -- in a good way!
I have a Lomography Sprocket Rocket that I enjoy using for panoramic photos.
It looks like a fun thing ....
especially enjoyed the spinner photos when you didn't hold the camera perfectly horizontally
Yeah. I like them too.
Interesting. I keep it with cropping a 4x5 inch film.
Yeah, that makes SENSE, but I'm not that sensible myself :-) That's leaving too many options for the location ....
Great shots. Love the sprocket holes, they kinda frame the image.
Thanks. I like them too. A bit gimmicky but fun.
I'm kind of surprised people are not finding a way to change the plastic lens out of the Holga Pano body to make a lightweight Pano camera with maybe reasonably inexpensive glass lenses.
But ... that would ruin a Holga!!! 🙂
Oh, bummer man. I mistakenly read "Photographing paranormal images with a film camera." I thought this one was going to be really interesting.
Maybe next time ? ;-)
@@ShootOnFilm Cool, 😎
Oh very cool! You showed on Amazon the adapters for 35mm film to 120, and you said get backing paper, but do you just search backing paper on amazon? My other question is you take the pictures from 135 film on your 120 camera, but do you then rewind the 135 film back into the canister? Did you have a video where you did or explained this process of wrapping the film in backing paper? This is very interesting and would like to know more about this! Super cool video and normally it leaves me happy and inspired, I am inspired and slightly happy because this time it raised more questions than answers for me! Haha now I have to calm my mind to get to sleep!
Sorry I didn't go any deeper with this ... let me try to answer:
-you cannot buy backing paper. It's leftover for your medium format film roll if you develop them at home. You can also ask the local development lab if they have any leftovers.
-no, you don't rewind. Medium-format cameras do not let you rewind. Instead, you take the film roll out without rewinding as the film is now protected by the backing paper around it.
The most difficult part is the spooling in the dark. You need to take it easy and slow :-)
I actually made almost the same video a long time ago but had totally forgotten it. It even has the same song as the background music!! Is Alzheimer's kicking in already? ;-) I'm making these videos without any planning, so these things happens. Here is more: ruclips.net/video/H5kudwPzhv8/видео.htmlsi=e9RrOyC652_9LpuQ&t=480
@@ShootOnFilm ah ok! I will check out this video! Thank you!
Great fun! What are your thoughts on negative space in panos? I don't do much of them but it seems that with the right subject you could turn a duet into two solos sung into a divide. Moody again, maybe a bit sad but as someone once said "The Sun Also Rises". Have a Great week!! -mike
An interesting question. It seems I use more negative space in my squares.
Ari, does the spinner have a tripod mount? If you mount it on a tripod, you could compose, pull the cord and release while ducking under the tripod. My panos don't always turn out level. I've bought a couple of those little 'dot' circular 360* bubble levels to stick on my pano cameras.
Yes, there is a tripod mount. But, that would then require using a tripod, right ;-)
Great video! When you use 35mm film in a medium format camera with the backing paper, does the film stay flat enough? I once tried spooling 35mm film in 127 format but the results were out of focus due to curling of the film. What is your experience with curling film?
Happens sometimes. Yes, It helps if you spool it really tight.
Hi Ari, what film did you use for the Holga??
Thanks and enjoying your video's from New Zealand.
Fomapan 100
I love ratio 1:1 but recently I work with 5x7 sheets and that's awesome. Im not able to shoot panorama
It's a bit strange this panorama. I agree ...
May I ask, I see you have the Holga panoramic camera. I am looking at the Holga pinhole camera that looks similar to that, have you shot with it and if so, how does it compare too the panoramic one? Also, does it say in the manual what the f/stop is on them? I was looking on BandH and it doesn't indicate what it is. Thanks! Ps, does that Lomo Spinner talk when you pull the string?
I have not tried Holpa Pinhole, but I have other pinhole cameras. To me, the biggest difference is that you cannot take pinhole pictures handheld, whereas Holga Pan, yes. Also, Pinhole pictures have an even softer and dreamy look. So depends on what you want.
My experience is that Holga is around f13 cloud, about f16 sun.
The spinner says "ahhh" when you let go of the string.
I have one of these spinner cameras, loaded with film but I have yet to try it out.. I keep stopping myself to wait for “something better” as far as a subject and I’m not seeing any shutter release or glass lens, so I’m not sure how the exposure is triggered. I guess I’ll find out.
There is no shutter in this camera. Exposing happens by moving film past the open shutter. You pull, and when releasing the string, the film is moved, and at the same time, the head rotates. That movement exposes film passing by the lens.
How do you ensure that the 35 mm film is in the middle of the backing paper and how do you compose using a viewfinder that is not panoramic? I am trying to shoot panorama with my Voigtländer Bessa RF and I struggle to have a right horizontal composition
Fold the backing paper lengthwise from two places so that the 35 mm slot appears in the middle of these folds. Then, let the folds open and go into a dark room. Now the film automatically slides in between as it is guided by these folds tilting slightly upwards.
Then about the viewfinder. Well, that is just trial and error and practice. 😊
Does one 120 backing paper fit an entire roll (36) of 35mm?
No. About half
Wide Open Spaces huh? 😀
A band formerly know as the Dixie Chicks
You need to hold it above your head :)
ruclips.net/video/0kQBNJech0s/видео.html upper pic :-)
That looks fun!
LomoSpinner... 😂
🙂
Is Ari a Jewish name?
A very Finnish. Was super popular here in the 60s. 😊 but I believe also a Jewish name. I mean three letters - what are the odds 😅
@@ShootOnFilm Also a camera name .. The "Arri-Flex"
Hold the Spinner above your head and you won't be in the picture.
Yep :-)
ruclips.net/video/0kQBNJech0s/видео.html the upper pic :-)
How do you cut your negatives? Scissors?
Yes
@@ShootOnFilm I will email you a link to a top notch film and slide cutter for 120. Way better than anything the photo suppliers carry. They all carry a cheap guillotine style cutter that wrecks your film more often than not. Roger at Shoot Film Like a Boss just got one on my recommend and really likes it.