20:48 1. Sigurd didn't know about the Loptous thing, so judging him for that is even more unfair than judging Eirika for giving the stone to Lyon. 2. It is implied that even if Deirdre never left the Spirit Forest, Manfroy would still have tracked her down, leading to pretty much the same situation, but even worse, since there would be no Seliph to lead the Liberation Army against Julius.
My two favorite lords are Dimitri and Edelgard, a curious combination to be sure. I find both of them inspirational. You did a good job with Dimitri, but I'd argue Edelgard is just as inspiring. She has debatably the most horrible backstory out of any Fire Emblem character, and yet sets out to fight a war against the entire world to make sure nobody ever goes through what she went through. Whether she's right in her goals or actions isn't really what I'm arguing, I just think the idea of a character that has had absolutely everything taken from her and still pushes this hard for the sake of others, in a way that is unlikely to be appreciated by the world, makes her seem like one of the mentally strongest characters I have ever seen.
@@hansgretl1787 good, cuz they aren't well written either. Especially Dimitri for being so cartoonish and silly written post tike skip, his trauma and edginess îs played like a cartoon, and his redemption after touchibg the avatar's hand îs hilarious,"well I am ok now, let's beat the empire".
As for edelgard, sure, asking if she did or not the good thing îs an ok part aboit her character, but The execution of her character îs done mediocre wise în all her routes. Also she didn't really lose everything lmao. She was The heir of the empire from the beggining. And no, her mentality îs în făct extremely weak. As for her tragedy, even lysithea hâd a more tragic bacstory. So no edelgard îs not even top 10 most tragic characters în fire emblem.
I will say, on Claude's Master Tactician tile is shown off really well in Three Hopes. As good as he is in Three Houses, he's so much better in Three Hopes.
BIG AGREE. So many people complained that Hopes Claude isn’t Houses Claude. In Hopes, we see Claude’s schemes and plans. We see his cunning when sacrificing Randolf or betraying Edelgard in Scarlet Blaze bring his true character to screen. When Seteth and Claude had the same idea for raiding Fort Merceus I was so unimpressed. This master schemer has the same idea as another character? Sure, Jan. I felt weirdly proud of Claude for being the way he was in Hopes
Regarding Sigurd finding Deirdre and marrying her, there's a small, a very small conversation between Manfroy and a Loptyr Bishop after you capture the second to the last castle of chapter 1, where the two Bishops are asking if they have found the "girl" (Deirdre) yet. Meaning, if Sigurd didn't find Deirdre first, then the Loptyr Bishops will find her first and the world ends regardless, so like either way if Sigurd found Deirdre or not, he will still die a painful death due to Deirdre being found earlier by the enemy before Seliph was born
I think claudes "power of friendship" line actually makes a lot of sense for his character. His overall theme is "unity is stronger than division" be it trying to bridge the gap between almyra and fodland, or keeping the Leicester alliance together during the war. As tropey and "anime protag" as it was, that line summarizes his role in the world.
From a gameplay perspective I think alm benefits from the 1 item inventory. He's the only character who has access to multiple weapons with 2 weapon types he can change between each turn. I recommend having him use multiple weapons and keeping a killer bow, his swords and parthia in convoy, that way he can become a Swiss army knife.
Regarding Sigurd, the only instance where there's a development to his character is when he asks for the village elder after conquering a castle post-Agustria. Making it so he'd learn his lesson not to leave a power vacuum like earlier, which was one of his greatest blunders. Relating to Deirdre, he was actually warned not by an elder to not pursue her. However, both Deirdre and Sigurd ignored such a warning and would both pursue their liking to each other.
I think Lyn is still rated a bit low. If one element of the character themselves can hard carry them like gameplay or personality, like Sigurd's gameplay or Celica's character, I think Lyn could've gone up a place or two. Yes, she isn't treated with much importance past her story, but I think her story is actually decent for the time we spend with it. It's pretty much the first time we see a "lord" deal with classism and the ire of a jealous uncle. I'm curious how it would play out if Lyn's Story wasn't made later in development for the west since she couldn't do something to deeply impact the main game, but I think she's at the very least a more compelling watch than Eliwood. I favor her all the time because I love the woman who doesn't take shit from men because of who or what she is, but even without my bias, I think she has enough character in her to be bumped up a little. You know what REALLY sucks about her character arc? Read her support with Wallace and get frustrated that we don't get that on the main plot. She very clearly hasn't moved past wanting revenge for the death of her parents, and it's kinda heartbreaking watching her tell this man "how dare you kill them for me!" Imagine if they rewrote the story to make The Black Fang to be the ones who killed her parents for stumbling into something they shouldn't have or whatever, and wiped out her tribe because Nergal couldn't have any witnesses. Now she's an integral part of the plot when the name Black Fang comes up. Then her being told by others she's not strong enough would MEAN something too because she wants to be the one to personally kill the Black Fang and just...man. XD Sorry, not trying to fanfic her into a higher place but there's facets of her character that I find fascinating and hate aren't more prominent enough to say she deserves to be at the top of bad at least. XP
The thing that makes Edelgarde so interesting as a character I think is that she's one of the only 2 villains in the story(in the literature/storytelling sense). Whether or not she's evil is up to you(personally I think she's definitely makes a lot of morally wrong choices, but she has really clear and honest intentions as a character). The main marker of a villain in storytelling is if we see them alone, especially w/o the protagonist which she at times isn't. The only other actual villain from a writing perspective is Rhea and they make really good foils. That being said I think Claude is the better Lord, his story covers the most of 3h's overall plot and he's based af.
Edelgard to me, is the best written lord in the entire franchise. Her character is so complex and interesting, the plots she brings to the story are chef's kiss.
Cheff kiss? Edelgard fans are so weird. Also edelgard's writing îs messy and she îs loved cuz she îs a female mainly. She îs not even that complex. It's just that some hate her for what she did or they fangirl over Dimitri, or others love her cuz she îs hot. Edelgard îs overrated as a character
@@mihaimercenarul7467 I’m not attracted to Edelgard and I love her. I find her personal struggles relatable and I love her story and amazing designs both before and after timeskip. I also like Dimitri and Claude. I’m not attracted to Dimitri but I find Claude hot and he still isn’t my favorite character and I can still criticize his character. You’re whole perspective of “Edelgard is only loved because she is a woman” is actually pretty secretly sexist. She is objectively an interesting character and she plays a very important role in the story. More so than Claude or Dimitri. To imply that she is only considered interesting because of her sex is not only wrong but sexist. And I shouldn’t have to explain how THATS wrong 👀
@@biandanxious3438 relatable? Yeah sure. Lao relatable doesn't make a character better. Also she plays an important role în The story? Wooow really? It's almost like she îs a villain în 3 routes and a main lord în one. No way! Doesn't change The făct that her execution îs mediocre. Also no, if edelgard was an ugly man, people would have not liked him as much. Edelgard being hot îs one of The main reasons she îs so popular, you can deny it, but it's The truth.
Roy is really a misenderstood character, people assum that he is a mini Eliwood while actually he is not really the typical kind hearted naive lord, he don't seek fight but know that sometime it's necessary, he is also way smarter than most lord by being able to understand traps, he often get depressed but hide this because of his duty. I also like the fact that unlike most lord he is a normal guy (an other reaon to not pair the dragon relationship Mary Sue with Eliwood). His problem is that his easier support to get is with Lilina and it's super boring
On the topic of Micaiah not being as bad as people like to say as a unit, it really is something to be studied how FE fans view her. -Why are we pretending that a low speed growth matters in a game where you can rig max stats for any unit and especially one like her that will max multiple stats(Mag/Res/Luck) incredibly fast and be primed for BEXP? -Why would low speed matter for her anyways when Thani will legitimately oneshot every single cavalier or armor unit in every DB chapter on Normal mode, and still do incredible damage for Hard? -How is she ending up in situations where she gets jumped by enemies when almost every DB chapter is very choke heavy? -Sacrifice is also a cheap easy way to funnel her exp throughout the game without needing to see combat or dedicate staff uses, especially during Part 1 where your only other healing option is Laura or Vulneraries(granted, Vulneraries are at their best in RD) Maybe it's just because she shares a game with RD Ike and Flying Amiti, or because for western FE fans, we only received 3 of the easiest games in the series prior to RD being one of the harder ones, but she is just nowhere near as bad as people say
I agree 100% on this. I always see : “Micaiah bad unit, can’t survive anything and gets doubles by everything.” My first though is always… wait… why are we letting the healer tank shots? It’s just strange, I think her position as a lord is what frustrates people because she’s relegated more to a backup role in combat, when the traditional lord is more frontline heavy. But make no mistake, she’s a great unit IMO.
The problem is honestly a lot to do with act 1 of Radiant Dawn. She's not just frail, she is "one rounded by a generic soldier" frail. Mix that in with being in one of the single worst lineups of units in fire emblem. The Dawn Brigade is just SO bad which means you just lack good options for killing units near her. Mix that in with the fact that her healing in act 1 doest actually generate a single point of healing and just offloads damage to a different unit that still needs to be healed properly afterwards. You also have maps like that one map with the Black Knight where basically everyone gets a game over their first playthrough because the moment you let anything on this cramped fog of war map get within 2 squares of her she just dies. Sure after act 1 when she has staffs and Jill is online and currently soloing most of the map and Noland or someone else is likely able to mop up anything not torn apart in the Jillnado, sure. She feels much better then.
I agree with everything except the "rig max stats" Thing, I think that's just silly. I know there's a way to do this, but despite playing the game twice I have no idea how to do it and 99% of people playing this game wouldn't even know that much. If your argument relies on 'rigging' something, most people don't know that and thus it's not applicable.
@@nahte123456 In FE10 using BEXP guarantees you plus 3 stats every level up, so (In this case Micaiah) with Magic, Res, and luck pretty much guaranteed to cap, you use "Rig" BEXP to level her up to Tier 3 Level 20 in the end and will pretty much max out the rest of her stats like Speed, Defense, etc. So it's actually really easy to do, and probably a lot of people did, if not intentionally 😅 Though I guess if you never used BEXP or never noticed that you always got 3 stat ups from BEXP there was no way you would know, since the game doesn't explain that 🤔
Regarding Celica, you took out half of the question of what frustrated people about the whole Celica/Jedah thing. It's not just "Why would you trust Jedah?" but moreso, "Why would you trust Jedah over your comrades? Your friends?" The people that by this point she shed blood with. I agree, within the context of their world, Jedah obviously radiating evilness (for a lack of words), isn't why she should immediately tell him to buzz off. But Celica keeping her entire squad in the dark expecting them to be fine with her sacrificing herself, when she was warned multiple times in the story to do otherwise is a complete misuse of trust. Her brother supposedly came back from the dead, slapped her, and said to stop trying to do everything herself. She did the exact opposite. Why should anyone trust Celica beyond that point as a leader? If I were a close friend, I would be asking myself why I would care about her when she so clearly has a lack of care about herself? Her throwing her life away for me isn't chivalrous, it's selfish. And my biggest issue is that largely goes out of the window by the end of the story.
The thing is that Celica has been taught and raised with the Mila's mentality which means acting not thinking on herself, but on others. For that reason, she has no faith in humanity and thinks that only she and her faith she has in Mila can make a real change in the world, this can be proved when Mae says to Celica that she always has been that kind of person that always do things by her own, without looking for support. Of course it's frustating from our point of view, I couldn't understand why she did all these things, but if we put ourselves in her shoes, what else could she possibly do? She couldn't know if Jeddah was telling the truth or not, she was risking her comrades' lifes, her love was also risking his life for no reason and also the fate of the world was on her shoulders, therefore, she arrived at the conclusion that the best for all is to sacrifice herself to restore the balance in the world, all just because she didn't take into account the strength and potential humanity have for the first reason I said at the beginning. It's at the end, when Mila gives the Falchion that she realises that she has lost that faith in humanity at some point, and since then, she no longer lives with that fear of a world without the gods, but now she has hope on humanity and the future they have ahead. I would lie if I say that I haven't questioned Celica's decisions during the story, but when you think about it, it's tough. All the things she appreciated had clashed, and she had to choose what to prioritize: her life, her love, the world... it's not about selfishness, it was more deciding on what has more value: herself or others
you're wrong about roy. OKAY LOOK HEAR ME OUT there's actually a new fanslation of FE6 out in the wild! so it's no longer quite as impossible to get Roy's story in a way that sounds like a story anymore. I still don't expect him to be shooting up up up in the ranks based on how you evaluate other lords, but if this gets him out from under Corrin at least, I'll be pleased
Going into Three Houses I hated Dimitri and imagined his route to be just the next pseudo-heroic male fantasy storyline. After playing thorugh all four routes, he's easily my favourtite lord in the series. Greatest story told in FE so far.
Calm down. His story was mediocre af. Angry dude who sees dead people, touches the avatar's hand and he îs ok, let's beat the empire hooraaay. His story îs forced, nonsnensical and Dimitri îs too cartoonish
In 10:40 scene, Eirika is my favourite Fire Emblem character, Because She is pretty, badass, bright, gorgeous swordsmanship princess, And that her battle stats is very awesome, Her skill and speed very high, But her strength and defense is medium and magic defense is low-mid, Maybe she's wearing awesome outfit have something to do with it(mid thick short sleeve crimson turtleneck tunic, Gold plate mail(marking Renais emblem), Fingerless Plate Gloves, Yellow mark Renais emblem cloak, White skirt, crimson long flat boots, Handing rapier), So when I play the FE 8 games, Every remember FE 8 female main character and her outfit. Eirika wearing battle outfit is cool, She didn't like wearing leggings and heavily armour, Because she like comfortable and lightly armour to easy move around, And that she can handing Shamshir, So many player remember FE 4 Ayra outfit, There are many player who think she is not Lord, But She really is Myrmidon and Swordmaster, That is awesome and nice pretty Reanis Eastern fast swordsman princess.
What are you TALKING about bro? Ephraim’s lines are sick. He’s Ike before Ike introduced peak to the series. Nah, the fact his route heads DIRECTLY to the enemy territory brashly in his plot is awesome. Def > Eirika. I don’t even remember her personality at all, and I JUST played Eirika route, and played ephraim route years ago 😭
Honestly as someone with severe depression I really dislike Dimitri, as he falls under the incredibly problematic depressed murder trope that affects people with schizophrenia especially harshly. Obviously not everyone is the same and your valid for liking Dimitri, but for me the way he was depicted led me to hating the man, especially as someone who was falsely diagnosed with schizophrenia. Also in regards to better metal health representation I would suggest Lucius, Soren or Gilbert
I don't know. I liked Dimitri's Three Hopes characterization a lot more than his Three Houses self, but I don't think Dimitri is a bad character in that too. It's valid that you dislike Dimitri, but I personally don't. He's a fun unit to play as, his backstory is amongst the darkest of all the Lords (only rival is Edelgard), this is unfortunately something that does occur within war times for infantry soldiers (though it's sometimes messy to determine if Dimitri actually did the really, really messed up stuff he was accused of doing), and considering the time period, it's easier to see he's more a victim to his environment and the corruption of the Kingdom and racism than his mental illness, which even I agree is one of the two major issues I have with his characterization if he's supposed to represent mental health. Also, you know the Fire Emblem fanbase mostly despises Gilbert right?
@@yusifudo46 1. I didn't play three hopes and I don't really want to after how much I disliked Three Houses (it is also a spin off, so I don't really count it) 2. Dark backstory does not equal a good character and his dark backstory is basically just a worse done version of the Serenes forest massacre 3. the corruption of the kingdom plays a part, but the crux of his "character arc" is based way more around metal illness 4. The fandom disliking a character does not make them bad especially when those reason are moralistic (i.e. judging a character for being morally gray) speaking of which Gilbert is a much better example of a morally gray character with metal health issues and it is a large part of why I like him, as he does not fall into the same trappings of the violent murderer with mental health issues that Dimitri does
Thank you for your comment! I can totally see where you are coming from. I don't love that the mentally ill man is portrayed as a murderous sociopath, but I just love how he "comes out of it." He doesn't. He resolves himself to work day in and day out to improve, but he is never cured. That resonated with me personally.
@@AdamWithFED I understand, my problem is I think that FE never has had a problem with metal health issues being magically cured and I think there are other characters who do a better job of depicting a slow recovery without the baggage of the story singling them out as killing people in a particularly violent and warped way (Soren is the most obvious example of this). I do not want to diminish your love of this character, but hearing people constantly praise his portrayal without acknowledging the negative aspects has left me rather disillusioned with the fandom in general. I also want to be clear there is room to disagree on if a character is good or bad rep, but there is also a problem when potential issues are ignored. I will also admit you may not be the best person to bring this up with, because my biggest concern is that people who do not have metal health issues may be using Dimitri as an example of a deep complex character, while ignoring or understating the problematic elements of his writing and speaking over people who have experienced these issues irl
@@aureliumsol8572 Except I didn't say any of that nor did I glorify Dimitri's character as I said there were some aspects of his story I didn't like. As I said from the jump, your hatred for Dimitri I believe is very valid as it is for everyone on this list as they all have certain qualities or events in a story that can make them all very unlikable. I like Dimitri and think he's a good character. Top 5 for me. I'm not defending him, but I personally never saw Dimitri as a representation of mental health. I don't believe he was even designed to be that. Just a broken Lord like people in the fandom wanted in the series for so long. What I am saying is it was 1000 years ago. Those times people thought vastly different than today. I'm saying he was more influenced by the environment and the circumstances around him instead of it being specifically his mental illness or his dark past being the driving force of his actions as the World of Fodlan in itself is extremely problematic (for example The Tragedy of Duscur was a racially motivated event) and his Three Hopes version is extremely chill and much more level-headed. Although it's a spin-off, the plot of it takes place in the main timeline. I'm not excusing him, I even said I had some grievances with Dimitri's writing at certain stages in the story. I lived in the ghetto so I know we're all products of our environment, but justifiable or not, people should have to pay some form of karmic accountability for their errors and misdeeds, as Dimitri is no exception to that rule and I think he got off a little too easy, but I love how despite that, he isn't exactly cured or just gets over it. In his route, he learns to live with and deal with it. He wasn't completely redeemed, but he is trying hard in his own route, and that's at least respectable, like Renault from Blazing Sword. TLDR; I get where you're coming from, but Dimitri has redeeming character traits and I don't see him as an example of mental illness. Just a guy dealt a very bad hand who I still think should pay some karmic justice for what he did. I never excused his actions just contextualized them, but at least he's trying and it's not glorified at all like someone like Peri from Fates. She is extremely irredeemable and does close to nothing to improve or reflect on her past and present actions. She's even actively rewarded for the messed up things she did in the past and her psychotic disposition is still aggressively rewarded.
7:57 that's what happened to me almost 20 years ago. The disappointment! And then I played that era's translation of FE6 and Eliwood was more appreciated as a unit and character.
just got to alm! a great comparison for him is katniss everdeen. her role as the mockingjay is essentially identical to Alm's role as leader of the deliverance
@@eleonorepb4565 your saying that Eliwood is a Popular character. He is not Also everything we know and everything we believe is influenced by others. So your statement is meaningless.
I bet Roy would be fixed if they made his personality something like his Smash counterpart. It's not much, but it won't make him bad AND bland. That would make him the opposite of Corrin, great personality bad unit.
kind of disappointing. i expected an analysis from you experts about how good lords were because of their stats, usefulness in maps, abilities, etc. Still a good video, but will you consider making a video in that vein in the future? I loved the class and unit ranking videos you've done in the past and expected more of that haha
In 4:30 scene, Lyn is my favourite FE7 female main character, Because She is very difficult and not normally Eastern Swordmaster girl, And that her outfit(Sky blue mid-thick short sleeve long Cheongsam(Inside is dark green mid-thick short sleeve light armoured ninja suit, dark green mid-thick tight shorts), mid-thick fingerless gloves, Brown flat riding boots(dark green mid-thick tight ninja socks)) and equipment weapons(Mani Katti(Later Athos made Sol Katti to give her strike final boss), All Bow) can make her Strength is mid-high, Skill and Speed is highly, But her Physical defense is medium and Magic defense is mid-low, She good to use range weapon to attack Flying units(Pegasus Knight, Falcon Knight, Wyvern Rider, Wyvern Lord,Wyvern knight) and self-defense and support battle friends. So when I play the FE 7 games, Every remember FE 7 female main character and her outfit. Lyn wearing battle outfit is cool, She didn't like wearing leggings and heavily armour, Because she like comfortable and to easy move around, And that she can handing Mani Katti or Sol Katti or All Bow, So many player who think she is not only Lord, When she assault to Enemy leader and strike units or destroy enemy supplies, She will change to Ninja outfit and equipment(Take off Cheongsam and riding boot, Only wearing ninja suit and shorts and ninja socks and ninja straw sandals, equipped Mani Katti or Sol Katti and All Bow and Shuriken) going to spy objective, But She really is Myrmidon, Swordmaster, Ninja, Master Ninja, That is awesome and nice pretty Sacaen Eastern shadow samurai-kunoichi princess. Notice : Funny question, I can't believe in Japanese voice to found voiced by the famous magic girl anime Corrector Yui(Yui Kasuga, She is main Character of Corrector Yui) and Kirby, But that is awesome and very nice and pretty Japanese voice was Lyn.
Fire emblem characters were always cool to me never played the game growing up but now I’m buying the games I got 4 fire emblem games now I’m new to the games
Celica being that high is amazing, she's one of my favorites too and I think she gets an unfair amount of hate. also corrin not being dead last, I'll take it LOL
@@yusifudo46Dimitri îs overrated cuz sad hot edgy lord. Execution wise, Dimitri îs cartoonish and silly. Him seeing the dead people, and then acting like a brainless asshole '' whatever'' îs so hilarious and silly for The wrong reasons. And his redemption, he touches the hand of the avatar god and he îs ok, time to beat the empire. Many people just like how hot and edgy Dimitri îs and they feel sorry for his silly tragedy despite how badly executed it is.
Edelgard feels way more like a main villain then main character, especially with every route but the half baked extra route having her on that side of the story.
Honestly the whole point of the Edelgard sees a deeply flawed and tragic world and thinks it is up to her to fix it at all costs. The problem is that her view is so deeply clouded by the events of her childhood that she just isn't able to see the real problems with her ideology. Great villian but some people really miss the light the other paths shed on the fatal flaws with her grand plan.
She is an antagonist, but Rhea is just as much of an antagonist as her. The Agarthans are really the only “villains” in the game. Edelgard is still the main character though, the theming of the game is built around her, and that’s extremely literal bc the main theme’s lyrics are from her perspective
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1. Sigurd didn't know about the Loptous thing, so judging him for that is even more unfair than judging Eirika for giving the stone to Lyon.
2. It is implied that even if Deirdre never left the Spirit Forest, Manfroy would still have tracked her down, leading to pretty much the same situation, but even worse, since there would be no Seliph to lead the Liberation Army against Julius.
My two favorite lords are Dimitri and Edelgard, a curious combination to be sure.
I find both of them inspirational. You did a good job with Dimitri, but I'd argue Edelgard is just as inspiring. She has debatably the most horrible backstory out of any Fire Emblem character, and yet sets out to fight a war against the entire world to make sure nobody ever goes through what she went through. Whether she's right in her goals or actions isn't really what I'm arguing, I just think the idea of a character that has had absolutely everything taken from her and still pushes this hard for the sake of others, in a way that is unlikely to be appreciated by the world, makes her seem like one of the mentally strongest characters I have ever seen.
Yeah both of those are overrated and mediocre written. They are just hot and that's why people like them
@@mihaimercenarul7467 Thank you for the comment from the peanut gallery, but I don't find either one physically attractive.
@@hansgretl1787 good, cuz they aren't well written either. Especially Dimitri for being so cartoonish and silly written post tike skip, his trauma and edginess îs played like a cartoon, and his redemption after touchibg the avatar's hand îs hilarious,"well I am ok now, let's beat the empire".
As for edelgard, sure, asking if she did or not the good thing îs an ok part aboit her character, but The execution of her character îs done mediocre wise în all her routes. Also she didn't really lose everything lmao. She was The heir of the empire from the beggining. And no, her mentality îs în făct extremely weak. As for her tragedy, even lysithea hâd a more tragic bacstory. So no edelgard îs not even top 10 most tragic characters în fire emblem.
@@mihaimercenarul7467 Good for you
I will say, on Claude's Master Tactician tile is shown off really well in Three Hopes. As good as he is in Three Houses, he's so much better in Three Hopes.
BIG AGREE. So many people complained that Hopes Claude isn’t Houses Claude.
In Hopes, we see Claude’s schemes and plans. We see his cunning when sacrificing Randolf or betraying Edelgard in Scarlet Blaze bring his true character to screen.
When Seteth and Claude had the same idea for raiding Fort Merceus I was so unimpressed. This master schemer has the same idea as another character? Sure, Jan.
I felt weirdly proud of Claude for being the way he was in Hopes
Absolutely yes. I liked him so much more in Hopes
Regarding Sigurd finding Deirdre and marrying her, there's a small, a very small conversation between Manfroy and a Loptyr Bishop after you capture the second to the last castle of chapter 1, where the two Bishops are asking if they have found the "girl" (Deirdre) yet. Meaning, if Sigurd didn't find Deirdre first, then the Loptyr Bishops will find her first and the world ends regardless, so like either way if Sigurd found Deirdre or not, he will still die a painful death due to Deirdre being found earlier by the enemy before Seliph was born
I think claudes "power of friendship" line actually makes a lot of sense for his character. His overall theme is "unity is stronger than division" be it trying to bridge the gap between almyra and fodland, or keeping the Leicester alliance together during the war. As tropey and "anime protag" as it was, that line summarizes his role in the world.
Dimitri being the best lord is a take colder than absolute 0 and I 1000% agree
Too bad his story îs so mediocre and his character so goofy, cartoonish and forced.
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@@EXchoco wrong
@@mihaimercenarul7467 So are we not allowed to like characters?
From a gameplay perspective I think alm benefits from the 1 item inventory. He's the only character who has access to multiple weapons with 2 weapon types he can change between each turn. I recommend having him use multiple weapons and keeping a killer bow, his swords and parthia in convoy, that way he can become a Swiss army knife.
Just sayin, this is peak video analysis right here!!! Thank you so much for having me onboard for this fantastic adventure!
You two really suck at analysing characters
Lords during an Ironman: “Some of you may die…but it’s a chance I’m willing to take”
Regarding Sigurd, the only instance where there's a development to his character is when he asks for the village elder after conquering a castle post-Agustria. Making it so he'd learn his lesson not to leave a power vacuum like earlier, which was one of his greatest blunders.
Relating to Deirdre, he was actually warned not by an elder to not pursue her. However, both Deirdre and Sigurd ignored such a warning and would both pursue their liking to each other.
I think Lyn is still rated a bit low. If one element of the character themselves can hard carry them like gameplay or personality, like Sigurd's gameplay or Celica's character, I think Lyn could've gone up a place or two. Yes, she isn't treated with much importance past her story, but I think her story is actually decent for the time we spend with it. It's pretty much the first time we see a "lord" deal with classism and the ire of a jealous uncle. I'm curious how it would play out if Lyn's Story wasn't made later in development for the west since she couldn't do something to deeply impact the main game, but I think she's at the very least a more compelling watch than Eliwood.
I favor her all the time because I love the woman who doesn't take shit from men because of who or what she is, but even without my bias, I think she has enough character in her to be bumped up a little.
You know what REALLY sucks about her character arc? Read her support with Wallace and get frustrated that we don't get that on the main plot. She very clearly hasn't moved past wanting revenge for the death of her parents, and it's kinda heartbreaking watching her tell this man "how dare you kill them for me!" Imagine if they rewrote the story to make The Black Fang to be the ones who killed her parents for stumbling into something they shouldn't have or whatever, and wiped out her tribe because Nergal couldn't have any witnesses. Now she's an integral part of the plot when the name Black Fang comes up. Then her being told by others she's not strong enough would MEAN something too because she wants to be the one to personally kill the Black Fang and just...man. XD
Sorry, not trying to fanfic her into a higher place but there's facets of her character that I find fascinating and hate aren't more prominent enough to say she deserves to be at the top of bad at least. XP
The thing that makes Edelgarde so interesting as a character I think is that she's one of the only 2 villains in the story(in the literature/storytelling sense). Whether or not she's evil is up to you(personally I think she's definitely makes a lot of morally wrong choices, but she has really clear and honest intentions as a character). The main marker of a villain in storytelling is if we see them alone, especially w/o the protagonist which she at times isn't. The only other actual villain from a writing perspective is Rhea and they make really good foils. That being said I think Claude is the better Lord, his story covers the most of 3h's overall plot and he's based af.
Edelgard to me, is the best written lord in the entire franchise. Her character is so complex and interesting, the plots she brings to the story are chef's kiss.
Cheff kiss? Edelgard fans are so weird. Also edelgard's writing îs messy and she îs loved cuz she îs a female mainly. She îs not even that complex. It's just that some hate her for what she did or they fangirl over Dimitri, or others love her cuz she îs hot. Edelgard îs overrated as a character
Also The plots she brings to The story are. mediocre. Chef kiss my ass
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I’m not attracted to Edelgard and I love her. I find her personal struggles relatable and I love her story and amazing designs both before and after timeskip. I also like Dimitri and Claude. I’m not attracted to Dimitri but I find Claude hot and he still isn’t my favorite character and I can still criticize his character. You’re whole perspective of “Edelgard is only loved because she is a woman” is actually pretty secretly sexist. She is objectively an interesting character and she plays a very important role in the story. More so than Claude or Dimitri. To imply that she is only considered interesting because of her sex is not only wrong but sexist. And I shouldn’t have to explain how THATS wrong 👀
@@biandanxious3438 relatable? Yeah sure. Lao relatable doesn't make a character better. Also she plays an important role în The story? Wooow really? It's almost like she îs a villain în 3 routes and a main lord în one. No way! Doesn't change The făct that her execution îs mediocre. Also no, if edelgard was an ugly man, people would have not liked him as much. Edelgard being hot îs one of The main reasons she îs so popular, you can deny it, but it's The truth.
@@biandanxious3438 also you just said that you like her cuz of her design lmao. You just admitted that it's because she îs hot that she îs loved lmao.
Celica being that high is a hilarious mao
Omg this is so wrong
Hector is my my favorite lord because he feels like the most realistic imo. He's so grounded and complex in a game that's not so
Roy is really a misenderstood character, people assum that he is a mini Eliwood while actually he is not really the typical kind hearted naive lord, he don't seek fight but know that sometime it's necessary, he is also way smarter than most lord by being able to understand traps, he often get depressed but hide this because of his duty. I also like the fact that unlike most lord he is a normal guy (an other reaon to not pair the dragon relationship Mary Sue with Eliwood). His problem is that his easier support to get is with Lilina and it's super boring
On the topic of Micaiah not being as bad as people like to say as a unit, it really is something to be studied how FE fans view her.
-Why are we pretending that a low speed growth matters in a game where you can rig max stats for any unit and especially one like her that will max multiple stats(Mag/Res/Luck) incredibly fast and be primed for BEXP?
-Why would low speed matter for her anyways when Thani will legitimately oneshot every single cavalier or armor unit in every DB chapter on Normal mode, and still do incredible damage for Hard?
-How is she ending up in situations where she gets jumped by enemies when almost every DB chapter is very choke heavy?
-Sacrifice is also a cheap easy way to funnel her exp throughout the game without needing to see combat or dedicate staff uses, especially during Part 1 where your only other healing option is Laura or Vulneraries(granted, Vulneraries are at their best in RD)
Maybe it's just because she shares a game with RD Ike and Flying Amiti, or because for western FE fans, we only received 3 of the easiest games in the series prior to RD being one of the harder ones, but she is just nowhere near as bad as people say
I agree 100% on this. I always see : “Micaiah bad unit, can’t survive anything and gets doubles by everything.”
My first though is always… wait… why are we letting the healer tank shots?
It’s just strange, I think her position as a lord is what frustrates people because she’s relegated more to a backup role in combat, when the traditional lord is more frontline heavy. But make no mistake, she’s a great unit IMO.
The problem is honestly a lot to do with act 1 of Radiant Dawn.
She's not just frail, she is "one rounded by a generic soldier" frail.
Mix that in with being in one of the single worst lineups of units in fire emblem. The Dawn Brigade is just SO bad which means you just lack good options for killing units near her.
Mix that in with the fact that her healing in act 1 doest actually generate a single point of healing and just offloads damage to a different unit that still needs to be healed properly afterwards.
You also have maps like that one map with the Black Knight where basically everyone gets a game over their first playthrough because the moment you let anything on this cramped fog of war map get within 2 squares of her she just dies.
Sure after act 1 when she has staffs and Jill is online and currently soloing most of the map and Noland or someone else is likely able to mop up anything not torn apart in the Jillnado, sure. She feels much better then.
I love using Micaiah, even with the difficulties she can bring 😅 I do wonder how she would do if she was the lord in any of the other FE games? 🤔
I agree with everything except the "rig max stats" Thing, I think that's just silly. I know there's a way to do this, but despite playing the game twice I have no idea how to do it and 99% of people playing this game wouldn't even know that much.
If your argument relies on 'rigging' something, most people don't know that and thus it's not applicable.
@@nahte123456 In FE10 using BEXP guarantees you plus 3 stats every level up, so (In this case Micaiah) with Magic, Res, and luck pretty much guaranteed to cap, you use "Rig" BEXP to level her up to Tier 3 Level 20 in the end and will pretty much max out the rest of her stats like Speed, Defense, etc. So it's actually really easy to do, and probably a lot of people did, if not intentionally 😅 Though I guess if you never used BEXP or never noticed that you always got 3 stat ups from BEXP there was no way you would know, since the game doesn't explain that 🤔
Regarding Celica, you took out half of the question of what frustrated people about the whole Celica/Jedah thing. It's not just "Why would you trust Jedah?" but moreso, "Why would you trust Jedah over your comrades? Your friends?" The people that by this point she shed blood with.
I agree, within the context of their world, Jedah obviously radiating evilness (for a lack of words), isn't why she should immediately tell him to buzz off. But Celica keeping her entire squad in the dark expecting them to be fine with her sacrificing herself, when she was warned multiple times in the story to do otherwise is a complete misuse of trust. Her brother supposedly came back from the dead, slapped her, and said to stop trying to do everything herself. She did the exact opposite.
Why should anyone trust Celica beyond that point as a leader? If I were a close friend, I would be asking myself why I would care about her when she so clearly has a lack of care about herself? Her throwing her life away for me isn't chivalrous, it's selfish. And my biggest issue is that largely goes out of the window by the end of the story.
Exactly what I thought at the end of Silver the Hedgehog's story when Blaze died at the end of Sonic 06.
@@yoder6162 you're weird
@@mihaimercenarul7467 Take accountability. You know what you were doing in all of these comments
@@yoder6162 ok you obviously have brain damage. Get well soon, buddy.
The thing is that Celica has been taught and raised with the Mila's mentality which means acting not thinking on herself, but on others. For that reason, she has no faith in humanity and thinks that only she and her faith she has in Mila can make a real change in the world, this can be proved when Mae says to Celica that she always has been that kind of person that always do things by her own, without looking for support. Of course it's frustating from our point of view, I couldn't understand why she did all these things, but if we put ourselves in her shoes, what else could she possibly do? She couldn't know if Jeddah was telling the truth or not, she was risking her comrades' lifes, her love was also risking his life for no reason and also the fate of the world was on her shoulders, therefore, she arrived at the conclusion that the best for all is to sacrifice herself to restore the balance in the world, all just because she didn't take into account the strength and potential humanity have for the first reason I said at the beginning. It's at the end, when Mila gives the Falchion that she realises that she has lost that faith in humanity at some point, and since then, she no longer lives with that fear of a world without the gods, but now she has hope on humanity and the future they have ahead.
I would lie if I say that I haven't questioned Celica's decisions during the story, but when you think about it, it's tough. All the things she appreciated had clashed, and she had to choose what to prioritize: her life, her love, the world... it's not about selfishness, it was more deciding on what has more value: herself or others
Rolf is my favorite lord
you're wrong about roy.
OKAY LOOK HEAR ME OUT there's actually a new fanslation of FE6 out in the wild! so it's no longer quite as impossible to get Roy's story in a way that sounds like a story anymore. I still don't expect him to be shooting up up up in the ranks based on how you evaluate other lords, but if this gets him out from under Corrin at least, I'll be pleased
Going into Three Houses I hated Dimitri and imagined his route to be just the next pseudo-heroic male fantasy storyline. After playing thorugh all four routes, he's easily my favourtite lord in the series. Greatest story told in FE so far.
Calm down. His story was mediocre af. Angry dude who sees dead people, touches the avatar's hand and he îs ok, let's beat the empire hooraaay. His story îs forced, nonsnensical and Dimitri îs too cartoonish
@@mihaimercenarul7467You're weird
It's Adam from FED!! Guys. ADAM, from FED.
Really surprised you guys skipped Lucina (but included Elincia)
In 10:40 scene, Eirika is my favourite Fire Emblem character, Because She is pretty, badass, bright, gorgeous swordsmanship princess, And that her battle stats is very awesome, Her skill and speed very high, But her strength and defense is medium and magic defense is low-mid, Maybe she's wearing awesome outfit have something to do with it(mid thick short sleeve crimson turtleneck tunic, Gold plate mail(marking Renais emblem), Fingerless Plate Gloves, Yellow mark Renais emblem cloak, White skirt, crimson long flat boots, Handing rapier), So when I play the FE 8 games, Every remember FE 8 female main character and her outfit.
Eirika wearing battle outfit is cool, She didn't like wearing leggings and heavily armour, Because she like comfortable and lightly armour to easy move around, And that she can handing Shamshir, So many player remember FE 4 Ayra outfit, There are many player who think she is not Lord, But She really is Myrmidon and Swordmaster, That is awesome and nice pretty Reanis Eastern fast swordsman princess.
Today we are discussing who......is the greatest Lord......of the rings...
Of the dance ..or... of the flies.....
What are you TALKING about bro? Ephraim’s lines are sick. He’s Ike before Ike introduced peak to the series. Nah, the fact his route heads DIRECTLY to the enemy territory brashly in his plot is awesome.
Def > Eirika. I don’t even remember her personality at all, and I JUST played Eirika route, and played ephraim route years ago 😭
Honestly as someone with severe depression I really dislike Dimitri, as he falls under the incredibly problematic depressed murder trope that affects people with schizophrenia especially harshly. Obviously not everyone is the same and your valid for liking Dimitri, but for me the way he was depicted led me to hating the man, especially as someone who was falsely diagnosed with schizophrenia.
Also in regards to better metal health representation I would suggest Lucius, Soren or Gilbert
I don't know. I liked Dimitri's Three Hopes characterization a lot more than his Three Houses self, but I don't think Dimitri is a bad character in that too. It's valid that you dislike Dimitri, but I personally don't. He's a fun unit to play as, his backstory is amongst the darkest of all the Lords (only rival is Edelgard), this is unfortunately something that does occur within war times for infantry soldiers (though it's sometimes messy to determine if Dimitri actually did the really, really messed up stuff he was accused of doing), and considering the time period, it's easier to see he's more a victim to his environment and the corruption of the Kingdom and racism than his mental illness, which even I agree is one of the two major issues I have with his characterization if he's supposed to represent mental health. Also, you know the Fire Emblem fanbase mostly despises Gilbert right?
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1. I didn't play three hopes and I don't really want to after how much I disliked Three Houses (it is also a spin off, so I don't really count it)
2. Dark backstory does not equal a good character and his dark backstory is basically just a worse done version of the Serenes forest massacre
3. the corruption of the kingdom plays a part, but the crux of his "character arc" is based way more around metal illness
4. The fandom disliking a character does not make them bad especially when those reason are moralistic (i.e. judging a character for being morally gray) speaking of which Gilbert is a much better example of a morally gray character with metal health issues and it is a large part of why I like him, as he does not fall into the same trappings of the violent murderer with mental health issues that Dimitri does
Thank you for your comment! I can totally see where you are coming from. I don't love that the mentally ill man is portrayed as a murderous sociopath, but I just love how he "comes out of it." He doesn't. He resolves himself to work day in and day out to improve, but he is never cured. That resonated with me personally.
@@AdamWithFED I understand, my problem is I think that FE never has had a problem with metal health issues being magically cured and I think there are other characters who do a better job of depicting a slow recovery without the baggage of the story singling them out as killing people in a particularly violent and warped way (Soren is the most obvious example of this). I do not want to diminish your love of this character, but hearing people constantly praise his portrayal without acknowledging the negative aspects has left me rather disillusioned with the fandom in general. I also want to be clear there is room to disagree on if a character is good or bad rep, but there is also a problem when potential issues are ignored. I will also admit you may not be the best person to bring this up with, because my biggest concern is that people who do not have metal health issues may be using Dimitri as an example of a deep complex character, while ignoring or understating the problematic elements of his writing and speaking over people who have experienced these issues irl
@@aureliumsol8572 Except I didn't say any of that nor did I glorify Dimitri's character as I said there were some aspects of his story I didn't like. As I said from the jump, your hatred for Dimitri I believe is very valid as it is for everyone on this list as they all have certain qualities or events in a story that can make them all very unlikable. I like Dimitri and think he's a good character. Top 5 for me. I'm not defending him, but I personally never saw Dimitri as a representation of mental health. I don't believe he was even designed to be that. Just a broken Lord like people in the fandom wanted in the series for so long. What I am saying is it was 1000 years ago. Those times people thought vastly different than today. I'm saying he was more influenced by the environment and the circumstances around him instead of it being specifically his mental illness or his dark past being the driving force of his actions as the World of Fodlan in itself is extremely problematic (for example The Tragedy of Duscur was a racially motivated event) and his Three Hopes version is extremely chill and much more level-headed. Although it's a spin-off, the plot of it takes place in the main timeline. I'm not excusing him, I even said I had some grievances with Dimitri's writing at certain stages in the story. I lived in the ghetto so I know we're all products of our environment, but justifiable or not, people should have to pay some form of karmic accountability for their errors and misdeeds, as Dimitri is no exception to that rule and I think he got off a little too easy, but I love how despite that, he isn't exactly cured or just gets over it. In his route, he learns to live with and deal with it. He wasn't completely redeemed, but he is trying hard in his own route, and that's at least respectable, like Renault from Blazing Sword.
TLDR; I get where you're coming from, but Dimitri has redeeming character traits and I don't see him as an example of mental illness. Just a guy dealt a very bad hand who I still think should pay some karmic justice for what he did. I never excused his actions just contextualized them, but at least he's trying and it's not glorified at all like someone like Peri from Fates. She is extremely irredeemable and does close to nothing to improve or reflect on her past and present actions. She's even actively rewarded for the messed up things she did in the past and her psychotic disposition is still aggressively rewarded.
Time to strap in and listen
7:57 that's what happened to me almost 20 years ago. The disappointment! And then I played that era's translation of FE6 and Eliwood was more appreciated as a unit and character.
just got to alm! a great comparison for him is katniss everdeen. her role as the mockingjay is essentially identical to Alm's role as leader of the deliverance
So your saying that Hunger Games is just a rip off of Gaiden?
my favorites are Claude and Seliph, my most hated is easily Edlegard, by far
You need to watch Eliwood support science.
You are entirely wrong on his character
In general I don't trust those who are unable to creat their own opinion but rather follow what is popular
@@eleonorepb4565 your saying that Eliwood is a Popular character.
He is not
Also everything we know and everything we believe is influenced by others. So your statement is meaningless.
Where tf is Oliver
I bet Roy would be fixed if they made his personality something like his Smash counterpart. It's not much, but it won't make him bad AND bland. That would make him the opposite of Corrin, great personality bad unit.
kind of disappointing. i expected an analysis from you experts about how good lords were because of their stats, usefulness in maps, abilities, etc.
Still a good video, but will you consider making a video in that vein in the future? I loved the class and unit ranking videos you've done in the past and expected more of that haha
I feel like if you need to use Orson on that chapter then your opinion is invalid
Based Dimitri at # 1 yessir
In 4:30 scene, Lyn is my favourite FE7 female main character, Because She is very difficult and not normally Eastern Swordmaster girl, And that her outfit(Sky blue mid-thick short sleeve long Cheongsam(Inside is dark green mid-thick short sleeve light armoured ninja suit, dark green mid-thick tight shorts), mid-thick fingerless gloves, Brown flat riding boots(dark green mid-thick tight ninja socks)) and equipment weapons(Mani Katti(Later Athos made Sol Katti to give her strike final boss), All Bow) can make her Strength is mid-high, Skill and Speed is highly, But her Physical defense is medium and Magic defense is mid-low, She good to use range weapon to attack Flying units(Pegasus Knight, Falcon Knight, Wyvern Rider, Wyvern Lord,Wyvern knight) and self-defense and support battle friends. So when I play the FE 7 games, Every remember FE 7 female main character and her outfit.
Lyn wearing battle outfit is cool, She didn't like wearing leggings and heavily armour, Because she like comfortable and to easy move around, And that she can handing Mani Katti or Sol Katti or All Bow, So many player who think she is not only Lord, When she assault to Enemy leader and strike units or destroy enemy supplies, She will change to Ninja outfit and equipment(Take off Cheongsam and riding boot, Only wearing ninja suit and shorts and ninja socks and ninja straw sandals, equipped Mani Katti or Sol Katti and All Bow and Shuriken) going to spy objective, But She really is Myrmidon, Swordmaster, Ninja, Master Ninja, That is awesome and nice pretty Sacaen Eastern shadow samurai-kunoichi princess.
Notice : Funny question, I can't believe in Japanese voice to found voiced by the famous magic girl anime Corrector Yui(Yui Kasuga, She is main Character of Corrector Yui) and Kirby, But that is awesome and very nice and pretty Japanese voice was Lyn.
Hum, some time stamps are a bit weird?
RUclips does time stamps automatically now. More often than not, it is down poorly.
@@AdamWithFED thx for telling me :)
Fire emblem characters were always cool to me never played the game growing up but now I’m buying the games I got 4 fire emblem games now I’m new to the games
Leif isnt rank 1 video 0/10
Every Lord huh? 😂
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Celica being that high is amazing, she's one of my favorites too and I think she gets an unfair amount of hate. also corrin not being dead last, I'll take it LOL
Fun list, but Awful number 1 ;)
The number 1 is valid and too many people like the character now. What you mean?
@@yusifudo46Dimitri îs overrated cuz sad hot edgy lord. Execution wise, Dimitri îs cartoonish and silly. Him seeing the dead people, and then acting like a brainless asshole '' whatever'' îs so hilarious and silly for The wrong reasons. And his redemption, he touches the hand of the avatar god and he îs ok, time to beat the empire. Many people just like how hot and edgy Dimitri îs and they feel sorry for his silly tragedy despite how badly executed it is.
@@mihaimercenarul7467Naw. Y'all just hate what's popular. All the Lords and main characters have the same writing problems and angst among them.
Edelgard feels way more like a main villain then main character, especially with every route but the half baked extra route having her on that side of the story.
Honestly the whole point of the Edelgard sees a deeply flawed and tragic world and thinks it is up to her to fix it at all costs.
The problem is that her view is so deeply clouded by the events of her childhood that she just isn't able to see the real problems with her ideology.
Great villian but some people really miss the light the other paths shed on the fatal flaws with her grand plan.
Honestly villain wise she îs one of The weakest în The franchise
She is an antagonist, but Rhea is just as much of an antagonist as her. The Agarthans are really the only “villains” in the game. Edelgard is still the main character though, the theming of the game is built around her, and that’s extremely literal bc the main theme’s lyrics are from her perspective