Something I noticed about the 3H world… Almyra has some similarities to Valentia too, just like Valm in awakening they are named after Alm.. and in 3Hopes Bernadetta mentions that theres a tree in Almyra that has survived thousands of years, just like the Mila Tree of course this is most likely a reference, i just found it interesting.
Another connection between 3houses and awakening is the pagan statue found in abyss, it has the same looks and functions to that statue in awakening you use to trade renown
3:51 the real Gradivus does appear and play a minor role in the plot of SoV. Marth's Army getting Gradivus in Shadow dragon is non-canon, as the reason camus survived is, because he hold on to Gradivus, while drifting across the ocean
I’ve had an interesting idea for a DLC route for Three Hopes. We’ve seen in Three Houses what happens if Byleth leads the houses, and in Three Hopes what happens if Shez is with the houses. What if in a DLC route for Three Hopes, Byleth and Shez actually team up for the entirety of the story to face a common enemy, and perhaps even, lead all three houses (plus the Ashen Wolves) into a truly united Fódlan.
i love this video, and i think there’s a lot of truth to your theory, but there’s a minor stumbling block for me: at the end of Fates’ Hidden Truths DLC, Anankos uses his magic to cover the fallen Ylisse in flowers and greenery. so we know it wouldn’t be this wasteland where only a few survived.
@@akingbob2669 that doesn’t matter. He didn’t alter his own timeline, he specifically changed the fallen timeline that Severa, Inigo and Owain left behind
@@silvermoon2608 hmm no. That could still work as Ak being a dragon restore the world would still look Sothis doing so to comment man, thus strenthing her daughter idea of them being divine
I mean, he restored the greenery, not the people. Grima still wiped out most of humanity. It’s not like they can just repopulate over night. The human race would still be in disarray in the fallen timeline.
i feel like fodlan could be on another planet entirety! iirc feh mentions how sothis helped civilize other planets. while feh is secondary canon, this could be based on truth. maybe sothis really was the only survivor of the ruined timeline, and decided to venture to other planets. edit: i forgot there’s also evidence in-game for this. somewhere it says she was from the blue sea star, but idk if thats rhea’s false history. the agarthans do call sothis the fell star, though.
@@rhettmitchell my personal headcanon is that Sothis is the daughter of Morgan (with Robin and Tiki as her parents) who after Robins death, Tiki ascension into being the new Naga (as we see in future past) and the Morgan born after the game eventually becoming the new voice of the divine, the future Morgan decided to go traveling through the outrealms and eventually found the blasted remains of the fallen timeline. Future Morgan (maybe inspired by guilt from what she did in future past) decides to stay in this timeline and help humanity any way she could eventually having a daughter Sothis. Sothis and by extension Seiros don’t fully understand the outrealms which over the course of Morgan’s life are lost or destroyed, so as far as the people of Foldan couldn’t comprehend where the Nabateans came from (and even the Nabateans themselves who only reference would be Morgan claiming she came from a different world then this one) that it got construed as being alien in nature instead of inter dimensional
The problem is Sothis supposedly came from beyond the stars, given the Argarthans calling Byleth, Sothis’ reincarnation, Fell Star. The Nabateans having blonde hair around the time of Nemesis also raises questions. Most likely, if there is a connection to Awakening, Sothis herself simply came from the stars to find a world wrecked sometime after Grima’s shenanigans. The place she landed just happened to be Nabata.
Pretty sure the blonde is just hair dye they used to hide the fact they are nabateans back in the day and that you can see the green hair colour they have in the base game in the tips of their hair.
There is also the possibility that the continents mentioned are the same. We can assume it had been thousands of years and potentially even longer between Awakening and 3 Houses. There is the chance it was long enough for the landmasses to shift.
While I can't agree that it is long enough for the landmasses to shift I can definitely concede 1 or both of 2 options: 1st, Due to uber powerful weapons and beings the earth can be distorted magically and destructively 2nd, Ancient map makers were just incorrect with what the land actually looked like. Looking at maps made by real life ancient people and then comparing them to what we today know to be real, well, it's a strong argument in my opinion
I mean. What if Three Houses actually take place before? Specifically known experiments of manipulating dragon blood is something known in the old lore. And that seams to be rather singular event.
Would it be interesting if, somehow during the four routes in Three Houses, either Edelgard, Dimitri, Byleth, or Claude went to the ruins of Ylisse after Lucina, her 11 friends and, unknown to them, the Grima-possessed Robin went back in time in order to (for Lucina and her friends) save Chrom and his army as well as Grima making sure that Robin becomes the Fell Dragon in Awakening, to find the three Regalia, now rusted completely? I can just imagine that becoming a DLC map in Three Houses, but that's just my theory.
There is one problem with the nabata angle. It's stated by the agarthians that Sothis came from beyond the stars, which is why she is called the fell star.
I think the Agarthans just assumed she came from the stars due to her immense power, as since she came from a "faraway place" which could easily be Elibe or any other continent. Lots of stuff surrounding Sothis is either made-up or exaggerated as Rhea tried to prop her up as much as possible.
@@AmirPrinceling Sothis herself states to byleth in three hopes "Behold the power I've acquired at the edge of time and space". I feel like that's pretty on the nose.
@@twistednwarped314 Ah I've yet to play Three Hopes myself, but still I doubt she's literally referring to space but rather existence as a whole, as space is just another word for existence. Wouldn't really make as much sense if she was equating outer space to time, concepts that aren't necessarily connected, as opposed to time and existence.
@@AmirPrinceling Fair point however there are many lines of dialogue and lore that states she came "from the stars". On top of that I actually think that instead of a linear timeline the game are by a multiverse due to something that happens at the end of one of three hopes storylines. I don't wanna spoil anything so I'll just say it's highly reminiscent of the "other realm" from fates, which was shown to be used by Owain and others from awakening to reach the Fates world and they even talk about how many worlds they've visited to try to save their own. Add to that how Sothis shares quite a few similarities with tiki, hair color, ears, eye color, even stature as well as more than likely being capable of transforming between human and dragon forms and it becomes almost blatantly obvious that she is in fact from another world. Just not actually from space. Which would be easily explained since trying to tell primitive ppl you came from another universe in the multiverse would be harder than simply saying she came from another world.
@@twistednwarped314 @Twistedn warped @Twistedn warped I appreciate you not spoiling, but I really believe Sothis is not actually from an alternate universe or anything and her being "from the stars" is just a romanticization of the truth. Sort of like how characters like Naga were glorified and praised as if they were gods, when in reality they weren't. Just beings of great power, which, to common people, is enough to qualify as a god. Also, Rhea is shown to have glorified her to an extreme degree in order to prop her up as a Goddess of Fodlan. There is definitely a FE Multiverse, of sorts, but personally I believe all the games take place in one world, there's just a multiverse to accomodate the differing paths of certain games. When it comes to the Awakening Trio in Fates, we find out in Hidden Truths they were brought to the world of Fates through Anankos's power rather than the Outrealms/Dragon's Gate. Though the thing about that is Nohr/Hoshido are strongly implied to be in the distant past (Rhajat's dialogue confirms she'd reincarnate into Tharja, which also implies reincarnation for Asugi and Caeldori as well). Anankos states in Hidden Truths how he'll be transporting Inigo, Severa, and Owain through time, but gives them Crystals that'll transport them back either to the present (with Chrom and the gang) or to their own "world" (the ruined future), which pretty much confirms Awakening is Fates' future and that the ruined timeline is another world/universe. In regards to Sothis and Tiki's similarities, I definitely believe Sothis and her children are Divine Dragons, though not all Divine Dragons are related but many still share certain features. Most of them have Green hair, such as Duma and Mila, who are siblings, but not related to Naga and Tiki. Plus, I find there are still a number of connections within Three Houses that hint at it taking place in the same world as at least the Archanea games, such as the appearance of the Regalia weapons, Morfis and it's stark similarity to that of Thabes in Archanea, and also just the fact that the director, when asked if Three Houses had any direct connections to previous games, mentioned Archanea, which tells us that they're connected in some way, which implies they are also of the same world or else he wouldn't have even mentioned Archanea by name.
I really wish youtube would've suggested this video to me, since I weatch alot Fire Emblem videos. But no, I had to search for a FE3H timeline video. Glad I found this, I loved it. Gonna watch the entire timeline video soon as well!
You did a great job with your interpretation of the Fire Emblem timeline, I can definitely see you put a lot of time and effort into it. However, I personally have a bit of a different idea of the order of the games. Though, for starters, I feel that Kusakihara's quote about the game not being connected to the other games is more of him saying it's not directly connected, as in the same sentence he brings up the possibility of there being "some mysteries in the land of Archanea that we don’t know about yet" which would suggest they are in fact in the same world, their worldbuilding just isn't directly connected, but maybe more indirect connections. Also, when it comes to DLC, I don't personally consider the majority of the Xenologues canon as they are more-or-less simply fanservice and are more or less just for fun. However, The Future Past/Heirs of Fate DLCs and the Scramble DLCs are definitely canon in my eyes as they are actually relevant to the story rather than just being there for gold or skills or whatnot. With Infinite Regalia, I can understand your reasoning though you can get practically every weapon in the game there, including Ragnell, so I don't think their acquisition by the party is necessarily canon. Plus, there are hints to suggest that there are more copies of the Regalia, though I'll go into specifics in a bit. I guess the notion that the 1st Generation of Awakening's units ended up as Deadlords could itself be canon, but I personally believe that the party we play as meeting them isn't. One more thing, I feel the Fates DLC where Corrin meets Chrom isn't canon itself, as it is clearly more of a fanservice DLC just to giveaway the class seal, but the information that, to Ylisse, Nohr and Hoshido are mythical kingdoms is canon. And one last thing, I feel that every game takes place in the same continuity, just obviously a few extra instances to account for Fates/Three Houses. Anyways, here's the timeline I've thought up, including any events I feel play a major role in determining a game's placement: >Path of Radiance >Radiant Dawn --The Scouring --War between First Dragons --The Ending Winter --First Dragons Ascend >Fates >Genealogy of the Holy War /Thracia 776 >Blazing Sword >Binding Blade >Shadow Dragon >Shadows of Valentia >New Mystery of the Emblem --Nada Kuya journeys from a foreign nation, wielding a "Falchion >Sacred Stones >Three Houses/ Three Hopes >Awakening
I'll go into specifics about each game's placement, but first I'll elaborate on the events I singled out. The Scouring and The Ending Winter: The Scouring is actually a very pivotal event. Or more specifically, The Ending Winter that takes place during this war. The Ending Winter is an event described as "a series of elemental imbalances" causes by the immensely powerful Legendary Weapons wielded by the Eight Legends. This event forced dragons to seal the majority of their power into stones in order to survive and assume human form. This is extremely important as this event is more or less referenced in the official timelines for Archanea/Jugdral/Valentia, as seen here: fireemblemwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Archanea,_Valentia_and_Jugdral In this timeline, during the year 180 (Grann) does the decline of dragons suddenly occur. This is when Naga instructs her fellow dragons to seal their powers within stones so they may survive and not suffer degeneration. I believe this is exactly when the Ending Winter occurs, though it is not called that here due to the fact The Scouring happened far away from Archanea, Valentia, and Jugral, all the way in Elibe, so naturally they wouldn't have any idea what cause it specifically. I truly believe Binding Blade was made to explain this event that previously was left ambiguous as to what the actual cause was. But the reason I believe this event is important is this: Manaketes didn't exist before this point. Or rather, they never needed stones. In Tellius, all the Laguz have no need of stones in order to transform. But when the Ending Winter occurs and the elemental imbalances happen, those who are capable of transforming can no longer do so for as long as they once did, forcing them to seal their powers within stones (including Beast units). First Dragons Ascend: The First Dragons were twelve dragons who warred with each other in order to determine who would rule the land in the past of Fates. However, they started to degenerate, so most of them ended their own lives so as to avoid degeneration (this information is mostly found in the Ancient Texts in the Records Hall). Anankos was one of the First Dragons and was the guardian of the Kingdom of Valla. Rather than shed his mortal shell, like his brethren, he instead opted to stay behind as the Figurehead of Valla, which implies that he spent most time in dragonform and over-utilizing his powers, which made him continue to degenerate. As a sidenote, it's shown that when dragons overuse their power (be they manakete or not), they begin to degenerate. This is why Tiki was put to sleep by Naga in order to avoid degeneration and why Tiki as an adult must go to great lengths in order to restrain her power so to avoid degenerating. We see two instances of Divine Dragons degenerating from overusing their power with Mila and Duma, as both spend a lot of their power in order to keep their respective part of Valentia going. Anyways, I believe that The Ending Winter happened right during the war between the First Dragons, which is why they all suddenly began to degenerate at once. Anankos also seems to have been in his dragon form constantly, which would imply that was what he was used to. It is also stated that he had a dragonstone in which he sealed his powers within, but as I said sealing your powers within a stone won't stop you from degeneration if you continue to overuse said powers. Nada Kuya: This event is a much more obscure and could very well be a nod, but I feel it fits a bit too well to be an event that directly connects Magvel to Valentia. Nada Kuya is a character talked about in Saleh's supports with Eirika: "Saleh: Well, in ancient times, Caer Pelyn was invaded by a foreign nation. Eirika: Really? Saleh: And leading the charge against the invaders was Nada Kuya. She carried a narrow sword made from a fang gifted to her by the dragonkin. With her dragon blade in her hand, she drove Caer Pelyn's enemies away." She wielded "a blade gifted to her by the dragonkin" which is most likely a Falchion. Also, the name Nada Kuya sounds foreign to Magvel, which is why I believe that Nada Kuya instead came to Magvel from Valentia with Alm's Falchion in hand. I believe this because her name sounds similar to that of Kamui, Say'ri, and Yen'fay, all residents of Valentia/Chon'sin and also in Awakening, Valentia's Falchion is notably absent, even though Walhart would be able to use it due to being of Alm and Celica's bloodline. And also, Magvel is in itself a reference to Gaiden, due to its world map and the monsters, which is why I feel this was more of a connection rather than a little easter egg, and also and also an explanation for Walhart's inexplicable lack of the Falchion and a way of connecting Magvel to the other games. One last thing is the Outrealms and Dragon's Gate. If Fates truly took place within the world on the other side of the Dragon's Gate, there would be little use for transformation stones and Anankos and the other First Dragons wouldn't have degenerated. I believe the Outrealms and Dragon's Gate are simply the same thing but just differing names. Both are capable of traversing to other world's/dimensions and even times. Now I'll expand upon the placements for the games.
Tellius: Tellius clearly takes place at the beginning, as most theorize, due to it being a creation story. One thing I feel is not though too much though is The Great Flood that, supposedly, sunk all the lands into the ocean by Tellius itself. I personally believe The Great Flood left more lands still standing, more specifically the lands of the other games. For starters, Nailah's nation of Hatari was thought to have been swallowed up by the flood, as we see in Dheginsea's boss conversation with Nailah: "Dheginsea: You... are of the wolf people Nailah: Yes. After the floods, we built our country to the east of the great desert. Dheginsea: ...So we weren't the only ones to survive..." This conversation felt like a hint that more lands than we thought had survived the flood. Also, the most major piece of evidence is Ike. In his ending, he leaves Tellius. "Once he saw stability returned, Ike left on a journey to lands still unknown. He was never seen again." Him leaving on a journey for lands still unknown implies that he did indeed find them, since he never returned. Fates: -Rhajat, Caeldori, and Asugi are implied to later reincarnate into Tharja, Cordelia, and Gaius respectively. The main evidence for this is Rhajat's death quote: “I see...a distant sandstorm. Will you be there waiting?” That would also imply that Corrin would also later reincarnate into Robin. There's also Rhajat and Corrin's A support which has her foretelling that they'd meet meet again in their future lives, though this part of their A Support is exclusive to the Japanese version of the game. pastebin.com/e5fpH6m6 Anna also has a number of interesting lines in My Castle: “All of our legends so far are about dragon gods. I wonder if all of humanity's big adventures are still waiting for us...” (In this this world, there aren't any sagas about Heroes. There are only legends created by this world about dragon gods. Everything in the legends of the people are things that will happen in the future from now.) -Japanese version of the other line. -Japanese-exclusive "There is someone in this world who might be like you. They might even be born later from now." "What do you think about having a small shop in this room? Let's see, about the name... How about 'The Secret Shop'?" ruclips.net/video/qHsKFYMwTOo/видео.html These lines imply that the world itself is still relatively new and there haven't been many truly notable events that have happened yet. Also, The Secret Shop line could imply that the Fates Anna was the first Anna to open a Secret Shop, something run by Annas in most of the other games (barring Tellius and Valentia). Though all these lines could easily be seen as just nods and whatnot, I still feel it's plausible to say that Fates happened in the distant past, as the kingdoms are seen as mythical by those in Ylisse, which is another reason I placed it after Tellius and before Jugdral. Jugdral: Jugdral doesn't require too much explanation, however one of the reasons it takes place before Elibe is because of the timeline linked before. If the Ending Winter happened in year 180 of the Grann Calendar and the events of Elibe occur 2000 years after, that would place the Elibe games after Jugdral since the Jugdral games start in the Grann year 757. Elibe: More or less already explained its placement, but another reason is the fact that Karel and Karla are heavily hinted in their supports to be from Jugdral and of the Od bloodline. The other games don't require too much explanation, barring Fodlan. Fodlan and Magvel are interchangable in their placements, the main thing is that Fodlan takes place after Archanea and before Awakening. One of the reasons is, in fact, the Regalia. Archanea's Regalia are stated to have been stolen from "an unidentified origin" by the thief Adrah, the weapons then going on to becoming legendary weapons of Archanea. Their presence in Fodlan and Kusakihara's mention of Archanea tell me that the Regalia, while legendary in Archanea, are actually just extremely powerful that can be forged in Fodlan. Also, I believe that Adrah is from Fodlan and perhaps fled Fodlan during one of its past wars. Another piece of evidence I have is Morfis. In one of the books in the library is a book that details the various countries and places of Fodlan and near it. One such place is Morfis, which is in the lower-right of Fodlan's map. This city, once known as "The City of Ilusion", is a magic metropolis within an immense desert. This is almost exactly like the City of Thabes, which was a desert city that Duma destroyed in the past, the ruins then being named "The City of Ilusion". Also, to the south of Thabes lies Khadein, which is a desert city of magic and scholars. The shape of Morfis also looks just like a piece of land to the top-left of Archanea's map. What I believe is later on, Thabes would be revitalized by mages and scholars from Khadein and become Morfis. Archanea and Fodlan being near each other would definitely explain the origins of the Regalia and even Adrah himself. And that's that. I honestly got a little carried away there, but I've always been extremely passionate about finding connections between the various games as I've always wanted to prove that they all take place within the same world. Hopefully everything didn't come across too jumbled, as there's a lot of evidence I wanted to relay, hopefully I didn't forget to mention anything. Again, great work on the video, I wish I saw more people theorizing about Fire Emblem lore.
I would argue that fates, Warriors, Heros and Engage all are on the same timeline stemming from the use and perfection of dimension magic. I would argue that it was Anankos creation of this magic allowing individuals to manipulate time and space to pull people into other dimensions was the catalyst for the events of Warriors. After the kingdom of Valm collapses long after fates the chaos dragon and his followers learn of anankos dimension magic and uses it to try and consume other dimensions leading to the story of warriors with rift gates opening up all over the place. After the events of warriors this dimension magic was studied and perfected over time allowing summoners to call forth veritable armies from thin air (Hero’s), however overtime this became too resource intensive (insert wallet hurting from buying orbs here) forcing the mages to find an alternative so instead of summoning hero’s from other dimensions they made simulacrums of them to inhabit rings and bracelets allowing even the most meager soldier to fight with the skills of a hero and have their guidance that is the story of fire emblem engage And before anyone talks about how can Corrin be pulled into warriors if she was part of that timeline. The magic being used by the chaos dragon is based of anankos magic which as we saw with the xenolouges where he pulls Owain Severa and Inigo into Valm post awakening only for later in the game to have a misson where the party goes back to ylliese before chapter 1 of awakening, this shows that time manipulation is just as much part of this magic as dimension hoping
Also Tokyo mirage session is actually part of the timeline. It’s directly linked to the bad ending of New mystery of the emblem where Gharnef tricks Marth and Kris and fake his death allowing him to revive Medeus in secret and with the army having been disbanded to try and focus on repairs the kingdom of Archena was caught completely off guard by Medeus sudden appearance leading to some characters being banished/retreat to the idolasphere the pocket reality between dimensions (to be fair in the context of the greater timeline it’s probably just a renamed outrealm)
If that were true, then Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is possible, because this can bring Marth, Lucina, Roy, Ike, Chrom, Corrin, Robin, and Byleth from entire timeline into one point of time.
@@chargeminecraft I mean hell if you had the amiibos from smash Wii U there was a little story attached to each character before you fought them with Lucina, Ike, Robin, and Marth all talking about being in a place with the most unusual fighters they have ever seen in a place of endlessly testing each other’s battle prowess
@@chargeminecraft with the realization that Tokyo mirage session is a result of Naga creating a hole in the dimensions to save some of the cast of fire emblem 1 it actually makes more sense why the cast of Fire emblem new mystery of the emblem, awakening and fates were dragged in to the events of warriors, there are already holes linking different times and dimensions in those games, it actually makes a lot of sense why it would be those characters who would be pulled from their reality over other characters,
For engage. I believe it took place during the tail end or the beginning of the golden age of dragons and they are the ones responsible for the creation of the gates. All for the use of using the nexus worlds to help summone hero’s from past and present. Plus as that empire was ended because of the fell/dark dragons it fits. Also the empire was of a hidden land and relitivly small so it stayed out of the other continent dealings which helps cover inconsistencies. But their were only 4 dragons you may be asking. Yes and I believe altier and his sister were prity much adem and eve (not together) for the species wich helped in the citation of the malikar as they could not sire a pure blood dragon but half. So the only devin dragons left were the ones not even their.
I really enjoyed this timeline video and also the old one. Helps me appreciate the history of Fire emblem more and hopeful for remakes of the old games since the oldest game I played was Awakening. One of my absolute favorites. You think you gonna do another timeline update with Fire Emblem engage and new books from FE Heroes?
My guess would be Engage takes place In the Far future of the Fodland Timeline because proof of three houses does exist. or in its own pocket dimension
@@GenMars I apologize I am just seeing this. The Emblem Rings themselves for Byleth and the Bracelet for the House Leaders. I've a theory that The rings are Einherjar as they're aware they arent the original forms of the heroes stated by Marth to Sombron himself when saying "You may even find the hero of the Ring you search for yourself but it wont be him." But it would indicate that It indeed happens after awakening with my Einherjar theory and after Three Houses/Hopes. Yes we never see Einherjar by name of those characters but I think that is more from it not being a returning feature than it not being possible. We saw that practically anyone in the world could be one in Fates.
So in short, it's like breath of the wild . It dose take part in the timeline, the ruined that is, but is far in too the future that It doesn't matter. Right? Edit: misspellings
Honestly I love this timeline even if it’s not completely accurate, and for those that say that Sothis is a Goddess that came from the stars, that doesn’t change things much as she could still have arrived in the Fallen Timeline and helped the remnants of humanity survive and rebuild. Now for Sacred Stones, well there’s two ways I can actually see it happen: 1. This being after Grima’s escape at the end of Echoes but before Awakening given how by that time Grima’s influence and creation of the prototype undead for the Risen and offering power to followers could lead to the creation of the Demon King and his undead army until they were all sealed away in the Sacred Stones, and eventually cue the events of the game. OR- 2. That this is actually set on the Fallen Timeline before Sothis’ arrival where the remaining undead and followers of Grima left in the future were taken over by the Demon Lord until the creation of discovery of the Sacred Stones that led to the sealing of the evil forces, and eventually the events of the game, with this happening either before or parallel to Three Houses-Hopes. Lastly, we have Engage, which pretty much takes place on yet another timeline of it’s own that also connects to the wider multiverse. Regardless I do hope to see more of this in the future! GOOD LUCK!
That's actually pretty wild and plausible that the 3H timeslines take place after the fallen timeline, even considering the reparations done by Anankos in Fates' Hidden Truths DLC.
2:47 All I can say for sure is they basically will both sit in the same place on the timeline, similar to the 3 Fates games, given 3 Hopes is an alternate universe version of 3 Houses.
Little important note about the story of heroes : You the summoner is canon and takes a huge part in the recent book 5 and 6. Since you hhe summoner can summon any God/Heroe from any point in time whenever you want to sertain people view the wapon you vield as very powerful and even tryed to recreate it. Since book 6 isnt completed yet we will see how the conflict between Embla and Askr (the city not the god) ends.
I feel like, with tectonic plates & the ever shifting of locations over long periods of time, I would be surprised is areas DIDN’T look different between some games. This very well could be a part of the world after a few thousands years.
A few thousand years is not enough for a land to look different unless something significant happened. Changes on earth naturally happened over the period of millions of years. Humans also were 100% not able to make any significant changes to the world itself in fire emblem i mean come on those guys didn't develop at all over the period of thousands of years
I just watched the first video on this cuz i wanna get into FE since i like some of the FE characters in smash but I can't see myself playing any of the FE games since i'm not rlly into the strategy gameplay so i figured why not at least learn the story... now, given that i understand correctly and there is in fact a canonical multiverse in this series, that technically means that literally anything under the title of Fire Emblem is considered canon and connected through the multiverse as a multiverse is generally infinite with infinite possibilities. it just doesn't have to be in the same universe.
Source Gaming well i did years ago create the One Fire Emblem Universe where all FE game worlds were one world existing in same world as Legend of Zelda, and likes of Marth traveled to like Jugdral and Tellius and so forth. Tellius possibly exists cause in Awakening you meet Priam who wields the Ragnell and in Awakening apparently they have heard of the Radiant Hero Aka Ike, Genealogy of Holy War might be in same world as Shadow Dragon given that Naga is mentioned and that the crusaders have blood of naga in them from what i read. the Dragon's Gate from Binding Blade could possibly lead to other FE worlds, the Outrealms in Awakening and Fates certainly do, cause Severa, Owain and Inigo end up in Fates' world via outrealm gate, so anything is possible. anyways this is interesting, I love Three Houses and I am sure i will love Three Hopes
That means humans with a crest are part dragon. And Bythe is half dragon because of his mother also would explain why he or she didn’t survive since she or he is a Hybrid.
Thanks for the video, I do think the crest stones you see in New Game+ can hold some secrets of the world, where we can find the name of dragons I dare to say those dragons are the same that helped in Genealogy, they are way to similar
You know the era where you said there was no games set in I think 3 houses is set in that era as (spoiler alert)lady rhea turns into a dragon without using a stone
On top of that huge plot point of experiments on the dragon bloodline and drags as deities hiding they nature. So it would make sense if Three Houses would take place after Radiant Down. Rhea could be Naga (especially as she was using several names already).
now I just want to know where engage comes in this timeline, like I know it's from a completely new different timeline or it's possibly a continuation of Heroes set thousand of years in the future (due to the costume set, as well as weapons that came with the dlc), all I know is that it's set far in the future considering what byleth is in that game
Multiverses in video games are the lazy way to explain contradictions and minor references. But I think the whole point of the dragon's gate and other worlds being shoved into the series was to give hints as to why FE6 had no references to past games. No Naga, no crossover characters, etc. They probably wanted to try brand new standalone stories after the changes in leadership post-FE5. Awakening was a celebration of all the games intended as a farewell to the series which was struggling at the time. Now as for the reoccurring special weapons, I feel they're more like easter eggs than lore especially when you have to go out of your way to get them like in 3H.
A very vague assumption about Sacred Stone. Could the HC be the children of the rescued boy from FE7 who disappeared through the gate? Same hair color. I am very thankful for this timeline.
So i have an idea for where engage fits in. It has the byleth emblem but not the shez emblem, so i think that engage is at the end of the timeline for three houses. But that is all the information i have have because i have not played the game. But thank you so much for this timeline!
Ik the director said they dont think 3h is connected to any other game but i have just beaten fe7 and i cannot be convinced that the dragons from a "far away" that established the Civilization of nabatea in fodlan are in no way connected to the nabata desert of the continent of elibe where many dragon lived before the majority were chased off and fled their world through the dragon gate.
Are you going to do a 2.5 update for FE Engage? x) I have no idea how that would tie to any or all of them as it doesn't look like there are dragon gates but literally all the hero characters know each other.
Your theory is disproven because Sothis is from space according to most sources and Rhea as she states that she may have come from another galaxy meaning Sothis is a Galaxy dragon
They said "she came from the stars", given how superstitious medieval people were and the fact Sothis is literally a dragon that could probably fly kinda just doesn't really let that argument hold any proper water. And hey, maybe she did turn up from another world, possibly the same way the Rainbow Sage and co. turned up in Fates, through one of those gates to escape the Scouring
I’ll say again here, three houses is it’s own separate game and timeline. It’s not part of the fire emblem series. For one, sothis is the progenitor god, second, she controls time and no one else possesses it besides her, third, she has the ability to create life like the goddess from the mainline in the fire emblem series. And lastly, if you pay attention to the story in three houses it sorta hints us about how the new timeline will go depending on which path we take, eldgards path leads us to something completely new in the fire emblem series, dimitris and Claud’s stay with the same old fire emblem story arc or the churches path where we get something kinda the same but different at the same time since we get a human like god as the god/hero of the world.
Naga in awakening has the power to send Chrom and friends into the future. So if we are just theorizing a timeline then it wouldn’t be a stretch that Sothis and Naga came from the same family line. And just like in the backstory of Naga, Duma, and Mila they weren’t gods but divine dragons but the humans considered them as gods for their level of insight and strength. So I think it makes sense for three houses to be in a timeline for fire emblem.
In a few endings with Dimitri, Claude, and Byleth in routes other than Crimson Flower, it’s also said that they eventually make reforms resembling that of Edelgard’s goals as well. It just takes a while longer and it’s more implicit. Especially with Claude and his breaking down the boundaries of Fódlan
I can debunk this theory based on one simple fact. Rhea at the end of Silver Snow goes through a sort of accelerated madness because she can't contain her Dragon Power. Similar to what the other Dragons go through. So in conclusion it is part of the Camon Timeline.
Maybe you can glean some new info on the interconnection of all the games through FE Engage considering it brings back all the major heroes and they have support conversations...but then again, engage doesn't seem to take itself that serious in terms of story. No idea how it connects.
@@load-bearingcoconut5586 Definitely could be! I just look at the Western and Eastern coasts of Fodlan and see Freila and Rausten. And the way the southern part of Fodlan just looks like a reformed Grado
While you've corrected some of your incorrect pronounciation from the first video, Archanea and Falchion are still wildly off. Arch-an-nea, not Arch-nea, Fal-chi-on, not Falk-ion
If Sombron is a fell dragon like Grima, then is it possible that Sombron is a reincarnation of Grima or a son of Grima (Consider the fact the next 1000 years, Grima went into hiding, married someone, then have Sombron as a son, and Grima got killed by Sombron years later)?
That makes no sense. Grima had no chance to do that or reason. He couldn't have kids when he was in hiding because he didn't have a body that time(talking about when he was just a soul). The only time he was running wild was the original lucina timeline but he didn't have any reasons to have kids there he most likely just killed everything in his wake. Well there is also the time of the first exalt but from the dialogue in game we can lretty much infare he wasn't running wild for too long
@@chargeminecraft i don't know if you watched the previous timeline video but in it was said thay first grima was sealed in a lab so he couldn't really do anything and that then alm killed grima's body as well with his falcion so he had no body the same happened with the first exalt
I know technically this is a theory but I don't like how thousands and thousands and thousands of years pass in this timeline yet all the games in this franchise are like medieval knightly settings. Like how are there no advancements in technology? I know it's a fan theory but I like the idea of none of the games being connected unless officially said. Although I don't like how it's Jugdral -> Valentia and Archanea -> Ylisse and Valm because that takes thousands and thousands of years but it only seems like it should take place only a couple hundred years apart
I mean... its weird, yeah, but it's fiction, and in the wide and wacky world of fiction, anything is possible. Even the halting of technological advancements.
@@dantelawrence4676 Good point, not to mention the amount of near world ending events that keep happening along with considering the existence of Magic could probably make people less likely to advance in the same way real civilisations did
There is one big problem with this theory: Sothis is a god. As in, the game itself confirms that she is a god. The Agarthans trap for Byleth can only be escaped with the power of a god. Ergo since Byleth escaped, Sothis must be a god which destroys the timeline.
Maybe Fodlan isn't in the same setting as all previous 15 Fire Emblem games, but it takes place in another planet. This is the one of the first Fire Emblem games that doesn't have the Fire Emblem relic or any Manakete or Lazguz races, only the Children of the Goddess. This may be a crack pot theory, but I think that Fodlan is the continent west of Thedas, the setting of the Dragon Age series. Think about it, both games are about selfish and snobby politics, corrupt religion, characters who have the worst childhood, each country warring against on another and the Main Character is just a self insert so the players can romance their favorite companions.
I think that was more of poetic way of saying she came from somewhere else. Rhea made up a lot of stuff about Sothis in order to form a religion around her.
I always assumed that Sothis escaped to another world during the scouring like the events in Fates
think based on what he said
We can agree that Ashnera is Arceus of the series
While Sothis being the mother of dragons is MEW xD
Something I noticed about the 3H world… Almyra has some similarities to Valentia too, just like Valm in awakening they are named after Alm.. and in 3Hopes Bernadetta mentions that theres a tree in Almyra that has survived thousands of years, just like the Mila Tree
of course this is most likely a reference, i just found it interesting.
Another connection between 3houses and awakening is the pagan statue found in abyss, it has the same looks and functions to that statue in awakening you use to trade renown
3:51 the real Gradivus does appear and play a minor role in the plot of SoV. Marth's Army getting Gradivus in Shadow dragon is non-canon, as the reason camus survived is, because he hold on to Gradivus, while drifting across the ocean
But Gradivus reapears as hardin weapon in Mistery of the emblem, before Camus returns and meet Marths army
I’ve had an interesting idea for a DLC route for Three Hopes. We’ve seen in Three Houses what happens if Byleth leads the houses, and in Three Hopes what happens if Shez is with the houses. What if in a DLC route for Three Hopes, Byleth and Shez actually team up for the entirety of the story to face a common enemy, and perhaps even, lead all three houses (plus the Ashen Wolves) into a truly united Fódlan.
i love this video, and i think there’s a lot of truth to your theory, but there’s a minor stumbling block for me: at the end of Fates’ Hidden Truths DLC, Anankos uses his magic to cover the fallen Ylisse in flowers and greenery. so we know it wouldn’t be this wasteland where only a few survived.
Yeah but Fates is in an alternate timeline
@@akingbob2669 that doesn’t matter. He didn’t alter his own timeline, he specifically changed the fallen timeline that Severa, Inigo and Owain left behind
@@silvermoon2608 hmm no. That could still work as Ak being a dragon restore the world would still look Sothis doing so to comment man, thus strenthing her daughter idea of them being divine
I mean, he restored the greenery, not the people. Grima still wiped out most of humanity. It’s not like they can just repopulate over night. The human race would still be in disarray in the fallen timeline.
i feel like fodlan could be on another planet entirety! iirc feh mentions how sothis helped civilize other planets. while feh is secondary canon, this could be based on truth. maybe sothis really was the only survivor of the ruined timeline, and decided to venture to other planets.
edit: i forgot there’s also evidence in-game for this. somewhere it says she was from the blue sea star, but idk if thats rhea’s false history. the agarthans do call sothis the fell star, though.
I had the theory that the star sothis came from is actually a dragon gate of sort.
Yeah it’s definitely heavily implied Sothis and the Nabateans are aliens, not even from the same planet
@@rhettmitchell my personal headcanon is that Sothis is the daughter of Morgan (with Robin and Tiki as her parents) who after Robins death, Tiki ascension into being the new Naga (as we see in future past) and the Morgan born after the game eventually becoming the new voice of the divine, the future Morgan decided to go traveling through the outrealms and eventually found the blasted remains of the fallen timeline. Future Morgan (maybe inspired by guilt from what she did in future past) decides to stay in this timeline and help humanity any way she could eventually having a daughter Sothis. Sothis and by extension Seiros don’t fully understand the outrealms which over the course of Morgan’s life are lost or destroyed, so as far as the people of Foldan couldn’t comprehend where the Nabateans came from (and even the Nabateans themselves who only reference would be Morgan claiming she came from a different world then this one) that it got construed as being alien in nature instead of inter dimensional
The problem is Sothis supposedly came from beyond the stars, given the Argarthans calling Byleth, Sothis’ reincarnation, Fell Star. The Nabateans having blonde hair around the time of Nemesis also raises questions.
Most likely, if there is a connection to Awakening, Sothis herself simply came from the stars to find a world wrecked sometime after Grima’s shenanigans. The place she landed just happened to be Nabata.
Pretty sure the blonde is just hair dye they used to hide the fact they are nabateans back in the day and that you can see the green hair colour they have in the base game in the tips of their hair.
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Eh, I doubt it… why hide the fact that they’re Nabateans when that’s probably irrelevant to any not of TWSITD?
@@stevenchoza6391 because they were fighting TWSITD and Nemesis?
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And? What are they going to do about it?
@@stevenchoza6391 kill them for their bones lol
There is also the possibility that the continents mentioned are the same. We can assume it had been thousands of years and potentially even longer between Awakening and 3 Houses. There is the chance it was long enough for the landmasses to shift.
While I can't agree that it is long enough for the landmasses to shift I can definitely concede 1 or both of 2 options:
1st, Due to uber powerful weapons and beings the earth can be distorted magically and destructively
2nd, Ancient map makers were just incorrect with what the land actually looked like.
Looking at maps made by real life ancient people and then comparing them to what we today know to be real, well, it's a strong argument in my opinion
I mean. What if Three Houses actually take place before? Specifically known experiments of manipulating dragon blood is something known in the old lore. And that seams to be rather singular event.
Now we need an update for engage! I really like this timeline so please keep up the great work!
Fire emblem lore is so interesting thank you for this
Would it be interesting if, somehow during the four routes in Three Houses, either Edelgard, Dimitri, Byleth, or Claude went to the ruins of Ylisse after Lucina, her 11 friends and, unknown to them, the Grima-possessed Robin went back in time in order to (for Lucina and her friends) save Chrom and his army as well as Grima making sure that Robin becomes the Fell Dragon in Awakening, to find the three Regalia, now rusted completely?
I can just imagine that becoming a DLC map in Three Houses, but that's just my theory.
Thanks for this amazing video! Can't wait to see where the new fire emblem fits the time line!
There is one problem with the nabata angle. It's stated by the agarthians that Sothis came from beyond the stars, which is why she is called the fell star.
I think the Agarthans just assumed she came from the stars due to her immense power, as since she came from a "faraway place" which could easily be Elibe or any other continent. Lots of stuff surrounding Sothis is either made-up or exaggerated as Rhea tried to prop her up as much as possible.
@@AmirPrinceling Sothis herself states to byleth in three hopes "Behold the power I've acquired at the edge of time and space". I feel like that's pretty on the nose.
@@twistednwarped314 Ah I've yet to play Three Hopes myself, but still I doubt she's literally referring to space but rather existence as a whole, as space is just another word for existence. Wouldn't really make as much sense if she was equating outer space to time, concepts that aren't necessarily connected, as opposed to time and existence.
@@AmirPrinceling Fair point however there are many lines of dialogue and lore that states she came "from the stars". On top of that I actually think that instead of a linear timeline the game are by a multiverse due to something that happens at the end of one of three hopes storylines. I don't wanna spoil anything so I'll just say it's highly reminiscent of the "other realm" from fates, which was shown to be used by Owain and others from awakening to reach the Fates world and they even talk about how many worlds they've visited to try to save their own. Add to that how Sothis shares quite a few similarities with tiki, hair color, ears, eye color, even stature as well as more than likely being capable of transforming between human and dragon forms and it becomes almost blatantly obvious that she is in fact from another world. Just not actually from space. Which would be easily explained since trying to tell primitive ppl you came from another universe in the multiverse would be harder than simply saying she came from another world.
@@twistednwarped314 @Twistedn warped @Twistedn warped I appreciate you not spoiling, but I really believe Sothis is not actually from an alternate universe or anything and her being "from the stars" is just a romanticization of the truth. Sort of like how characters like Naga were glorified and praised as if they were gods, when in reality they weren't. Just beings of great power, which, to common people, is enough to qualify as a god. Also, Rhea is shown to have glorified her to an extreme degree in order to prop her up as a Goddess of Fodlan. There is definitely a FE Multiverse, of sorts, but personally I believe all the games take place in one world, there's just a multiverse to accomodate the differing paths of certain games.
When it comes to the Awakening Trio in Fates, we find out in Hidden Truths they were brought to the world of Fates through Anankos's power rather than the Outrealms/Dragon's Gate. Though the thing about that is Nohr/Hoshido are strongly implied to be in the distant past (Rhajat's dialogue confirms she'd reincarnate into Tharja, which also implies reincarnation for Asugi and Caeldori as well). Anankos states in Hidden Truths how he'll be transporting Inigo, Severa, and Owain through time, but gives them Crystals that'll transport them back either to the present (with Chrom and the gang) or to their own "world" (the ruined future), which pretty much confirms Awakening is Fates' future and that the ruined timeline is another world/universe.
In regards to Sothis and Tiki's similarities, I definitely believe Sothis and her children are Divine Dragons, though not all Divine Dragons are related but many still share certain features. Most of them have Green hair, such as Duma and Mila, who are siblings, but not related to Naga and Tiki. Plus, I find there are still a number of connections within Three Houses that hint at it taking place in the same world as at least the Archanea games, such as the appearance of the Regalia weapons, Morfis and it's stark similarity to that of Thabes in Archanea, and also just the fact that the director, when asked if Three Houses had any direct connections to previous games, mentioned Archanea, which tells us that they're connected in some way, which implies they are also of the same world or else he wouldn't have even mentioned Archanea by name.
As I am in the process of writing a 3 Hopes fanfic, I am "stealing" this timeline. The ideas and lore it implies about 3H is just too good to pass up.
I'm in the process of doing a 3 Houses one haha, dunno if I'll ever actually post it anywhere to be read though
I’ve wondered when this would come out! Glad to see it finally materialize!
I really wish youtube would've suggested this video to me, since I weatch alot Fire Emblem videos. But no, I had to search for a FE3H timeline video. Glad I found this, I loved it. Gonna watch the entire timeline video soon as well!
Thanks for putting all of this together :)
You did a great job with your interpretation of the Fire Emblem timeline, I can definitely see you put a lot of time and effort into it. However, I personally have a bit of a different idea of the order of the games. Though, for starters, I feel that Kusakihara's quote about the game not being connected to the other games is more of him saying it's not directly connected, as in the same sentence he brings up the possibility of there being "some mysteries in the land of Archanea that we don’t know about yet" which would suggest they are in fact in the same world, their worldbuilding just isn't directly connected, but maybe more indirect connections. Also, when it comes to DLC, I don't personally consider the majority of the Xenologues canon as they are more-or-less simply fanservice and are more or less just for fun. However, The Future Past/Heirs of Fate DLCs and the Scramble DLCs are definitely canon in my eyes as they are actually relevant to the story rather than just being there for gold or skills or whatnot. With Infinite Regalia, I can understand your reasoning though you can get practically every weapon in the game there, including Ragnell, so I don't think their acquisition by the party is necessarily canon. Plus, there are hints to suggest that there are more copies of the Regalia, though I'll go into specifics in a bit. I guess the notion that the 1st Generation of Awakening's units ended up as Deadlords could itself be canon, but I personally believe that the party we play as meeting them isn't. One more thing, I feel the Fates DLC where Corrin meets Chrom isn't canon itself, as it is clearly more of a fanservice DLC just to giveaway the class seal, but the information that, to Ylisse, Nohr and Hoshido are mythical kingdoms is canon. And one last thing, I feel that every game takes place in the same continuity, just obviously a few extra instances to account for Fates/Three Houses.
Anyways, here's the timeline I've thought up, including any events I feel play a major role in determining a game's placement:
>Path of Radiance
>Radiant Dawn
--The Scouring
--War between First Dragons
--The Ending Winter
--First Dragons Ascend
>Fates
>Genealogy of the Holy War
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>Blazing Sword
>Binding Blade
>Shadow Dragon
>Shadows of Valentia
>New Mystery of the Emblem
--Nada Kuya journeys from a foreign nation, wielding a "Falchion
>Sacred Stones
>Three Houses/ Three Hopes
>Awakening
I'll go into specifics about each game's placement, but first I'll elaborate on the events I singled out.
The Scouring and The Ending Winter:
The Scouring is actually a very pivotal event. Or more specifically, The Ending Winter that takes place during this war. The Ending Winter is an event described as "a series of elemental imbalances" causes by the immensely powerful Legendary Weapons wielded by the Eight Legends. This event forced dragons to seal the majority of their power into stones in order to survive and assume human form. This is extremely important as this event is more or less referenced in the official timelines for Archanea/Jugdral/Valentia, as seen here: fireemblemwiki.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Archanea,_Valentia_and_Jugdral
In this timeline, during the year 180 (Grann) does the decline of dragons suddenly occur. This is when Naga instructs her fellow dragons to seal their powers within stones so they may survive and not suffer degeneration. I believe this is exactly when the Ending Winter occurs, though it is not called that here due to the fact The Scouring happened far away from Archanea, Valentia, and Jugral, all the way in Elibe, so naturally they wouldn't have any idea what cause it specifically. I truly believe Binding Blade was made to explain this event that previously was left ambiguous as to what the actual cause was. But the reason I believe this event is important is this: Manaketes didn't exist before this point. Or rather, they never needed stones. In Tellius, all the Laguz have no need of stones in order to transform. But when the Ending Winter occurs and the elemental imbalances happen, those who are capable of transforming can no longer do so for as long as they once did, forcing them to seal their powers within stones (including Beast units).
First Dragons Ascend:
The First Dragons were twelve dragons who warred with each other in order to determine who would rule the land in the past of Fates. However, they started to degenerate, so most of them ended their own lives so as to avoid degeneration (this information is mostly found in the Ancient Texts in the Records Hall). Anankos was one of the First Dragons and was the guardian of the Kingdom of Valla. Rather than shed his mortal shell, like his brethren, he instead opted to stay behind as the Figurehead of Valla, which implies that he spent most time in dragonform and over-utilizing his powers, which made him continue to degenerate. As a sidenote, it's shown that when dragons overuse their power (be they manakete or not), they begin to degenerate. This is why Tiki was put to sleep by Naga in order to avoid degeneration and why Tiki as an adult must go to great lengths in order to restrain her power so to avoid degenerating. We see two instances of Divine Dragons degenerating from overusing their power with Mila and Duma, as both spend a lot of their power in order to keep their respective part of Valentia going. Anyways, I believe that The Ending Winter happened right during the war between the First Dragons, which is why they all suddenly began to degenerate at once. Anankos also seems to have been in his dragon form constantly, which would imply that was what he was used to. It is also stated that he had a dragonstone in which he sealed his powers within, but as I said sealing your powers within a stone won't stop you from degeneration if you continue to overuse said powers.
Nada Kuya:
This event is a much more obscure and could very well be a nod, but I feel it fits a bit too well to be an event that directly connects Magvel to Valentia. Nada Kuya is a character talked about in Saleh's supports with Eirika:
"Saleh: Well, in ancient times, Caer Pelyn was invaded by a foreign nation.
Eirika: Really?
Saleh: And leading the charge against the invaders was Nada Kuya. She carried a narrow sword made from a fang gifted to her by the dragonkin. With her dragon blade in her hand, she drove Caer Pelyn's enemies away."
She wielded "a blade gifted to her by the dragonkin" which is most likely a Falchion. Also, the name Nada Kuya sounds foreign to Magvel, which is why I believe that Nada Kuya instead came to Magvel from Valentia with Alm's Falchion in hand. I believe this because her name sounds similar to that of Kamui, Say'ri, and Yen'fay, all residents of Valentia/Chon'sin and also in Awakening, Valentia's Falchion is notably absent, even though Walhart would be able to use it due to being of Alm and Celica's bloodline. And also, Magvel is in itself a reference to Gaiden, due to its world map and the monsters, which is why I feel this was more of a connection rather than a little easter egg, and also and also an explanation for Walhart's inexplicable lack of the Falchion and a way of connecting Magvel to the other games.
One last thing is the Outrealms and Dragon's Gate. If Fates truly took place within the world on the other side of the Dragon's Gate, there would be little use for transformation stones and Anankos and the other First Dragons wouldn't have degenerated. I believe the Outrealms and Dragon's Gate are simply the same thing but just differing names. Both are capable of traversing to other world's/dimensions and even times.
Now I'll expand upon the placements for the games.
Tellius:
Tellius clearly takes place at the beginning, as most theorize, due to it being a creation story. One thing I feel is not though too much though is The Great Flood that, supposedly, sunk all the lands into the ocean by Tellius itself. I personally believe The Great Flood left more lands still standing, more specifically the lands of the other games. For starters, Nailah's nation of Hatari was thought to have been swallowed up by the flood, as we see in Dheginsea's boss conversation with Nailah:
"Dheginsea: You... are of the wolf people
Nailah: Yes. After the floods, we built our country to the east of the great desert.
Dheginsea: ...So we weren't the only ones to survive..."
This conversation felt like a hint that more lands than we thought had survived the flood. Also, the most major piece of evidence is Ike. In his ending, he leaves Tellius.
"Once he saw stability returned, Ike left on a journey to lands still unknown. He was never seen again."
Him leaving on a journey for lands still unknown implies that he did indeed find them, since he never returned.
Fates:
-Rhajat, Caeldori, and Asugi are implied to later reincarnate into Tharja, Cordelia, and Gaius respectively. The main evidence for this is Rhajat's death quote:
“I see...a distant sandstorm. Will you be there waiting?”
That would also imply that Corrin would also later reincarnate into Robin. There's also Rhajat and Corrin's A support which has her foretelling that they'd meet meet again in their future lives, though this part of their A Support is exclusive to the Japanese version of the game.
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Anna also has a number of interesting lines in My Castle:
“All of our legends so far are about dragon gods. I wonder if all of humanity's big adventures are still waiting for us...”
(In this this world, there aren't any sagas about Heroes. There are only legends created by this world about dragon gods. Everything in the legends of the people are things that will happen in the future from now.) -Japanese version of the other line.
-Japanese-exclusive
"There is someone in this world who might be like you. They might even be born later from now."
"What do you think about having a small shop in this room? Let's see, about the name... How about 'The Secret Shop'?"
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These lines imply that the world itself is still relatively new and there haven't been many truly notable events that have happened yet. Also, The Secret Shop line could imply that the Fates Anna was the first Anna to open a Secret Shop, something run by Annas in most of the other games (barring Tellius and Valentia). Though all these lines could easily be seen as just nods and whatnot, I still feel it's plausible to say that Fates happened in the distant past, as the kingdoms are seen as mythical by those in Ylisse, which is another reason I placed it after Tellius and before Jugdral.
Jugdral:
Jugdral doesn't require too much explanation, however one of the reasons it takes place before Elibe is because of the timeline linked before. If the Ending Winter happened in year 180 of the Grann Calendar and the events of Elibe occur 2000 years after, that would place the Elibe games after Jugdral since the Jugdral games start in the Grann year 757.
Elibe:
More or less already explained its placement, but another reason is the fact that Karel and Karla are heavily hinted in their supports to be from Jugdral and of the Od bloodline.
The other games don't require too much explanation, barring Fodlan. Fodlan and Magvel are interchangable in their placements, the main thing is that Fodlan takes place after Archanea and before Awakening. One of the reasons is, in fact, the Regalia. Archanea's Regalia are stated to have been stolen from "an unidentified origin" by the thief Adrah, the weapons then going on to becoming legendary weapons of Archanea. Their presence in Fodlan and Kusakihara's mention of Archanea tell me that the Regalia, while legendary in Archanea, are actually just extremely powerful that can be forged in Fodlan. Also, I believe that Adrah is from Fodlan and perhaps fled Fodlan during one of its past wars. Another piece of evidence I have is Morfis. In one of the books in the library is a book that details the various countries and places of Fodlan and near it. One such place is Morfis, which is in the lower-right of Fodlan's map. This city, once known as "The City of Ilusion", is a magic metropolis within an immense desert. This is almost exactly like the City of Thabes, which was a desert city that Duma destroyed in the past, the ruins then being named "The City of Ilusion". Also, to the south of Thabes lies Khadein, which is a desert city of magic and scholars. The shape of Morfis also looks just like a piece of land to the top-left of Archanea's map. What I believe is later on, Thabes would be revitalized by mages and scholars from Khadein and become Morfis. Archanea and Fodlan being near each other would definitely explain the origins of the Regalia and even Adrah himself.
And that's that. I honestly got a little carried away there, but I've always been extremely passionate about finding connections between the various games as I've always wanted to prove that they all take place within the same world. Hopefully everything didn't come across too jumbled, as there's a lot of evidence I wanted to relay, hopefully I didn't forget to mention anything. Again, great work on the video, I wish I saw more people theorizing about Fire Emblem lore.
Also I didn't realize until I had finished typing that there was a size limit for RUclips comments.
I would argue that fates, Warriors, Heros and Engage all are on the same timeline stemming from the use and perfection of dimension magic.
I would argue that it was Anankos creation of this magic allowing individuals to manipulate time and space to pull people into other dimensions was the catalyst for the events of Warriors. After the kingdom of Valm collapses long after fates the chaos dragon and his followers learn of anankos dimension magic and uses it to try and consume other dimensions leading to the story of warriors with rift gates opening up all over the place. After the events of warriors this dimension magic was studied and perfected over time allowing summoners to call forth veritable armies from thin air (Hero’s), however overtime this became too resource intensive (insert wallet hurting from buying orbs here) forcing the mages to find an alternative so instead of summoning hero’s from other dimensions they made simulacrums of them to inhabit rings and bracelets allowing even the most meager soldier to fight with the skills of a hero and have their guidance that is the story of fire emblem engage
And before anyone talks about how can Corrin be pulled into warriors if she was part of that timeline. The magic being used by the chaos dragon is based of anankos magic which as we saw with the xenolouges where he pulls Owain Severa and Inigo into Valm post awakening only for later in the game to have a misson where the party goes back to ylliese before chapter 1 of awakening, this shows that time manipulation is just as much part of this magic as dimension hoping
Also Tokyo mirage session is actually part of the timeline. It’s directly linked to the bad ending of New mystery of the emblem where Gharnef tricks Marth and Kris and fake his death allowing him to revive Medeus in secret and with the army having been disbanded to try and focus on repairs the kingdom of Archena was caught completely off guard by Medeus sudden appearance leading to some characters being banished/retreat to the idolasphere the pocket reality between dimensions (to be fair in the context of the greater timeline it’s probably just a renamed outrealm)
If that were true, then Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is possible, because this can bring Marth, Lucina, Roy, Ike, Chrom, Corrin, Robin, and Byleth from entire timeline into one point of time.
@@chargeminecraft I mean hell if you had the amiibos from smash Wii U there was a little story attached to each character before you fought them with Lucina, Ike, Robin, and Marth all talking about being in a place with the most unusual fighters they have ever seen in a place of endlessly testing each other’s battle prowess
@@chargeminecraft with the realization that Tokyo mirage session is a result of Naga creating a hole in the dimensions to save some of the cast of fire emblem 1 it actually makes more sense why the cast of Fire emblem new mystery of the emblem, awakening and fates were dragged in to the events of warriors, there are already holes linking different times and dimensions in those games, it actually makes a lot of sense why it would be those characters who would be pulled from their reality over other characters,
For engage. I believe it took place during the tail end or the beginning of the golden age of dragons and they are the ones responsible for the creation of the gates. All for the use of using the nexus worlds to help summone hero’s from past and present. Plus as that empire was ended because of the fell/dark dragons it fits. Also the empire was of a hidden land and relitivly small so it stayed out of the other continent dealings which helps cover inconsistencies.
But their were only 4 dragons you may be asking. Yes and I believe altier and his sister were prity much adem and eve (not together) for the species wich helped in the citation of the malikar as they could not sire a pure blood dragon but half. So the only devin dragons left were the ones not even their.
the dlc well is probably a dragon gate
@@GenMars most likely
Now you have to add engage
I really enjoyed this timeline video and also the old one. Helps me appreciate the history of Fire emblem more and hopeful for remakes of the old games since the oldest game I played was Awakening. One of my absolute favorites.
You think you gonna do another timeline update with Fire Emblem engage and new books from FE Heroes?
Another world i Belive where Is not known
My guess would be Engage takes place In the Far future of the Fodland Timeline because proof of three houses does exist. or in its own pocket dimension
what proof would that be?
@@GenMars I apologize I am just seeing this. The Emblem Rings themselves for Byleth and the Bracelet for the House Leaders. I've a theory that The rings are Einherjar as they're aware they arent the original forms of the heroes stated by Marth to Sombron himself when saying "You may even find the hero of the Ring you search for yourself but it wont be him." But it would indicate that It indeed happens after awakening with my Einherjar theory and after Three Houses/Hopes. Yes we never see Einherjar by name of those characters but I think that is more from it not being a returning feature than it not being possible. We saw that practically anyone in the world could be one in Fates.
So in short, it's like breath of the wild .
It dose take part in the timeline, the ruined that is, but is far in too the future that It doesn't matter.
Right?
Edit: misspellings
Honestly I love this timeline even if it’s not completely accurate, and for those that say that Sothis is a Goddess that came from the stars, that doesn’t change things much as she could still have arrived in the Fallen Timeline and helped the remnants of humanity survive and rebuild.
Now for Sacred Stones, well there’s two ways I can actually see it happen:
1. This being after Grima’s escape at the end of Echoes but before Awakening given how by that time Grima’s influence and creation of the prototype undead for the Risen and offering power to followers could lead to the creation of the Demon King and his undead army until they were all sealed away in the Sacred Stones, and eventually cue the events of the game.
OR-
2. That this is actually set on the Fallen Timeline before Sothis’ arrival where the remaining undead and followers of Grima left in the future were taken over by the Demon Lord until the creation of discovery of the Sacred Stones that led to the sealing of the evil forces, and eventually the events of the game, with this happening either before or parallel to Three Houses-Hopes.
Lastly, we have Engage, which pretty much takes place on yet another timeline of it’s own that also connects to the wider multiverse.
Regardless I do hope to see more of this in the future!
GOOD LUCK!
Ngl i might use this timeline for a fanfic i have brewing as a sort of sequel to each 3 houses route(except for Silver Snow)
I enjoyed both parts of the timeline, and would love to see an update for Engage.
That's actually pretty wild and plausible that the 3H timeslines take place after the fallen timeline, even considering the reparations done by Anankos in Fates' Hidden Truths DLC.
2:47 All I can say for sure is they basically will both sit in the same place on the timeline, similar to the 3 Fates games, given 3 Hopes is an alternate universe version of 3 Houses.
I CALLED IT! I knew three houses would be part of the fallen timeline
Little important note about the story of heroes :
You the summoner is canon and takes a huge part in the recent book 5 and 6.
Since you hhe summoner can summon any God/Heroe from any point in time whenever you want to sertain people view the wapon you vield as very powerful and even tryed to recreate it. Since book 6 isnt completed yet we will see how the conflict between Embla and Askr (the city not the god) ends.
I feel like, with tectonic plates & the ever shifting of locations over long periods of time, I would be surprised is areas DIDN’T look different between some games. This very well could be a part of the world after a few thousands years.
A few thousand years is not enough for a land to look different unless something significant happened. Changes on earth naturally happened over the period of millions of years. Humans also were 100% not able to make any significant changes to the world itself in fire emblem i mean come on those guys didn't develop at all over the period of thousands of years
Cant wait for the updated engage timeline
I just watched the first video on this cuz i wanna get into FE since i like some of the FE characters in smash but I can't see myself playing any of the FE games since i'm not rlly into the strategy gameplay so i figured why not at least learn the story... now, given that i understand correctly and there is in fact a canonical multiverse in this series, that technically means that literally anything under the title of Fire Emblem is considered canon and connected through the multiverse as a multiverse is generally infinite with infinite possibilities. it just doesn't have to be in the same universe.
Lol basically like Pokemon
you could try 3 hopes, its a musou game with quite a bit of lore
Source Gaming well i did years ago create the One Fire Emblem Universe where all FE game worlds were one world existing in same world as Legend of Zelda, and likes of Marth traveled to like Jugdral and Tellius and so forth.
Tellius possibly exists cause in Awakening you meet Priam who wields the Ragnell and in Awakening apparently they have heard of the Radiant Hero Aka Ike, Genealogy of Holy War might be in same world as Shadow Dragon given that Naga is mentioned and that the crusaders have blood of naga in them from what i read.
the Dragon's Gate from Binding Blade could possibly lead to other FE worlds, the Outrealms in Awakening and Fates certainly do, cause Severa, Owain and Inigo end up in Fates' world via outrealm gate, so anything is possible.
anyways this is interesting, I love Three Houses and I am sure i will love Three Hopes
This video is even better than the first
That means humans with a crest are part dragon. And Bythe is half dragon because of his mother also would explain why he or she didn’t survive since she or he is a Hybrid.
These videos are fun!
Thanks for the video, I do think the crest stones you see in New Game+ can hold some secrets of the world, where we can find the name of dragons I dare to say those dragons are the same that helped in Genealogy, they are way to similar
But I think they are all in different parallel earth and Anna (Sisters) can travel into them maybe by the Outrealm Gate
You know the era where you said there was no games set in I think 3 houses is set in that era as (spoiler alert)lady rhea turns into a dragon without using a stone
On top of that huge plot point of experiments on the dragon bloodline and drags as deities hiding they nature. So it would make sense if Three Houses would take place after Radiant Down. Rhea could be Naga (especially as she was using several names already).
Now it’s time to add engage to the timeline
now I just want to know where engage comes in this timeline, like I know it's from a completely new different timeline or it's possibly a continuation of Heroes set thousand of years in the future (due to the costume set, as well as weapons that came with the dlc), all I know is that it's set far in the future considering what byleth is in that game
no way there’s a fire emblem character named brady i’m so happy
Ahh the update
Now I'm curious as to where in the timeline FE:E [Fire Emblem: Engage] fits in this Labyrinth of time...🤔
Now where is engage in the timeline o.o
Multiverses in video games are the lazy way to explain contradictions and minor references. But I think the whole point of the dragon's gate and other worlds being shoved into the series was to give hints as to why FE6 had no references to past games. No Naga, no crossover characters, etc. They probably wanted to try brand new standalone stories after the changes in leadership post-FE5. Awakening was a celebration of all the games intended as a farewell to the series which was struggling at the time. Now as for the reoccurring special weapons, I feel they're more like easter eggs than lore especially when you have to go out of your way to get them like in 3H.
i'd like to see a part 3 for engage
A very vague assumption about Sacred Stone. Could the HC be the children of the rescued boy from FE7 who disappeared through the gate? Same hair color.
I am very thankful for this timeline.
It's probably a coincidence since blue is a very popular hair color in FE. Plus Eirika and Ephraim don't seem to have any dragon/manakete qualities.
So i have an idea for where engage fits in. It has the byleth emblem but not the shez emblem, so i think that engage is at the end of the timeline for three houses. But that is all the information i have have because i have not played the game. But thank you so much for this timeline!
Ik the director said they dont think 3h is connected to any other game but i have just beaten fe7 and i cannot be convinced that the dragons from a "far away" that established the Civilization of nabatea in fodlan are in no way connected to the nabata desert of the continent of elibe where many dragon lived before the majority were chased off and fled their world through the dragon gate.
Are you going to do a 2.5 update for FE Engage? x) I have no idea how that would tie to any or all of them as it doesn't look like there are dragon gates but literally all the hero characters know each other.
Actually in 9:27 if robin marries nowi, morgon will be a dragon too
how about tiki?
@@GenMars never tried it but probably
Your theory is disproven because Sothis is from space according to most sources and Rhea as she states that she may have come from another galaxy meaning Sothis is a Galaxy dragon
So you're going to take an in-universe theory as fact?
They said "she came from the stars", given how superstitious medieval people were and the fact Sothis is literally a dragon that could probably fly kinda just doesn't really let that argument hold any proper water. And hey, maybe she did turn up from another world, possibly the same way the Rainbow Sage and co. turned up in Fates, through one of those gates to escape the Scouring
@@zimonzieclown1633 i mean just take a look at faerghast
@@gg_sam7847 makes sense
But honestly she is a dragon but I just like saying progenitor god because it feels right
@@OmniMon94 understandable lol
I’ll say again here, three houses is it’s own separate game and timeline. It’s not part of the fire emblem series. For one, sothis is the progenitor god, second, she controls time and no one else possesses it besides her, third, she has the ability to create life like the goddess from the mainline in the fire emblem series. And lastly, if you pay attention to the story in three houses it sorta hints us about how the new timeline will go depending on which path we take, eldgards path leads us to something completely new in the fire emblem series, dimitris and Claud’s stay with the same old fire emblem story arc or the churches path where we get something kinda the same but different at the same time since we get a human like god as the god/hero of the world.
Naga in awakening has the power to send Chrom and friends into the future. So if we are just theorizing a timeline then it wouldn’t be a stretch that Sothis and Naga came from the same family line. And just like in the backstory of Naga, Duma, and Mila they weren’t gods but divine dragons but the humans considered them as gods for their level of insight and strength.
So I think it makes sense for three houses to be in a timeline for fire emblem.
In a few endings with Dimitri, Claude, and Byleth in routes other than Crimson Flower, it’s also said that they eventually make reforms resembling that of Edelgard’s goals as well. It just takes a while longer and it’s more implicit. Especially with Claude and his breaking down the boundaries of Fódlan
I can debunk this theory based on one simple fact. Rhea at the end of Silver Snow goes through a sort of accelerated madness because she can't contain her Dragon Power. Similar to what the other Dragons go through. So in conclusion it is part of the Camon Timeline.
Maybe you can glean some new info on the interconnection of all the games through FE Engage considering it brings back all the major heroes and they have support conversations...but then again, engage doesn't seem to take itself that serious in terms of story. No idea how it connects.
It’s about time
I mean, I look at the map....and Fodlan looks close Magvel to me. So Fodlan may be future Magvel?
Who knows. I'll need to do more research.
I always felt Fodlan vaguely resembled Tellius to some extent, with Garreg Mach having been built in what was once the Heron clan's land.
@@load-bearingcoconut5586 Definitely could be!
I just look at the Western and Eastern coasts of Fodlan and see Freila and Rausten. And the way the southern part of Fodlan just looks like a reformed Grado
I’m pretty sure Engage is part of the Hero’s timeline
time to update again
Will you be doing an upfate for engage?
Ive Wonder when does Fire Emblem Engage takes place in the timeline
Time to engage
emblem, engage!
Awesome
I dont even understand a single thing, I just want to see Fire Emblem footages and arts
While you've corrected some of your incorrect pronounciation from the first video, Archanea and Falchion are still wildly off. Arch-an-nea, not Arch-nea, Fal-chi-on, not Falk-ion
What about the missiles and tech in shambala
where can I get that infograph at 0:28 ?
So how does Engage fit into this?
Now we add Fire Emblem Engage?!
If Sombron is a fell dragon like Grima, then is it possible that Sombron is a reincarnation of Grima or a son of Grima (Consider the fact the next 1000 years, Grima went into hiding, married someone, then have Sombron as a son, and Grima got killed by Sombron years later)?
That makes no sense. Grima had no chance to do that or reason. He couldn't have kids when he was in hiding because he didn't have a body that time(talking about when he was just a soul). The only time he was running wild was the original lucina timeline but he didn't have any reasons to have kids there he most likely just killed everything in his wake. Well there is also the time of the first exalt but from the dialogue in game we can lretty much infare he wasn't running wild for too long
@@Vedhon oh, I didn't know that, I never played Awakening, I only played Smash Bros and Three Houees
@@chargeminecraft i don't know if you watched the previous timeline video but in it was said thay first grima was sealed in a lab so he couldn't really do anything and that then alm killed grima's body as well with his falcion so he had no body the same happened with the first exalt
I know technically this is a theory but I don't like how thousands and thousands and thousands of years pass in this timeline yet all the games in this franchise are like medieval knightly settings. Like how are there no advancements in technology? I know it's a fan theory but I like the idea of none of the games being connected unless officially said. Although I don't like how it's Jugdral -> Valentia and Archanea -> Ylisse and Valm because that takes thousands and thousands of years but it only seems like it should take place only a couple hundred years apart
I mean... its weird, yeah, but it's fiction, and in the wide and wacky world of fiction, anything is possible. Even the halting of technological advancements.
@@dantelawrence4676 Good point, not to mention the amount of near world ending events that keep happening along with considering the existence of Magic could probably make people less likely to advance in the same way real civilisations did
zelda does it too
Apparently Sacred Stone is first then Fate follow the timeline you created
finally, it's about time
Let’s goooo
Elyos when?
Ughgggggh so confusing the timelines ,and engage is like
Let’s confuse everyone even more
There is one big problem with this theory: Sothis is a god. As in, the game itself confirms that she is a god. The Agarthans trap for Byleth can only be escaped with the power of a god. Ergo since Byleth escaped, Sothis must be a god which destroys the timeline.
There was actually one more who escaped the darkness of zaharas, and I’m pretty sure it was epimenidas.
so FE is basically nintendo's kingdom hearts
Maybe Fodlan isn't in the same setting as all previous 15 Fire Emblem games, but it takes place in another planet. This is the one of the first Fire Emblem games that doesn't have the Fire Emblem relic or any Manakete or Lazguz races, only the Children of the Goddess.
This may be a crack pot theory, but I think that Fodlan is the continent west of Thedas, the setting of the Dragon Age series. Think about it, both games are about selfish and snobby politics, corrupt religion, characters who have the worst childhood, each country warring against on another and the Main Character is just a self insert so the players can romance their favorite companions.
Make a 3.0!!!
Hahahaha FINALLY!!!
I thought Sothis came from space?
I think that was more of poetic way of saying she came from somewhere else. Rhea made up a lot of stuff about Sothis in order to form a religion around her.
I mean we still don’t actually know for sure, but I like both theories
Imagine thinking you get a say in another persons story lmao
Am I the only one who thinks 3 Hopes ruins Three Houses?
Makes the bonds of White Clouds and Byleth’s influence
Basically irrelevant… 😣
Pfft. I wonder how ashunera would react after hearing the bs propaganda that seiros was spreading about sothis creating everything