There is so much you can do with not a lot of kit as we all know clean everything fuel system etc start at the beginning tank and contents. Just to say some lift pumps have a filter inside the cap. A trick I learned is clean lift pump out if its still lazy squirt engine oil in the inlet it encourages the valves. But filter filter filter.clean clean again
Chadley DoRight I believe I bought one at harbor freight, I would also think most any "real " auto parts store, I kind of felt guilty buying it, thought of it like a battery powered sawsall , a thieves best friend.
In my forty plus years of pulling wrenches, I tip my hat to you sir! I wouldn't have gone inside that pump knowing what I know and the question "What could go wrong" would of shook her head. I admire your courage and do not fault your work at all! I have learned plenty from you and before I quit, had a half million in tools, shop, etc., your good at what you do and should be very proud. You will make the cat scratch again.
Some of you may have heard a loud whoooshing noise. This was caused by 95% of the video flying waaaay over my head. 🤔 Still an interesting video to watch and I wish you luck fixing the brute. Cheers from Scotland, Dougie.
I also had the same problem Daniel Ramsey stated concerning the pickup tube from the fuel tank limiting flow. Mine was on a 1967 580 case backhoe with the same injection pump your dealing with. I cleaned and sealed the tank and still was picking up a little rust in the tank that didn't seal properly, so rather than take the tank back off I put a hose on the pickup tube on the inside of the tank so it would not pickup from the very bottom of the tank. I know it won't get the last inch of fuel in the tank but it gets mixed around from movement so I don't see it as a problem and it saved me from having to pull the tank a second time which was no small endeavor. I did that fix a year ago and has been running great since. Love you videos. God bless!
Date Jan 3rd, 2020. Your video was well done! You are meticulous with the pump! Bravo! Definitely, the pump was gummed up, and needed your work on it ! You had the humility to have and read up , in the shop manual, or pump manual. Good! Your illustration was great! Your willingness to note down, or make diagrams of details, is very good when you are on a machine you are not familiar with! This saves a lot of grief, when stuff slips your mind! Your use of compressed air and assembly grease, is right on! Do not be reluctant to soak stuff , in carburetor cleaner! wear gloves to protect yourself! #1. drop the old diesel fuel, mix fresh in, and here is a fantastic trick! get another cap for your fuel tank. Drill it out, and install a tube with nuts inside the cap and out to secure the tube. either attach a short hose, to an air coupler. Put the cap on the tank, and apply any where from 8 to 10 lbs. of air pressure to the tank! NO MORE! Crack open the pump bleeder screw, and then the injector bleeder screws or loosen the nuts, and watch the fuel and air bleed out of the system so fully and completely , before your eyes! you will kick yourself!! It works like a forest Fire! The big mistake is that all of us do as we are told, by cranking, and pumping, so forth , when the trick is just to put a little air pressure over the fuel in the tank, and the fuel will run up into the lift pump, through the pump, up to the injection pump, fill it up and out to the injectors, and you will be amazed, just how much air come out! Also, it is crazy how much air gets trapped in all those complicated mechanical gizmos of yester year, before electronics of today! Do this first, and see what happens! Before opening stuff up! At the very least you wil know, the system is full, and clear of air, and topped up! If it does not run, something is jammed. And if you have no air compressor, just rig up a tire tank, with a valve, and a hose! fill the tank to 80 lbs, and and just crack open the valve you rigged to the hose a little bit, to apply just a little pressure! Works great in the field! All the best! kennethzakaib607@gmail.com
Did a good job, dont say you are not good enough. Sometimes 10 minutes with someone knowledgeable on the machine is all you need To make it work. Knowledge is power.
Had starting Problems with those engines many times, we figured out, that if the crancking speed is one rpm to less you can spin it all day without results, if the speed is right it fires up first crank
They really are not black magic..cleanliness is the key thing when servicing them and DPA pumps are simple. I prefer working on them than SIMMS type inline pumps
in my case, it was desperation. couldn't afford a $700 rebuilt pump. replaced broken plunger springs the first time. second time, got the kit and went through it completely (and found yet another chunk of an old, broken spring still in there ... yikes! ... and nearly sheared hpp drive dogs). It had gotten to the point where you replaced one leaky seal, another would start leaking. (Bosch rotary, similar in operation to this one)
...as for my abilities...I know a little bit about not so much...but I can build and repair a computer...I leave the mechanical to folks like yourself, I have hard-enough-time just maintaining my bicycle...really 🤣 I love watching you work 💖 you have a wonderful calmness, reminds me of my dad. He loved all things diesel! He worked in a Caterpillar assembly plant, a machinist, building D-11 Dozer's and 390F Excavators...I didn't have the Cat DNA gen in me...became a communication engineer (no glory) but always fantasized about building those giant machines... You are a natural and would make a wonderful teacher❕
Nice work Wes. Keep 'em coming. We love to watch guys work under duress, hardship, lack of resources and on camera where we can criticize their every move and decision once we see the outcome.
Anything rusted, with a diesel engine and wheels, is appealing to me. I got sold just with the picture. Digging more and more your videos, Wes. Great style and fantastic content. Thanks!
Wes, that was one of the best vidios I have ever seen. I will have to watch it a few more times to get my head around the complex internal workings of a rotary pump. Just shows what makes an expert! When I service a diesel system, ie change filters I keep the stop cord out all the time then once I have bled it to the injector pump I crank the engine on full throttle and after three seconds put the stop cord in and it usually starts without cracking off an injector pipe. (not always). This saves a bit of battery life. Try it if you don't already do it and see how you go. Cheers, Jim in NZ.
To me you are a professional and knowledgeable, understand very well the concept of everything you do and work for to fix, you are gifted, there is no book to teach commonsense, you are not just a regular YT guy, don't underestimate yourself, I like your type and your videos, keep the good work and thanks for sharing your experiences with us.
Wes, I admire your knowledgeability, ingenuity and humility. You've got a kind spirit and you make an enjoyable video. I like old classic machinery. I wrote a book whose main character operates a Clark 75B front loader. Hey, my friend, it's fun to watch you work. Keep it up. God bless.
Nice work, the pump functions were well explained. For a starting aid I use a rag soaked in gasoline held in front of the intake. won't vibrate glow plugs or damage internal parts. just let the gas fumes do the work and don't let go of the rag when it starts.
For some guy on the internet doing this I almost feel like your a professional. When I watch transmission rebuilds it looks very similar to this with complicated parts but it is so fascinating to watch.
I always appreciate when you explain how some parts work I've always wondered how mechanical fuel injection works and I probably won't work on a diesel fuel pump any time soon, but if I do I'm gonna remember this video
A few times I have come across a lazy starter where it had to have 24v through it to start a car engine. Good job in getting it going though. Thats half the problem solved. Well done.
@22:28 my AirFryer ended it's cycle and beeped. I thought Wes's torque wrench had a beeper. The visual did not match the sound and I was perplexed for a second. This pump is new to me. Such precision. (In a sense, it is the "ignition system" of a diesel engine. Timing and all). I love learning something new. Even at 57. Thanks, Wes!
Great projects! Clear narration. Great voice, content and pace. Very well done and look forward to your next installment. Cheers Ottawa, Ontario canada
hey Wes, just a little note: your little drawing was way helpful and done well. it helped me to understand exactly what you trying to show us. thanks buddy..
Think that pump is fine now, could be a bad inector pushing exhaust gas in the system, or just a clog in the fuel line or tank., Starter has probably sticking brushes, or a broken spring on one. you did good on that pump cleaning! (y)
The starter motor you might be able to do, try cleaning the ends of the frame and end caps (usually like 3 pieces) and polishing the commutator, it could also have a broken brush or two causing it to have half the torque.
Very good I appreciate your honest and humble approach to your projects. The starter is probably pulling a lot of amps and to have it repaired is wise also thanks for trying to get the pump going . I work on fleet equipment and have never disassembled an injection pump . When it is determined the issue is the pump we just pull it and send it out . Most shops are not equipped to do that kind of repairs, so again thanks.
I'm not equipped to do anything but take it apart, clean it, replace the seals, and put it back together. I can not trouble shoot or calibrate the pump.
After working on a ton of GM 6.2 pumps years ago I couldn’t imagine pulling this thing with the shaft left in the engine. And I was commenting on the ease of tearing the shaft seals early on in your vid without that “special tool”, then… I had to chuckle. Oddly enough, I went through 3 pumps without the tool and without tearing a seal until someone told me about them tearing. The very next pump, you guessed it. Torn seal. I still have those tools years later.
Wes, it really is enjoyable watching you work, not only do you have a good head on your shoulders, you are very knowledgeable and think everything through. Hats off to you God Bless.
WD40 won't work anymore. They changed the formula. I use to use it all the time. But it don't work since they changed. Guess they didn't want to name it WD41. Try using starter fluid instead. I now curse WD40. it is not that good of a lub and now it won't start a lawn mower. Oh yes i am sure if you have and old can of the old formula it would work fine.
At least you identified yourself with accurate credentials. Thank you! I have read where it says don’t open those or the world will go backwards. Congrats on your bravery! That thing is more complicated than I thought! Beats me
Thats what I'm thinking. As soon as he said it just doesnt want to turn over on 12 volts. Someone back in the day may have had to replace the starter and they got the wrong one on it.
My Dad used to work in the plant that built these things. Started in the early 70's. Works his 25 years got his gold plated watch and 2 years later that mothballed the plant. He welded the frames for the bigest front end loaders Clark made. Huge machines.
Glad you brought up the subject of dielectric grease.. I use it strictly for anti-corrosion. I have heard that moths also about it that you mentioned. Required on major terminals on service entrances and breaker panels. I never knew about the carbon factor but it makes sense. Those same people that are concerned about stack terminals with it in between probably still think the world is flat. I stumbled over channel. You do a good job and are concise about what you’re talking about. I can’t believe some of the stuff people have the guts to put on RUclips thinking they’re going to be a millionaire.
I had to tell the young blokes at work to slow down it's not a race as they liked breaking bolts ALSO the youngins Love using rattle guns that Stretch bolts which snap off on refitting them
I lucked out and got my outside chores done BEFORE I saw your video was posted...other way around and chores not done and then no turkey for me on Thursday! Look forward to more on this forklift and getting it back to running and moving!
Heh. Probably so. Usually the winding can handle it, but the duty cycle drops. So if you crank it too much it overheats. I've been involved with many 6V to 12V conversions and we always used the old 6V starters. They didn't seem to mind the higher voltage.
@@WatchWesWork That is not all that truthful, Most if not all starters are rated for much higher voltage, In some cases they are just different labels.
Back in 1952 I worked in a gas station that took road calls. The cars were still high % 6V batteries. We always used a 12v battery for jump start. Just don't have the lights on. Poof goes the bulbs.
I put a Carter fuel delivery pump on my Allis D19 with gravity feed to raise the input pressure to the tired injector pump. Wow it raised the pump output pressure enough that the tractor would even start in freezing weather without either.
Wes, I'd take my hat off to you, if I wore one. Your knowledge and determination is astonishing. Thanks for the sharing and teaching in your videos. I'm looking forward to hearing what the problem and solution was. Stay safe. Regards from S Africa Clive
I can't count how many times I have worked on something I either picked up cheap, because it didn't work, or worked on someone else's machine that was horrible to use due to poor starting and more and how so much of it revolved around just awful starting circuit wiring issues. Crappy replacement ends that were corroded to death, Bad grounds connected to the first metal point they could hit (paper thin sheet metal usually) and not a major engine block or frame point. Rotten cables that are more copper oxides than conductive copper. Grossly undersized cables. Oddball (and old) 4 or 6 ga small vehicle cable (or solid core aluminum residential wire) for a big diesel or gas engine. Starters that are way past worn out internally to where they are running on nothing but their rotors riding on the fields due to the shaft bearing/bushing being totally gone. Way undersized battery for a big engine.
England. At the risk of being shot I'll say that most RUclips Americans tend to use the 'wide open spaces surrounded by teeth' or in other words 'talk AT you rather than to you'. It's a pleasure to listen to you Wes. Apart from that your pretty good 'bodger'. I was once crowned King Bodger. The art of bodging is to repair something for as little as possible for the absolute minumum cost. Not to be confused with those idiots who's repairs either won't last five minutes or kill sombody.
@@firesurfer The nearer you live to the Polar Circle, the greater the difference in the day length between summer and winter. From the Polar Circle and further north, you get days when the sun never sets, but even 1000 miles further south, it never gets really dark at night at midsummer. The flipside of that is that the days get very short, or the sun never rises in winter far north
Very interesting and informative, new subscriber. Love this stuff, did it as boy. Now I'm disabled and this is the only way I get to enjoy it thank you very much.
Great Video Wes!! My two cents.......Blow back the lines to the tank, & replace the fuel filters. Maybe your getting fuel on a static line, but not enough flow to support a running engine. Costs nothing to check. But........your there & I'm here, so you have the birds-eye view of whats going on. Best of luck.....................
Hey Wes....! Many thanks for this... your pen and ink drawing of the basic priciple of how the pump works was really helpful. Love your vids, keep 'em coming! Greetings from Southport UK. (P.S. - don't get too cold!)
cool video, love watching stuff like this where i can learn something. ( my wife had the telly stuck in something horrible too..) cheers for showing how one of these pumps work.
Thanks for the tutorial. The pump may have been stubborn but you were great at teaching me a few things. I'm sure that when you get it figured out it will be an Aha moment, I hope you will share - Thanks a bunch!
That looks like the same engine on the 450 dozers and they spun a lot faster than that one does on 12 volts. I was around a mechanic changing out a unit injection pump on an old knuckle buster Cat 12 grader. He handed it to me and said to take it apart and hold it. I did for about 10 seconds and he said to put it back together. It wouldn't go back. He said the heat of my hand swelled the plunger that much BUT that unit was WORN OUT! there you go about crazy tolerances! Excellent description of the Roosa Master pump. A-PLUS!
There is a check valve on the return line. Make sure that is clean as well. I had one that was gummed up. It will run for a minute and once it builds up too much pressure on the low side it wont allow the high side to pump.
I've had then not even start when the return check is plugged up. The return check is a common source of no start, engine stall issues, especially on pumps that have had the flex ring totally deteriorate, into fine particles.
Thanks for keeping it real man! I laughed my balls off when your wrench went flying. I'm glad it's not just me! I'm glad I found your Channel. It's nice to see someone else sharing a passion for the Forgotten iron.
sounds like blocked filters. also CAV pumps have a screen in the end plate of the pump. but i don't know these pumps. Best pump repair video i have seen. ****
Just to clarify, there is plenty of fuel at the inlet to the injection pump. When I said "running out of fuel", I mean inside the injection pump.
if youre rebuilding the injection then make sure to give it a new lift pump. so do the lift pump first and see what happens. alot less money.
There is so much you can do with not a lot of kit as we all know clean everything fuel system etc start at the beginning tank and contents. Just to say some lift pumps have a filter inside the cap. A trick I learned is clean lift pump out if its still lazy squirt engine oil in the inlet it encourages the valves. But filter filter filter.clean clean again
Watch Wes Work A diesel with a Bosch fuel injection or EFI I will always start better, rotary head gets weak fast, at least in a roosamaster.
Where did you get that neat siphon pump at ?
Chadley DoRight I believe I bought one at harbor freight, I would also think most any "real " auto parts store, I kind of felt guilty buying it, thought of it like a battery powered sawsall , a thieves best friend.
In my forty plus years of pulling wrenches, I tip my hat to you sir! I wouldn't have gone inside that pump knowing what I know and the question "What could go wrong" would of shook her head. I admire your courage and do not fault your work at all! I have learned plenty from you and before I quit, had a half million in tools, shop, etc., your good at what you do and should be very proud. You will make the cat scratch again.
Some of you may have heard a loud whoooshing noise. This was caused by 95% of the video flying waaaay over my head. 🤔
Still an interesting video to watch and I wish you luck fixing the brute.
Cheers from Scotland,
Dougie.
LOL!
I also had the same problem Daniel Ramsey stated concerning the pickup tube from the fuel tank limiting flow. Mine was on a 1967 580 case backhoe with the same injection pump your dealing with. I cleaned and sealed the tank and still was picking up a little rust in the tank that didn't seal properly, so rather than take the tank back off I put a hose on the pickup tube on the inside of the tank so it would not pickup from the very bottom of the tank. I know it won't get the last inch of fuel in the tank but it gets mixed around from movement so I don't see it as a problem and it saved me from having to pull the tank a second time which was no small endeavor. I did that fix a year ago and has been running great since. Love you videos. God bless!
John14:6 St.John 6:44 , and the Book of Enoch changed my life .Btw , that is a good fix , have done it w/several pcs of older /ancient equipment.
Great presentation! I'm older but really appreciate you going through the problem solving. Your dad should be very proud of you!
Thank you,
EW
Date Jan 3rd, 2020. Your video was well done! You are meticulous with the pump! Bravo!
Definitely, the pump was gummed up, and needed your work on it ! You had the humility
to have and read up , in the shop manual, or pump manual. Good! Your illustration was great!
Your willingness to note down, or make diagrams of details, is very good when you are on
a machine you are not familiar with! This saves a lot of grief, when stuff slips your mind!
Your use of compressed air and assembly grease, is right on! Do not be reluctant to soak stuff , in carburetor cleaner! wear gloves to protect yourself! #1. drop the old diesel fuel,
mix fresh in, and here is a fantastic trick! get another cap for your fuel tank. Drill it out,
and install a tube with nuts inside the cap and out to secure the tube. either attach a short hose, to an air coupler. Put the cap on the tank, and apply any where from 8 to 10 lbs.
of air pressure to the tank! NO MORE! Crack open the pump bleeder screw, and then the
injector bleeder screws or loosen the nuts, and watch the fuel and air bleed out of the system
so fully and completely , before your eyes! you will kick yourself!! It works like a forest Fire!
The big mistake is that all of us do as we are told, by cranking, and pumping, so forth , when the trick is just to put a little air pressure over the fuel in the tank, and the fuel will run up into the lift pump, through the pump, up to the injection pump, fill it up and out to the injectors,
and you will be amazed, just how much air come out! Also, it is crazy how much air gets trapped in all those complicated mechanical gizmos of yester year, before electronics of
today! Do this first, and see what happens! Before opening stuff up! At the very least you wil know, the system is full, and clear of air, and topped up! If it does not run, something is jammed. And if you have no air compressor, just rig up a tire tank, with a valve, and a hose!
fill the tank to 80 lbs, and and just crack open the valve you rigged to the hose a little bit,
to apply just a little pressure! Works great in the field! All the best! kennethzakaib607@gmail.com
Did a good job, dont say you are not good enough. Sometimes 10 minutes with someone knowledgeable on the machine is all you need
To make it work. Knowledge is power.
Had starting Problems with those engines many times, we figured out, that if the crancking speed is one rpm to less you can spin it all day without results, if the speed is right it fires up first crank
I know you hear this all the time, but if I had someone like you as a teacher back in my day, I would have been a better student. Thanks Wes.
Wow, thank you!
Only a brave mechanic touches injector pumps.
They really are not black magic..cleanliness is the key thing when servicing them and DPA pumps are simple. I prefer working on them than SIMMS type inline pumps
in my case, it was desperation. couldn't afford a $700 rebuilt pump. replaced broken plunger springs the first time. second time, got the kit and went through it completely (and found yet another chunk of an old, broken spring still in there ... yikes! ... and nearly sheared hpp drive dogs). It had gotten to the point where you replaced one leaky seal, another would start leaking. (Bosch rotary, similar in operation to this one)
I work on Yanmar Pumps only... That is the only one I have Mastered...
Only mad men and sadists mess with a John Deere injector pimp!
...as for my abilities...I know a little bit about not so much...but I can build and repair a computer...I leave the mechanical to folks like yourself, I have hard-enough-time just maintaining my bicycle...really 🤣
I love watching you work 💖 you have a wonderful calmness, reminds me of my dad. He loved all things diesel! He worked in a Caterpillar assembly plant, a machinist, building D-11 Dozer's and 390F Excavators...I didn't have the Cat DNA gen in me...became a communication engineer (no glory) but always fantasized about building those giant machines...
You are a natural and would make a wonderful teacher❕
"One of those horrible, hospital based drama." While I watch a not horrible based forklift drama video. I can relate!
Nice work Wes. Keep 'em coming. We love to watch guys work under duress, hardship, lack of resources and on camera where we can criticize their every move and decision once we see the outcome.
LOL!
Anything rusted, with a diesel engine and wheels, is appealing to me. I got sold just with the picture. Digging more and more your videos, Wes. Great style and fantastic content. Thanks!
I appreciate that!
What is it about loud, filthy diesel engines that's so fascinating?
Wes, that was one of the best vidios I have ever seen. I will have to watch it a few more times to get my head around the complex internal workings of a rotary pump. Just shows what makes an expert! When I service a diesel system, ie change filters I keep the stop cord out all the time then once I have bled it to the injector pump I crank the engine on full throttle and after three seconds put the stop cord in and it usually starts without cracking off an injector pipe. (not always). This saves a bit of battery life. Try it if you don't already do it and see how you go. Cheers, Jim in NZ.
Not even so much as a curse when that wrench hopped off.
You sir are a saint. Haha
If I cursed every time I dropped something I'd never get anything else done!
Well I guess we know why I am so unproductive now. Lol
I would be shouting at it saying: DON'T come off - come 'ere NOW! Stupid thing.
It is really good to see someone doing what they obviously love and completely understand.
When the sun goes down it's pretty much dark. Classic 🍻
Yep, that’s how it works.
To me you are a professional and knowledgeable, understand very well the concept of everything you do and work for to fix, you are gifted, there is no book to teach commonsense, you are not just a regular YT guy, don't underestimate yourself, I like your type and your videos, keep the good work and thanks for sharing your experiences with us.
Last time i had to resurrect and old diesel like that up here in Alaska i found the tank was full of algae and it plugged up the pickup tube.
Yeah I've had that issue as well.
WHAT?!!!!
I'd hit that first.
Wes, I admire your knowledgeability, ingenuity and humility. You've got a kind spirit and you make an enjoyable video. I like old classic machinery. I wrote a book whose main character operates a Clark 75B front loader. Hey, my friend, it's fun to watch you work. Keep it up. God bless.
Interesting. People seem to really like forklifts. The videos I made about these old Clarks seem to do very well. Who knew?
over the years as a diesel mechanic I've found that if you pressure on the nut and tap the line you will often break the line and nut loose
Wait what do you mean tap the line? Just kinda tap it with a light hammer? This is valuable information.
This was insightful. Gives me courage to take on some challenging and intimidating repairs that I would normally pay someone else to do. Thanks Wes.
"just some guy on the internet
but I got a service manual and a few brain cells."
the world needs 100 more like you
You are an awesome explainer/teacher
I try.
@@WatchWesWork yeah, amazing teacher. Few people can explain things like you do.
I appreciate your humility and honesty.
Good man!
Nice work, the pump functions were well explained. For a starting aid I use a rag soaked in gasoline held in front of the intake. won't vibrate glow plugs or damage internal parts. just let the gas fumes do the work and don't let go of the rag when it starts.
For some guy on the internet doing this I almost feel like your a professional. When I watch transmission rebuilds it looks very similar to this with complicated parts but it is so fascinating to watch.
Well I'm not completely helpless, but I'm not running a pump shop either.
@@WatchWesWork Either way it looks awesome and I love watching what next tearing a transmission apart? lol
I always appreciate when you explain how some parts work I've always wondered how mechanical fuel injection works and I probably won't work on a diesel fuel pump any time soon, but if I do I'm gonna remember this video
had to find this episode before watching todays episode . now i wont be lost lol. man you can see the frustration in your voice.
A few times I have come across a lazy starter where it had to have 24v through it to start a car engine. Good job in getting it going though. Thats half the problem solved. Well done.
Ian P A lol I just connect it to the cord off my old lamp
@22:28 my AirFryer ended it's cycle and beeped. I thought Wes's torque wrench had a beeper. The visual did not match the sound and I was perplexed for a second. This pump is new to me. Such precision. (In a sense, it is the "ignition system" of a diesel engine. Timing and all). I love learning something new. Even at 57. Thanks, Wes!
LOL. We have one of those things. Works great.
"--i don't think it will be too big a problem to get it going."
Looking at the minute counter...oh no.
Foreshadowing...
Glad you explained about all the extra, leftover parts ! But don't forget the orange vest next time !
Great video Wes, love seeing you bring things back to life .
A good video with clear commentary. I am a retired Clark mechanic and miss the shop.
Great projects! Clear narration. Great voice, content and pace.
Very well done and look forward to your next installment.
Cheers
Ottawa, Ontario canada
Thank you!
I agree, well done.
Great explanation of the injection pump! I learned something new today and every time I watch your videos.
"I'm just a guy on the Internet"... Yeah right. That's why 150,000 people watched this video in the past 72 hours... You're too modest Wes!
Just a simple pump not too complicated. He doesn't realize he's on another plain mentally then us humans.
You are like a specialist doctor for old machines. Those two brain cells are really working well.
when you threw the jumper cables and they sparked like crazy XD
There were a lot of sparks on this job!
Calvin Wright i slowed mode
hey Wes, just a little note: your little drawing was way helpful and done well. it helped me to understand exactly what you trying to show us. thanks buddy..
Thank you!
Think that pump is fine now, could be a bad inector pushing exhaust gas in the system, or just a clog in the fuel line or tank., Starter has probably sticking brushes, or a broken spring on one. you did good on that pump cleaning! (y)
Thank you for lowing the volume on the engine noise. Wish more people would do that.
The camera does it automatically. It can be annoying.
Excellent video, Wes. I always learn a whole lot watching your work. You make a great instructor!
no soy mecánico, pero me gusta mucho ver cuando una persona he un excelente trabajo ! Lo felicito amigo.
The starter motor you might be able to do, try cleaning the ends of the frame and end caps (usually like 3 pieces) and polishing the commutator, it could also have a broken brush or two causing it to have half the torque.
sometimes the end bearing wears out allowing the commutator to partially ground
Very good I appreciate your honest and humble approach to your projects. The starter is probably pulling a lot of amps and to have it repaired is wise also thanks for trying to get the pump going . I work on fleet equipment and have never disassembled an injection pump . When it is determined the issue is the pump we just pull it and send it out . Most shops are not equipped to do that kind of repairs, so again thanks.
I'm not equipped to do anything but take it apart, clean it, replace the seals, and put it back together. I can not trouble shoot or calibrate the pump.
If I ever need an operation , I want you to buy a book on it and do the operation !!!
You sir, are a magician! 10 minutes into this. Id have got the torches out!!
oh man imagine the crap inside the injectors also means that the fuel filter or fuel filter housing has blown to bypass open
After working on a ton of GM 6.2 pumps years ago I couldn’t imagine pulling this thing with the shaft left in the engine. And I was commenting on the ease of tearing the shaft seals early on in your vid without that “special tool”, then… I had to chuckle. Oddly enough, I went through 3 pumps without the tool and without tearing a seal until someone told me about them tearing. The very next pump, you guessed it. Torn seal. I still have those tools years later.
For a minute I thought this was going to be a *Diesel Runaway With Wes* video :-)
Don't jinx me...
It's not too late! 😂🤣
And it will run away with a running blade or a transmission that won't shift out of gear.
Wes, it really is enjoyable watching you work, not only do you have a good head on your shoulders, you are very knowledgeable and think everything through. Hats off to you God Bless.
Thanks! I appreciate that!
old trick, don't use ether, use wd40 it will lube the engine instead of dry it out. time for an ultrasonic cleaner
WD40 won't work anymore. They changed the formula. I use to use it all the time. But it don't work since they changed. Guess they didn't want to name it WD41. Try using starter fluid instead. I now curse WD40. it is not that good of a lub and now it won't start a lawn mower. Oh yes i am sure if you have and old can of the old formula it would work fine.
At least you identified yourself with accurate credentials. Thank you! I have read where it says don’t open those or the world will go backwards. Congrats on your bravery!
That thing is more complicated than I thought! Beats me
did someone put a 24 volt starter on it? I run into that once servicing a hard starting Detroit
Thats what I'm thinking. As soon as he said it just doesnt want to turn over on 12 volts. Someone back in the day may have had to replace the starter and they got the wrong one on it.
I liked how you drew the diagram for that pump. Made a lot more sense to trouble shoot.
Thanks. Drawings always help me understand complex systems.
Probably why it was parked to begin with. Not running right.
Definitely. It's had issues for a long time.
But it was running when parked!!!
Says every Craigslist add!!!
Keep Rocking it out!!!
My Dad used to work in the plant that built these things. Started in the early 70's. Works his 25 years got his gold plated watch and 2 years later that mothballed the plant. He welded the frames for the bigest front end loaders Clark made. Huge machines.
That's cool. Was it in Michigan?
Hey, “It’s Alive”, It’s Alive”:” keep going you will get it purring like a kitten! 👍👍👍
Glad you brought up the subject of dielectric grease.. I use it strictly for anti-corrosion. I have heard that moths also about it that you mentioned. Required on major terminals on service entrances and breaker panels. I never knew about the carbon factor but it makes sense. Those same people that are concerned about stack terminals with it in between probably still think the world is flat. I stumbled over channel. You do a good job and are concise about what you’re talking about. I can’t believe some of the stuff people have the guts to put on RUclips thinking they’re going to be a millionaire.
I admire your tenacity. You'll succeed eventually. It's hard to kill a Clark in my experience.
I have never seen one of these in my life but you do a great job of explaining it,I think you would make a good teacher
Oh yes, I _do_ like a careful mechanic.
So many butchers out there and they're painful to watch.
I had to tell the young blokes at work to slow down it's not a race as they liked breaking bolts ALSO the youngins Love using rattle guns that Stretch bolts which snap off on refitting them
@@johnharrop5530 yup but when u get paid flat rate and u got bills to pay they're racing against that book time
I ran one just like this with side shift for a while in the sand pit I worked at in high school. Awesome little machine
Great work with edits and your commentary you should be a college tutor! or do engines for dummies ..) .gl you show the issues n how to fix.
I lucked out and got my outside chores done BEFORE I saw your video was posted...other way around and chores not done and then no turkey for me on Thursday! Look forward to more on this forklift and getting it back to running and moving!
Hah! I don't want to interrupt turkey dinner.
Try some propane instead of starting fluid.
vodka be better
@@85square drink the vodka, then start the engine with propane!
@@Chris-bg8mk my face is melted off now
@@85square you mixed up the vodka, propane, and cigarettes...
I can't drink that stuff anymore.
I now understand, why we send them out from rebuild. But it's been super helpful to me to know what's in there
"it's really not that complicated"
"don't touch that, there's magic in there"
=DDD
Lovin' this!!
Hats off to you.. the injector rebuild was amazing.. educational.
First time for me.. cheers from Calgary
I found once you’ve used 24v on the starter a few times they don’t like going back to 12v become very lazy
Heh. Probably so. Usually the winding can handle it, but the duty cycle drops. So if you crank it too much it overheats. I've been involved with many 6V to 12V conversions and we always used the old 6V starters. They didn't seem to mind the higher voltage.
@@WatchWesWork That is not all that truthful, Most if not all starters are rated for much higher voltage, In some cases they are just different labels.
Back in 1952 I worked in a gas station that took road calls. The cars were still high % 6V batteries. We always used a 12v battery for jump start. Just don't have the lights on. Poof goes the bulbs.
I put a Carter fuel delivery pump on my Allis D19 with gravity feed to raise the input pressure to the tired injector pump. Wow it raised the pump output pressure enough that the tractor would even start in freezing weather without either.
Let’s get that red ford going too🤔😁
Wes, I'd take my hat off to you, if I wore one.
Your knowledge and determination is astonishing.
Thanks for the sharing and teaching in your videos.
I'm looking forward to hearing what the problem and solution was.
Stay safe.
Regards from S Africa
Clive
I can't count how many times I have worked on something I either picked up cheap, because it didn't work, or worked on someone else's machine that was horrible to use due to poor starting and more and how so much of it revolved around just awful starting circuit wiring issues.
Crappy replacement ends that were corroded to death,
Bad grounds connected to the first metal point they could hit (paper thin sheet metal usually) and not a major engine block or frame point.
Rotten cables that are more copper oxides than conductive copper.
Grossly undersized cables. Oddball (and old) 4 or 6 ga small vehicle cable (or solid core aluminum residential wire) for a big diesel or gas engine.
Starters that are way past worn out internally to where they are running on nothing but their rotors riding on the fields due to the shaft bearing/bushing being totally gone.
Way undersized battery for a big engine.
Amen
Really enjoyed this one - superb explanation of the workings of an injection pump. Thank you.
@36:51 someone shorted the jumper cables ;)
Minor detail!
@@WatchWesWork great work on that pump tho
Warren would be proud. His stanadyne pump video is great even though he is all over the place.
Did you check if the filter is blocked? That could cause some fuel starving if it is limiting how much fuel can get to the pump
There's plenty of fuel reaching the injection pump.
It fired up, so that counts as a start. Thanks for showing us the inside of one of those systems.
Watching the video thinking: "Damn! I'm glad he knows what he's doing, cause I sure as hell don't!"
Heh. I pretend.
@@WatchWesWork Fake it till you make it brother
He does a very good job given the conditions and limited knowledge very well done.
Well I'm not running a pump shop. Just trying to fix the obvious issues. But we need to dig deeper.
úse wd 40 to start it in stead of eather...
England. At the risk of being shot I'll say that most RUclips Americans tend to use the 'wide open spaces surrounded by teeth' or in other words 'talk AT you rather than to you'. It's a pleasure to listen to you Wes. Apart from that your pretty good 'bodger'. I was once crowned King Bodger. The art of bodging is to repair something for as little as possible for the absolute minumum cost. Not to be confused with those idiots who's repairs either won't last five minutes or kill sombody.
“When the sun goes down at this time of the year it pretty much goes dark”
Tough to work outside this time of year.
Ummm, when the sun goes down at any time of year, it generally goes dark. /s
@@firesurfer In the summer you can sometimes have 2 hours of light after the sun goes down. In the winter it's like 5 minutes.
@@firesurfer The nearer you live to the Polar Circle, the greater the difference in the day length between summer and winter. From the Polar Circle and further north, you get days when the sun never sets, but even 1000 miles further south, it never gets really dark at night at midsummer. The flipside of that is that the days get very short, or the sun never rises in winter far north
Thanks for the refresher course Wes. Well explained and illustrated. Cheers bud from the UK. Happy days.
it will burn WD-40 !!!
That would be better than what's in the fuel tank.
Embree Smith It's alot better than ether on the engine .
Very interesting and informative, new subscriber. Love this stuff, did it as boy. Now I'm disabled and this is the only way I get to enjoy it thank you very much.
Great Video Wes!! My two cents.......Blow back the lines to the tank, & replace the fuel filters. Maybe your getting fuel on a static line, but not enough flow to support a running engine. Costs nothing to check. But........your there & I'm here, so you have the birds-eye view of whats going on. Best of luck.....................
Hey Wes....! Many thanks for this... your pen and ink drawing of the basic priciple of how the pump works was really helpful. Love your vids, keep 'em coming! Greetings from Southport UK. (P.S. - don't get too cold!)
Thank you!
Had to come back and refresh my memory on this project!
cool video, love watching stuff like this where i can learn something. ( my wife had the telly stuck in something horrible too..) cheers for showing how one of these pumps work.
I try to be informational.
Thanks for the tutorial. The pump may have been stubborn but you were great at teaching me a few things. I'm sure that when you get it figured out it will be an Aha moment, I hope you will share - Thanks a bunch!
Yeah this one has me puzzled for sure.
That looks like the same engine on the 450 dozers and they spun a lot faster than that one does on 12 volts. I was around a mechanic changing out a unit injection pump on an old knuckle buster Cat 12 grader. He handed it to me and said to take it apart and hold it. I did for about 10 seconds and he said to put it back together. It wouldn't go back. He said the heat of my hand swelled the plunger that much BUT that unit was WORN OUT! there you go about crazy tolerances! Excellent description of the Roosa Master pump. A-PLUS!
There is a check valve on the return line. Make sure that is clean as well. I had one that was gummed up. It will run for a minute and once it builds up too much pressure on the low side it wont allow the high side to pump.
I've had then not even start when the return check is plugged up. The return check is a common source of no start, engine stall issues, especially on pumps that have had the flex ring totally deteriorate, into fine particles.
Thanks for keeping it real man! I laughed my balls off when your wrench went flying. I'm glad it's not just me! I'm glad I found your Channel. It's nice to see someone else sharing a passion for the Forgotten iron.
sounds like blocked filters. also CAV pumps have a screen in the end plate of the pump. but i don't know these pumps. Best pump repair video i have seen. ****
No. There is plenty of fuel reaching the injection pump.
You missed days of our general hospital for this. Lucky for you your wife can fill you in on all pertinent details.