Same here. Got over 40k miles between the wife and me with Apex/Attack/Vector machines. Average 10k per machine. Few quirks but nothing that leads to breakdowns on the trail.
Guess u never owned a exciter or the late 70’s early 80’s srx the motors blew up all the time. The exploder was the nickname for exciter. The nytro was crap couldn’t make it through one cross country race without every weld breaking on the front end and rear suspension blowing out great engine though. Also very cold sled to ride and unpredictable rough riding sled with poor handling. I saw it with my own eyes many times during my 15 year race career not as well built as people think. Had a 2006 phaser engine was great but couldn’t keep rear suspension in it and rode like crap. On groomed trails it was a blast but get into some rough stuff very unpredictable even dangerous . Sorry but my cats can run a entire race season without breaking. Just one of many reasons cat dominates cross country racing is they don’t break. SX racing forget about it can’t even get one race out of a Yamaha without it totally destroying the sled. Yamaha 4 stroke engines r awesome reliable but the rest of the sleds not good. Best thing yamaha ever did team up with cat use the pro cross chassis. Best chassis they ever had in my opinion. been some good Yamahas like the SRV the older phasers and SRX. The old V max chassis were ok had good engines but again chassis left something to be desired. Its a shame Yamaha is going away but not really surprised either. Yamaha could of built one of the greatest snowmobiles in the world. With all the money technology the facilities they have idk why they didn’t. My opinion is they just didn’t care enough or they would of done more. Dont like the idea of Yamaha going away never good losing competition. But with the winters were having and Yamahas sales being so low probably smart on there end. Its to bad for cat the Yamaha engine in the thundercat is awesome and all the sleds cat built for Yamaha had to help production costs. One if my first snowmobiles was a 81 SRV loved that sled definitely sad to see Yamaha leave the sport.
@@joshgessinger4509 man I feel like your rant matchs artic scrap to a T, lol. Where I grew up you couldnt go for a ride with out seeing a dead Cat on the trail with foot prints all around it, lol.
My first Yamaha was a 1974 GP246. Bought it from a neighbor in 82 and rode it for the next 18 years. I gave it back to my dad’s neighbor in 2000 who simply tuned it up, fixed a few wheels and gave it new paint. That sled is still running today.
It’s interesting. I’ve only been sledding for 2 seasons now. I did purchase a Ski Doo because Polaris had a sales freeze due to recalls. As a result- I’m the only one in a group of 13 with a Ski-Doo. All others ride Pro-RMK’s. We play in McCall, Idaho and I almost never see Ski-Doo’s. I enjoy my 2023 Summit Edge, 165 a lot. It’s a better built machine than the Polaris. But- I rode a Polaris last week for the first time, so much easier to ride. And a much better seat. Decided next season I will trade in the Ski-Doo for a Khaos- if they are selling them- damn recalls!
Sleds died after 2005. (For me). This is industry can not survive when the average price is only a couple grand less than an entry level car. With questionable winters, snowmobiling is going to become a vintage sled hobby, only.
@ADDvanced Overall, I'd say it's a good overall sled. Reminds me of the old lynx. I'd say Snotrax got it right when they said it's perfect for the younger, smaller rider and the older crowd, like me. I pretty much rode the 500-600 class machines when they came about. I am a 2 stroke junkie, but I'd probably get used to the 400 single. Price? I guess 7-9k isn't terrible in today's market.
@@ADDvanced it really sucks that these new sleds are so much money especially when I can get a used 800 cc triple for $500 nowadays that actually rides the rest of the season with no minor issues 🤷♂️
@@d-boyzeighteenhundred What's real crazy are cheap procross sleds imho. 3k for a 160hp zuke 800 with modern suspension and electric start and reverse?! Omg I would have kicked a baby for one 10 years ago
I want to say it was maybe late 2020 or early 2021, we were knocking back a few at a buddy's house and one guy in attendance was a yamaha rep. Nice guy, and he was telling us something that we never believed until the major announcement. He said....yamaha is getting out of the snowmobile business! We all laughed because we thought he was full of shit. He said, no man. We are getting out of the business because theres no money to be made. It's a narrow band in a worldwide recreational market. They tried to elevate the snowmobile division by going premium. They dropped the engines that made them the same as everyone else and began doing four strokes and adding high teck functions to move the division to a low volume, high profit model like Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bugatti, etc. You get my drift. Problem being, the People who could afford such snowmobiling extravagance at the time, were replacing their 2 srokes every season but keeping their yamahas longer and still buying 2 strokes every season. They underestimated the market and instead of ushering in a new luxury snowmobile division, they shot themselves in the face by pricing themselves out of the market for the people who where actually lining the pockets of polaris, Arctic Cat and BRP. The people that could buy a 340, 380, 440, 500LC, etc, couldn't buy a Yamaha priced 60-75% more. Dropping 2 strokes and going premium was the beginning of the end. The 2014 partnership with Arctic Cat was Yamaha divesting itself of snowmobile development. The writing was on the wall but we didn't see it. I knew this was happening 3 years ago and still didn't believe it. Look for Yamaha to heavily invest in the marine industry, its global.
BRP has massive quality and reliability issues though. Couldn't pay me to take a BRP product. Any of them. They won't be dominating anything, especially marine. _ESPECIALLY_ motorcycles. Polaris and Cat tend to be the trend setters in the sled world, though. Most of the sleds I see on local trails and play areas are all Polaris for the most part. Tend to be a lot of older sleds because new ones are so grossly expensive. It doesn't matter all that much that BRP made 10B in revenue since the entire market size for snowmobiles (as of 23) is only valued at 1.2B. BRP makes planes and trains, a ton of their revenue comes from those things. Only a small smattering of that total comes from recreation products.
@@ADDvanced 121” to 144”. The factory track was 136” but I could not find one in stock anywhere with the 2.52. Ordered the 15x144x1.25 track and extensions that shud tip up the tail of track. I’ll see what’s in the box when I return home.
Yamaha is ahead of the curve. This sport is to expensive. Then to top it off, places that used to get alot of snow, no longer get said snow. The trails where I live, have opened for less then a week, every year, for the last 10 years. We used to be able to ride from late November, til early March. Now were lucky if the trails open for a few days in the middle of January. So I can see why Yamaha decided to get out of the game. I don't blame them. I sold my sled and haven't looked back.
@@ianlemieux7208 Maybe artic cat would be my guess. Their stuff is garbage minus the Suzuki engines. Their atvs are junk. Never had one of their sleds. Skidoo and Polaris are dominating the snowmobile market, and have been for years.
@alotl1kevegas860 yes my first pick is arctic cat. They will need to sell a ton of new machines to pay off the new catalyst chasis and 858 motor. Arctic cat may have gotten into the game to late.
I was with you until the whole socialism Conspiracy. Your true colours bled thru the video pretty quick. Government grants and partnerships to create new places for innovation to thrive isn’t a socialist ideology. It’s called investing in the future. Something most capitalists can’t agree on. Stop being short sighted and learn how to feed future generations with the wealth of today. It’s called sustainability. That’s why Yamaha and Cat, and the military propped up Polaris are losing traction. And me being Canadian, won’t buy a BRP product because of how they treat their dealers(powersports employee for 20+ years) Come to find out Polaris is even worse. I thought BRP was all about quarterly profits until I took the reins of a Service dept of a Polaris shop. Anna talk disheartening.
The socialism was tongue in cheek because most snowmobilers are triggered by it. I wish we had universal healthcare and free education like countries w democratic socialism that benefits the working class.
@@ADDvanced I’ve been trying to get my tonsils out for 15 years but thanks to my “free” healthcare no specialist ever gave me the go ahead. Now I’m 40 with enlarged tonsils, have to deal with tonsillitis every few years and sleep apnea an a cpap because of it. I’m about to roll the dice I Mexico I think.
@@OGReeber Mexico is becoming the only affordable choice. I went to a walk in clinic for an inhaler once, waited 15 minutes, saw a doctor for 10 minutes. I was charged almost $4,000 USD. Insanity.
@@ADDvanced I said a Recreational / Recreational Vehicle not a Log Hauler.. Can you check your trapping line with a Log Hauler or tow your Dark house out on the Lake .. The Steam engine Log Hauler would be too heavy to operate on the ice .. Apples are not Oranges.
And if we don't start getting better winter's here in MI and IN then this season of 2024 their will be a huge drop on snowmobile sales across the board as many of the snowmobile company's are getting out of the snowmbile sport we just don't get the snow like we used too back in the day, end of february here and it's 65 degrees out unreal
Yamaha quit the market after the sanctions with Russia they sold a crazy amount of snowmobiles to Russia and when the war took place and they are no longer allowed to sell to them it doesn’t come out financially to continue the sled industry
Canadian and Ski-Doo lover here. When you started talking politics, I kind of cringed. But you make pretty good points. I get that you want to see Polaris and Cat having a level playing field with BRP. But that is a conversation you need to have with your own government. About 70% of Canadians are A-OK with the socialized nature of things up here. (This is where the 30% get really loud. LOL) As for your take on income inequality, I tend to agree. I think we all feel it. As a Gen Xer, I definitely saw how we had it harder than the boomers when we started out. Now I see my Millenial and Gen Z daughters facing even harder times (I've got one in each age bracket). I've bought Ski-Doos in 2013, 2018, and now ordering a 2025. The price increase is stupid, and I can understand the resentment from those getting priced out. Thanks for putting your views out there to get the conversation going. I will definitely check out more of your videos!
Well most of my vids are fixing old broken things but I had some drinks to mourn Yamaha and felt like talking some sh*t. For more challenging ones I did do an “end of snowmobiling” video you might enjoy.
Frankly other than Yamaha specific parts like body and clutching you could dig into the parts manuals and see what matches between the Cat and Yamaha machines for the last decade and go that route. You’ll probably match a lot more parts than you think.
Yes sleds are crazy expensive now and dude is right that BRP is heavily subsidized by the Canadian government. With both Yamaha and Arctic Cat leaving the market it’s just Polaris and BRP now and both have had major reliability issues…but where are you gonna go when they’ve got the market by the balls? The used sled market is the only option I would entertain now and let those who buy new sleds take the hit for thousands of dollars in depreciation.
@@ClessieCummins254 Textron was trying to turn things around financially for Arctic Cat but Yamaha exiting the market was a big hit to AC. AC sold Yamaha all of their snowmobile chassis and many other body components. Unless things changed the writing was in the wall. BRP has an estimated 60% market share of sleds and Polaris estimated at 35% so that only left 5% for AC and Yamaha to split.
It is all about quality and customer service. BRP is not socialized or govt supported, their current product line just has greater uptime and consistent performance. Making quality products is not that hard over choosing cheap. Each brand has had a "lifetime" to perfect the products. I am honestly surprised they are not much better than they are. I do agree with your economic outlook and what is happening to wages and the abaility to spend on luxuries. What killed Cat is reporting to shareholders profit demands instead of consumers of their product imo. But what do I know right :-)
Multifactorial: Less snow at lower elevations equates to hauling the sleds to the mountains. Shorter snow seasons with climate change, again, hauling them to the mountains .In the 80's, almost every farm had sleds and the fields were fully loaded with sled tracks. Units sold world wide has been declining for years. Fast foreward to today, Lack of snow and we have not been able to ride except in the mountains. The decision to go to a fully 4 stroke line up, heavy sleds, not always the best in the mountains. Yamaha built the best sleds in the 70's, road that popularity into the 80's-90's, with the Phazer. Polaris and Ski-doo came on strong in the 2000's. Today, sledding is a expensive proposition, $15K + sleds, trailers or sled decks, Gore-Tex this and that, riders nowdays are dressed in $2000 set-ups while riding. The technology, always advancing has become price inhibiting, My 1st sled was a 1977 Yamaha Exciter. A relic compared to what's on the snow today, but during that era, we were king shit, able to ride long winters, and didn't have to haul them to another state to ride and didn't have to break the bank to own one, and had the times of our lives. Arctic Cat's days are numbered. and what was over 100 brands back in the hay days, will be down to 2 companies. At least, buy American.
Russia really liked buying Yamaha snowmobiles, guess who can’t buy Yamaha snowmobiles anymore, which company is not making snowmobiles anymore? Oh ya Yamaha
Since Yamaha is out the snowmobile game now there is now 3 snowmobile manufacturers now but really their is 4, the other Taiga, Since you mentioned BRP they followed Taiga, BRP will get the credit for being first, But Taigia was the first marketed electric snowmobile.
Remember folks at one time there were over 40 Brands of Sleds. Snowmobiles rely on a 3 to 4 month season of Snow. It only takes 1 or 2 poor Snow seasons to shutdown a Company. Since 2000, Snowmobiles have been designed and built for 20 and 30 years olds. All the sleds look like Kawasaki Ninjas. With that you loose the Trail Riders that are not doing 90 mph with their Hair on fire.
Nothing will run as long as a yamaha 4 stroke... and that's no lie does not even come close.... and they are fast just heavy compared to the 2 strokes in the mountains I understand trail riding nothing with run with the yamadog I'm very sad the run is done.... just got in from a 100 mile ride In michigan and every sled with the hood off was a ski doo. Or ski dont
What a bunch of B.S. lies dave, More people trust SKI-DOO than any other brand period! The only time a Yamaha sled was fast is if they take a motorcyle engine and put a turbo on it. SKI-DOO DOMINATES THE MARKET BECAUSE THEY MAKE THE BEST SNOWMOBILES ON THE PLANET PERIOD END OF STORY!
@@captain2574 nope, It’s call Ski-Doo!!! You just can’t stand the fact that Ski-Doo is the #1 snowmobile manufacture in the world! Ski-Doo is #1 in market share and every other manufacture sucks hind titty!
Textron actually owns both Polaris and Arctic Cat. So there's really going to be 2 major players in snowmobiles in 2024...I agree, competition is good for the industry, but one thing you didn't mention is here in the northeast US, the season for snowmobiling seems to be getting shorter and shorter every year. Regardless of the reason, the weather lately hasn't been conducive for riding. I am sure this hurts sales of new sleds in my part of the US.
Yes, Textron dam near sunk Polari! But they were bought back from Textron in the early eighties. Polaris is now like 10+ times bigger than Arctic. BRP yeah, is huge! But the industry is and probably will forever be cyclic, when the economy sucks and snow conditions are bad to nil it's really tough on the snowmobile industry. I've lived it!
Watch this video if you haven't: ruclips.net/video/gX3vtpUqwk8/видео.html I am so frustrated with 'snowmobilers' largely ignoring reality, and repeating BS they heard on TV/the radio instead of using their brains.
Cat's out by the looks of it now, just Polaris and Skipoo left I guess. Bang on when it comes to income equality, it's a big problem coming down the road for all of us reg folk.
And even worse, Yamaha sleds have been built on Arctic Cat chassis' for the last ten years. This will put a real dent in Cat production and I'm sure will take away some jobs.
Yamaha has not been same for a long time or any brand. Mid 80's to the 90's was Yamaha's best snowmobiles, If I had a money for a new sled I would rather spend it on a 90's vmax or Exciter SX. I am sure people felt the same way when John Deere got out of the game.
The sleds you are seeing on the trail have more to do with dealer networks in your area than anything else. Have a great dealer that treats their customers right, sales increase and so does word of mouth.
honestly if cat and polaris made way better entry level machines i think they could get a leg up. low displacement ie 340-600cc. no frills machines.dirt bikes, go karts, outboards, etc with a pricetag under 7k for whatever. when a new sled costs more then a car there is a big issue at hand in getting riders in the market.
Used good vintage Cats like Jag leafers and Puma IFS and Jag IFS and fan Z IFS machines are holding resale value because of this market gap you described. Lots were bought for ice fishing or grandpa sleds new. So mint used after Gramps passes is bringing 2 or three grand for a perfect 570Z where I’m at. Even with the poor winters. Parts are still plentiful with some web digging.
@@glenmallory9982 Yeah... the problem is poor winters = poor trails, and those vintage sleds are amazing on smooth trails, but pretty brutal on poor trails. Still fun tho!
U dont have to go buy the biggest and baddest snowmobile out there. Plenty of new sleds selling from $12,000-$15000. Specifically if u shop around ur gonna find a great sled for $12,000. Dirt biked cost that much now lol!!
Not funded by Canadian government, that is Bombardier Aircraft, and that has been stopped, this guy is wrong on the invention part, they talk about the recreational market, not some random commercial product, plus that product he referred to was dead before it got going. Funny how the yanks think they invented everything, Aircraft was flown in Nova Scotia Canada by Alexandre Graham Bell 10 years before the Wright brothers, the telephone was also invented in Canada by Bell, plus the radio transmission was perfected in Montreal by Marconi before anyone else ,first Signal was sent to Europe from St. Johns NFLD, sorry forgot the date.
Incorrect, google "BRP 496 Million Loan" and you'll see they still get massive amounts of help from the government. No, I'm not wrong. Lombard log hauler is a snowmobile. The first one ever, in human history. Hence why a mountain was named after it, because it was notable as the first vehicle designed to travel across snow, with two skis in front, and an endless track in back. Figure it out!
I 💯 agree with you about the cost of everything going up and our last couple of winters in southern ontario have been crap with little to no snow . Who wants to spend 1000s on a new sled with no snow
I would've loved to get another cat after 25 years of not buying a sled or riding. I looked around and first thought Yamaha, then hear about them discontinuing them and moved on to Artic Cat. So looked at the prices of the AC's and was shell shocked! Left to go look at Polaris and Ski doo, and immediately seen you can get a 850 ski doo for equal or less price than a Cat 600! Talked to the dealer about the ski doo's and asked if I should also look at his Polaris line and he laughed and said if you don't mind your sled being in the shop for warranty work it recalls half the season it's a great sled. He admitted he rode the Polaris himself but he also said he didn't have to buy it or be without one of it's in the shop, and he would own a ski doo if it was his money. So Ski Doo makes it an easy choice at the end of the day, but dam I sure do love the look of a green Arctic Cat!
U can find a catalyst 600 for little over $12,000. Idk where ur getting ur prices from but a 600 cat isn’t more than a 850 doo. Cat is around $200 more model to model comparison idk why. Think its kinda stupid when cat doesn’t have control of the market share but whatever. $200 maybe little more but isnt going to discourage me from buying the sled i really want. All a lot of money now but if u search model to model with equal shock packages and accessories all comparable. Was just pricing a 858 catalyst other day ATAC shock package $18778 out the door tax included. Ur not gonna find much better deal on a 850 with premium shock package than that.
@@joshgessinger4509 well duh everything snow related just dropped several grand the past couple weeks due to no snow. The AC is still more than the others after the price drops due to rebates and dealer incentives.
@@troyt5309 dont duh me i know more about sleds and the market than most anyone out there obviously more the u lol!!. 858 has no rebates idiot cant get one till next season duh. Been in this sport since i could walk owned more sleds than most dream. Have more wins and championships racing sleds than most could ever imagine. If ur looking at a 600 thats more than a 850 doo its either a real bad deal or a way better shock package and optioned sled. O ya looking at Yamahas u know a Yamaha today is just another arctic cat right lol!! Cats r not that much more money just a little more money but if u shop around ur going to pay around the same for any of them. Ur just some part time snowflake that hasn’t even rode in 25 years ur not a snowmobiler so stop pretending hahaha
@@joshgessinger4509 funny you pretend to know me and the prices I was shown so your assumptions make you foolish. I don't care how many snowmobile you owned or think you know the facts are the facts at my local dealers. Suppose you want to Argue Yamaha is the top selling band now as well? Btw everyone knows Artic cat and Yamaha are two of the same that just dumb to even say it out loud anymore like you think you know something the rest of the world does lmao.
My thoughts on re-vitalizing the snowmobile industry. Build some early 70's sleds and make them affordable. Like a 340 enticer, an old school tundra, a 399 Panther, and an early 400 indy. That would introduce more people to snow travel.
I think you are mistaken about BRP getting government funds, BRP was bought back by the Bombardier family, and is not part of the company that builds planes and such. The industrial company known as Bombardier keeps getting government bail outs, but as I understand, BRP is not part of that.
Ski Doo is now owned by a branch of Bombardier Inc.( Bombardier Aviation ). Bombardier the maker of the Rotax engine is 100% BRP, and just as they cornered the market in Aviation, they are trying to do the same with snowmobiles and jet skis. It was good to see Arctic Cat come out with the Catalyst 858 and give Ski Doo a run for their money! However, I like the vintage aged sleds like the Phazer and Phazer 2. What I also find interesting is that most of the older sleds, especially the triple triples out run the news sleds easily! Cheers !
I’ve never found Yamaha sleds to be the fastest, but they sure are damn reliable. I’ve owned several Yamahas, Polaris, Arctic cat and skidoo. I found skidoo to be unreliable, and just a nightmare, Polaris was better, never had much trouble with them, I loved my cats and Yamahas though. It’s surprising to me that Arctic cat built such awful atv’s but did really good on sleds. Yamaha seems to strike gold on everything they build. I’m still running a 23 year old Yamaha big bear 400, I told myself I’ll buy a kodiak when this one dies, it’s still going very strong with only minor maintenance. I may never get another new quad at this rate.
It's because they didn't have any on the show room floors to look at and you had to order them same with Arctic Cat's I'm surprise they aren't going to close the doors too.. If you can't look at the sled or try them before buying them why buy one..?
I’m not sure that the government money thing is correct. Bombardier is totally separate from BRP. BRP can more than hold their own. Bombardier was a bit of a basket case like GM was in the 00s. Too big to fail. BRP very different.
Yamaha has been planning their escape from the market for a decade. They hung on by sharing manufacturing costs with Arctic. I think they were looking for a market turnaround that never really came. Arctic came scarily close to closing about 2017. Bad management. Just like the previous Cat scares of 1974 and 1981. Overproduction and market errors. Textron gave them a cash Infusion that kept them going. I’ve ridden both brands and liked both. Cat can turn things around and probably make it as a high end specialty maker of expensive low volume machines. But the days of selling 50,000 Panthers a year have been gone for decades. Yamaha was not prepared for the die hard two stroke market. The number of folks who collect the SRX 2 stroke twins and triples seems to be growing.
Yamaha has left the market and now Textron is shutting down Arctic Cat production and looking for a buyer. Hopefully we won’t be down to just two sled manufacturers for long. It’s a shame what Textron did to Arctic Cat. AC was in a bad financial position when they bought them but Textron had deep pockets and could have really turned the brand around. Seems like put everything into the Wildcat XX which didn’t sell well and had issues. Their sleds were still competitive but expensive. Seems like they could have done better, but I know it’s been a tough market this past year or so.
@@ADDvanced I will check it out!! I'm an IT guy who has been sledding since the early 80s here in MN. I started on a 74 Yamaha GP246. Have had a number of Arctic Cats, Yamahas. I hate to see both Arctic Cat and Yamaha leave the market...especially Arctic Cat since they're a MN company with a long history here; plus this seems to impact all of Arctic Cat and not just their sleds. AC has made some very nice ATVs too.
I'll do a video on it this summer, but every 'car guy' I know who likes speed and looks into getting a boat buys the same thing: You can pick up a 300hp seadoo for $16k, with affordable monthly financing. Mercury/Brunswick Boat Group does not even try to offer anything exciting; their entire model lineup is pretty boring and not performance oriented at all. Sea Ray flirted with the idea when they had the Pachanga line, but that came and went because it was so overpriced. If they don't start going after EXCITING, ATTAINABLE products, they will find themselves in a Harley Davidson position where everything they sell is only desired by old people, and they stop attracting younger customers. BRP is already showing how innovative they are with the Switch pontoon, far more designed, fresh, and innovative than any type of boat Brunswick has put out in the past few decades... so when that guy with the 300hp jetski gets a family, what is he going to spend money on? A boring 45k bayliner that can't even do 50mph, or a $20k modular pontoon from the same company he's used to, that can use the same accessories, dealer, app, etc? Fact is BRP is thriving after going after younger customers. Brunswick/Merc does not seem to care, and is instead printing money by selling gigantic boats with 8 outboards on the back of the hull to rich old people.
I had a 2005 Yamaha Attack.. I loved that thing... It really was bullet proof.. I had a yamaha jet ski and that thing was bullet proof.. If I ever got a motorcycle it would be Yamaha.. I would love a Yamaha outboard.. Yamaha keyboards and acoustic guitars ROCK.. I am getting into Ebikes and I really like Yamaha mid-drives..
Don't scapegoat irrelevant terms like socialism for your own inability to accept the fact that superior technical innovation has been BRP's best motivation to success.. We need to look no further than the rider forward "Rev" platform, for instance which took the entire industry by storm..... This has nothing to do with socialism but everything to do with hard work and commitment to dream beyond the accepted conventions accepted by the rest of the industry over the past fifty years.
You are correct, the rev chassis was revolutionary in terms of rider position, no doubt. But when one almost nationalized company can get 496 million dollar loans, how do you expect smaller privatized companies to compete with that? Love a lot of BRPs products, their designers have been KILLING it lately, but I don't want Cat and Polaris to quit making sleds, which might happen if we continue on the current path.
@@ADDvanced BRP represents a multi-billion conglomerate that more than likely lends money to banks.... Snowmobile and ATVS are just a small fraction of the company, which produces everything from airlines, executive jets, tramways and even train lines.. I don't quite understand what their success and technological advances and innovation have with the smaller companies. There's plenty of room for the all the manufacturers but to throw around terms like "socialism "is unhelpful for anyone and completely unnecessary.
There are no guarantees the other manufacturers will ever complete fully with such a large conglomerate however, why would you blame them for working so hard to become such a success ? Both companies exist in the free enterprise system which rewards the highest innovation and hard work.. Competition makes me stimulus for better products and the consumer makes me final decision..
@@jeffreyhagelin3672 BRP is a separate entity from Bombardier aerospace. It was part of a restructuring by Bombardier, whose aerospace and transportation businesses were struggling. BRP has absolutely nothing to do with Bombardier aircraft anymore.
Dude, the Corporate profits were all dependent on raising prices of sleds while easy low interest financing was available. That easy financing is gone and the corps will need to time to recognize and adjust, when 100 sleds get sold next year. When price increases the quantity drops. Tune in again in 5 years, see where we are. In the meantime there are plenty of lighter used sleds around to use, due to the warming trends and people leaving the sport. I took all my machines out of Buffalo, and transported them down to SC, will pull the engines and sell on Ebay. Im done, last couple times I considered going the snow melted in old Forge NY a few days before i was set to go. Can see the trail cams up there.
The wealth distribution problem could be fixed by simply treating all income the same...no special rate for capital gains (notice the correlation on your chart with the beginning of capital gains being taxed less than the maximum income rate) ...but the big money in the US owns both political parties and as such things will continue to get worse. It is sad that Yamaha is getting out of the snow machine business though..they made some great sleds.
It just shows you nothing last forever, I am sad that Yamaha is done in sleds,Yamaha has moved the bar up so many times in there snowmobiling history and could build awesome machines when they set there mind to it. But the way I see it people are brand loyal and when they switch to another brand, that will influence other thing the might normally buy. So i hope Yamaha understands that as well. You would have had to be living in a cave not to see the writing on the wall for them. I have been snowmobiling since 1973.
Yeah, it still sucks though. The marine industry is even worse, only one company is making performance motors now, and nobody can even afford them. All the 'fast stuff' for the working class is just gone.
The upper income elites can make money on foreign workers, but middle class USA labor workers cannot. The middle class gets poorer all the time. It is because of the trade deficit. Middle class wealth is now alive and well in foreign countries. I have several BRP machines and they are outstanding. Value added tax is also a factor. It is an export subsidy and kills American manufacturing. Canada has iT, MEXICO HAS IT, CHINA, JAPAN, GERMANY all have it. Not a level playing field.
I don't think they've done that for a long time, Cat is trying to vertically integrate and get the engine production in house so they don't have to buy them from suppliers (good idea!)
Personally for me to invest 10-14k in a sled I might be able to use a month out of the year and have to travel to do it. So for the average northern United States working stiff, no way.
I have not had much luck with BRP I went back to a Yamaha ATTAK. Now that Yamaha is getting out of the game I am debating on going to Cat or Polarise. We shall see. I like the reliability of the 4strokes. Just wish they were a little lighter. R.I.P. Yamaha Snowmobiles!
I'm pretty content with my 2015 Cat with the Suzuki 800. In one of my other videos, I just picked up another sled with a Zuke 800 and it has almost 11k miles. 2 Strokes can be very reliable, but most new engines are trying to run cleaner for emissions, and are pushing it with lubrication so they just don't seem to hold together as well. There are some Suzuki 800s with over 20k on them, and they're used in helicopters these days.
You are incorrect about BRP taking government subsidies. The company was split many years ago and the family kept control of the recreational equipment and became BRP, and Bombardier was made its own separate company to build the Challenger jets and trains. It’s Bombardier that is sinking and taking the government bailout money. No money in private jets and trains. Just greedy shareholders. The recreational industry is doing just fine. But I ride a Polaris myself up here. Just like the look of them more. 🇨🇦
Too Bad Skidoo did not keep building their Can Am Motorcycles .. Socialism in Canada is interesting as they are not using Americans money to build better sleds. CZ Motorcycles were the best Motocross bikes in the World at one time. Suzuki had to copy them directly .
@@ADDvanced I am not sure if JAWA and CZ are the same or not .. A guy I went to School with had a JAWA 250 dirt bike .. a Local Outboard and boat dealer sold them 2 miles from where I live ..
@@bobbarker4255 You did not read my comment. CZ Two Stroked Dethroned the British 4 strokes .. Suzuki took a CZ back to Japana and Copied it. CZ's were around before any Japanese Company built a Scrambler. Scrambles later became Motocross.
Ya it's very sad... I won't drive Skidoo.... I find i always root for the underdogs so i got 2 Polaris and 2 Cats to be safem.. it's sad to see Yamaha go they always made great sleds. As we all know more competition is better for the industry.....
Same. Plus I loved how Cat just seemed to want to make it go as fast as possible, everything else doesn't matter. The El Tigre, the Wildcat, the Thundercats, just ridiculous snowmobiles :D
What exactly are you expecting the brp faithful to say? I think most of us are shocked that yamaha is no longer in the game. I'm not happy about it, and I'm a BRP guy. Competition is good for all markets. I think yamaha messed up thinking 4 stroke were the future. Yes they are fast and powerful, but they aren't light and nimble like the 2 strokes. Yamaha should've had a few 2 stroke offerings that were competitive with the others. That would kept them in the game with younger riders
High end sleds and SXS's will be a dime a dozen after these industries collapse. Artic Cat is toast also now here soon. Americans didn't learn anything from the last recession. This next one will be bigger than 2008!
Oh Americans learned plenty! The problem is CORPORATE AMERICA does not give a fuck. They want ever increasing profits, every single quarter, and the only thing they give a shit about is next quarter. They don't care about a year from now, or 5 years from now, just gotta keep chasing boomers with money and producing products the working class can't afford.
Im gona go out on a limb and say zero percent chance that the canadian gov is subsidising brp for snowmobiles. I could see the aerospace division needing help because well this super great american company lobbied as hard as they could so that brps new jet would never be the threat it should have been to the competition. That company is beoing. The snowmobile division makes money like you pointed out in this video. Your colours are showing
Look it up man, they get MASSSSSSSSIIVVEEEEEEE loans from the government and good rates. The loan amounts are obscene compared to the annual revenue of Cat, Polaris, etc. Link that took 3 seconds to find: www.newswire.ca/news-releases/brp-announces-the-repricing-of-its-term-loan-b-2-842315789.html Also I don't have colors or political affliations, I just like making fun of snowmobilers who hate socialism by calling them socialists :)
Yamaha is far too expensive. I priced a 2025 last edition sidewinder today, $35k canadian before taxes. Who can afford that? How many Can they be selling? Of course, they are done. A similar choice at Polaris or BRP would be like $25k. I want a Yamaha bit that's ridiculous. My local dealer can't sell his last 2023 model.
Truth of truth is Yamaha is bowing to WEF and their agendas, leisure motor sports for the masses not welcome… Even their motorcycle division beginning to be paired down to lower cc offerings, Vmax dead, R1 dead… This trend will continue until it’s either all 125cc utilitarian motorcycles or electric offerings. You said it in your rant… middle class consumerism quickly on the way out, other manufacturers will follow.
They could build stuff for us if they wanted to, but the short term quarterly profit dicks in charge steer the ship, and they'd rather fleece rich boomers than build anything for the working class except economy stuff. Super annoying.
Brp is a head because they charge over $100 or more just for a small parts or whatever it is stupid expensive just for a replacement part or an accessories
Yamaha quit making 2 cycles 20 years ago, at that point they were done. It is amazing that they held on this long, probably mostly from their reputation for reliability.
@@ADDvanced yeah it is, I still love my mcx 270 turbo nytro mtx. It has so many mods lol and weighs lighter than a ski doo 154 turbo. The power these yamaha motors piss out on turbos is insane.
Bombardier isn’t known for inventing the skidoo, it’s known for inventing the rubber covered sprocket. Why do you think there logo is a sprocket. Yes possibly the government is funding BRP, it doesn’t stop the other companies from coming up with new ways to shape the industry. But the way governments are shaping society these days, things are changing, not only in our sport, but in general. Hopefully life takes a different approach and it gets more affordable so that we can enjoy our toys and hopefully Yamaha comes back. Fingers crossed 🤞🤞🤞🤞
My chances of encountering a transgender in the bathroom are pretty low, but my wife’s and daughter’s chances are much higher because all transgenders use the female bathroom. If you want really low odds, before Rowe was overturned, about 600,000 people out of 370,000,000 got an abortion in any given year. That’s .0016 percent, much lower than encountering a trans in the John, yet it’s also a top issue for people. 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, kind of my point. All these 'non issues' that get people all fired up and passionate, meanwhile the rich is just gutting the middle class as corporations buy more and more housing for investment purposes.... but crickets, cuz bathrooms and abortions have people distracted.
lol bullshit BRP gets government money. well they do but that is for their aircraft, the sleds are on their own. Bottom line is BRP has market share because their product is head and shoulders above cat and pooh. Tell cat charging 13k for a 400cc sled is ridiculous and that is why they suck
BRP will NEVER dominate the motorcycle industry. That’s a great talking point, but won’t ever happen. The big 4 Japanese companies are just that. The big 4. Can’t speak to snowmobiles, but I don’t see that many people changing over to BRP unless the bikes are free. And motorcycling as a hobby, like a lot of things right now is dieing. Young people don’t even like driving let alone going our riding a motorcycle. So it would require current riders to change brands. Not gonna happen.
I wouldn't bet on that, their new Origin and Pulse look extremely well designed, and they're going to undercut Harley's livewire by a massive amount, if we can look at history. Get out of here with that young people comment; THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO. Most young people are busy giving all their money to insane rents and student loans. And before you go off on that, sorry, in order for America to be #1, we need an educated population. Our economy and military strength is not based on blue collar work, it's based on technology. I don't think a HVAC guys are going to help us beat China in outerspace. No offence so HVAC guys. Love you all! :P
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I have owned Yamaha's my whole life and have never been stranded by them. I love my Yamaha's.
Mine break down all the time but I manage to revive them lol
Same here. Got over 40k miles between the wife and me with Apex/Attack/Vector machines. Average 10k per machine. Few quirks but nothing that leads to breakdowns on the trail.
Guess u never owned a exciter or the late 70’s early 80’s srx the motors blew up all the time. The exploder was the nickname for exciter. The nytro was crap couldn’t make it through one cross country race without every weld breaking on the front end and rear suspension blowing out great engine though. Also very cold sled to ride and unpredictable rough riding sled with poor handling. I saw it with my own eyes many times during my 15 year race career not as well built as people think. Had a 2006 phaser engine was great but couldn’t keep rear suspension in it and rode like crap. On groomed trails it was a blast but get into some rough stuff very unpredictable even dangerous . Sorry but my cats can run a entire race season without breaking. Just one of many reasons cat dominates cross country racing is they don’t break. SX racing forget about it can’t even get one race out of a Yamaha without it totally destroying the sled. Yamaha 4 stroke engines r awesome reliable but the rest of the sleds not good. Best thing yamaha ever did team up with cat use the pro cross chassis. Best chassis they ever had in my opinion. been some good Yamahas like the SRV the older phasers and SRX. The old V max chassis were ok had good engines but again chassis left something to be desired. Its a shame Yamaha is going away but not really surprised either. Yamaha could of built one of the greatest snowmobiles in the world. With all the money technology the facilities they have idk why they didn’t. My opinion is they just didn’t care enough or they would of done more.
Dont like the idea of Yamaha going away never good losing competition.
But with the winters were having and Yamahas sales being so low probably smart on there end. Its to bad for cat the Yamaha engine in the thundercat is awesome and all the sleds cat built for Yamaha had to help production costs. One if my first snowmobiles was a 81 SRV loved that sled definitely sad to see Yamaha leave the sport.
@@joshgessinger4509 man I feel like your rant matchs artic scrap to a T, lol. Where I grew up you couldnt go for a ride with out seeing a dead Cat on the trail with foot prints all around it, lol.
My first Yamaha was a 1974 GP246. Bought it from a neighbor in 82 and rode it for the next 18 years. I gave it back to my dad’s neighbor in 2000 who simply tuned it up, fixed a few wheels and gave it new paint. That sled is still running today.
don't be ridiculous. Yamaha sealed their fate when they stopped making 2 stroke sleds, of course they can't compete with the big 3 now..
There is no big 3. There now the big 1 (BRP) and 2 smaller companies that probably don't equal BRP's sales combined.
Correct
I said the same thing back then..
They should have kept some 2 stroke model Sled's to sell.
I wonder who was the DumbShit who made That call ?
When are they stopping production? You can still order the 2025 models.
@@joelregimbal5416 exactly, 2025, that's it that's the last year
It’s interesting. I’ve only been sledding for 2 seasons now. I did purchase a Ski Doo because Polaris had a sales freeze due to recalls. As a result- I’m the only one in a group of 13 with a Ski-Doo. All others ride Pro-RMK’s. We play in McCall, Idaho and I almost never see Ski-Doo’s. I enjoy my 2023 Summit Edge, 165 a lot. It’s a better built machine than the Polaris. But- I rode a Polaris last week for the first time, so much easier to ride. And a much better seat. Decided next season I will trade in the Ski-Doo for a Khaos- if they are selling them- damn recalls!
Sleds died after 2005. (For me). This is industry can not survive when the average price is only a couple grand less than an entry level car. With questionable winters, snowmobiling is going to become a vintage sled hobby, only.
Thoughts on the arctic cat blast? Costs 7-9k, smaller, less features
@ADDvanced Overall, I'd say it's a good overall sled. Reminds me of the old lynx. I'd say Snotrax got it right when they said it's perfect for the younger, smaller rider and the older crowd, like me. I pretty much rode the 500-600 class machines when they came about. I am a 2 stroke junkie, but I'd probably get used to the 400 single. Price? I guess 7-9k isn't terrible in today's market.
@@davesiringo7147 I really wanna ride one sometime.
@@ADDvanced it really sucks that these new sleds are so much money especially when I can get a used 800 cc triple for $500 nowadays that actually rides the rest of the season with no minor issues 🤷♂️
@@d-boyzeighteenhundred What's real crazy are cheap procross sleds imho. 3k for a 160hp zuke 800 with modern suspension and electric start and reverse?! Omg I would have kicked a baby for one 10 years ago
I want to say it was maybe late 2020 or early 2021, we were knocking back a few at a buddy's house and one guy in attendance was a yamaha rep. Nice guy, and he was telling us something that we never believed until the major announcement. He said....yamaha is getting out of the snowmobile business! We all laughed because we thought he was full of shit. He said, no man. We are getting out of the business because theres no money to be made. It's a narrow band in a worldwide recreational market. They tried to elevate the snowmobile division by going premium. They dropped the engines that made them the same as everyone else and began doing four strokes and adding high teck functions to move the division to a low volume, high profit model like Lamborghini, Ferrari, Bugatti, etc. You get my drift. Problem being, the People who could afford such snowmobiling extravagance at the time, were replacing their 2 srokes every season but keeping their yamahas longer and still buying 2 strokes every season. They underestimated the market and instead of ushering in a new luxury snowmobile division, they shot themselves in the face by pricing themselves out of the market for the people who where actually lining the pockets of polaris, Arctic Cat and BRP. The people that could buy a 340, 380, 440, 500LC, etc, couldn't buy a Yamaha priced 60-75% more. Dropping 2 strokes and going premium was the beginning of the end. The 2014 partnership with Arctic Cat was Yamaha divesting itself of snowmobile development. The writing was on the wall but we didn't see it. I knew this was happening 3 years ago and still didn't believe it. Look for Yamaha to heavily invest in the marine industry, its global.
This is the best explanation I have heard yet!
Makes a lot of sense!
Skidoo is the trend-setter. Others may occassionally come up with innovation, but BRP incorporates ideas into production.
Yeah kinda like the pro ride and axys...brp definitely came up with that
Yeah, Skidoo set the trend for crank bearing replacement at less than 2000 miles with their oil-less Isoflex crank bearings.
@TrakSpock1 agreed
@@TrakSpock1 100% !! nailed that lol
Ski doo is the Tonka toy of sleds.
Yamaha is not dead in me! Love my sx viper nothing beats reliability/fast sleds..
Vipers will always be cool
BRP has massive quality and reliability issues though. Couldn't pay me to take a BRP product. Any of them. They won't be dominating anything, especially marine. _ESPECIALLY_ motorcycles. Polaris and Cat tend to be the trend setters in the sled world, though. Most of the sleds I see on local trails and play areas are all Polaris for the most part. Tend to be a lot of older sleds because new ones are so grossly expensive. It doesn't matter all that much that BRP made 10B in revenue since the entire market size for snowmobiles (as of 23) is only valued at 1.2B. BRP makes planes and trains, a ton of their revenue comes from those things. Only a small smattering of that total comes from recreation products.
Brp makes zero trains or planes. BRP is entirely recreational products. Bombardier split from BRP years ago. The RP stands for Recreational Products.
Fast forward 11 months. You called it Cat is finished. It's now between skidoo and Polaris with their 20k sleds. I will.stick with my old schoolers
You’re going to like tomorrows video about Cat 😇
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Just purchased a 97 enticer 2 LT. Best running piece of equipment I’ve ever owned.
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@@ADDvanced replacement track and extensions delivery this week. If all goes well (usually never does) it’ll be seeing snow next week!
@@RHYNOMAN12 extensions? How long?
@@ADDvanced 121” to 144”. The factory track was 136” but I could not find one in stock anywhere with the 2.52. Ordered the 15x144x1.25 track and extensions that shud tip up the tail of track. I’ll see what’s in the box when I return home.
@@RHYNOMAN12 Awesome! I regret not going to 144 with my phazer.
say what u want brp still #1
Boo this man
boo you @@ADDvanced
Yamaha is ahead of the curve. This sport is to expensive. Then to top it off, places that used to get alot of snow, no longer get said snow. The trails where I live, have opened for less then a week, every year, for the last 10 years. We used to be able to ride from late November, til early March. Now were lucky if the trails open for a few days in the middle of January. So I can see why Yamaha decided to get out of the game. I don't blame them. I sold my sled and haven't looked back.
Well said. Too expensive. To many recalls. Less snow is threatening the sport. Who will depart next?
@@ianlemieux7208 Maybe artic cat would be my guess. Their stuff is garbage minus the Suzuki engines. Their atvs are junk. Never had one of their sleds. Skidoo and Polaris are dominating the snowmobile market, and have been for years.
@alotl1kevegas860 yes my first pick is arctic cat. They will need to sell a ton of new machines to pay off the new catalyst chasis and 858 motor. Arctic cat may have gotten into the game to late.
I was with you until the whole socialism
Conspiracy. Your true colours bled thru the video pretty quick. Government grants and partnerships to create new places for innovation to thrive isn’t a socialist ideology. It’s called investing in the future. Something most capitalists can’t agree on. Stop being short sighted and learn how to feed future generations with the wealth of today. It’s called sustainability. That’s why Yamaha and Cat, and the military propped up Polaris are losing traction.
And me being Canadian, won’t buy a BRP product because of how they treat their dealers(powersports employee for 20+ years) Come to find out Polaris is even worse. I thought BRP was all about quarterly profits until I took the reins of a Service dept of a Polaris shop. Anna talk disheartening.
The socialism was tongue in cheek because most snowmobilers are triggered by it. I wish we had universal healthcare and free education like countries w democratic socialism that benefits the working class.
@@ADDvanced I’ve been trying to get my tonsils out for 15 years but thanks to my “free” healthcare no specialist ever gave me the go ahead. Now I’m 40 with enlarged tonsils, have to deal with tonsillitis every few years and sleep apnea an a cpap because of it. I’m about to roll the dice I Mexico I think.
@@OGReeber Mexico is becoming the only affordable choice. I went to a walk in clinic for an inhaler once, waited 15 minutes, saw a doctor for 10 minutes. I was charged almost $4,000 USD. Insanity.
Ive had good luck with my 600 carb rev xp doos. But unfortunately they canceled them a few years ago.
Those are great sleds, my buddy has one. Kind of untouchable on twisty stuff, except for maybe a late 90s/early 00s cat?
As a Canadian I support this message
The Elias Snow Toboggan was around for many years to .. Made by a Hardware Store Owner in WI and later sold to the FWD Truck Compnay ..
Yup, but that was 20 years after the Log Hauler
@@ADDvanced I said a Recreational / Recreational Vehicle not a Log Hauler..
Can you check your trapping line with a Log Hauler or tow your Dark house out on the Lake .. The Steam engine Log Hauler would be too heavy to operate on the ice ..
Apples are not Oranges.
And if we don't start getting better winter's here in MI and IN then this season of 2024 their will be a huge drop on snowmobile sales across the board as many of the snowmobile company's are getting out of the snowmbile sport we just don't get the snow like we used too back in the day, end of february here and it's 65 degrees out unreal
I noticed a massive drop in prices already
Yamaha quit the market after the sanctions with Russia they sold a crazy amount of snowmobiles to Russia and when the war took place and they are no longer allowed to sell to them it doesn’t come out financially to continue the sled industry
Had no idea; you’d think Russians would want BRP so they aren’t using usa components
Canadian and Ski-Doo lover here. When you started talking politics, I kind of cringed. But you make pretty good points. I get that you want to see Polaris and Cat having a level playing field with BRP. But that is a conversation you need to have with your own government. About 70% of Canadians are A-OK with the socialized nature of things up here. (This is where the 30% get really loud. LOL) As for your take on income inequality, I tend to agree. I think we all feel it. As a Gen Xer, I definitely saw how we had it harder than the boomers when we started out. Now I see my Millenial and Gen Z daughters facing even harder times (I've got one in each age bracket). I've bought Ski-Doos in 2013, 2018, and now ordering a 2025. The price increase is stupid, and I can understand the resentment from those getting priced out. Thanks for putting your views out there to get the conversation going. I will definitely check out more of your videos!
Well most of my vids are fixing old broken things but I had some drinks to mourn Yamaha and felt like talking some sh*t. For more challenging ones I did do an “end of snowmobiling” video you might enjoy.
ruclips.net/video/gX3vtpUqwk8/видео.html
Will yamaha stop making replacement parts as well?
No, they have to do that for a while.
Frankly other than Yamaha specific parts like body and clutching you could dig into the parts manuals and see what matches between the Cat and Yamaha machines for the last decade and go that route. You’ll probably match a lot more parts than you think.
By law they must supply parts for 10 years
Back in the '70's, sleds could be bought by the common person. Nowadays they are easily 10 - 15K. Crazy. All 3 brands.
Boomers are the only ones with money these days...
All the way up until the mid-2000s, snowmobiles were affordable. Plenty of leftover models, sub $5000.00 prices, at that time.
Yes sleds are crazy expensive now and dude is right that BRP is heavily subsidized by the Canadian government. With both Yamaha and Arctic Cat leaving the market it’s just Polaris and BRP now and both have had major reliability issues…but where are you gonna go when they’ve got the market by the balls? The used sled market is the only option I would entertain now and let those who buy new sleds take the hit for thousands of dollars in depreciation.
@@RARufus I didn't know Arctic Cat was leaving the market. But the writing was on the wall for years now.
@@ClessieCummins254 Textron was trying to turn things around financially for Arctic Cat but Yamaha exiting the market was a big hit to AC. AC sold Yamaha all of their snowmobile chassis and many other body components. Unless things changed the writing was in the wall. BRP has an estimated 60% market share of sleds and Polaris estimated at 35% so that only left 5% for AC and Yamaha to split.
brp was going to dominate the regional jet market too, but that didn't work so well.
Yeah, I think they were reaching a bit too high, figuratively and literally lol
It is all about quality and customer service. BRP is not socialized or govt supported, their current product line just has greater uptime and consistent performance. Making quality products is not that hard over choosing cheap. Each brand has had a "lifetime" to perfect the products. I am honestly surprised they are not much better than they are. I do agree with your economic outlook and what is happening to wages and the abaility to spend on luxuries. What killed Cat is reporting to shareholders profit demands instead of consumers of their product imo. But what do I know right :-)
Multifactorial: Less snow at lower elevations equates to hauling the sleds to the mountains. Shorter snow seasons with climate change, again, hauling them to the mountains .In the 80's, almost every farm had sleds and the fields were fully loaded with sled tracks. Units sold world wide has been declining for years. Fast foreward to today, Lack of snow and we have not been able to ride except in the mountains. The decision to go to a fully 4 stroke line up, heavy sleds, not always the best in the mountains. Yamaha built the best sleds in the 70's, road that popularity into the 80's-90's, with the Phazer. Polaris and Ski-doo came on strong in the 2000's. Today, sledding is a expensive proposition, $15K + sleds, trailers or sled decks, Gore-Tex this and that, riders nowdays are dressed in $2000 set-ups while riding. The technology, always advancing has become price inhibiting, My 1st sled was a 1977 Yamaha Exciter. A relic compared to what's on the snow today, but during that era, we were king shit, able to ride long winters, and didn't have to haul them to another state to ride and didn't have to break the bank to own one, and had the times of our lives. Arctic Cat's days are numbered. and what was over 100 brands back in the hay days, will be down to 2 companies. At least, buy American.
Russia really liked buying Yamaha snowmobiles, guess who can’t buy Yamaha snowmobiles anymore, which company is not making snowmobiles anymore? Oh ya Yamaha
Man I wish Russia would chill; would love to visit but they're too busy swinging Ds. Bleh.
I get it man thanks for sharing
Since Yamaha is out the snowmobile game now there is now 3 snowmobile manufacturers now but really their is 4, the other Taiga, Since you mentioned BRP they followed Taiga, BRP will get the credit for being first, But Taigia was the first marketed electric snowmobile.
Tiaga is interesting but kind of doesn’t count since the use case is so limited and there are no charging stations for them.
Remember folks at one time there were over 40 Brands of Sleds. Snowmobiles rely on a 3 to 4 month season of Snow. It only takes 1 or 2 poor Snow seasons to shutdown a Company. Since 2000, Snowmobiles have been designed and built for 20 and 30 years olds. All the sleds look like Kawasaki Ninjas. With that you loose the Trail Riders that are not doing 90 mph with their Hair on fire.
Captain and coke has you fired up. Yamaha will be missed.
Haha 😂 yep wish I was with him we could both have a good rant on life..... We do need to all get along already... I mean divided we fall.....
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Nothing will run as long as a yamaha 4 stroke... and that's no lie does not even come close.... and they are fast just heavy compared to the 2 strokes in the mountains I understand trail riding nothing with run with the yamadog I'm very sad the run is done.... just got in from a 100 mile ride In michigan and every sled with the hood off was a ski doo. Or ski dont
Every manufacturer produces a four stroke now and they're all reliable..
The majority of small aircraft are Rotax powered..
What a bunch of B.S. lies dave, More people trust SKI-DOO than any other brand period! The only time a Yamaha sled was fast is if they take a motorcyle engine and put a turbo on it. SKI-DOO DOMINATES THE MARKET BECAUSE THEY MAKE THE BEST SNOWMOBILES ON THE PLANET PERIOD END OF STORY!
Ski don’ts aren’t that great 😂
@@captain2574 nope, It’s call Ski-Doo!!!
You just can’t stand the fact that Ski-Doo is the #1 snowmobile manufacture in the world! Ski-Doo is #1 in market share and every other manufacture sucks hind titty!
Ford was not the first automobile, thay were however the first assembly line.pople get that confused as well.
Textron actually owns both Polaris and Arctic Cat. So there's really going to be 2 major players in snowmobiles in 2024...I agree, competition is good for the industry, but one thing you didn't mention is here in the northeast US, the season for snowmobiling seems to be getting shorter and shorter every year. Regardless of the reason, the weather lately hasn't been conducive for riding. I am sure this hurts sales of new sleds in my part of the US.
Polaris got bought back from Textron in 1981 if I recall correctly.
That's what my next video is about. Climate change.
My goodness Polaris bought themselves out from Textron about1981 or 82.
Yes, Textron dam near sunk Polari! But they were bought back from Textron in the early eighties. Polaris is now like 10+ times bigger than Arctic. BRP yeah, is huge! But the industry is and probably will forever be cyclic, when the economy sucks and snow conditions are bad to nil it's really tough on the snowmobile industry. I've lived it!
No Mike , only Arctic.
BRP is funded by the Canadian Government?? I think you are confusing BRP with Bombardier.
Bombardier Recreational Products is just one division of Bombardier I would guess, as Bombardier also makes planes.
@@davesiringo7147 Nope, they are totally separate entities. BRP was spun off from Bombardier in 2003.
Not confused, look up BRP Loans and start reading. They get massive amounts of cash infused into them. NOT BOMBARDIER!
Not sure how anyone can ignore that lack of snow has effected sales too, it's killing dealerships here in Michigan.
Watch this video if you haven't:
ruclips.net/video/gX3vtpUqwk8/видео.html
I am so frustrated with 'snowmobilers' largely ignoring reality, and repeating BS they heard on TV/the radio instead of using their brains.
Cat's out by the looks of it now, just Polaris and Skipoo left I guess. Bang on when it comes to income equality, it's a big problem coming down the road for all of us reg folk.
Yamaha better come back into the game. So sad. 😢
They're done.
They just announced they're getting out in 2025 why would they turn now. The market is so small
And even worse, Yamaha sleds have been built on Arctic Cat chassis' for the last ten years. This will put a real dent in Cat production and I'm sure will take away some jobs.
Yup. Hopefully the catalyst will help, but I sort of doubt it.
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Yamaha has not been same for a long time or any brand. Mid 80's to the 90's was Yamaha's best snowmobiles, If I had a money for a new sled I would rather spend it on a 90's vmax or Exciter SX. I am sure people felt the same way when John Deere got out of the game.
Love my phazers :D
@@ADDvanced Yeah the Phazers are my favorite snowmobile.
You hit the nail right on !
The sleds you are seeing on the trail have more to do with dealer networks in your area than anything else. Have a great dealer that treats their customers right, sales increase and so does word of mouth.
honestly if cat and polaris made way better entry level machines i think they could get a leg up. low displacement ie 340-600cc. no frills machines.dirt bikes, go karts, outboards, etc with a pricetag under 7k for whatever. when a new sled costs more then a car there is a big issue at hand in getting riders in the market.
Cat makes that smaller sled, the blast! I want to try one pretty bad but haven’t seen many around
sadly its stil an msrp 10k sled before dealership markup. but it hits closer to the target i guess
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Used good vintage Cats like Jag leafers and Puma IFS and Jag IFS and fan Z IFS machines are holding resale value because of this market gap you described. Lots were bought for ice fishing or grandpa sleds new. So mint used after Gramps passes is bringing 2 or three grand for a perfect 570Z where I’m at. Even with the poor winters. Parts are still plentiful with some web digging.
@@glenmallory9982 Yeah... the problem is poor winters = poor trails, and those vintage sleds are amazing on smooth trails, but pretty brutal on poor trails. Still fun tho!
U dont have to go buy the biggest and baddest snowmobile out there. Plenty of new sleds selling from $12,000-$15000. Specifically if u shop around ur gonna find a great sled for $12,000.
Dirt biked cost that much now lol!!
Not funded by Canadian government, that is Bombardier Aircraft, and that has been stopped, this guy is wrong on the invention part, they talk about the recreational market, not some random commercial product, plus that product he referred to was dead before it got going. Funny how the yanks think they invented everything, Aircraft was flown in Nova Scotia Canada by Alexandre Graham Bell 10 years before the Wright brothers, the telephone was also invented in Canada by Bell, plus the radio transmission was perfected in Montreal by Marconi before anyone else ,first Signal was sent to Europe from St. Johns NFLD, sorry forgot the date.
Incorrect, google "BRP 496 Million Loan" and you'll see they still get massive amounts of help from the government. No, I'm not wrong. Lombard log hauler is a snowmobile. The first one ever, in human history. Hence why a mountain was named after it, because it was notable as the first vehicle designed to travel across snow, with two skis in front, and an endless track in back. Figure it out!
Key word is loan, not a gift, all governments do that type of thing for their home grown and foreign companies @@ADDvanced
I 💯 agree with you about the cost of everything going up and our last couple of winters in southern ontario have been crap with little to no snow . Who wants to spend 1000s on a new sled with no snow
Boomers. Boomers have all the money.
I would've loved to get another cat after 25 years of not buying a sled or riding. I looked around and first thought Yamaha, then hear about them discontinuing them and moved on to Artic Cat. So looked at the prices of the AC's and was shell shocked! Left to go look at Polaris and Ski doo, and immediately seen you can get a 850 ski doo for equal or less price than a Cat 600! Talked to the dealer about the ski doo's and asked if I should also look at his Polaris line and he laughed and said if you don't mind your sled being in the shop for warranty work it recalls half the season it's a great sled. He admitted he rode the Polaris himself but he also said he didn't have to buy it or be without one of it's in the shop, and he would own a ski doo if it was his money. So Ski Doo makes it an easy choice at the end of the day, but dam I sure do love the look of a green Arctic Cat!
You probably should have watched this video first:
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U can find a catalyst 600 for little over $12,000. Idk where ur getting ur prices from but a 600 cat isn’t more than a 850 doo. Cat is around $200 more model to model comparison idk why. Think its kinda stupid when cat doesn’t have control of the market share but whatever. $200 maybe little more but isnt going to discourage me from buying the sled i really want. All a lot of money now but if u search model to model with equal shock packages and accessories all comparable. Was just pricing a 858 catalyst other day ATAC shock package $18778 out the door tax included. Ur not gonna find much better deal on a 850 with premium shock package than that.
@@joshgessinger4509 well duh everything snow related just dropped several grand the past couple weeks due to no snow. The AC is still more than the others after the price drops due to rebates and dealer incentives.
@@troyt5309 dont duh me i know more about sleds and the market than most anyone out there obviously more the u lol!!. 858 has no rebates idiot cant get one till next season duh.
Been in this sport since i could walk owned more sleds than most dream.
Have more wins and championships racing sleds than most could ever imagine. If ur looking at a 600 thats more than a 850 doo its either a real bad deal or a way better shock package and optioned sled. O ya looking at Yamahas u know a Yamaha today is just another arctic cat right lol!! Cats r not that much more money just a little more money but if u shop around ur going to pay around the same for any of them. Ur just some part time snowflake that hasn’t even rode in 25 years ur not a snowmobiler so stop pretending hahaha
@@joshgessinger4509 funny you pretend to know me and the prices I was shown so your assumptions make you foolish. I don't care how many snowmobile you owned or think you know the facts are the facts at my local dealers. Suppose you want to Argue Yamaha is the top selling band now as well? Btw everyone knows Artic cat and Yamaha are two of the same that just dumb to even say it out loud anymore like you think you know something the rest of the world does lmao.
My thoughts on re-vitalizing the snowmobile industry. Build some early 70's sleds and make them affordable. Like a 340 enticer, an old school tundra, a 399 Panther, and an early 400 indy. That would introduce more people to snow travel.
If they are light enough, you don't need reverse :)
If you did a little research Arctic Cats owned by Black Rock Raytheon and Vanguard
Black Rock Investment purchased about 8% of the shares of Textron, they don't own them. Same with Raytheon, they have about 7% of the shares.
I think you are mistaken about BRP getting government funds, BRP was bought back by the Bombardier family, and is not part of the company that builds planes and such. The industrial company known as Bombardier keeps getting government bail outs, but as I understand, BRP is not part of that.
I’m aware. Google “BRP” and loans. Tons of articles about how much money they are getting, probably more than cat is worth
Worst thing about Telescopic Front Suspension , blow a shock , ride home on the Lean
Ski Doo is now owned by a branch of Bombardier Inc.( Bombardier Aviation ). Bombardier the maker of the Rotax engine is 100% BRP, and just as they cornered the market in Aviation, they are trying to do the same with snowmobiles and jet skis. It was good to see Arctic Cat come out with the Catalyst 858 and give Ski Doo a run for their money! However, I like the vintage aged sleds like the Phazer and Phazer 2. What I also find interesting is that most of the older sleds, especially the triple triples out run the news sleds easily! Cheers !
Don't matter no snow anymore, 0.0 miles on sled this year sleds worth noting anymore 😢
Watch this one ☹️
WORST SEASON EVER: The Future of Snowmobiling & Climate Change
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I’ve never found Yamaha sleds to be the fastest, but they sure are damn reliable. I’ve owned several Yamahas, Polaris, Arctic cat and skidoo. I found skidoo to be unreliable, and just a nightmare, Polaris was better, never had much trouble with them, I loved my cats and Yamahas though. It’s surprising to me that Arctic cat built such awful atv’s but did really good on sleds. Yamaha seems to strike gold on everything they build. I’m still running a 23 year old Yamaha big bear 400, I told myself I’ll buy a kodiak when this one dies, it’s still going very strong with only minor maintenance. I may never get another new quad at this rate.
I'm running a 2004 Arctic Cat ATV and it's been fine for me. I use it to plow the driveway and do forest trail maintenance.
Im getting a 2025 sidewinder and keeping it for life. Also competing in Cains Quest 2026. woot woot. Yamaha for life!
It's because they didn't have any on the show room floors to look at and you had to order them same with Arctic Cat's I'm surprise they aren't going to close the doors too.. If you can't look at the sled or try them before buying them why buy one..?
Plus they are pretty expensive..😞
Arctic cat just announced they are done...
I looked at the 2025 models in their website.... Doesn't look like they're "out"!
I’m not sure that the government money thing is correct. Bombardier is totally separate from BRP. BRP can more than hold their own. Bombardier was a bit of a basket case like GM was in the 00s. Too big to fail. BRP very different.
Google BRP loans
@ looks pretty normal to me - lots of companies use loans as part of their operating. They didn’t get a GM style bailout.
Nice rant, bro. Even nicer that what you say is factual.
Facts over feelings is what I usually say to the guys who claim they hate feelings over facts. Funny that 🤔
The Volume of snowmobiles sold every year is very small. Yamaha sells many $30,000.00 4 wheelers..
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Yamaha has been planning their escape from the market for a decade. They hung on by sharing manufacturing costs with Arctic. I think they were looking for a market turnaround that never really came. Arctic came scarily close to closing about 2017. Bad management. Just like the previous Cat scares of 1974 and 1981. Overproduction and market errors. Textron gave them a cash Infusion that kept them going. I’ve ridden both brands and liked both. Cat can turn things around and probably make it as a high end specialty maker of expensive low volume machines. But the days of selling 50,000 Panthers a year have been gone for decades. Yamaha was not prepared for the die hard two stroke market. The number of folks who collect the SRX 2 stroke twins and triples seems to be growing.
Bad management is everywhere these days
50000 panthers a year? LOL ok😂
Maybe all the dude’s who bought nytros apex’s and phazers in 2010ish just switched brands because they got eaten in the trails by guys on 600 carbs.
That is entirely possible, 600s on twisty trails will outrun damn near anything
Yamaha has left the market and now Textron is shutting down Arctic Cat production and looking for a buyer. Hopefully we won’t be down to just two sled manufacturers for long.
It’s a shame what Textron did to Arctic Cat. AC was in a bad financial position when they bought them but Textron had deep pockets and could have really turned the brand around. Seems like put everything into the Wildcat XX which didn’t sell well and had issues. Their sleds were still competitive but expensive. Seems like they could have done better, but I know it’s been a tough market this past year or so.
It sounds like you're going to want to see my newest video on Arctic Cat. Just dropped a few min ago. Let me know what you think about it. Cheers!
@@ADDvanced I will check it out!! I'm an IT guy who has been sledding since the early 80s here in MN. I started on a 74 Yamaha GP246. Have had a number of Arctic Cats, Yamahas. I hate to see both Arctic Cat and Yamaha leave the market...especially Arctic Cat since they're a MN company with a long history here; plus this seems to impact all of Arctic Cat and not just their sleds. AC has made some very nice ATVs too.
Why should merc be worried. Pm if you want. I would love to carry on this conversation
I'll do a video on it this summer, but every 'car guy' I know who likes speed and looks into getting a boat buys the same thing: You can pick up a 300hp seadoo for $16k, with affordable monthly financing. Mercury/Brunswick Boat Group does not even try to offer anything exciting; their entire model lineup is pretty boring and not performance oriented at all. Sea Ray flirted with the idea when they had the Pachanga line, but that came and went because it was so overpriced. If they don't start going after EXCITING, ATTAINABLE products, they will find themselves in a Harley Davidson position where everything they sell is only desired by old people, and they stop attracting younger customers. BRP is already showing how innovative they are with the Switch pontoon, far more designed, fresh, and innovative than any type of boat Brunswick has put out in the past few decades... so when that guy with the 300hp jetski gets a family, what is he going to spend money on? A boring 45k bayliner that can't even do 50mph, or a $20k modular pontoon from the same company he's used to, that can use the same accessories, dealer, app, etc?
Fact is BRP is thriving after going after younger customers. Brunswick/Merc does not seem to care, and is instead printing money by selling gigantic boats with 8 outboards on the back of the hull to rich old people.
I had a 2005 Yamaha Attack.. I loved that thing... It really was bullet proof.. I had a yamaha jet ski and that thing was bullet proof.. If I ever got a motorcycle it would be Yamaha.. I would love a Yamaha outboard.. Yamaha keyboards and acoustic guitars ROCK.. I am getting into Ebikes and I really like Yamaha mid-drives..
I ride an old 96 Skidoo mxz, I hate socialism but I love my skidoo.
Was thinking about switching to yamaha, sad to hear they stopped making sleds.
I don't either. I just know a lot of snowmobilers are 'those guys' that just parrot talking points from the news, so I figured I'd troll them.
Don't scapegoat irrelevant terms like socialism for your own inability to accept the fact that superior
technical innovation has been BRP's best motivation to success..
We need to look no further than the rider forward "Rev" platform, for instance which took the entire industry by storm.....
This has nothing to do with socialism but everything to do with hard work and commitment to dream beyond the accepted conventions accepted by the rest of the industry over the past fifty years.
“Rev” is for Revolutionary.
It’s not a lie.
You are correct, the rev chassis was revolutionary in terms of rider position, no doubt. But when one almost nationalized company can get 496 million dollar loans, how do you expect smaller privatized companies to compete with that? Love a lot of BRPs products, their designers have been KILLING it lately, but I don't want Cat and Polaris to quit making sleds, which might happen if we continue on the current path.
@@ADDvanced BRP represents a multi-billion conglomerate that more than likely lends money to banks....
Snowmobile and ATVS are just a small fraction of the company, which produces everything from airlines, executive jets, tramways and even train lines..
I don't quite understand what their success and technological advances and innovation have with the smaller companies. There's plenty of room for the all the manufacturers but to throw around terms like "socialism "is unhelpful for anyone and completely unnecessary.
There are no guarantees the other manufacturers will ever complete fully with such a large conglomerate however, why would you blame them for working so hard to become such a success ?
Both companies exist in the free enterprise system which rewards the highest innovation and hard work..
Competition makes me stimulus for better products and the consumer makes me final decision..
@@jeffreyhagelin3672 BRP is a separate entity from Bombardier aerospace. It was part of a restructuring by Bombardier, whose aerospace and transportation businesses were struggling. BRP has absolutely nothing to do with Bombardier aircraft anymore.
You are wrong Yamaha still makes and sells snomobiles in Japan and Europe.
Dude, the Corporate profits were all dependent on raising prices of sleds while easy low interest financing was available. That easy financing is gone and the corps will need to time to recognize and adjust, when 100 sleds get sold next year. When price increases the quantity drops. Tune in again in 5 years, see where we are. In the meantime there are plenty of lighter used sleds around to use, due to the warming trends and people leaving the sport. I took all my machines out of Buffalo, and transported them down to SC, will pull the engines and sell on Ebay. Im done, last couple times I considered going the snow melted in old Forge NY a few days before i was set to go. Can see the trail cams up there.
The wealth distribution problem could be fixed by simply treating all income the same...no special rate for capital gains (notice the correlation on your chart with the beginning of capital gains being taxed less than the maximum income rate) ...but the big money in the US owns both political parties and as such things will continue to get worse. It is sad that Yamaha is getting out of the snow machine business though..they made some great sleds.
They want to distract us over stuff that doesn't matter so we don't talk/notice such things
You should have mentioned that the democratic party is taking snow out of the climate
🤣 Hillary is sneaking out to the glaciers at night w hair dryers, they don’t want you to know!!!
BRP- Bearings, Rings and Pistons!! Matter of fact i think its good , keeps shops busy lol
lol haven't heard that one yet lololol
it's cool that you think for yourself
Thanks, I think it's worth it :P
Skidoos are so far ahead, make a great product-game over. Used to be a Polaris guy and a cat guy- Yamaha never brought it.
Easy to be that far ahead when you get 500 million dollar loans.... :\
It just shows you nothing last forever, I am sad that Yamaha is done in sleds,Yamaha has moved the bar up so many times in there snowmobiling history and could build awesome machines when they set there mind to it. But the way I see it people are brand loyal and when they switch to another brand, that will influence other thing the might normally buy. So i hope Yamaha understands that as well. You would have had to be living in a cave not to see the writing on the wall for them. I have been snowmobiling since 1973.
Yeah, it still sucks though. The marine industry is even worse, only one company is making performance motors now, and nobody can even afford them. All the 'fast stuff' for the working class is just gone.
Warmer winters are killing snowmobiling.
So are snowmobiles who deny reality. They only care about feelings, not facts.
The upper income elites can make money on foreign workers, but middle class USA labor workers cannot. The middle class gets poorer all the time. It is because of the trade deficit. Middle class wealth is now alive and well in foreign countries. I have several BRP machines and they are outstanding. Value added tax is also a factor. It is an export subsidy and kills American manufacturing. Canada has iT, MEXICO HAS IT, CHINA, JAPAN, GERMANY all have it. Not a level playing field.
Is yamaha still going to provide engines to arctic cat?
I don't think they've done that for a long time, Cat is trying to vertically integrate and get the engine production in house so they don't have to buy them from suppliers (good idea!)
Yes they still supply all the four stroke engines for the sleds past two seasons at least. Dang ..
Personally for me to invest 10-14k in a sled I might be able to use a month out of the year and have to travel to do it. So for the average northern United States working stiff, no way.
I have not had much luck with BRP I went back to a Yamaha ATTAK. Now that Yamaha is getting out of the game I am debating on going to Cat or Polarise. We shall see. I like the reliability of the 4strokes. Just wish they were a little lighter. R.I.P. Yamaha Snowmobiles!
I'm pretty content with my 2015 Cat with the Suzuki 800. In one of my other videos, I just picked up another sled with a Zuke 800 and it has almost 11k miles. 2 Strokes can be very reliable, but most new engines are trying to run cleaner for emissions, and are pushing it with lubrication so they just don't seem to hold together as well. There are some Suzuki 800s with over 20k on them, and they're used in helicopters these days.
How did you ever get a toque without corners fit on your square head maybe get your facts right before you open your yap
You are incorrect about BRP taking government subsidies. The company was split many years ago and the family kept control of the recreational equipment and became BRP, and Bombardier was made its own separate company to build the Challenger jets and trains. It’s Bombardier that is sinking and taking the government bailout money. No money in private jets and trains. Just greedy shareholders.
The recreational industry is doing just fine. But I ride a Polaris myself up here. Just like the look of them more. 🇨🇦
I’m not talking about bombardier. Google BRP and Loans and get back to me. They are being funded very heavily.
profits are really good when you dont have to pay for anything
Too Bad Skidoo did not keep building their Can Am Motorcycles .. Socialism in Canada is interesting as they are not using Americans money to build better sleds.
CZ Motorcycles were the best Motocross bikes in the World at one time. Suzuki had to copy them directly .
Hey a CZ fan! I have a Tatran 125, which I think is more of a Jawa?
@@ADDvanced I am not sure if JAWA and CZ are the same or not .. A guy I went to School with had a JAWA 250 dirt bike .. a Local Outboard and boat dealer sold them 2 miles from where I live ..
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Nonsense! CZ were garbage compared to the Japanese bikes. Can am weren’t great either.
@@bobbarker4255 You did not read my comment. CZ Two Stroked Dethroned the British 4 strokes .. Suzuki took a CZ back to Japana and Copied it. CZ's were around before any Japanese Company built a Scrambler. Scrambles later became Motocross.
Ya it's very sad... I won't drive Skidoo.... I find i always root for the underdogs so i got 2 Polaris and 2 Cats to be safem.. it's sad to see Yamaha go they always made great sleds. As we all know more competition is better for the industry.....
Same. Plus I loved how Cat just seemed to want to make it go as fast as possible, everything else doesn't matter. The El Tigre, the Wildcat, the Thundercats, just ridiculous snowmobiles :D
@@ADDvanced yep Cat with a Suzuki motor got me hooked back when I got my first muscle sled 1996 ZRT 600 what a screamer!!!
@@KcYukon greasy triples sound awesome. I still love old indys for that reason alone lol
@@ADDvanced man wish we had a time machine life seemed so simple back then... Now all I do is worry if my kids are gonna make it ......
@@KcYukon Looking at price trends of housing, healthcare, and education.... yikes. Good luck to future generations. They seem screwed.
Can’t wait to see the comments from BRP dudes😂😂😂
High levels of copium :D
What exactly are you expecting the brp faithful to say? I think most of us are shocked that yamaha is no longer in the game. I'm not happy about it, and I'm a BRP guy. Competition is good for all markets.
I think yamaha messed up thinking 4 stroke were the future. Yes they are fast and powerful, but they aren't light and nimble like the 2 strokes.
Yamaha should've had a few 2 stroke offerings that were competitive with the others. That would kept them in the game with younger riders
High end sleds and SXS's will be a dime a dozen after these industries collapse. Artic Cat is toast also now here soon. Americans didn't learn anything from the last recession. This next one will be bigger than 2008!
Oh Americans learned plenty! The problem is CORPORATE AMERICA does not give a fuck. They want ever increasing profits, every single quarter, and the only thing they give a shit about is next quarter. They don't care about a year from now, or 5 years from now, just gotta keep chasing boomers with money and producing products the working class can't afford.
Still riding a 78 John Deere Cyclone. Nearly 50 years. That’s how Americans do it.
ow my back lol, fun when it's flat tho!
Im gona go out on a limb and say zero percent chance that the canadian gov is subsidising brp for snowmobiles. I could see the aerospace division needing help because well this super great american company lobbied as hard as they could so that brps new jet would never be the threat it should have been to the competition. That company is beoing. The snowmobile division makes money like you pointed out in this video. Your colours are showing
Look it up man, they get MASSSSSSSSIIVVEEEEEEE loans from the government and good rates. The loan amounts are obscene compared to the annual revenue of Cat, Polaris, etc.
Link that took 3 seconds to find: www.newswire.ca/news-releases/brp-announces-the-repricing-of-its-term-loan-b-2-842315789.html
Also I don't have colors or political affliations, I just like making fun of snowmobilers who hate socialism by calling them socialists :)
Yamaha is far too expensive. I priced a 2025 last edition sidewinder today, $35k canadian before taxes. Who can afford that? How many Can they be selling? Of course, they are done. A similar choice at Polaris or BRP would be like $25k. I want a Yamaha bit that's ridiculous. My local dealer can't sell his last 2023 model.
They're too big, too fast, and too expensive. Yamaha had it right when they made the Phazer... fast enough, light enough, small enough, cheap enough.
@@ADDvanced agreed
Truth of truth is Yamaha is bowing to WEF and their agendas, leisure motor sports for the masses not welcome…
Even their motorcycle division beginning to be paired down to lower cc offerings, Vmax dead, R1 dead…
This trend will continue until it’s either all 125cc utilitarian motorcycles or electric offerings.
You said it in your rant… middle class consumerism quickly on the way out, other manufacturers will follow.
They could build stuff for us if they wanted to, but the short term quarterly profit dicks in charge steer the ship, and they'd rather fleece rich boomers than build anything for the working class except economy stuff. Super annoying.
Sxs are number one reason than cost of living.
Brp is a head because they charge over $100 or more just for a small parts or whatever it is stupid expensive just for a replacement part or an accessories
Thanks, I'll look into that!
So WRONG POLARIS RULES. NO Ski JUNK for me . LOYAL POLARIS pilot since 1966
Yamaha quit making 2 cycles 20 years ago, at that point they were done. It is amazing that they held on this long, probably mostly from their reputation for reliability.
Yeah, that japanese reliability reputation is definitely a factor
@@ADDvanced yeah it is, I still love my mcx 270 turbo nytro mtx. It has so many mods lol and weighs lighter than a ski doo 154 turbo. The power these yamaha motors piss out on turbos is insane.
They quit because they couldn't compete, don't fool yourself. They never could make a great sled. By!
Bombardier isn’t known for inventing the skidoo, it’s known for inventing the rubber covered sprocket. Why do you think there logo is a sprocket. Yes possibly the government is funding BRP, it doesn’t stop the other companies from coming up with new ways to shape the industry. But the way governments are shaping society these days, things are changing, not only in our sport, but in general. Hopefully life takes a different approach and it gets more affordable so that we can enjoy our toys and hopefully Yamaha comes back. Fingers crossed 🤞🤞🤞🤞
It’s just hard when one company has way deeper pockets than everyone else.
They are putting that Yamaha Apex motor in bush planes now!
Zuke 800 was in helicopters :)
My chances of encountering a transgender in the bathroom are pretty low, but my wife’s and daughter’s chances are much higher because all transgenders use the female bathroom. If you want really low odds, before Rowe was overturned, about 600,000 people out of 370,000,000 got an abortion in any given year. That’s .0016 percent, much lower than encountering a trans in the John, yet it’s also a top issue for people. 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah, kind of my point. All these 'non issues' that get people all fired up and passionate, meanwhile the rich is just gutting the middle class as corporations buy more and more housing for investment purposes.... but crickets, cuz bathrooms and abortions have people distracted.
lol bullshit BRP gets government money. well they do but that is for their aircraft, the sleds are on their own. Bottom line is BRP has market share because their product is head and shoulders above cat and pooh. Tell cat charging 13k for a 400cc sled is ridiculous and that is why they suck
They have a 496 MILLION dollar loan right now, in addition to countless others. Look into it, super chief.
BRP will NEVER dominate the motorcycle industry. That’s a great talking point, but won’t ever happen. The big 4 Japanese companies are just that. The big 4. Can’t speak to snowmobiles, but I don’t see that many people changing over to BRP unless the bikes are free. And motorcycling as a hobby, like a lot of things right now is dieing. Young people don’t even like driving let alone going our riding a motorcycle. So it would require current riders to change brands. Not gonna happen.
I wouldn't bet on that, their new Origin and Pulse look extremely well designed, and they're going to undercut Harley's livewire by a massive amount, if we can look at history. Get out of here with that young people comment; THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO. Most young people are busy giving all their money to insane rents and student loans. And before you go off on that, sorry, in order for America to be #1, we need an educated population. Our economy and military strength is not based on blue collar work, it's based on technology. I don't think a HVAC guys are going to help us beat China in outerspace. No offence so HVAC guys. Love you all! :P
BRP Should never get another Canadian TAX DOLLAR!! Ever. Bring tax's down in Canada.
They have always been behind the curve. Even when they made 2 strokes they were ill handling
Canada invented the snowmobile….BRP and Skidoo are the best….screw all the rest….LOL