The Éirinn Curtain: A History Of The British Border In Ireland
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- Опубликовано: 20 сен 2019
- Today you can cross from Ireland, an independent country, into Northern Ireland, a part of the UK, without even noticing it. Just going from Clones, Ireland to Cloverhill, Ireland will bring you across an international border 4 times!
Today the border between the UK and Ireland is invisible. In the past, not so much! There used to be barbed wire, soldiers, and checkpoints along this 500km border. Bombs, bodies, and balaclavas were common sights and this squiggly line of the map caused 30 years of sectarian violence. But why is there an Irish border? Why is Ireland divided? And will Brexit affect the Irish border? In this video, we'll find out
The Northern Irish Peace Process ended the Troubles. Paramilitary organisations surrendered their weapons. Communities began to come together, old hatreds start to fade away. Now 30,000 people cross the invisible border every day.
Then Brexit happened.
We’ll have to see how Brexit turns out and what effects it will have on the border.
But looking at the past we can see that the effects of a border, especially one as messy as this one, can have unintended consequences.
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On a lighter note than borders and sectarianism, what should I eat for dinner? Looking for some interesting recipes :)
You mean 1998 ?
@@saotome6502 I do. Just missed the typo. Oops 😳
@@CogitoEdu Well it's cleared, then.
Well done.
- Cogito - Eat some potatoes and ham. That’ll put you in an Irish spirit.
Like I thought, subscribing to your channel was a good idea. 18 min gone in seconds. Please keep up the hard work 😊😊😊😊
This is insanely well edited man
Thanks a lot! :)
My two favorite Irish people
Ngl when I first saw this channel I thought it was run by the same guy from real engineering. I couldn’t tell between different Irish voices lol
This is insanely well edited, man.* Don't judge me. I am a perfectionist.
It's sad that at the end, Irish independence came a bit too late for the Irish language.
I legit didn't even know Irish was a language until I heard strange (in a good way), unfamiliar sounds coming from Moira in Overwatch.
@@cometmoon4485 game ?
Shivansh NA yeah it is a game
Irish language has been neglected by Irish people. Only some of us speak it and the rest either want to but are too lazy to learn it or else they dislike the language so much and accuse the Irish speakers of being elitist, snobs, etc...
In Ireland so many people have the mentality that "the government" should do this or that... when in reality it's not the governments job to teach us our own language. If people really want to learn it then they would.
@ Ach tá sé an teanga go háillin.
The Éireann Curtain.
Congratulations, Cogito. You've won the internet.
Duh! It took me a while.
Honestly, I've peaked. It's all downhill from here. :D
Idk about that. This is your first video ive seen, good luck!
It's weird, the Irish famine is something I learned from such a young age that it never really made an impact on me, it was just a thing that happened. And then after learning about something like Mao's famine or the Holodomor and coming back to the Irish famine to see a quote blaming "the selfish, perverse and turbulent character of the Irish people".... yikes, Britain. Big yikes.
yeah suddenly our own Bengal Famine of the 40s doesn't seem such a big thing now
you are right about how britain colonialists LIED FOR THEIR EMPIRE AGENDAS... in china/east asia and russia/eurasia... they know the mongolian cousins who always attacked for food and necessities... is MAINLY because of DROUGHTS/FAMINE... the mongolian cousins, mao, stalin... people understand... the MAIN ROOT CAUSE IS HUNGER PLAGUE BY GLOBAL DROUGHT/FAMINE...
The old chestnut "the British elite land owning class exported the food while they let the Irish starve to death". A more balanced explanation would note: The British big farms owning class ran their crop growing operations on borrowed capital secured by their properties, which was a not uncommon practice by farmers then or now. "The grocery stores kept demanding money for the borrowed inventory they had on hand, even from the starving" would be a similar nostrum.
Farmers sold their harvested crops every year and repaid their loans and started getting ready to do it all over again.
It was a different, nasty, dog eat dog world back then, especially for all the unlucky and the unfortunates.
The potato famine was an unprecedented huge disaster and the overall response from social institutions of every kind was found wanting.
Wait till you hear about the great Bengal and Madras famine inflicted upon by the British Raj on India during World War. Still Churchill is considered a war hero while he is a indirect mass murder of millions of Indians who fought for the British in trenches of France during World wars.
If you converted the church would feed you, if no conversion, oops, oh well you starved. Somehow I don't see this as one of the pillars of love that Jesus taught.
You might want to correct at 16:25 that the good Friday Agreement was signed in 1998, not in 1988. Otherwise a very informative and concise Video! Keep it up :)
Listen very closely he said 1998 with a accent
@@acebalistic1358 he said 98 but the text on screen says 88.
Yes, the text on screen says 1988.
@@rogerwilco2 Yeah I missed the typo. It should say 1998 and by five years previously I was referring to 1993.
There was far more than a million Dead it was more like 4 million Dead!
Ya but did they ever find the butter?
No but that's how gee/ghee was invented. True story
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Would you dare find out...
Q) Why is Ireland divided?
A) because of Britain
But that’s like saying Korea is divided because of the Cold War
because half want to be British and half dont
Non-Agglutinative Krenak Not really.
hoggath hogg Half who want to be British can go live in Britain if they hate Ireland and Irish culture that goes for both Catholics and Protestants
@@hogg8888 Half of ireland, thats wrong, The majority of the 32 counties want to become whole, but its only a slight majority in NI
As a proud Irish man from Derry, I can only assure you there will be nothing but more violence if the UK try and put their hard border back in Ireland.
I mean dont exactly think many of the people in NI want it Irish or British
Yes🇮🇪🇪🇺
Conor Findlay Northern Ireland in an ideal world should unite with the rest of Ireland.
@@RobertK1993 I mean economically I'd still rather be part of the uk but I understand why lots of people want the unification of Ireland but really I dont see the point
Conor Findlay It’s all about money it’s what made Irish Republicanism be associated with Catholics and no longer Protestants in the 19th century it tore United Irishmen apart money informants sectarianism.
As a non-Irish, wow. That was / is really effed up !
It gets worse than that. It was really really dark stuff. The British government was involved in assasinations, shoot to kill policy etc.
Yes 800 years of this treatment only ended not to long ago at all
@@Bm23CC I’m not saying it was right, because it’s not, it was appalling acts from both sides, but the IRA also did that. I know the British Government were really bad in this situation, but people always act like the IRA were saviours or something, when they’re far from it.
@@drawde_064 The IRA were reacting to British "appalling acts".
@@minimumwage2millionaire and the British were reacting to theirs. Both were at fault.
I don't know how I missed this video. Wow, great job!
Just as I was itching for more Cogito content, you upload! Thank you.
Great video.
And I am sure there wont be any problems in the comment section, only civil discussion :D
this was really well done. i got a deeper grasp on some things i already knew, and learned some new things.
this is the internet we need.
"Yeah... I guarantee this situation isn't gonna cause any troubles" I see what you did there.
I have watched a few of your videos and love them immensely. Therefore, I have subscribed and become a patreon supporter as well. You are only the 2nd RUclipsr I support in this way. Keep up the great work. Education is vitally important. Well done from an Indigenous and part Irish Australian fan.
Wow, thank you! Really happy to hear this. Thank you so much for your kind comment and support :D
Thanks for such a simple and succinct explanation. Of course we lived through it but nice to see such a wise overview. Thank you
Wow! My favorite kind of history! I never understood the "Irish problem" until now! What a story! What a lesson for all of us! Now on to Brexit...
Gosh, I love you so much! I know you wont see this. But. First, I love your accent. Second, it is so clear that you and your team spends a lot of time creating each of these videos. You always make sure to take the side of the "weak" guy as well, showing the story from all viewpoints. I love you so much for creating a channel that we can watch knowing that you have tried to avoid biases to the maximum. Generally, history is written by the victors and it makes a lot of media difficult to digest as they continue to apologize for colonialism. Thanks so much.
Thank you. That means a lot and we will continue to make videos like this :D
I've been using RUclips since inception but never felt the need to stay subscribed. I really appreciate the content and keep up the good work.
Awesome video dude! Learned a lot.. Certainly have some topics to discuss with my Irish buds here. It is such a good combination of the correct video-duration/trivia/main topic. Keep up this quality! - your Kurdish brother.
i love this, as an irish historian this is greatto see, info was on point! Maybe skipped a few parts but some of the skips were needed for the entertainment side, Gratz tho!
Great video, I am Irish and I still learned a lot of information from this video.
Awesome video! i first saw your video on Hatshepsut when i watched the bronze age series, and whenever i'd see a video on ancient egypt i'd think back to it, but then never came further as i'd forgotten where i saw it. Great channel, charming and lively drawings, great delivery, and interesting topics.
Also, i'm european, scandinavian, and i'd never thought brexit would pose such problems for Ireland.
Great description of the strange experiences of life along the border 👍🏻
Am I the only one to never notice your Irish accent till this video?
Like suddenly I heard it and thought “was he always Irish? Why am I only now noticing this?”
I snuck up on you there :D
@@CogitoEdu where ye from in Ireland?
@@fgconnolly4170 Them's fightin' words!
Sounds like a Dublin accent.
Ive always had an idea of why the island of Ireland was divided but I wasn't well versed on the timeline and locations of events. This video certainly helped 👏 thank you. I'm not European but all nations history interests me.
Thanks for making this video! Really good overview of our history
Best short history of Ireland I have seen anywhere. Bravo!! 😙😇
64 in favour, 67 against.
“Barely passed”.
It was supposed to be 57 against
My great grandmother & her 3 brothers came from Irland & settled in the Transvaal Republic during the South African gold rush of 1886, they worked the mines & she tended there home. When the Anglo Boer war started in 1899, her brothers stood with Boers against the British & she worked as a nurse. Regardless of the continent, there has never been any love lost between the Irish & British.
'the irony is so thick you could choke on it'
Loved your part as the smuggled cow! An Oscar-winning performance!
My family are from both sides, we all want to stay in the UK,! ♥️🇬🇧
Same, my family is mainly Catholic but most of us want to stay in the U.K. too! 🇬🇧
@@jamesthejoker7415 God Bless from northern Ireland UK, 🤝
Cuckold mentality
Of course i will leave a comment man I am African but I live in the UK and I love all your funny well edited videos , you earned yourself a subscriber
I must say that this title is amazing
This was something else that I even wrote a paper on in HS but never really understood the full dynamics behind it all. Thanks for this.
Hellzyea my dude. Ur videos r awesome and love the little ghost nuance u use. S'awesome. (I call it ghost nuance because as soon as u go to inspect, it just kinda disapears) and ur voice is just adorbs.
Thank you for expounding on an over looked but important part of history so well.
I'm from saudi arabia and I'm obsessed with the irelandish nation 🇮🇪❤️❤️
About the irish nation
Dipt ꍟꌩ thank you 🙏🏼
Binged on your videos. Thank you so much for making them.
Excellent and fascinating presentation. Thank you!
I guess they must have missed that whole "love thy neighbor" thing in church.
Also "thou shall not covet thy neighbor's house".
Nothing divides humans the way religion does.
Not if your neighbour is a heretic /pagan. Then you burn em at the stake i guess.
No no - they just cherry pick what they like. As they always do. Like someone who get's a tattoo against gays citing Leviticus... the irony is beyond the since they don't care for the rest like wearing mixed fabric, tattoos or cutting and dying hair. Or the fact that Leviticus wasn't directed at the general population.
Oliver Kurzweg cutting hair wasn’t a sin just a vow you could take
The Good Friday Agreement was actually signed in 1998 not 1988...
P.S. This is probably a typo so I'm not all that bugged by it
Listen very closely he said 1998 with a accent
@@acebalistic1358 yeah but it shows the number 1988 when he's saying it
@@HisAssholiness Yeah I missed the typo. It should say 1998 and by five years previously I was referring to 1993.
@@CogitoEdu John Major's contribution is oft overlooked. But twas not well time for them to pull the finger out!
this just helped me soooooo much with my geography a-level! thank youuuuuu
Not even watched the video yet, but that is an amazing title.
Well thank you :D
I believe I have a vested interest in that title! 😎🇨🇮
My family was some of those who emigrated. I found out I could've had dual citizenship if my parents had applied for it. I would've come back to the mother country 4 years ago.
I hope the border issues get resolved (thanks Brexit...).
Love your videos! 💚😎🌎🖖
I'd hardly label Eamon De Valera as a ride, Cogito... ^^; He was no Michael "the Big fella" Collins in all fairness.....
Well the two can hardly be compared in that regard. Michael is way ahead, I had to throw Eamon a bone though :D
I see Michael as a huge Irish hero and perhaps Ireland's greatest son but the deal he sign with Britain was a awful mistake. And don't be so hard on Devalera, he was hugely patriotic and did his best for Ireland post a bad deal signed by Michael.
@@The01t My thing with Dev is that that he kept Ireland back by giving the Catholic Church too much power. I mean, I don't need to go on. Anyway, Michael couldn't have gotten a better deal, he was stuck in a bad situation. Had he declined the anglo irish treaty because of partition, the whole war would have started back again and Britain would have most likely been the victor. The Irish side was running out of resources by the time of the truce. Sure look, no use arguing about what already happened.
@@A23ness A big part of Irish culture and what defined us in alot of ways was the Catholic religion we followed, don't get me wrong I have loads of criticisms about the Catholic church and Vatican. But I'd rather Catholic Ireland than what this Indian leader in Ireland is pushing like promoting other religions, promoting immigration, shoving LGBT down our throats and just vastly changing Ireland. I think Leo Varadkar is polo opposite to Michael Collins.
I'd rather you dont call me cousin massive 😂😂
Very good and quick history of the troubles. My family left Co. Antrim in the 1890s. My grandfather was 1st generation American. He told us some pretty gruesome stories about the old days.
Im a big fan.. all the way frm Oklahoma. Super educational. I always learn alot from your channel.
Thnx
It's good to see you getting sponsored bcz now day's YT monetisation is mess.
Thanks for the support. I worry these things will annoy my subscribers :D
@@CogitoEdu We can always skip it
Holy shit this is high quality ! And 18min! awesome!
PS: Love the "Endscreen"
Really well done video, love the credits
Really fantastic and informative, thank you!
Short answer: colonization.
Long answer: coooolooooniiiiiizaaaatioooon
Another answer: Pope grants English king lordship of Ireland :)
More like invasion
@@ToastieBRRRN yea and its now a dead title
it never granted the english kings any right to the irish nation either
@@ToastieBRRRN Adrian IV, the first and _only_ English Pope. That in itself says a lot. And that Papal Bull/order has since been proven to be a forgery. _"Sorry, England, but you're in Ireland illegally."_
@@stephenwright8824 It hasn't been proven to be a forgery because the Laudabiliter document no longer exists. Of course there can be speculation on whether it has existed or not due to the credibility of people citing it closely to the time. By no means the Pope was on favourable terms with King Henry since he killed Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury. But I think it was a good excuse to legitimatise the Cambro-Normans with Diarmaid mac Murchadha as their puppet King to invade.
Wow! I had no idea this conflict was going on so far into the 1900s! Why did I never learn about this in school? It makes me sad...all the war. I hope the future will be peaceful and prosperous for this beautiful country.
Awesome video! Loved it
My ancestors thank you for expressing the lessons of their struggle so fluently. The Irish people have a lot of fire in their hearts. They don't mix well with the cold-blooded machinery of an empire. I think it is ironic how the British were able to conquer abroad with such impunity for so long, but their neighbors on the next island simply wouldn't have it. If that doesn't illicit some self-awareness of the problem with imperial thinking, I don't really know what would.
Ireland was like a lab where the English/Normans, then the British, tried everything they could to subjugate the natives. If you look at the rest of British imperial history you'll notice that, except for Indian partition, Amritsar and the Bengal Famine, they almost never made the mistakes they made in Ireland.
I have to say that i was of course aware of the tensions and violence between the irish and english. But what i hadn't realised was just how badly the irish were treated. The movie 'The Nightingale' hit me really hard. The way the english treated the native peoples but the irish too. Just disgraceful.
"And then Brexit happened"
Is like
"An then Fire Nation Strike"
This is the best video of yours I've seen so far
Let me just say that you were brilliant as Smuggled Cow #3. An Oscar worthy performance, truly.
After this video I realy realy admire the Irish. Best wishes from Bosnia.
Why is everything on fire?
Cogito as Smuggled Cow #3 deserves a supporting actor nomination, if not an outright win.
Fantastic video I have to say mate! If only I had this during my history leaving cert XD
Great vid. I saw one typo: You mentioned the Good Friday Agreement as having been signed in 1998, which is correct. However, on the screen you "1988" appears when you say the year.
Let's go forward together. It's well seen that the politicians is the one benefiting from this shite. We're all flesh and blood
I like learning about Irish history from an Irishman.
THank you so much for such a good video and explanation.
Cogito the transition to the sponsor was so smooth that I didn't even notice it till the sponsor mention finished.
As an Indian I sympathize with Irish very much
I agree. It is fair, ethical and pragmatic to grant most of the power and control of a region to the majority people who live there. Derry was majority Catholic, so Derry should have been mostly governed by Catholics. Kashmir is majority Muslim, so Kashmir should be mostly governed by Muslims. Tibet is majority Buddhist, so Tibet should be mostly governed by Buddhists. West Papua should be mostly governed by people of Papua ethnicity, not people of Indonesian ethnicity.
@@cometmoon4485 Well, that's certainly a good idea when there is history being it, but ideally a nation can overcome such ethnic and religious divides.
As half Irish I sympathize with you. And as half British I secretly want to rule over you.
And the palestinians as well
Then you should treat Kashmir people better not lock them up!
I only just started watching this video, and I noticed that the picture at 0:17 has those soldiers wearing Dutch woodland camouflage.
I recognize that pattern because my own father was in service years ago, and I got his old cargo pants.
Edit: Just found out that Dutch DPM camo and British DPM camo are very similar, the only difference being that the Dutch DPM is less intense in color.
Love the video content and more so the animation 😆👌🏼
But Backblaze... no thanks; I feel unsafe enough with my data on my own hdd no need to uoad it to somewhere else, I'm quite happy with physical backups on my spare hdds🤣🤣
Typo on the Good Friday Agreement. You said 1998 but the text shows 1988. You were right on audio, wrong on the video.
Great work by the way!
I am from Northern Ireland and I hate this split on this island
I do find it funny though. Irish nationalists - "one island should be one country". Scottish nationalists "one island should obviously be two countries" twisted logic.
the animation is neat. i love the stylish facial hair.
Thanks :D
I knew I should have invested in a caravan shop!
Being born and raised in a border regions between EU and Franco, Euskadi, France and Spain I can tell you tensions, bomb attacks, arms dealing etc used to be a thing, far less here than on the Spanish side, but man what a bloody headache in your case!
Though some traffics at the borders used to be quite funny, nothing compares to the butter ones! :D
Well put
Hey I’ve done that road from Clones to Cloverhill before
Godspeed, Ireland. You didn't ask for this Brexit mess.
Edited to add: great video, didn't know the extent of gerrymandering in NI. Not surprised, but something that isn't always front and center. Great # examples of the disenfranchisement & great vid, thanks!
Jennifer Schlicht umm many people in Northern Ireland actually supported brexit.
normal guy Northern Ireland voted against it
Kris Faulkner yes Northern Ireland was against it on a whole but it was still a high majority that voted for it.
normal guy same for whole britain - there’s huge majority who don’t want brexit.
Limita yes but the huge majority do so what’s ur point?
More than I ever learnt in school. Thank you
Well done thank you
No matter your political affiliation, you have to admit the fact a border exists on this small island is totally inconvenient. Unionists who voted for Brexit must be kicking themselves as a border poll seems inevitable.
When I heard about the disturbance of mass on Sunday I ran to grab my gun before realising I don’t own one
Thank you for this video.
Thanks, very informative.
I love how it's always cloudy and wet. Typical Irish weather
A war killing 3500
“The troubles” is underselling it a little bit...
Stewart Hamilton we call ww2 the emergency
@@maskellmaolseachlainn6347 You do know the Irish raided Britain as soon as the Romans left, right?
@@maskellmaolseachlainn6347 - You sound like Reg from The Life of Brian: 'What have the Romans ever given us'. Go back to your mud hut.
My humble request to all Irish people to preserve their wonderful language, arts and music. They are treasures of the world
Great video, thanks!
8:00: It wasn't pointless at all. It was an attempt to offer "compromise," in the form of a plausible result as close to what they wanted as possible. That's quite a common tactic when the people with power see the powerless (or at least less powerful) start to level the playing field.
Why this video reminds me so much of India-Pakistan border dispute/history.
Britain causing religious problems that don't need to exist/weren't a problem until they made it a problem. It is the same with Israel-Palestine.
Thank you for making such a great video! My heckles rose when I saw it but as soon as I heard your Irish accent I was relieved. It’s always best that Irish people take the position of explaining their own history. Fair play!
Awesome video! (:
Please make "The future of the Irish border".
Lee Sailer how can anyone make that video at this time?
Indeed Patrick at the minute it's fecked and anyone's guess
Has anyone noticed that Everywhere the English ruled, they left behind messy borders and Civil Wars!!!
Michael O'Donnell It’s a trade mark.
Great video, nice concise run through, really useful to help explain what's going on to outside interests (or people who didn't study their history).
Love the end credits..haha!
Somewhere along the way, I'll have to visit Ireland.
visit up north too ballycastle is great!
@@prixssclover6702 Hopefully, after the pandemic ends, I'll have an opportunity to do so.
Your quality has gone up so much. You sound like a different person from your first videos
Yeah the guy in the first few videos sucks :D
Really informative
Have you considered doing a video on the Basque conflict? It would be interesting to have your perspective on it.