@MachielSchrijver A tv production quality yt page about all kinds of conspiracies. Page is called The Why Files. I cannot recommend it enough. It's so well researched and is literally one of the best pages on RUclips. Check it out if your into that kind of stuff. It's up to 4 mil subs so they're doing something right!
@@MachielSchrijver It's one of the greatest show on all of RUclips. It's truly one of a kind with how top notch the quality and presentation is. Show goes into everything from mk ultra to ufos to ancient mythologies and goes into some of the more goofy and fun conspiracies as well as real ones. I cannot understate how good it is. If you enjoy the stories that Dan weaves together you will love this channel! Give "The Why Files" a chance you won't be disappointed!
A youtuber who talks about conspiracies, aliens, hollow earth, etc. He'll present the story as it's usually told and then debunk what he can from it while giving food for thought. Seems like a cool guy
Oh man, I wasn't expecting this one. Thank you so much Dan, your podcasts are amazing for during chores and trying to fall asleep. Absolutely awesome, keep up the excellent work❤
This author's own words undermine her credibility. One minute she is talking about SSBNs then 5 minutes later she has forgotten them completely and claims the US doesn't have ICBMs that could hit NK without them overflying Russia. The land based stuff is irrelevant. The USN could park a SSBN 50 miles from Pyongyang and the Dear Leader would never know. Later she doubled down, stating that this was a "huge hole in our national security". My Spidey Sense says someone pushing for longer range land based missiles that nobody needs spun her this silly scenario that anyone with access to a map could see through by observing the proximity of NK to both the Sea of Japan and the Yellow Sea.
An additional problem with her logic is her statement that an ssbn is undetectable until it “returns to port.” We have known for at least 30 years that a sub-launched missle immediately gives away the submarine’s position and since they can only fire one at a time a sub can only get of maybe as many as a half dozen before an incoming nuc takes out the sub. (It can’t move fast enough to get away) Why have a boat with 90 ssbnms ?
Your most important subject Dan. Thank you. Clockwork Orange force this message into the ears and eyes of all the people foaming at the mouth for a war they can't even imagine.
The authro's supposition that an American counter attack on North Korean would require an ICBM and not simply a sub based launch from the pacific so as to antagonize Russia seems like a end of the spectrum poor choice for the US president who by the author's own admission has a menu of retaliator options available to him. While it may make for a impactful story telling mechanism how many sub-optimal choices does the author really need to string together in order to make the book work, as if real nuclear launches aren't bad enough.
Indeed. She had so many issues I started making a post to list them but had to give up half way through the video so I didn't end up writing a book of my own.
@DanCarlin Comment and question: First - fantastic as usual! I love your interviews and perspectives, especially on nuclear weapons/war. You’ll always be the GOAT. Second - have you ever considered doing videos? I’d love to actually see these sit downs or video calls! I think it’d be fantastic. Keep up the great work! As a student of history and contemporary military, I’ve learned so much from you. Blueprint of Armageddon is still my favorite podcast series hands down!
"In a real scenario, that acting president isn't going to be a 92-year-old man." I don't know if this quote is gonna hold up, the way things are going.
they'll hypothesise endlessly about a NK situation but will never ask if a subverted democracy that has installed nominal leadership serving interests besides those of the voters might pursue an escalatory war path on an unrelated note, the USA is currently occupying a third of Syria, selling arms to saudi, and the list goes on for quite a while.
@discordantduck1808 Syria is a failed state so who cares? At the end of the day there is no such thing as escalation unless it is a direct conflict with a parity power. Name a single desert nation with parity to the US? Maybe Iran? There is no nuclear war possible unless america is struck first. Given there is no power that could hope to win in a first strike, there is nothing to worry about. Let me reiterate: unless you are speaking of scifi story level of nonsense like an american president launching a first strike for no reason, there is no enemy to america that can facilitate MAD. Without that, no nuclear war.
Look at the colossal threat quietly standing just off stage and effectively looming over us. Now. Look at the individuals who can influence or control the unleashing of these horrors: ....ButcherBiden ....Antony Blinken ....the orange ape ....Lloyd Austin .....Tillerson .....Pompeo ....Bibi Netanyahu ....Kim Jung IL ....the amorphous, faceless, little known leadership at NATO Anyone have any confidence in our longevity ?
As the child of parents who went through the Cuban missile crisis- this was the most horrifying thing I've ever heard. It's never been more real the gun that has been pointed at all of our heads our whole lives than now! Many thanks to the author here for spoiling her book, I think it had the intended effect.
Annie Jacobsen's book is really well done. I am just about finishing it on audible, and will be buying a physical copy for my library. Can't recommend it enough!
@@danieltouring Short answer: How little many of us understand about these weapons and the consequences of using them. Also, how little time leaders have to respond in the event of a surprise attack. Long ranting answer: It made me think about a lot of things. I've been interested in military history for years, but I see war as the ultimate horror, and it terrifies me. War steam rolls over combatant and non-combatant alike. Nothing exemplifies this more than nuclear weapons, which cannot help but to kill countless civilians. I always cringe when I hear people spout out that we should just turn such-and-such country into a parking lot or field of glass with our "nukes". I have to imagine everyone has heard someone say such a thing, or maybe have said it themselves... And I know many people might not mean it, but do any of them ever think about the implications? Do they think about a fireball that is well over 100 million degrees F? Do they understand what radiation does to men, women, and children alike? This book went to great lengths to illustrate the indiscriminate horror of nuclear war. It is irreversible, lightning fast and endlessly tragic. Can we defend ourselves against such an attack? Not very likely, especially if the attack is carried out by a nuclear submarine, quite possibly the most devious weapons-system ever created... All we can do is retaliate in kind. Will FEMA save us after an attack? They can't... The "leaders" of our world will have minutes to make decisions. These hasty decisions, made in adrenaline fueled moments of apocalyptic anxiety, will determine everything and nothing all at the same time. 8 billion human beings are being held hostage by a handful of individuals who believe the survival and continuation of their government is the first and foremost priority. "The living will envy the dead..." Nikita Khrushchev
The most eye-opening thing for me is apparently the average American doesn't know it could all end, horribly, in a matter of minutes. That sure explains why we live the way we do
Hey dan i have listened to you for years and was wondering, is there a way to get some of your old shows . Like wrath of the khans or blueprints for Armageddon, or even prophets of doom . Cause its enjoyable to go back a relisten to them .
I read Nuclear War: A Scenario in one sitting after listening to this. Incredible and terrifying book. There's a couple 'just-so' moments that ensure that the situation continuously worsens that do not feel entirely plausible, but the idea that the fate of the entire world can rest on, say, whether or not the President of the United States can get in contact with the President of Russia in the next ten minutes, is utterly terrifying.
Mr. Carlin ,irrespective of the topic and whether a deep dive or addendum you could provide 75 hours of content because it's absolutely wonderful . Thanks ever much
Recently I watched a lecture series on Prime about pre-Inca cultures in the Andes. It described an ancient urban culture that lasted a couple thousand years. The amazing thing was that there were no defensive walls around the cities, and no evidence of warfare. It was the most hopeful thing I have ever heard
Should it be? Given that those people were wiped out by the ruthless, inhumane actions of our current over-seers perhaps you should rethink what about it is so inspiring to you
Personally I think it would take more than just an absence of evidence of warfare to support the notion of an entire civilization was completely without it. It's a bit like telling me there's no evidence that they spoke, I think it's still a much safer bet that they did. We are almost certainly the least violent, most politically unified human beings in the history of the world, unless the Atlantians show up. If there are conditions in which human beings can live peaceably we are much closer to those conditions than ever we have been. I think we easily beat any of our ancestors in regards to any metrics that I would imagine make peace easier, extreme material abundance, highly unified and stable political units on a scale our ancestors couldn't imagine, relatively clear lines of authority, unprecedented cultural exchange, mutual respect and knowledge, technologies of communication that allow people across the planet to communicate. Yet we still have wars, so I'd say a bunch of dudes who can't just call the police when someone is bothering them probably fought quite a bit more.
Yes, it does take more than an absence of evidence to determine whether this culture had no warfare. I would recommend the lecture series because it was very convincing. I'm 62, and believed that war is the human condition. That is why I was so impressed
Convetsely.......... Look at the colossal threat quietly standing just off stage and effectively looming over us. Now. Look at the individuals who can influence or control the unleashing of these horrors: ....ButcherBiden ....Antony Blinken ....the orange ape ....Lloyd Austin .....Tillerson .....Pompeo ....Bibi Netanyahu ....Kim Jung IL ....the amorphous, faceless, little known leadership at NATO Anyone have any confidence in our longevity ? Given your point, I think we have de-evolved.
There are some criticisms you could lay on the author about technical aspects of her scenario, plenty of people have mentioned it in the comments so I'm not going to reiterate, I would caution them to remember though that the igniter of this whole scenario, The Bolt out of the Blue attack is not in debate, that is a scenario that can happen, I would also remind the critics that the ICBM response might be technically a suboptimal response but with a decision window under 10 minutes, it's not a hard stretch to imagine a sub optimal response being ordered. Change the scenario around as much as you want the primary statement the scenario is trying to make stands, We still exist in an Era of extreme risk from nuclear weapons. I think the wierd hostility against somone for being a journalist as if somehow being that profession justifies dismissing legitimate concerns is the actions of very immature minds.
As a wise man once answered an alomst tone-deaf question on facebook (ikr): What would you do if Putin would decide to nuclear attack your country? "I'd try to be as close as possible to the bomb blast." PS: truly horrific scenarios - good job. Cheers!
I love Dan's stuff. Supernova in the far east was spectacular. But on this topic I have to say I have significant issues. The authors opening sentence gave me concern, and then throughout her discussion it was only confirmed. In her opening I had hoped that her reference to saber rattling was the lead in to what deterrence is and how nuclear weapons play into that. But no. While she touched the topic tangentially there really was no solid addressing of the topic. This really became evident when talking about the number of bombs created. Anyone who is truly briefed on the topic, as she claims to have be, would fully understand the numbers aspect. The short summary of this is: A nuclear war, whether life ending or not, is still a war. Therefore the US and Soviet union both created enough bombs to destroy the targets they deemed necessary to win the war. She speaks with a lot of dramatic language but lacks a lot of the knowledge one would expect for someone who has thoroughly researched the topic. Case in point. She is in awe about the bomb design where a fission bomb is used to initiate the hydrogen bomb and that this is somehow significant. The kilo/mega ton numbers do all of that without the dramatics around design. The reality is the fission bomb is the spark plug and is unrelated, more or less, to the magnitude of the hydrogen bomb. She was right about man and machines failing. That is the key and scariest part of the nuclear situation. Sadly, she fails to mention that we used to think nuclear wars could be won, but does not mention the absolutely crucial details that Russia STILL DOES. They have extensive bunkers and a plan to do a first strike which has become more enticing to them since they have the hypersonic missiles. They only need a reason. This is why the approach the US and Nato have taken with Ukraine is utter insanity. We keep poking the bear in the eye, at some point they are going to take a swipe in return. Overall she seems to have talked to so many experts but missed so many critical details. Dan asked some really good questions but honestly I'm not impressed with her answers. Granted I'm a little more up to speed than most on these issues but still she missed major points that many people understand. For instance, the 6 minute window to issue the launch order. That is incorrect. That time is not about deciding whether you are willing to launch. That decision is made when you become president and are briefed on the nuclear procedures. Those 6 minutes are about determining if the situation is real etc. Next she talks about launching missiles over Russia to deal with North Korea. This was incredulous giving she had just talked about submarines. We have boomers positioned near North Korea since Eastern Russia is a target and we would not risk starting a war with Russia by shooting over them when we have a sub sitting within a few hundred miles that could do the job without risking a confrontation with Russia or China. Over and over and over she misses the mark. The horrors or nuclear war are real, the threat of war is real, all of that is true, but this authors interpretation is significantly off base in so many key ways. I'm half way through the video and have to quit or this summary will become a book. Overall, I'm not seeing value in this book if it has the same inaccuracies as her interview.
This woman is a charlatan on the topic. She hammers home already known and understood fears like they are revelatory new information for society to digest. Realistically, it's to sell some books.
@nickfrom1228 “the approach the us and nato have taken with Ukraine is utter insanity.” This is a remarkable level of cowardice. Let me ask you, why was Ukraine a red line but Finland was not? Your yellow belly is showing
Gwynne Dyer, Dan Carlin, and now welcome Annie Jacobsen (I recently only discovered her on Lex Fridman’s podcast) to my short list of favorite voices on human conflict history and journalism. I tore through her new book in a day…frustrating and depressing but damn is it a brilliant page turner.
I've worked with nuclear weapons for most of my life, from my time in the air force through my time at Sandia. And the EMP part of the horror show is in fact the first act. When the soviet union went belly up their nuclear doctrine was leaked and their strategy was broken into 4 parts. Part 1 was to detonate several medium yield weapons at about the altitude of the ISS over the continental US, which would devastate everything from the grid to communications, followed by all the strategic targets, command and control, and the population centers
Great show! Never gonna have a light hearted episode are we? Ah that’s what’s the Germany WW1 VS Germany WW2 vid. Be safe y’all can’t wait for the next show!
Look at the colossal threat quietly standing just off stage and effectively looming over us. Now. Look at the individuals who can influence or control the unleashing of these horrors: ....ButcherBiden ....Antony Blinken ....the orange ape ....Lloyd Austin .....Tillerson .....Pompeo ....Bibi Netanyahu ....Kim Jung IL ....the amorphous, faceless, little known leadership at NATO Anyone have any confidence in our longevity ?
Got this audio book. It's pure insanity that we all live under this sword of damocles and we all just go to school and take the kids to soccer like 3/4ths of the human population couldn't just disappear. Nuclear powers should be giving each other a wide berth, but instead we are fighting a proxy war in Ukraine. Anyway the book is honestly wild and fantastic. Cannot recommend it enough.
@@SnakeBitesApe Huxley, Orwell, Vonnegut, Hesse, Joyce, Hemingway, Dostoyevsky, Steinbeck, Kerouac, Lovecraft, Kafka, Asimov, Bradbury, Tolkien, George R. Stewart, Neal Stephenson, Anthony Burgess, Dan Simmons, Colin Wilson, Michael Talbot, Herbert, Heinlein, Philip K. Dick (and a ton of other vintage sci fi).
@@SnakeBitesApe Many fictional stories take place in our world, so there are often facts and real world accounts that are mentioned in most of those stories, and some are often littered with info and history that authors share with their readers, along with realities and circumstances of the times that younger readers can learn about and/or imagine more clearly despite their ignorance of such things by not having been a part of that era.
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My dopamine levels shoot through the roof whenever I see Danny boy share a new episode. I appreciate all the work you do, Dan!
Lol “Danny boy”
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My dopamine is shot from carnal pleasures
Dan’s stuff is always the best! Thank you sir!
Ms. Jacobsen is a top author on the US intelligence community.
My heart absolutely does a cartwheel whenever I see a new Dan Carlin joint has been released. I don't know a better way to say it
It's always a good day with a new Dan drop!
Thank you Dan, your work has educated me across millennia of history and a decade of my life. You have my sincere gratitude 🙏🏽
Annie Jacobsen is amazing, her work has revealed a lot of wtf dark and mysterious information.
Really cool to hear Dan chat her up!
I found her audiobook Phenomenon on RUclips... I can't find it anywhere now...she knows EXACTLY HOW INSANE this is..how it all works
@@RebelVsRebelit’s all on audible, Amazon prime subscribers get a free book per month I’m pretty sure. Used several of my credits on her stuff
Such an appropriate time to discuss these things. We need some level heads getting this back into the minds of Americans. Thanks Dan!
Thankfully the adults are back in charge. Could you imagine 45 handling the current situation?
sigh, ya spoke too soon I'm afraid
Just finished the book on Audible and here's my favourite Podcaster/interviewer with more. Nice
I did as well, absolutely fantastic and relentless in driving home just how bad it's going to go the day someone presses the button
Did she do the narration for the audio book? She does have a lovely voice.
@@markb8468 Yeah she did, i like her voice also.
Literally watched Lex and Anne’s interview today and now this amazingness
Lex is a mossad construct
I love Annie Jacobsen ! Especially the fact that she reads her own books with that soothing and soft voice.
I could binge watch Dan Carlin and The Why Files all damn day. Just wanted to share that is all thank you.
Why Files, hell yeah.
What's why files?
@MachielSchrijver A tv production quality yt page about all kinds of conspiracies. Page is called The Why Files. I cannot recommend it enough. It's so well researched and is literally one of the best pages on RUclips. Check it out if your into that kind of stuff. It's up to 4 mil subs so they're doing something right!
@@MachielSchrijver It's one of the greatest show on all of RUclips. It's truly one of a kind with how top notch the quality and presentation is. Show goes into everything from mk ultra to ufos to ancient mythologies and goes into some of the more goofy and fun conspiracies as well as real ones. I cannot understate how good it is. If you enjoy the stories that Dan weaves together you will love this channel! Give "The Why Files" a chance you won't be disappointed!
A youtuber who talks about conspiracies, aliens, hollow earth, etc. He'll present the story as it's usually told and then debunk what he can from it while giving food for thought. Seems like a cool guy
The GOAT is back!
You're the best Dan please don't ever stop what you do! Massive fan from Canada.
Love to see you are back. Total respect for your work.
Oh man, I wasn't expecting this one. Thank you so much Dan, your podcasts are amazing for during chores and trying to fall asleep. Absolutely awesome, keep up the excellent work❤
And here i was thinking we wouldnt hear from you in months. What a treat
Heck ya. Everyone buy some merch so Dan can keep this up forever!!!!
It's 2 am here in Mexico. Its time...time for the hard-core history!!!
This author's own words undermine her credibility. One minute she is talking about SSBNs then 5 minutes later she has forgotten them completely and claims the US doesn't have ICBMs that could hit NK without them overflying Russia. The land based stuff is irrelevant. The USN could park a SSBN 50 miles from Pyongyang and the Dear Leader would never know. Later she doubled down, stating that this was a "huge hole in our national security". My Spidey Sense says someone pushing for longer range land based missiles that nobody needs spun her this silly scenario that anyone with access to a map could see through by observing the proximity of NK to both the Sea of Japan and the Yellow Sea.
Fucking exactly, the sheer stupidity of that leap in logic in successive order was hilarious.
Nailed it.
What did you expect she is a journalist after all
Journalist doing what a journalist does.
An additional problem with her logic is her statement that an ssbn is undetectable until it “returns to port.” We have known for at least 30 years that a sub-launched missle immediately gives away the submarine’s position and since they can only fire one at a time a sub can only get of maybe as many as a half dozen before an incoming nuc takes out the sub. (It can’t move fast enough to get away) Why have a boat with 90 ssbnms ?
Your most important subject Dan. Thank you.
Clockwork Orange force this message into the ears and eyes of all the people foaming at the mouth for a war they can't even imagine.
Made my day. Thanks Dan
The authro's supposition that an American counter attack on North Korean would require an ICBM and not simply a sub based launch from the pacific so as to antagonize Russia seems like a end of the spectrum poor choice for the US president who by the author's own admission has a menu of retaliator options available to him. While it may make for a impactful story telling mechanism how many sub-optimal choices does the author really need to string together in order to make the book work, as if real nuclear launches aren't bad enough.
I noted that too, given she not long prior to this mentioned how much shorter the window of action would be from a submarine based attack.
Indeed. She had so many issues I started making a post to list them but had to give up half way through the video so I didn't end up writing a book of my own.
Longest sentence ever
While I’m guessing that would be the utilized option I doubt anyone would admit that concretely to a journalist. So it ‘could happen’.
Moreover, I'm GenX, so I've already deakt with dying any millisecond due to nuclear war for decades on end. It's really not book worthy at this point.
@DanCarlin
Comment and question:
First - fantastic as usual! I love your interviews and perspectives, especially on nuclear weapons/war. You’ll always be the GOAT.
Second - have you ever considered doing videos? I’d love to actually see these sit downs or video calls! I think it’d be fantastic.
Keep up the great work! As a student of history and contemporary military, I’ve learned so much from you. Blueprint of Armageddon is still my favorite podcast series hands down!
As always, Thank you Dan!
Great video!!! For my taste she was your most interesting guest so far.
Really loved this. Such a smooth, informative conversation with depth to it. Thank you both.
Holy shit 2 new episodes now? What a good way to start my day. Thank you Dan!
Thanks for everything you do, Dan. Your thought provoking content is just what I need when winding down for the night.
Nice bedtime listen. I just hope it takes me out instantly. I have no desire to live as a hunter gatherer. Sweet dreams and hopefully peace.
"In a real scenario, that acting president isn't going to be a 92-year-old man." I don't know if this quote is gonna hold up, the way things are going.
they'll hypothesise endlessly about a NK situation but will never ask if a subverted democracy that has installed nominal leadership serving interests besides those of the voters might pursue an escalatory war path
on an unrelated note, the USA is currently occupying a third of Syria, selling arms to saudi, and the list goes on for quite a while.
@discordantduck1808
Syria is a failed state so who cares?
At the end of the day there is no such thing as escalation unless it is a direct conflict with a parity power.
Name a single desert nation with parity to the US?
Maybe Iran? There is no nuclear war possible unless america is struck first. Given there is no power that could hope to win in a first strike, there is nothing to worry about.
Let me reiterate: unless you are speaking of scifi story level of nonsense like an american president launching a first strike for no reason, there is no enemy to america that can facilitate MAD. Without that, no nuclear war.
Look at the colossal threat quietly standing just off stage and effectively looming over us.
Now. Look at the individuals who can influence or control the unleashing of these horrors:
....ButcherBiden
....Antony Blinken
....the orange ape
....Lloyd Austin
.....Tillerson
.....Pompeo
....Bibi Netanyahu
....Kim Jung IL
....the amorphous, faceless, little known leadership at NATO
Anyone have any confidence in our longevity ?
Came here from Rogan mentioning you on his interview with Sebastian Junger.
That was a great conversation. Thanks as always
Another fascinating episode but I just wished they touched on Israel’s arsenal and the likelihood of them using it
Everyone should read all of her books. Shes a fantastic author.
This was haunting. Well done.
Loved the episode! Great stuff as allways, Dan.
Bout to hit 500k subscribers...well deserved
Thank you, Dan
Bless you Dan and team 🎉🎉🎉
Hell yeah! Glad to see this
Thank you Dan. Anytime you speak its a pleasure.
As the child of parents who went through the Cuban missile crisis- this was the most horrifying thing I've ever heard. It's never been more real the gun that has been pointed at all of our heads our whole lives than now! Many thanks to the author here for spoiling her book, I think it had the intended effect.
Annie Jacobsen's book is really well done. I am just about finishing it on audible, and will be buying a physical copy for my library. Can't recommend it enough!
What are some insights you got?
@@danieltouring Short answer: How little many of us understand about these weapons and the consequences of using them. Also, how little time leaders have to respond in the event of a surprise attack.
Long ranting answer: It made me think about a lot of things. I've been interested in military history for years, but I see war as the ultimate horror, and it terrifies me. War steam rolls over combatant and non-combatant alike. Nothing exemplifies this more than nuclear weapons, which cannot help but to kill countless civilians.
I always cringe when I hear people spout out that we should just turn such-and-such country into a parking lot or field of glass with our "nukes". I have to imagine everyone has heard someone say such a thing, or maybe have said it themselves... And I know many people might not mean it, but do any of them ever think about the implications? Do they think about a fireball that is well over 100 million degrees F? Do they understand what radiation does to men, women, and children alike?
This book went to great lengths to illustrate the indiscriminate horror of nuclear war. It is irreversible, lightning fast and endlessly tragic. Can we defend ourselves against such an attack? Not very likely, especially if the attack is carried out by a nuclear submarine, quite possibly the most devious weapons-system ever created... All we can do is retaliate in kind. Will FEMA save us after an attack? They can't... The "leaders" of our world will have minutes to make decisions. These hasty decisions, made in adrenaline fueled moments of apocalyptic anxiety, will determine everything and nothing all at the same time. 8 billion human beings are being held hostage by a handful of individuals who believe the survival and continuation of their government is the first and foremost priority.
"The living will envy the dead..." Nikita Khrushchev
@@GlennMarden thanks for getting back :)
The most eye-opening thing for me is apparently the average American doesn't know it could all end, horribly, in a matter of minutes. That sure explains why we live the way we do
I feel like most Americans live like they are aware, even though they comically aren't.
Hey dan i have listened to you for years and was wondering, is there a way to get some of your old shows . Like wrath of the khans or blueprints for Armageddon, or even prophets of doom . Cause its enjoyable to go back a relisten to them .
They should be available for purchase on his website.
Absolutely bone-chilling episode
I read Nuclear War: A Scenario in one sitting after listening to this. Incredible and terrifying book. There's a couple 'just-so' moments that ensure that the situation continuously worsens that do not feel entirely plausible, but the idea that the fate of the entire world can rest on, say, whether or not the President of the United States can get in contact with the President of Russia in the next ten minutes, is utterly terrifying.
HARDCORE is the only way to do History! Thank you Dan!
Mr. Carlin ,irrespective of the topic and whether a deep dive or addendum you could provide 75 hours of content because it's absolutely wonderful .
Thanks ever much
Dan Carlin. You’re the man!
Her book was incredible
Thanks for the interview and book recommendation. I just finished the book on Audible and enjoyed it.
The Shawn Ryan Show brought me here. Look forward to buying her book.
Recently I watched a lecture series on Prime about pre-Inca cultures in the Andes. It described an ancient urban culture that lasted a couple thousand years. The amazing thing was that there were no defensive walls around the cities, and no evidence of warfare. It was the most hopeful thing I have ever heard
Should it be? Given that those people were wiped out by the ruthless, inhumane actions of our current over-seers perhaps you should rethink what about it is so inspiring to you
Personally I think it would take more than just an absence of evidence of warfare to support the notion of an entire civilization was completely without it. It's a bit like telling me there's no evidence that they spoke, I think it's still a much safer bet that they did. We are almost certainly the least violent, most politically unified human beings in the history of the world, unless the Atlantians show up. If there are conditions in which human beings can live peaceably we are much closer to those conditions than ever we have been. I think we easily beat any of our ancestors in regards to any metrics that I would imagine make peace easier, extreme material abundance, highly unified and stable political units on a scale our ancestors couldn't imagine, relatively clear lines of authority, unprecedented cultural exchange, mutual respect and knowledge, technologies of communication that allow people across the planet to communicate. Yet we still have wars, so I'd say a bunch of dudes who can't just call the police when someone is bothering them probably fought quite a bit more.
Yes, it does take more than an absence of evidence to determine whether this culture had no warfare. I would recommend the lecture series because it was very convincing. I'm 62, and believed that war is the human condition. That is why I was so impressed
Convetsely..........
Look at the colossal threat quietly standing just off stage and effectively looming over us.
Now. Look at the individuals who can influence or control the unleashing of these horrors:
....ButcherBiden
....Antony Blinken
....the orange ape
....Lloyd Austin
.....Tillerson
.....Pompeo
....Bibi Netanyahu
....Kim Jung IL
....the amorphous, faceless, little known leadership at NATO
Anyone have any confidence in our longevity ?
Given your point, I think we have de-evolved.
There are some criticisms you could lay on the author about technical aspects of her scenario, plenty of people have mentioned it in the comments so I'm not going to reiterate, I would caution them to remember though that the igniter of this whole scenario, The Bolt out of the Blue attack is not in debate, that is a scenario that can happen, I would also remind the critics that the ICBM response might be technically a suboptimal response but with a decision window under 10 minutes, it's not a hard stretch to imagine a sub optimal response being ordered. Change the scenario around as much as you want the primary statement the scenario is trying to make stands, We still exist in an Era of extreme risk from nuclear weapons. I think the wierd hostility against somone for being a journalist as if somehow being that profession justifies dismissing legitimate concerns is the actions of very immature minds.
Ordered her book. Great show, Dan!
Her voice is amazing! Lex Friedman has a great interview with her, where she explains this issue in detail! 100% recommended
The biggest fan of annie jacobsen is annie jacobsen
Great content as always Dan! Thank you
As a wise man once answered an alomst tone-deaf question on facebook (ikr): What would you do if Putin would decide to nuclear attack your country? "I'd try to be as close as possible to the bomb blast."
PS: truly horrific scenarios - good job. Cheers!
Wonderful and scary at the same time. cudos dan and More to the point Annie.
Every day we get to live is a blessing. The potential destruction is just minutes away Every Day
Such a calm voice for such a disturbing topic
Thanks for the new show 🎉❤🎉
I love Dan's stuff. Supernova in the far east was spectacular. But on this topic I have to say I have significant issues.
The authors opening sentence gave me concern, and then throughout her discussion it was only confirmed. In her opening I had hoped that her reference to saber rattling was the lead in to what deterrence is and how nuclear weapons play into that. But no. While she touched the topic tangentially there really was no solid addressing of the topic. This really became evident when talking about the number of bombs created. Anyone who is truly briefed on the topic, as she claims to have be, would fully understand the numbers aspect. The short summary of this is: A nuclear war, whether life ending or not, is still a war. Therefore the US and Soviet union both created enough bombs to destroy the targets they deemed necessary to win the war. She speaks with a lot of dramatic language but lacks a lot of the knowledge one would expect for someone who has thoroughly researched the topic. Case in point. She is in awe about the bomb design where a fission bomb is used to initiate the hydrogen bomb and that this is somehow significant. The kilo/mega ton numbers do all of that without the dramatics around design. The reality is the fission bomb is the spark plug and is unrelated, more or less, to the magnitude of the hydrogen bomb. She was right about man and machines failing. That is the key and scariest part of the nuclear situation. Sadly, she fails to mention that we used to think nuclear wars could be won, but does not mention the absolutely crucial details that Russia STILL DOES. They have extensive bunkers and a plan to do a first strike which has become more enticing to them since they have the hypersonic missiles. They only need a reason. This is why the approach the US and Nato have taken with Ukraine is utter insanity. We keep poking the bear in the eye, at some point they are going to take a swipe in return. Overall she seems to have talked to so many experts but missed so many critical details. Dan asked some really good questions but honestly I'm not impressed with her answers. Granted I'm a little more up to speed than most on these issues but still she missed major points that many people understand. For instance, the 6 minute window to issue the launch order. That is incorrect. That time is not about deciding whether you are willing to launch. That decision is made when you become president and are briefed on the nuclear procedures. Those 6 minutes are about determining if the situation is real etc. Next she talks about launching missiles over Russia to deal with North Korea. This was incredulous giving she had just talked about submarines. We have boomers positioned near North Korea since Eastern Russia is a target and we would not risk starting a war with Russia by shooting over them when we have a sub sitting within a few hundred miles that could do the job without risking a confrontation with Russia or China. Over and over and over she misses the mark. The horrors or nuclear war are real, the threat of war is real, all of that is true, but this authors interpretation is significantly off base in so many key ways. I'm half way through the video and have to quit or this summary will become a book. Overall, I'm not seeing value in this book if it has the same inaccuracies as her interview.
Was pulling my hair out throughout this conversation. Thanks for writing this comment.
Didn’t like it when she made up stuff on Joe rogans podcast. Not a real historian Dan even said she’s for the dramatics
This woman is a charlatan on the topic. She hammers home already known and understood fears like they are revelatory new information for society to digest. Realistically, it's to sell some books.
I only made it thru about 30 minutes of her 3 hrs interview ok Lex Friedman for many of the reasons you've listed.
@nickfrom1228 “the approach the us and nato have taken with Ukraine is utter insanity.”
This is a remarkable level of cowardice.
Let me ask you, why was Ukraine a red line but Finland was not? Your yellow belly is showing
Annie’s operation paper clip book is one of my personal favorites
Gwynne Dyer, Dan Carlin, and now welcome Annie Jacobsen (I recently only discovered her on Lex Fridman’s podcast) to my short list of favorite voices on human conflict history and journalism. I tore through her new book in a day…frustrating and depressing but damn is it a brilliant page turner.
An hour ? Now THAT is a „blitz”
With such dirt poor leadership in the modern world the amount of doomsday weapons laying around is just crazy.
Love you and the team, Dan
This is a great interview
I've worked with nuclear weapons for most of my life, from my time in the air force through my time at Sandia. And the EMP part of the horror show is in fact the first act. When the soviet union went belly up their nuclear doctrine was leaked and their strategy was broken into 4 parts. Part 1 was to detonate several medium yield weapons at about the altitude of the ISS over the continental US, which would devastate everything from the grid to communications, followed by all the strategic targets, command and control, and the population centers
She's great. Very much on point
You got a huge shout out from Elon Dan. Baller!
Just watched fallout and this drops. Great talk.
As always, the best of the best
Still waiting for the Dan Carlin takes on the Thirty Years War and the Crimean War.
Christmas came early 🙌🙌
Love Annie’s voice
Good to be informed Thank you
Her book was awesome in the way that awe is
Dude i need a 4hr podcast minimum. You are just teasing with these hour episodes. Stop it.
4-12hrs, that's what i need.
Great show! Never gonna have a light hearted episode are we? Ah that’s what’s the Germany WW1 VS Germany WW2 vid. Be safe y’all can’t wait for the next show!
Great show.
Cheers!
Every new Hard Core History comes like the first gulp of water to thirsty man.
Nice one Dan
I bet the Coast Gaurd felt really left out...
Excellent talk!
Great stuff like always
WhoopWhoop!! My day just got a lot better! Anyone know approximately when the next Hardcore is going to be released?
Annie Jacobsen made a fool of herself on JRE, hope her book on nukes is better than her work on operation paperclip
Great timing putting this book out in 2024 during the Biden Administration when everyone is staring at the TV waiting for nuclear Holocaust
Look at the colossal threat quietly standing just off stage and effectively looming over us.
Now. Look at the individuals who can influence or control the unleashing of these horrors:
....ButcherBiden
....Antony Blinken
....the orange ape
....Lloyd Austin
.....Tillerson
.....Pompeo
....Bibi Netanyahu
....Kim Jung IL
....the amorphous, faceless, little known leadership at NATO
Anyone have any confidence in our longevity ?
Great show
Got this audio book. It's pure insanity that we all live under this sword of damocles and we all just go to school and take the kids to soccer like 3/4ths of the human population couldn't just disappear. Nuclear powers should be giving each other a wide berth, but instead we are fighting a proxy war in Ukraine. Anyway the book is honestly wild and fantastic. Cannot recommend it enough.
Not a fan of this book from her but it opened my eyes to her other work and her book on the CIA is fantastic!
Victoria Newland and Chrystia Freeland come to mind 1 minute in.
Sewage drenched leadership...and they can influence a button pusher.
You can find a lot of truth written within fiction too, Dan. Just got to find the right authors.
What are some examples?
@@SnakeBitesApe Huxley, Orwell, Vonnegut, Hesse, Joyce, Hemingway, Dostoyevsky, Steinbeck, Kerouac, Lovecraft, Kafka, Asimov, Bradbury, Tolkien, George R. Stewart, Neal Stephenson, Anthony Burgess, Dan Simmons, Colin Wilson, Michael Talbot, Herbert, Heinlein, Philip K. Dick (and a ton of other vintage sci fi).
@@wileyschmitt no, I mean what is an actual example of truth that you found in one of those authors works of fiction? Just curious.
@@SnakeBitesApe Many fictional stories take place in our world, so there are often facts and real world accounts that are mentioned in most of those stories, and some are often littered with info and history that authors share with their readers, along with realities and circumstances of the times that younger readers can learn about and/or imagine more clearly despite their ignorance of such things by not having been a part of that era.
@@wileyschmitt love that. What is your specific favorite? What truth did you learn?
Oh that the “you will have to read it in my book” lady from JRE 😅
Two of my favorite history junkies in a conversation about nuclear peril?! Oh, yes, please.
DC and AJ in the same podcast, what could be better.
Just reading the title this morning lets go