There is a complaint about Tucker being the mayor of Amity Park. In the first two seasons of Danny Phantom, it is shown that when Tucker gets hold of power, he gets corrupted easily and is willing to betray his friends.
Yes that is true my version of season three would count on that. My problem with Tucker being mayor is that they never once showed him being interested in mayoral position.
@@MrsJoker-fo9ls Butch didn’t wanted to add him in, so he gave Tucker a rather cheap reward for being in the third wheel while Danny and Sam have verbal sex with each other.
It seems very "Butch" to make a kid mayor, though I do agree it's dumb. It's something I'd expect to see more in an episode of FOP, not Danny Phantom which takes itself a little more seriously.
I would personally hate 😠 the idea, the dream idea is overused. Never meeting danni many fans would not like, to never have the ghost powers WOULD be a nightmare 😨. the idea is already a fail. I would give some take some episodes for season 3. The "official " Final episode never happens.
Danny Phantom Season 3 Potential: Have Dan come back Butch Hartman: No! That's too dark! Danny Phantom Season 3 Reality: Has an episode where Vlad kidnaps a small child who he pretended to love as a daughter last season and LITERALLY ALMOST MURDERS her while enjoying it as said small child screams in fear and pain Butch Hartman: This is fine
@@lelnel6242 Well he did kidnap her after she ran away. She eventually ran away from him in the ep where he was pretending to treat her as a daughter, and was living in the streets, then he kidnapped her to experiment on her/melt her down to collect her DNA.
Team Phantom-Sam, Tucker and Jazz, did poor Danny wrong. The one time Danny needed moral support and guidance, they made Danny a jerk because A) he selflessly sacrificed his ghost powers to save his parents from getting arrested and B) when he was having a run of bad luck with the Masters Blasters, as well as contemplating about having a normal life, his so-called friends and sister dismissed him as selfish and stupid while implying that they prefer “Danny Phantom” over regular “Danny Fenton.”
The retcons are also horribly offensive to suicidal/bullied people considering the backstories of Poindexter and Ember involve killing themselves via bullying.
And considering Butch's views on suicide and how he jokes about Mary Kay Bergman death as he blames it on Tara Strong... Does this comes across surprising?
Butch is such a contradiction. He wants to be child friendly but yet openly makes fun of suicide. A very disrespectful and immature man. May he find peace one day because it sure seems like he's an angry whiner.
Here are 3 things that made Vlad stupid in Phantom Planet: 1. Vlad revealing his secret identity to the world is dumb. 2. Planning to rule the world and getting 500 billion dollars is dumb because Vlad is already super rich. 3. Vlad didn't get sample of the disasteroid run some test first. Now what we thought of Phantom Planet: a stupid Vlad, an even stupider Danny, a forced canon shipping and wonked up ending.
To be fair on that third point, even for Vlad, I'm not sure how easy it would be to get a sample of the asteroid, and it being conveniently made out of a never before mentioned material that just so happens to nullify ghosts is an egregious asspull. I agree with the second point. Vlad demanding money just seems obligatory. Plus, if he rules the world, he doesn't even need money anymore. It's really bad writing, but ultimately doesn't actually harm the story in any meaningful way. The first point though. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Vlad revealing his identity with total confidence that his plan is completely and utterly foolproof, and that it wouldn't come back to bite him even if it _did_ succeed, is one of the single most blatantly idiotic things I have ever seen any villain do ever, and is a much more damning flaw since it's such a critical part of the story.
The show peaked after the “Ultimate Enemy” . It was all down hill from there. If ultimate enemy was the finale, the show would’ve been more highly regarded
The episodes after The Ultimate Enemy are for sure hit or miss for me. I liked Reality Trip as the finale & it made sense in terms of timeline but I agree
Tbh Ultimate Enemy is already a really dumb episode. It never goes into why cheating on a test causes Danny's parents to explode. Is it because they went to Nasty Burger afterwards to celebrate? If so, then that has nothing to do with the cheating, the lession would be "don't so well in school and never visit fast food places with your family, or else they may die." Also why and how the fuck did two dead ghosts have a baby together and HOW did evil Danny put a ghost in a wheelchair??
That's the only thing that makes sense, you have ghost like ember who were clearly alive at one point and you have ghost like skulker and bertrand who are just green blobs
Yeah, I found it really weird that we had actual, human ghosts (ember, lunch lady, the bullied kid, kitty and Johnny 13) and vlads ghost animals whose skins are on vlads wall, but then there are other ghosts (skulker, the dragons, overgrowth, frostbite) that just... Exist??? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to say something along the lines of "some were people, some got corrupted as ghosts (like the animals being mutated ghosts) and some are deities who were there to keep the zone in check since the beginning (clockwork, Pandora, the observers)" The whole "its another dimension" is a lame excuse, because if it really was, they could've done something similar to stranger things, where they're mostly unknown and don't interact a lot with the flip-side world (earth)
@get butthurt • 666 years ago ok firstly please don't bring sin and religion into a children's cartoon. I'm semi-religious but you really could've ended that on the first sentence without a paragraph on why I'm a "stupid sinner", especially since the concept of sin hasn't been proven to be real. Secondly, I never said humans aren't animals, I'm saying that some animal ghosts were mutated, same as some human ghosts (J 13 and his shadow, the warden, etc) and they could've played it as a corruption arc. The rule of the ghost zone was that you became who you wanted to be when you died (ember became the rock star she dreamed of becoming when she died). J 13 saw himself as unlucky, so he became 13 and the unlucky shadow (he mutated) and the ghosts of the animals probably saw themselves as the trophies worth hunting that vlad made them out to be. Instead of the whole "other dimension" thing the creators pulled, they could've said some became what they wanted, some got corrupted or became what others saw them as, some could be ghosts of concepts/new deities (like overgrowth & tornado), and some could be keepers of the ghost zone
The one thing that immediately pops into my mind when ever I think about season 3 is that one scene where Danny saves and carries a bus full of kids! I seriously don’t remember him carrying enormous and heavy objects from the previous seasons! Did he?
It was one of Danny's ghost powers that anything he grabs with his hands becomes as weightless as he is when he flies. That's why all he needs to do to carry people is to loosely grab by the arm. He's carried lots of extremely heavy things before. Granted a full bus was probably the biggest one but maybe that shows how he's improved.
@@MadameTamma Danny has lifted heavy things before like in parental bonding he lifted and threw a large dragon a few miles away and in mystery meat he was able to casually knock down the meat monster with barely any difficulty
another reason was the episode "Girls Night Out" which perpetuates this toxic narrative that "feminists are man haters" (many viewers would interpret that) but the 3 antagonists (Ember Kitty and Spectra) got rid of all the men and brainwashed all of the women (minus Sam Manson and Jazz and Maddie Fenton) because they were having issues with their own boyfriends (Skulker Johnny 13 and Bertrand) it has nothing to do with feminism!
Where is Desiree in this episode. Shouldn't Desiree be in this episode because he is a female ghost. Second, why is Valerie not with Sam, Jazz and Maddie. The reason why Valerie Gray should be in Girls Night Out was because Valerie is a ghost hunter, like Maddie, and she should in that episode.
I think Vortex, Nocturn, and Overgrowth were interesting concepts that suffered poor execution. I think ghost like Pharia Dark, Clockwork, and the others listed above can work as either "general inhabitants" or "super ancient and a little crazy because of it".
Honestly, I found myself agreeing with overgrowth up until the mind control/feed people to plants part. He was super interesting as a villain, and the poor execution ruined it. Not to mention, the conflict could've been solved with "how about we make a nature reserve for you"
Sort of like the sinners and imps in Hazbin hotel and helluva boss. The imps being native inhabitants of hell along with people like Charlie and Stolas and his family and sinners like Vaggie, imps clients and the Hazbin gang being former humans who died and went to hell
I think he’s called Undergrowth. And I think that it should’ve tied to Sam’s preference with vegetation and maybe it could be a gardener who was suddenly buried with nothing but thorns.
You know what is more interesting than Sam and Danny ending up together and becoming a forced couple without having any development, Danielle Phantom. The reason Danielle Phantom is an more interesting character than Sam was because it could lead to more stories and development for her as well as giving Danny as a role as big brother and mentor. Also, it was mentioned that Sam and Tucker are tired of being sidekicks to Danny. I believe that Danielle could take the role of the sidekick for Danny. Here is what I saw: Dani Phantom is the biggest example of the show's wasted potential. I never understood why people didn't like her, I never found her annoying, I thought she was cool. I liked seeing Danny act very mature and responsible as well as actually treat her nicely. In other words, he was acting like a big brother. Part of the whole "letting his parents know" thing I mentioned could have stabilized her. Remember those plans I mentioned? It's rumored that Danielle would have been adopted by Danny's parents. If this is true, it could mean Steve would have let Jack and Maddie learn Danny's secret for good. I would have liked this, because I like seeing Danny act like a big brother and not hesitate to save Danielle. I think him becoming a big brother would have made him a more interesting character. Really, Danielle got the shaft, she was left to live on the streets and don't tell Danny didn't introduce her to his parents because he respected her and she didn't need to be under his wing. If he did care, he wouldn't have left her on the streets. She could have met his family and actually develop a connection with each of them, especially Jack since she could have had a better father than Vlad. She needs a family, she needs a home and I seriously doubt she found that off screen given she's half ghost and knows so little about the outside world. She could have become a much better sidekick than Sam or Tucker so that Danny doesn't need to save them when their a target of a ghost, she could have developed more as a character and we could have seen Danny develop even more in his maturity and responsibility. AND this is part of the other problem I mention about too much focus on Sam and Danny's mutual interest... the show stopped developing characters and stop being interested in trying to expand on them or the stories they brought up, more on that later when we talk about the finale. For Danielle, they could have focused on her being a clone, the standard "Am I a real person" kind of thing, he developing a connection with the rest of the Fentons, her wanting to live up to someone worthy of working with Danny and so forth. I honestly find their brother-and-sister type of relationship much more interesting than whether or not he and Sam ever get together. Him being Danielle's big brother made him a much more interesting character than Sam's boyfriend. It's ironic to me there's a 12 year old girl who had potential for much more interesting stories and development as opposed to the relationship and the character the third season focused on for Danny.
The Danielle episode for season 3 was actually good and the ice powers were pretty cool but I honestly hated phantom planet I just rewatched it’s yesterday with my little bro and finished the whole series again and I have to admit phantom planet is worse than I remember and I honestly got pissed when I saw vlad die the most bs way and my bro got pissed aswell and was just laughing as it was the most dumb way to have a villain get killed
I thought Frostbite was a good ally ghost to add into the show. He only really had two appearances though, not enough time for him to be involved with the story much. I also would've liked to see more Clockwork in season 3 and the return of Dark Dan. Dark Dan was Danny's most formidable enemy in the entire show. It appears like he's Danny's own shadow from an alternate future gone wrong, which goes along with the theme "you are your own worst enemy", and Dark Dan is a perfect representation of that and the dark side/shadow of Danny himself.
@@evan8168Here is another idea: Since there was a deal between Fright Knight and Vlad that was never revealed, I believe that if Steve Marmel stayed for Season 3, Fright Knight might start working for Vlad and we might see Vlad wearing the Crown of Fire and the Ring of Rage.
Butch Hartman is also to blame because him going overbudget during Season 2, especially the Dark Danny episode, led to the show getting cancelled after three seasons.
I HATED how they played out Sam and Danny's relationship in S3. They kept playing the "will they, won't they" trope. We all knew they were going to end up together, they hinted at this so many times, it became annoying. The reason people like the Danny x Valarie ship is because we actually GOT to see them dating, we got to see their dynamic even if it was generic. It's still something but we don't know how Danny and Sam are going to behave as an official couple. Will they continue to act as friends, will they act like a generic couple? We don't know. And honestly it damn annoying!
@BlankBlares there are so many episodes that are proof of why they SHOULDN'T be a couple that i'm still impresed (read disgusted) that there are still people shipping it. When reading fanfics, i put filters so that the ship doesn't show. I even accidentally created a debate in the comment section of a danny phantom video for crying out loud (i mean the user said "change my mind" and i said challenge accepted.
@BlankBlares he doesn’t like butch no more I saw Menzies talking to other RUclipsrs about the dislike towards butch in another video and in my opinion People are right about Danny and Sam being a terrific couple and there’s very very few Danny and Sam shippers that like butch Hartman and please delete the formally Menzies comment since he doesn’t like butch no more
@@MrsJoker-fo9ls I'm not sure about the toxic side, maybe be Sam is a bit of a Hippocrate when it comes to her character, but overall it's just that I find this ship to be boring and genetic, there's nothing too wrong with it, it's just that it wasn't well written.
One reason why Vlad went from an intelligent and manipulative villain to a generic villain who wanted to over the world was because of psychosis. Think about it, the main cause for Vlad going on a state of psychosis would be losing Maddie, Danny always rejecting him, losing to Jack, and the prime clone being destroyed. Because of this, he had lost it and no longer wanted Danny as a son. Instead, he chose to antagonize Danny and sees him as a rival.
Tbh while that’s a good explanation on paper, the show has been so sloppily written by this point that I honestly don’t believe for a second that that was the intention behind this change. They just had no idea what to do with Vlad’s character by this point so they just turned him into a mustache-twirling villain of the week instead of someone with great power, experience and influence over someone green like Danny.
How is this a good explanation? Slapping a psychotic label without knowing what it means onto an inconsistent character and pretending the real life disorder has anything to do with morality and just magically makes people act "evil" and want to hurt people just because is the oldest lazy writing trick in the book. Not to mention ableist.
If Danny Phantom was to ever come back through reboot or continuation, I highly doubt that Nick will bring Butch back from how low he brought himself in current years. EDIT - I stand corrected with him working on some new Fairly Odd Parents whatever, God damnit Butch.
I'd be happy with that. I hope that they would get a show runner who knew how to be creatively dark with all the ground work the original series set up. My personal pick would be someone like Alex Hirsch who did such a great job at balancing out comedy and horrific elements in his cartoon, but I know that's a long shot since he works for Disney.
I mean if Danny Phantom where to have a Reboot it should be Moved to Disney or Cartoon Network since Nick looks like it shows no interest in bringing back the show no matter how much people Protested. But if they do reboot Danny Phantom on Cartoon Network Or Disney they better not make a Comdey filled kids show like the Reboots of today it should be rebooted with a New Creator that has a Passion in truly bring the show back.
@@stevenuniverse9336 In hindsight, looking back, both shots of Disney & CN really should've been the better move, especially back then. Nick does drop a lot of interesting ideas on a whim as time goes on.
The points you made about Butch not seeming to understand the lore of his own show, and one of the writers who made seasons 1 and 2 good being absent for season 3 gives me strong Legend of Korra vibes. Especially season 2 Korra.
In fairness to Korra, the writers didn't know whether or not the series would be renewed for more seasons until near the end of season 1. It makes sense that Korra kinda had some issues going into season 2 and onwards. Butch himself should have had a better written story as he knew, he would almost certainly not get anymore new episodes, plus while Danny Phantom has a more interesting lore than most people give it credit for, It's not that complicated for the most part. The only tricky lore is Dark Danny as it deals with time travel, but given that he doesn't make a return in season 3 (which kinda blows since he was hinted to return at the end of his episode) it does not make sense how Butch messed up other aspects.
The best way I can sum up this season was that it felt like it was devolving from a superhero ghost show into a generic superhero show. The ghosts and Danny's ice powers, as cool as those were, really cemented that feeling for me. And on a semi-related note, I have to wonder how the hell they got away with Ember x Skulker. Ember is a teen and Skulker is like an adult; that's really messed up.
It's probably because they are dead beings, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Skulker never stated his age so even he is an implied adults they never actually state it. Its still very weird though. It's also possible that Butch and the new writers forgot that Ember was a teen.
@@mikemorro140 When Young Blood and Ember work together, the one thing they agree upon is their dislike for adults specifically parents. Young Blood is obviously a child and Ember would have to be a teen otherwise her taste for adults would make no sense if she were an adult.
I should also probably mention that while I was also once part of the DannyXSam fandom; after a while, I've noticed there were many...MANY moments where the two of them acted pretty toxic towards each other. Sam's often bossy, forcing Danny and Tucker to support her own silly beliefs, she badmouths everything around her that's considered "normal," she barely takes Danny's stress into consideration after he endured so much from both School AND ghost fighting, she's self-righteous (like Current Brian Griffin levels of self-righteousness) and she gave me a negative worldview on Goths for YEARS! As for Danny; he's often depicted as stupid, klutzy, smug, selfish, short-tempered, cynical, has cheesy superhero one-liners and often makes fool-hearty decisions. However, many of said decisions stem from having to make all manner of sacrifices. He has to protect the town (mostly on his own) on a daily basis, lie to his almost everyone about who he is, lose every chance at a stable relationship...all to protect a world from beings who shouldn't even exist. In short, while there IS such a thing as Opposites Attract; it only works when said opposites deal with their relationship in a healthy manner and what Butch has done with Danny x Sam was terrible. The fanfiction works based around the couple haven't made that many improvements either
To be honest I'm not entirely sure WHY Sam hung out with Tucker and Danny to begin with. I do see what you mean by the toxic moments but I also know of a lot of moments where they DO stick their neck out for each other and help one another so I'm not saying their entire relationship was bad. I'm talking about was why did they START being friends? After Danny got his powers, fighting ghosts was mostly all they talked about, but before then, why were they friends? Sam seemed to have no tolerance for Danny and Tucker's attitude towards girls, and she was into occult books, activism, and things that the two boys were neutral towards at best (Like helping her save the frogs in the science lab) and down right against at worst (Like her idea to replace the cafeteria menu). The only thing I can think of that they had in common was 1. being an outcast in high school and 2. video games, but it was revealed in one episode that they didn't even know Sam was a gamer for a long time.
At the very leaste Sam is still better than Cindy Vortex as she can be downright abrusive even when Jimmy wasnt doing anything to her see the Sciencie Fair episode or how she was to give Jimmy away to jail for money
@@donaldcass9678 yeah true. But at the same time she was overly mean to hide her true feelings. While Sam is suppose to be their friend. Yeah Sam can be kind of bossy but she'll put her neck on the line for Danny all the time. Plus people talk about Sam Sam I liked and respect. Remember Sam was rich she easily could of been in the popular crowd but chose not to be because she wanted to be her own person and not be used. I don't get why people think Val is that much better I never liked Val. 1. Sam's way more attractive. 2. She constantly had this tired worn grudge against Danny Phantom when he over and over proved he wasn't her enemy she really just got on my nerves with that. 3. She only because friends with Danny because she lost her status and popularity once she became poor. Sam was already rich and she easily could been with the popular crowd but she already knew how empty it was and made a Decision to keep being rich a secret and decided to be her own individuality. 4. She was friends with Danny way longer. Danny barely knows Valerie he knew Sam since 2nd grade they have history and obviously had more time to devolp real feelings vs Valerie seems to be more of a short term thing.
@@michaelsarmiento4661 That's not what psychosis is. You don't magically develop a chemical imbalance in your brain by being "evil" enough. Immorality has nothing to do with it. And psychosis doesn't make you randomly want to do plot-convenient "evil" things that hurt people for no reason. That's just a ridiculously lazy excuse to write inconsistent characters. And it demonizes and harms real people with a medical condition in the real world, if you can imagine that. Check your ableism and look up a word sometimes.
The biggest disappointment? Dark Danny never came back. And all of the New Ghosts in season 3, I can honestly say that I have no recollection of any of their names or powers. That’s how unmemorable they were in comparison to the ghosts we met in previous seasons. And I think that’s the problem with this entire season. None of it is memorable. If you ask any Danny Phantom fan what their favorite villain is of what their favorite episode is, none of those answers will come from this season. And that’s the entire problem. Steve Marmel understood this where Butch didn't. I honestly hope Danny never comes back because Butch completely misunderstands what made it special and season 3 is the proof of that misunderstanding.
@BlankBlares I imagine an anime scene where Steve Marmel would have punched his former colleague Butch Hartman in the face like what Omni Man did to his son Mark in the season 1 finale of Invincible. Steve would be like "Why did you make me do this! You're fighting just so you can see how much your franchises, including Fairly OddParents, has fallen from grace after I left Nickelodeon! THINK BUTCH, THINK!!!". Would be fitting to see that since Butch Hartman has become the most fallen hero since Sasuke from the Naruto franchise (although Sasuke redeemed himself at the end of Naruto Shippuden). But, after seeing Fairly Odder, looks like there is no hope of Butch Hartman turning back to the way he was before he destroyed the quality of his own shows starting in 2007 with the third season of Danny Phantom.
@@renejustinnillo3087 Hartman's shows are a complete decrease in quality. If Butch Hartman is less egotistical, he would tell Nickelodeon that intended for FOP to run for 5 seasons and doesn't want a continuity. Deep down, he knows there is a continuity in the FOP but he is not interested in it or has no interest in developing a continuity. Second, if Butch decided to agree with Marmel's version of Season 3 of Danny Phantom, that is fine for as long as the tone of Danny Phantom is not too dark, he would allow Steve to make his version of Season 3 of Danny Phantom to go dark.
I would have loved if there was a Fairly OddParents and Danny Phantom crossover where Nega Timmy and Dark Danny were the main villains, and Timmy and Danny must work together to defeat those two bad guys. They look like great concepts on paper, even if they only lasted one episode. It interests me that Nega Timmy and Dark Danny were both evil sinister versions of the main heroes themselves created by their own selfish acts, much to the frustration of their own allies (Timmy doing the opposite of what his parents say and Danny cheating on the Career Aptitude Test). This idea of mine may not be ideal, but still better than whatever nonsense the third season of Danny Phantom gave us, and more akin to what Steve Marmel planned to do after Season 2 of Danny Phantom if he wasn’t fired from the project.
Butch’s success would never happened without Steve, let’s be honest. Once he was gone from Danny Phantom, that is the proof that Butch is only strong when he has someone like Steve.
honestly the only rational reason I could come up with was Vlad was on such a massive power trip being so massively cocky that he could solve the problem that he decided to do so as the zenith of arrogance.
Looking back at what happened to Fairly OddParents in its later years, I honestly think it’s best that Danny Phantom ended at its third season. I mean, imagine if the writers for later Fairly OddParents episodes (especially Ray DeLaurentis) worked on Danny Phantom. With both how Danny Phantom and FOP ended, one died a hero while the other lived long enough to become the villain that sadly suffered an anticlimactic Shakespearean death.
How uncreative. It would be better if Steve Marmel and the original writers weren’t fired for one of Hartman’s careless messes. Season 3 never had the spark to end the show in a high note. It never did. It only needed five to six seasons for a show to be done in a satisfactory manner, thus resolving all of the arcs like Valeria’s dilemma, Dani’s problems, Vlad’s deal with Fright Knight and whatever artifacts he’s wielding for his plans, and Dark Danny’s business with Danny.
@@aaa-bm1fv Are you talking about Steve Marmel or Butch Hartman? You know, Danny Phantom didn’t die a “hero’s death”. It died being burnt alive by its creator's foolishness and greed. The fact that Season 3 only ended in a surface-level satisfactory note without resolving all of its plot-lines without Steve Marmel to do with only makes it worse. Danny Phantom has the potential to run for 6 seasons and 120 episodes, necessary for character development and building up its plot points to the very end until we get to the final battle between Danny and Dark Danny. Danny Phantom doesn’t need a ending where the hero gets a statue all over the world, it needs an ending where he gets accepted by his family, classmates, and peers, graduates, and prepares for phase 2.
To me Sam suffered the 2000s not like other anti feminine girls trope wrap in a goth package. And it’s not sams fault just like mako from the lok, sakura from naruto, etc. the characters suffered from writers that didn’t give them the time and thought these character needed. I feel like Sam should of had another friend outside the trio especially a female friend, they could of had a episode of her and Valerie or a wayyyy better one with jazz (the girls night out kills me it was just it the girl episode … for girls … but only Sam and jazz 8) ) also this is just me as a someone who’s latine but having Sam’s rivals as WOC (Valerie a black girl and Paulina a dark skin Latina) doesn’t go well with me, butch. Like again I think Sam should of had a friend or someone join the group that was more of the idealize girly girl and both have their view points cross paths and both could of grown from it. I always point to the teen Titans episode of when Raven and star fire switch bodies and had to learn each other view points if not the boys would been doomed and after that they truely became friends.
@@prettyme4387 This right here While I agreed with the rant the race part doesn't matter as in the end this happens in an actual school anyway and with Sam's clashing with the two being choked up to their personalities not being all that compatible (mostly Sam's fault but the others aren't perfect either).
I agree with everything. Yes, I know ppl don't want to put race into things but it is hard to ignore when you see that type of thing often in different media.
I say reboot it but with a completely different creator attached to it, steve can be a co-director or creative consultant, also this series needs fresh blood in the writing team for this to make a great comeback
As long as danny and sam don't become a couple, or make it more compelling to make me give a shit of the possibility (seriously, the people around them think they're a couple when doing nothing ship-worthy)
@@sagesixparties7217 but they were wasted and their relationship was ruined. I only accept Valerie as a love interest for Danny if their relationship was rewritten in a better way
@@sagesixparties7217 Agreed...plus, Val was a fighter; not just with ghost hunting but in terms of actual combat skills. Who wouldn't want a girlfriend who's a 9th Degree Black Belt. Meanwhile, Sam's only useful in a fight when she has the Fentons' inventions on hand. She can't throw a punch, has zero combat skills and is a total nag...she's like Nami from One Piece only more annoying
Vlad reminds me a lot of the Jessica Jones villain, Killgrave. They're not the rule the world types. They have no need, they can just use their powers to get whatever they want easily, Although Vlad is certainly a lot more crafty than Killgrave. All Killgrave has to do is use his mind control but Vlad can overshadow any person to force them to give anything, use his wealth, or his scientific know how. But getting whatever you want so easily does something to a person, and whenever they find something (or someone) they want that they can't have, they grow scarily obsessed and go through horrifying means to take it. Sam Manson reminds me of the character Trish Walker from Jessica Jones, The hero's supportive best friend. At first you think she pushes her friend because she deeply believes in their potential to be a hero, until later on when it's slowly revealed that Trish just wants to live THROUGH her friend and be a hero herself because she has an overwhelming sense of self righteousness and thinks that she the best person to judge what's best for everyone. In Danny Phantom we see what Tucker would choose to do if he got any power but never Sam (At least not when she wasn't brainwashed). I'd imagine she'd go the same way as Trish and try to be a hero on her own terms, screw what it does to the people around her.
I personally don’t dislike season 3 because I do enjoy some of the concepts for the episodes but phantom planet should have been a season 4 finale especially because of the penultimate episode of the series with Valerie finding out that Vlad is half ghost
I agreed with everything you said!! I really didn’t like Sam that much, Valerie was far superior. Season 3 makes me so upset. I also noticed how they barely go to school in season 3 which is a big part of it since it’s supposed to be how he balances school and hero work.
I agree i do like Sam but Valerie was a far more instesting Girl that i would have loved if Danny ended up with Valerie and Danny would have made a Great couple
@@stevenuniverse9336 yes!! Even if they didn’t end up together, they could have at least given her something. She was easily one of my favourites and Butch just dropped her.
The only time that proves Butch's statement that ghosts are monsters to be right was in Ultimate Enemy because since Danny's loved ones died why didnt they turn into ghosts and live in the G Zone ?
@@savagedarksider5934 still it was over 10 years wouldn't Tucker and Sam's ghost try to make contact plus were not told the exact time between the explosion and Vlad , I doubt it took a day to pack.
I think the instances of dead people becoming ghosts can be attributed to reincarnation. They get reincarnated as a ghost species. While they are unlikely to retain all the memories of their past incarnation, some memories may stick, allowing them to pick their theme as a ghost.
Keep in mind Butch Hartman had to cut his series short. Originally Danny Phantom was suppose to go six seasons plus. It was due to Nickalodian that he had to cut a bunch out of his cartoon and change things to finish with the ending it did and had a set time limit to do so. If (big if) Butch could legal own the serise again it would possibly continue. Sadly at this point it is unknown if he ever will.
Where did you heard that Danny Phantom was supposed to have 6 seasons. I heard that Danny Phantom was supposed to end with the final battle between Dark Danny and Danny.
What I heard was that Nickelodeon axed Danny Phantom because Butch was bad with money. He wanted Danny Phantom to be like the Adam West Batman TV series where celebrities would guest star and as a result he'd overspend on getting expensive voice talent. It makes for interesting fun facts like "Hey did you know, Lancer is played by Hell boy?" or "Jacob from twilight is Youngblood?" or "Kill Bill was Clockwork?" but I think that money could have been better spent. Then Butch promised he'd make back what he spent by making a deal with Burger king for a toy tie in line, which did make them money, but not as much as projected.
I always thought of it as ghosts can both be created naturally or from the death of a person. So with Nocturne , Undergrowth and Vortex I always thought of them as naturally born spirts who existed for so long they forgotten their humanity so that’s why they were seen as so powerful Edit : Also Operation Overdrive did this concept a lot better as the Rangers for this season were hired for the job , not chosen by a magical force or destined to be heroes. When they lost their powers , a set of veteran rangers took their place. Since the rangers have their own lives and careers they decided to let the veterans take over because for one as past rangers they’re re more than qualified for the position and there’s no reason to hang around the mansion. In Danny’s case the replacements are under Vlad’s payroll and he still had his powers , so him quitting and deliberately losing his powers is dumb as he’s handing the safety of the town to his nemesis
I never really watched season 3; it's basically forgettable, and Phantom Planet was a huge disappointment. I liked the show when I was a kid, The Ultimate Enemy was a great movie for how dark it was, even by the show's standards. Phantom Planet was horrible, and I turned off the tv before the ending. I never watched the final episode again after that. It's sad that the old writers who worked on the first 2 seasons were gone, and replaced by writers who probably didn't know anything about Danny Phantom. I seriously can't stand Sam; she never grew as a character and is still the hypocritical bitch who uses Danny to get what she wants since the first episode! The same goes for Tucker; who's still an annoying comic relief that also uses Danny for selfish reasons! They make Dash look like a nice guy in comparison!
Not only that, Butch Hartman states Sam to be a perfect girl for Danny and Danny is the perfect husband for Sam and says that Sam gotta end up together and everybody wants it. Meaning, deep down, Butch doesn't like Valerie because he tried to destroy him many times and Sam is the Creator's Pet and Sam has been his sidekick and had stayed by his side. The main problem with Butch is that Valerie has a proper relationship development with Danny than Sam. Not only that, Sam Manson's personality in the first episode is the same one in Phantom Planet.
Danny Phantom season 3 was badly written and Danny relationship with Sam was just as annoying as Mordecai relationship with Margaret many episodes of them pretending to secretly love each other even Mordecais friends had noticed it. It would be cool to see Dark Danny come back, Valerie was a great character with her Glider like Green Goblin is, Daniela is another Hybrid that i would wish to be in more episodes and I feel bad about Vlad that either he should leave to another planet or he should just die by the meteor because he a fugitive on earth.
I do believe that Butch is *EASILY* the biggest problem when it comes to S3 but I also noticed a couple others when thinking about it. I do agree with the airing of the episodes being weird. Like I only watched the first half of S1, Memory Blank, Reign Storm, & Ultimate Enemy via reruns on Nick until *YEARS* later despite having cable when S3 was originally airing. My biggest one is that there was *NO* balance, in multiple ways. 1. A lot of people have pointed out that they weren't really shown in school in S3 besides Forever Phantom & other than Claw of the Wild, we don't really see the other recurring kids that we'd normally see in the school episodes. I know they went on summer break in the S2 finale, but they mentioned/have the school in only 2-3 episodes & this also made having Claw of the Wild so late in S3 very jarring to me. They should moved that episode up to fit with how S2 ended then had more school episodes. 2. It felt like there was *WAY* too much Vlad in this season due to poor spacing. In S1&2, he's only major in 8 episodes, 2 of which are 2 parters (Bitter Reunions, Maternal Instinct & Million Dollar Ghost for S1; Reign Storm, Ultimate Enemy, Secret Weapons, Masters of All Time & Kindred Spirits for S2). He was in the same amount of episodes for both S2 & 3 but S2 had more episodes. This made his appearances more spaced out & less annoying IMO compared to S3. I understood why he was in so much of S3 bc he's techinally the main villain but Danny Phantom is known for having lots of recurring villains so having Vlad in most of the season made it drag a bit for me. 3. Butch needs to work on writing non male presenting characters better, (specifically Valerie & Sam for this show) Both Valerie & Sam 100% *DESERVED BETTER!* Both were in *WAY* too many pivotal episodes in S1&2, and for Valerie to just be in the last 2 episodes of S3 is criminal. If Butch didn't want Danny and Valerie to be endgame (which is still dumb btw), that's understandable but she was too importance to be cast aside the way she was. Her story arc deserved a resolution. As for Sam, I agree with everyone else's views on her. 4. I do agree that the specials should've been spaced out better. I think it would've made sense for them to do 1 special per season and had it end with either The Ultimate Enemy or Reality Trip
Nice to see another person bring up Ben 10: Omniverse's terrible retcon. In Ultimate Alien, one alien they fight, Inspector 13, has defensive mechanisms for many alien species, including Osmosians. He also calls Kevin a "hybrid Osmosian", meaning he's treating Osmosians as having their own DNA (or some form of genetic material). In OV, Osmosians are now instead human mutants with random abilities and Kevin's is just absorption. If that is the case, why did Inspector 13 have defensive mechanisms only for the absorbing type of Osmosians? Why did he think Osmosians had DNA/genetic material separate enough from humans to the point that he considered Kevin a hybrid rather than a mutant human? Answer: Because whoever wrote that retcon didn't take all of the lore into consideration that characters outside of their "false memory" narrative wouldn't fit that mold and would instead contradict it. They couldn't be bothered to explain what Aggregor (you know, that Osmosian warlord) actually was in the show and one of the creators said he was just a failed clone of Kevin. Like other things in Omniverse, they wanted badly to replicate the success of the original series by returning story elements back to how they were (Kevin being a mutant, Ben marrying Kai in the future, etc.) without considering how much it would trample the logic of the overall franchise. At this point, I'm surprised they didn't retcon Anodites out of the picture so that Gwen have magic going for her instead of having alien ancestry like Kevin guessed about her and the Plumbers' Helpers.
Omniverse's writers were so concerned with "We gotta fix things back to the original" that they didn't take into account people had basically accepted "Oh ok so Kevin's an alien. Oh Gwen's been an alien too all along?" by that point.
@@voicedubgaming2286 I mean to be fair Alien Force just retconned stuff too, there's a certain hypocrisy in saying Omniverse is bad for putting the characters back to how they were before another retcon
Well, a new comic “A Glitch in Time” is being released in 2023, being a continuation and seeing the return of Dark Danny and Vlad. The best part is the author isn’t Butch Hartman. So there’s hope. Butch probably just signed for the author to have permission to create the comic and that was it.
I hope Danny Phantom: A Glitch in Time could fix some of the complaints about Season 3. For example, have Danny and Sam getting on a date with each other and have Danny tells Sam that he has moved on from his relationship with Valerie or have Tucker removed from his position as mayor of Amity Park because he is too young for the job and he has a power-hungry side in him and would be willing to betray his friends. Since Valerie will return in the graphic novel, I would like to see what is her reaction to Danny Fenton being Danny Phantom.
If Dark Danny is going to be the main villain for the series finale, how will Danny defeat Dark Danny. How will Danny increase his powers in order to defeat Dan Phantom. Also, does anyone have any idea on how Danny will defeat Dark Danny.
After hearing the news about Butch having tendencies to play favorites with his characters and putting sexist notions into his work; looking back on this season, those factors seem clear as day. For example, Danny is consistently treated as an incapable moron while the females (Jazz, Sam and Valerie) are depicted as the "smarter and more skillful heroes." Have a look at Sam's attitude in Phantom Planet and you'll see what I mean
@@nintendope2976 That's true...but the complaints I spoke of were widely seen in almost every cartoon Hartman made. In both Odd Parents AND Danny Phantom, for example; women were depicted as more capable (if not smarter) than the men on a reprehensibly repeated basis
It's probably best that Danny Phantom ended at season 3. For all it's problems, I still found season 3 to be enjoyable. Had Nickelodeon for some reason decided to continue the series and give it season 4 of more, it probably would have fallen from grace. Could we have gotten a much better season? Of course, but being fair to Butch, he did an decent job. I found the new villains to be entertaining and at least interesting in design. While Vlad's goals of world conquering definitely came out of nowhere, I didn't take much of a issue with it because Vlad always had stupid or ambiguous goals, so at least world domination was something reasonable for a villain. My main issues with season 3 lie with it rarely taking itself seriously. The episode with Valerie and Danielle was easily the best of season because of the change of tone, but the fact that we never saw the Vlad and Valerie conflict get resolved is still one of the biggest issues with this season.
Season 3 already fell from grace and luster when Steve Marmel left. Regardless of Butch's work on the show, it doesn’t change the fact that he clearly has time to finish the plot-lines that needed to be done, only to squander the potential anyway by focusing on something that satisfies only him. Take out all the things that Butch considers as unnecessary and look at the result: an aimless show without any stakes and plot to save it from its misery. If you still think Butch is a decent guy you still look up to, then it his fault for wasting 2 million dollars on a 44-minute episode that could’ve been way cheaper than that and followed up with a few more seasons before reaching a desired final battle between Danny and his evil alternate self and whatever deal Vlad has with Fright Knight along with the two artifacts in his hand. The only hope left is to linger on fallen memories of a cult classic and wait for some DP-related graphic novel by some different author to release to the public, but who cares? It’ll just be delayed to 2023/2024 or the author of the book will die from COVID anyway for all that I can care. Besides, whether Steve or Hartman have input on the book or not, rest assured that it will not live up to people’s expectations regardless if it’s a reboot of the show, set after “Phantom Planet”, starting from “Eye to Eye” and ignoring most of Season 3 besides “De-stabilized” and episodes involving Danny's ice powers, or takes place in a alternate timeline Dark Danny's probably gonna screw over.
@BlankBlares No idea. Butch just announced a graphic novel written and illustrated by Gabriela Epstein and published by Abrams Books on his Twitter account. The title and synopsis of the novel is unknown. All that is known is that it will release sometime in the Spring, though I doubt it would happen considering COVID.
More like Danny Phantom would have fallen from grace if the show continued for more seasons but with the same writing team of Season 3 of this series and/or the later seasons of Fairly OddParents (especially 9 & 10). Fans already know that Danny Phantom derailed in quality the moment Steve Marmel left the show and Butch Hartman took full control of the writing decisions and hired writers who do not have any knowledge of the series' source material.
@@renejustinnillo3087 Like I said, Danny Phantom doesn’t need to end, but it doesn’t need to be screwed over by Hartman’s constant carelessness everytime one of his shows strikes gold. If Hartman were a reasonable and pragmatic person instead of that over-religious egoist who scams out of people for hundreds of dollars today, then he wouldn’t have gone over-budget with the Ultimate Enemy, thus giving the show more budget to make more seasons, saving the show from having their budget cut by Nickelodeon, and allowing Steve Marmel and the original writing team to continue writing for the show.
Oh, yeaaaaaah, the “ghosts were not dead people really” was the worst part. Well, seasons 1 and 2 were not really logical too, but at least they had some chemistry between characters (like Vlad and Danny’s twisted father/son relationship, that we could see in Bitter Reunions, Maternal Instinct, Ultimate Enemy and even in Reign Storm that if they kept developing it much more forcefully, like in a lot of fanfiction (shock, really, but some works are waaaaaaay better than the actual show), concentrating on Vlad and Danny’s bond as the only half ghosts in the whole world and developing it to one of real compassion and indecisiveness that would really add a lot of qualitative drama to the show and development for both Danny and Vlad) (or, as you said, Danny and Valery). That would have been what I would really love to see. And Sam and Tucker… yeah, they are both bad friends in a lot of situations, like, I don’t really believe in Danny, Sam and Tucker’s friendship. Jazz has more development than they do, though there really was a good large base to do everything greatly. Just Vlad’s initial story and his potential father/son bond with Danny had all my attention, Tucker and Sam and Danny could go though realistic road of maturing and growing as people, correcting their selfish behavior, learning to appreciate one another not as some profit, but real people, starting to be more mature and understanding, but with remaining strong character, and at last the theme of half-dead boy itself in early 2000s was a real blast that could make now with good writers the hit show! So, Danny Phantom, I love you, but unfortunately for not what you are, but for what you could have been😔
Gonna be honest tho I wouldn’t want a reboot of Danny phantom mainly because as much as I love it and fairly odd parents the more recent seasons of fairly odd parents and later works just frustrate me that’s the best way I can say it the show would feel lack luster
well danny has went through worse and is a bit out of character but danny is a kid and i guess he was overwhelmed with this slightly dumb but unreasonable desicision and danny is a good guy so you know he doing it for his folks. sam is diabolical and danny knows vlad is up to something that the only nitpick i can think from that.
Gald to see I’m not alone feeling like Dan phantom should of come back I adored the first two seasons of Danny phantom for years I felt like it ended wrong knowing it was suppose to end differently makes me sad if only we coulda had that time line also I wanna point out that vald did test the astroid at the start of phantom plant or at least a smaller peice he knew ghost couldn’t touch it it was his and Danny’s fight near Saturn during that test that knocked the astroid free that point is largely ignored in the episode tho anyway great video!
I felt this season was underwhelming. To me, season 1 was great, season 2 was the peak of the show, and season 3 was OK. I didn't find it as bad as FOP was getting at the time after season 4, though FOP had its times where it started to get better again until it finally just tunneled in a downward spiral til the end (probably around season 7). It had some cool concepts, characters, and episodes that I enjoyed, but with it being the final season, I agree that it could have been better. I would've loved to see the show go in a darker direction in the last season, though I also would've been cool with them continuing the style of storytelling that was in season 2 and tying up subplots from the previous 2 seasons. And yes, if there's a revival, you most certainly do not want Butch taking charge of it. Just look at the Fairly OddParents live action revival Fairly Odder which he's involved with. It's atrocious!
Damn hearing how Danny phantom lost a lot of money and butch working on oaxis makes me think butch is awful with money. I'm honestly surprised still wants to do business with butch.
Butch went on to complain about this one time he was tasked with storyboarding one episode of Johnny Bravo, where he couldn't make the character be upstairs in his house because there is no upstairs. His complaint is that (I'm paraphrasing here) "rules strife creativity, thus cartoons should have no rules." And that's why he keeps retconning character motivations, backstories, and even the setting itself. He just doesn't care for continuity, as long as he can make his brain farts animate on screen!
Isn't that expression used when someone is telling their side of a story and it sounds like they're smearing the truth to make the other side look bad? Like they're "salty" about it?
@@YowLife I mean most ARE salty about it because Butch took what was a great series with a good setup and well done character development and said ‘fuck it’ rather than listen to what the fans wanted and liked about the show. For two seasons we go into the series with this plot setup and interesting stories and he just decided to throw everything away, constantly contradict what was stated in previous episodes, left most of what made the series good behind for no reason, so yes. Take what he says with a grain of salt cause it’s clear he doesn’t know his own content which isn’t even 100% his given people liked the show more when he wasn’t 100% involved.
Amazing video! Yeah, Season 3 was not nearly as good as Seasons 1 and 2. I kind of wish Danny Phantom was an adult cartoon. That or just allow it to go darker...even if it's just as dark as Avatar: The Last Airbender or The Legend of Korra. Just something else than what we got in Season 3 because I couldn't STAND how childish it was. But thank goodness for animation like BoJack Horseman and The Owl House that aren't afraid to go a little darker if they need to. Also, yeah, if Danny Phantom ever comes back, please let Steve Marmel be in charge of it.
Emperor Aquagem, I have a suggestion for you. Can you make a video about what are your thoughts on the Season 3 episodes of Danny Phantom. For example, in the episode, Eye For An Eye, you mention that Danny pull a bunch of pranks on Vlad because I have no idea. Also, you mentioned that Danny should be a lot more cautious and not to try to f**k up with Vlad, like what happened to Kindered Spirits, where Vlad attemps to murder for letting his Danny clone to die.
I still believe the bad future from Ultimate Enemy would still happen with Sam switching bodies with Danny Goku Black-style to have him all for herself. Oh well, you know what they say, “Dead man tell no tales.” We’ll never forget your sacrifices, Mr. Marmel and Mr. Hartman.
@BlankBlares If there were to be an explanation for declining quality of Season 3 in-universe, then I’d probably say that it looks like Desiree got the last laugh when Sam wished for Danny Phantom to come back.
@BlankBlares She’d probably solve all of the world’s problems, but doing a half-assed job in it because for all of her preaching and lectures, she actually doesn’t know how severe these world problems would be. If Hartman wrote her, she would be called a hero and have the higher moral ground while the problems she tried to solve become worse than before, and the only downside for her is doing Danny’s job of fighting ghosts. If Steve wrote her, the extent of these problems she’s trying to solve comes back to bite Sam by being called enemy number one, and she begins to have Danny’s ghost problems blown up at her face. As she is faced with the troubling life of being a superhero, Sam begins to double down and slowly becomes more cynical. He’d probably make a two-parter episode for her considering his talents.
Not saying your wrong but by comparsion to Fairly OddParents, Danny Phantom had a legit ending and at least 70% of plots resolved in comparison to FOP that just ended with an episode where Timmy's parents become rich snobs and look their noses down on Chloe and her familiy and that was it. No Timmy Growing up , no Cosmo and Wanda saying goodbye , Timmy's future wife revealed etc and FOP had many chances to end with Abra , Channel , Wishology and even its first live action film Grow Up . Danny Phantom on the other hand could be viewed as a Lesser of Two Bad seasonal rots and was giving a mercy kill . Could you imagine if DP gave us a talking animals sidekick akin to Scrappy Doo , Sparky or Snarf ?
I dont mind sam so much, there are people with flaws and no one is perfect. If she were a real person I know I could get along with her as a freind. In all honesty if Danny was a real perosn and the serise did not exist, he would still be the kid with no fans and only have a couple of true friends which would be Sam and Tucker. I know from experience what it is to be the invisible kid with hardly any freinds and being bullied.
There's nothing wrong with a person having flaws...but when said flaws get in the way of meaningful bonds or relationships, they can be annoying. Plus, most people try to improve themselves from those flaws; even if it's just a little bit
Why is everyone convinced that why Vlad never wanted to take over the world. Why do you think he was trying to steal Pariah Dark's crown and ring? For what other purpose could he have stolen Jack's ecto-skeleton. The way I see it, Vlad's ultimate ambition was to become as powerful as can be, something he was already trying to do from the very beginning. When the Disasteroid was coming, he saw the perfect opportunity to gain more power than he ever could before. But, no, everyone is so taken aback by his performance in Kindred Spirits, that they don't understand this.
I want to see Vlad wearing the Crown of Fire and the Ring of Rage in Steve Marmel's Danny Phantom Season 3 and Fright Knight might start working for Vlad in Season 3.
Isnt it ironic that Sam scolds Danny useing his ghost powers on bullies while Grey's other voice actor Mandy supoorted Jr uses his powers on Sperg . The irony is that Mandy is much more villainous and cruel then Sam
I don’t hate season 3 but they definitely could have made it better. Like the only Plot the got resolved was “Wolf” “Claw of the wild” isn’t a bad episode in my opinion but it’s kinda inconsistent Because of the fact this is the 3rd Summer in the shows so logically Everyone Should Be Older. But I know it’s cartoon so whatever but with the Consistency of Season 1 One & 2 we’re with the plot lines (minus the multiple summer as I mentioned) you would think they would pay attention to details like that.
Hey aqua , if you want Danny phantom to come back , why don’t you make a video about pleading to Nickelodeon about how good it is to bring it back today for new episodes and it benefits them in the end for all of us
nickelodeon didn't promote season 3 that well, they wanted to hurry up and get the show to end by having a week of new episodes airing on the weekdays and never properly advertised what time the episodes would air do to Cyma Zarghami becoming president of nickelodeon while season 3 was in production and the retcon of the ghosts was obviously because of butch's religion, also, nickelodeon demanded that danny and sam end up with each other and both nickelodeon and butch's religious beliefs are against interracial couples and that's probably why steve marmel got fired because he wanted danny to end up with valerie
If Steve Marmel wasn't fired, the Season 3 would've been a great season and that means we could have the season 4 which the show would've ended the best way
Honestly I love Danny Phantom it's my favorite teenage superhero show and I also love season 3 besides the lack of valerie, living large, and phantom planet not feeling like a finale I love the season 3 episode very much I just wish that this show could have had a season 4 because it had alot more potential. Plus looking back on it some of my favorite episodes come from season 3 like urban jungle, forever phantom, torrent of terror, frightmare, and boxed up fury
If there is a Season 4 of Danny Phantom, I imagine that season would feature Danny introducing Danielle Fenton to his parents and telling them of her origins. Also, Jack and Maddie would have adopted Danielle and be part of the Fenton Family.
Here is an idea: Since you mention that Danny and Sam would not make a good couple, I would like to see Danny and Sam getting a divorce while Sam takes Misty Fenton and Danny takes Jackson Fenton.
Frostbite is my favorite character, the truth is that with the characters in the Danny series I connected the most with him, and I fear what could happen to him in the AGIT sequel, since many times, characters that one If anything, something very bad usually happens to them, and I'm afraid that something bad will happen to Frostbite.
@BlankBlares I'm baaack~ Just like I said i would be. After mulling it over for a few days i think i got it. Let's start with the few things season 3 got right. Norctune and d-stabilized, that's it. Just for his voice and design alone Norctune should be kept In. I would start season three off with an episode about Vlad. Here he would use the skeleton key to travel to clockwork's keep. Vlad learns about the alternate timeline and the birth of dark Danny. The episode would end with Vlad flying off cackling to himself. With this we could tie up some loose ends. Like Vlad wanting Danny to join him. He never could get him to give up and give in. But after learning about the events of ultimate enemy he knows what could make Danny give up. So he would split Danny and his friends up. We could have an episode where Vlad shows up professing some evil scheme he then suppresses Danny's powers for an extended period of time. One of the interesting things phantom planet implies is that tucker and sam live vicariously through Danny. And so in this episode Danny would actually enjoy being human again albeit temporarily. Enjoying being human again without losing half of his personality or turning evil. Of course Danny's friends are seemingly more frustrated with the situation than he is. They would argue of course. In the end Danny's powers would return and Vlad's 'scheme' foiled. Although Danny would not forget his friends reaction to him being human again. One of the things that built upon and dropped in season one was Jazz's relationship with her parents. It was well known to me at least that Jasmine had been a better parent to Danny then his actual parents. We could have Vlad orchestrate a falling out between Jazz and her parents. This would lead to her moving away. In another episode we could have Vlad pit undergrowth against our heroes. With clear instructions to seduce Sam to the dark side. This could be revealed to Danny at the end of the episode. Causing their friendship to end. Jazz moved away, Sam turned evil, all that's left is Tucker. Speaking of Tucker, he starts getting jealous of Danny again. Vlad sends ghosts after Danny.Ghosts that force him to use all of his powers. After he defeats them the townspeople praise him. Valerie shows up and hunts Danny, which gets him thinking. Tucker steals some Fenton tech and goes to technics. Rigging the stolen tech so that it would bond with him when shot by ectoplasm. Of course Danny and Tucker get into an argument about it and Danny says something awful to Tucker. After that Tucker's ghost half shows up and he goes off to fight it dying in the process. At school Danny's grades begin declining. His parents of course get on him about this and tell him to get his grades up. Danny gets angry at them and storms off. The next day at school Danny winds up opening up to Lancer about some of his personal problems. Vlad tricks Lancer into injesting nanobots that he can self-destruct on demand.Some time passes and Danny decides to reveal his secret to Lancer. Vlad detonates the nanobots making it seem like Lancer died of shock. Vlad gives Skulker a new idea for hunting Danny. Skulker kidnaps Danny's parents and holds them hostage. Danny goes off to face him and beats him. But is unable to save his parents. The events of D-stabilized more or less take place. With some slight changes. Vlad at the end would say that he really had planned on helping Danielle. He pretends to be pretty banged up and says he would take time to recover. Danielle would also decide to stay in amity park after learning about what happened. Vlad in secret enlists the help of some ghost and sends them after Valerie and Danielle. The ghosts are defeated by our heroines and they are left puzzled. Valerie runs into manny times in which Danny precedes to attack her. Eventually she gets the upper hand and holds him at gunpoint. Danny then begs her to shoot him which she refuses to do. He winds up telling her about his recent string of bad luck. Leaving some details out of course. I would choose to have the next few episodes focus on Danny and Valerie. Here we could do such episodes to build their relationship up. Like some of season 3 episodes but Valerie is there kicking ass. Vlad is trying to kill her and Danielle of course. Valerie discovers Danny's secret and the two of them get into a argument. After a period of not talking Danny goes to Vlad. Clockwork appears before Danielle and Valerie while the two were chatting. He tells them about the events in ultimate enemy and that dark Danny disappeared from the clocktower. Which means he exist inside of time again, Danny becomes dark Danny. Valerie and Danielle rush to Vlad's mansion , but they're to late. Valerie manages to save human Danny before Dan kills him. After retrieving weapons from Fenton works and getting into another argument with Valerie Danny goes to fight Dan. He manages to separate Dan and Vlad. Both humans recombine with their ghost halves and have one last fight. The series would with Vlad defeated and Danny and Valerie moving forward with their future. How would you write season three?
I definitely get why some prefer Valerie and Danny, but as someone who loves the childhood-friends-to-lovers trope, I really wish Sam and Danny’s relationship was handled better. I would’ve much rather preferred a slowburn where they slowly fall for one another and find comfort in each other while fighting ghosts. It would’ve been interesting to see Sam realize her feelings first (during Valerie and Danny’s relationship) and Danny later on realizing that he’d been crushing on Sam too. Instead, their feelings for each other are basically made clear on _Fanning the Flames_ and their relationship stays stuck in that dynamic until the very end.
Only thing that was a disappointment was that Bunsen is a Beast junk. It was like Butch Hartman threw it together at the last minute. Danny phantom was tight.👍🏾
I really liked Overgrowth and Nocturn. They should have done more with these characters. Also the Ice Beam ability was really good. Wish we would have seen it way more. But I agree season 3 was a little bit inconsistent indeed. Vlad was a weird case yeah. They really changed his character. And yeah the season finale was a huge disappointment. It was really boring man…
Fun fact, season 4 turned out to be the last season because the budget had been moved to another show, avatar. So we lost a good show for one of the goats, a worthy trade
@BlankBlares I hate it for three reasons: A. As A Danny x Ember fanboy I'm naturally going to hate it. B. From A storyline point-of-view it doesn't make any sense. C. Overall it's just stupid.
@BlankBlares Danny Phantom:Hero of the Ghost Zone. Danny Phantom: Phantom for the Throne. And there was A third one I can't remember the name of it right now. But yeah. While fanfics may not be perfect They still give you A more "Realistic" way for these characters to hook up.
@@savagedarksider5934 not to mention that it’s entirely unnecessary and out of left field: we never once had a scene between ember and skulker, every time we saw them together they were with Danny’s other enemies and that was like 2 times (3 if you include their future selves) so having them as an underdeveloped couple is so pointless if they don’t even fight together against their common foe
At Least Sam would be a better girlfriend then Cindy Vortex from Jimmy Neutron who acts way too much like a bully and is even phyically assults Jimmy but what cement it for a lot is that she was willinly to Sell JImmy out to the cops when he was framed something that Sam would never do
Every time Butch Hartmann claims that the ghosts were monsters from another dimension from the start his nose grows. Above all, I think they could have brought both under one roof. Let's just say that in the spirit world there is an in-between world. Most people in the spirit world are the souls of the dead and in the in-between world there are monster ghosts that co-exist with the others but cause trouble every now and then. That would have kept the potential open for another season and explained everything clearly and plausibly.
Yeah he should have said some ghost are the disembodied spirits of dead people an animals while some were always otherworldly beings from the ghost zone with no connection to world of the living
I hate to say this but DP Died when Steve Marmel left he had so many ideas for the final Season only if Butch didnt spend all the $ on trying to sell merchandise For The Ultimate Enemy than the show would have never lost all the $ 😢
There is a complaint about Tucker being the mayor of Amity Park. In the first two seasons of Danny Phantom, it is shown that when Tucker gets hold of power, he gets corrupted easily and is willing to betray his friends.
And this Season didn't help much either to deveplomemt
Yes that is true my version of season three would count on that. My problem with Tucker being mayor is that they never once showed him being interested in mayoral position.
@BlankBlares what happened to the old mayor anyway??
@@MrsJoker-fo9ls Butch didn’t wanted to add him in, so he gave Tucker a rather cheap reward for being in the third wheel while Danny and Sam have verbal sex with each other.
It seems very "Butch" to make a kid mayor, though I do agree it's dumb. It's something I'd expect to see more in an episode of FOP, not Danny Phantom which takes itself a little more seriously.
Season 4
Danny wakes up after a ghost parasyte is extracted from his head.
It turns out the previous season was all a dream.
And it turns out Nocturn uses said parasites (not the helmets).
I would personally hate 😠 the idea, the dream idea is overused. Never meeting danni many fans would not like, to never have the ghost powers WOULD be a nightmare 😨. the idea is already a fail. I would give some take some episodes for season 3. The "official " Final episode never happens.
@@tarayekardowin4506 what about Alice ?
@@tarayekardowin4506 it's. A. Joke
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Danny Phantom Season 3 Potential: Have Dan come back
Butch Hartman: No! That's too dark!
Danny Phantom Season 3 Reality: Has an episode where Vlad kidnaps a small child who he pretended to love as a daughter last season and LITERALLY ALMOST MURDERS her while enjoying it as said small child screams in fear and pain
Butch Hartman: This is fine
He didn't kidnap a child, she was a failed clone from Danny's DNA
@Delilah Torres Danielle Phantom.
@@lelnel6242 Well he did kidnap her after she ran away. She eventually ran away from him in the ep where he was pretending to treat her as a daughter, and was living in the streets, then he kidnapped her to experiment on her/melt her down to collect her DNA.
Team Phantom-Sam, Tucker and Jazz, did poor Danny wrong. The one time Danny needed moral support and guidance, they made Danny a jerk because A) he selflessly sacrificed his ghost powers to save his parents from getting arrested and B) when he was having a run of bad luck with the Masters Blasters, as well as contemplating about having a normal life, his so-called friends and sister dismissed him as selfish and stupid while implying that they prefer “Danny Phantom” over regular “Danny Fenton.”
The retcons are also horribly offensive to suicidal/bullied people considering the backstories of Poindexter and Ember involve killing themselves via bullying.
And considering Butch's views on suicide and how he jokes about Mary Kay Bergman death as he blames it on Tara Strong... Does this comes across surprising?
and Dexter was treated like a friggin' joke on the show
Chill out, it’s not offensive to whatever you said. The worst that retcon can go is that it invalidates their humanity in their backstories.
Butch is such a contradiction. He wants to be child friendly but yet openly makes fun of suicide. A very disrespectful and immature man. May he find peace one day because it sure seems like he's an angry whiner.
Offensive how?
Here are 3 things that made Vlad stupid in Phantom Planet:
1. Vlad revealing his secret identity to the world is dumb.
2. Planning to rule the world and getting 500 billion dollars is dumb because Vlad is already super rich.
3. Vlad didn't get sample of the disasteroid run some test first.
Now what we thought of Phantom Planet: a stupid Vlad, an even stupider Danny, a forced canon shipping and wonked up ending.
@BlankBlares Also he forced the people of amity park to give their cash to the master blasters, and therefore Vlad whenever Ghosts were defeated.
a forced ship?
@@geenhaaien they meant Danny and Sam being an offical couple
@@Aiyenolobia Yes, that one.
To be fair on that third point, even for Vlad, I'm not sure how easy it would be to get a sample of the asteroid, and it being conveniently made out of a never before mentioned material that just so happens to nullify ghosts is an egregious asspull.
I agree with the second point. Vlad demanding money just seems obligatory. Plus, if he rules the world, he doesn't even need money anymore. It's really bad writing, but ultimately doesn't actually harm the story in any meaningful way.
The first point though. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Vlad revealing his identity with total confidence that his plan is completely and utterly foolproof, and that it wouldn't come back to bite him even if it _did_ succeed, is one of the single most blatantly idiotic things I have ever seen any villain do ever, and is a much more damning flaw since it's such a critical part of the story.
The show peaked after the “Ultimate Enemy” . It was all down hill from there. If ultimate enemy was the finale, the show would’ve been more highly regarded
The way Phantom Planet was written makes Ultimate Enemy look like the series finale of Gravity Falls by comparison.
The episodes after The Ultimate Enemy are for sure hit or miss for me. I liked Reality Trip as the finale & it made sense in terms of timeline but I agree
Tbh Ultimate Enemy is already a really dumb episode. It never goes into why cheating on a test causes Danny's parents to explode. Is it because they went to Nasty Burger afterwards to celebrate? If so, then that has nothing to do with the cheating, the lession would be "don't so well in school and never visit fast food places with your family, or else they may die."
Also why and how the fuck did two dead ghosts have a baby together and HOW did evil Danny put a ghost in a wheelchair??
Yea the whole "ghost are monsters from another dimension" is such bullshit and angers me, there being different types of ghost would make much sense
That's the only thing that makes sense, you have ghost like ember who were clearly alive at one point and you have ghost like skulker and bertrand who are just green blobs
It only works in Casper due to having many incarnations and versions 1995 film is clear ghosts are dead humans but in Scare School are monsters
Yeah, it seems to be like ghostbusters where there are ghosts and various different spirits and ecto entities too.
Yeah, I found it really weird that we had actual, human ghosts (ember, lunch lady, the bullied kid, kitty and Johnny 13) and vlads ghost animals whose skins are on vlads wall, but then there are other ghosts (skulker, the dragons, overgrowth, frostbite) that just... Exist??? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to say something along the lines of "some were people, some got corrupted as ghosts (like the animals being mutated ghosts) and some are deities who were there to keep the zone in check since the beginning (clockwork, Pandora, the observers)"
The whole "its another dimension" is a lame excuse, because if it really was, they could've done something similar to stranger things, where they're mostly unknown and don't interact a lot with the flip-side world (earth)
@get butthurt • 666 years ago ok firstly please don't bring sin and religion into a children's cartoon. I'm semi-religious but you really could've ended that on the first sentence without a paragraph on why I'm a "stupid sinner", especially since the concept of sin hasn't been proven to be real.
Secondly, I never said humans aren't animals, I'm saying that some animal ghosts were mutated, same as some human ghosts (J 13 and his shadow, the warden, etc) and they could've played it as a corruption arc. The rule of the ghost zone was that you became who you wanted to be when you died (ember became the rock star she dreamed of becoming when she died). J 13 saw himself as unlucky, so he became 13 and the unlucky shadow (he mutated) and the ghosts of the animals probably saw themselves as the trophies worth hunting that vlad made them out to be. Instead of the whole "other dimension" thing the creators pulled, they could've said some became what they wanted, some got corrupted or became what others saw them as, some could be ghosts of concepts/new deities (like overgrowth & tornado), and some could be keepers of the ghost zone
The one thing that immediately pops into my mind when ever I think about season 3 is that one scene where Danny saves and carries a bus full of kids! I seriously don’t remember him carrying enormous and heavy objects from the previous seasons! Did he?
It was one of Danny's ghost powers that anything he grabs with his hands becomes as weightless as he is when he flies. That's why all he needs to do to carry people is to loosely grab by the arm. He's carried lots of extremely heavy things before. Granted a full bus was probably the biggest one but maybe that shows how he's improved.
@@MadameTamma Danny has lifted heavy things before like in parental bonding he lifted and threw a large dragon a few miles away and in mystery meat he was able to casually knock down the meat monster with barely any difficulty
@@MadameTamma ohhh now I fianally understand how that physically works 💀
I do remember that he saved everyone aboard Youngblood’s ship by having them all hold on to him
@@MadameTamma What ghost power is that exactly?
another reason was the episode "Girls Night Out" which perpetuates this toxic narrative that "feminists are man haters" (many viewers would interpret that) but the 3 antagonists (Ember Kitty and Spectra) got rid of all the men and brainwashed all of the women (minus Sam Manson and Jazz and Maddie Fenton) because they were having issues with their own boyfriends (Skulker Johnny 13 and Bertrand) it has nothing to do with feminism!
Where is Desiree in this episode. Shouldn't Desiree be in this episode because he is a female ghost. Second, why is Valerie not with Sam, Jazz and Maddie. The reason why Valerie Gray should be in Girls Night Out was because Valerie is a ghost hunter, like Maddie, and she should in that episode.
@@michaelsarmiento3362 the wiki even state that
Grow up. Not everything is sociopolitical commentary about the real world.
@@samlerf I didn't say that it should be
I think Vortex, Nocturn, and Overgrowth were interesting concepts that suffered poor execution. I think ghost like Pharia Dark, Clockwork, and the others listed above can work as either "general inhabitants" or "super ancient and a little crazy because of it".
Honestly, I found myself agreeing with overgrowth up until the mind control/feed people to plants part. He was super interesting as a villain, and the poor execution ruined it. Not to mention, the conflict could've been solved with "how about we make a nature reserve for you"
Sort of like the sinners and imps in Hazbin hotel and helluva boss. The imps being native inhabitants of hell along with people like Charlie and Stolas and his family and sinners like Vaggie, imps clients and the Hazbin gang being former humans who died and went to hell
I think it’s “Undergrowth.”
I think he’s called Undergrowth. And I think that it should’ve tied to Sam’s preference with vegetation and maybe it could be a gardener who was suddenly buried with nothing but thorns.
I think the fact you couldn’t remember Undergrowth’s name speaks to how boring and unmemorable these villains are.
You know what is more interesting than Sam and Danny ending up together and becoming a forced couple without having any development, Danielle Phantom. The reason Danielle Phantom is an more interesting character than Sam was because it could lead to more stories and development for her as well as giving Danny as a role as big brother and mentor. Also, it was mentioned that Sam and Tucker are tired of being sidekicks to Danny. I believe that Danielle could take the role of the sidekick for Danny. Here is what I saw:
Dani Phantom is the biggest example of the show's wasted potential. I never understood why people didn't like her, I never found her annoying, I thought she was cool. I liked seeing Danny act very mature and responsible as well as actually treat her nicely. In other words, he was acting like a big brother. Part of the whole "letting his parents know" thing I mentioned could have stabilized her. Remember those plans I mentioned? It's rumored that Danielle would have been adopted by Danny's parents. If this is true, it could mean Steve would have let Jack and Maddie learn Danny's secret for good. I would have liked this, because I like seeing Danny act like a big brother and not hesitate to save Danielle. I think him becoming a big brother would have made him a more interesting character. Really, Danielle got the shaft, she was left to live on the streets and don't tell Danny didn't introduce her to his parents because he respected her and she didn't need to be under his wing. If he did care, he wouldn't have left her on the streets. She could have met his family and actually develop a connection with each of them, especially Jack since she could have had a better father than Vlad. She needs a family, she needs a home and I seriously doubt she found that off screen given she's half ghost and knows so little about the outside world. She could have become a much better sidekick than Sam or Tucker so that Danny doesn't need to save them when their a target of a ghost, she could have developed more as a character and we could have seen Danny develop even more in his maturity and responsibility. AND this is part of the other problem I mention about too much focus on Sam and Danny's mutual interest... the show stopped developing characters and stop being interested in trying to expand on them or the stories they brought up, more on that later when we talk about the finale. For Danielle, they could have focused on her being a clone, the standard "Am I a real person" kind of thing, he developing a connection with the rest of the Fentons, her wanting to live up to someone worthy of working with Danny and so forth. I honestly find their brother-and-sister type of relationship much more interesting than whether or not he and Sam ever get together. Him being Danielle's big brother made him a much more interesting character than Sam's boyfriend. It's ironic to me there's a 12 year old girl who had potential for much more interesting stories and development as opposed to the relationship and the character the third season focused on for Danny.
The only thing that is good about Danny Phantom Season 3 is Danny gaining ice powers.
What about the villains like Undergrowth, Nocturne, Vortex etc, they seemed interesting
And Danielle
The Danielle episode for season 3 was actually good and the ice powers were pretty cool but I honestly hated phantom planet I just rewatched it’s yesterday with my little bro and finished the whole series again and I have to admit phantom planet is worse than I remember and I honestly got pissed when I saw vlad die the most bs way and my bro got pissed aswell and was just laughing as it was the most dumb way to have a villain get killed
I thought Frostbite was a good ally ghost to add into the show. He only really had two appearances though, not enough time for him to be involved with the story much. I also would've liked to see more Clockwork in season 3 and the return of Dark Dan. Dark Dan was Danny's most formidable enemy in the entire show. It appears like he's Danny's own shadow from an alternate future gone wrong, which goes along with the theme "you are your own worst enemy", and Dark Dan is a perfect representation of that and the dark side/shadow of Danny himself.
@@evan8168Here is another idea: Since there was a deal between Fright Knight and Vlad that was never revealed, I believe that if Steve Marmel stayed for Season 3, Fright Knight might start working for Vlad and we might see Vlad wearing the Crown of Fire and the Ring of Rage.
Nickelodeon is to blame because Steve Marmel was fired just because he wanted to make the show darker and edger for Season 3
Butch Hartman is also to blame because him going overbudget during Season 2, especially the Dark Danny episode, led to the show getting cancelled after three seasons.
I HATED how they played out Sam and Danny's relationship in S3. They kept playing the "will they, won't they" trope. We all knew they were going to end up together, they hinted at this so many times, it became annoying. The reason people like the Danny x Valarie ship is because we actually GOT to see them dating, we got to see their dynamic even if it was generic. It's still something but we don't know how Danny and Sam are going to behave as an official couple. Will they continue to act as friends, will they act like a generic couple? We don't know. And honestly it damn annoying!
Again, why are they a ship so loved?
@BlankBlares there are so many episodes that are proof of why they SHOULDN'T be a couple that i'm still impresed (read disgusted) that there are still people shipping it.
When reading fanfics, i put filters so that the ship doesn't show.
I even accidentally created a debate in the comment section of a danny phantom video for crying out loud (i mean the user said "change my mind" and i said challenge accepted.
@BlankBlares he doesn’t like butch no more I saw Menzies talking to other RUclipsrs about the dislike towards butch in another video and in my opinion People are right about Danny and Sam being a terrific couple and there’s very very few Danny and Sam shippers that like butch Hartman and please delete the formally Menzies comment since he doesn’t like butch no more
I hadn't watch the show for years nor S3
But may i know why the ship is toxic? Not trying to change people's mind but i wanna know because am confused
@@MrsJoker-fo9ls I'm not sure about the toxic side, maybe be Sam is a bit of a Hippocrate when it comes to her character, but overall it's just that I find this ship to be boring and genetic, there's nothing too wrong with it, it's just that it wasn't well written.
One reason why Vlad went from an intelligent and manipulative villain to a generic villain who wanted to over the world was because of psychosis. Think about it, the main cause for Vlad going on a state of psychosis would be losing Maddie, Danny always rejecting him, losing to Jack, and the prime clone being destroyed. Because of this, he had lost it and no longer wanted Danny as a son. Instead, he chose to antagonize Danny and sees him as a rival.
Tbh while that’s a good explanation on paper, the show has been so sloppily written by this point that I honestly don’t believe for a second that that was the intention behind this change. They just had no idea what to do with Vlad’s character by this point so they just turned him into a mustache-twirling villain of the week instead of someone with great power, experience and influence over someone green like Danny.
How is this a good explanation? Slapping a psychotic label without knowing what it means onto an inconsistent character and pretending the real life disorder has anything to do with morality and just magically makes people act "evil" and want to hurt people just because is the oldest lazy writing trick in the book. Not to mention ableist.
If Danny Phantom was to ever come back through reboot or continuation, I highly doubt that Nick will bring Butch back from how low he brought himself in current years.
EDIT - I stand corrected with him working on some new Fairly Odd Parents whatever, God damnit Butch.
I'd be happy with that. I hope that they would get a show runner who knew how to be creatively dark with all the ground work the original series set up. My personal pick would be someone like Alex Hirsch who did such a great job at balancing out comedy and horrific elements in his cartoon, but I know that's a long shot since he works for Disney.
They're working with Butch again for a live action FoP series, again, on Paramount plus
@@dougtheghoul2845 God damnit.
I mean if Danny Phantom where to have a Reboot it should be Moved to Disney or Cartoon Network since Nick looks like it shows no interest in bringing back the show no matter how much people Protested. But if they do reboot Danny Phantom on Cartoon Network Or Disney they better not make a Comdey filled kids show like the Reboots of today it should be rebooted with a New Creator that has a Passion in truly bring the show back.
@@stevenuniverse9336 In hindsight, looking back, both shots of Disney & CN really should've been the better move, especially back then. Nick does drop a lot of interesting ideas on a whim as time goes on.
The points you made about Butch not seeming to understand the lore of his own show, and one of the writers who made seasons 1 and 2 good being absent for season 3 gives me strong Legend of Korra vibes. Especially season 2 Korra.
In fairness to Korra, the writers didn't know whether or not the series would be renewed for more seasons until near the end of season 1. It makes sense that Korra kinda had some issues going into season 2 and onwards. Butch himself should have had a better written story as he knew, he would almost certainly not get anymore new episodes, plus while Danny Phantom has a more interesting lore than most people give it credit for, It's not that complicated for the most part. The only tricky lore is Dark Danny as it deals with time travel, but given that he doesn't make a return in season 3 (which kinda blows since he was hinted to return at the end of his episode) it does not make sense how Butch messed up other aspects.
The best way I can sum up this season was that it felt like it was devolving from a superhero ghost show into a generic superhero show. The ghosts and Danny's ice powers, as cool as those were, really cemented that feeling for me.
And on a semi-related note, I have to wonder how the hell they got away with Ember x Skulker. Ember is a teen and Skulker is like an adult; that's really messed up.
It's probably because they are dead beings, and correct me if I'm wrong, but Skulker never stated his age so even he is an implied adults they never actually state it. Its still very weird though. It's also possible that Butch and the new writers forgot that Ember was a teen.
@@rich355
Technically Ember just looks like a teen(which still weird) but there's a good chance she's probably a lot older
@@mikemorro140 When Young Blood and Ember work together, the one thing they agree upon is their dislike for adults specifically parents. Young Blood is obviously a child and Ember would have to be a teen otherwise her taste for adults would make no sense if she were an adult.
@@rich355
Mentally,I meant her actual age, like Poindexter is supposed to be a teenager but he's from the 50s
he's probably like 20 and she's very close to being 18
I should also probably mention that while I was also once part of the DannyXSam fandom; after a while, I've noticed there were many...MANY moments where the two of them acted pretty toxic towards each other.
Sam's often bossy, forcing Danny and Tucker to support her own silly beliefs, she badmouths everything around her that's considered "normal," she barely takes Danny's stress into consideration after he endured so much from both School AND ghost fighting, she's self-righteous (like Current Brian Griffin levels of self-righteousness) and she gave me a negative worldview on Goths for YEARS!
As for Danny; he's often depicted as stupid, klutzy, smug, selfish, short-tempered, cynical, has cheesy superhero one-liners and often makes fool-hearty decisions. However, many of said decisions stem from having to make all manner of sacrifices. He has to protect the town (mostly on his own) on a daily basis, lie to his almost everyone about who he is, lose every chance at a stable relationship...all to protect a world from beings who shouldn't even exist.
In short, while there IS such a thing as Opposites Attract; it only works when said opposites deal with their relationship in a healthy manner and what Butch has done with Danny x Sam was terrible. The fanfiction works based around the couple haven't made that many improvements either
To be honest I'm not entirely sure WHY Sam hung out with Tucker and Danny to begin with. I do see what you mean by the toxic moments but I also know of a lot of moments where they DO stick their neck out for each other and help one another so I'm not saying their entire relationship was bad.
I'm talking about was why did they START being friends? After Danny got his powers, fighting ghosts was mostly all they talked about, but before then, why were they friends? Sam seemed to have no tolerance for Danny and Tucker's attitude towards girls, and she was into occult books, activism, and things that the two boys were neutral towards at best (Like helping her save the frogs in the science lab) and down right against at worst (Like her idea to replace the cafeteria menu). The only thing I can think of that they had in common was 1. being an outcast in high school and 2. video games, but it was revealed in one episode that they didn't even know Sam was a gamer for a long time.
@@MadameTamma According to a few pieces of dialogue here and there, they might've known each other since they were little
At the very leaste Sam is still better than Cindy Vortex as she can be downright abrusive even when Jimmy wasnt doing anything to her see the Sciencie Fair episode or how she was to give Jimmy away to jail for money
@BlankBlares which one Fair or Jail ?
@@donaldcass9678 yeah true. But at the same time she was overly mean to hide her true feelings. While Sam is suppose to be their friend. Yeah Sam can be kind of bossy but she'll put her neck on the line for Danny all the time. Plus people talk about Sam Sam I liked and respect. Remember Sam was rich she easily could of been in the popular crowd but chose not to be because she wanted to be her own person and not be used. I don't get why people think Val is that much better I never liked Val. 1. Sam's way more attractive. 2. She constantly had this tired worn grudge against Danny Phantom when he over and over proved he wasn't her enemy she really just got on my nerves with that. 3. She only because friends with Danny because she lost her status and popularity once she became poor. Sam was already rich and she easily could been with the popular crowd but she already knew how empty it was and made a Decision to keep being rich a secret and decided to be her own individuality. 4. She was friends with Danny way longer. Danny barely knows Valerie he knew Sam since 2nd grade they have history and obviously had more time to devolp real feelings vs Valerie seems to be more of a short term thing.
Since when did Vlad want to rule the world? And no nicktoons unite doesn't count!
Vlad's plan of taking over the world is dumb. Vlad uses his powers for personal gain, not world domination.
I believe that reason why Vlad wanted over the world was out of psychosis.
@@michaelsarmiento4661 That's not what psychosis is. You don't magically develop a chemical imbalance in your brain by being "evil" enough. Immorality has nothing to do with it. And psychosis doesn't make you randomly want to do plot-convenient "evil" things that hurt people for no reason. That's just a ridiculously lazy excuse to write inconsistent characters. And it demonizes and harms real people with a medical condition in the real world, if you can imagine that. Check your ableism and look up a word sometimes.
The biggest disappointment?
Dark Danny never came back.
And all of the New Ghosts in season 3, I can honestly say that I have no recollection of any of their names or powers. That’s how unmemorable they were in comparison to the ghosts we met in previous seasons.
And I think that’s the problem with this entire season. None of it is memorable. If you ask any Danny Phantom fan what their favorite villain is of what their favorite episode is, none of those answers will come from this season. And that’s the entire problem.
Steve Marmel understood this where Butch didn't. I honestly hope Danny never comes back because Butch completely misunderstands what made it special and season 3 is the proof of that misunderstanding.
@BlankBlares I imagine an anime scene where Steve Marmel would have punched his former colleague Butch Hartman in the face like what Omni Man did to his son Mark in the season 1 finale of Invincible. Steve would be like "Why did you make me do this! You're fighting just so you can see how much your franchises, including Fairly OddParents, has fallen from grace after I left Nickelodeon! THINK BUTCH, THINK!!!". Would be fitting to see that since Butch Hartman has become the most fallen hero since Sasuke from the Naruto franchise (although Sasuke redeemed himself at the end of Naruto Shippuden). But, after seeing Fairly Odder, looks like there is no hope of Butch Hartman turning back to the way he was before he destroyed the quality of his own shows starting in 2007 with the third season of Danny Phantom.
@@renejustinnillo3087 Hartman's shows are a complete decrease in quality. If Butch Hartman is less egotistical, he would tell Nickelodeon that intended for FOP to run for 5 seasons and doesn't want a continuity. Deep down, he knows there is a continuity in the FOP but he is not interested in it or has no interest in developing a continuity. Second, if Butch decided to agree with Marmel's version of Season 3 of Danny Phantom, that is fine for as long as the tone of Danny Phantom is not too dark, he would allow Steve to make his version of Season 3 of Danny Phantom to go dark.
I would have loved if there was a Fairly OddParents and Danny Phantom crossover where Nega Timmy and Dark Danny were the main villains, and Timmy and Danny must work together to defeat those two bad guys. They look like great concepts on paper, even if they only lasted one episode. It interests me that Nega Timmy and Dark Danny were both evil sinister versions of the main heroes themselves created by their own selfish acts, much to the frustration of their own allies (Timmy doing the opposite of what his parents say and Danny cheating on the Career Aptitude Test). This idea of mine may not be ideal, but still better than whatever nonsense the third season of Danny Phantom gave us, and more akin to what Steve Marmel planned to do after Season 2 of Danny Phantom if he wasn’t fired from the project.
Butch’s success would never happened without Steve, let’s be honest. Once he was gone from Danny Phantom, that is the proof that Butch is only strong when he has someone like Steve.
also one thing about vlads plan in phantom planet is that why would he reveal his secret to the whole world? What good is that going to do?
Vlad revealing his secret to the world in Phantom Planet is dumb and unthinkable.
honestly the only rational reason I could come up with was Vlad was on such a massive power trip being so massively cocky that he could solve the problem that he decided to do so as the zenith of arrogance.
One of the few things that I like about season 3 is Danny getting his ice powers. It's interesting to have a power that isn't ghost-related.
Looking back at what happened to Fairly OddParents in its later years, I honestly think it’s best that Danny Phantom ended at its third season. I mean, imagine if the writers for later Fairly OddParents episodes (especially Ray DeLaurentis) worked on Danny Phantom. With both how Danny Phantom and FOP ended, one died a hero while the other lived long enough to become the villain that sadly suffered an anticlimactic Shakespearean death.
How uncreative. It would be better if Steve Marmel and the original writers weren’t fired for one of Hartman’s careless messes. Season 3 never had the spark to end the show in a high note. It never did. It only needed five to six seasons for a show to be done in a satisfactory manner, thus resolving all of the arcs like Valeria’s dilemma, Dani’s problems, Vlad’s deal with Fright Knight and whatever artifacts he’s wielding for his plans, and Dark Danny’s business with Danny.
@@harryshum4139 They would"ve ruined just like they did with Timmy's one . So it's fine ending it here.
@@aaa-bm1fv Are you talking about Steve Marmel or Butch Hartman? You know, Danny Phantom didn’t die a “hero’s death”. It died being burnt alive by its creator's foolishness and greed. The fact that Season 3 only ended in a surface-level satisfactory note without resolving all of its plot-lines without Steve Marmel to do with only makes it worse. Danny Phantom has the potential to run for 6 seasons and 120 episodes, necessary for character development and building up its plot points to the very end until we get to the final battle between Danny and Dark Danny. Danny Phantom doesn’t need a ending where the hero gets a statue all over the world, it needs an ending where he gets accepted by his family, classmates, and peers, graduates, and prepares for phase 2.
@@harryshum4139 Not only that, Butch wanted to force shipping between Danny and Sam.
@@michaelsarmiento3057 Peter and Gwen in the TASM films feel well developed in comparison to Danny and Sam in Season 3 of Danny Phantom.
To me Sam suffered the 2000s not like other anti feminine girls trope wrap in a goth package. And it’s not sams fault just like mako from the lok, sakura from naruto, etc. the characters suffered from writers that didn’t give them the time and thought these character needed. I feel like Sam should of had another friend outside the trio especially a female friend, they could of had a episode of her and Valerie or a wayyyy better one with jazz (the girls night out kills me it was just it the girl episode … for girls … but only Sam and jazz 8) ) also this is just me as a someone who’s latine but having Sam’s rivals as WOC (Valerie a black girl and Paulina a dark skin Latina) doesn’t go well with me, butch. Like again I think Sam should of had a friend or someone join the group that was more of the idealize girly girl and both have their view points cross paths and both could of grown from it. I always point to the teen Titans episode of when Raven and star fire switch bodies and had to learn each other view points if not the boys would been doomed and after that they truely became friends.
ffs not everything is about race.
@@prettyme4387 This right here
While I agreed with the rant the race part doesn't matter as in the end this happens in an actual school anyway and with Sam's clashing with the two being choked up to their personalities not being all that compatible (mostly Sam's fault but the others aren't perfect either).
I agree with everything. Yes, I know ppl don't want to put race into things but it is hard to ignore when you see that type of thing often in different media.
sam is misogynistic more than danny and sam tho
@@prettyme4387everything is about race
I say reboot it but with a completely different creator attached to it, steve can be a co-director or creative consultant, also this series needs fresh blood in the writing team for this to make a great comeback
Either that or a reboot of Season 3, akin to sequel reboots to movies & video games.
Its too late ben 10 got rebooted after omniverse but it ended with no reboot after at least 2 years
As long as danny and sam don't become a couple, or make it more compelling to make me give a shit of the possibility (seriously, the people around them think they're a couple when doing nothing ship-worthy)
#ScrewSteveMarmel
@@EllislovesCrossovers Why? What did he do?
Season 3 was literally shameful. The writers really gave us 13 reasons why
It wuz good/decent
@@nivekaman9288No, no it wasn't
@@unknownbystander8145 well I respect ur opinion n in sum what understand wut u mean but for me I liked ut
But Eye for an Eye and D-Stabilized are least decent. Though they bring in other problems in a retroactive sense.
@@harryshum4139 unique in their own ways ttytt
I heard that Steve Marmel wanted Valerie to Danny's endgame girlfriend.
Even he knew they had better chemistry
@@sagesixparties7217 but they were wasted and their relationship was ruined. I only accept Valerie as a love interest for Danny if their relationship was rewritten in a better way
@@ClaudetteVioletta You are so right.
@@sagesixparties7217 Agreed...plus, Val was a fighter; not just with ghost hunting but in terms of actual combat skills. Who wouldn't want a girlfriend who's a 9th Degree Black Belt.
Meanwhile, Sam's only useful in a fight when she has the Fentons' inventions on hand. She can't throw a punch, has zero combat skills and is a total nag...she's like Nami from One Piece only more annoying
I hate Danny x Valerie
Vlad reminds me a lot of the Jessica Jones villain, Killgrave. They're not the rule the world types. They have no need, they can just use their powers to get whatever they want easily, Although Vlad is certainly a lot more crafty than Killgrave. All Killgrave has to do is use his mind control but Vlad can overshadow any person to force them to give anything, use his wealth, or his scientific know how. But getting whatever you want so easily does something to a person, and whenever they find something (or someone) they want that they can't have, they grow scarily obsessed and go through horrifying means to take it.
Sam Manson reminds me of the character Trish Walker from Jessica Jones, The hero's supportive best friend. At first you think she pushes her friend because she deeply believes in their potential to be a hero, until later on when it's slowly revealed that Trish just wants to live THROUGH her friend and be a hero herself because she has an overwhelming sense of self righteousness and thinks that she the best person to judge what's best for everyone. In Danny Phantom we see what Tucker would choose to do if he got any power but never Sam (At least not when she wasn't brainwashed). I'd imagine she'd go the same way as Trish and try to be a hero on her own terms, screw what it does to the people around her.
@BlankBlares Fair point.
Jessica Jones happened after Danny Phantom ended, so that point is invalid.
@@harryshum4139 I just said that it reminded me of Jessica Jones, not that I think either property was inspired by the other.
@@MadameTammacan't even read a comic smh
@angiereyes7856Vlad is obssesed with Danny's mom
I personally don’t dislike season 3 because I do enjoy some of the concepts for the episodes but phantom planet should have been a season 4 finale especially because of the penultimate episode of the series with Valerie finding out that Vlad is half ghost
That wasnt possible because of money I heard although I would have loved a Season 4
@@lunawolf6288 all I’m saying is just that Phantom Planet is fine as the series finale but aired too soon
@@axelnilsson5124 yes
27:43 too true Butch Hartmen is far too egotistical and antiquated for current cartoon comedy much less action.
I agreed with everything you said!! I really didn’t like Sam that much, Valerie was far superior. Season 3 makes me so upset. I also noticed how they barely go to school in season 3 which is a big part of it since it’s supposed to be how he balances school and hero work.
Steve Marmel secretly wanted Valerie to be Danny's endgame girlfriend.
I agree i do like Sam but Valerie was a far more instesting Girl that i would have loved if Danny ended up with Valerie and Danny would have made a Great couple
@@stevenuniverse9336 yes!! Even if they didn’t end up together, they could have at least given her something. She was easily one of my favourites and Butch just dropped her.
@@sheridynart7334 Valerie deserves better.
Oh yeah, weren't they on summer vacation during the Freakshow incident? Did that summer just pass by?
The only time that proves Butch's statement that ghosts are monsters to be right was in Ultimate Enemy because since Danny's loved ones died why didnt they turn into ghosts and live in the G Zone ?
I think personally they did we didn't just see them. You have to keep in mind we can't follow Danny and the other characters 24 hours A day.
@@savagedarksider5934 still it was over 10 years wouldn't Tucker and Sam's ghost try to make contact plus were not told the exact time between the explosion and Vlad , I doubt it took a day to pack.
@@nicholassims9837 Would Tucker end up encountering Tucker Phantom since he still exists?
Desiré had an entire flashback of what happened while she was alive
I think the instances of dead people becoming ghosts can be attributed to reincarnation. They get reincarnated as a ghost species. While they are unlikely to retain all the memories of their past incarnation, some memories may stick, allowing them to pick their theme as a ghost.
Keep in mind Butch Hartman had to cut his series short. Originally Danny Phantom was suppose to go six seasons plus. It was due to Nickalodian that he had to cut a bunch out of his cartoon and change things to finish with the ending it did and had a set time limit to do so. If (big if) Butch could legal own the serise again it would possibly continue. Sadly at this point it is unknown if he ever will.
Six seasons eh? Hmm..
Where did you heard that Danny Phantom was supposed to have 6 seasons. I heard that Danny Phantom was supposed to end with the final battle between Dark Danny and Danny.
He should have handle this season better tho
@@ClaudetteVioletta Yeah.
What I heard was that Nickelodeon axed Danny Phantom because Butch was bad with money. He wanted Danny Phantom to be like the Adam West Batman TV series where celebrities would guest star and as a result he'd overspend on getting expensive voice talent. It makes for interesting fun facts like "Hey did you know, Lancer is played by Hell boy?" or "Jacob from twilight is Youngblood?" or "Kill Bill was Clockwork?" but I think that money could have been better spent. Then Butch promised he'd make back what he spent by making a deal with Burger king for a toy tie in line, which did make them money, but not as much as projected.
I always thought of it as ghosts can both be created naturally or from the death of a person. So with Nocturne , Undergrowth and Vortex I always thought of them as naturally born spirts who existed for so long they forgotten their humanity so that’s why they were seen as so powerful
Edit : Also Operation Overdrive did this concept a lot better as the Rangers for this season were hired for the job , not chosen by a magical force or destined to be heroes. When they lost their powers , a set of veteran rangers took their place. Since the rangers have their own lives and careers they decided to let the veterans take over because for one as past rangers they’re re more than qualified for the position and there’s no reason to hang around the mansion. In Danny’s case the replacements are under Vlad’s payroll and he still had his powers , so him quitting and deliberately losing his powers is dumb as he’s handing the safety of the town to his nemesis
I never really watched season 3; it's basically forgettable, and Phantom Planet was a huge disappointment. I liked the show when I was a kid, The Ultimate Enemy was a great movie for how dark it was, even by the show's standards. Phantom Planet was horrible, and I turned off the tv before the ending. I never watched the final episode again after that.
It's sad that the old writers who worked on the first 2 seasons were gone, and replaced by writers who probably didn't know anything about Danny Phantom.
I seriously can't stand Sam; she never grew as a character and is still the hypocritical bitch who uses Danny to get what she wants since the first episode! The same goes for Tucker; who's still an annoying comic relief that also uses Danny for selfish reasons! They make Dash look like a nice guy in comparison!
Not only that, Butch Hartman states Sam to be a perfect girl for Danny and Danny is the perfect husband for Sam and says that Sam gotta end up together and everybody wants it. Meaning, deep down, Butch doesn't like Valerie because he tried to destroy him many times and Sam is the Creator's Pet and Sam has been his sidekick and had stayed by his side. The main problem with Butch is that Valerie has a proper relationship development with Danny than Sam. Not only that, Sam Manson's personality in the first episode is the same one in Phantom Planet.
@@michaelsarmiento3057 Sam as a mary sure?
Hell no!
Essentially what happened is the producers hated that it had any intelligence and thought having actual ghost was too scary.
Danny Phantom season 3 was badly written and Danny relationship with Sam was just as annoying as Mordecai relationship with Margaret many episodes of them pretending to secretly love each other even Mordecais friends had noticed it. It would be cool to see Dark Danny come back, Valerie was a great character with her Glider like Green Goblin is, Daniela is another Hybrid that i would wish to be in more episodes and I feel bad about Vlad that either he should leave to another planet or he should just die by the meteor because he a fugitive on earth.
I do believe that Butch is *EASILY* the biggest problem when it comes to S3 but I also noticed a couple others when thinking about it. I do agree with the airing of the episodes being weird. Like I only watched the first half of S1, Memory Blank, Reign Storm, & Ultimate Enemy via reruns on Nick until *YEARS* later despite having cable when S3 was originally airing.
My biggest one is that there was *NO* balance, in multiple ways.
1. A lot of people have pointed out that they weren't really shown in school in S3 besides Forever Phantom & other than Claw of the Wild, we don't really see the other recurring kids that we'd normally see in the school episodes. I know they went on summer break in the S2 finale, but they mentioned/have the school in only 2-3 episodes & this also made having Claw of the Wild so late in S3 very jarring to me. They should moved that episode up to fit with how S2 ended then had more school episodes.
2. It felt like there was *WAY* too much Vlad in this season due to poor spacing. In S1&2, he's only major in 8 episodes, 2 of which are 2 parters (Bitter Reunions, Maternal Instinct & Million Dollar Ghost for S1; Reign Storm, Ultimate Enemy, Secret Weapons, Masters of All Time & Kindred Spirits for S2). He was in the same amount of episodes for both S2 & 3 but S2 had more episodes. This made his appearances more spaced out & less annoying IMO compared to S3. I understood why he was in so much of S3 bc he's techinally the main villain but Danny Phantom is known for having lots of recurring villains so having Vlad in most of the season made it drag a bit for me.
3. Butch needs to work on writing non male presenting characters better, (specifically Valerie & Sam for this show)
Both Valerie & Sam 100% *DESERVED BETTER!* Both were in *WAY* too many pivotal episodes in S1&2, and for Valerie to just be in the last 2 episodes of S3 is criminal. If Butch didn't want Danny and Valerie to be endgame (which is still dumb btw), that's understandable but she was too importance to be cast aside the way she was. Her story arc deserved a resolution. As for Sam, I agree with everyone else's views on her.
4. I do agree that the specials should've been spaced out better. I think it would've made sense for them to do 1 special per season and had it end with either The Ultimate Enemy or Reality Trip
Hartman's shows have a complete decrease in quality.
Starting with this season of Danny Phantom.
Nice to see another person bring up Ben 10: Omniverse's terrible retcon. In Ultimate Alien, one alien they fight, Inspector 13, has defensive mechanisms for many alien species, including Osmosians. He also calls Kevin a "hybrid Osmosian", meaning he's treating Osmosians as having their own DNA (or some form of genetic material). In OV, Osmosians are now instead human mutants with random abilities and Kevin's is just absorption. If that is the case, why did Inspector 13 have defensive mechanisms only for the absorbing type of Osmosians? Why did he think Osmosians had DNA/genetic material separate enough from humans to the point that he considered Kevin a hybrid rather than a mutant human?
Answer: Because whoever wrote that retcon didn't take all of the lore into consideration that characters outside of their "false memory" narrative wouldn't fit that mold and would instead contradict it. They couldn't be bothered to explain what Aggregor (you know, that Osmosian warlord) actually was in the show and one of the creators said he was just a failed clone of Kevin. Like other things in Omniverse, they wanted badly to replicate the success of the original series by returning story elements back to how they were (Kevin being a mutant, Ben marrying Kai in the future, etc.) without considering how much it would trample the logic of the overall franchise. At this point, I'm surprised they didn't retcon Anodites out of the picture so that Gwen have magic going for her instead of having alien ancestry like Kevin guessed about her and the Plumbers' Helpers.
Omniverse's writers were so concerned with "We gotta fix things back to the original" that they didn't take into account people had basically accepted "Oh ok so Kevin's an alien. Oh Gwen's been an alien too all along?" by that point.
@@voicedubgaming2286
I mean to be fair Alien Force just retconned stuff too, there's a certain hypocrisy in saying Omniverse is bad for putting the characters back to how they were before another retcon
Well, a new comic “A Glitch in Time” is being released in 2023, being a continuation and seeing the return of Dark Danny and Vlad. The best part is the author isn’t Butch Hartman. So there’s hope. Butch probably just signed for the author to have permission to create the comic and that was it.
I hope Danny Phantom: A Glitch in Time could fix some of the complaints about Season 3. For example, have Danny and Sam getting on a date with each other and have Danny tells Sam that he has moved on from his relationship with Valerie or have Tucker removed from his position as mayor of Amity Park because he is too young for the job and he has a power-hungry side in him and would be willing to betray his friends.
Since Valerie will return in the graphic novel, I would like to see what is her reaction to Danny Fenton being Danny Phantom.
I'm just disappointed that Danny Phantom was wrapped up in a hurry.
I like to pretend Danny and Sam broke up after Phantom Planet. You know, for fun 🙃
Even better, I like to pretend Phantom Planet didn’t exist.
If Dark Danny is going to be the main villain for the series finale, how will Danny defeat Dark Danny. How will Danny increase his powers in order to defeat Dan Phantom. Also, does anyone have any idea on how Danny will defeat Dark Danny.
Maybe with the help of Vlad, and other ghosts. I also would like it if Vlad was redeemed in the finale.
After hearing the news about Butch having tendencies to play favorites with his characters and putting sexist notions into his work; looking back on this season, those factors seem clear as day.
For example, Danny is consistently treated as an incapable moron while the females (Jazz, Sam and Valerie) are depicted as the "smarter and more skillful heroes." Have a look at Sam's attitude in Phantom Planet and you'll see what I mean
@BlankBlares Who?
Danny is literally the hero of the show plus you have a Copable woman in a show once every years and y'all go crazy 💀
@@jasmintea8825 I don't quite understand your comment due to a few words being misspelled
To be fair, most cartoons were like that back in the day. A lot of creators learned from that and now we have both strong male and female characters
@@nintendope2976 That's true...but the complaints I spoke of were widely seen in almost every cartoon Hartman made.
In both Odd Parents AND Danny Phantom, for example; women were depicted as more capable (if not smarter) than the men on a reprehensibly repeated basis
It's probably best that Danny Phantom ended at season 3. For all it's problems, I still found season 3 to be enjoyable. Had Nickelodeon for some reason decided to continue the series and give it season 4 of more, it probably would have fallen from grace. Could we have gotten a much better season? Of course, but being fair to Butch, he did an decent job. I found the new villains to be entertaining and at least interesting in design. While Vlad's goals of world conquering definitely came out of nowhere, I didn't take much of a issue with it because Vlad always had stupid or ambiguous goals, so at least world domination was something reasonable for a villain. My main issues with season 3 lie with it rarely taking itself seriously. The episode with Valerie and Danielle was easily the best of season because of the change of tone, but the fact that we never saw the Vlad and Valerie conflict get resolved is still one of the biggest issues with this season.
Season 3 already fell from grace and luster when Steve Marmel left. Regardless of Butch's work on the show, it doesn’t change the fact that he clearly has time to finish the plot-lines that needed to be done, only to squander the potential anyway by focusing on something that satisfies only him. Take out all the things that Butch considers as unnecessary and look at the result: an aimless show without any stakes and plot to save it from its misery. If you still think Butch is a decent guy you still look up to, then it his fault for wasting 2 million dollars on a 44-minute episode that could’ve been way cheaper than that and followed up with a few more seasons before reaching a desired final battle between Danny and his evil alternate self and whatever deal Vlad has with Fright Knight along with the two artifacts in his hand. The only hope left is to linger on fallen memories of a cult classic and wait for some DP-related graphic novel by some different author to release to the public, but who cares? It’ll just be delayed to 2023/2024 or the author of the book will die from COVID anyway for all that I can care. Besides, whether Steve or Hartman have input on the book or not, rest assured that it will not live up to people’s expectations regardless if it’s a reboot of the show, set after “Phantom Planet”, starting from “Eye to Eye” and ignoring most of Season 3 besides “De-stabilized” and episodes involving Danny's ice powers, or takes place in a alternate timeline Dark Danny's probably gonna screw over.
@BlankBlares No idea. Butch just announced a graphic novel written and illustrated by Gabriela Epstein and published by Abrams Books on his Twitter account. The title and synopsis of the novel is unknown. All that is known is that it will release sometime in the Spring, though I doubt it would happen considering COVID.
More like Danny Phantom would have fallen from grace if the show continued for more seasons but with the same writing team of Season 3 of this series and/or the later seasons of Fairly OddParents (especially 9 & 10). Fans already know that Danny Phantom derailed in quality the moment Steve Marmel left the show and Butch Hartman took full control of the writing decisions and hired writers who do not have any knowledge of the series' source material.
@@renejustinnillo3087 Like I said, Danny Phantom doesn’t need to end, but it doesn’t need to be screwed over by Hartman’s constant carelessness everytime one of his shows strikes gold. If Hartman were a reasonable and pragmatic person instead of that over-religious egoist who scams out of people for hundreds of dollars today, then he wouldn’t have gone over-budget with the Ultimate Enemy, thus giving the show more budget to make more seasons, saving the show from having their budget cut by Nickelodeon, and allowing Steve Marmel and the original writing team to continue writing for the show.
Oh, yeaaaaaah, the “ghosts were not dead people really” was the worst part. Well, seasons 1 and 2 were not really logical too, but at least they had some chemistry between characters (like Vlad and Danny’s twisted father/son relationship, that we could see in Bitter Reunions, Maternal Instinct, Ultimate Enemy and even in Reign Storm that if they kept developing it much more forcefully, like in a lot of fanfiction (shock, really, but some works are waaaaaaay better than the actual show), concentrating on Vlad and Danny’s bond as the only half ghosts in the whole world and developing it to one of real compassion and indecisiveness that would really add a lot of qualitative drama to the show and development for both Danny and Vlad) (or, as you said, Danny and Valery). That would have been what I would really love to see. And Sam and Tucker… yeah, they are both bad friends in a lot of situations, like, I don’t really believe in Danny, Sam and Tucker’s friendship. Jazz has more development than they do, though there really was a good large base to do everything greatly. Just Vlad’s initial story and his potential father/son bond with Danny had all my attention, Tucker and Sam and Danny could go though realistic road of maturing and growing as people, correcting their selfish behavior, learning to appreciate one another not as some profit, but real people, starting to be more mature and understanding, but with remaining strong character, and at last the theme of half-dead boy itself in early 2000s was a real blast that could make now with good writers the hit show! So, Danny Phantom, I love you, but unfortunately for not what you are, but for what you could have been😔
It’s funny how usually when creators leave the show, the show goes down hill. But the more Butch got involved, the worse the show got
Gonna be honest tho I wouldn’t want a reboot of Danny phantom mainly because as much as I love it and fairly odd parents the more recent seasons of fairly odd parents and later works just frustrate me that’s the best way I can say it the show would feel lack luster
i didnt find it disappointing i find it disappointing that it ended at S3
well danny has went through worse and is a bit out of character but danny is a kid and i guess he was overwhelmed with this slightly dumb but unreasonable desicision and danny is a good guy so you know he doing it for his folks. sam is diabolical and danny knows vlad is up to something that the only nitpick i can think from that.
I agree that Sam is the most unlikable Goth Girl. She is annoying. 13:27
@BlankBlares y’all hate Sam? Weird
@BlankBlares ok
Gald to see I’m not alone feeling like Dan phantom should of come back I adored the first two seasons of Danny phantom for years I felt like it ended wrong knowing it was suppose to end differently makes me sad if only we coulda had that time line also I wanna point out that vald did test the astroid at the start of phantom plant or at least a smaller peice he knew ghost couldn’t touch it it was his and Danny’s fight near Saturn during that test that knocked the astroid free that point is largely ignored in the episode tho anyway great video!
I felt this season was underwhelming. To me, season 1 was great, season 2 was the peak of the show, and season 3 was OK. I didn't find it as bad as FOP was getting at the time after season 4, though FOP had its times where it started to get better again until it finally just tunneled in a downward spiral til the end (probably around season 7). It had some cool concepts, characters, and episodes that I enjoyed, but with it being the final season, I agree that it could have been better. I would've loved to see the show go in a darker direction in the last season, though I also would've been cool with them continuing the style of storytelling that was in season 2 and tying up subplots from the previous 2 seasons. And yes, if there's a revival, you most certainly do not want Butch taking charge of it. Just look at the Fairly OddParents live action revival Fairly Odder which he's involved with. It's atrocious!
FOP's season 5 and Timmy Jimmy Power Hours made Timmy into a prick.
I totally agree with you,Season 3 is very Disappointing
Damn hearing how Danny phantom lost a lot of money and butch working on oaxis makes me think butch is awful with money. I'm honestly surprised still wants to do business with butch.
Butch went on to complain about this one time he was tasked with storyboarding one episode of Johnny Bravo, where he couldn't make the character be upstairs in his house because there is no upstairs. His complaint is that (I'm paraphrasing here) "rules strife creativity, thus cartoons should have no rules."
And that's why he keeps retconning character motivations, backstories, and even the setting itself. He just doesn't care for continuity, as long as he can make his brain farts animate on screen!
Yeah I pretty much take everything butch says with a grain of salt
Isn't that expression used when someone is telling their side of a story and it sounds like they're smearing the truth to make the other side look bad?
Like they're "salty" about it?
@@YowLife I mean most ARE salty about it because Butch took what was a great series with a good setup and well done character development and said ‘fuck it’ rather than listen to what the fans wanted and liked about the show. For two seasons we go into the series with this plot setup and interesting stories and he just decided to throw everything away, constantly contradict what was stated in previous episodes, left most of what made the series good behind for no reason, so yes. Take what he says with a grain of salt cause it’s clear he doesn’t know his own content which isn’t even 100% his given people liked the show more when he wasn’t 100% involved.
So much slept on potential
Amazing video! Yeah, Season 3 was not nearly as good as Seasons 1 and 2. I kind of wish Danny Phantom was an adult cartoon. That or just allow it to go darker...even if it's just as dark as Avatar: The Last Airbender or The Legend of Korra. Just something else than what we got in Season 3 because I couldn't STAND how childish it was.
But thank goodness for animation like BoJack Horseman and The Owl House that aren't afraid to go a little darker if they need to.
Also, yeah, if Danny Phantom ever comes back, please let Steve Marmel be in charge of it.
Emperor Aquagem, I have a suggestion for you. Can you make a video about what are your thoughts on the Season 3 episodes of Danny Phantom. For example, in the episode, Eye For An Eye, you mention that Danny pull a bunch of pranks on Vlad because I have no idea. Also, you mentioned that Danny should be a lot more cautious and not to try to f**k up with Vlad, like what happened to Kindered Spirits, where Vlad attemps to murder for letting his Danny clone to die.
I still believe the bad future from Ultimate Enemy would still happen with Sam switching bodies with Danny Goku Black-style to have him all for herself. Oh well, you know what they say, “Dead man tell no tales.” We’ll never forget your sacrifices, Mr. Marmel and Mr. Hartman.
@BlankBlares If there were to be an explanation for declining quality of Season 3 in-universe, then I’d probably say that it looks like Desiree got the last laugh when Sam wished for Danny Phantom to come back.
@BlankBlares She’d probably solve all of the world’s problems, but doing a half-assed job in it because for all of her preaching and lectures, she actually doesn’t know how severe these world problems would be. If Hartman wrote her, she would be called a hero and have the higher moral ground while the problems she tried to solve become worse than before, and the only downside for her is doing Danny’s job of fighting ghosts. If Steve wrote her, the extent of these problems she’s trying to solve comes back to bite Sam by being called enemy number one, and she begins to have Danny’s ghost problems blown up at her face. As she is faced with the troubling life of being a superhero, Sam begins to double down and slowly becomes more cynical. He’d probably make a two-parter episode for her considering his talents.
God I was waiting for someone to do a video on this
Not saying your wrong but by comparsion to Fairly OddParents, Danny Phantom had a legit ending and at least 70% of plots resolved in comparison to FOP that just ended with an episode where Timmy's parents become rich snobs and look their noses down on Chloe and her familiy and that was it. No Timmy Growing up , no Cosmo and Wanda saying goodbye , Timmy's future wife revealed etc and FOP had many chances to end with Abra , Channel , Wishology and even its first live action film Grow Up .
Danny Phantom on the other hand could be viewed as a Lesser of Two Bad seasonal rots and was giving a mercy kill . Could you imagine if DP gave us a talking animals sidekick akin to Scrappy Doo , Sparky or Snarf ?
AT LEAST IT HAD AN ENDING. A very bad ending, but it ended.
I dont mind sam so much, there are people with flaws and no one is perfect. If she were a real person I know I could get along with her as a freind. In all honesty if Danny was a real perosn and the serise did not exist, he would still be the kid with no fans and only have a couple of true friends which would be Sam and Tucker. I know from experience what it is to be the invisible kid with hardly any freinds and being bullied.
There's nothing wrong with a person having flaws...but when said flaws get in the way of meaningful bonds or relationships, they can be annoying.
Plus, most people try to improve themselves from those flaws; even if it's just a little bit
Why is everyone convinced that why Vlad never wanted to take over the world. Why do you think he was trying to steal Pariah Dark's crown and ring? For what other purpose could he have stolen Jack's ecto-skeleton. The way I see it, Vlad's ultimate ambition was to become as powerful as can be, something he was already trying to do from the very beginning. When the Disasteroid was coming, he saw the perfect opportunity to gain more power than he ever could before. But, no, everyone is so taken aback by his performance in Kindred Spirits, that they don't understand this.
I want to see Vlad wearing the Crown of Fire and the Ring of Rage in Steve Marmel's Danny Phantom Season 3 and Fright Knight might start working for Vlad in Season 3.
I honestly still kind of like Sam, but I see why others don’t like her!!
Isnt it ironic that Sam scolds Danny useing his ghost powers on bullies while Grey's other voice actor Mandy supoorted Jr uses his powers on Sperg . The irony is that Mandy is much more villainous and cruel then Sam
I don’t hate season 3 but they definitely could have made it better. Like the only Plot the got resolved was “Wolf” “Claw of the wild” isn’t a bad episode in my opinion but it’s kinda inconsistent Because of the fact this is the 3rd Summer in the shows so logically Everyone Should Be Older. But I know it’s cartoon so whatever but with the Consistency of Season 1 One & 2 we’re with the plot lines (minus the multiple summer as I mentioned) you would think they would pay attention to details like that.
Making Vlad the villain for Nick Brawl 2? A new comic book? Something has to be happening!
Hey aqua , if you want Danny phantom to come back , why don’t you make a video about pleading to Nickelodeon about how good it is to bring it back today for new episodes and it benefits them in the end for all of us
nickelodeon didn't promote season 3 that well, they wanted to hurry up and get the show to end by having a week of new episodes airing on the weekdays and never properly advertised what time the episodes would air do to Cyma Zarghami becoming president of nickelodeon while season 3 was in production and the retcon of the ghosts was obviously because of butch's religion, also, nickelodeon demanded that danny and sam end up with each other and both nickelodeon and butch's religious beliefs are against interracial couples and that's probably why steve marmel got fired because he wanted danny to end up with valerie
Same here and let me tell yah that was a season going down the devils ground.
The commentary TOOK ME OUT it was perfection
If Steve Marmel wasn't fired, the Season 3 would've been a great season and that means we could have the season 4 which the show would've ended the best way
Honestly I love Danny Phantom it's my favorite teenage superhero show and I also love season 3 besides the lack of valerie, living large, and phantom planet not feeling like a finale I love the season 3 episode very much I just wish that this show could have had a season 4 because it had alot more potential.
Plus looking back on it some of my favorite episodes come from season 3 like urban jungle, forever phantom, torrent of terror, frightmare, and boxed up fury
@BlankBlares Because Danny had ice powers.
If there is a Season 4 of Danny Phantom, I imagine that season would feature Danny introducing Danielle Fenton to his parents and telling them of her origins. Also, Jack and Maddie would have adopted Danielle and be part of the Fenton Family.
@BlankBlares Along with Eye for an Eye and D-Stabilized.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who likes Season 3
Same loved all three seasons
Here is an idea: Since you mention that Danny and Sam would not make a good couple, I would like to see Danny and Sam getting a divorce while Sam takes Misty Fenton and Danny takes Jackson Fenton.
Frostbite is my favorite character, the truth is that with the characters in the Danny series I connected the most with him, and I fear what could happen to him in the AGIT sequel, since many times, characters that one If anything, something very bad usually happens to them, and I'm afraid that something bad will happen to Frostbite.
Nickelodeon is working with Butch Hartman again for another FoP live action spin-off
Why!? Just why !?
@BlankBlares so fucking stupid, this show needs a good remake. I kid you not when I say that I could've written a better season three.
@BlankBlares I'd need time to think it over. But rest assured I will give it you.
@BlankBlares I'm baaack~ Just like I said i would be. After mulling it over for a few days i think i got it.
Let's start with the few things season 3 got right. Norctune and d-stabilized, that's it. Just for his voice and design alone Norctune should be kept In.
I would start season three off with an episode about Vlad. Here he would use the skeleton key to travel to clockwork's keep. Vlad learns about the alternate timeline and the birth of dark Danny. The episode would end with Vlad flying off cackling to himself.
With this we could tie up some loose ends. Like Vlad wanting Danny to join him. He never could get him to give up and give in. But after learning about the events of ultimate enemy he knows what could make Danny give up. So he would split Danny and his friends up. We could have an episode where Vlad shows up professing some evil scheme he then suppresses Danny's powers for an extended period of time. One of the interesting things phantom planet implies is that tucker and sam live vicariously through Danny. And so in this episode Danny would actually enjoy being human again albeit temporarily. Enjoying being human again without losing half of his personality or turning evil. Of course Danny's friends are seemingly more frustrated with the situation than he is. They would argue of course. In the end Danny's powers would return and Vlad's 'scheme' foiled. Although Danny would not forget his friends reaction to him being human again.
One of the things that built upon and dropped in season one was Jazz's relationship with her parents. It was well known to me at least that Jasmine had been a better parent to Danny then his actual parents. We could have Vlad orchestrate a falling out between Jazz and her parents. This would lead to her moving away.
In another episode we could have Vlad pit undergrowth against our heroes. With clear instructions to seduce Sam to the dark side. This could be revealed to Danny at the end of the episode. Causing their friendship to end.
Jazz moved away, Sam turned evil, all that's left is Tucker. Speaking of Tucker, he starts getting jealous of Danny again. Vlad sends ghosts after Danny.Ghosts that force him to use all of his powers. After he defeats them the townspeople praise him. Valerie shows up and hunts Danny, which gets him thinking. Tucker steals some Fenton tech and goes to technics. Rigging the stolen tech so that it would bond with him when shot by ectoplasm. Of course Danny and Tucker get into an argument about it and Danny says something awful to Tucker. After that Tucker's ghost half shows up and he goes off to fight it dying in the process.
At school Danny's grades begin declining. His parents of course get on him about this and tell him to get his grades up. Danny gets angry at them and storms off. The next day at school Danny winds up opening up to Lancer about some of his personal problems. Vlad tricks Lancer into injesting nanobots that he can self-destruct on demand.Some time passes and Danny decides to reveal his secret to Lancer. Vlad detonates the nanobots making it seem like Lancer died of shock.
Vlad gives Skulker a new idea for hunting Danny. Skulker kidnaps Danny's parents and holds them hostage. Danny goes off to face him and beats him. But is unable to save his parents.
The events of D-stabilized more or less take place. With some slight changes. Vlad at the end would say that he really had planned on helping Danielle. He pretends to be pretty banged up and says he would take time to recover. Danielle would also decide to stay in amity park after learning about what happened.
Vlad in secret enlists the help of some ghost and sends them after Valerie and Danielle. The ghosts are defeated by our heroines and they are left puzzled.
Valerie runs into manny times in which Danny precedes to attack her. Eventually she gets the upper hand and holds him at gunpoint. Danny then begs her to shoot him which she refuses to do. He winds up telling her about his recent string of bad luck. Leaving some details out of course.
I would choose to have the next few episodes focus on Danny and Valerie. Here we could do such episodes to build their relationship up. Like some of season 3 episodes but Valerie is there kicking ass. Vlad is trying to kill her and Danielle of course.
Valerie discovers Danny's secret and the two of them get into a argument. After a period of not talking Danny goes to Vlad. Clockwork appears before Danielle and Valerie while the two were chatting. He tells them about the events in ultimate enemy and that dark Danny disappeared from the clocktower. Which means he exist inside of time again, Danny becomes dark Danny. Valerie and Danielle rush to Vlad's mansion , but they're to late. Valerie manages to save human Danny before Dan kills him. After retrieving weapons from Fenton works and getting into another argument with Valerie Danny goes to fight Dan. He manages to separate Dan and Vlad. Both humans recombine with their ghost halves and have one last fight. The series would with Vlad defeated and Danny and Valerie moving forward with their future.
How would you write season three?
@BlankBlares Did you get my reply?
I definitely get why some prefer Valerie and Danny, but as someone who loves the childhood-friends-to-lovers trope, I really wish Sam and Danny’s relationship was handled better.
I would’ve much rather preferred a slowburn where they slowly fall for one another and find comfort in each other while fighting ghosts. It would’ve been interesting to see Sam realize her feelings first (during Valerie and Danny’s relationship) and Danny later on realizing that he’d been crushing on Sam too.
Instead, their feelings for each other are basically made clear on _Fanning the Flames_ and their relationship stays stuck in that dynamic until the very end.
I would revive it and put it on Netflix.
Fan-fiction + Animation
Only thing that was a disappointment was that Bunsen is a Beast junk. It was like Butch Hartman threw it together at the last minute. Danny phantom was tight.👍🏾
10 years later and I still fuck with Season 3. I dont have an issue with it. I wish Nick brought the show back.
You thought Danny phantom had 3 seasons so does my life as a teenage robot
I also hated what they did to the Ghosts with a passion! Plus, the Valarie vs Danny never be resolved irks me.
I really liked Overgrowth and Nocturn. They should have done more with these characters. Also the Ice Beam ability was really good. Wish we would have seen it way more. But I agree season 3 was a little bit inconsistent indeed. Vlad was a weird case yeah. They really changed his character. And yeah the season finale was a huge disappointment. It was really boring man…
Let's be real here: final seasons (whether planned or not) in most shows are all crap. They're lackluster, forced, rushed and just plain stupid.
Fun fact, season 4 turned out to be the last season because the budget had been moved to another show, avatar. So we lost a good show for one of the goats, a worthy trade
I can't believe they just killed Vlad like that
He didn’t die he just “exiled” himself from the world
Vlad wouldn't be stuck in space due to his idiotic action if they simply went with Steve Marmel's version of Season 3 of Danny Phantom.
Word of advice. In youre next videos more Visual instead o just mostly the same purple diamond background
I still hate that skulker and Ember reveal.
@BlankBlares I hate it for three reasons:
A. As A Danny x Ember fanboy I'm naturally going to hate it.
B. From A storyline point-of-view it doesn't make any sense.
C. Overall it's just stupid.
@BlankBlares I've read fanfictions that handled two characters hooking up better.
@BlankBlares Danny Phantom:Hero of the Ghost Zone.
Danny Phantom: Phantom for the Throne.
And there was A third one I can't remember the name of it right now.
But yeah. While fanfics may not be perfect They still give you A more "Realistic" way for these characters to hook up.
@@savagedarksider5934 not to mention that it’s entirely unnecessary and out of left field: we never once had a scene between ember and skulker, every time we saw them together they were with Danny’s other enemies and that was like 2 times (3 if you include their future selves) so having them as an underdeveloped couple is so pointless if they don’t even fight together against their common foe
At Least Sam would be a better girlfriend then Cindy Vortex from Jimmy Neutron who acts way too much like a bully and is even phyically assults Jimmy but what cement it for a lot is that she was willinly to Sell JImmy out to the cops when he was framed something that Sam would never do
There were some good episodes I give it a 5 out of 10
Every time Butch Hartmann claims that the ghosts were monsters from another dimension from the start his nose grows. Above all, I think they could have brought both under one roof. Let's just say that in the spirit world there is an in-between world. Most people in the spirit world are the souls of the dead and in the in-between world there are monster ghosts that co-exist with the others but cause trouble every now and then. That would have kept the potential open for another season and explained everything clearly and plausibly.
Yeah he should have said some ghost are the disembodied spirits of dead people an animals while some were always otherworldly beings from the ghost zone with no connection to world of the living
Danny Phantom Top 25 Episodes (Seasons 1 , 2 in my opinion)
1.)Season 2 Episode 9 "The Ultimate Enemy Part 2"
2.)Season 2 Episode 5 "Reigb Storm Part 2"
3.)Season 2 Episode 8 "The Ultimate Enemy Part 1"
4.)Season 2 Episode 4 "Reign Storm Part 1"
5.)Season 2 Episode 20 "Reality Trip Part 2"
6.)Season 2 Episode 19 "Reality Trip Part 1"
7.)Season 2 Episode 12 "Flirting With Disaster"
8.)Season 2 Episode 17 "Kindred Spirits"
9.)Season 1 Episode 15 "Public Enemies"
10.)Season 1 Episode 18 "Life Lessons"
11.)Season 2 Episode 16 "Masters Of All Time"
12.)Season 1 Episode 17 "Maternal Instinct"
13.)Season 2 Episode 1 "Memory Blank"
14.)Season 1 Episode 13 "Fright Knight"
15.)Season 2 Episode 2 "Doctor's Disorders"
16.)Season 1 Episode 7 "Bitter Reunions"
17.)Season 1 Episode 12 "Teacher Of The Year"
18.)Season 2 Episode 11 "Secret Weapons"
19.)Season 1 Episode 9 "My Brother's Keeper"
20.)Season 1 Episode 8 "Prisoners Of Love"
21.)Season 1 Episode 10 "Shades Of Grey"
22.)Season 1 Episode 11 "Fanning The Flames"
23.)Season 2 Episode 10 "The Fright Before Christmas"
24.)Season 1 Episode 19 "The Million Dollar Ghost"
25.)Season 2 Episode 14 "Beauty Marked"
What do you think is worser Danny season 3 or Star season 4 ?
Star season 4
Call me crazy but I prefer both of those show's seasons than the MLP finale. I never liked the fact Twilight would outlive her friends.
*worser*
I can tell you that i'm nowhere as angry at Phantom Plannet as with Cleaved.
This felt like gargolye season 3
I hate to say this but DP Died when Steve Marmel left he had so many ideas for the final Season only if Butch didnt spend all the $ on trying to sell merchandise For The Ultimate Enemy than the show would have never lost all the $ 😢