New Machine Shop Yard Equipment - Bantam C35 Dragline Crane - Restoration Project
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- My passion for cranes has finally brought one of my own into my life. I have operated cranes for the last 15+ years, but never one this small. The Schield Bantam Company of Waverly, Iowa built these amazing little cranes starting in about the 1940s. The first renditions were truck mounted, then they started building the crawler type. The company was later bought out by Koering, and as far as I know they do support them to some extent.
What will I do with this Bantam C35? After a full mechanical restoration so it is functional, we plan to dig ponds to start. It will get used around the yard for projects and taken to a local tractor show, Hungry Hollow in Rice Lake, WI. The other plan for it is all my wife's idea, although I totally am into the idea. She wants for build an underground bunker. So, that is the real reason I bought it. It was all her fault.
Keep following the channel as we rebuild or make new parts, I will film the process. This new crane should make some great future videos.
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You had me at underground bunker!
It will be a while. But the wife wants it, so it will happen. I'm still sourcing all of the supplies.
@@TopperMachineLLC sold it to the wife! Great job there. Lol
I worked for a strip mine from mid 70s to the mid 80s. It was amazing the skill the operators had, pull a welding truck out on the set and the operator could set the bucket down with in a foot of the truck while hanging from 2 cables 125 ft. from the machine. After working around these operators you learn how precise they can be. However one hard fast rule NEVER get inside the swing radius without the operator knowing you are there!
The skill and precision achieved with these old cranes are insane. I've ran old clutch and dog cranes for 15 years and absolutely love them. And you are correct about getting in the swing radius. I've had people sneak up on me, and it never ends nicely. They get a very colorfully worded lecture about safety around cranes and detailed descriptions of how I could have killed them.
I can remember when Bantam and other brand cable machines were common. The thing that impressed me most was the guys who could cast the bucket a long distance. That was pure experience and timing! Nice old girl right there!
Now, are you sure that Bantam identifies as a girl?
When I was a pre teenager we had a Bantam crane on a truck that was used in our salvage yard. We lifted a steel 1 ton weight to drop on cars to crush them. Cool to hear the Continental run again.
Dude, now you're building a bunker!?!?!? You are living my friggin dream. I'm still stuck in the burbs.
It may be a couple years, but yes.
Pre- hydraulic machines are super cool.
Drag lines, Caterpillars with cable powered blades, all that stuff.
It is amazing all the functions they could control with clutches and cables.
Looking forward to the bunker build.
I love this old technology. It just shows the true genius and desire to get things done of our forefathers.
little crane ....big crane far away....
looks like its going to be a fun project
Crusty and rusty but willing to respond to the task - Thanks for sharing
You sure do have a wide range of hobbies and skills. It is a good thing that you know how to operate and fix things. I hope that the repairs do not cost you to much. A little bit of love and you will have a new old machine. I hope that it serves you well. I hope your wife is ok with you having another girl in the family. I am glad that you are keeping your friend informed of the progress you make on the machine. Thanks for the video. It is always good to see you.
I dug a lake with one of these, about 40 years ago. Besides making sure you don't let the cables unspool on you, you have to adjust the brakes for the cable spools, during prolonged use. You have to expand the shoes, as the drums heat up. And, you have to loosen them up, before you stop for the day. If you don't, they will be all bound up when the drum cools down, and shrinks. Failure to adjust the spool brakes will result in the inability to hold the load. Since there is no hydraulic assist, it's important to have them adjusted correctly. When your rear end starts to come out of the seat, because you are pushing so hard, it's time to adjust them. 😆
Awesome Man! Living the Dream. 👍🏼🏗️🇺🇲
Congrats on the purchase Josh, thank you for uploading!👍👍
Very excited watching this!!! AWSOME!!
Stick around. More to come.
A number of years back we hired Vance Johnson from danbury to dig our pond. He dug it with a small crane,and boy was that fun to see. Nothing like watching a seasoned operator slinging bucket after bucket and continuously repositioning the swamp pads. Pure entertainment. Cannot wait for more of your content. Thanks so much.
Bro...gotta totally drop a BiGGG block Chevy in her with straight pipes and a super high loafer drag cam!
That's a sweet lil machine 👍👍👍
Old school cool.
A big boy and his toy. 😄 Your high level of enthusiasm for this project is evident in your presentation. I would be remiss if I didn't mention your friend as he enters his final chapter of life. I hope he is getting good care and love and that his ultimate passing is peaceful.
Keep practicing all get 1 day,keep the cables tight
This is so neat!! Can't wait to see more of it.
I like your new TOY!
Really sorry to hear about your friend. Definitely not good news. Hope he can have some peace at this time in his life.
Yes, by all means, paint the C35. Love your video's. Regarding the painting - Remember, what Benjamin Franklin said, "in order to get many things done; do one thing at a time".
One thing at a time. That's why I starting at the ground and working up. Track and drive rebuild first.
@@TopperMachineLLC Yes, I see what you mean. painting is last. It's the same like rebuilding/refurbishing a fine automobile.
Great Video 👍
what a great toy to get your hands on!
I have a 1968 Bantam T350 (truck mounted) it currently has a backhoe on it but I also have the dragline boo, bucket etc. I love running it as the old Continental just chugs away behind me. It was giving issues of stalling out when I first got it but checking and adjusting the governor seems to do the trick. Will get some more seat time this summer. Looking forward to your restoration, will watch every episode.
Some of my other RUclips channels have also acquired vintage cable operated cranes/draglines recently, however, I think that yours will be the only one we will see the actual repair/machining work accomplished to return it to optimal functioning. Can't wait!
I'm super excited to do the repairs and put it to work. It will be another great asset to the shop and homestead
Time to look for an old Euclid haul truck to go with it.
That would be cool, but my wife would kill me. Lol
Underground bunker! My kind of man 😈
Boy my dad would be jealous if he were around to see this! He always wanted one on our ranch, never came across the right deal. Nice find!
That's a cool machine, Congratulations enjoy. Look forward to future videos.
Good Stuff
I don't recall seeing a dragline, but i remember a company having a fleet of Bantam hydraulic excavators. It sounded like they were moving a 100 yards a minute with the old 2 cycle Detroit engines. I was told a guy that worked there could load trucks with a dragline. Ive got a passion for all heavy equipment.
I miss my grandpa he used to make them drag crane sing to him 🤣 but any old timers could do that to
Love the cab heating controller 👌, impressive what can be achieved with steel hawser/wire cable 👍.
Looking forward to seeing it being brought back to full working condition Josh by you and the apprentice.
Thanks for sharing.
Very cool !!
The local conservation district used to use one like that to clean out the drainage ditches ever few years, as a kid I would sit on the opposite bank and watch work as long as it took to go past my folks property. Years latter they were using a excavator it just wasn't the same as listening to the cable running out and the splash as the bucket hit the water
That is Slicker than Snot!!! 😃👍
Thanks for the video Josh competing with Diesel Creek Matt would like that. Take care of yourself and family and be Blessed ❤️❤️👍.
Good machine
Good video
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Looking forward to seeing some more of the old girl! She's a good one. I'd say she's far from "old and hideous", I'd say more that she's still in her work clothes. Personally, I like the work clothes look. Equipment like this dragline worked for a living and IMHO, should look like it. 👍😃
Less controversial than owning a tank. Great fun to come I bet. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
I'd sure love to own a tank too. That will be a hard sell to the wife. Lol
@@TopperMachineLLC Hey, you need something to protect the bunker.....
I have that same motor in a forklift. I put the electronic pickup conversion in the distributor and it really runs nice!
Thanks. I'll look into that. Do you have any info you could share on it?
Oh man, it's been several years since I did that swap but I think I just figured out what distributor I had and found the kit online
my Dad had a Lorain with a 5/8 yard bucket all manual controls. someone before him put a 4 cylinder Cat engine in it. you knew you had done a days work after you ran it all day.
Fun machine
Can’t wait to see the bunker build!!!
i have two truck mounted backhoe. one is running. lots of fun to run.
Thanks for video, this is a small Jewell.
Nice! I remember those machines from my youth in the 1950s on the other side of your state (Minocqua, WI). One of the operators let me stand in the cab while he was operating it. Thanks for letting us take a look!
Well …… an underground bunker is definitely an odd thing 👍😜👍
Wow Josh , very nice. She's quite the gem and treasure......came across an old drag line wayyyyyyy back in the woods here when I was huntin a cpl yrs ago.......was 1/2 buried in a swamp.....just the cab above the swamp now.....figured it got bogged down crossing a corduroy road across the swamp......prob in the 40s-50s.....maybe even CCC time frame.....was on an old logging road access (CCC firebreak road?)......not sure what make it was.......no OLD TIMERS around any more to shed any info.....pretty dilapidated and rusted horribly......OH, by the way TYVM for sending the cold front and snow flakes....yi yi yi.....swear I saw one snow flake here in the Adirondacks, said courtesy of Josh in Spooner......at least the cold front slowed down the black fly invasion for a bit....shop expansion here is almost done.....will send a vid when Its presentable...
Don
I'd be willing to bet there are machines in swamps everywhere. Rumor has it that there was a small railroad at one of the local cranberry marshes back in the 1920s. As the train was traveling, the ground let go and the steam locomotive sank. I've heard from a few sources that they have ran rods down and can hit it over 50 feet down. Would be cool to recover, but no idea how to do it.
Glad you liked the snow. I'm glad it's finally gone, now I just need warm weather to get stuff done. Haven't even fired up the sawmill this year.
Put a cherry bomb muffler glass Pac she will sound great. I bet the leak could be brazed up or Nicole welded. Love the machine bet will pick up most other machines to unload too..
I've got another manifold lined up. I considered fixing it, but was more concerned it would continue to crumble as I tried. It's happened to me before, fix one spot and another lets go.
Good to see a quite good example of a Bantum dragline, it does seem very quick, amazing.
Nice machine Josh
Well - how cool is that!!?!!
That's a great little dragline Josh. Sorry to hear about your friend, but your restoring it will surely make him happy. Since you have the extension boom on it, maybe fabricate a rear cover/ballast for the back, to help ballance the load, and cover the damaged rear panel. Keep up the great work.
There is already 1200 lbs of concrete in the back and factory accessory 1200lb counterweight.
Nice as I've owned a few of those over the years! Wish I would have kept one. I'm a retired crane/dragline/operator/mechanic and last job was running a 95 Northwest equipped with a Saureman slackline/dragline cleaning lime settling ponds.
So Sorry for your friend. Good job.
Nice machine, can't wait to see all the repairs done!👍👍
Surprisingly, there isn't a lot. But what there is, will be work.
having the model bantam, pure genius, excellent vid thanks, new sub
That is a cute little dragline! Always had a soft spot for dragline cranes because we lived near three creek bridges that were replaced in my lifetime; there was always a dragline as a central part of the replacement process. I don’t have the crane experience you do but I do own a Gallion 150A hydraulic crane, 15 ton rated. Handy unit. I will say it takes a different mindset to move things via crane vs some type of forklift/loader. Thanks for keeping another piece of old equipment alive!
I enjoyed that and looking forward to the referb videos.
It will be nice to see an old dragline with decent tracks when you've done the pins.
Pins are definitely on the rebuild list. First is the drive sprockets and chains, so we can move it to a better spot. Then pins, and move upward on repairs. Not much needed beyond the bottom end. Just a few minor things.
This is a very cool machine and it is great that you are sending updates to the former owner. I am looking forward to following this project and I don't think I would paint it either, it looks good
It has a certain beauty to it as it is. I would really hate to paint it.
Very nice tool! 👍👍👍
Makes a great garden tiller... can I have mine back now?
Anytime you want it, we will bring it back.
So Bantam, this would be the same Bantam that created the first Jeep for the US Army competition and then lost out on all of the production orders except for some trailers for the Jeep's to tow?
Did they also make a cable operated bucket excavator because I remember seeing one in someone's paddock one time?
Mark from Melbourne Australia
As a child, I lived in Clewiston, Fla. My bud just down from my home; his Father was a Drag Line owner and worked for the South Florida flood control. I'm not sure what DL he owned, but it looked much like this, except it was a diesel, and the bucket had 4 teeth.
I was around 12, 1966, and got to pull the line several times. It was a hoot. My other friend's Dad was an Engineer for the Atlantic Coast Line. Never got to ride, but did go in the locomotives several times.
bantams are a good small contractor machine. I have a small collections of shovels and a bantam t35 with a a backhoe and shovel. you've got a new sub. looks like your dump rope is too short also. should not be getting the becket into the dump sheave
The dump rope is on the repair list. Starting with the propulsion side first then working my way up. Lots of years of wear to fix.
@@TopperMachineLLC I know it all too well. My Lima 24 dragline needs track pins, bearings and bushings in the vertical shafts not to mention the whole air control system rebuilt
It seems that renovating such a crane is very expensive. Are you going to open a museum?
No museum, just personal collection of things I enjoy.
I help maintain and show a 1941 American Bantam Reconnaissance Car (BRC). The BRC has a Continental engine, a smaller Y112, like your Bantam Dragline! Continental engines were popular in the 30s and 40s. American Bantam is not at all related the Schield Bantam Company but they both used the word Bantam to imply "small".
Small and powerful was what I had read
Back in the day the operators would keep a can of Bon Ami or Bartender's Friend in the cab to sprinkle into the clutches to remove the rust and glazing .
That's interesting. May have to think about doing that.
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Dad had a bantam crane same model as this one. His had a two stroke diesel
Oh man.... I want one too!!! That is too cool. How much cottage cheese do you need to press out a new cushion for the seat?
Lol, yeah, it's ugly. But actually quite comfortable.
One of our cars does not have a computer. It's a 1982 Mitsubishi L300, which I upgraded the engine and manual transmission from a 1991 model.
Hi Josh. Nice dragline. Where did you get the model one? What scale is it? I am into G Scale (1:29) outdoor trains. Thnx. David (Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA
Looks like it's a bit harder to operate than a backhoe, not that I've ever operated a backhoe. It will be interesting to see you dig the bunker, but no doubt in the meantime, there will be a lot of refurbishment to do first.
Actually, in the right hands, these dig faster than any hydraulic excavator. It's quite impressive to watch these work in capable hands.
Ya gotta bury them deeper than that or you can still smell em. 😂
Lol, never met one who didn't reak of incompetence. I don't feel any of them are worth the effort to dig deeper. Lol
do the wire ropes on these old machines need lubricating?
I always wonder if exposed wire ropes rust unternally or externally.
give her a good greasing every time you use it , but I am sure you already know that
Where did you find dr8ve chains? I found tune up parts at napa. Did you f8nd a carb kit for the carburetor?
Chains are just 140H, nothing special but very spendy. Carb kit took some searching, I don't remember where I got it, but it was under $35 shipped
i think you need to check your governor operation, it sounds like its not adding power when you add load.
It was working properly, I just have some tuning to do. We didn't set the points properly in the field to get it moving, that is now fixed. Plugs and wires are next. Timing is also on the list. I was also using up some really old gas. I had everything against me. It will all get fixed.
Don’t suppose your buddy has a donation page? Going through terminal stuff is very hard.
He does not. I've gave him way more than the crane was worth and then bought more stuff to help him out. He is a good guy, sad that he is so young.
imagine if there was a seasoned operator at the controls ....
Or at least one around that could teach me.
You might have to paint that new radiator flat black. It looks brand new and doesn't match the vintage of the machine.
Chris @LetsDigit18 just got one too. Must be an epidemic.
an old machine can be Rusty Shit Full Of Rot, or it can be Clean Patina. really looks like the sheet metal is mostly Clean Patina with some rot in corners where water collects. sure, the paint is faded and rust stained, but it's mostly Still There. and the working bits are all there and complete - it even looks like it has all the glass. maybe not entirely original glass, but these kinds of machines were flogged hard in their primary working lives, as you would well know as a crane operator. There's different levels of Do Things To It, sounds like (per other videos) your goal is not Parade/Show Restore (which would be A Lot Of Paint, which you have also indicated distaste for), but Refurbish To Working Order for light but real use. That's REALLY interesting how it's just a radiator door for cab heat. and Ouch that bugger is Loud even evident over the camera
The way that engine rolls on a while after you shut it down makes me think you might want to check the compression before you try too hard trying to make it run great. She sounds tired
It may be tired, but will still work for many years.
Oh I’m sure it will. Just nice to know sometimes if there’s a low cylinder
@@redmorphius I agree. Compression test is in order. Worst case a repower is planned.
That is strange a Gasoline engine in a crane instead of a diesel engine.
Hmmm Gasoline was very cheap in those days.
Gasoline engines were very common place in smaller equipment up until about the 1960s. Gasoline was more readily available than diesel. With the Dieselization of the railroads in full swing in the 1960s, MFGs started using way more diesels in small equipment. Even in the 1960s, diesels were not standard equipment in most things. I have driven and worked on several 1960s heavy trucks with gasoline engines. There is a lot of interesting history if you dig into this topic further.
VERY cool and please do not paint it for the same reason I do not dye my hair from about that same era.
a little advice for you, a dragline operator should never take his hand off the swing lever.
While I welcome the advice, can you elaborate HOW I DO THAT. I can't seem to understand how to keep a hand on all 3 controls, Drag, Hoist, and Swing.
Disappointed, I thought we'd see the toy operate!
The model digs too, but I paid almost as much for the model as the real one. Lol
@@TopperMachineLLC LOL🙂
That's not a rebuilt carburetor you may have put a carburetor kit in it it doesn't mean it's rebuilt
I completely rebuilt it. Pulled apart, bead blasted, cleaned, full kit, jets, float, and reassembled.
MR. TOPPLER
LOVE THE VIDEOS. THIS IS A COOL CRANE. BUT AGAIN, CAN WE PLEASE FIX THE AUDIO? IT'S ONLY YOUR CHANNEL. I HAVE TO TURN THE VOLUME UP SO LOUD TO HEAR YOU, THEN WHEN IT GOES TO COMMERICALS IT'S SO LOUD IT ABOUT GIVES ME AN BARB A HEART ATTACK. SHE'S NOT GOIN TO LET ME KEEP WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS IF WE CAN'T GET THE AUDIO STRAIGHTENED OUT. THANKS HOSS
GOD BLESS
I have done everything I can to adjust the audio. It is loud on everything I watch it on. I'm guessing it's something on your end.
@Topper Machine LLC I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW HOSS. IT IS ONLY YOUR VIDEOS. EVERY OTHER CHANNELS OR VIDEOS I WATCH ON SAME VOLUME, AND ITS SAME AS COMMERCIALS NO ISSUES. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO CONTINUE WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS BECAUSE I ENJOY THEM. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTION ON WHAT I COULD CHECK TO FIX THE WEIRD VOLUME ISSUE? I AM NOT A VERY TECHNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED PERSON BUT I WOULD LKKE TO TRY BEFORE BARB SAYS I CAN'T WATCH YOU ANY MORE. THANKS HOSS KEEP UP THE GOOD VIDEOS
GOD BLESS
And don't paint it , it got character the way it is . In my opinion It will look like crap if you paint it.
Absolutely agree. It has character and shows how it's lived a working life. Paint will just show all the dents.
I really enjoy your videos in the shop and about the railroad engines. And to my surprise you are also a Bantam owner. I have a 350 on a truck that we use to hang an irrigation pump in the river and a 450 on tracks with a hydraulic excavator set up. I have two excavator arms that fit on the 350 and are cable operated. I don,t use them if you want one for your collection let me know. My 350 had a 353 Detroit and the 450 has a 453. I put an electric motor on the 350 so if you want the 353 it is surplus to me. When the 450 was used for cleaning canals the clutches would get hot and slippery and the old time operators would pour vinegar on them to get them to grab again. Thanks again for all of your content!
@@johnjoyce4444 thank you for the offer. I will keep you in mind moving forward. Could you send me an email, youtube@toppermachine.com I would love to pick your brain a bit. Although, the 35 and 350 are completely different machines, I still might have questions you could answer. Thank you.
get your self pulley block double your lift capacity very hand yard crane for around small machine shop she's still got a good day work in her lovely piece of kit
I was thinking a 3 part line just to slow the lift down.
Your video made my day.👌
Prayers for your friend who has cancer I’ve always wanted to try and operate a dragline I played in the cab of one like that when I was about 6-7 lol I always wanted to really operate it but it didn’t run so my imagination was the key lol my grandfather was the night shift dragline operator at old Ben coal in Indiana during the 70-80 he operated big Kate for a long time I got to see it and it’s twin big red I got to climb all over big red after the mine shut down and I mean all over lol amazing how big it is thanks for sharing