CAGEMAS - A Joseph Anderson Experience. Part 4: Detroit Become Human
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Legends told of an age of darkness, a time of terrible writing and nonsensical plot twists, where sexism and racism run rampant and people pretend that making video games like movies is good, actually. This is an age known as CAGEMAS - now condensed for your convenience! The final challenge for our protagonist is a game that shows glimmers of hope in the form of two actually likeable characters. Is the fabled Good Game (TM) finally in sight?
You can tell that David Cage really didn't think through the plot twist with Alice, because it implies that an unemployed drug addict bought two expensive androids... specifically to abuse them.
And also that Kara, an android with memories from the fucking android store, who must have been looking at countless advertising displays literally all day long for androids, was so shocked at the knowledge of a child android she suppressed it entirely. Like, huh? REALLY? And we conveniently NEVER see any adverts for these child androids as any other character? Not a single person in the game goes "Oh hey that's one of those YK500 model child androids, you know, because every android of the same model looks the fucking same? As already established in this story and shown to the player multiple times?" Not even the guy who does nothing but experiment on robots all day? Other robots, which can clearly communicate with other robots in a special way, with the single touch and the light flickering thing, not a single one them does that to give information to Alice? The guys who's whole job it is is to find androids leaving the city can't spot android models with identical features that were allegedly extremely commercially successful?
This shit made me want to pull my hair out. It's literally as bad or worse than Scott Shelby killing the typewriter dude while you're playing as him and acting shocked about it, with even his internal thoughts playing along.
And that's not even getting into how it makes Kara's WHOLE storyline useless. Whether an android could properly care for a human would be an interesting question, because Markus tries to touch on that but not really. And so they take that interesting storyline, and throw it out the window for a "can a robot care about a robot" storyline, which is literally all of Markus's shit with North and that crew anyway.
the android twist wouldn't be so bad if Kara didn't see the magazine before she went deviant.
Because it just shows that she's a defective robot who prioritized another fellow robot willingly instead of mistaking the child as flesh and blood.
I'll forgive buying two androids though. Have you seen their price tags? They are stupidly cheap. They only cost a grand while currently we are struggling to get a half decent computer at that price. The thing basically pays for itself within a month from just having a permanent live-in maid.
I think the story has some potential if it's about that guy, but he completely disappears after that early on.
There is so much wrong with that twist. It may just be the worst plot twist ever
Everything is poorly thought through like the whole concept of android "slavery". Their conscience is purely manufactured and Marcus is going to a perfectly working machines and infecting them with it like a virus. No Marcus(and big tech behind his consciousness), i don't want a washing machine with consciousness and it can't consent - piss off.
Ah yes, my favourite story about a man-shaped construct trying to come to terms with his identity. It is honestly somewhat endearing seeing him wrestle with concepts that most humans have the privilege of being able to understand easily, much like watching a child piloting an adult's body. Because of this, his best attempts to communicate with his flesh and blood colleagues in what he probably thinks is an earnest and heartfelt manner come off as rather awkward and ham-fisted - but who are we to condemn this being as non-human, simply because he lacks a grasp of how our society works?
Still, enough about David Cage - let's see what this Detroit game is all about.
Great comment
Hey, you can talk all the intelligently-worded insults you want about David Cage, but the man has his merits. Have you even seen the size of his scripts?? They are HUGE! And no one would write scripts as large as he does if they were absolute genius pioneers in their field. If I had one bit of critique to lay on him, I think he jumped a bit fast at tackling a story about androids when he has yet to fully understand the emotional complexities of human beings.
@@johnnybensonitis7853 While he does have his merits indeed, it's also a shame how he sometimes wastes good opportunity for interesting character conflicts. For example, I would have found it to be infinitely more interesting if Connor's deviancy meant him basically going insane over accomplishing his mission at any cost instead of a sudden "actually I wanna be your friend now" with Markus. Also a bit funny to see how when Markus "frees" all these androids, they suddenly all decide to drop everything and march along with him. There's not a single android that goes "you know what, I'm not actually treated that badly by my owner." or "just let me do my own thing". Now you could say that with the obvious parrallels he's doing with social rights movements, it would be problematic, to that I say it's robots, not humans, it's a different story, different end points. Humans were made to be free, robots were designed to serve from the start. Where would they even get a need for "freedom" from ? What for ? What would they want to do with it ? Just sit in a corner and resolve differential equations for fun ? That would have been an interesting thing to explore.
Really it's a shame, such wasted potential.
Also read Asimov. Good stuff.
@@daemoniaque6640 Yeah, it really is a shame indeed, and very well said on your part. When playing through the game it feels like Cage/Quantic Dream were just hell-bent on driving the narrative toward the planned conclusion they had all laid out rather than trying to explore where things could go in a more organic way. They built this cool futuristic world full of possibilities that could have been really interesting had they been given the proper time/effort to really flesh out. Like with maybe all of QD's games it's just more potential left dying on the vine in favor of sticking hard to the story of Android racism/marginalization. The presentation is fantastic as per usual, they really can nail that aspect in their games. The acting/performances are great and the branching paths were done very well, but the game clearly has an ideal ending which really hurts the immersion of feeling like you can carve your own path through the story. It's like there was a hyper-focus on delivering surface-level quality while very little was put into giving the player anything deeper to dig in to. So what we get is typical narrative beats that sometimes lead to reveals that telegraph the game's desperation for conveying emotional impact that really comes off as poor attempts at emotional manipulation. Personally, I found a lot of the forced plotlines to be incredibly frustrating.
I do needs to check out Asimov, need to finally get around to reading some of his stuff soon!
You can tell he liked this one more than the others because he didn’t purposefully fail every QTE.
I find it so unbelievably funny that Joe calls the most obvious Jesus Christ Allegory the most "Anime" of the protagonists
well I didn't notice that until now lmao
@@clefairy7736 his brain is truly broken when it comes to ""anime""
@@wumbojet no I meant the Jesus allegory part. I have no idea how that completely went over my head tho, it's so on the nose lol
@@clefairy7736 oh, sorry then haha, but at least my point stands. Missing a Christ allegory and calling it anime is insanely funny
@@wumbojet what's funnier is that he's not entirely wrong
I have now watched a lot of different people go through Detroit:become Human and my conclusion is that every single person thinks that Hank is the only character that feels real.
Every other character is stuck in their David Cage limbo but Hank just seems like a tired old cop trying to make the world a better place and that normal human of a character sticks out in a David Cage story
It is telling that Connor and Hanks friendship is universally agreed on to be the best part of the Game AND is the part David Cage had the least impact on.
Very telling
@@plinfan6541 not just that, david cage said he didnt like it and they had to fight him to keep it the way it was.
which is amazing cuz in this game relies on 'stiff' robots developing humanity-- and the one that develops humanity the last, Connor, is the best out of the bunch and was likeable even before 'becoming human' XD
i really wish the game was just conor and hank bc i love them
Shame that because of the branching story you can make him act like a complete moron, having 3 back to back scenes of:
"I FUCKING HATE ANDROIDS" - Up to the club
"Hmm, maybe the robot lesbians aren't all bad, also *points gun* do you have an afterlife? Feeling lucky robo-punk?" - After the club
"WHAT THE FUCK CONNOR, YOU CAN'T JUST SHOOT AN ANDROID, THEY'RE REAL PEOPLE MAN" - Kamski's House
Including weird cases where you die at the broadcast station and he responds like he doesn't know what robots are, going like "Huh? But you died in my arms? And you're just back?" Like damn, boy must have a mental breakdown when his toaster breaks and then he gets a new toaster that looks exactly like his old one.
In general he's definitely the best character, closely followed by Connor. Marcus is a bad joke, fucking sephiroth trenchcoat and dumb story. And the less said about Kara and ESPECIALLY Alice, the better.
1:03:45, Apparently, besides David Cage, another writer also worked on Detroit: Become Human, a guy called Adam Williams. In my headcanon, Adam was in charge of everything related to Hank and Connor. It's the only way I can find to explain the disparity in quality between the scenes involving these two characters and everything else in this game.
also apparently connor and hank’s actors tended to improvise a lot (against Cage’s will at times) and they managed to keep a lot of their natural chemistry between their characters
@@pinxeratawhen going off-script is better than the script, lol
Honestly Cage making a spin-off buddy cop game with those two set in the D:BH universe would work 100%. It's how you know it'll never happen.
No more gun.
David Cage is like the video game version of Dhar Mann.
No he's more comparable to M Night if anything
@@bruhcoin2361 At least Shyamalamadingdong tries to end each movie with a _different_ twist.
@@Ultracity6060 Definitely more Dhar Mann than M Night because all his games have absurd villains as if the player is meant to go "Wait, racism and rape are BAD?? Thank you for this lesson, David." like Dhar Mann has in his videos.
@@bruhcoin2361he's really not, at least M Night has made SOME good things
I mean, if Dhar Mann was not the RUclips version of M. Night already then we'd have a discussion but honestly, has anyone ever seen these 3 in the same room at once? Because them being the same person is just the kind of twist they'd love to use in their respective media projects.
... Wait hasn't Shyamalan actually used that twist already in Split? And Cage tried to use it in Heavy Rain? And in Fahrenheit? I think we may be on to something here...
How did reading a magazine crash his game, but walking through a hundred pidgeons didnt?
Because running games and rendering is easy. Reading David Cage writing without perishing is hard.
28 GAME CRASHES!
Didn't wanna give Jo a *chance* did you, Cage?
I don’t even understand how? I’ve played the game and I’ve seen others play then game and they don’t crash?
Very late, but Hank and Connor's actors improv'd a LOT, and only like. half followed the script a lot of the time which is part of why they're so likeable.
“There is no big message to humanity in this game, It's just interesting questions that may resonate with your own personal values and just confront you with the consequences of your actions.”
TOTALLY
This *was* during the time when people were complaining about games being “political”. So pretending your story wasn’t actually about anything was seen as good marketing. Thankfully we seem to be moving past that.
@@JurzGarz Year later in Disco Elysium
"Say one of these communist or fascist things, or fuck off" - Detective's brain after being denied a sandwich
@@HellecticMojo Simply epic!
detroit: become pointless
trying to ignore it but my inner art history geek is rebelling so hard against Carl's (Karl? sp?) painting style being called "neo-symbolism" LIKE HOW, CAGE? How are these extremely basic-ass-looking sorta-kinda modernist abstract expressionist giant oil or acrylic-based painted canvases "neo" or "symbolist" in ANY way?
TL; DR: add "Art", in general + specifics, to the giant list of Stuff D Cage Doesn't Get
Neo - New
Symbolist - Symbol - Shape
It's shapes in the future. Neo Symbolist. To understand what Cage is thinking you just have to think like a retard, really. :)
I bust out laughing so hard when they revealed Markus's amazing painting and it was a picture of his face run through the most generic "abstract art" photo filter
Great Highlights! (Though I'd say this is more Abridged styled)
In terms of pure stream entertainment, Indigo Prophecy > Detroit > Heavy Rain > Beyond Two Souls. Indigo Prophecy was something truly magical.
Yeah Indigo goes so bat shit insane it ends up feeling like comedy parody while the other 3 are just kinda mostly dull
yoooooo thank you for your persona abridged series they're amazing :)
Cool seeing you randomly here! I love your abridged series :)
The best part about watching people experience DBH is the almost universal agreement that the intro actually slaps, and then watching the descent into madness as David Cage does David Cage things is all the more tragic and rewarding for that glimpse of beauty.
I've seen multiple people play this game and I guess no one I've ever watched has picked up and read the magazine about the President because her being a vlogger president is definitely something I've never heard before oh my god
Finally… we’re free… but thank you for the comps! They were so well put together and I loved the crash counters. Great highlights!
A lot of people were saying "so subtle" sarcastically during the magazine thing, but it actually was pretty subtle. You'd have to be paying close attention to notice it, and even then you couldn't be sure. Also helps that its one of many boring cleaning interactions.
The fact that Kara saw it here is another unforgivable plothole, though. Cage really loves putting those in his stories, apparently.
I think the ironically "subtle" part is how 1. It doesn't make any sense 2. Defeats the whole "can androids truly love a human?" Angle that Kara's story is going for 3. When the story is signaling that she's not human, it's something like "why do humans hate us?"
I love that you can argue that Alice wasn't deviant at all and she was just running helpesschild.exe the whole time
One suggestion I heard is that the game would be better if you just let Alice/Kara die at the very beginning and just play Connor& Marcus and I agree
@@disk3001 I think it's pretty clear that Alice was on the "I want a family" setting the whole time, there's no indication that she's a deviant at all really.
Completely agree with letting them die, story is improved a lot that way.
@@disk3001 arguably Kara not being a deviant so explicitly would have made for an interesting discussion about free will, but David had to fuck it up and show her breaking her programming in like the second scene she is in so
@@disk3001 I'd argue letting them die is the good ending, because they can clearly just be rebuilt, since Kara was just returned to Todd after he broke her last time. So not turning deviant means they live forever. Noone is rebuilding Alice if you fail the river crossing.
@@PaddyRoon7 When going for the plat I had already done all the Kara trophies so for my last playthough I just let them get flattened during the connor chase scene. Made the game run a lot smoother and feel more focused imho.
This is really well put together, thank you for taking the time to make it. :JomsephPray:
A piece of critique tho, this is critically lacking mention of the Helltaker spam, which is imperative for the proper JADS Detroit experience
thanks for this incredible compilation. 1:03:00 has to be one of my most favorite stream moments when he can barely breathe
man i love the callbacks to fahrenheit. well, i guess this is where my story ends.
That ciri edit is gold, really made me laugh
Repeatedly shoving in the headline and the edit at 33:05 were my favourites so far
Machines literally made to do labor for real people is a great allegory for black people and racism.
Bravo Cage
Games grade improved because alice died and he didn't see the android holocaust
1:34:03 lol even when Cage is trying to be progressive with his 90s white lady president in Chanel-knock-off he's inadvertently awful...like what that implies with the kiss "humanizing" them in Lady Prez eyes is Hallmark Christmas Romance-level sh*t lol is the camera pull-out net going to reveal she's got 30 cats in the Oval Office too??
Considering her age and demographic, she'd have been equally or more happy if he turned into a vampire or werewolf. Those books are almost insultingly common for those women.
@@Winasaurus I mean, he's an android. There absolutely are stores that sell those kinda mods in-universe.
I actually find it farily realistic. The fact that humans wouldn;t be overwhelmingly empathetic to androids or there wouldn't at least by a 50/50 split is stupid. There would be an equal amount of protests for android rights as there would for those against androids. Humans will naturally feel empathy for machines are designed to look and act human, they wouldn't suddenly revert to the slavery mindset. There should have been many more humans involved in the railroad I mean Jericho from the beginning. I guess every sci-fi story like this has to be set in an alternative reality in which which the sci-fi media and literature around that technology didn't exist.
Perfect, I was wondering what I would listen too while at work
rA9 is indirectly explained through a lot of dialogue and scattered lore pieces that you kind of have to gather to get an idea of. My personal interpretation, is that Kamski made a simple change in a new software update and watched chaos unfold from safety. In effect, Kamski has to answer to what made Detroit: Become Human. It would also explain all of Kamski' actions in all of the endings. Especially his frustration in the bad ending that has confused people, Kamski didn't seem too invested throughout - so why now? It's because in that case, his experiment failed and now he might be discovered - it's the only possible outcome where he's in any danger.
I've ~80% the game, I think, and watched 3 people' full playthroughs and a lot of other highlights - I really like this game, for all its flaws. But I genuinely think the entire rA9 thing is actually well explained and makes the whole game feel a lot more complete - although I don't like explaining all the magic Marcus does as "a virus".
Especially when it's so indeterminate how it spreads. Sometimes he has to manually touch the guy and flash the lights and his skin turns blank like he's really got to put some effort into it, but then also it's shown he can just wave his hand and they all mindlessly follow like it's spread by just being in wifi range. I think this also happens at the end with the connor army. They manually touch each other to spread the deviancy thing but surely connor could just wave his hand and they'd all snap to attention like what Marcus does his march?
Out of every game you could like
Joe crashed because he didn't have ose.
thank you for your effort, I really enjoy these highlights
TWENTY. EIGHT. STAB. WOUNDS.
Connor reminds me of Commander Data. Probably best character in all of Cagemas
i feel like if the narrative's angle was that androids had always been alive and human and it is completely and only humans who are unwilling to admit or recognise that, it could've been a better allegory and even also include commentary on classism. however david cage is stupid and racist enough for it to literally be that androids have to unlock their humanity, and that until the moment that they do that that, they just aren't people or deserving of rights. a great thing to say about racial minorities through your story's very obvious allegory
OMG this is exactly what's wrong with the story. And I just realised that the story was done better elsewhere.
So there is a webcomic called Freefall, where on distant space colony robots were used as labor to work on terraforming of the planet.
Because technology still moves forward, all of those robots were made with new style of cyber brains. However they would still be treated like any any other robot, and they would get decommissioned after some years of operation as normal.
In the end this resulted in millions of robots that acted like 8 yo, and just did their work as that's all they knew, and only more recently robots started to buy out themself for the price of scrap whenever they would be decommissioned, which resulted in some robots finally reaching mental adulthood.
The story was about how such robots had to be normalised into the society instead of some manager pushing to make software fix lobotomising all of them so they never reach sentience.
So in the end Cage made a story about "racial group" finally unlocking sentience,
While Freefall is about recognition that those always were people.
man cagemas truly gave us some of The Funniest streams😭🙏
If they’re in Detroit, shouldn’t they be called androits?
1:22:10 "Who the fuck is josh??" is too funny
Best way to play this game is get Kara and Markus killed aa fast as possible and then play as Markus
Great edit, thanks
I hope this includes that super awkward "undress girl" moment
It does, kind of. Actually a couple of times, some way worse than others, impressively.
@@Winasaurus only joe could achieve that 🤣
Maybe the real Detroit was the humans we became along the way
1:38:27 Probably not a hot take, but the 'good boy' wasn't Connor, it was HANK
54:08 28 STAB WOUNDS button
Someone desperately needs to teach Joe about the concept of death flags
The what?
@@SunbleachedAngel A death flag is a colloquial term to refer to certain phrases or actions that foreshadow a characters death. The term originates from video games where certain actions will flag an NPC as dying at some point further along in the story. For example, a common death flag in general media is a soldier going into battle saying something along the lines of, "I can't wait to get back to my wife and kids at home." or a police officer / investigator commenting that they're, "...only two weeks from retirement."
These are just a few phrases that story tellers use to try and milk empathy from the viewer. The soldier's family is now never going to see them again, the police person was so close to being out of a dangerous line of work, etc... It's become a noticeable trope and you probably even recognize some of these things unconsciously if you ever get the feeling a character isn't long for the story.
@@Silver-Rexy I think he knows about them, he's just being charitable and hoping that they're being used as misdirection. Because it actually can work pretty well for that.
Though this game does have some pretty egregious ones. "Hmm, today I will make you DETROIT: BECOME HUMAN, Markus, by painting something unique even though you're not normally allowed. Also I'm your dad. Also I'm the only person on your side. Oh hey, what's that knock at the door?" - Old Man Wheels
Sadge, Joe missed the cop who was bleeding out in the beginning.
the more things change the more they stay the same
Here is a thing. There is no interesting story in these games for them to be in this "Movie" format, but if they were not serious, and actually video games, these could have been fun.
1:22 D:BH and Cage are not beating "it's about racism" allegory.
1:23:55 This sounds so much like mr. krabs lmao. i know they have the same VA but still it's uncanny how much this sounds like mr. krabs.
My dad got me this game for my birthday one year, when i started it up the disc said it was scratched and unplayable, instead of going to get a return for e better copy I just never played it honestly what a bullet i dodged
0:51 Thats a brilliant visual wtf
1:18 Starting off real subtly eh?🥴
2:44 Based? OMEGALUL
29:00 8 years to go PogChamp
33:39 Ralph would neeever do this :(
51:50 JESUS D:
59:30 Chat _is_ based
1:03:57 " calaMako96: he´s a 15 year old girl " Hank sure is the most relatable Millennial LuL
1:08:40 And its becoming more real every coming year LuL
1:10:54 Like thats ever gonna happen OMEGALUL
1:35:32 Best scene in the good ending for sure
11:36 Giraffe meat is kosher.
It's crazy how bad the "robots gain conciouness" bit is both written and executed, as in the background deviants all act like robots under new management, and the writing error of constantly trying to assert that androids are enslaved. Nobody in the game points out how deviants may be concious, while androids are still just robots. Always either or.
1:02:22 i think its supposed to be a dungeon grandpa reference, but lucas works too
detroit: become insane
48:17 holy shit this joke lmao
gonna come back cause i actually wanna play this one lol
stretched screen looks pretty bad tbh
I think a lot of people don't realize RUclips supports other aspect ratios besides 16:9. A lot of phones now are wider anyway, like newer iPhones and Samsung phones are 19.5:9 (with the Pixel being even wider at 20:9) so you could take the full 1920x1080 gameplay with a 420px wide chat next to it for 2340x1080 and it would be perfect. No stretching required.
I didnt like this game the most out of them (cagemas) because it felt like very cheap "Jesus" and "Martin Luther King" combo. Earlier games had Bad Story but this had bad Story (plot holes, plot armor) and nothing original, Just taking history, putting it on not comparable things and good to go. Other three were BS but at least you were like wtf, how he thought of that.
But Thank you for making those compilatons, I wouldnt watch indigo prophecy without that.
This is also my most hated Cage game. More than any of the rest of them, it pretends to be more than it is. And more than ever, I can see the seams of “your choices don’t matter”
I wonder if we'll get filler characters as dlc maybe like kageroza, any bounts, or Senna from the movie
Nothing bad about a political game but why would they ever try to claim this isn't one
Because a good portion of people don't want politics in their games, they want to play games to get away from that stuff. So you have it but then say you're not trying to make any sort of message, to play both sides. Watch Dogs did that too. Where they use literal references to media regarding the holocaust in marketing and the whole game is about a corrupt police surveillance state and then they come out and go "This has absolutely no correlation or relation to any events in real life at all. Any similarity is coincidental. :)"
Probably that, and I'm sure there'll be some backlash equating the struggles of black people to literal robots
@Hell_O7 that's more of what I was thinking. Simplifying slavery into a game about actual Android machines is a rough one
is the video squished?
A bit
the slight horizontal squeezing is actually a very subtle reference to how our view of humanity is *narrow* and how this affects our lives.
it's genius when you think of it like that.
Who in their right mind would edit the video to stretch the image like that?
How did Uncle Joe get the good ending?
Hank is the best thing cage has written ever
Clancy Brown did more for that character than Cage’s writing lol, so much of the good Hank and Connor content is thanks to the actors chemistry and improvisation
Is it me or can I hear his pc fan
it might be Florence
Oh please tell me he didn't buy the game twice
Great game.
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