Those who lose battles and power all feel that way. But when they give away all of our power via democractic mob "justice," it's called progressive or fascist.
I feel good about the future listening to a couple of young intelectuals like Colman and Chloè have discussuons like this. I just turned 50 last week and the future is always on my mind.
Chloe Valdary is a very interesting thinker. I also like the fact that they talk about topics that Coleman Hughes doesn't discuss that often, like spirituality, weed, art and hip-hop.
"I don't understand why there is less excellence among that community". The issue is not fewer excellent people today, it is a signal-to-noise ratio problem. There absolutely are still many excellent people, but by giving a voice to the masses we have made it harder to find the voices worth listening to. And, we don't incentivize anyone to single out the best and promote them, vs promoting the most controversial or most quotable or most attractive regardless of the value of what's between their ears. Also, thank you for a great talk. Long-form interview is sadly underappreciated.
"A deep commitment to the oneness of the human family." I love it. I love it to complete pieces and no matter how many times people will try to impugn racist or evil or nefarious motives on me for sometimes questioning fairly popular narratives; the quote - so beautifully worded by Coleman - is to complete and honest truth to all I am after.
A great discussion that enables us to separate the rational truth from the emotive nonsense. Chloe quietly demolishes the underlying falsehoods that drive many contemporary attitudes that are dividing modern society all over the world.
Hip-hop has influenced and inspired the whole entire world, West, East and indigenous. Jazz is still popular all over the world and is the foundation of a lot of electronic music today.
What a delightful conversation between two intelligent people using their mind and HEARTS to create progress. I didn't want this to end! Thank you for the intro to Chloe's work. So many gems to think about, but this one is my fave "we are having a political conversation to solve a spiritual problem". Boom!
how great and much needed this discussion is about happiness ultimately not being related to materialism, beyond covering your real basic needs. The materialism of BLM and possibly also right wing activists leads further away from where we need to go.
Your discussion concerning paradox and the beautiful complexity of the human experience reminds me of a quote I've always loved from Thoreau "Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes."
Chloe Valary was amazing. I can absolutly understand her take on smoking, I also use it to calm my mind. I dont know how many times i can or will say it but you are a very thoughtful and I really do enjoy your conversations.
Can you imagine if Coleman and Chloe had a kid together? That kid would be like, an X-Man. Professor Hughes-Valdary of the Xavier Institute, famous for answering all previously unanswered philosophical questions and accidentally instigating world peace while on MDMA during silent retreat.
This is such a fabulous interview. I don't know if it's an ideal position for me to be in, but I kinda feel the need of hearing non-white people say "hey you're OK". Then I can parade it round to my my woke white acquaintances saying "SEE? SEE? I'm OK!!!" Which is a bit tragic. But I find your interviews so encouraging. Thank you both. PS I'm not even in America, tragically.
I am 15 minutes into this conversation as I'm writing this. I have heard nothing except narcissism, arrogance, close-mindedness, and prejudice from both participants. I've heard Hughes a lot now, and everything is like that. This is the first I'm hearing Valdary. She's even worse. I have no reason to believe that either of these two have any idea about history, let alone "black" history, outside of pop culture. Dishearteningly despite being anticipated, the comments section is riddled with obsequiousness and idolization. These are not conversations, they're echo chambers.
14:25 "That's crazy to me." Moments later... "Do you know what the crux of the argument was so I can see if I can steelman it?" ... I think I have a mind crush.
Also needs to be said that it doesn’t matter how much we address “racial” inequality if we don’t address wealth inequality. Wealth inequality is driving many of these “racial” problems.
If one wants to dig deeper, one will also find that there is much nuance, and many complexities to the subject of wealth inequality. Much of it can be due to a corrupt system that inflates asset bubbles to benefit the 1%, like the Fed does. But also, much of it comes down to bad personal choices made in life. Statistically, if you do four things, it’s almost impossible to end up poor: 1) finish high school, 2) maintain a stable job, 3) don’t commit crime, and 4) don’t have kids before marriage. How many people fail to do one or two or all of those things and end up setting themselves up for poverty and thus, an unequal outcome with regards to wealth inequality in life? See, but that’s a thing many can’t mention because by nature most of us do not want to take any responsibility for our bad choices in life and it is easier to blame “those people” over there.
@@BlahBlahPoop617 Indeed. I had a choice when I was 15-16 I had to figure out a way to pay rent I was working part time and going to school and it sucked, I chose to quit school. The GED test is a joke so I don't regret that, I do regret bad choices I have since then made but I made them and live with the consequences. That being said when you grow up somewhere that has few good examples to base your decisions off of and no one is telling you these things you are at a disadvantage, we need to get families back together and jobs back to every community, that is the only way we can fix these problems.
@56 : Ife is actually original spelt in Yoruba as IFA. A major oracle in Yoruba culture, religion and folklore. As a Nigerian who grew up in Yoruba speaking-Nigeria, it was heartwarming to hear this.
"Good art has to play in the space of complexity." -Chloe Valdary I need this chiseled on a fine, marble frieze And if you need to move tout suite to your local stone mason, here it is in Latin: Ars est bonum ludere in spatio complexionem
Bright, bright, beautiful young'uns! Thanks. I wonder Chloe, might you perhaps offer five synonyms for the word "spirituality?" Such a vague term to many of us. Ife will be on the play list today you can bet. Love that island stuff. Paradox too. Peace
Very awesome discussion. I found the music conversation really interesting just because it’s not a side I had seen discussed on here before in this context.
in the alternative/punk/metal scene even for large bands the fans know that buying the merch is the way to more directly support the band financially, its a common spoken topic among the bands and the fans, its strange to hear it discussed in the hip-hop scene differently.
Thank you, this conversation is so fascinating to listen to. Just a thought, replying after pausing around 30:00 -- The belief that "material circumstances are everything" is cultivated through our industrialist-designed education system, where success is correlated with a higher chance of achieving greater material gain. That is usually implicitly and explicitly conveyed. That's how the education system incentivizes its inane programs -- "this will pay off materially, eventually, for those who master the material." But it pays off in a non-qualitative way. An A is an A. A high GPA may convert to scholarship money, and this is all quantitative. Salary is quantitative. Thus a person may advance quite far monetarily while remaining spiritually weak; in fact, that happens all the time in America. Capitalism is infinitely self-redeeming, wealth is taken as a symbol of evolution and success regardless of how much integrity and wisdom actually determined each step forward. Thus we destroy the environment out of our need for these relatively empty outward symbols of success, merely to justify the whole pre-determined scheme and establish ourselves as self-actualized, according to the context that was laid out for us. Well it's good to see young people moving out of that paradigm, possibly a result of greater empowerment through technology (having more access to varied information, having a platform, and so on.)
Coleman should read Bill Watterson’s piece on why he didn’t want to merchandize Calvin and Hobbes. Chloe’s spirituality and recognition of it as important is something Coleman is missing in his very incredible searching. The need to balance the individual and the collective is one of the constant challenges of the human experience. A degree of freedom that allows for the shifting that fighting for that balance requires. Go too far into the demand for individualism and you open up the corruptions of corporate power often ignored by libertarians. Go too far into the demand for the collective, and individuals and freedom are harmed by the demand for conformity to the authority of the group or the imbalanced philosophy that resists the reality of our need for individuality. This is what is happening on the Left, and always happens in Marxism.
James Skene, well put. Thanks, but I wonder if you’re a bit unfair to what is clearly Coleman’s quest for the divine. It may not have the religious language that resonates with you personally, but it indeed resonates with those of us who no longer use institutional language to describe the All in All. Coleman’s quest to sense the divine in all things is the most ancient quest of all civilizations. In that way he is not ‘missing’ something.
Coleman practices meditation, why would he need the divine since he is not convinced the divine exists. There is nothing wrong with being an Atheist, one can still be a passionate leader without an imaginary being that is defined and perceived in numerous conflicting ways.
the branding conversation was the most interesting to me. most of my life I've purchased based on need and quality. as I've gotten older I've done more values based purchasing. I want to buy quality items for the purpose in need them for, but I also want to use my money to support companies that are doing good things in the world with their products and resources. this is an interesting balance. However, buying for the sake of... basically worshiping the brand I believe is unhealthy.
Thank you for this talk, it afforded a great relief for me. I have secretly disliked hip hop, excluding Run-DMC, ashamed that it was sign of internalized racism. When you mention hip hop is the best thing since ... C popped into my head, and when you said Homer, it was like the clouds parted. I dislike Homer (and paradox and irony) more than I dislike hip hop. It's not that I am racist, I'm just boring.
Great podcast but I'm a bit disappointed that the Israel topic just sort of gets framed as a pro Zionist or anti Zionist topic with not even a mention of the Palestinian perspective and how do they fit into a Zionist construct. Maybe I'm missing something, and there just wasn't enough time to get deeper into the subject but it definitely left me with some questions.
Well this conversation is now part of my assembly instructions playlist. More people need to see this, amazing. EDIT: I took notes on this discussion, that is weird. Also talk more about the individual vs. the collective experience with art, music, meditation. I feel a very deep connection with these things, but also have a similar feeling about it not being improved much by adding a collective to the mix. Idk why, but I bet you could figure it out.
Such fun, nourishing and hope-generating conversation for men & women sapiens. Indeed, how interesting (and funny) that "Elohim" has morphed into "Allah," which has morphed into "Olé!" Hmm... just like "Come by Yah, my Lord" has morphed into "Coombaya," just like Leonard Cohen's "Maybe there's a God above... and I stay before the LORD of SONG, with nothing on my tongue, but hallelu jah..." has morphed into an almost traditional religious song. That'll tell us something about the branding of spirituality, too, eh? Best part of the morphing of language usage has got to be, "Ha-col Be-sseder" into "Copacetic," though. :) Be nice to watch an encore!
Great interview. I can't agree on hiphop, probably mostly just a matter of taste, possibly also lack of deep familiarity. But I also don't know that we can so easily dismiss the the art-life-imitation dynamic and the possibility that it is helping perpetuate unhelpful attitudes and life choices.
We cant. Artists are selling a gangsters dream to young street kids and the sad thing is they are becoming millionaires in the process. Even if people don't agree that young adults imitate, the culture around the music normalises and even celebrates counter productive behaviour. And even if that doesn't result in young adults committing crimes, it influences how people outside of that community or culture may treat them (police, employers etc), which in turn drives systemic racism.
It was at one point art imitating life. But - and I don't know when exactly it happened, I'm assuming sometime in the mid 2000's with social media and smartphone proliferation - it switched and now people are imitating the art at the moment. I see people in relatively suburb communities actively seeking to ghettoize their community and take on the actions they see in the media. It's damaging because most people had they not have had that influence wouldn't be acting the way they do.
I take no joy in playing the, "I'm an old bastard" card but it does strike me that many of the societal angst problems felt so strongly by many of these brilliant young people are instantly solved when they have a child.
If all the "Diversity, Equity and Inclusion" courses at colleges & companies, were suddenly magically replaced with Theory of Enchantment✨ by Chloé Valdary.. I wonder what the U.S/world conversation would look like in a year or 3.. 🤔 Just a thought provoking (perhaps fantastical) hypothetical to ponder.
I struggle to see where they're coming from with the Israel Palestine debate. Surely israel is colonising that land? And their treatment of the palestinians does constitute oppression. They're in their homeland and the land is being stolen from them
Interesting idea, to learn about the present moment and moving back through history! We can trace back how we are products of the past! Much more relevant to students this way
I definitely had the experience where I dove into contemporary literature that quoted the oldies, which got me interested in the oldies. Starting off with that stuff is real boring if you don't know how to connect it to present day.
First time I have heard of Miss Valdary and wow what a great connection these guys have. Loved every thought provoking moment. Thanks for all the insight.☘️
Chloe: “I wouldn’t wait in line for Supreme but I would wait in line for Beyoncé....I’m trying to think what you would wait in line for....?” Me: I would only wait in line for is Starbucks :)
It's possible that current material wealth has led to a spiritual problem, but wealth is just stuff. The real problem is more likely to be bad ideas. Have an alternative. Perhaps the problem is what I call the Romantic heresy-- that truth and value are to best found in human impulses. However, impulses include spite and envy and rage and self-pity, and a bad ideology will amplify those impulses. It's not that impulses are bad as such-- they're part of what people are made of, but people also have thought and self-control and the ability to see major values.
Religion as brand marketing. The paradox of meaning advertised through iconography and yet the loss of the brand without revenue. I happen to agree that meditation peddled for it's power loses my conception of it being a spiritual practice.
Becoming a fan of Coleman Hughes, but first time hearing Chloe Valdary. She's amazing!!!!
Super glad to have found you both!
I second this. I’m checking her out.
I first heard her on Dave Rubin.
Do y’all like The Fifth Column podcast? Kmele and the crew make me LOL especially the recent episode on Portland/Kenosha/Rochester
“The injustices of history is a bottomless pit”....great line.
Not only is it a bottomless pit,the injustices are continuing and will continue unabated unless we change things right now.
Those who lose battles and power all feel that way. But when they give away all of our power via democractic mob "justice," it's called progressive or fascist.
Chloe is one of the most intelligent and interesting people in these circles. Everything about her is beautiful.
Im in love with her. Amazing woman. There is hope for humanity.
Adam I said something similar today and someone said me saying it was a micro aggression. Lol
Wow, get the idolization in check.
@@carycleland9506 whoa
InstaBlaster...
I feel good about the future listening to a couple of young intelectuals like Colman and Chloè have discussuons like this. I just turned 50 last week and the future is always on my mind.
Chloe Valdary is a very interesting thinker. I also like the fact that they talk about topics that Coleman Hughes doesn't discuss that often, like spirituality, weed, art and hip-hop.
"I don't understand why there is less excellence among that community".
The issue is not fewer excellent people today, it is a signal-to-noise ratio problem. There absolutely are still many excellent people, but by giving a voice to the masses we have made it harder to find the voices worth listening to. And, we don't incentivize anyone to single out the best and promote them, vs promoting the most controversial or most quotable or most attractive regardless of the value of what's between their ears.
Also, thank you for a great talk. Long-form interview is sadly underappreciated.
"A deep commitment to the oneness of the human family." I love it. I love it to complete pieces and no matter how many times people will try to impugn racist or evil or nefarious motives on me for sometimes questioning fairly popular narratives; the quote - so beautifully worded by Coleman - is to complete and honest truth to all I am after.
What a nice break from collective hysteria. Thanks, Coleman & thank you Chloé!
Listening to Chloé Valdary makes my heart swell.
I love and appreciate both of you. Compassionate, educated, reasonable. We need so much of these qualities these days!
A great discussion that enables us to separate the rational truth from the emotive nonsense. Chloe quietly demolishes the underlying falsehoods that drive many contemporary attitudes that are dividing modern society all over the world.
There is no limit to how in love I am with the quote "art has to play in the space of paradox."
Hip-hop has influenced and inspired the whole entire world, West, East and indigenous. Jazz is still popular all over the world and is the foundation of a lot of electronic music today.
What a delightful conversation between two intelligent people using their mind and HEARTS to create progress. I didn't want this to end! Thank you for the intro to Chloe's work. So many gems to think about, but this one is my fave "we are having a political conversation to solve a spiritual problem". Boom!
I am so very thankful for these two beautiful people. They have both helped me out of some deep sadness.
Coleman's channel always makes me feel like I need to go and read a book right away.
how great and much needed this discussion is about happiness ultimately not being related to materialism, beyond covering your real basic needs. The materialism of BLM and possibly also right wing activists leads further away from where we need to go.
Chloe is a beautiful soul and masterful mind. I love her love for paradox.
Your discussion concerning paradox and the beautiful complexity of the human experience reminds me of a quote I've always loved from Thoreau "Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes."
Chloe Valary was amazing. I can absolutly understand her take on smoking, I also use it to calm my mind. I dont know how many times i can or will say it but you are a very thoughtful and I really do enjoy your conversations.
This conversation did my soul good. People are complex and we've gotten into the habit of dehumanizing "the other."
Can you imagine if Coleman and Chloe had a kid together? That kid would be like, an X-Man. Professor Hughes-Valdary of the Xavier Institute, famous for answering all previously unanswered philosophical questions and accidentally instigating world peace while on MDMA during silent retreat.
Didn't coleman say he likes men?
@@jonpanush3973 I don't know. Doesn't effect the hypothetical.
steve barns on a previous podcast with Glenn Loury he was eluding to his european vacations with his girlfriend
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This is such a fabulous interview. I don't know if it's an ideal position for me to be in, but I kinda feel the need of hearing non-white people say "hey you're OK". Then I can parade it round to my my woke white acquaintances saying "SEE? SEE? I'm OK!!!" Which is a bit tragic. But I find your interviews so encouraging. Thank you both. PS I'm not even in America, tragically.
You need to stop listening to the main stream media.
@@lisamontez9401 TBH I think it's more that I need to stop reading my FB Friends. Mainstream media in NZ isn't so bad yet.
Social media is probably one of the worst things to have ever happened to the world mentally and emotionally.
I am 15 minutes into this conversation as I'm writing this. I have heard nothing except narcissism, arrogance, close-mindedness, and prejudice from both participants. I've heard Hughes a lot now, and everything is like that. This is the first I'm hearing Valdary. She's even worse. I have no reason to believe that either of these two have any idea about history, let alone "black" history, outside of pop culture.
Dishearteningly despite being anticipated, the comments section is riddled with obsequiousness and idolization. These are not conversations, they're echo chambers.
This conversation gives me hope.
14:25 "That's crazy to me." Moments later... "Do you know what the crux of the argument was so I can see if I can steelman it?" ... I think I have a mind crush.
Thank you for directing me to Chloé Valdary’s music. Feeling blessed 🙏
Also needs to be said that it doesn’t matter how much we address “racial” inequality if we don’t address wealth inequality. Wealth inequality is driving many of these “racial” problems.
An underrated comment. Thank you!
It's always been mostly about class but a lot of people forget that.
@@QuesoGr7 Or wilfully ignore that dimension since a lot of the discussion has moved into the academic sphere. (with my cynical hat on :-)
If one wants to dig deeper, one will also find that there is much nuance, and many complexities to the subject of wealth inequality. Much of it can be due to a corrupt system that inflates asset bubbles to benefit the 1%, like the Fed does. But also, much of it comes down to bad personal choices made in life. Statistically, if you do four things, it’s almost impossible to end up poor: 1) finish high school, 2) maintain a stable job, 3) don’t commit crime, and 4) don’t have kids before marriage. How many people fail to do one or two or all of those things and end up setting themselves up for poverty and thus, an unequal outcome with regards to wealth inequality in life? See, but that’s a thing many can’t mention because by nature most of us do not want to take any responsibility for our bad choices in life and it is easier to blame “those people” over there.
@@BlahBlahPoop617 Indeed. I had a choice when I was 15-16 I had to figure out a way to pay rent I was working part time and going to school and it sucked, I chose to quit school. The GED test is a joke so I don't regret that, I do regret bad choices I have since then made but I made them and live with the consequences.
That being said when you grow up somewhere that has few good examples to base your decisions off of and no one is telling you these things you are at a disadvantage, we need to get families back together and jobs back to every community, that is the only way we can fix these problems.
“That’s the irony, is that we’re having a political conversation to address a spiritual issue.”
So insightful
I really want to thank you both for this conversation.
100% about making education relevant to kids by reading more recent stuff first. Great conversation.
this interview is fascinating and you two are so eloquent!!! I am looking to hear more of both of you!!!
@56 : Ife is actually original spelt in Yoruba as IFA. A major oracle in Yoruba culture, religion and folklore. As a Nigerian who grew up in Yoruba speaking-Nigeria, it was heartwarming to hear this.
"Good art has to play in the space of complexity." -Chloe Valdary
I need this chiseled on a fine, marble frieze
And if you need to move tout suite to your local stone mason, here it is in Latin:
Ars est bonum ludere in spatio complexionem
Thank you for having Chloe on, shes been really interesting to listen to and her thoughtfulness really shows how intelligent she is.
I love the idea of studying contemporary figures before Old/ancient ones. That resonates with my experience.
Excellent talk, I love hearing what I’m thinking said more eloquently
Coleman Hughes and Chloe Valdary , I really appreciate both of you . ( please pardon me for not liking rap )
"A deep commitment to the oneness of the human family"- YES!
I had to turn my volume all the way up on some sections of this podcast. Overall, great podcast!
“Treating the past as the present, just taking place in earlier times”...... 🧮🙇🏾
a deep commitment to the oneness of the human family
I met Chloe at a Thomas Chatterton Williams book signing in New York. She was very nice. And now I have a new band to check out.
To have opinions is to sell out to yourself. To have no opinion is to exist. To have every opinion is to be a poet.
-Fernando Pessoa (1888-1935)
Great podcast and talk so far but im 33 minutes in and ive had like 10 commercial breaks.. what's up with that?
Pay a small monthly fee for Premium and get no commercials. It's totally worth it!
I disagree with you but still believe in your eternal worthiness. I love that.
Bright, bright, beautiful young'uns! Thanks.
I wonder Chloe, might you perhaps offer five synonyms for the word "spirituality?" Such a vague term to many of us.
Ife will be on the play list today you can bet. Love that island stuff. Paradox too. Peace
Very awesome discussion. I found the music conversation really interesting just because it’s not a side I had seen discussed on here before in this context.
Chloe' is going to be my new podcast best friend. Would love to have her in my circle!
You are absolutely brilliant humans!
in the alternative/punk/metal scene even for large bands the fans know that buying the merch is the way to more directly support the band financially, its a common spoken topic among the bands and the fans, its strange to hear it discussed in the hip-hop scene differently.
Thank you, this conversation is so fascinating to listen to.
Just a thought, replying after pausing around 30:00 --
The belief that "material circumstances are everything" is cultivated through our industrialist-designed education system, where success is correlated with a higher chance of achieving greater material gain. That is usually implicitly and explicitly conveyed. That's how the education system incentivizes its inane programs -- "this will pay off materially, eventually, for those who master the material." But it pays off in a non-qualitative way. An A is an A. A high GPA may convert to scholarship money, and this is all quantitative. Salary is quantitative. Thus a person may advance quite far monetarily while remaining spiritually weak; in fact, that happens all the time in America. Capitalism is infinitely self-redeeming, wealth is taken as a symbol of evolution and success regardless of how much integrity and wisdom actually determined each step forward. Thus we destroy the environment out of our need for these relatively empty outward symbols of success, merely to justify the whole pre-determined scheme and establish ourselves as self-actualized, according to the context that was laid out for us. Well it's good to see young people moving out of that paradigm, possibly a result of greater empowerment through technology (having more access to varied information, having a platform, and so on.)
Coleman should read Bill Watterson’s piece on why he didn’t want to merchandize Calvin and Hobbes.
Chloe’s spirituality and recognition of it as important is something Coleman is missing in his very incredible searching.
The need to balance the individual and the collective is one of the constant challenges of the human experience. A degree of freedom that allows for the shifting that fighting for that balance requires. Go too far into the demand for individualism and you open up the corruptions of corporate power often ignored by libertarians. Go too far into the demand for the collective, and individuals and freedom are harmed by the demand for conformity to the authority of the group or the imbalanced philosophy that resists the reality of our need for individuality. This is what is happening on the Left, and always happens in Marxism.
James Skene, well put. Thanks, but I wonder if you’re a bit unfair to what is clearly Coleman’s quest for the divine. It may not have the religious language that resonates with you personally, but it indeed resonates with those of us who no longer use institutional language to describe the All in All. Coleman’s quest to sense the divine in all things is the most ancient quest of all civilizations. In that way he is not ‘missing’ something.
Typical Petersonian drivel
@@seal869 explain
Coleman practices meditation, why would he need the divine since he is not convinced the divine exists. There is nothing wrong with being an Atheist, one can still be a passionate leader without an imaginary being that is defined and perceived in numerous conflicting ways.
Chloe is awesome!
I'm adding "interesting, ok.' to my vocabulary.
I love that her biggest critique of capitalism was that it makes people’s lives too good !! 🇺🇸
With a hole at the center.
Instant like for Hughes.
the branding conversation was the most interesting to me. most of my life I've purchased based on need and quality. as I've gotten older I've done more values based purchasing. I want to buy quality items for the purpose in need them for, but I also want to use my money to support companies that are doing good things in the world with their products and resources. this is an interesting balance. However, buying for the sake of... basically worshiping the brand I believe is unhealthy.
Thank you both
Thank you for this talk, it afforded a great relief for me. I have secretly disliked hip hop, excluding Run-DMC, ashamed that it was sign of internalized racism. When you mention hip hop is the best thing since ... C popped into my head, and when you said Homer, it was like the clouds parted. I dislike Homer (and paradox and irony) more than I dislike hip hop. It's not that I am racist, I'm just boring.
you like what you like. never feel shame for that
Great convo
Great podcast but I'm a bit disappointed that the Israel topic just sort of gets framed as a pro Zionist or anti Zionist topic with not even a mention of the Palestinian perspective and how do they fit into a Zionist construct. Maybe I'm missing something, and there just wasn't enough time to get deeper into the subject but it definitely left me with some questions.
Because it was a pretty shallow discussion overall...they both lack depth, exploratory thinking,
Behave in society ,in diverse cultures and good things can happen
Well this conversation is now part of my assembly instructions playlist. More people need to see this, amazing. EDIT: I took notes on this discussion, that is weird. Also talk more about the individual vs. the collective experience with art, music, meditation. I feel a very deep connection with these things, but also have a similar feeling about it not being improved much by adding a collective to the mix. Idk why, but I bet you could figure it out.
Lol I feel that about the note taking
She's amazing
Such fun, nourishing and hope-generating conversation for men & women sapiens. Indeed, how interesting (and funny) that "Elohim" has morphed into "Allah," which has morphed into "Olé!" Hmm... just like "Come by Yah, my Lord" has morphed into "Coombaya," just like Leonard Cohen's "Maybe there's a God above... and I stay before the LORD of SONG, with nothing on my tongue, but hallelu jah..." has morphed into an almost traditional religious song. That'll tell us something about the branding of spirituality, too, eh? Best part of the morphing of language usage has got to be, "Ha-col Be-sseder" into "Copacetic," though. :)
Be nice to watch an encore!
Great interview.
I can't agree on hiphop, probably mostly just a matter of taste, possibly also lack of deep familiarity. But I also don't know that we can so easily dismiss the the art-life-imitation dynamic and the possibility that it is helping perpetuate unhelpful attitudes and life choices.
We cant. Artists are selling a gangsters dream to young street kids and the sad thing is they are becoming millionaires in the process. Even if people don't agree that young adults imitate, the culture around the music normalises and even celebrates counter productive behaviour. And even if that doesn't result in young adults committing crimes, it influences how people outside of that community or culture may treat them (police, employers etc), which in turn drives systemic racism.
It was at one point art imitating life. But - and I don't know when exactly it happened, I'm assuming sometime in the mid 2000's with social media and smartphone proliferation - it switched and now people are imitating the art at the moment. I see people in relatively suburb communities actively seeking to ghettoize their community and take on the actions they see in the media. It's damaging because most people had they not have had that influence wouldn't be acting the way they do.
I love the shout out to Ife. I had to pause and listen to their music and I was not let down.
I take no joy in playing the, "I'm an old bastard" card but it does strike me that many of the societal angst problems felt so strongly by many of these brilliant young people are instantly solved when they have a child.
That was an awesome conversation. Really enjoyed it. Thank you.
it's nice to have people closer to my own generation in the conversation
edit: oh fuck Coleman is the same age as me, I gotta get my act together
I never comment on RUclips videos but holy smokes Coleman Is quickly becoming my go to thought leader
we need more content like this
If all the "Diversity, Equity and Inclusion" courses at colleges & companies, were suddenly magically replaced with Theory of Enchantment✨ by Chloé Valdary.. I wonder what the U.S/world conversation would look like in a year or 3.. 🤔 Just a thought provoking (perhaps fantastical) hypothetical to ponder.
Your inrto. music makes me dance every time!
I struggle to see where they're coming from with the Israel Palestine debate. Surely israel is colonising that land? And their treatment of the palestinians does constitute oppression. They're in their homeland and the land is being stolen from them
Interesting idea, to learn about the present moment and moving back through history! We can trace back how we are products of the past! Much more relevant to students this way
Maybe because hardship and trials are the purifying fires which grow one’s character, strengthen one’s principles, and deepen one’s spirituality?
I definitely had the experience where I dove into contemporary literature that quoted the oldies, which got me interested in the oldies. Starting off with that stuff is real boring if you don't know how to connect it to present day.
There needs to be a whole podcast dedicated to what she’s talking about at 29:00
You Two Are Absolutely Awesome
hey everyone please like the videos he posts that you like because then he will get more notice in recommended videos!
Wow some really good points here 👏👍
I love Chloé !
First time I have heard of Miss Valdary and wow what a great connection these guys have. Loved every thought provoking moment. Thanks for all the insight.☘️
Chloe: “I wouldn’t wait in line for Supreme but I would wait in line for Beyoncé....I’m trying to think what you would wait in line for....?”
Me: I would only wait in line for is Starbucks :)
omg yes 2 people i wanted to get together ...get together!!! dreams do come true!
thank you
It's possible that current material wealth has led to a spiritual problem, but wealth is just stuff. The real problem is more likely to be bad ideas.
Have an alternative. Perhaps the problem is what I call the Romantic heresy-- that truth and value are to best found in human impulses. However, impulses include spite and envy and rage and self-pity, and a bad ideology will amplify those impulses. It's not that impulses are bad as such-- they're part of what people are made of, but people also have thought and self-control and the ability to see major values.
Fantastic conversation!
Love her. Great talk
Dude may I have this dance was such a beautiful fun song
Religion as brand marketing. The paradox of meaning advertised through iconography and yet the loss of the brand without revenue.
I happen to agree that meditation peddled for it's power loses my conception of it being a spiritual practice.
Great conversation.
54:48 Boring art makes me think of apartment complexes where every building is beige. Or a row of houses that are built exactly the same.
Is there a link to that Dershowitz debate mentioned at 37:00?
I’m unable to find the Weed and Wisdom podcast on Apple Podcasts. Does anyone know where else it may be? Thanks. Love the Enchantment podcast😊🧡
God damn this conversation is so stimulating that i forgot i had a smartphone
She is a brilliant interesting woman
wow.... a female version of Coleman... soulful, brilliant..
She's speaking for herself when it comes to the weed. I eat edibles and I'm a borderline nutcase.
and smoking it only lasts a minute - wtf?
@@crystallogician what? No it has a different effect on me mate. Don't be a prick.
@@13lochie I was agreeing with you that she's speaking for herself. She said when smoking it that the high only lasts a minute.
@@crystallogician Lol fucks sake. I was high and took it the wrong way. Take it easy my dude. Sorry for being a dick.