I’ve Had ENOUGH. The Supra FAILED me AGAIN.
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- Опубликовано: 29 июл 2023
- We spent the weekend at Round 3 of Hotpit and this is our first time competing with the Supra on the West coast. As you know we have had our troubles with the supra and trying to retain the stock ECU and have made great progress! But after this weekend, my plans and intentions with this car have officially changed.
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Dillon is such a good friend he tells you exactly what you need to do and then you fuck up and he's still proud of you and tells you what you need to do next time... "Let's focus on positives" 🥰
He literally always says that... such a gem
Dillon - I was on the fence in the early days as to how this guy was gonna fit in... but seriously, such a solid dude and so diverse and knowledgeable from everything between fabrication skills to coaching (would love to see HIS driving skills) to goon-like goofey humor... RESPECT (and he can draw! note the tight lines on that track diagram 💯)
@@albinofrankengorilla5319 there's a video on clips channel
Definitely voting for standalone, the B58 + stock gearbox is a cool and unique setup and it would be awesome to keep the car that way
Might be possible with a standalone ECU.
I'm really interested in the B58 as a performance platform, i think you just really need to set it up on a haltech and it will remove all of the electrical gremlins that are throwing you into limp mode. only other thing that might need sorting is the steering rack.
Going into this you made a big point about developing and pioneering the platform, these failures are just that... as a b58 owner I don't want to see this project die, but maybe this development shouldn't be mixed with a full time comp car . That being said, I think it would be cool to stick with it, or at least run a standalone ecu on the b58, I know the engine is as easily capable as the others you mentioned
Papadakis Racing does it just fine with the B58. Just part of the process.
I vote for a standalone ecu to begin with, the engine itself has potential! Maybe swap to a different rack? If there isn't some way to control it, with a standalone etc.
You can still control the electric power steering through a stand alone
@@Superior_DBSwhat if he goes to a mechanical power steering rack ? If even possible
@@jovo21 I haven’t found any mechanical replacements for a a90 Supra but maybe there’s an aftermarket option for that, who knows
easiest route would def be a standalone and talking to the teams who run these cars in fd and see if theyd be willing to give some knowledge on it.
The team that runs this motor in FD has 2 spare motors on stands, because they have to swap motors when they have an issue. Plus they have full backing from Toyota. It’s not cost effective as an individual to run for a competition car. LS’s are the most cost effective thing to run. It’s just how it ends up.
Hed have to talk to papadakis
@@twhite.productions yea pap did a interview on the challenges of these engines / electronics when working with freddy's FD.
@@wundo9372 i done seens that it was a good vid
@@jd2rs Go with Steve Morris stage 2 LS. Whipple supercharger for immediate reliable power. Have cletus introduce you. He makes really reliable engines and will personally set you up. Especially since you are in the cleetus caliber online presence. Win Win Win!!!! I personallyy see haltech doing good things with ECU's Motec is also good. Steve usesd them alot. Motec is pricey. Have a talk with Cleetus and see what he thinks about steve getting in touch with you. You became a success so you can develop those industry connections. Cleetus is your boy and steve is in the same online/ custom reliable build. Might as well develop those good connections.
As with a lot of the comments I'm seeing, I think a standalone and sticking with the b58 would be the best. I'm not sure how it would work out as nobody does, but developing on the platform rather than giving up is the best way to keep moving forward rather than quitting and putting a LS in it.
The edit when you passed the first cone on the practice session made me spit water all over my computer! Haha good stuff!
What about an Aftermarket ECU for the supra and continue to run the B58 and manual? I know MoteC is insane, but if it could work, it might be a good option to keep stock drive line without a major overhaul.
Still doesn’t fix the PS issue.
@@MechanicalMafiosothat's a problem no matter what route he takes.. granted I have no idea if they make a hydro pump mount for a b58..
@@ShaunKroon going with an LS and a manual or BMW rack is simple, lots of aftermarket support. And of those options the LS is the most reliable of them, hence why so many people run them. The KISS acronym comes to mind. When it’s a comp car, that’s really what matters. If it’s a show car and reliability is irrelevant then keep it OEM. Again, there’s a reason so many people swap for a LS.
Theres no standalone motec for Supras
@@MechanicalMafioso Yes it does, the ecu is the entire reason for every single issue he is having. and it's not like LS swapping it would fix a fucking steering rack
I hope you can use standalone ECU. So you can use stock drivetrain
I was gonna say that too. Rip out the electronics and go standalone. The engine is good.
Engine is good.... LS is great!
TJ your doing great!!! Don't beat urself up. The car will have issues. There will always be issues. Keep your head up and think positively. "Keep Moving Forward"
Look at how bulletproof a new/ independent ecu is compared to the ultra reliable LS. I’ve watched for seven years now and I’ve been waiting for a real LS build. Keep your head up and frustration down. Your awesome tj.
Why don’t you go stand-alone ecu to eliminate the safeties? It will be a lot better than engine swapping. Or at least, get an ecu like an Haltech that, if for some reason doesn’t work, you can still use it for the engine swap.
YES
You realize those safeties are there to keep the engine from BLOWING UP! Boosted cars melt pistons ridiculously fast with either high IAT’s or high EGT’s… 🤦♂️
There’s a lot more issues than just the ECU. The dudes that use this engine for drifting do a crazy amount of work to it. Go watch Stephen Papadakis
@stephenjohnson9235 power steering has nothing to do with the engine .
@@MechanicalMafiosobut using a aftermarket ECU they still allow safety’s just able to control them
I was there this weekend and I definitely felt your disappointment and completely understand your decision on the car's future. I think putting your spare 2j in there and tuning it down to 400-500 hp would be the most immediately convenient and would make the most sense as it is a supra lol, but I cant blame you for wanting to put an ls in and be done with it. The 2j could be pretty good reliability-wise, but an ls is probably more promising as I know you just want to be done with the problems. I wanted to see you win yesterday and we know you are more than capable of it. Its a pretty good feeling even as a viewer and you absolutely deserve it.
The sun beating down past the wing on the the smoke looked mad icl
The biggest thing holding you back is the stock ECU go standalone or custom harness so you have real control over the car. If not def go built JZ in the supra it’s only right
So stoked to hear an LS swap!!
I think you should try run the Supra on an aftermarket ECU to see how it is. Honestly Ls or Jz in the Supra would be amazing, but I kind of leaning toward jz more since you already of the engine and it’s a proven engine package with the chassis.
"proven engine package with the chassis", the LS would more than likely be fine, doubt it needs to be proven.
exactly 2j is amazing
Tj im gonna be fully honest I love how unique you are with your builds, but im personally a ls guy and you said it best its just the best simple and reliable setup. Whatever you decide is gonna be sick. Keep kicking ass!
I definitely think it’s time to go on a full stand-alone and simplify the car 👌🏽
Keep the B58 swap all electronics.. Talk to papadakis racing about what things to keep in mind with that engine.
motec(other ecu brand would work)/custom intake for port injection/direct injectors block off
@@sniperzdb09 Word!
What he should done with a comp car from the start these factory ecus freak out with that much going on. Stand alone b58 combo been proven by papadakis 🔥
It's about that time for an LS build tj style
If anything, that built JZ in Florida will be it 👌
@@NicheEscape why? He’s irritated about the reliability. In that regard the LS beats the F out of a JZ…🤦♂️
@stephenjohnson9235 because it's already there, waiting to be put into something and as far as getting the car done and tested, it's the quickest way. I don't mind an LS, built LS3 with a fat supercharger is gunna have my attention but damn the JZ just has this way about it you can't ignore.
is the A90 a better chassis than a C6?
@@NicheEscape Because it’s already there does nothing to help out the reliability of his COMP CAR. That’s literally his one and only issue… An LS would correct that issue. Plain and simple, dead reliable. I like 2J’s as much as the next guy. That said there’s a reason they’re not as pervasive in formula D as LS’s are. On top of that, you can build a relatively mild 600hp NA LS that’ll live for damn near ever. Let’s see a JZ do that NA and be reliable.
fun and exotic and one offs are great for daily and projects. This at the end of the day is a work car. It needs to work. If LS swap is what gets you there, DO IT. The time effort and money spent on trying new stuff on a car you need to be consistent is being thrown out the window. Go with what works, and let the driver skill shine. Love the channel boys!
Man I am the furthest thing from a BMW fan but that B58 is something special. Do a standalone and keep it in.
i love to see that your drifting getting better by every year . much respect man !
Aasbo is also using the b58 for his in FD, Id say stand alone ecu and go from there. Keep the original contents that car came with!
His engine is not even remotely close to stock either. So a stand alone ECU won’t fix his high IAT and EGT issues causing limp mode, it’ll just end up melting pistons. Aasbo’s engine is fully built and would take months to acquire parts to build something comparable. An LS would be super quick as part availability isn’t even comparable. That’ll also allow him to run NA which will eliminate all IAT/EGT issues as it’ll be an NA engine. No turbo, no IAT or EGT or lag issues.. Maybe not the coolest thing to do, but that’s exactly why there’s so many LS’s in Formula D, they just work and live for ever if built properly.
@@MechanicalMafioso Just a opinion man, he stated to just comment down ideas thats what we are doing is giving him suggestions. But yes to your comment, im sure the team know what they are doing nonetheless
@@MechanicalMafiosoall you've said is "aasbo's team has done the work and TJ doesn't want to " ....... it takes months to swap a car and properly work out all the kinks .
@@jordangarneau8817 for an LS swap? 🤣 LS swap could get done in a week. Pretty sure there’s a bunch of info on doing a LS swap, literally the easiest in the world to do. Support for just about any combination is there. Want engine mounts? No problem someone makes them. Want tunes everyone and their brother can tune an LS. Need parts? Also everywhere. I fail to see the issue.
Checkout SIKKY they’ve got an entire LS swap kit for the Supra MKIV
$2,700 even includes trans mount and HD driveshaft. Just add an LS and ECU, Radiator and time.
@@jordangarneau8817 Well no shit not everything is gonna go fast and smooth as planned. Thats why its called trust the process. Aasbo team has done it so the b58 is more than capable and any other person can do the same. Will it be costly, sure it will but its part of the game.
The wheel tyre sizing on the supra is perfect. Bring back chunky sidewalls!
tj has really turned into a wheelman and im here for it!
Ls3 with a supercharger and a sequential gear box. I feel that's a great option as bad as I'd like to see the b58 work.
Sequential is a waste in drifting. Other than a “look at how much money I have” flex, they provide no advantage at all and are more temperamental to dial in. There is a reason why the pro scene has started going away from them and are going back to tradition H pattern even in their personal track cars.
Why overbuild?
@@MrYetti 4 speed Nascar dogboxes aren't exactly "traditional H pattern" transmissions. lol.
I think it is time for a LS build on the channel honestly. So hyped for that
Factual, we need supercharged bald eagle supra
Your first practice run was sick!
JZ Build! You can def tune it powerful enough to compete and low enough to be reliable
LS IT IS MY GUY !! Do what’s best for you and the team in competition don’t leave it up to us . This build is what’s best for you guys in the end .
The way you adapted every round and did better and better let's us see your the real deal !!!💪🏻
LS baby!!!! Finally!!! I can’t wait!!
The corvette chase was sick af.
TJ lets go for that LS I always wanted to see an LS swapped Supra.With an LS you would get eassy W. You did great
Awesome video as always TJ Hunt and Crew. TJ which ever motor you choose wether it's a LS or a JZ or you choose to keep the current one just choose which ever fits your style of driving.
The engine makes good reliable power, it's just the components controlling everything else that keeps hiccuping.
I would swap to traditional steering rack over the electric and drop in a sequential and a standalone ecu and call it a day 😁👍
really hoping he goes this route
You do realize the high IAT’s and EGT’s that are the root of his limp mode issues end up melting pistons if the root issue isn’t addressed. A stand alone ECU does nothing to address the root cause of high temps. Hell just end up melting pistons constantly until those issue are corrected.
@@MechanicalMafioso oh 😬😬
@@hypr64 yeah, look at the front nose of a Supra. Practically no where for air to move through it. Definitely a known issue. He’d have to butcher the F out of the front of it with aftermarket intercoolers etc. would be a Huge pain to fix properly. Or he could just do a nasty NA LS build and problem is solved. Remove the turbo and those issues go away. A JZ swap would still have the same issues as their obviously a turbo engine. It’s not so much a B58 issue as it is a air movement/heat issue. Removing the turbo removes that issue.
@stephenjohnson9235 he had a power steering issue. How's that engine related?
Dang Teej, I always say it but your drivings come so far in the last few years! It’s so sick to see you out there killing it in a big boy car!
Edit, dang should’ve waited till the end of the video 😅 the failure sucks but I can’t wait to see this machine get even badder! The LS is the way to go 😈
VHR fully built and maxed with a supercharger. I’ve been seeing a lot of DE’s swapped in cars but randomly seeing a VHR fully built and pushing a solid 600hp in a mk5 would be sick and different 100%!
A LS will change your life TJ! So hyped to see a V8 build
Hell yes, finally some drifting on the main channel again😎
how much i love the b58, i would love to see a supercharged ls3, i think the screaming of a supercharger in the mk5 would sound sick
Me personally tj thinking that starting with the jz would be better for you financially and if you don’t like the feel of the jz or if it happens to break parts aren’t gonna be as cheap so what am thinking is that you should get a feel of the jz before going all out for the Ls swap
DONT GIVE UP ON THE B58 TJ !!
Try to sort out the problems ASAP. If it leads to a dead end, then take matters to your own hands 🫡
(🏁Ls7 or 2jZ PAPA🎉🏁).
Keep b58 with standalone
Standalone for direct injection is still not on the market, as far as i know. He will have to go port injection only for this to work 🤷🏻♂️, which is a lot more hassle than needed
A Motec standalone would solve all the issues. Papadakis would be a great help or any other Motec certified shop with good experience. Heck, just contact Motec and they might hook you up as a sponsor.
The Motec can communicate with all the car electronics through CAN and keep it happy even if the engine blew up.
No limp modes or freaking out sensors while keeping A/C, headunit, and dash happy. Not to mention all the added benefits of a standalone like logging, adjust tuning on the fly, multiple maps, nitrous, E85/race gas and so on.
Stand alone ECU would probably be the best route considering the amount of time and custom fab an LS would cost you. Plus the downtime not being able to use the comp car if it’s just sitting. B58 is a competitive motor for sure. With you as a driver and your amazing team it can definitely win championships. We’re proud of you Teej. keep moving forward!
b58 is an amazing motor...... you should work together with a shop to make a custom harness and do a standalone ecu. It is the best option
I'd personally prefer the JZ but totally understand why you go the more reliable route
LS Baby! Cheaper and more potential. Plus it will be great content and the sound coming from a new Supra would be nuts
A LS would be dope don't get me wrong. but you have a BUILT 2J!! I think it would so cool to finally see that in a car especially the A90. obviously do what you think is best and keep up the great work!!!!
Keep the b58 and manual
Another vote for B58 with a standalone. I think the engine is fine. I think the BMW DME parameters are bull$hitting on you and causing these problems.
I agree. B58 is already a proven engine. Just look at Papadakis
Aftermarket ECU.... Asboo has the engine figured out!! You need a new engine management that allows you to delete alot of the stock electrical system.
My personal opinion about swapping it is that it is probably a better option to ls swap it as much as I love the JZ I always seem to find that it just has reliability problems and considering you are in the US there is just generally a lot more support for v8's and stuff so it would make everything a lot more simple in the grand schema of things
The problem with the steering rack is a known problem, that's why the angle kit already suggested a E90 rack to get rid of this electronic rack.
The B58 has proven its reliability for street performance, but since there is less air through the front while drifting, that's probably a big problem with the cooling system.
I'd like to see a big overhaul of the supra, but also it would be nice to leave the original engine. So you should decide, i will watch the videos somehow or other.
Im all for TJ doing his own LS, keep the stock stuff in storage just incase, it cant hurt to venture down a new route! Or at least try!
Dude we want you to rip it and killing it on the track. Don't care what engine you have, just have a monster reliable build and get the wins TJ
Yall came out to my home track in ghetto ass sanbernardino. Glad you didn't get mugged.
Damn TJ that was some killer driving.
i think that a simpler system is a good idea, but im not sure a LS is a good fit for your team. you have built a great team and further surrounding support that have a tighter handle on something like a 2J (although personally i would love to see you throw out the bmw next year and pick up a S-chassis with a RB)
The LS is no more complicated than a 2j and it's not like they cant get help with it as its a very common engine.. " S-chassis with a RB" so a generic chassis, he wanted to use the Supra so he could use his kit and be somewhat unique stylistically.. If the LS isn't a great fit, how is the RB any better.
LS is the easy way out, 2JZ…100k on a body kit. You can build a pro spec JZ
I'm also more inclined to build the supra with an aftermarket ECU, something like Haltech maybe, that way you can maintain the soul of the supra (its whole drivetrain) and also be controlling all that stuff that's meant for street use instead of track use.
How about you do the track supra thing of getting an upgraded intake manifold to correct your IATs (EOS>CSF>AMS) then go standalone if it continues to have issues. Stock manifold heat soaks easily. B58 will be bulletproof at 500-600. As far as the ECU you'll have to go standalone with any swap as well anyways.
Just watching the tj clips and this pops up ❤
I say go LS and be happy with a reliable setup instead of having all the headaches everytime you go to competitions. Not only that but the accessibility of parts if something does break.
Like the B58 isn't already an extremely reliable engine...
Although, a 7 litre LS engine would be a lot stronger and would be way easier to make power, than the original 3 litre
Baller LS setup!
Go LS.....great vid like always. keep it up
LSA with a whipple would be so sick in the supra ! 👍👌 💘 roots blower for that constant boosted power that's always there . Buy once cry once !👍
Finally TJ is going to step his game up by doing an LS build!
I would love to see this B58 work, since it’s still fairly new platform. I remember you mentioned something about Papadakis racing helping you out. I could of misheard this. However a collaboration or asking for help with Papadakis racing would be cool.
Sorry TJ what this was dope. I feel you man.
Is there anyway u can use a standalone ecu?
Sure, but does nothing to fix the high IAT/EGT issues he’s having that are the root of his limp mode issues. All that’ll accomplish is melted pistons.
Seems like you could just put an ecu on it and no more limp mode problems. Then youd still be on the reliable stock drivetrain you initially set out to run.
Doesn’t fix the REAL issues that are causing the safeties to trip. High IAT’s and High EGT’s melt pistons in damn near the blink of an eye. Does nothing for the reliability and will certainly make the issues even worse.
@@MechanicalMafiosotell me you know nothing about a stand-alone without telling me… you can still have every safety under the sun in terms of engine management in a standalone system… the benefit to going to a stand-alone system is you can set the parameters to everything and remove the limitations setting it into limp mode for the steering. The cooling system is an easier fix if that was the only issue he was having but it isn’t the only thing going wrong.
@@MrYetti 🤣🤣🤣 Tell me you know nothing about how turbo engines work or how engines work in general without telling me… DA!!! Those safety’s are there for a reason on turbo cars…. DAMFER! 🤦♂️
@@MrYetti maybe look into what high IAT’s or high EGT’s will do to an engine specifically pistons! That’s why it’s going into limp mode, the front of a Supra has jack for air flow…. Now smart guy, tell me how a stand alone is going to correct said heat issues besides turning a blind eye to it. Which if you didn’t know will end up with holes in pistons if the heat issue isn’t fixed. So again how exactly is a stand alone going to fix that? 🤨🧐
@@MechanicalMafioso my god you are dense as a damn wall… one quick scroll and I can see you just replied to everyone over and over copy/paste. You are like a kid who just learned what IAT and EGT is and it is now your whole identity. Keep on googling buddy.
LS is easier to drive, tune, and maintain than a JZ. I like the idea of B58 on stand-alone but you’d need to support to get it setup properly and tuned
Please go LS you are a very talented driver and you need the reliability. Also great build series for us to watch
Just go LS, whatever is most reliable and will put you in the best situation for competition. Whatever you build Teej we will watch..
You’re here to win and takeover
The b58 is just a reliable.. it’s the better 2jz.. he just needs to put it on a stand alone. Aasbo is a fd champion using that engine
@@cordelldejager 🤣🤣🤣🤣
TJ why changing the B58? Swap all the eletronics!
Tbh, almost everyone says that the b58>2JZ so why changing the engine when you can upgrade it to be a monster🙃 Give it some thought
Exactly what i said.. aasbo uses the b58 in fd.. he is a champion with that engine.. just put it on a stand alone ECU🤷🏽♂️
@@cordelldejagerThat's true! And he never had some real issue with it! B58 is a beast and I would never swap that engine with a LS!!! Maybe a JZ but hardly
if you want reliable go for the ls but spice it up a bit with a turbsky and a link ecu v8 has alot of bottom end torque you wont regret it love youre content all the way from south africa doing great keep making content
Go LS, its your car at the end of the day so do what you want, everyone is just here do watch your automotive journey
its really a surprise to see you and jimmy choosing ls over jz. with all your jdm roots and all. but if something works i understand the decision. for competition sake you need reliability. i just loved adams 2jz e36 so much. well i hope whatever you decide works. and good luck to all of you in future comps..
One word RELIABILITY! JZ isn’t even close.
Adam’s jz e36 is overbuilt to the moon and back for the power it is making though. It is hella turned down compared to the well over 1k whp it can be putting down. That is the only reason that car is as reliable as it is and even then, he had a lot of growing pains to get it there.
@@MrYetti oh i get it. thats why i said i understood. but we are also here to voice opinion. and i stand by the fact that adams jz e36 was probably sicker than any ls e36 i have seen built. just my opinion as a spectator and fan. im not the driver. tj is. and if they decide on an ls im sure he will crush it regardless. our boy has talent.
@@MechanicalMafioso oh i understand. and thats what i said. doesnt make it cooler tho. but our boy will crush it regardless how he builds it.
Try some coolers first on the off season then switch up. The car performs great. Almost looked like how a 350z would compete stock in terms of reliability.
Love the look of the Supra but this is why I was saying c6 with LS from the get go
I’ve always wanted to see you do a nasty LS build. I don’t think you’ll regret it one bit.
I would love to see you in a JZ keeping that Supra DNA in that car
Yes pls put the jz in it, it’s just right
The LS with NOS would probably be the most reliable option imo. And we need a LS build on the channel.
LS, you’ll be thankful for the reliability and ease once it’s finished
Don’t give up on the B58 so quick man it’s a new platform everyone’s still learning somewhere they’ll be the help you need to get this right
TJ just chill... no need to rip out everything when the only problem you have is ECU. And your easy fix is standalone. Simple.
The power , the engine i mean everything else looked great. Keep B58!
LS = boring. You know it.
I would love to see you guys do an LS for the supra. Honestly would love if you guys did more LS builds 🔥
403ci LS with a harrop 2650, all the torque and power on tap 👌🏻
LS, would love to see TJ put his spin on it.
I think either a texas speed 427 or a LSX 454 would sound beautiful as well as perform perfectly. I’m leaning towards the LSX 😊
JZ maaaaaan! Keep a Supra a Supra! You said it yourself. Almost everyone is running LS. JZ ftw!
high compression (9.4:1 Series 4 FC NA rotors) turbocharged 20B. All of the power, all of the response, plenty of torque, reliability where it matters most, be one of the few, show up Adam's 4 rotor supra
Same as similar comments but surely you could just do a standalone ECU with that motor? As you said, it’s mainly ECU and electronic issues… surely having a stand-alone would limit that and would mean, you have more control over the car and what it does🤷🏼♂️
Why spend more money to get another engine setup when you have a whole jz sitting that you already spent the money on to get it built?
Because B58 >
Because sponsors
Make the b58 work.. just put it in a stand alone🤷🏽♂️ aasbo is also using the b58 in fd.. it basically is the new 2JZ. If u really want to swap the engine, do the 2JZ it keeps in the spirit of the supra. A LS would really ruin it for me tbh
He has Papadakis Racing, one of the best teams on the planet tho
I agree 👍 make it work!! Be worth it
@@BarbWaltersMusic well yeah vut that’s only to build the engine. TJ doesn’t need to build the engine, nothing is wrong with the engine he just needs to upgrade the cooling and get it on a stand alone. It would still be all stock but just on a stand alone to get rid of the electronic problems the stock ecu is giving him
B58 ecutec fuel a upgraded stock turbo ? I’m do use to seeing this pmatform go straight I was enjoying seeing where you could take it with the factory block
Be different and throw a 5.0 Coyote, like what's in the RTR mustangs. Check with Adam and get his honest thoughts on it? Also seeing you shred with the supra when it's working is absolutely siiiiiiiiiick. Love the work Tj !