Could A-10, F-14 or F-15E Have Won The WWII Operation Tidal Wave Raid? (WarGames 200) | DCS
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- Today we look at the 1943 Operation Tidal Wave during World War II. It was considered proportionally America's mostly costly bombing raid of the war. We re-run the raid but using 1980's aircraft as the bombers, which will fair best?
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0:00 Intro
0:10 History
2:14 Scenario Overview
3:11 Example Of WWII Bombing Raid Being Attacked
7:40 Scenario Details
9:33 Predictions
10:30 A-10A/C
24:37 F-14B Tomcat
30:14 F-15E Strike Eagle
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How About 1 Modern US CVBG Versus The Center Force Off Samar??? That Would Be Interesting!!
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@@grimreapersfyi, we can read Wikipedia so you don’t have to.
Modern vs historical ship battles never turn out as interesting as you would want them to, since it pretty much always comes down to "modern ship fires all its missiles and wipes out 2/3 of the enemy fleet, then sails into gun range and gets absolutely destroyed".
"Could Godzilla have made a difference at Pearl Harbour? 🤔"
i do belieeve godzilla would be supreamly pissed off at nazis 🔧🤬
Depends on the version, I suppose.
This!
Probably an expensive mod in DCS
@@AxiGaming2026 But would it be classed as a warship or Combined Arms...
LOL at Jester saying "Bandit! ME-109!" I doubt any F-14 RIO said that in real life.
They did engage with A6m Zero's before Pearl Harbour
@@ivorharden Heh, they should've made Final Countdown 2, Battle of Britain edition.
@@ivorharden That movie is a blast.
I bet Jester was very confused 😂
@@ivorharden Really? They had F-14s in the air at the time?
I’m doubting this for … some reason.
A-10 run was exciting. Simba reminds me of this legendary guy we knew back in my USN days named Flath. Guy was made of Teflon. Joke was "Flath could fall in a pit of d---ks and come out sucking his thumb."
.... I didn't make up the joke.
hahahah funny story. thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching
4:41 Imagine the bravery to keep pushing through a flak cloud like that in a straight line knowing you still have to back with fighters attacking you
Imagine flak being that accurate.
@@sdghtjsdcgsaccuracy by volume😂
The average life expectancy of a bomber crew back in WWII was two to three weeks. It was pretty bad early on in the war because allied forces kept sending their bombers into Europe without fighter escort. A lot of fighters just didnt have the range to go all the way and back with the bombers till later in the war.
the 98 th bomber group had to deal with a train with 15 rail cars fully of gun when they came in to bomb …. they where at 200 ft and most of them. where shot up before they where able to take the train out…
nearly 100 rounds a second, that's like a fire bell but every "ding" is a potentially deadly explosion.
The real attack is one of my father's first memories. He was there, a todler, said the sky was glowing orenge.
As you're recreating WWII actions, I wonder if it would be possible to recreate the air battle described by Roald Dahl in his autobiography, when his squadron of 12 Hawker Hurricanes was jumped by somewhere around 150 Luftwaffe aircraft. From what I remember, Dahl described a formation flight over Athens to boost civilian morale, with their one measly squadron of the last Allied fighters in Greece, when suddenly there were German aircraft everywhere -- BF109s, Bf110s, even Ju-87s and Ju-88s. Dahl escaped and landed, then walked around the plane marveling at what seemed like hundreds of holes. I always wondered how a squadron of F-16s would do, or more modern aircraft.
It wouldn't even be close. Any modern fighter aircraft can go faster, higher with more power to weight ratio not to mention beyond LOS weapons. It's like wondering how a toddler would do against Mike Tyson.
@@PRC533 You completely misunderstood his question.
Simba with the dogfight kill on the 109 with an A-10 was the highlight for me!! Just that wall of flak was a sight to see. I have the greatest respect for those bomber crews that braved that nonsense day in and day out. Great flying as always Grim Reapers!!
if you close your eyes you can't see the flak. If you can't see the flak then it doesn't exist lol. thanks for the kind words and thanks for watching.
@@simba1113 My absolute pleasure sir!! Thank you very much for flying!! Also, thank you for regularly replying to comments, I shit you not, getting a reply on a comment from the People’s Champ is like getting a high five front row at your from your favorite band!! Seriously, to this and probably many other viewingtons, Simba, Super Cap, Matrix, Grumpmeister, literally too many of you to name in the comments, you are all rockstars, and a great many folks appreciate all that you do, me included.
@@Maverick0451 I appreciate the the support and I'll give you all the high fives you want. you don't have to worry about me letting my D-list RUclips Celebrity status going to my head. I mean I do have a Diva agreement in my contract about appearance fees requiring m&m's in a bowl all have to be only one specific color. but yeah I don't let it go to my head. Honestly im just a dude with a normal day job to at shows up to try and help Cap express is love for aircraft through DCS. Cheers mate thanks for supporting us and the Channel.
88's were captivated by the majestic beauty that is Tomcat.
all the nicest planes came from that era. Tomcat, A-10, F-117, etc
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Simba is has natural hit immunity. Missiles and bullets just ignore him, dudes a beast.
He just took hits in non-critical areas.
I lather my self up with baby oil before every flight :) thanks for watching.
correct no one touched my no no square lol. thanks for watching @@WinVisten
they don't call him the people's champ for nothing 😂
The unrealistic issue is that the FLAK cannons will stop firing while the German fighters are engaged to prevent friendly fire or the fighters will disengage and loiter in waiting as you egress from the flak area to reattack.
My Grandfather was a B-24 pilot on those raids.
My father was a jewish kid on the ground. One of his first clear memories.
He flew through hell. Big respect to him.
lmfao@@IRONIC1688
My grandfather's brother was in the pacific bombing campaign.
I knew a waist gunner / radio operator on a b17 those guys flew through the blender as he put it , told me stories about how tough those planes where and how brave the men who flew in them where
Thanks for pronouncing Ploesti properly. Have been to the Romanian
cemetery where the B-24 crews were buried.
Roger.
Ok, never expecting JESTER to call out Me109. Jester must have been a radar operator on a B17 during ww2.
I only see one problem, tactically. It was German doctrine that AA would NOT fire if German Fighters were operating in the area, as the Flak could just as easily kill them, as it could bombers.
Also German fighters extensively dove from high 12 on the merge with bombers.
Look, up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! It's BRRRT
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Fighters would not be in the flak. They wait till after the run
Simba is a fricking magician...
I have a had dinner show at the MGM casino in Las Vegas as a second job, lol j/k obviously. Thanks for watching.
Great video guys!! Have you all done the Doolittle raid already?
A couple of Doolittle variations:
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You’ve probably already heard the complaints Cap, but Tidal Wave was carried out on the deck, the B-24 gunners were directly engaging the flak guns.
I’d seriously love to see A-10s go in on the deck. Or the WW2 Japanese Zero/Val fighters, though you’d need a thousand to carry enough bombs.
This was awesome to watch! My Grandfather was a flight engineer on a B-24D in the 15th AF 484th BG in the ploesti raids.
If you had an evil game referee with Olympic, you could have spawned in some Me-262s. Thank you for another interesting mission!
Thank you. I love it when you all run these miss matached historical missions. Reminds me of Final Countdown
Everyone else in the A10: Mission's over, get the heck out of here
Simba: I didn't hear no bell.
Simba is flying half a wingspan over the ground hoping that AA hasn't got enough gun depression to hit him.
I was hoping the trees would take some of the rounds for me lol.
@@simba1113 One of those days you wished your GAU-8 pointed out the back huh?
Also praying that the Germans haven't deployed any barrage balloons.
The A-10 was designed to fight with squirrels jumping on its wings, approaching at altitude was actually a huge nerf for the A-10.
The real mission was on the deck, 150 feet on the bomb run. In and out bound even lower.
This was incredibly exciting to watch. Thanks for the vids guys!
The original attack on Ploesti was at low level, not 20,000 feet.
Remember, the bombers just didn’t fly straight. They went up and down in the elevation all the time they slow their speed then they would speed it up. They would go left and right, and always keeping formation.
Good video Team GR! Thanks!
with all that flak you can see why, German fighters and flak didn't really operate in the same airspace. 109's and 190's would intercept bombers after bomber formations went past the initial flak barrage by the coast and after allied fighters were forced to turn back due to fuel. Once bombers started in their bomb run they would break off and let the Flak get in. Obviously a bomber cant manoeuvre out of flak when on bombing run so the flak batteries would fire flak into a part of sky that the bombers would have to fly through rather then try and continuously lead the bombers. They would just create a wall of Flak for the bombers to fly though then move the wall to another position in front of the bombers and so on until the bombers were on egress then the fighters would come back in again.
also this is a good point to mention that it is inadvisable to bail out over an area you just bombed
Simba is just over powered at this point
yeah in madden character builder it set agility to 99 and speed to 99. Thanks for the compliment and thanks for watching.
This mission was what I wanted to be reacted by you, Cap and your crew of Grim reapers.. horrific and heroic in same sentence. I'm grateful.
Hearing the RIO say "Bandit! ME-109" is so... wierd.
The flak was so thick you could walk on it.
A jet isn't going to outmaneuver a 109 near the ground. At their flight ceiling on the other hand...
this was so much fun to watch, good hunting!
A whole video just for the lulz, that's commitment. Too bad they don't have buccaneer.
Aye! Screaming in at 20ft doing 580Kts!
You should try this with the A-4
Been meaning to ask you to do this mission for a while. Thanks!
You guys are freakin' awesome!
This was so awesome. The A-10 mission in particular was amazing with the various matchup dynamics and BRRRRTs going on everywhere. The more dramatic scenario videos you can come up with involving flak/AA/machine gun and tracer fire, and other tangible obstacles the viewers can easily see, the better!
I think you should both play around with the equipmnent and map scenarios until this idea is fully exhausted and you can also recreate other famous missions in addition to movie/TV scenarios. I can't remember the name of the film, but the one with the famous low-flying bombing raid and AA guns down "death valley" or whatever they called it, Vietnam era with Prowlers I believe?
It was very unreal though. The Me109 keeping up with an A-10 at sea level was really bad simulating. The Me has a top speed of like 290 mph at sea level. The A-10 is 439 mph at sea level lol. No comparison, and this was after they had dropped their bomb loads and were exfil….
Cap, how about the same raid, but this time use the Frog Foot? I'm very curious to see how much better or worse this would be as compared to the A-10.
I'd like to see this revisited in the future with the Phantom and the Intruder when they become available.
Those flak shells exploding sound really gash, they sound like the rifle shots on the ground. I think ED needs to sample real flak shells exploding or steal them from the new show ‘Masters of the Air’
Love these time travel vids!👍 Yo Cap Please fly P-80's intercepting Ju88's with 4 flights of escorts-- Fw190 Doras, Bf109G's, Fw190 Antons, and Bf109 K-4's!🙏
This was great, I've got to set this up and try it.
Really enjoy the videos. I do have to wonder on the A10 portion why you would fly in at high altitude? With the speed and engine efficiency of that plane at low altitude, wouldn’t a run at tree top altitude into the target area so your below most of the AA action be the better strategy?
As was observed in Desert Storm, A-10s don't survive well in low-altitude contested airspace. Flying at low altitude puts them within range of more AA than flying at high altitude. A WW2 rule of thumb was "The amount of AA fire halves for every 5,000' increase in altitude. Flying at low altitude puts them in range of pretty much every autocannon and MG. With "Wall of steel" firing tactics, the A-10 is going to take hits. That the A-10 might make it back is irrelevant when it has to be scrapped after a single mission due to damage.
I think, presuming they were an option, F111 Aardvarks and/or A4 Skyhawks would have been an excellent choice.
Great job with the pronunciation of the foreign words, ESPECIALLY the Romanian ones, given that there are letters in that language (common ones) that don't exist in English!
Also, most WW2 era fighters mount weapons externally too. WW2 era *bombers* don't. (Usually).
"My plane is shaking, and i don't know why." Its called VNE
The F-15's you should have armed with 2 sidewinders and for bombs go with Smart Pigs
Should consider reenacting any good battles from the ongoing series Masters of the Air
I'd love to see this with some modern bombers like the b-1
Using the additional speed to defeat the 88's would only have worked this well one time in the entire war. The Germans would easily have been able to calculate updated leads for the flack box.
Can you even try and imagine being a German soldier in WW2 looking up and seeing a Tomcat or Eagle? And as your looking, gawking even, you suddenly find yourself VAPORIZED!!!
Do Operation Rolling Thunder with B-17s
Ugh. I thought I might finally have the first comment after a video was posted, but I guess second is good enough. LOL. Keep up the great work, guys!
Oooooh that maryland calvert cross on one of the A10's was smart!
Would be interesting, if you could redo it with the SU-25 or F4
A few sidewinders on an A10 loaded with 2k lbs bombs slows you how much? Would be fun to loop around and take fighters out? Or on the escape?
i read somewhere that flak accounted for around 85% of the damage on surviving aircraft and was responsible for about the same % of casualties. Also, that it took around 10000 shells for each downed bomber. I was sceptical of that, until I heard those flak numbers being called out by Cap.
With enough velocity, it seems even Swiss cheese remain airborne.
A top 10 reapers video certainly
Simba flying with the Maryland A-10 made my day!
You might need to let the enemy have a few Me262
Simba's like "oh no asshole you get back here" i love it
Why does the flack sound like poppets fireworks?
Awesome video as always! Question: Have you seen the Area 88 anime? A dubbed version is available on RUclips. I think they have some interesting missions you might enjoy putting together. Also curious on your take of how they portray the various historical aircraft. Cheers!
"Don't forget your flaps".
Sound advice in all walks of life!
It was a airshow near me that I went too, that was supposed to have ww2 bombers but they were delayed. I was upset because i wanted to experience what it was like.
Great video, everybody...👍
At 21:47 Escape with four BF-109'ers on his tail...
Great scene!!
Simba is 100% an ACE! Full talent on display. Gives me chills.
Additional unguided rocket pods on the A-10s and a more aggressive, low altitude approach might be interesting. Sticking with 1940s munitions; but playing more into the Warthog’s role, and engaging AAA on the axis of approach.
I’m not sure how 88s would react to a wild weasel - in real life or the simulation. The closest equivalent would probably be some of the Mosquito raids.
great video guys. could you do the same scenario but in the Skyraider Phantom and Buccaneer
After Tidal Wave production actually went up.
Brave young men.
Silly idea based on a rather dubious doctrine.
I would like to make a request for a future video
In 2018 the USA offered to transfer two oliver perry class frigates to ukraine. Wiki (yes I know) says that the US have six ships "on hold for foreign military sale" and one "on hold for donation". Say Ukraine gets all seven (possible modernized with VLS cells) plus the two Ada class (maybe throw in the Hetman Sahaydachniy or the unfinish slava class cruiser they have for fun) and see what they can do.
I wonder how dangerous the falling shrapnel was to people on the ground.
10/10 on the Ploiesti pronunciation
thx
Yes !
“Could F-15Es have completed a WW2 bombing mission?” is on par with “Could HMS Hood have won at Trafalgar?”
10/10 to Cap, not even 44 secs in and the pronunciation of Ploiești was nigh on perfect.
My wife is Romanian. . . . . . . . .
Surely the end of this vid should spawn the next video 'which modern plane beats a 109 in dogfight, guns only'
Only 1 A-10 Lost using the same flight profile from WWII and all Refineries splashed? I call that a win.
flak guns go brrrrrrrr. counted an average of about 20 rounds per second. that frequency is so high you could almost hear it.
The USAF had some pretty horrific KIA stats.
Impossibly brave crews.
Looking forward to you recreating missions from the "Masters of the Air" series.
C130's dropping BLU82's
Man you gotta be impressed with the B-17's ability to take a hit...
Operation Ten-Go, but replace Yamato’s escorts with modern DDGs from Japan’s 2024 navy. Reapers could use modern land based aircraft from Japan.
10:41 that was pretty badass😂
C-5M dropping Rapid Dragons...? How many could a Super Galaxy hold?
Does DCS have flack avoidance maneuvering for bombers? In real life they changed direction, altitude or both at intervals that matched the time to target, fire and time of flight of the flak shells so they wouldn't be where the shells exploded. The bombers in the intro are just flying straight and true through the maelstrom which would have been murderous.
they learned avoidance actually cause more deaths and losses so later years they just pinned the throttles and stayed steady... as the flak wasnt accurate fire. and these planes were surprisingly tough.
WWII bombers could (and did) maneuver most of the way to the target, but once near the target, they had to stay in formation and fly straight and level. The bombardier in one of the bombers had to line up the target, and all the other planes stayed in formation in order to ensure a uniform spread. That final run at the target was when the bombers were most vulnerable.
i was just going to ask this as they did change direction etc to fool the 88mm gun directors so it was harder to aim,as the guns needs to shoot ahead of the bombers and shells would take about a minute to reach altitude.
Would they have still shot flak at you knowing their own planes were mixed in with you? That flak had just as much chance of hitting one of them than you guys. Interesting. I promise those -109 pilots would have gotten the F out of Dodge. Orders or no orders would make them pursue you thru that much crap in the air.
Kinda sad I missed this one, I love doing crazy stuff in the hog
Also prob could have went with 3 2000lb bombs to get a little more speed back
Answer, absolutely, especially if fitted with modern ordinance. By the way, the F-15E is the nuclear capable model.
20:00 this is like the Stuka bomber but way more detrimental if you’re a German for us it heavenly
Capn' just wants to say 'Ploesti' once more -- whoops, there he goes again. PLO esht
They actually flew in at 400 feet and half got off course then had to come in going the wrong direction. Crossing other bombers going the right flight path. Took great courage.
I love this stuff
Excellent display of various and assorted Boom Boom.
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BB is important as I always say.