I liked the “overall performance” for gaming you gave. It really narrows down what works best for people and budgets. Looks like 7900x 13900k and 7950x comes down to productivity and if your using it as a workstation.
Thanks for the suggestion! I'm hoping to make some updates to my tests/methods before I do a big comparison like this again in the future, so your comment definitely helps 🙏
@@paulshardware "Friends may come & friends may go. Friends may 'Peter Out', you know. But, we'll be friends through thick or thin. 'Peter Out' or Peter in"!😎👍☕
I switched from an Intel 2700k to 5600noneX to try the AMD route. With B550 rog strix, 32gb corsair 3200 cl16 and 1tb 970 pro m.2 my system runs like a dream! I watch your channel alot and your reviews are always great! Thanks for your effort in every video, have a great day Paul :D
amd benefits a lot from faster ram, maybe you should try overclocking yours. if so, try to keep the ram temps bellow 40 degrees as thats where some stability issues might happen
Yep, I picked up a 5600 for a build and it has to be one of the best value cpus around , was going to get an 8 core or better but in gaming the 5600 scores pretty much the same so , for the price , I couldn't say no, 12th gen intel boards were expensive at the time so went from a 10th gen intel build to the 5600....
I usually prefer Intel CPU's ,, but the current price of the r5 5600 (non x ) makes it a NO BRAINER for value. Grabbed 6 of them this week and building / selling fast
@@paulshardware It's a long time coming. Going from a 4790K that's showing its age. I only need mobo/CPU/RAM; the other parts will be moved from my current system. I'm holding off until black friday to catch those sweet deals.
This solidifies my decision to buy a 13600K. Last time I upgraded my PC was 2016, most of the compute workload is on the GPU anyway, so this CPU is a good deal. It also doesn't have the insane power draw of some of the other Intel CPUs.
Given what's happening with energy costs these days it might also be worth looking into the power consumption of your prospective new rig as some parts are more energy efficient than others.
In my country 7900x is just 20 dollar more expensive than the 13700k and there are some slight advantages so I will go for the 7900x for my new PC. Upgrading from an Intel i7 8700k. Thank you so much for comparing the 13700k. There are no videos talking about the i7 for some reason.
the real story here for me is seeing the i6 13600k besting or on part with he i7 12700k. I was looking at buying that i7, but ended up going with the new i5 13600k and I have been super happy with the build.
Mostly used Intel in the past but went with the 7700X this build. Figure paired with a 4090 I'd take a 8-15FPS avg hit now but for later whatever end of life 2025 CPU AM5 socket CPU comes out should be better than the end of life LGA1700 socket. AM5 may still not be the top of the line later in 2025 but it beats needing a new CPU AND Motherboard at the same time. Thanks for the great data aiding in the selection for my 5th personal build.
I have a 5900x with my 4090 and keep flipping between keeping it, 5800x3d or getting a 7700x. I wish he had used a 4090 for the benchmarks for more pronounced performance gaps. I have a ITX build and play at 4k, I'd prefer something with lower power consumption and lower temps so Intel 13th gen is out for me. I feel the best solution is to wait for the 7800x3d or whatever they call it, it should provide the uplift of a new gen + DDR5, combined with the 3d v-cache for a gaming monster CPU.
@@akirafan28 Thank you! I found a very good deal on a 7950x so I''m going to give that a try first. But those Zen 4 3D v-cache chips are going to be gaming monsters!
Yeah that's acctually really smart, as i played this game for a really long time i know how cpu consuming it is. Really nice to see this benchmark here
Hey Paul, thank you for this update! I just became a dad, so I don't have the time to give myself some slack and upgrade my pc. So I am very happy with the 3600 Ryzen AMD I have running right now! But still, love to watch your vids about it, in case I do want to upgrade any time soon! ^^ Keep them coming!
Every time I think you've created the greatest opening, you manage to pop one more out. I've been wanting someone to review the more affordable new CPU's, and you gave me relief. Thank you, Paul, for a beautiful climax to my search
glad to help but really i shouldnt, or really dont have to, lower myself bcs others cant keep up its not how business works at any field, best ones promote bad ones kicked, its simple and like that since school days by ranking system
@@ItsDeeno69yeah unless he already had AMD 5 PC if he didn't it still more worth it to go with the amd5 builder so he wouldn't have to upgrade for years if he got the extra income it's no point in investing money into am4 With games being more demanding/ unoptimized
Thanks for your work! I find totally acceptable the Core i5 12600K for my needs considering the temperatures and power consumption, that are very important in my case.
I got a pretty big discount on a B650M motherboard on Black Friday in AUD for $261 or something (~170USD) but it doesn't have Wifi and only 2x M.2 ports (I can use the extra PCIe16 instead). At the time of buying a 7700x the X3D was considerably more expensive, now its the exact same price. Decided to just do the damn AM5 upgrade now while prices are favorable and there isn't any global disruptions. The new X3D will cost a absolute fortune!; MARK MY WORDS!
Current 5800x owner here. Was originally going to wait for the 7700x3d or whatever it's gonna be called, to come out, but I just did the exact same thing last night, lol. Same board, same price, 7700x for $300, ram for $130. I surprised myself. Also figured the same thing you did about next gen x3d. Can't wait to switch it all out.
I am debating between 7700X and x3d. But like you said, I am sure X3D would cost more than regular 7700X and I really doubt that there will be a huge difference. I would rather spend that difference in money to get a better GPU.
@@JoonKimDMD If you don't already have a decent GPU, I'd honestly go for that first. You'll get the most noticeable gains that way. Then go for the 5800x3D if you want good gaming performance for a good while. One reason I went for 7700x is because i use emulators, which don't benefit from the 3D cache. They need raw speed.
@@HankBaxter I am into emulators too but I heard that AVX512 in ryzen 7 doesn't really help RPCS3 and the emulators such as Xenia uses GPU more than CPU. Microcenter is giving away 32GB ram for free if I get 7700X now. I doubt that they will do the same for X3D since the reason they give away the rams is because of the low sales number in 7000 series which isn't going to be the case for X3D.
@@JoonKimDMD If you're getting free ram, grab a cheap board and go for it, then, because even if AVX512 isn't a plus, the raw performance will be far better than 5800x3D, which has lower clocks than the regular 5800x. Plus, it's gonna be supported for a couple more generations.
Hey Paul, really happy you colour coded between the brands in your charts. Really helped to pick things out. If I may offer a suggestion, some of your charts didn’t include the new AMD colours in the legend. It’s easy to infer what the AMD bars are, but it would help alleviate any possible confusion if both colours were in the legend. Thanks for the review. Looking forward to your RX 7000 series gpu reviews!
I was considering going Intel 13th gen until Microcenter started running their free 32gb ddr5 and $50 off a mobo with a 7700x purchase. Walked out the MC door having spent $515 on a 7700x, motherboard, and 32gb DDR5.
@@addz17 30 to 40 more FPS in battlefield V at 1440p with a 3080 Ti...around the sane with shitty optimizted 2042 lol Hitman 3 is around the same at 1440p...alot more than 15% in most games that are somewhat more cpu intensive Also I'm running a 1440p 240hz monitor
I really wanted a 7700x but that 13700 is a beast for the money. Between this and the far superior memory controller intel has (mem clocks now hitting 8-10K ) Unless AMD has some advantage of using their new CPUs with RDNA3 (like memory sharing) i have to go 13th gen. Especially with prices already coming down at places like BBuy. Z790 boards and DDR5 same price as X670E so its a wash there.
@@addz17 Im running a 9600k, by the time i upgrade i wont want to use a 4 year old outdated board . When i upgrade the whole shabang goes and the old pc goes to someone else. I will want DDR6 and gen5 M.2 and Pcie6 next time around.
@@addz17 ??? Pcie introduction dates. Pcie4 2017. pcie5 2019, pcie6 2022, pcie7 2025. In 3 years pci6 will be where we are now with pcie5, the begining of its lifespan.We move 1 pcie gen every 3-4 years.
Awesome review! I was bouncing between a decision on either 13700k or the 7900X for my next build (blender focused rig) and I'm supper happy to see that you have the two CPU's analysed together. From the looks of your numbers; for very similar results, the money I would save getting the 13700k would go straight into a higher wattage PSU, so I think I'll be going with the 7900X. Thanks for the detailed info!
Both are fine, but about the PSU - why? You should look at the performance without OC if you care about powerconsumption. Paul is testing with the auto-OC of Z690. That means all power-limits disabled, unlimited turbo and increased voltage.
@@ishiddddd4783 it's the peaks that matter, amd peaks at 280W while the Intel peaks at 360W. The Intel will also need a better costlier cooler. That power difference is enough to light up 8*10W led bulbs lol it ain't nothing. Peak powers are required to be taken in to consideration for psu purchases, op might just be 100W short of a 13700k. There's also a ryzen tuning software that allows you to get more bang for your buck based on your silicon luck.
@@shiraz1736 the thing is DDR5 is new, I presume memory speed will end up in the 9000 range and you'll be stuck with a b650 6200 max board. I love that you can upgrade but also most people don't upgrade every couple years and if it's just a new mobo it might be fine, but strictly speaking yes you could use the latest and greatest cpu for a while with your current mobo whilst you gather funds for a new b850 or something
Good thing on the different coloured bars, but I'll reiterate the suggestion that fixed position of each SKU in the chart is far better for understanding and at a glance information retention rather than a "higher at the top, lower at the bottom" approach
5950x and 5900x are 24 months old now, and when they went vs 10th gen, intel had nothing for a whole generation, they just tossed 11th gen knowing it was a blood bath, 12th gen finally put them on par, thats how good 5000 series was.
13600k is the goat always will be fpr me. Idc about rhe issue with intel. 5 year wareanty? Unlimited replacements or refunds? Lets goo Not like we dont change out parts often on our stuff so a replacement is no big deal to me lol
Agreed! I play 4X games pretty much exclusively and here you can see that for such games investing is a rig with a top-range CPU and mid-range GPU is the way to go. That being said, I think it's crazy that a 8C/16T 7700X is almost as fast as a 16C/32T 7950X in Civ6. I hope Civ7 will be a lot better at parallelizing the game.
@@lukeearthcrawler896 well part of that is that (part) of games are inherently un-parrelizable, that’s why I don’t think there are any? Games that see increased performance on the 64 core threadrippers vs a more normal Ryzen. That said, I definitely think that 4x games like Civ, Total War, and Stellaris probably under utilize multithreaded performance that they have available to them.
@@levygaming3133 Completely agree with the up-parallel aspect of TBS games. Each AI needs to take its turn, obviously. Also, Civ6 is a 6 year old game. When it launched, Intel was on 4C/8T (Kaby Lake) and Ryzen hasn't launched yet.
I am impressed with the improvement from 12th gen to 13th gen. And the 5800X3D never cease to amaze me with it's gaming scores. Thanks for the Handbrake and other editing benchmarks, looks like I'll be using some of it in the future.
TBH I don't know if I agree that the power consumption is over stated. If I'm using 40-80 watts more with a 13600k vs a 7700x for 4 years, buying the comparable but more efficient part is going to save me WAY more than the 75 dollar difference between MB/RAM prices in the long run. To me it's not even a question. Especially if you need to get a 1000w PSU instead of an 850 or 750w, the efficiency argument gets even stronger.
The 13700K just looks like a great price to performance chip slotted right in the perfect price. If you need the extra P cores but the 13600K might be a Steal honestly.
@@mikem9536 yeah but that hardly matters. 6 cores for exclusively gaming is all you need. The 13600K is literally the best CPU out for years and prob dont need anything more unless youre getting to the 7950X/13900K range for productivity
Well, for those in the US with a MicroCenter nearby, the ryzens have gotten much cheaper, AND come with 32GB of free DDR5-6000 RAM! For those without, Amazon is mostly matching the MicroCenter prices (without the free RAM). That very much changes the math! Especially if you can find an open box (generally a customer return) CPU that will be around 15% cheaper still.
I saw that too, had a nice price drop... but one thing Intel was lacking at Microcenter were some of the bundle deals vs. AMD. (Most of the intel bundles were for the 12th generation) I just upgraded my PC this week (my older 8 yr old build finally died), but snagged a promotion of an AMD R9 7900X, Asus Strix B550E-F Wifi mobo and 32 gb ddr5 ram for $600. Couldn't find anything around that quality that came close to the price. Curious to see how AMD performs, always used intel until now.
@@Bmage28 that’s on Intel and AMD. A 13700k basically has the same if not better performance than the 7900x AND 7950x in both productivity and gaming. It may be $20-40 more for intel with ram than the Ryzen stuff. Other people are mentioning the 7900x and 7950x had annoying issues. I had issues with my 3900x which were super annoying so knowing Intel is traditionally more stable, I may just do that.
@@leee9112 with a photography business it makes more sense. If all I did was game and did simpler tasks I’d do a 13600k as well. I may just do that but are there bottlenecks with a higher end gpu and the 13600k?
@@Cary_mac For photo editing I am not sure. Depending also on the card you are running and ram. I know with video editing it definitely does better but not by that much. If it's for business just go with the 13900K and write it off :) .
If your intro writing gets any better Paul, they're gonna have to give you an Oscar for best original screenplay. You're even "beating" BITWIT. The teacher has surpassed the pupil....or something
thx Paul for explaining the difference between the 7000 and 5000 series I think I am pulling the trigger on a 5800x3d for gaming :) keep up the good work
It will be great untill next 5 years...look how slow the system upgrade benefit these days...7000 amd meehh..better get hardcore gpu like 4090...and next one.
4:48 NVidia just released 526.47. BTW, I purchased a Kingston 1TB NVME SSD using your affiliation code, Paul. It is going with my $200 R7 5700X CPU I just got.
running a r7 7700x manual oc 5.25ghz 1.18v on an Asrock x670e pg with Noctua nh d15, max temp under full load 79 °C, gaming power draw around 60w with 68/60 °C, some people managed to manual oc this processor to 5.4ghz with 1.18v, it depends on the processor, honestly just manual oc these new ryzen cpu, much better results in terms of power draw and temperatures, no pbo2 just manual oc
Still gaming on my FX-9590 oven with 32GB DDR3 2400 and an RX 5700 XT (was running two GTX 780s in SLI until I got that card). I may finally break down and upgrade when the AM5 CPUs with 3D V-cache come out.
The 5800x3d is awesome for gaming, I switched from 5900x and it was definitely worth it. Smoother and much better lows. Which is extremely important. When your lows drop out, your game play shows it. A few fps highs faster than the 5900x. It's now pushing my gpu to 99% at all times with only 1-4% on cpu...best gaming option for am4
@tilapia dave it's working perfect for my 3080...maybe not so much for a 4090 though!!! But my fans are finally kicking on. Stays at 99% gpu instead of 95
Hi Paul! When its time for a PC gear lesson and update, i keep coming back to your channel. Thanks for your work. Today i'm in a great and in a bad position at a same time. My gaming PC is a i5-4590 16 go DDR3 RAM PSU EVGA 750 watts. My GPU : GTX 1650 Super. My system is way over dûe for a massive upgrade. i'd like CPU : i5 13600k MOBO : Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite ax RAM : G Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3600 PC4 28800 GPU : probably RX6800, RX 6800XT or the RTX 3060 ti My problem is the CPU cooling and the ATX case. Intel 13th gets really hot and need solid cooling. I never overclock my gears but even then, in gaming, temp will rise. So i am considering the Noctua NH-D15 Chromax dual tower. The Mobo is a bit room tigh for this cooler. It can fit on the MB only if i raise one of my fans from the heat sink to clear the RAM stick, which will diminish cooler efficency. For the casing, i dont need hyper sophisticated case but i need to fit my gears in it and i dont want RGB gimmick. ;) Any sugestion? Thanks
I just built my new PC, it has an i7 13th gen CPU, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX mobo, corsair vengance 32GB DDR5 ram, NH-D15 Chromax dual tower cooler with a Fractal Torrent case. The fan on the cooler that is above the RAM did have to be raised a little bit for clearance but still plenty of room before it hits the side panel of the case. And the only RGB that I have are the 2 led light strips I added so I could look in there. Also, I haven't noticed any diminised cooling aspects by raising the one fan up just a little. Playing Cyberpunk 2077 for a few hours today my CPU temp stayed around 55-60 deg C. The Fractal Torrent does have great cooling capabilities. Gamers Nexus gave it best case of 2021 I think, and also best thermal cooling case of 2022.
@@votka47 Thanks Nick! So it seems that my build is acceptable. I'l keep an eye on fractal Torrent case. Now, with DDR-5 and DDR-4 price gap is slowly diminishing, i could be tempted by DDR5. The MOBO price gap is still big though. Thanks again!
@@marcchapleau8343 You're welcome and have fun with your build. Don't know your budget but newegg does have the fractal torrent black non rgb case onsale for $160 with $8 shipping. Cheapest I've seen so far and cheaper than when I bought it!
@@votka47Finaly, in december 2022, i bough : CPU : Core I5 13600k Mobo : Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX DDR4 RAM : 32 Go DDr4 3600 (Corsair Vengeance) (no RGB) Cooler : Noctua NH-D15 Chromax GPU : RTX 3070 ti Case : EATX Fractal Torrent case PSU : Corsair 850 (in the top tier quality) Everything is doing great although there is one piece i would do differently today : my GPU. Its more than enough for my 1080p gaming needs. I use Very high graphic settings and low DLSS setting. I clearly see (in some games) a small but noticable quality difference, with compare to a RX 6800 XT that i tested. But i know the VRAM difference will make a Huge difference with the newer games in 2 years. But for now, everything is great. My next move will probably be in the display department : From 1080p to 1440p with a RTX 5080.
I chose the I7-13700K over the 13900 for gaming, while budget wasn't an issue, I didn't think the minimal gaming performance increase was worth it. But seeing just how much better it is with workstation applications, I regret it considering im a Engineering major.
This is a great video overall, one major problem that should be considered in my opinion would be MoBo prices for a z790, unless you do a z690. Regardless you're spending a pretty penny when compared to the new AMD platform. In this case the X3Blows them all out of the water like the 1080ti tended to do to the entire rtx 20 series for many gamers.
hey there Paul. I know this is an old video.. but Thank you for making it. I've got a 12900K that's been nothing but trouble. I'm sending it back to Intel for them to sort out with either a repair or replacement. I get watchdog errors randomly and I've swapped everything out of this computer but the CPU. That's the one consistent part of the whole saga. Anyway, with the 13700K sitting at $345 today at best buy, I opted to pick that up and just drop it in my PC. I have a 7700x system that I could swap to but I don't want to lose intel quicksync for video work. So that's the dilemma, and I will have the next round of the story tomorrow as I pick up the CPU and get it swapped out.. but my other question is simply this. Power efficiency. Have you compared power efficiency under load vs overall power efficiency? While it's clear that AMD is more efficient under a full workload scenario, what about the rest of the time? Would it make sense to look at the bigger picture? How many users run all core maxed out 100% of the time? Maybe this is something that you've already addressed, as I know several other creators have found intel to hold its own, if not exceed AMD, in overall "real world" day-to-day efficiency. Anyway, if you get the opportunity to take a look, I'd be very interested in your opinions. Now I am waiting for my 13700K to see if that solves all my PC problems. Cheers Rick
Hey Paul, this data is great and you've clearly worked your nuts off on all the benching. some constructive feedback, I personally found the overall comparison graphs pretty hard to follow. Hard to determine which CPU beats which when it's multiple data types on one graph. Feel it might not be the best way to present the data. Good video anyway though.
So the delta in CPU package power (gaming) between 13900 and 7950 is 37.5W. Play games 2 hrs per day, 5 days a week (520hr) x 37.5W = 19,500Wh = 19.5kWh. So if your average price for electricity is $0.179 per kWh, over one year the difference is TREE FIDDY!
With my 5900X I'll probably be waiting for whatever follows AM5. I game at WQHD and feel the better bang for the buck may be saving up for an OLED ultrawide sometime next year.
Highly doubt it. They’ll prob run even hotter while bringing nothing to the table multithreading wise and you wont see a realistic difference in frames with modern GPUs that you would use said GPU for. For instance, what kinda moron buys a 4090 for 1080? Even buying a 4090 for 1440p is super overkill and makes no sense. A 5600 or 9900K will run as good at 4K as and even 1440p ultra for the most part as any modern CPU. Point is, why the hell would you blow even more money on a zen 4 3D part instead of just get something cheaper that realistically performs the same or has better multithreading or just wait for Zen 5?…. We know core counts gonna go up with Zen 5 anyway
@@Angel7black No, a 4090 for 1440p is not super overkill, especially when you consider RT and high refresh rate, potentially ultrawide 1440p displays out there.
Damn Paul! I feel tired just watching this. You and Joe have More than enough need some time off. Thank you so much for this benchmarking information. My doff my hat to you sir.
I'm fortunate enough to have a Microcenter near me, so I was able to get a motherboard (B650E-F, DDR5, 7900X) - $600. It is the same or cheaper than the 13600k combo (but with better performance from the AMD 7 series). AMD got the message.
I am going to micro center next week and I am specifically going to be looking to see what combos they have in stock when I go. I was currently looking at the 7700x deal because its $500 or the 7600x one for $400
@@happydr_ awesome! I would look at the motherboard for the 7700x deal, to make sure it has everything you will need. The one that comes with 7900x deal is pretty much x670 except for a couple m.2 slots. That's why jumped on that deal.
Hey Paul, I'd like to see you expand your game benchmarks by adding games from a couple different engines. I've seen some reviewers use CS:GO (Source) and some others use Rainbow 6 Siege (same engine as Assassins Creed.) I'd REALLY like to see Unity get some more representation too.
Would misrepresent newer gen cards though. My 1080ti got more fps at max settings 1440p in CSGO than my 3080 does. Because it's a directX9 title. Adding in these games would make older cards look better than they are, and newer cards look worse than they are
@@aightm8 I mean, I only gave it as an example and I've seen it mostly used in CPU benchmarking. He could use Apex Legends for Source because it's getting DX12 support, but I'm not sure if they have a good benchmark built in...
If you have a Microcenter near you the DDR5-6000 / AMD 7900x combo deals effectively prices the 7900x at aroun $350 making it the best configuration performance/price wise by a wide margin.
I liked the “overall performance” for gaming you gave. It really narrows down what works best for people and budgets. Looks like 7900x 13900k and 7950x comes down to productivity and if your using it as a workstation.
Today workstation tomorrow 4k gaming minimum
I love seeing the CPU gaming power draw results, would love it if you included temperatures while gaming somewhere in here as well!
"Frames per Watt" could end up a really important, weird graph in future!
Thanks for the suggestion! I'm hoping to make some updates to my tests/methods before I do a big comparison like this again in the future, so your comment definitely helps 🙏
yeah this is a concern for gamers
yep. Nice to see Intel lower than when blasting multithreading. Lot of people don't consider that and think AMD uses less while gaming.
@@paulshardware "Friends may come & friends may go. Friends may 'Peter Out', you know. But, we'll be friends through thick or thin. 'Peter Out' or Peter in"!😎👍☕
I switched from an Intel 2700k to 5600noneX to try the AMD route. With B550 rog strix, 32gb corsair 3200 cl16 and 1tb 970 pro m.2 my system runs like a dream! I watch your channel alot and your reviews are always great! Thanks for your effort in every video, have a great day Paul :D
amd benefits a lot from faster ram, maybe you should try overclocking yours. if so, try to keep the ram temps bellow 40 degrees as thats where some stability issues might happen
Yep, I picked up a 5600 for a build and it has to be one of the best value cpus around , was going to get an 8 core or better but in gaming the 5600 scores pretty much the same so , for the price , I couldn't say no, 12th gen intel boards were expensive at the time so went from a 10th gen intel build to the 5600....
Get the 5800X3D in a sale and you'll be set
I usually prefer Intel CPU's ,, but the current price of the r5 5600 (non x ) makes it a NO BRAINER for value. Grabbed 6 of them this week and building / selling fast
@@tilapiadave3234 the 5700x is also such a great value, under 200€.
i appreciate your grind to offer as much data as possible. Thank you Paul
That 13700K is it. My new build (first in 7 years) will be powered by the 13700K.
Much appreciate the review and comparison Paul.
I bought myself a 13700 as well
Glad I was able to help you make your choice! Enjoy the new PC, I hope it works great for you 🙏
@@paulshardware It's a long time coming. Going from a 4790K that's showing its age. I only need mobo/CPU/RAM; the other parts will be moved from my current system. I'm holding off until black friday to catch those sweet deals.
What GPU will you run? I'm thinking a 4090 along with 13700k for high frame 3440x1440 ultrawide gaming
@@TheTyphoon365 I have an rtx 3080 10gb in my system now; I'll be using that in the new system.
This solidifies my decision to buy a 13600K. Last time I upgraded my PC was 2016, most of the compute workload is on the GPU anyway, so this CPU is a good deal. It also doesn't have the insane power draw of some of the other Intel CPUs.
I love Paul's sexually-suggestive and aggressive yet paternal vibe
Are.. Are you calling him daddy?
You got issues dude.
Ok, groomer
That’s so fucked up 😅
I despise you for the fact that you managed to describe exactly what I was feeling, too! Thanks, I hate it 😂
I just got the 13700KF to replace my aging 6700k, what a massive improvement. I'm already impressed. Good job Intel!
Same except I'm coming from a 7700 non K
@@randomyoutubeuser8509 Same except I'm keeping the 7700 5 more years
Coming from 3570 to 13600k 😂
@@silbeater bro entered in a whole new dimension
AMD&Intel : How much CPUs do you want to benchmark ?
Paul : Yes
Thank you Paul, this is exactly the round up I was looking for! Great job!!
Given what's happening with energy costs these days it might also be worth looking into the power consumption of your prospective new rig as some parts are more energy efficient than others.
In my country 7900x is just 20 dollar more expensive than the 13700k and there are some slight advantages so I will go for the 7900x for my new PC. Upgrading from an Intel i7 8700k. Thank you so much for comparing the 13700k. There are no videos talking about the i7 for some reason.
i5 13600K
Thanks for your hard work, Paul! It really help me narrow down my decision for my needs.
I had purchased the 13600k a few months after you posted this video. It's such a great CPU for the price.
the real story here for me is seeing the i6 13600k besting or on part with he i7 12700k. I was looking at buying that i7, but ended up going with the new i5 13600k and I have been super happy with the build.
i6？good
But not better than i8 11800k though and that's two generations behind
ooof glad i went with the 7600x for gaming, best cpu atm
@@jasonferreira4761 amd funboy detected
@@vetold85 oof guess that 3D-VCache that they were talking about hit the intel shells in the nerves, AMD is eating intel Alive.
the 5800x3d is really impressive, running at lower clocks , old gen and still killing it on gaming
5800X3D ,, over-priced WAY over-hyped waste of sand
@@tilapiadave3234 it’s only good at 1080p gaming that’s all. CPU side of things my 9900k is faster.
@@tilapiadave3234 sales number begs to differ but you are entitled to your opinion
Mostly used Intel in the past but went with the 7700X this build. Figure paired with a 4090 I'd take a 8-15FPS avg hit now but for later whatever end of life 2025 CPU AM5 socket CPU comes out should be better than the end of life LGA1700 socket. AM5 may still not be the top of the line later in 2025 but it beats needing a new CPU AND Motherboard at the same time.
Thanks for the great data aiding in the selection for my 5th personal build.
I have a 5900x with my 4090 and keep flipping between keeping it, 5800x3d or getting a 7700x. I wish he had used a 4090 for the benchmarks for more pronounced performance gaps. I have a ITX build and play at 4k, I'd prefer something with lower power consumption and lower temps so Intel 13th gen is out for me. I feel the best solution is to wait for the 7800x3d or whatever they call it, it should provide the uplift of a new gen + DDR5, combined with the 3d v-cache for a gaming monster CPU.
@@jayb2705 I'm looking forward to see the performance of the Zen 4 3D v-cache. Sounds like you'll have a beast of a machine 👍🏻
@@akirafan28 Thank you! I found a very good deal on a 7950x so I''m going to give that a try first. But those Zen 4 3D v-cache chips are going to be gaming monsters!
Average turn time on Civilization is a really good benchmark, haven't seen it anywhere else! Always appreciate your humor too
Yeah that's acctually really smart, as i played this game for a really long time i know how cpu consuming it is. Really nice to see this benchmark here
Hey Paul, thank you for this update! I just became a dad, so I don't have the time to give myself some slack and upgrade my pc. So I am very happy with the 3600 Ryzen AMD I have running right now! But still, love to watch your vids about it, in case I do want to upgrade any time soon! ^^ Keep them coming!
Every time I think you've created the greatest opening, you manage to pop one more out. I've been wanting someone to review the more affordable new CPU's, and you gave me relief. Thank you, Paul, for a beautiful climax to my search
glad to help but really i shouldnt, or really dont have to, lower myself bcs others cant keep up
its not how business works at any field, best ones promote bad ones kicked, its simple and like that since school days by ranking system
Amazing work Paul !
Disappointed my mom wasn't involved in the intro :D
Great video. I ended grabbing a 7900x on a fire sale for $350 and at that price I could justify it and going AM5 with this build.
no bro the overall cost must have been higher
@@ItsDeeno69yeah unless he already had AMD 5 PC if he didn't it still more worth it to go with the amd5 builder so he wouldn't have to upgrade for years if he got the extra income it's no point in investing money into am4 With games being more demanding/ unoptimized
Paul’s Suggestive Hard wares? The perfect blend of paternal vibes, innuendo & actual information.
Thanks for your work! I find totally acceptable the Core i5 12600K for my needs considering the temperatures and power consumption, that are very important in my case.
I got a pretty big discount on a B650M motherboard on Black Friday in AUD for $261 or something (~170USD) but it doesn't have Wifi and only 2x M.2 ports (I can use the extra PCIe16 instead).
At the time of buying a 7700x the X3D was considerably more expensive, now its the exact same price. Decided to just do the damn AM5 upgrade now while prices are favorable and there isn't any global disruptions. The new X3D will cost a absolute fortune!; MARK MY WORDS!
Current 5800x owner here. Was originally going to wait for the 7700x3d or whatever it's gonna be called, to come out, but I just did the exact same thing last night, lol. Same board, same price, 7700x for $300, ram for $130. I surprised myself. Also figured the same thing you did about next gen x3d. Can't wait to switch it all out.
I am debating between 7700X and x3d. But like you said, I am sure X3D would cost more than regular 7700X and I really doubt that there will be a huge difference. I would rather spend that difference in money to get a better GPU.
@@JoonKimDMD If you don't already have a decent GPU, I'd honestly go for that first. You'll get the most noticeable gains that way. Then go for the 5800x3D if you want good gaming performance for a good while. One reason I went for 7700x is because i use emulators, which don't benefit from the 3D cache. They need raw speed.
@@HankBaxter I am into emulators too but I heard that AVX512 in ryzen 7 doesn't really help RPCS3 and the emulators such as Xenia uses GPU more than CPU. Microcenter is giving away 32GB ram for free if I get 7700X now. I doubt that they will do the same for X3D since the reason they give away the rams is because of the low sales number in 7000 series which isn't going to be the case for X3D.
@@JoonKimDMD If you're getting free ram, grab a cheap board and go for it, then, because even if AVX512 isn't a plus, the raw performance will be far better than 5800x3D, which has lower clocks than the regular 5800x. Plus, it's gonna be supported for a couple more generations.
Hey Paul, really happy you colour coded between the brands in your charts. Really helped to pick things out.
If I may offer a suggestion, some of your charts didn’t include the new AMD colours in the legend. It’s easy to infer what the AMD bars are, but it would help alleviate any possible confusion if both colours were in the legend.
Thanks for the review. Looking forward to your RX 7000 series gpu reviews!
Finally someone compared the 13700 and the 13600, thanks Paul!
And THIS is why I'm here, to listen to the "crème de la crème" of meaty reviews.
I SEE what you did there MAN.
10:49 Paul, don't think I don't see you at the top right...
I was considering going Intel 13th gen until Microcenter started running their free 32gb ddr5 and $50 off a mobo with a 7700x purchase. Walked out the MC door having spent $515 on a 7700x, motherboard, and 32gb DDR5.
how ya liking the 7700x?
Sold the 5800x for £200 and got a new 5800x3D for £350 and even got uncharted code :)
£150 upgrade vs £600++
The 5800X3D is outselling Zen 4 and Raptor Lake _combined_ in Germany. With upgrade costs like that, it's easy to see why.
15% faster.... 172 fps instead of 150 fps for £150? Doubt you'll notice any difference lol
@@addz17 30 to 40 more FPS in battlefield V at 1440p with a 3080 Ti...around the sane with shitty optimizted 2042 lol
Hitman 3 is around the same at 1440p...alot more than 15% in most games that are somewhat more cpu intensive
Also I'm running a 1440p 240hz monitor
Great coverage! Thanks for all the hard work you guys did on this one!
I really wanted a 7700x but that 13700 is a beast for the money. Between this and the far superior memory controller intel has (mem clocks now hitting 8-10K ) Unless AMD has some advantage of using their new CPUs with RDNA3 (like memory sharing) i have to go 13th gen. Especially with prices already coming down at places like BBuy. Z790 boards and DDR5 same price as X670E so its a wash there.
Dead end platform though, with no drop in upgrades for the future. Take a 10% hit now to get at 30% boost in a few years ( roughly)
@@addz17 Im running a 9600k, by the time i upgrade i wont want to use a 4 year old outdated board . When i upgrade the whole shabang goes and the old pc goes to someone else. I will want DDR6 and gen5 M.2 and Pcie6 next time around.
@@gprojectnoob4779 You'll be waiting a long time for pcie-6 and ddr6 lol
@@addz17 Such a dumb argument, 99% of PC users never change their CPU.
@@addz17 ??? Pcie introduction dates. Pcie4 2017. pcie5 2019, pcie6 2022, pcie7 2025. In 3 years pci6 will be where we are now with pcie5, the begining of its lifespan.We move 1 pcie gen every 3-4 years.
Awesome review!
I was bouncing between a decision on either 13700k or the 7900X for my next build (blender focused rig) and I'm supper happy to see that you have the two CPU's analysed together. From the looks of your numbers; for very similar results, the money I would save getting the 13700k would go straight into a higher wattage PSU, so I think I'll be going with the 7900X.
Thanks for the detailed info!
Both are fine, but about the PSU - why? You should look at the performance without OC if you care about powerconsumption.
Paul is testing with the auto-OC of Z690. That means all power-limits disabled, unlimited turbo and increased voltage.
its a 30W difference and thats without tunning lol, you are spending a lot more to save 30W of powerdraw that wont have any impact in a psu
I’d go Ryzen because your going to get at least another 3 gens, it’s a no brainer. Those MB prices have to come down though.
@@ishiddddd4783 it's the peaks that matter, amd peaks at 280W while the Intel peaks at 360W. The Intel will also need a better costlier cooler. That power difference is enough to light up 8*10W led bulbs lol it ain't nothing. Peak powers are required to be taken in to consideration for psu purchases, op might just be 100W short of a 13700k. There's also a ryzen tuning software that allows you to get more bang for your buck based on your silicon luck.
@@shiraz1736 the thing is DDR5 is new, I presume memory speed will end up in the 9000 range and you'll be stuck with a b650 6200 max board. I love that you can upgrade but also most people don't upgrade every couple years and if it's just a new mobo it might be fine, but strictly speaking yes you could use the latest and greatest cpu for a while with your current mobo whilst you gather funds for a new b850 or something
The 5800x3D is such a value upgrade for those on AM4, and if you play at 1440p or higher, will give you many years of gaming......
Thanks for this video! I'm looking to get a i7-13700k now. Currently running a i7-7700k with a 3080ti so its time for the upgrade finally. haha
Great video, I’ve been waiting for this one. Thanks man
I would love to see some code compilation comparisons in this some where, but great stuff!
Good thing on the different coloured bars, but I'll reiterate the suggestion that fixed position of each SKU in the chart is far better for understanding and at a glance information retention rather than a "higher at the top, lower at the bottom" approach
I was very impressed by how well the 5950X did in these tests. I guess I shouldn't be considering how much it costs but dang.
The 5950X is an absurdly expensive card.
5950x and 5900x are 24 months old now, and when they went vs 10th gen, intel had nothing for a whole generation, they just tossed 11th gen knowing it was a blood bath, 12th gen finally put them on par, thats how good 5000 series was.
I've got a 5900x it's great
@@chadbrick67 Yeah, I'm eyeing one, but my wallet would prefer a 5700X.
@@WaterZer0 5900x, trust me, worth it
Thanks for including price in the charts as well Paul. Gives a much clearer picture. Also love the key caps on your board, which brand are they?
Paul your innuendo memes and jokes are always on point. 👌
Thank you Paul for filling us up with your seeds of knowledge
I'm still using my 8700k, doing pretty well with it. I'm gonna wait for the Ryzen 7000 3xd before I choose an upgrade.
The name Paul's Hardware takes on a whole new meaning this episode
13600k is the goat always will be fpr me. Idc about rhe issue with intel. 5 year wareanty? Unlimited replacements or refunds? Lets goo
Not like we dont change out parts often on our stuff so a replacement is no big deal to me lol
love seeing the civilization test in the games. Way more relevant than the 1080p bottlenecking at 9000 frames to me.
Agreed! I play 4X games pretty much exclusively and here you can see that for such games investing is a rig with a top-range CPU and mid-range GPU is the way to go.
That being said, I think it's crazy that a 8C/16T 7700X is almost as fast as a 16C/32T 7950X in Civ6. I hope Civ7 will be a lot better at parallelizing the game.
@@lukeearthcrawler896 well part of that is that (part) of games are inherently un-parrelizable, that’s why I don’t think there are any? Games that see increased performance on the 64 core threadrippers vs a more normal Ryzen. That said, I definitely think that 4x games like Civ, Total War, and Stellaris probably under utilize multithreaded performance that they have available to them.
@@levygaming3133 Completely agree with the up-parallel aspect of TBS games. Each AI needs to take its turn, obviously. Also, Civ6 is a 6 year old game. When it launched, Intel was on 4C/8T (Kaby Lake) and Ryzen hasn't launched yet.
This is the wholesome (hole some?) content I'm here for. A great video Paul and Joe!
Dude that intro... hahahaha. There's a lot of fantastic tech channels out there but Paul's got the info and the humor. Love it.
I am impressed with the improvement from 12th gen to 13th gen. And the 5800X3D never cease to amaze me with it's gaming scores.
Thanks for the Handbrake and other editing benchmarks, looks like I'll be using some of it in the future.
7900X3D 2023.4
@@aarthas2263 😊
You sir are a shinning light in these iffy times cheers lad .
Oh good vid too 👍
TBH I don't know if I agree that the power consumption is over stated. If I'm using 40-80 watts more with a 13600k vs a 7700x for 4 years, buying the comparable but more efficient part is going to save me WAY more than the 75 dollar difference between MB/RAM prices in the long run. To me it's not even a question. Especially if you need to get a 1000w PSU instead of an 850 or 750w, the efficiency argument gets even stronger.
High end motherboards now cost 700-1000 USD. That's simply insane.
ikr... crazy times lol i went with the Z790 Strix F for 450€ (after cashback)
Great job. Loved the charts, they were informative!
The 13700K just looks like a great price to performance chip slotted right in the perfect price. If you need the extra P cores but the 13600K might be a Steal honestly.
13700 also has 2 more P cores.
@@mikem9536 yeah but that hardly matters. 6 cores for exclusively gaming is all you need. The 13600K is literally the best CPU out for years and prob dont need anything more unless youre getting to the 7950X/13900K range for productivity
@@mikem9536 You are right. My B.
13600 non K checks all the boxes for me. Hands down the best CPU this year.
You have such a way with words Paul
Hopefully it made you smile 😁
Well, for those in the US with a MicroCenter nearby, the ryzens have gotten much cheaper, AND come with 32GB of free DDR5-6000 RAM! For those without, Amazon is mostly matching the MicroCenter prices (without the free RAM). That very much changes the math! Especially if you can find an open box (generally a customer return) CPU that will be around 15% cheaper still.
This review came just in time!
Just bought a 13700K for $350 from microcenter. I'm a content creator so this was an absolute steal for me.
Sounds like an absolute steal for anyone. They're $440 online.
Wow. I’m seriously impressed with the 13700k. As of this time (2/2/23) the 13700kmis $330 at my local microcenter which delivers one hell
Of a deal.
I saw that too, had a nice price drop... but one thing Intel was lacking at Microcenter were some of the bundle deals vs. AMD. (Most of the intel bundles were for the 12th generation) I just upgraded my PC this week (my older 8 yr old build finally died), but snagged a promotion of an AMD R9 7900X, Asus Strix B550E-F Wifi mobo and 32 gb ddr5 ram for $600. Couldn't find anything around that quality that came close to the price. Curious to see how AMD performs, always used intel until now.
@@Bmage28 that’s on Intel and AMD. A 13700k basically has the same if not better performance than the 7900x AND 7950x in both productivity and gaming. It may be $20-40 more for intel with ram than the Ryzen stuff. Other people are mentioning the 7900x and 7950x had annoying issues.
I had issues with my 3900x which were super annoying so knowing Intel is traditionally more stable, I may just do that.
Got the 13600K for 249. I don’t think the 13700k is worth $80 more.
@@leee9112 with a photography business it makes more sense. If all I did was game and did simpler tasks I’d do a 13600k as well. I may just do that but are there bottlenecks with a higher end gpu and the 13600k?
@@Cary_mac For photo editing I am not sure. Depending also on the card you are running and ram. I know with video editing it definitely does better but not by that much. If it's for business just go with the 13900K and write it off :) .
i think the x3d versions of the amd 7000 series will be far better, cant wait for january
They will come out like in march
@@HasimFN Or not at all.
@@fabrb26 bruh
I’m returning my recently purchased 5800X3D and going back to my 5950X and will wait to upgrade to 7950X3D.
@@HasimFN 14 February, they anounced today
13600K down to $300 today. Pair with Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE cooler ($40) and contact frame ($12) for best, cheapest cooling.
I personally ended up upgrading my 8700k to a 13700k, can't complain!
this is the kind of review i was looking for, ty so much!
Perfect video, thanks. I've been looking for such a cpu comparison
If your intro writing gets any better Paul, they're gonna have to give you an Oscar for best original screenplay. You're even "beating" BITWIT. The teacher has surpassed the pupil....or something
thx Paul for explaining the difference between the 7000 and 5000 series I think I am pulling the trigger on a 5800x3d for gaming :) keep up the good work
It will be great untill next 5 years...look how slow the system upgrade benefit these days...7000 amd meehh..better get hardcore gpu like 4090...and next one.
Great video, great job from Paul. I was just looking for this.
HI, I am on a r5 3600. I will only upgrade to a 5800x3d. I be then fine for a while.
Great video btw.
Micro Center has the 13700k for 399 if you have access to the store. Makes it even a better deal.
$379 now. has been as low as $349 on some weekends.
the pun-age in the intro is simply fantastic. damn. "keep it up" bro
4:48 NVidia just released 526.47. BTW, I purchased a Kingston 1TB NVME SSD using your affiliation code, Paul. It is going with my $200 R7 5700X CPU I just got.
Nice! Yup that's always what I fear while running benchmarks, a new driver dropping that affects frame rates 😅 thank you though!
After getting 4 cores in 2015 for $299 I'm absolutely fine with paying $574US for 24 cores (13900kf)
Great video Paul!
If this is mid range my spec is probably so low its in hell.
Verry nice overall review, thx Paul
running a r7 7700x manual oc 5.25ghz 1.18v on an Asrock x670e pg with Noctua nh d15, max temp under full load 79 °C, gaming power draw around 60w with 68/60 °C, some people managed to manual oc this processor to 5.4ghz with 1.18v, it depends on the processor, honestly just manual oc these new ryzen cpu, much better results in terms of power draw and temperatures, no pbo2 just manual oc
Still gaming on my FX-9590 oven with 32GB DDR3 2400 and an RX 5700 XT (was running two GTX 780s in SLI until I got that card). I may finally break down and upgrade when the AM5 CPUs with 3D V-cache come out.
The 5800x3d is awesome for gaming, I switched from 5900x and it was definitely worth it. Smoother and much better lows. Which is extremely important. When your lows drop out, your game play shows it. A few fps highs faster than the 5900x. It's now pushing my gpu to 99% at all times with only 1-4% on cpu...best gaming option for am4
5800X3D WAY WAY over-priced EXTREMELY overhyped
@tilapia dave it's working perfect for my 3080...maybe not so much for a 4090 though!!! But my fans are finally kicking on. Stays at 99% gpu instead of 95
Hi Paul! When its time for a PC gear lesson and update, i keep coming back to your channel. Thanks for your work.
Today i'm in a great and in a bad position at a same time. My gaming PC is a i5-4590 16 go DDR3 RAM PSU EVGA 750 watts. My GPU : GTX 1650 Super.
My system is way over dûe for a massive upgrade. i'd like
CPU : i5 13600k
MOBO : Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite ax
RAM : G Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3600 PC4 28800
GPU : probably RX6800, RX 6800XT or the RTX 3060 ti
My problem is the CPU cooling and the ATX case.
Intel 13th gets really hot and need solid cooling. I never overclock my gears but even then, in gaming, temp will rise. So i am considering the Noctua NH-D15 Chromax dual tower. The Mobo is a bit room tigh for this cooler. It can fit on the MB only if i raise one of my fans from the heat sink to clear the RAM stick, which will diminish cooler efficency.
For the casing, i dont need hyper sophisticated case but i need to fit my gears in it and i dont want RGB gimmick. ;)
Any sugestion?
Thanks
I just built my new PC, it has an i7 13th gen CPU, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX mobo, corsair vengance 32GB DDR5 ram, NH-D15 Chromax dual tower cooler with a Fractal Torrent case. The fan on the cooler that is above the RAM did have to be raised a little bit for clearance but still plenty of room before it hits the side panel of the case. And the only RGB that I have are the 2 led light strips I added so I could look in there.
Also, I haven't noticed any diminised cooling aspects by raising the one fan up just a little. Playing Cyberpunk 2077 for a few hours today my CPU temp stayed around 55-60 deg C. The Fractal Torrent does have great cooling capabilities. Gamers Nexus gave it best case of 2021 I think, and also best thermal cooling case of 2022.
@@votka47 Thanks Nick! So it seems that my build is acceptable. I'l keep an eye on fractal Torrent case. Now, with DDR-5 and DDR-4 price gap is slowly diminishing, i could be tempted by DDR5. The MOBO price gap is still big though. Thanks again!
@@marcchapleau8343 You're welcome and have fun with your build. Don't know your budget but newegg does have the fractal torrent black non rgb case onsale for $160 with $8 shipping. Cheapest I've seen so far and cheaper than when I bought it!
@@votka47Finaly, in december 2022, i bough :
CPU : Core I5 13600k
Mobo : Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX DDR4
RAM : 32 Go DDr4 3600 (Corsair Vengeance) (no RGB)
Cooler : Noctua NH-D15 Chromax
GPU : RTX 3070 ti
Case : EATX Fractal Torrent case
PSU : Corsair 850 (in the top tier quality)
Everything is doing great although there is one piece i would do differently today : my GPU. Its more than enough for my 1080p gaming needs. I use Very high graphic settings and low DLSS setting. I clearly see (in some games) a small but noticable quality difference, with compare to a RX 6800 XT that i tested. But i know the VRAM difference will make a Huge difference with the newer games in 2 years. But for now, everything is great.
My next move will probably be in the display department : From 1080p to 1440p with a RTX 5080.
@@marcchapleau8343that's awesome. glad it worked out for you!
I chose the I7-13700K over the 13900 for gaming, while budget wasn't an issue, I didn't think the minimal gaming performance increase was worth it. But seeing just how much better it is with workstation applications, I regret it considering im a Engineering major.
Paul...What a clusterf^#@ of a review!!! I love it!!! 🍺You're a rare human that was seemingly born to be a RUclipsr!!! Happy Holidays Everyone!!!
This is a great video overall, one major problem that should be considered in my opinion would be MoBo prices for a z790, unless you do a z690. Regardless you're spending a pretty penny when compared to the new AMD platform. In this case the X3Blows them all out of the water like the 1080ti tended to do to the entire rtx 20 series for many gamers.
How do you perform all these benchmarks and run this entire channel by yourself? It takes Linus 50 people.
He has a full time editor too.
hey there Paul. I know this is an old video.. but Thank you for making it. I've got a 12900K that's been nothing but trouble. I'm sending it back to Intel for them to sort out with either a repair or replacement. I get watchdog errors randomly and I've swapped everything out of this computer but the CPU. That's the one consistent part of the whole saga. Anyway, with the 13700K sitting at $345 today at best buy, I opted to pick that up and just drop it in my PC. I have a 7700x system that I could swap to but I don't want to lose intel quicksync for video work. So that's the dilemma, and I will have the next round of the story tomorrow as I pick up the CPU and get it swapped out.. but my other question is simply this. Power efficiency. Have you compared power efficiency under load vs overall power efficiency? While it's clear that AMD is more efficient under a full workload scenario, what about the rest of the time? Would it make sense to look at the bigger picture? How many users run all core maxed out 100% of the time? Maybe this is something that you've already addressed, as I know several other creators have found intel to hold its own, if not exceed AMD, in overall "real world" day-to-day efficiency. Anyway, if you get the opportunity to take a look, I'd be very interested in your opinions. Now I am waiting for my 13700K to see if that solves all my PC problems.
Cheers
Rick
Hey Paul, this data is great and you've clearly worked your nuts off on all the benching. some constructive feedback, I personally found the overall comparison graphs pretty hard to follow. Hard to determine which CPU beats which when it's multiple data types on one graph. Feel it might not be the best way to present the data. Good video anyway though.
So the delta in CPU package power (gaming) between 13900 and 7950 is 37.5W.
Play games 2 hrs per day, 5 days a week (520hr) x 37.5W = 19,500Wh = 19.5kWh.
So if your average price for electricity is $0.179 per kWh, over one year the difference is TREE FIDDY!
AMD Prices have completely changed since this Review. Much better deals out there on the Ryzen Chips!!
With my 5900X I'll probably be waiting for whatever follows AM5. I game at WQHD and feel the better bang for the buck may be saving up for an OLED ultrawide sometime next year.
Great review, thanks Paul
1:05
Fucking love your humour ! Keep it up!
"You see. That was suggestive"
thank you as always paul
3D V-Cache versions of the Ryzen 7000 chips are going to be crazy!
I’ll buy mine used in 2 years
Doubtful.
Highly doubt it. They’ll prob run even hotter while bringing nothing to the table multithreading wise and you wont see a realistic difference in frames with modern GPUs that you would use said GPU for. For instance, what kinda moron buys a 4090 for 1080? Even buying a 4090 for 1440p is super overkill and makes no sense. A 5600 or 9900K will run as good at 4K as and even 1440p ultra for the most part as any modern CPU. Point is, why the hell would you blow even more money on a zen 4 3D part instead of just get something cheaper that realistically performs the same or has better multithreading or just wait for Zen 5?…. We know core counts gonna go up with Zen 5 anyway
@@Angel7black No, a 4090 for 1440p is not super overkill, especially when you consider RT and high refresh rate, potentially ultrawide 1440p displays out there.
maybe 3D V-Cache wll save ryzen 7000 to shame
Damn Paul! I feel tired just watching this. You and Joe have More than enough need some time off. Thank you so much for this benchmarking information.
My doff my hat to you sir.
I'm fortunate enough to have a Microcenter near me, so I was able to get a motherboard (B650E-F, DDR5, 7900X) - $600. It is the same or cheaper than the 13600k combo (but with better performance from the AMD 7 series). AMD got the message.
I am going to micro center next week and I am specifically going to be looking to see what combos they have in stock when I go. I was currently looking at the 7700x deal because its $500 or the 7600x one for $400
@@happydr_ awesome! I would look at the motherboard for the 7700x deal, to make sure it has everything you will need. The one that comes with 7900x deal is pretty much x670 except for a couple m.2 slots. That's why jumped on that deal.
Hey Paul, I'd like to see you expand your game benchmarks by adding games from a couple different engines. I've seen some reviewers use CS:GO (Source) and some others use Rainbow 6 Siege (same engine as Assassins Creed.) I'd REALLY like to see Unity get some more representation too.
Would misrepresent newer gen cards though. My 1080ti got more fps at max settings 1440p in CSGO than my 3080 does. Because it's a directX9 title.
Adding in these games would make older cards look better than they are, and newer cards look worse than they are
@@aightm8 I mean, I only gave it as an example and I've seen it mostly used in CPU benchmarking. He could use Apex Legends for Source because it's getting DX12 support, but I'm not sure if they have a good benchmark built in...
If you have a Microcenter near you the DDR5-6000 / AMD 7900x combo deals effectively prices the 7900x at aroun $350 making it the best configuration performance/price wise by a wide margin.
The best video comparing AMD 5000 and 7000 vs Intel 12th and 13th gen in both gaming and production tasks!
hahaha that intro though!
give this man a small loan of 1 million likes!!!!