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Guitar Making for Beginners: How to make a scarf joint guitar neck
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- Workshop Wednesday What you gonna do about it? This. In this weeks workshop Wednesday the topic is Guitar Making for Beginners and I will be demonstrating LIVE how to make a scarf joint guitar neck.
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Hope you found this vid useful! If so you might want to check out this playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLHyiEjtsPHFf9j7k-1qs94jHWG2YGtQrr
in case you didn't notice the joint example your showing is glued under the joint, exactly what your talking about not doing. dude, if your want to teach then make sure you know before you film your tutorial that you know exactly what you want to convey to people, just like you were saying to use a 2" blank for the angled headstock and the you turn around and say your using a 1". you don't even correct yourself, what you don't edit your videos? stop wasting peoples time. when your trying your best to learn something on your own confusion is a huge waste of time and is the catalyst for mistakes. get it right.
Wow great, usually you gotta buy a video course to get this class. Thanks!!!
No need to apologize for the intro. I was looking at some cheaper guitars, and I heard the term scarf joint. Now I understand why and what makes certain scarf joints weaker than others. Thank you!
The reason for making the scarf on the neck is actually so you don't have any short grain right on the break angle and has nothing to do with the fret board making it stronger, infact as you glue the cut piece on the bottom you are not gluing on to end grain at I suspect if there is a delamination issue it had to do with inferior glue or gluing process
Cheers Richard - good points!
A session on making jigs May be useful?
Great suggestion - thanks Deej!
I like the Mitre saw or cop saw, and easier than a band saw even with out a jib
I like your video. Jim
Another advantage of making a scarf jointed angled headstock and not a Gibson Les Paul style neck with an angled headstock cut from a single piece of wood (apart from the obvious doubleing of the amount of wood and therefore also the cost) is that a scarf joint is much stronger. The short Grain in a Gibson headstock makes it notoriously prone to breaking.
@12:05 I know this is an older video, but end grain joint weakness is largely a myth. Check out Patrick Sullivans "Glue Myths" video & tests from Sep 2021.
So much so much. Can’t tell you how I appreciate doing all that in real time. It’s a pleasure to see a really clear video. Kudos to your camera person. I’m glad I found you on video so I can see save and referral when I need some good tips. Much appreciated your new fan.
Glad you enjoyed it!
love jiggs , this clip was very usefull, well explained
Cheers!
I just realised that you could use a hockey stick. A long one. First cut it in half (remove the blade) the two pieces are then glued alongside one another. Then make the scarf neck. Hockey sticks must be quite sturdy. Anyway great upload! Thx!
I like that Bass headstock......another pattern to add to the list 😃😉
yeah so I actually got the idea of a headstock with contrasting colors, right. And I'm kinda agreeing on the endgrain is a weak glue joint theory. But I actually really wanted to do like my walnut/oak headstock all the way, right. But I think now I gotta put function over looks. It still will probably look kinda cool, having the taper being larger on the front than on the back, but it's just not how I'd planned it out. Another reason is that I have limited thickness in my rosewood fretboard. I was like, I could still do the scarf joint as you say ''the wrong way'' but just make a thick fretboard, but I'd still have the endgrain issue. I'm convinced, I'm altering my design.
Hi Jon, in building scarf jointed necks for my cigar box guitars, I actually got into the habit of installing a dowel rod at the scarf joint, just for good measure. I think the dowel serves the same purpose as a volute in protecting from breakeage, as we sometimes see on some factory made guitars. Do I really need to do that? Probably not. I just do. LOL. Mike, from Mule Kick Guitars. USA
Found this one very useful. I'm interested in how you do the headstock name, is it inlayed or surface fitted. Would you be able to show it on workshop Wednesday please.
Regards
Bill Allison
I'll do my best Bill! Until then FYI I use Mother of Pearl and Abalone mostly for inlays and Letraset for Logos but there are alternatives - great suggestion THANKS!!
Scarf joints are more durable than the cut from one piece Gibson style neck. The Gibson necks on electric guitars can easily snap off the jpheadstock due to the wood grain direction.
Enjoyed this, thank you!
Am I missing something? You said a fretboard scarf joint is weaker because you are gluing to end grain, but your headstock scarf joint is gluing to end grain as well. It's just that your short piece has the end grain rather than the long piece.
That is a good point...I think the problem is worsened when there are two different species ...e.g. maple with rosewood fretboard. In this case the fretboards often come loose.
This was my big take away from this video. What you are not seeing is the fretboard being glued to the neck. The point in the video is that the fingerboard in this method not glued to end grain. Depending on your glue there could be a greater probability of the glue soaking into the end grain starving the glue at the fingerboard overlap. I’ve had an Ibanez fail this way. The fingerboard was not glued for the first 1-1/2 frets.
Plus points for showing to scrape the sanded surfaces before gluing. A fresh crisp cut is much stronger than a fuzzy sanded surface.
Only down side to this method is that now the scarf joint is visible on the front of the headstock requiring a piece of veneer to cover it, but most do this anyway as part of design. 👍
All scarf joints will be gluing to end grain somewhere, this method means the fretboard won't be glued to end grain, scarf on top can be reinforced with carbon fibre rods or ebony strip(s) and covered by headstock veneer.
I think the area is the same for the two methods. The stacked version just has the final join a bit further up once the head angle is cut if the headstock angle is the same.
Aye - Both methods are probably just as good - the jig method is maybe over-complicated but it is a lorra, lorra fun...
spent all this time making my other face as perfect as can be for glue up, man haha.
I am now thinking though to do like a crazy headstock shape or something because I got all this length, but also kinda worried that will put quite a weight on the neck due to leverage and also be a hazard of just not accounting for this length while playing
Great video as always!
My next project is a messy scarfed joint. The one after that will be a less messy one hopefully.
Is there suppliers of "blanks" for guitar builds, or do you just troll timber merchants etc? Thanks for any info. Great filming and bonus that you are English. Thank you.
What bit do you use for surfacing?
Good stuff🙏✌🏻
Holy shit....make the fretboard first. Makes complete sense but I never thought of that. If you know what width nut you want and the E to e string spread on your bridge....then you know what you need in order to get the exact dimensions of your fingerboard. Shit I bet you could even find a way to use the fingerboard as a template for cleaning up the top neck profile with a router...well, maybe not, I'm pretty new to this.
I know a flamingo guitar company that make scarf joint with 28 degree and this give more tension to the strings so this allows to have much more lower actions to the frets
Wow 28 degrees is extreme! You might get away with it with nylon strings but def NOT recommended for a steel string. The tension of the string will be the same (unless you are tuning differently). But it will be pressing down harder on the nut.
If you did not have a band saw and needed to use a hand saw (this is me) to make the scarf joint cut would making a miter box with a 14 degree angle make the free hand saw cut more accurate?
Yes - I'm pretty sure you could do it without a mitre box but if you wanted to make more than one instrument it might be useful
Hello, Mark. I’ve got a Peavey Predator which neck was made from two pieces of maple. The neck and fretboard is not separate, thus the joint runs from top to bottom and not side to side like usually the case and there is no skunk stripe so I believe the truss rod cavity was made before the two laminated neck pieces were glued together. Hope my explanation is clear? Anyway, I love the neck and it is very stable and comfortable to play. I’m quite intrigued by it and I have never seen this type of neck construction being done or even explained on RUclips. Maybe you can be the first to make such a neck for RUclips? Would love to see your method to get the truss rod in.
Seems a bit hard for hand made scenario - more of a factory thing...I'll look into it though - maybe the internet will help us - THANKS for the brilliant suggestion!!
hi all
I love these videos!
Can you use a scarf joint in a set neck guitar or is it just for bolt on? Thanks
Usually a set neck is made from 2" thick wood so a Scarfed headstock is not required. You can make a Scarfed neck with a Stacked Heel (another 1"piece glued on to the heel area to make up the thickness) and that could be a set neck....hope that makes sense...
What is sizes for the neck on the classic guitar?length, wide an angle?
You should think about joining up and going throughtthe Design course - that will answer all your Q's and more! guitarmaking.co.uk/product/premium/
if you cut the headstock off square, couldnt you face off the angle with the router when its in the jigg
Hey Diesel - I'm not sure what you mean? My advice would be - give it a try and see what happens - make sure to let us know!
and I mean, is it really endgrain? it's more sidegrain then it is endgrain, right, the more 90degree you cut, the more you'd call it endgrain, for glue sake. At least that's how I look at it.
wait a second, I think you shouldn't reason with ''endgrain'' but rather, 2 different pieces of wood underneath a thin piece of wood at diferent angled. It's just better to have one face of wood, like in your orientation. Because the endgrain is weaker theory, would mean it's also weak in your orientation, because the angle of the wood is exactly the same
Hi all
Seems like either way it’s end grain on both
Good point...I probably didn't explain very well...the problem seems to be much worse when gluing different wood species like maple to ebony or rosewood. My way uses maple to maple and never separates. I am just talking from MY own experience. But the beauty of making it yourself is that you get to choose what YOU think is best ! And aint nobody gonna stop ya...
Do you ever reply to your emails?
Hi Phil - we are a bit slower these days as we are still in lockdown here in Scotland, but I havent seen one from you - apologies if you have been waiting - can you resend and we'll both look out for it ? Thank you
Have just searched the emails - found yours in clutter - missed it - again sorry. Full reply coming now :)
@@GuitarMaking understandable, thanks for the reply, I’ll order a fretboard from you soon.
@@philtatnell3685 hey Phil - Carol has sent email with some suggestions. Thank you
I disagree with the fact that the Spanish version is stronger
Hone your Japanese saw
I disagree with the fact that the Spanish version is stronger