I have driven both a 997 tip and a 991 PDK. Both were fun, but I prefer my 981 base with X73, headers, tune and PSE. It’s so much fun. I imagine similar mods on the 911 would be fun as well.
Sounds like a great car you have there! Appreciate the comment and for watching. It’s cool to make the car uniquely yours like it sounds like you have with the 981.
Agree I have a base with X73 also lighter 20kg through wheels/ tyres and exhaust front adjustable LCA and rear toe adjustment. 718 rear rollbar brace plus Rennljne brace and it now has GT3 levels of handling on R spec rubber, without needing additional downforce. I think the X73 suspension is just perfect blend for road and track
I own both a 911 C4S and Cayman S . I have kept them both for a very long time because I love Porsche variety and the different driving experience rear engine vs mid engine offers. The mid engine platform does nothing wrong making it a great handler. The rear engine weight and characteristics of the 997 911 keep you on your toes, which keeps things a bit more exciting at times. Both amazing cars and owning either one is a blessing.
I understand what you mean exactly! People say the C4S is best for winding roads when compared to the CS. Do you have any seat time in a CS to compare the two?
@@trueview3127 Yes, 100 percent. I have a lot of seat time in the base Carrera and Carrera S as well. The 2wd rear engine weight bias of the C2S definitely has the lightest weight layout over the front tires steering the car. This gives you the "purist 911" experience where the front end will wash out / understeer if you are too aggressive on corner entry, or come in too hot on very sharp turns. This can be scary if it catches you off guard. It will also wash out / understeer even more if you get on throttle too early mid corner, which essentially lightens the front end grip even more as the car transfers all the weight back under hard acceleration. Essentially popping a wheelie mid corner is not good either for grip. Hard Brake in a straight line before entering a corner and let the weight settle down on the front tires corner entry for best grip, be patient with throttle until after apex, then mash the pedal to get max acceleration coming out of the corner. That is the way to drive a 911 C2S. The C4S has an extra 100 lbs of weight over the front end and power to all 4 wheels. The extra weight and power on the front end makes a noticeable difference with front end grip throughout the corner, wet or dry, and you can be more aggressive with the throttle and get on the gas just a bit sooner on corner exit. You feel more confident tossing the 911 C4S into a corner with less worry of washing out, BUT, it is still a 911 and will understeer if too aggressive. It for sure is NOT the handling pro of a mid-engined Cayman/Boxster where you feel you can really toss it into a corner and play with the throttle throughout the apex. That is mid engine weight bias advantage, where there is even less worry of understeer during corner entry and mid-corner adjustments in the Cayman/Boxster Layout. 911's still have an advantage on corner exit with rear grip under throttle, where the Cayman/Boxster may spin that inner rear tire under acceleration on corner exit, the 911 just hunkers down, squats, and blasts out of the corner with minimal rear end grip loss. Like I said, Porsche variety is awesome. Different strokes for different folks. 👍🏼👍🏼
I had a 718 Boxster GTS and traded it on a “like new” 997.2 C2S. The Boxster was definitely easier to drive on the limit but souded like a lawn mower. The 911 takes time and nerve to find the limit and is probably not as quick on the small roads in my area (I live in the Mont Ventoux area of Provence). The 911 is definitely better on a longer weekend trip and sounds awesome. When I decided to trade the Boxster I was interested in a 981 Cayman GTS but couldn’t find the right car, retrospectively it is probably the sweet spot between an older 911 and a newer 718.
I was considering a 997 before picking up my 981S. I prefer the looks of the 981, more creature comforts, and my thinking was it might be slightly more reliable as it's newer.
@@trueview3127 They nailed the dimensions and contours of it, as well as the looks and simplicity. I had it in a 997.1 C2S and currently have it in a 987.1CS. The hydraulic steering makes it even sweeter!
Love the Porsches but for me it’s hard to beat a Miata for pure driving bliss because you can drive it at 9/10ths and not be way over the legal limit. Racetrack… Porsche. North Carolina backroads… Miata Is Always The Answer.
Thanks for the comment. I know a few who have both a Miata and a P car in the stable. Check out some of our earlier vids where the Miata chases the Caymans. Fun to see the difference in practice!
Seeing the hp numbers at the beginning makes me think I’d have a fighting chance of keeping up in my E46 M3. However I’m man enough to know I do not possess anywhere enough driver skill to keep up in a 6MT.
People love to smack talk the Cayman, until they struggle to catch one in a 911. Driving them back to back really showcases just how different they really are even though they share 75% of the same parts.
They are so different and what’s amazing is how much, as you point out, they are also the same. Tuning a suspension is so nuanced and Porsche does it well. The cars have different personalities as a result. As always - appreciate it!
The front rear weight distribution of 911 vs caymans is on 2-3%… that’s not major or game changing. The 981 cayman is pretty much identical in size to the 997 so they should feel similar (as a 997 owner I am biased 🙂)
You’re right on that they are almost identical in size - although the 997 is about 200 lbs heavier - and it’s all in the rear end! Thanks for joining the discussion!
I have driven both a 997 tip and a 991 PDK. Both were fun, but I prefer my 981 base with X73, headers, tune and PSE. It’s so much fun. I imagine similar mods on the 911 would be fun as well.
Sounds like a great car you have there! Appreciate the comment and for watching. It’s cool to make the car uniquely yours like it sounds like you have with the 981.
Agree I have a base with X73 also lighter 20kg through wheels/ tyres and exhaust front adjustable LCA and rear toe adjustment. 718 rear rollbar brace plus Rennljne brace and it now has GT3 levels of handling on R spec rubber, without needing additional downforce. I think the X73 suspension is just perfect blend for road and track
Just looked up the X73 - cool upgrade to the sport suspension. Will let my buddy with the 981 base know about it being an option.
Probably not quite as fast but much more akin to surfing. Having owned both I would have to stick with the 997
I have always wanted to surf - never tried it - but somehow I can understand exactly what you mean. Cool analogy.
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@@trueview3127 I'm angling to move down that way.. call it a five year plan. Maybe we'll ride together sometime!
@oliverradcliffe7974 sounds good - let us know if you do and please stay tuned! Appreciate it.
I own both a 911 C4S and Cayman S . I have kept them both for a very long time because I love Porsche variety and the different driving experience rear engine vs mid engine offers. The mid engine platform does nothing wrong making it a great handler. The rear engine weight and characteristics of the 997 911 keep you on your toes, which keeps things a bit more exciting at times. Both amazing cars and owning either one is a blessing.
I understand what you mean exactly! People say the C4S is best for winding roads when compared to the CS. Do you have any seat time in a CS to compare the two?
@@trueview3127 Yes, 100 percent. I have a lot of seat time in the base Carrera and Carrera S as well. The 2wd rear engine weight bias of the C2S definitely has the lightest weight layout over the front tires steering the car. This gives you the "purist 911" experience where the front end will wash out / understeer if you are too aggressive on corner entry, or come in too hot on very sharp turns. This can be scary if it catches you off guard. It will also wash out / understeer even more if you get on throttle too early mid corner, which essentially lightens the front end grip even more as the car transfers all the weight back under hard acceleration. Essentially popping a wheelie mid corner is not good either for grip. Hard Brake in a straight line before entering a corner and let the weight settle down on the front tires corner entry for best grip, be patient with throttle until after apex, then mash the pedal to get max acceleration coming out of the corner. That is the way to drive a 911 C2S. The C4S has an extra 100 lbs of weight over the front end and power to all 4 wheels. The extra weight and power on the front end makes a noticeable difference with front end grip throughout the corner, wet or dry, and you can be more aggressive with the throttle and get on the gas just a bit sooner on corner exit. You feel more confident tossing the 911 C4S into a corner with less worry of washing out, BUT, it is still a 911 and will understeer if too aggressive. It for sure is NOT the handling pro of a mid-engined Cayman/Boxster where you feel you can really toss it into a corner and play with the throttle throughout the apex. That is mid engine weight bias advantage, where there is even less worry of understeer during corner entry and mid-corner adjustments in the Cayman/Boxster Layout. 911's still have an advantage on corner exit with rear grip under throttle, where the Cayman/Boxster may spin that inner rear tire under acceleration on corner exit, the 911 just hunkers down, squats, and blasts out of the corner with minimal rear end grip loss. Like I said, Porsche variety is awesome. Different strokes for different folks. 👍🏼👍🏼
@@qikqbn77 If you are looking at the comments and want to learn something - expand the comment above and read it! Thanks for the great analysis!😀
@@trueview3127 👍🏼👍🏼💪🏼💪🏼
I went with a 981S over a 997.1 myself. No regrets. Now I’m in a 718 CGTS. Mid-engine is hard to beat.
All good cars! Is your 718 GTS pre 4.0?
@@trueview3127 2024 model so it’s a 4L!
I probably knew that from previous comments! Thanks for reminding me.
I had a 718 Boxster GTS and traded it on a “like new” 997.2 C2S. The Boxster was definitely easier to drive on the limit but souded like a lawn mower. The 911 takes time and nerve to find the limit and is probably not as quick on the small roads in my area (I live in the Mont Ventoux area of Provence). The 911 is definitely better on a longer weekend trip and sounds awesome. When I decided to trade the Boxster I was interested in a 981 Cayman GTS but couldn’t find the right car, retrospectively it is probably the sweet spot between an older 911 and a newer 718.
Sounds like a great car ownership journey! Mont Ventoux roads must be fantastic! Thanks for the comment! Merci!
Man that 997 sounds so good! So much more mechanical than the 981 or 718. You can hear all the little bits thrashing around behind you.
You can hear the 981 a few times on the way into corners down shifting just ahead!
I was considering a 997 before picking up my 981S. I prefer the looks of the 981, more creature comforts, and my thinking was it might be slightly more reliable as it's newer.
Totally - I am sure you are correct - you made the right choice for you. Good to consider both!
Sound fantastic! Liking the POV of the 911. Is that the one that crashed on the Back of the Dragon a few episodes ago?
Sadly yes - unfortunate end to the 997.
That 987/997.1 Sport steering wheel may be the most perfect steering wheel ever made.
Great feeling of control and simplicity - just steering and a horn!
@@trueview3127 They nailed the dimensions and contours of it, as well as the looks and simplicity. I had it in a 997.1 C2S and currently have it in a 987.1CS. The hydraulic steering makes it even sweeter!
Great feel of the road. You feel all the bumps through wheel.
Great videos as always. It would be nice to see a brief look around the cars before you set off, nothing to in-depth. 👍
Thanks - and good idea! Appreciate the suggestion
981S is one of the most underrated cars. Mine is sapphire blue and people think its a $100k car.
Beautiful color! Fun to own and drive such a great car for sure. Enjoy and be safe out there!
Love the Porsches but for me it’s hard to beat a Miata for pure driving bliss because you can drive it at 9/10ths and not be way over the legal limit. Racetrack… Porsche. North Carolina backroads… Miata Is Always The Answer.
Thanks for the comment. I know a few who have both a Miata and a P car in the stable. Check out some of our earlier vids where the Miata chases the Caymans. Fun to see the difference in practice!
I’ve seen it. I’ve seen all the videos on this channel. Keep up the great work.
I have a 981 Cayman GTS. Previously had a 996 C4. When I bought my GTS I never even considered a 911.
I like it - sounds like the Cayman resonates with you for sure! Such great handling. Thanks for the comment!
Yeah it’s great value too often on special at Suncoast
Seeing the hp numbers at the beginning makes me think I’d have a fighting chance of keeping up in my E46 M3. However I’m man enough to know I do not possess anywhere enough driver skill to keep up in a 6MT.
I am sure you could - that’s a great car by the way. Hope we have the chance someday! See you out there!
People love to smack talk the Cayman, until they struggle to catch one in a 911. Driving them back to back really showcases just how different they really are even though they share 75% of the same parts.
They are so different and what’s amazing is how much, as you point out, they are also the same. Tuning a suspension is so nuanced and Porsche does it well. The cars have different personalities as a result. As always - appreciate it!
The front rear weight distribution of 911 vs caymans is on 2-3%… that’s not major or game changing. The 981 cayman is pretty much identical in size to the 997 so they should feel similar (as a 997 owner I am biased 🙂)
You’re right on that they are almost identical in size - although the 997 is about 200 lbs heavier - and it’s all in the rear end! Thanks for joining the discussion!