Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Review - SUPER SPOILERS!
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Indy 5 isn't nearly as bad as many are saying but it's still far from a great film because of obvious massive changes during production. Seeing it made me believe the reshoot rumors even more and I go into detail about what I believe was changed. MAJOR SPOILERS you have been warned!
Mostly serviceable. That's the bar for entertainment in 2023.
The bar for every year. Most movies aren't that good. Only a few gems a year
@@meegstomtomExactly. People have these weird biases where they're like "movies were so much better X amount of years ago" when they're really just thinking of the ones that stood the test of time. Like, the internet now thinks 10-30 years ago was some kind of golden age of movies. But I was there, practically living in movie theaters. Most of that shit was awful. And we were saying some of the same shit.
They destroyed his character for the sake of a Mary Sue, girl boss, killed his only Son, destroyed his marriage, made him look like an alcoholic and made him lose all hope and give up, then gets knocked out by a Woman half his size. Yes, it is as bad as people are saying and the ticket sales (or lack of) prove it.
"Ben Heck gives Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny a glowing review!" - Disney
All three of Harrison Ford's signature characters have been deconstructed into bitter has-beens, twice too make room for female Mary Sues. What a dumb time for movies.
There were barely any strong female leads when we were growing up, maybe that’s why so many men are crying about it now. They can’t deal with men not being the centre of attention, or the absolute hero.
It’s great that young women are in strong leading roles nowadays. That young girls, our daughters, nieces, granddaughters and sisters have movie heroes to look up to, like we had.
It’s 2023, not 1983… time to move on.
@Liofa73 Sarah Connor, Ellen Ripley, Princess Leia, ect. How come they didn't bother me? Becsuse they weren't written to replace beloved characters.
It's supposedly an Indiana Jones movie. People aren't going because it turns out it isn't.
Cling to this strawman about misogyny being why modern films are failing. It won't matter. Ask Disney's accountants....
@@Liofa73Turns out you were sleeping through the 80’s if you didn’t thin’ there were any strong female leads.
@@Liofa73Men absolutely want strong women. Weak women are mental and neurotic. Men want equal partnership with women we need and rely on women. Men just don't want to be made out to be incompetent morons in everything, especially not to propup bad or unappealing charaters. Its also worth remembering people watch films for entertainment not self flagellation. It's 2023? No kidding, maybe we could see 50% representation of women in the armed services, the police, construction, working on oil rigs, garbage collection or any number of other dangerous, difficult and dirty work men do for society. Women seem happy to want more representation as CEOs but not the unpleasant aspects of life. People like you lack empathy or gratitude for what came before, the past wasn't perfect and you're caught up in a ridiculous binary narrative of women good men bad. Both genders have the potential for bad or good. Have you ever considered what would be left if you took away what men have brought to society? I just want movies to be good, to be entertaining. If they aren't I won't watch them, that simple. I hope you are watching present day movies, because if you don't, who the hell are they being made for?
@danmoos I completely agree with you. Han Solo and Indy are my favorite movie hero's and they were completely dumped on to prop up forgettable films. Its depressing. These companies have no right to our money. They make bad movies/games, they get no money. Simple. Its different if they were making art, and they had some good reason to show a characters descent.... But this ain't that. Disney are no longer artists, they're hacks at best.
This movie isn't anything but complete dogshit. Indi already had a decent ending in Crystal Skull. Crystal Skull is also dogshit.
A good honest review. Went to see the movie a few days ago and 100% agree with you.
There's a myriad of issues with this movie. But watching it won't give your unborn kids AIDS like most RUclipsrs suggest.
My only disappointment was that short round wasn't included. He deserved a scene.
They should have tossed the girl, and replaced her with Short Round. As for the kid, get rid of him, too. Not sure why he was needed. Well, this movie made a lot of mistakes. But it was okay.
They destroyed all my childhood heroes with modern remakes. They are all depressed and alcoholics now in Hollywoods vision of them. Even Chip n Dale Lol
@@bad1080no "chip and Dale" in the US in some parts of Europe "chip und chap"
At this point, a Ben Heck review is way more entertaining than whatever movie is being reviewed. That’s either a critique of the movies or a nod to the reviewer or maybe both.
I think most “reviewers” are too caught up in the male anger and click bait aspects of “reviews”. So they play up to the outraged in order to get views.
The crowd that watches the “Everything that’s wrong with…” videos, looking to confirm their own biases.
Those videos are for the people that are gullible and fall for populist politics and Jordan Peterson.
Nowadays it’s which reviewer shouts loudest that is listened too, rather than listening to sensible, open minded professional reviewers.
Everyone is a critic, but most people engage their mouths before their brains and open-minded critical analysis isn’t their forte.
@@Liofa73so many bad takes from just one person. I'm actually glad Ben isn't as dissapointed as me. I know he's a huge fan of the Indy movies. Different people enjoy films at different levels. Somepeople are content with spectical and others need more. Also Jordan Peterson makes solid and clear arguments for his perspectives. You on the other hand seem to be saying now that women are now just the same as men things are better.
Servicable lol. It should’ve never been made.
Colin Furz's tuktuk could outrun a car... 😝
It's not good, it's not bad...well the writing is pretty bad but we are so used to horrible writing that it's par for the course at this point.
I'm glad you didn't hate it. I'm not going to see it. I Love Indiana Jones, and I actually didn't mind Kingdom of the Crystal Skull; I actually thought it was a clever mixture of time appropriate villains and legends. I've reached a point where I'm not giving companies money anymore baiting me with nostalgia and then taking a dump on my hero's with their own pathetic views. With Star Wars Ep9, I had the chance to watch it for free and couldn't bring myself to finish the title crawl. I don't mind new takes but if you have to dump on established worlds and characters, and rip them down and destroy them just to launch your own 'fanfiction' I'm not going along with it anymore. Star Wars, Star Trek, LotR.... Until I see some evidence you know how to make something good, I'm out.
And also, please play Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis... You could do one of those play and talk videos? I absolutely love that game, it's really good. That said, you also have to remember its a 31 year old game.... That fact makes me feel ancient! Haha
Someone should do a parody of the opening scene where they're looking for the trilogy box set on the train, but discover it's just 4 & 5
If I remember correctly, there was a rumor that Indy 4 was going to be based on the Spear of Destiny comics by Dark Horse, so I wonder if the reference in the beginning of the film was sort of a little Easter egg for the fans. I actually didn't finish the movie because it was kind of boring. The first 20 minutes were fun, but the rest was meh. Old Indy didn't even seem as engaged as he did in Crystal Skull.
Your Harrison Ford impersonation is the same as your Bill Pullman impersonation.
"We're not doing this for the money!"
@@BenHeckHacksI disagree you have excellent Ford impression , don't let anyone say different , hear that from WYLD ELF26 with my seal 🦭 of approval 😸👍👍
No one is arguing that they didn't set out to make a terrible movie, they obviously did and they succeeded brilliantly at it.
No it's not. It's a dumpster fire.
Most shocking thing is Ford's attitude towards this character and prospect of sequels , ,in earlier accounts he claimed he always loved the character in contrast to his Solo , , , but doing press for this film he's indicating he doesn't want more sequel , , ,shock to me it's contradictory to his previous stance , , ,was pretty certain Ford probably would do this character til he's 100 , , 🤔🤔 oh temporal dynamics simple if dude prevented the "torpedo sinking of the Lucitainia" , ,the US wouldn't have joined the war so early and Axis forces wouldve dominated all of Europe , , , Japan/Hawaii thing might still occur but time travel badguy would probably get his Uber leaders to convince Japan not to attack guaranteeing 3rd Reich world domination, , , , solid Review Mr Heck , , ,😸👍
middling, felt like 2 differnet movies, and doesn't seem to add anything. Unnecessesary
Zero reasons why HF should be in this movie.
As a fellow lifelong Indy fan (and card carrying member of the crystal skull fan club) it's a solid 6.5/10
Good writing good acting just too long and with some strange plot points
I agree with this take, but I thought it was a little bit better than you did... but then again I hated Temple of Doom and Short Round and Screaming Kate Capshaw. I don't recall the part in the teaser where Helena moves the big stone ball, though... cutting room scraps repurposed?
From what I understood, the CIA had a deal with the Nazi that they would help him get the Antikythera mechanism if he would get them to the moon. It was a un-needed plot element in my opinion. I think Indiana Jones movies would be better by going with the "less is more" mentality.
it's dumb because the CIA only needs to tell him "help us get to the moon before the soviets and you get to keep your life"
My guess is the pilot was in the plane to support the "Indy remains in past" ending. You have the pilot say, "this plane can only carry three people," then Indy would sacrifice himself by staying in the past. But that wouldn't work, because Indy could go hang out with the grail knight until he's back in his time.
I thought it was ok, definitely better than crystal skull, though crystall skull captures better the indiana jones aesthetic imo. This movie is a little too long, has many unnecessary plot points but overall a nice theater experience. And if you think about it, if they removed those plot points then what's left? I mean, why did Indiana Jones went to wherever the auction was taking place? Only to retrieve the dial? To prove his innocence? I mean, realistically speaking it didnt seem like it was going to be hard to explain he had nothing to do with the murders. Much less trouble than going though all that sh*t. And then he simply accepts he has to go diving etc. I dont know... didn't convince me. The motivations are too weak, weaker than crystall, i think it missed the religious magic stuff that's at the core of the Indiana movies. Overall, it was a better, less cringy experience than crystal. So.. meh... Not terrible, but not a waste of my time. Oh, could have been 30 minutes shorter also (less train, less insane flashing action sequences where you cant see sh*t, the whole cia plot etc)
I agree that the scene where he discusses his son’s death was a very emotional one. He provided some very good acting for it.
mostly serviceable aka bad
I still can't forget how they butchered a Harley Softail in _Crystal Skull_ tho 😛
Why should the context of production difficulties matter on whether I should be ok with the final product? That was a weird point to keep making. I'm done giving my money to hacks like Disney.
Finally watched it and had to come back here to comment. I agree with a lot of what you said. It beat my expectations, but only because I set the bar so low with everything I’ve heard over the last six months. The first problem I had was with the CIA lady and Voller. It was never clear why she and the thugs she was with were working together. I caught something along the lines that the US government needed him for his rocket smarts to get to the moon, but it still didn’t make sense. The one guy, Hauke, was so large I thought they applied CGI to him. Nope. He’s 7’ 2” in real life. Still, the whole relationship between all of them was so confusing that it hindered my enjoyment for the next half an hour because I was still trying to work out in my head how they fit together before I gave up and got my head back into the movie. For a second I thought Helena might do a double cross and show that she was working with them as well, fooling Indy and pitting him against everyone, but that thankfully didn’t come to pass. I was also frustrated when they left the diving location and headed right to their destination. I knew they’d get followed. They couldn’t do anything, like travel to another city and get on another boat or take a car? Lastly, after arriving in the past and spending some time there, I couldn’t wait to see how they’d get back. It’s the kind of thing you usually see in a movie. They’d make they’re way back and an engine would fail, the portal would be near closing, or someone would have to make a choice a bail to make the plane lighter or go out on a wing to fix a mechanical component. Nope. He gets punched in the face and wakes up in his time. It’s usually what a production would do if they ran out of money. There was no build up at all getting back to his own time.
The direction and editing is painfully sub par for a blockbuster action film. It constantly breaks continuity like the way he gets framed for murdering those innocent people and then the movie forgets to resolve it before the end.
It's because the original intention was for Indy to die in the past.
I wonder why they would have scrapped such an amazing idea at the last second? This movie was laughably bad as a stand alone adventure film made even more disappointing by the title of one of the greatest action hero franchises in film history. The best part was the de-aged stuff in the beginning and would have made a far better feature length film even with his geriatric voice. They may as well have brought Marcus back to make this muppet-faced amazon his neice or daughter. Ugh.
It was leaked that there was going to be a young and old Indy in the past working together, but young Indy would die in the end, wiping out his history. His Niece then would take his hat and name and do all his old adventures only better in a montage reel. They would then reboot the Franchise with PWB as the lead in a Disney+ tv series. They used some of the original time travel stuff for the flashback scene in the beginning. People were not happy about this original cut and the flack was severe and test audiences hated it as well.
Some awful people wrote a terrible story and it bombed in a test setting? You don't say? The finished product is still a gold plated turd.
I think I will stick to the 3 originals. No point in spending your cash on watching this. I prefer the Ben's reviews on this movie than the actual movie
Subways and horses ...instant coffee...it could have been an history based after seeing the alien and that place that crumble in that sink hole.. it's not the same at all.
I ate mediocre food at applebees for the free mediocre kid's meals yesterday and didn't even get my free tickets to a mediocre movie I don't want to see, 0/10, unsubscribed, Ben ruined my life
thanks!
Side note: Clickspring on RUclips replicated the Antikythera Mechanism with replicas of ancient tools
I noticed he (recently) hash tagged it with #dialofdestiny. I hope he gets a bunch of views due to the movie.
Rumer has it, once the machine was activated, it sent him back in time, never to be seen again...
Yeah I watched those videos, he's got some incredible skills.
This comment section is more entertaining than the movie.
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They should've just made one more in the late 90s and called it quits.
Me personally, I'll just keep pretending that the film series ended with the Last Crusade, and Indy died quietly in his sleep at the Shady Pines Retirement Home, and his whip and hat were stolen from his grave and put on display at the Smithsonian Institution. #ItBelongsInAMuseum
the lance was the same as the idol, the cross of Coronado, or the diamond / emperor's ashes. Just the tail end of another adventure they're on.
I wished they never made this movie. Did not feel indiana jones at all.
I don't think I nessissarly mind Harrison Ford being older. I resent the took so long to pull something together, and that subsequently he got so old. Unworkably so. My main complaint is that they're not making an Indiana Jones movie they're making another female centric girlboss movie focused on ticking boxes, and wrapping it in Indiana Jones paper so people will go see it. I don't mind them making girlboss movies, just don't ruin Indy and pretend you love the character like the fans do. It's just a parsitic message infecting the host franchise... Leading to the death of the host property. I wish they'd made Fate of Atlantis.... That said it probably wouldn't have been as good given Ford is 30-40 years too old for it. Sophia Hapgood in that story was a strong willed woman, who's only sin in modern politics would be to have a romantic arc with Indy. It's sad that a man and woman falling in love in a story these days is seen as regressive, as opposed to being as natural as breathing.
What's wrong with this movie? First, Helena Shaw is insufferable with no redeeming qualities. She leaves Indy, her Godfather, to die three times. She insults and berates him, and literally laughs as Indy's friend is murdered. She is a literal grave-robber and sells antiquities on the black market. She ogles and objectifies men, and tells the audience how charming and attractive she is (she isn't). Second, the scriptwriters killing Indy's son and turning Indy into a broken man is unforgivable. Lucas calls these movies his "children", and his figurative children have been murdered onscreen (Mutt and Han Solo). Everything about this movie is cancer.
And Indy wasn’t a grave robber in every other movie?
@@Liofa73 Indiana Jones brought antiquities to museums and kept them out of the hands of private collectors and profiteers. Helena Shaw just literally steals and sells to the highest bidder.
@@Liofa73You are one defensive Feminist 😂
My grandfather was born in 1900, which would've made him roughly the same age as Indiana Jones. I just can't picture my grandpa living through the same world history as Indy.
colinfurze built a tuk tuk for far cry 4 that could go that fast.
I now know more about this than any other film I will never watch. Well, except maybe Titanic. Thank you sir.
Just watched it, the younger Jones is uncanny (looks like a video game) but it's only in the beginning
I had to deal with people talking in the theatre the whole time, like full on conversations great
The kid hotwires a plane lol
But isn't there a racist black woman in this film?
I just wonder, who TF thought that Phoebe Waller-Bridge was a great cast? Oh wait, Kathleen Kennedy is a producer on this one. Nevermind.
It felt super abrupt for the ending otherwise it was fine. I was like why didn’t we finish this 😂
Somehow I feel that the people dreaming-up those titles are running out of inspiration. Kingdom of the crystal skull sounds like Indiana Jones discovered Dan Aykroyd's vodka. And Dial of destiny sounds like he's on the hunt for some magical rotary dial phone that calls fake psychic hotlines for free 🙄
It is a good ending to the movie collection.
Thanks for this. I was going to watch it in the cinema and then I saw all the negative video's about it so decided not to go. But now I'm in doubt.
Eh I wouldn't call it a good movie. Just that it's not nearly as bad as many are saying.
@@BenHeckHacks I guess I'll watch it from home. Don't want another Rise of Skywalker disappointment.
@@ctrlaltdudeOh God that was a mess. Last Jedi left the story with nowhere to go. Now last Jedi? That movie BLOWS
no, it isn't
In the beginning you mention the darkness and artificially lit scenes, with large "sky lights" in the background that you can see through the trees....
Not sure if YOU have noticed this, but it seems within the last decade or so, the trend has become to SHOOT DURING THE FUCKING DAY, and then *_make_* it appear to be night in *post!* 😮💨🤦♂️
I'm not sure if I've seen movies employ this awful tactic, but I know _shows_ love to do it! So, it would not surprise me in the slightest if that's being used in this movie... _(which I have no motivation to see, hence watching your video ❤)_
I hate it though. Because the entire scene is strangely over-lit, in areas that moonlight simply wouldn't have enough energy to scatter to, and objects cast too dark of shadows. 🙄
Comical when you think about it, with the huge push for HDR in the film industry, but then they pull *_this_* sort of nonsense and consider it to be acceptable! 😏👍
OK
DoD... Booooooo, you are easily pleased. Me I'm just fed up with the shoveling of stupid. If you want my money, try harder.
You are the first person not to tear this movie apart.
Nah, RLM did a review too and it was very similar to this one.
@@sprybugMust be a Wisconsin thing. Eh what can I say? I didn't hate it. Has they done the original ending? Different story!
other reviewers have you think it's the worst movie of all time and rejoice that it's going to bankrupt Disney. Hate gets the clicks
I know what you mean, I can't watch the news these days as every article is so negative. Or the stories they elivate or suppress seems to fit into some idiologic agenda. I disagree that people are complaing simply to complain. Many reviewers also make reviews of quality products they recommend. We don't owe companies anything. If they make something, your oppions are your own. They want to lace their products with their world views fine, but we don't have to accept it. If the quality of the goods aren't good, don't waste your money or your Time. Don't fill your mind with bad product, garbage in, garbage out.
People in the comments moaning about how movies aren't as good as their childhood. You're actually lamenting the loss of your youth. There were plenty of awful movies that we thought were great when we were kids in the 70s and 80s, when watching through childs eyes. Flick them on now and you'll wonder what the hell you saw in them.
As for those moaning about female leads and "Mary Sue" characters, give it up. Embrace the fact that young girls will grow up with female movie heroes. Your daughters will be able to play action scenes with their brothers and their friends, Acting out scenes from films like we did, rather than relegating the girls to characters that had to be saved from danger or for the most part not let them play with us at all.
Maybe then kids will grow up as equals and 50yr old men won't be incensed by seeing women in action movie leads.
So you admit the these so called female heroes (or Mary Sue, as you call them) are meant to fill a quota to fulfill some political agenda? Hell, even Daisy Ridley has basically apologized for how bad her Rey character is.
@ Liofa73 - I think the notion that men are trying to keep women out is funny. When I was young, we'd have loved girls to be into what we are, but they weren't. I think a lot of people became 'geeks' once people understood how good the properties were, and its became increasingly mainstream. I also believe this attracted a lot of parasites who saw there was money and power to be made, but lacked a real authentic passion.
There's the idea that a black woman can't play a Chinese man, or a Mexican shouldn't be cast in an Irish role, as it would take the job away or something. Or that they can't know that authentic truth. At the same time they'd criticise men in the game industry for making games from their own perspective, or how they get women wrong or there isn't enough representation.... Those two ideas seem in opposition to me. You can't criticise people for making what they did from their experience and perspective. I think if people want their truth herd they should make it, if it's good their message will resonate with people. A lot of entertainment is getting far too bogged down in idiosyncratic minutiae. Not having stories based in truth and worthwhile relatable morals. They can keep shoveling out garbage, I don't care I wont watch it, but we all will have to live in the world with the people it's influencing and molding.
I also reject the notion that the only way to liberate women is to make them in a mans image. People should be absolutely free to follow their passions, but I utterly reject the kind of social engineering done top down from being conglomerate multinational companies telling women who they are and what they should like. I don't know where you grew up be we certainly didn't exclude girls from play. Given the fact when kids play they play as aliens from space or robots, I don't see the gender being some big deal. Furthermore, women as action stars? Aliens Ellen Ripley, Cowboy Bebop's Fay Valentine or Julia, Kill Bill's Beatrix Kiddo (oh or any of the other Deadly Vipers)... We're being sold a false narrative here. There are tones of strong female characters, people these days are complaining about pathetically written female characters without flaws that only exisit around male characters devoid of quality who get upstaged at every turn.
I enjoyed it. But I went in with low expectations because of Crystal Skull. They way they killed off Mutt between movies makes me think the producers didn't like that movie either. My biggest beef with the movie was the kid flying the plane. Also, not only was there no swinging on vines, there were no giant killer ants and no crystal skulls.
According to rumors the original ending they did go back to the 1930s and stayed there. I think they added Short Round 2 flying the plane in reshoots when they changed it to Syracuse ending. They already had Helena and the landing gear, so they added kid flying (plus the set up scene in Tangiers)
It was good, looked really good in IMAX! Worth seeing, best movie - no
I agree with your review. The movie's okay, but keep an open mind. I gave it a 7/10 rating.
I find some of the comments here pretty amusing. like "your opinion about this movie is different than mine, therefore I question everything you've reviewed. How dare you have a different opinion. You must always agree with me." -- I just laugh.
Whelp, never heard of your channel before but your credibility instantly evaporated. Moving on…
Kathleen Kennedy is coming back
People having opinions over other peoples opinions is a crazy thing to witness in this comment section.
It's called conversation and is quite normal.
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Idk I don’t see Ben really replying to anyone. Pretty one sided if you ask me.
@@perpetualcollapse Ben is just one dude. I'm sure he doesn't want to spend his every waking moment replying to everything that's said on his videos. He's already told us what he thinks, after that, if he sees something worth replying to maybe he will maybe not, just like anyone would. If you look through this tread he's replied to lots of people.
@@hyperteleXii complaining about someones opinions isn't much of a conversation. Disagreeing with it could lead to a conversation.
@@meegstomtom You haven't figured out that a complaint is a disagreement, yet?
I'm really enjoyed this movie, much better than crystal skull.
The weird thing is, Crystal Skull is much more memorable.
I have a feeling because it's Disney now that certain media outlets want to kill the film and are being unnecessarily harsh on it.
Bawhahahaahahaaaaa!
Best. Movie. EVAH!!!