Love these videos! Very informative and funny with the right amount of dare I say sarcasm. My sides hurt from laughing but my brain thanks you for the knowledge. *Build a system with enough RGB that you can see it from the moon.* LOL I also like how you use Subliminal messages in the form of words to flex on us viewers at times. hahaha That inferno 12900KS will be a pass for me, don't want to overwork my central air and I have to admit I do feed my cat fancy feast, don't hate.hahaha That 5800X3D sounds ok, but the price is to high. To me the 12600K is looking to be the better one. Again love the video, kudos to you and the team!
At 69 years old, this never gets old for me. I'm currently building another system with this CPU. I'm currently using a system with a i9-9900K, which I built in 2020 on a ASUS Prime Z-390 motherboard with 32 GB of XPG DDR4 3200MHz RAM. I've researched enough and with the deals from Amazon, I couldn't pass on this chip. As for your presentation, I've watched your other videos and I have to say I'm entertained. Your no BS, straight talk is refreshing in this day and age. I love the little inside jokes too. Keep it up! (I do need some DDR5 RAM, ha ha. 2 sticks would be enough to get me going.)
I think this is the first time I've come to your channel. You've earned a like and subscribe my friend. Informative, entertaining, and reasonable. Well done!
Extreme overclockers will definitely buy it, because it's binned chip with good potentials. If someone is going to build a 12900K system, maybe spending an additional $150 is not that big of a deal, but it won't attract a non-i9 buyer to turn to the i9 series because it's "the fastest gaming CPU".
Hi roby, I have 9900KS 5Ghz all core, playing on 5120x14400 will you think I will see a difference in performance If I upgrade to 12900KS using g.skill trident royal elite DDR4 4000mhz cl16 16GB X4?
Great Videos, not offensive, constructive and very understanding! I’ve just purchased the i9 12900ks to pair with a DDR5 Maximus Hero Z690 MB and 3090ti! I just wanted the best and this is mainly due to your reviews!
Hi John, I have 9900KS 5Ghz all core, playing on 5120x14400 will you think I will see a difference in performance If I upgrade to 12900KS using g.skill trident royal elite DDR4 4000mhz cl16 16GB X4?
Scaling with ddr4 and ddr5, just snagged a 5950 last week. What throws me is when it goes to gpu processing why would it drop on the 1440p with the higher ddr with the gpu?
I don't really understand why in almost all KS CPU reviews, there is no emphasis on undervolting, that is a huge advantage on a binned CPU, you can basically retain 12900K performance at closer to 12700K power draw and thermals, also there are a lot of discounts for such high margin parts, so you can getr them for a very small premium over then non S CPU.
I'd love to get this 12900ks CPU Please which motherboard will be recommended for it, can I go with the ASUS ROG STRIX Z-690-F GAMiNG WiFi or ... Which will you recommend?
Having had a 12900k and just having bought a 12900ks i will say the difference is clear between the two and the Asus board SP numbers are totally different. My old 12900k was an 82SP, the new 12900ks was initially a 96SP and then suddenly went down to a 92SP after a bios update to 1403 on my old z690 Hero board, (what a crock of shit those hero boards are btw - dont touch them). I then bought a z690 maximus extreme motherboard and plugged in the 12900ks and it went to 200SP! , after a bios update to 1403 it went back to 92..... 100 on the P cores and 77 on the E cores. So what does this SP number mean ? I can tell you, nothing really. The 12900KS runs at a solid 5.2ghz constantly on all 8 of its P cores, it stays mostly at 5.4/5ghz and actually peaks regularly at 5.7ghz! - its a beast and clearly ive got a decent example, because it never gets hotter than 75Deg C - not ever and thats on just an AIO for cooling it. I have a Z63 280mm AIO from NZXT and i thought initially id have to perhaps consider a 320 or even a 420 AIO or custom loop for cooling the KS after watching some youtube reviews, but the Z63 copes easily in honesty. What i will mention is about the memory on this platform, i run 2 x16GB sticks of G-Skill Trident Z5 @ DDR5 6000mhz but only at 5800mhz I do this because at 6000mhz it just isnt stable and that was on both boards and on both the 12900k and the 12900ks cpu's, i cannot recommend G-skill Z5 6000mhz memory sadly, it doesnt do what it says on the tin and for me is a fall from grace as i bought it thinking it would do what it was advertied at - it doesnt and i wont get caught twice buying it. I think i will look to get some 6400mhz Corsair dominator and see if that fares better in honesty. Memory XMP profiles and running four sticks especially does seem to be an issue on this z690 platform, running four sticks seems impossible so be warned guys dont buy four stick unless you want two of them sat in a drawer or you want to run tham at the base 4800mhz.... I hope a bios update sorts this out, i wont hold my breath waiting But i can tell you i dont regret buying the KS for a single second and for me it is worth every penny of the 150 usd extra - it is lovely knowing you have the best binned cpu and seeing it peak at 5.7Ghz on simply an AIO
Hi John, I have 9900KS 5Ghz all core, playing on 5120x14400 will you think I will see a difference in performance If I upgrade to 12900KS using g.skill trident royal elite DDR4 4000mhz cl16 16GB X4?
A high quality binned 12900K can beat the KS part. I know that's luck of the draw, but it's still true. In an all core workload, Hardware Unboxed, using 6400 DDR5 memory saw a 60W jump in total power consumption going from the 12900K to the KS. Considering the K can use around 245W SUSTAINED over a long run workload, that put his KS up near 300W. The 5950X uses around 125W in an all-core workload. I say this because I'm not the person that's going to spend a few hundred dollars for 2% gain in fps, at most, and the ONLY reason I'd buy a high core count CPU is if I actually need all those cores and for gaming you just don't. So then it's about what happens when running all-core loads pushing 100% CPU util. For the 5950X it's running around 125W sustained, the 12900K running 245W sustained, and it appears like the 12900KS can run near 300W sustained. So, 125W vs. 300W for the CPU in a room I'd want to be in. That's a big no. I couldn't even see the 12900K at 245W. Just, no. I don't care THAT much about benchmarks. I do care about an electric bill. So realistically for gaming this gets me to the 5800X3D vs. the 12700K and considering the 5800X is already close to the 12700K and would actually beat it if it ran the same clock speed, I think it's pretty apparent what's going to happen there, and even with the added L3 cache the 5800X is going to use less power in gaming. It's not a lot, but I have 3 PCs in that room and 20W more makes a difference since the GPU is already sucking up power. And for people who might jump in and say 6 cores is all you need for gaming? You haven't seen UE5 yet. In fact I just watched a benchmark on Matrix Awakens and it was pushing 32% at times on a 5950X. So, double that for an 8 core part and you're at about 64%. For a 6 core part, and you're at about 85% CPU utilization. That's getting too close to maxing out a 6c/12t CPU. I'm like many other reviewers. I don't know why this part exists other than a shameless money grab that people threw at AMD for Zen 3. But it's not just for Intel in this case; it's also for your power company.
AMD was going to release the 5800X3D regardless of the performance of Alder Lake, dude. AMD announced the part early 2021, quite a while before any REAL rumors of true performance of Alder Lake was out. They didn't announce the 5800X3D in specific, but they announced 3D Vcache would come to desktop for Zen 3 and it would give about 15% avg. uplift in gaming. I don't think they would have announced this early 2021 and then not release at least one part. I think it was also more than just having the best gaming CPU. I think AMD wanted to show off the technology, because it's going to matter for future products. How much it matters depends, and it doesn't have to be limited to cache. It probably won't apply to cores because cores on top or cores would be BAD, but it could be an iGPU over L3 cache or something else. I'm thinking with 3D chips AMD could push out some pretty serious laptop parts that use less power but score very high on the benchmarks. In the case of laptop AMD COULD do cache on top of cache leaving more die space for the cores or iGPU. But this is wild speculation so don't attack this.
I think you could've gauged the overall performance shifts by testing this CPU with a range of different graphics cards: not only the GeForce RTX 3090 Ti, but also the 3090, 3080 Ti, 3080, 3070 Ti, 3070, 3060 Ti and 3060 and the Radeon RX 6700, 6800, 6800 XT and 6900 XT. But if you suddenly decided to give the Corsair One i300 3080 Ti model a CPU upgrade with this CPU and a PSU upgrade with a Cooler Master V850 or V1100 SFX PSU, would it unlock more potential out of that computer or would it be a true waste?
I am not sure a Corsair One could really cool this chip TBH, maybe with some under volting. No a 3080Ti wouldn’t be a bad pairing though as long as it’s 1440p or lower for gaming. You will get additional gaming performance.
Thanks Robey. Loved the review. Surprised by the Shadow of the Tomb Raider results where the KS has a massive advantage. I am building roughly the same computer you did with 5000T albeit with different storage options. I think I am going to stick with the K over the KS. I will be playing 4K games mainly and I am not a competitive gamer. Enjoy your work and look forward to the next Live Stream.
now can you show these benches again with 12900k overclocked vs 12900ks overclocked with both ddr4 and ddr5 so we can see just how small the difference really is.
Odds are it could be the same, slightly worse or way worse. The K is still playing the silicon lottery while the KS are binned CPUs that are guaranteed to be at the top end of the K skus.
I have the i9 12900k in a system with the RTX3080ti - my 7 year old is roughing it with the i9 12900kf and a mere RTX3080 lol - bad dad, I should have gone ks and rtx3090ti 😁
Will be interesting to see the price of the 12900KS once AMD releases their new CPU especially if the pricing is competitive. Always best to wait on new releases for the dust to settle. Apparently, Intel did not release the CPU to reviewers ahead of time. They only get it on April 5th release day. Personally, I have never been the latest and greatest person and am more of a reasonable justify the expense kind of person.
"I deserve to win. Can you send me that free 3090 Ti or something similarly lame?" - definitely not me. In all seriousness, what benchmark is comparative with gaming+streaming+recording? I've only ever see gaming or production benchmarks. Are production benchmarks similar to the workload for streaming, gaming, and recording all on one PC? Or are the variety of games too different which makes the scenarios non-comparable?
The best "gaming cpu" man... It's like calling Bugatti is the best family car. Even steam hardware survey, it shows that 95% of gamers using CPU way less cpu power than i9 (more of i3-i5). Intel get away with this chips are they throw thermals out of the window. Also, if you consider this type of system, you need to consider getting 3080 ti or more and that adds salt to the injury (around 2% of total player on steam). imagine loading to a game lobby and stuck on "WAITING FOR OTHER PLAYERS". Totally waste of money for games, it may have advantage on other PC things (rendering, 3d modelling) but calling this a gaming cpu, damn.
It is literally being marketed as a best gaming cpu. Again this isn’t for the 95% it’s for the top 2% that is the best of the best. Again value is in the eye of the beholder and I made that pretty clear that this is for that specific audience.
You talk to fast. I can't keep up. I built a 3600 computer. It was skimpy. First build in probably 10 years, and have it to a needy family for their kid. I started to build another but have been waiting months to buy the processor. Thinking about the new 3700x.
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Love these videos! Very informative and funny with the right amount of dare I say sarcasm. My sides hurt from laughing but my brain thanks you for the knowledge. *Build a system with enough RGB that you can see it from the moon.* LOL I also like how you use Subliminal messages in the form of words to flex on us viewers at times. hahaha That inferno 12900KS will be a pass for me, don't want to overwork my central air and I have to admit I do feed my cat fancy feast, don't hate.hahaha That 5800X3D sounds ok, but the price is to high. To me the 12600K is looking to be the better one. Again love the video, kudos to you and the team!
Yeah the 12600k is GREAT! Glad you liked our review, we want entertainment and informative 😁
@@robeytech You excel in this!
At 69 years old, this never gets old for me. I'm currently building another system with this CPU. I'm currently using a system with a i9-9900K, which I built in 2020 on a ASUS Prime Z-390 motherboard with 32 GB of XPG DDR4 3200MHz RAM. I've researched enough and with the deals from Amazon, I couldn't pass on this chip. As for your presentation, I've watched your other videos and I have to say I'm entertained. Your no BS, straight talk is refreshing in this day and age. I love the little inside jokes too. Keep it up! (I do need some DDR5 RAM, ha ha. 2 sticks would be enough to get me going.)
I think this is the first time I've come to your channel. You've earned a like and subscribe my friend. Informative, entertaining, and reasonable. Well done!
Thank you!!
Extreme overclockers will definitely buy it, because it's binned chip with good potentials. If someone is going to build a 12900K system, maybe spending an additional $150 is not that big of a deal, but it won't attract a non-i9 buyer to turn to the i9 series because it's "the fastest gaming CPU".
Totally agree.
Hi roby, I have 9900KS 5Ghz all core, playing on 5120x14400 will you think I will see a difference in performance If I upgrade to 12900KS using g.skill trident royal elite DDR4 4000mhz cl16 16GB X4?
Love the commentary, great review, I'm happy with my up coming build.
Yay!
Great Videos, not offensive, constructive and very understanding! I’ve just purchased the i9 12900ks to pair with a DDR5 Maximus Hero Z690 MB and 3090ti! I just wanted the best and this is mainly due to your reviews!
That’s awesome!!
Hi John, I have 9900KS 5Ghz all core, playing on 5120x14400 will you think I will see a difference in performance If I upgrade to 12900KS using g.skill trident royal elite DDR4 4000mhz cl16 16GB X4?
That's really interesting, great video man
How is it interesting? Thanks for the comment!
Scaling with ddr4 and ddr5, just snagged a 5950 last week. What throws me is when it goes to gpu processing why would it drop on the 1440p with the higher ddr with the gpu?
I guess nevermind just waking up and processing the info lmao. Getting my coffee in.
I don't really understand why in almost all KS CPU reviews, there is no emphasis on undervolting, that is a huge advantage on a binned CPU, you can basically retain 12900K performance at closer to 12700K power draw and thermals, also there are a lot of discounts for such high margin parts, so you can getr them for a very small premium over then non S CPU.
I was thinking of getting the EKWB EK-AIO 360 D-RGB 360mm. Not sure if it'd be good enough to cool down the 12900KS tho 🤔
I'd love to get this 12900ks CPU
Please which motherboard will be recommended for it, can I go with the ASUS ROG STRIX Z-690-F GAMiNG WiFi or ...
Which will you recommend?
Having had a 12900k and just having bought a 12900ks i will say the difference is clear between the two and the Asus board SP numbers are totally different.
My old 12900k was an 82SP, the new 12900ks was initially a 96SP and then suddenly went down to a 92SP after a bios update to 1403 on my old z690 Hero board, (what a crock of shit those hero boards are btw - dont touch them).
I then bought a z690 maximus extreme motherboard and plugged in the 12900ks and it went to 200SP! , after a bios update to 1403 it went back to 92..... 100 on the P cores and 77 on the E cores.
So what does this SP number mean ? I can tell you, nothing really.
The 12900KS runs at a solid 5.2ghz constantly on all 8 of its P cores, it stays mostly at 5.4/5ghz and actually peaks regularly at 5.7ghz! - its a beast and clearly ive got a decent example, because it never gets hotter than 75Deg C - not ever and thats on just an AIO for cooling it.
I have a Z63 280mm AIO from NZXT and i thought initially id have to perhaps consider a 320 or even a 420 AIO or custom loop for cooling the KS after watching some youtube reviews, but the Z63 copes easily in honesty.
What i will mention is about the memory on this platform, i run 2 x16GB sticks of G-Skill Trident Z5 @ DDR5 6000mhz but only at 5800mhz
I do this because at 6000mhz it just isnt stable and that was on both boards and on both the 12900k and the 12900ks cpu's, i cannot recommend G-skill Z5 6000mhz memory sadly, it doesnt do what it says on the tin and for me is a fall from grace as i bought it thinking it would do what it was advertied at - it doesnt and i wont get caught twice buying it.
I think i will look to get some 6400mhz Corsair dominator and see if that fares better in honesty.
Memory XMP profiles and running four sticks especially does seem to be an issue on this z690 platform, running four sticks seems impossible so be warned guys dont buy four stick unless you want two of them sat in a drawer or you want to run tham at the base 4800mhz.... I hope a bios update sorts this out, i wont hold my breath waiting
But i can tell you i dont regret buying the KS for a single second and for me it is worth every penny of the 150 usd extra - it is lovely knowing you have the best binned cpu and seeing it peak at 5.7Ghz on simply an AIO
Hi John, I have 9900KS 5Ghz all core, playing on 5120x14400 will you think I will see a difference in performance If I upgrade to 12900KS using g.skill trident royal elite DDR4 4000mhz cl16 16GB X4?
A high quality binned 12900K can beat the KS part. I know that's luck of the draw, but it's still true. In an all core workload, Hardware Unboxed, using 6400 DDR5 memory saw a 60W jump in total power consumption going from the 12900K to the KS. Considering the K can use around 245W SUSTAINED over a long run workload, that put his KS up near 300W.
The 5950X uses around 125W in an all-core workload. I say this because I'm not the person that's going to spend a few hundred dollars for 2% gain in fps, at most, and the ONLY reason I'd buy a high core count CPU is if I actually need all those cores and for gaming you just don't. So then it's about what happens when running all-core loads pushing 100% CPU util. For the 5950X it's running around 125W sustained, the 12900K running 245W sustained, and it appears like the 12900KS can run near 300W sustained. So, 125W vs. 300W for the CPU in a room I'd want to be in. That's a big no. I couldn't even see the 12900K at 245W. Just, no. I don't care THAT much about benchmarks. I do care about an electric bill.
So realistically for gaming this gets me to the 5800X3D vs. the 12700K and considering the 5800X is already close to the 12700K and would actually beat it if it ran the same clock speed, I think it's pretty apparent what's going to happen there, and even with the added L3 cache the 5800X is going to use less power in gaming. It's not a lot, but I have 3 PCs in that room and 20W more makes a difference since the GPU is already sucking up power.
And for people who might jump in and say 6 cores is all you need for gaming? You haven't seen UE5 yet. In fact I just watched a benchmark on Matrix Awakens and it was pushing 32% at times on a 5950X. So, double that for an 8 core part and you're at about 64%. For a 6 core part, and you're at about 85% CPU utilization. That's getting too close to maxing out a 6c/12t CPU.
I'm like many other reviewers. I don't know why this part exists other than a shameless money grab that people threw at AMD for Zen 3. But it's not just for Intel in this case; it's also for your power company.
AMD was going to release the 5800X3D regardless of the performance of Alder Lake, dude.
AMD announced the part early 2021, quite a while before any REAL rumors of true performance of Alder Lake was out. They didn't announce the 5800X3D in specific, but they announced 3D Vcache would come to desktop for Zen 3 and it would give about 15% avg. uplift in gaming. I don't think they would have announced this early 2021 and then not release at least one part.
I think it was also more than just having the best gaming CPU. I think AMD wanted to show off the technology, because it's going to matter for future products. How much it matters depends, and it doesn't have to be limited to cache. It probably won't apply to cores because cores on top or cores would be BAD, but it could be an iGPU over L3 cache or something else. I'm thinking with 3D chips AMD could push out some pretty serious laptop parts that use less power but score very high on the benchmarks. In the case of laptop AMD COULD do cache on top of cache leaving more die space for the cores or iGPU. But this is wild speculation so don't attack this.
I think you could've gauged the overall performance shifts by testing this CPU with a range of different graphics cards: not only the GeForce RTX 3090 Ti, but also the 3090, 3080 Ti, 3080, 3070 Ti, 3070, 3060 Ti and 3060 and the Radeon RX 6700, 6800, 6800 XT and 6900 XT. But if you suddenly decided to give the Corsair One i300 3080 Ti model a CPU upgrade with this CPU and a PSU upgrade with a Cooler Master V850 or V1100 SFX PSU, would it unlock more potential out of that computer or would it be a true waste?
I am not sure a Corsair One could really cool this chip TBH, maybe with some under volting. No a 3080Ti wouldn’t be a bad pairing though as long as it’s 1440p or lower for gaming. You will get additional gaming performance.
Thanks Robey. Loved the review. Surprised by the Shadow of the Tomb Raider results where the KS has a massive advantage. I am building roughly the same computer you did with 5000T albeit with different storage options. I think I am going to stick with the K over the KS. I will be playing 4K games mainly and I am not a competitive gamer. Enjoy your work and look forward to the next Live Stream.
That makes a ton of sense. It’s not for everyone 😀
now can you show these benches again with 12900k overclocked vs 12900ks overclocked with both ddr4 and ddr5 so we can see just how small the difference really is.
Odds are it could be the same, slightly worse or way worse. The K is still playing the silicon lottery while the KS are binned CPUs that are guaranteed to be at the top end of the K skus.
I have the i9 12900k in a system with the RTX3080ti - my 7 year old is roughing it with the i9 12900kf and a mere RTX3080 lol - bad dad, I should have gone ks and rtx3090ti 😁
thank you
I got a good 12900k then cause was running everyday oc of 5.3ghz P cores 4.1 E cores @1.25v it will also do 5.5 on 2 cores and 5.2 on rest
Will be interesting to see the price of the 12900KS once AMD releases their new CPU especially if the pricing is competitive. Always best to wait on new releases for the dust to settle. Apparently, Intel did not release the CPU to reviewers ahead of time. They only get it on April 5th release day. Personally, I have never been the latest and greatest person and am more of a reasonable justify the expense kind of person.
They only have a limited number of these chips, they really are special edition. So not sure the price will go down, it will just sell out
@@robeytech Being in Canada we pay through the nose for stuff here more than exchange rate differences.
"I deserve to win. Can you send me that free 3090 Ti or something similarly lame?" - definitely not me.
In all seriousness, what benchmark is comparative with gaming+streaming+recording? I've only ever see gaming or production benchmarks. Are production benchmarks similar to the workload for streaming, gaming, and recording all on one PC? Or are the variety of games too different which makes the scenarios non-comparable?
The best "gaming cpu" man... It's like calling Bugatti is the best family car. Even steam hardware survey, it shows that 95% of gamers using CPU way less cpu power than i9 (more of i3-i5). Intel get away with this chips are they throw thermals out of the window. Also, if you consider this type of system, you need to consider getting 3080 ti or more and that adds salt to the injury (around 2% of total player on steam). imagine loading to a game lobby and stuck on "WAITING FOR OTHER PLAYERS". Totally waste of money for games, it may have advantage on other PC things (rendering, 3d modelling) but calling this a gaming cpu, damn.
It is literally being marketed as a best gaming cpu. Again this isn’t for the 95% it’s for the top 2% that is the best of the best. Again value is in the eye of the beholder and I made that pretty clear that this is for that specific audience.
You talk to fast. I can't keep up. I built a 3600 computer. It was skimpy. First build in probably 10 years, and have it to a needy family for their kid. I started to build another but have been waiting months to buy the processor. Thinking about the new 3700x.
That’s good feedback, will work on slowing down. Was I really that fast of a talker?
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