Are Mario Party's Dice RIGGED? - Did You Know Gaming? Ft. Remix
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- We dive into Mario Party to see how the series' dice really work. Is skill involved, are they random, or could they even be rigged? Tune in to find out.
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I really like it. Would have been cool if you could've gotten some actual TASers to help you out, but it is still super cool.
I liked it.
cool to see the ZoomZike shoutout! Next time you're doing a Mario Party vid, have him on to do the voiceover!
This video is written like an actual research paper and I love it
@RehXlim SusXej ZedXnem AicXrag well, I for one think that's a pretty accurate summation of how people use the term - basically any time something doesn't go their way, like an election, or a gaming awards show, people decry it as "rigged"
We all have that one friend that spends ages looking at the map, just to roll a one.
I'm that friend lol
It's also me! XD
The absolute worst
My brother
The die is skewed towards higher rolls for Donkey Kong because Toad knows that if Donkey Kong loses he will rip their fucking head off.
It's difficult to argue with the logic behind the "Let The Wookiee Win" algorithm.
I dont wanna piss off donkey kong you've seen what he is capable of
"Let the wookie win." - C3P0
That makes a lot of sense
And then Mario will eat it to grow a few inches😝
I knew it was bs the first time I played on an emulator and tried to *re-do my roll.*
@Pinchars ABitch LMAOOO 😭😭 True. I couldn't let Donkey Kong b*tch ass just walk all over me though bro
Yooo its Primm's hood cinema. I love the videos brotha
Doesn't that make it NOT rigged? You tried to rig it, and it held you to the original random number.
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@@Enaronia
Rigging is done by the house. The player can cheat, but they can't rig.
Missed out on “ the sound theory is indeed not a sound theory “
But hey, that's just a theory. A game theory. Thanks for watching.
They didn't mention if they tried shouting numbers in japanese. Would be interesting if it was a non-translated feature.
Also at 1:05 missed out on "its worth understanding how the dice actually rolls"
Couldn’t even hear it!
Been watching DYKG for years, but I must say, I really enjoyed this new formatting! Can't wait to see what follows next. :)
Me too!
Love your content, Dazz
Hi dazz
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small addition: RNG is usually based on the internal clock of a machine. Executing the same code at a different time can yield different results.
many games also use the inputs of the player to influence RNG seed values instead of using set seeds
@@lordomacron3719 This is generally only done when a machine does not have an internal clock though. I don't remember the actual content of the video but because it's Mario I'd assume it's about Nintendo machines without internal clock. So you're probably right.
@@NaamloosDev well I just pointing that dev use multiple methods to generate Random numbers
@@lordomacron3719 Yes! and you're entirely correct.
So your saying there’s a chance?
"The term rigged is in the eye of the beholder" is something someone rigging dice would say...
maybe the true skill were the friends we lost along the way
We're playing Mario Party so we're losing friends along the way.
Or the controllers . . .
@@hdezn26 or hands if your playing Mario party 2
@@Unkill That's true.
This makes Mario Party 1 even more evil now.
3:49, ah yes the mini-game that ripped apart the skin of my palm
I can still remember when I was visiting some friends they gave me always the controller with the broken stick so lost many times, but whenI found the palm teqnic that was first time I won a full game against them in Mario Party 1. If it was worth it by winning my first full game in Mario party by then I would say yes but right now I would say not really worth it to sacrifice your hand for a game.
You fool, that game was nothing compared to the tug of war minigame from Mario Party 1 which required you to spin the control stick like a madman.
@@AzureRoxe I said both could made you rotate the stick like a mad man but you lost more in paddle battle. What I mean is inThug o War with a broken stick or if you do nothing you will lose 15 coins if you are solo vs 3 but in Paddle Battle you lost more coins at the end. But in the end the results is that with a good control stick Thug o War is probably worse becuse in paddle Baddle with a good control stick you decrease the coins you lose but it is reversed if the control stick is broken or bad already.
Mario Party: The game where you're in 4th place and you roll a 1 almost every turn for the entire game while all your friends are rolling 10s.
Mario: “Wait, it’s all rigged.”
Toad, with a gun: “Always has been.”
Underrated comment
Toad: The truth is.... The games been rigged from the start
Mario Party: Existential Dread Edition
"You have no control over your own destiny!"
Except for forks in the road, mini games, items, boo, chance time and bowser.
You still have choices to make and some minigames require skill.
If you could control where you went exactly and others didn't know how to time it, it'd be unfair to them
6:14 "The slower speed makes you think you have more control over getting the result you want." as Toad clearly hits a 10 and gets a 1 XD
Actually he hits the 1 which came after the 10, you just need to slow down the footage enough
As someone who's spent WAY too much time analyzing the rolls for TheRunawayGuys in various Mario parties, this lands itself as sufficient evidence for "the computer just hates you"
Sorry, pallie... This party was rigged from the start!
I keep rolling 1s. Guess it looks like I've got a 24 star run of bad luck.
Patrolling the Mushroom Kingdom almost makes you wish for a Koopa-ular winter.
*Rolls a 20*
I WON THE LOTTERY! SMELL THAT AIR! COULD YOU JUST DRINK IT LIKE BOOZE?!
*Collects a Star*
Malcolm Holmes: Hey, you should be careful. People have died over collecting Stars.
Play it again, Luigi Guitar...
Sloan Foreman: Woah there, DeathKoopas up ahead. You'd have to be the meanest badassest wastelander to get passed them.
Mario: Letsa go!
Big Sheeeeeeeell, big sheeeeeeeell. When he tried to match the Koopa with the big shell on his hip. Big shell on his hiiiiiip...
@@Scarleaver Like a Goomba once said, ain't that a stomp on the head.
I ain't your pallie, friendo!
Of course it is. Computer can not create randomness as we see it. It’s all predetermined same with shuffle on music players. Anything classed as random on a computer is never truly random as we believe the word means
A Turtle always knew Mario party was rigged.
Turtle approved?
What else does thou know?
Thanks for answering a question I've had for over a decade. At least I now know to blame the game next time I get a garbage roll.
This is an interesting topic. I wouldn’t necessarily calle the dice “rigged” unless the game was doing some kind of decision making to help one player over another (say making sure that cpus of higher difficulties always get higher numbers, for example). Not even in the case where the game selects a number one time and it will always give you that result no matter how long you wait to hit the dice so long as it went through the same process for all the players.
Agreed. But I still prefer it be based on WHEN you hit the dice even if it's just RNG. Mechanically keeping the illusion is something I can appreciate coming off this video even if it realistically doesn't matter. Still would bother me if it was pre-determined like MP1 and MPDS
Been playing lots of the GameCube Mario Parties and coincidentally this video comes out around the same time, sometimes I feel like the dice are rigged but the fun and random factor are what make it Mario Party, Team ZoomZike! Let’s go!
I don't know how many writers worked on this episode, but some of them need to learn that it's *one die, many dice*. You can't have "a dice", you have "a die".
Feels as if "die" was European and "dice" American
Love this video. Reaching out to speedrunners is great, I always like when people who are experts at their game get a chance to flex their knowledge.
I like this style of mythbusting, please give us more
We did a lot of script revisions for this, I hope you all enjoy it!
It's great! Only wish it would've gone into whether or not the CPU's rolls are rigged, particularly based on their difficulty settings.
That was pretty enjoyable, I'd love to see more like this.
So you're saying my friendships were destined to fail...
Nintendo didn’t authorize those friendships your luck they let you live
MARIO PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I want you to see how narrow this hole is and how have to kind of fit"- ZoomZike
Oh no
@@theguyman256 It's him
Correct
Identifying Luck MP5 comes out on Christmas Day
These types of questions can always be answered by the Speedrun community.
Finally, a Dream reference
2:30. Yeah I tested that with an emulator a few years ago and it pissed me off when I learnt that!
i really like how you guys showed consulting with the experts and speedrunners in this video. Good stuff.
I can't imagine the amount of research. Incredible job!
"Yes" is my initial response to the question in the title, without having watched the video.
Mario Party Dice rolls are like a metaphor for Life. It’s predetermined.
The fact the title is something Game Theory would do scares me, but MatPat is being consumed by FNAF rn, so I doubt we would have a regular video from him
10:20 Peach and Bowser casually talking lol
This video was sick. Y’all have really been knocking it outside of the park lately!
If someone found a way to manipulate RNG during multiplayer minigames, that would be absolutely groundbreaking.
did you know gaming
TRUUUUUUUEEE
Yes I did know
Did you know gay man
gaming????
Yes thank you, very cool
Poofessure would love to see this video since he mentioned that the game had an exclusive hatred of burgers
Imagine if this were a video Ft. ZoomZike
One day
@@zoomzike Oh shit it’s the man, the myth, the legend
I vote yes
by the way guys, IL MP5 IS COMING IN 4 MORE DAYS
@@zoomzike You sly dog, you ARE in that video!
I remember there was a rumour for the early Mario Party games, particularly 3... that the dice animating up and down as it spins corresponded with the number. If the dice were towards the top point of the animation as you hit it, you'd get a high number and vice versa.
Confirmation bias
This one needed Dan Ryckert to explain how Mario Party is a game of skill.
The only skill you need to win is putting up with playing a 50 turn game of random BS in one sitting.
What we should be talking about is Wario's Secret Star buff in MP2.
Now I'm curious...go on.
@@bluetoon1499 My friends and I are of the opinion, until proven factual, that certain characters in MP 2 have "advantages". Wario for sure has a Secret Star discovery buff. Every game we played the friend who played Wario would find the board's Secret Star multiple times. Every time. Without fail. We banned Wario.
in conclusion dont bother yourself trying to get a certain number just hit the block the moment your turn start
So much work and research for such a simple question. It was a very important question for me though so thanks!
A friend of mine insisted that the dice RNG was rigged to favour certain characters a long before Super Mario Party. He insisted that for example Mario Party 7 favours Toad above every other character
My dad would always close his eyes or look away from the screen as he swung the Wiimote every time he used a Twice or Thrice Candy in Mario Party 8. He always seemed to roll higher numbers that way.
Although the method was entirely unbased superstition and clearly had no influence over the numbers, the result were actually convincing enough oddly.
Oh the memories...
Did you know about the new trend about the Mario Party DS anti piracy thing?
It's likely fan made. Still pretty cool though
@@krubbington it is fanmade bruh
ahh a Fan Of My Game
Came here through Dr.Lava and saw my boy Zoomzike mentioned, nice.
Awesome video guys! :D
You should have featured ZoomZike for this video- that man is a Mario Party genius!
man's a legend
Dude is Pog Champ
Or proton Jon, for ironic reasons
@@rigistroni I like your Dimitri pfp B)
It's cool to see other zoomzike fans
I very much enjoyed this video. I’d love to see more of this kind of video in the future, since it technically still falls under the idea of “did you know gaming” so it makes sense
Now THAT’s some good script editing!
The absolute legend himself
I’ve been watching DYKG for almost 10 years now. It was one of the first RUclips subscriptions I had in high school. I live this channel and everything you guys do. Please never stop with the awesome information!
When I don't get a star, yes it is! Bullshit!
This was a great video. I would love for you to colab with ZoomZike some more in the future!
DYKG: "Are the dice in Mario Party rigged?"
Luigi:
This is great and definitely supports how many players feel when playing these games. I want to see the footage of the testing. Frame perfect button presses with different results, etc.
Toy Freddy: This whole Party Series Is totally rigged!!!
If you ever get a chance, it would be cool to see the same analysis done to Pokémon catching throughout the series. There have been a load of times on emulation, throughout multiple games, where I have made catch attempts and reset the save state for it to do the exact same number of "wiggles" even when changing the ball type. Makes it seem like it chooses the outcome before the ball is even thrown.
You did ALL that playing and testing, when you could've just easily used a save state? That would answer the question in about 5 mins.
Wow that is true. 😆
No, because there might be multiple factors that effect the outcome. They not only confirmed this, but pinpointed exactly when it happens. Experiments need to account for variables, and designed in a way so that those variables can be identified.
I feel like putting the actual footage of the testing you guys did will be better than random mario party footage playing.
This would've been better as an audio clip than a vid
ZoomZike representation! Let's go!!
IL MP5 coming out on Christmas Day!
Nice
Actually Mario Party 6 does allow you to control the dice as stated, however only on 1 roll per playthrough
Joke of the day:
What is the soft stuff between sharks teeth?
*slow swimmers*
Mario Party Advance Tour is such a huge part of my childhood that I never remembered.
Why is this even a video. We all know it's yes
I never knew there was this much to the Mario Party dice.
I see, there's no skill huh?
Just RNG, That's sad...
Mario party 2 (and maybe 3) has an actual pattern but it's fast for anyone to do, TAS videos actually are able to get specific rolls (look up 999 coins in 7/8 turns [I don't remember which, either way it's TAS])
Mario Party should never be rigged, as the RNG in those games are already soul crushing.
Fiends Without Benefits would have been a great contact for this video as well!
“Are the numbers truly random? Yes but actually no”
I feel like this is exactly like a video zoom zike already did
*loads gun*
“The truth is, the game was rigged from the start!”
Great video, possibly your best so far.
"Piracy is no Party"
This was actually a pretty neat type of video.
You should definitely do more of these...
But please, do more than JUST Nintendo videos. Maybe take a proper look into the stats of CTR:NF for instance.
So the game awards were playing Mario Party, those bastards.
Thanks GOODNESS I watched this video. I was sold on the idea of the 'hit the dice when you hear the high pitch' thing in SMP Switch, but could never get it to work...
I swear to god the Mic trick works in Mario Party 6 Solo mode. I've tried it tons of times and its worked. It should be noted that this is only in Solo Mode not in the regular party mode. Gonna go try it out again because now you guys have me doubting myself.
Great video! Would love to see more like it in the future. It reminds me of some of the speed run videos that are broken down by Karl Jobst, SummoningSalt, and EZscape. Fascinating to watch to say the least.
Honestly I did expect the answer to be yes but I mainly watched expecting ZoomZike to appear at one point in the vid, and I was not disappointed. :)
Still, sucks that there's no real strategy to control dice rolls. Stuff like making the dice bigger in Mario Party 9 and throwing the dice to the top screen I Island Tour is fun regardless tho. :P
I have found that in the original mario party (for the switch version at least) the dice roll seems to be decided for the next turn, just after the last player has taken their turn and before lakitu appears for the mini game screen. So you could set a save state before the last player ends their turn, so that when you load said save state, the dice roll would be different.
Speaking as a scientist, I wouldn't describe pseudo-random numbers as "rigged". There are actually a lot of reasons that pseudo-random numbers are preferable, especially when it comes to error-checking and ensuring that the rolls are fair (or as fair as intended). Truly random fair numbers are difficult to generate and work with - in theory you can seed them off the game clock, but then you're really trading one source of pre-determined pseudo-randomness for another. The only thing you'd really gain from a more dynamic rng is the ability to save-scum with an emulator.
I don't give a shit about Mario Party but this was super interesting. I definitely think in-depth dives on a certain topic should be a mainstay on this channel, along with the classic rapid-fire trivia.
At last, an actual documented video that will serve me as an excuse whenever i lose and need to pour some salt.
It would be cool to see how stuff like this actually works like how the "Retro Game Mechanics Explained" youtuber shows and explains stuff
This was great. I'd love to see more research videos into game mechanic questions like this!
I really like the format of researching a particular topic of a game, its a nice change of pace from constantly finding new game facts to make a lengthy videos out of. Hope we can see more, or even let fans suggest particular game topics to explore
Did some test on the Switch N64 port.
For Mario Party 2, saving before you hit the die will give you random numbers (only for the players, cpu is different).
For Mario Party 3, it's pre determine even before the next turn.
This was interesting. But it felt like a magician showing the audience how the trick is done and taking away the magic and wonder.
"Mario Party 6 is pretty unique, or at least it pretends to be" is such a good (unintentional?) burn lmao
This is quite upsetting. Good work, cracked this case wide open.
2:48
Is uh... Is that the Sunshine file select screen? It basically is. The flowers and the watermelons are gone in Sunshine. And the tree is going the other way, but that's the Sunshine file select screen.
Interesting video and great research guys
I like the empirical approach! It would also be cool to see some analysis of the source code by programmers (in cases where it's possible) to get further insights.
From my play time on mario party I have noticed there are patterns in the RNG numbers displayed, and sometimes it literally is the tap of the block, sometimes its a listed number, sometimes its a generated number. However without ripping apart the game engine like you said we'll never know the mechanics.
To anyone looking for more in depth analysis on the topic I HIGHLY recommend checking out ZoomZike’s series “chance time” he touches on a lot of cool bits about the Mario party series in incredibly high quality videos and does discuss the timing for dice where possible
More of this!