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Mga Babasahin sa Kasaysayan ng Pilipinas: Bakit Ako Naniniwala na sa Butuan nangyari ang Unang Misa

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  • Опубликовано: 11 май 2021
  • This is part 1 of my two-part video on Masao-Limasawa controversy. The contention here is that Pigafetta's latitude of Mazua (9 degrees and 2/3) was mistranslated. The contention is not originally mine, but I firmly believed in it. I just can't remember who originally advanced it, but I believed that the Limasawa quin centennial was a million-peso mistake.

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  • @leviticus7922
    @leviticus7922 Год назад +12

    I want to express my gratitude to you Sir, this is indeed very helpful and an eye opener for me, in addition that we will be tackling about the said controversy on our next Phil. History class.
    Thank you Sir, and nawa ay gabayan kayo lagi ni Lord in sharing the truth to our fellow Filipinos. Thank you po ulit!!💝💝
    35:00- Controversy in Latitude used
    39:57- Reiteration of Limasawa claim
    43:40- Pigafetta's 9°2/3
    45:55- Mistranslation of Blaire & Robertson on Pigafetta's description
    50:00- Conclusion about the Mistranslation of Claire & Robertson
    50:45- Where is Mazaua
    51:00- Mazaua drawing of Pigafetta
    51:54- The Pigafetta map looks like North-Eastern Mindanao
    52:00- The Butuan tradition & the Importance of learning tradition in historical (sources) analization
    I'll leave these as my guide hehe

  • @sweetsour9137
    @sweetsour9137 2 года назад +4

    Thanks for the video very conclusive and informative,hoping for more video in regards of argumentative history

  • @arajanemandar6908
    @arajanemandar6908 2 года назад +3

    Hi Po good evening, thank you so much for this! such a big help for my upcoming virtual classroom debate, keep safe po ❤️❤️

  • @alyzagwynethkipte2049
    @alyzagwynethkipte2049 Год назад +3

    Good evening, Sir. I am Alyza Kipte from CTHM 1H1, sorry for commenting this late about your discussion. I am really amazed at how you make an important topic/discussion more lively and understandable for us students. I was really curious about where the First Mass was actually held. In the group activity that you made us do, the criteria that you gave were almost present in both of the said locations. But with conducting proper research and with the guidance of your discussions, I firmly believe that the First Mass happened in Butuan. To put my thoughts in a nutshell, with the right primary, and even secondary sources, pinpointing the real location of the said event was undeniably logical because there were pieces of information that needs to be distinguished correctly due to its presence in different locations. And, I think that in the next generations, this topic can possibly have another discussion and another stand.

  • @angelinecharenedelacruz8158
    @angelinecharenedelacruz8158 Год назад +1

    Dela Cruz, Angeline Charene
    BSED 1B
    Thank you so much, atty! for this wonderful discussion. Sobrang linaw po ng pagkakajustify ninyo. Thanks again, atty! Godbless!

  • @kenzzvlog2819
    @kenzzvlog2819 2 года назад +3

    Good day sir,
    Malaking tulong sa aming Student
    Thank you Po and God Bless us Po!.

    • @kenzzvlog2819
      @kenzzvlog2819 2 года назад +1

      Na advance Po Ako Lalo ngayon topic Namin Po sya ❤️

  • @bernadettedominiqueablang9142
    @bernadettedominiqueablang9142 Год назад +2

    Hello Sir! I'm Bernadette from CTHM 1H1. I really love your arguments and evidences that you showed in your discussion. Your arguments gave me a new perspective about the first mass in Butuan even after presenting our argument and presentation in your class. I agree to all of your points you presented here.

  • @ALICIAVIKTORIAAGUSTIN
    @ALICIAVIKTORIAAGUSTIN Год назад

    Good day, Atty.
    I am done watching the recorded lesson.
    Thank you very much for the another fruitful and well-explained discussion! God bless po!
    Agustin, Alicia Viktoria J.
    BSED - 1B

  • @alruiz680
    @alruiz680 9 месяцев назад +1

    Done Watching, Sir. Thank you po for the detailed information that enlightened and helps us a lot to properly navigate the place where the first mass was held in.
    RUIZ, ALTHIA
    from: BSTM-2E

  • @kyriaala7777
    @kyriaala7777 Год назад

    Ala, Kim Kyria
    BSED 1B
    Thank you po sir sa bagong lesson. Ang detelyado po ng explanations nyo, madami po ako ulit natutuhan. Salamat.

  • @gabrieltolentino1442
    @gabrieltolentino1442 Год назад +1

    Hello, sir, I am Gabriel Tolentino from 1H1. I really love how you critique and tackle the topic in the video and how you neatly explain the differences between the wrong translation. I totally agree with the arguments that you are trying to pin-point. It does make sense that the fraction has nothing to do with the minutes because Pigafetta wrote a minute in Spanish. It makes me desperately believe that the first mass really happened in Butuan due to its evidences.

  • @carlosmiguely.miciano8968
    @carlosmiguely.miciano8968 Год назад

    Thank you so much sir, for this very informative video❤️

  • @hammermaster6467
    @hammermaster6467 2 года назад +3

    hi po sir. where can i found the part 2 of your video po? thank you

  • @aprodhitebabe2123
    @aprodhitebabe2123 Год назад +1

    WOW THIS ENLIGHTENED ME SO MUCH

  • @student_htm_caballeroarnel5459
    @student_htm_caballeroarnel5459 Год назад +1

    Done watching.. A student from HMO1A. Very informative po sir.

  • @RACHELLETABERAO
    @RACHELLETABERAO Год назад

    Done watching, thank you for this insightful lesson, Atty.
    Taberao, Rachelle R. | BSED-1B

  • @adrieltayag3090
    @adrieltayag3090 2 года назад +2

    Done watching. Very informative.

    • @RobertJohnDonesa
      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

  • @HENRICYRILFLORES
    @HENRICYRILFLORES Год назад

    Done watching! Thank you for this lesson sir! your videos helps build more knowledge to our history.
    Flores, Henri Cyril I.
    BSED1A

  • @julieannauceran7469
    @julieannauceran7469 Год назад +2

    Done watching.. a student from BAHRM-2A a very informative po sir.

  • @francoisrudolfyango1518
    @francoisrudolfyango1518 2 года назад +1

    Salamat po

  • @nheriegracedilla8121
    @nheriegracedilla8121 10 месяцев назад

    Good day, Sir! Where can I see the second part of this video? That would be very helpful for us. Thank you po

  • @raverescribel
    @raverescribel Год назад

    Done watching po sir. Thank you again for another very meaningful lesson
    Raver Escribel from BSED 1-B.

  • @ma.fatimaabaigar8744
    @ma.fatimaabaigar8744 Год назад

    Done watching po! Thank you Sir♥︎

  • @elyssamaefigueroa7472
    @elyssamaefigueroa7472 Год назад +1

    Done Watching Attorney! Thank you so much for this video lesson!
    Figueroa, Elyssa Mae G.
    BSED - 1B

  • @JodyBN
    @JodyBN 3 года назад +3

    When will Part 2 be posted?

  • @arianmaetagupa2292
    @arianmaetagupa2292 Год назад

    Thank you super helpful po yung video for our academic paper. By the way sir nasaan po yung video for Butuan Arguments? Gusto ko din po mapanood.

  • @ejpatrickhipolito6700
    @ejpatrickhipolito6700 3 года назад +2

    A student from BSHM-2E done watching sir.

  • @jayfersoncruzofficial
    @jayfersoncruzofficial Год назад +1

    Done Watching Attorney!🧡
    Thankyou for this very knowledgeable video!
    We learned a lot !
    CRUZ, JAYFERSON G.
    BSED - 1B

  • @maryanbienvenida896
    @maryanbienvenida896 9 месяцев назад

    Sino po may mga lecture notes sa rph 🥺 na naka pdf 🥺

  • @ayangcandava8842
    @ayangcandava8842 2 года назад +1

    Sir when will part 2 be posted, butuan?

  • @trixiarojas7825
    @trixiarojas7825 2 года назад +2

    Done watching po! God bless po.

    • @RobertJohnDonesa
      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

  • @jisellebanzon
    @jisellebanzon Год назад

    Done watching. Thank you for this informative discussion, Attorney.
    Banzon, Jiselle S.
    BSED 1B

  • @carmelasevilla6674
    @carmelasevilla6674 Год назад

    Done Watching po, Atty. Thank you so much po for this fruitful discussion!
    Sevilla, Carmela Minette P.
    BSED-1B

  • @mikaelapineda9726
    @mikaelapineda9726 3 года назад +1

    A student from BSHM-2E done watching sir 😊

  • @norilysalvador6525
    @norilysalvador6525 Год назад +1

    Done watching po, sir. Thank you po!
    - Norily Salvador from BAMM 1-C

  • @josericardotrinidad4884
    @josericardotrinidad4884 Год назад

    Thank you for this informative video lesson, Attorney.
    Trinidad, Jose Ricardo, G. | BSED 1-B

  • @zydmarceeesguerra4607
    @zydmarceeesguerra4607 Год назад +1

    Hi Sir! I am Zyd Esguerra of 1H1, already done watching the video and it enlightened me more why should I stand with the answer of our group last meeting just by the criteria given. Now, looking at different approach and criteria, I totally agree with your argument why you came up with Butuan being the place where the first mass was held, not only that but given the primary sources laid to us it supports the idea more. There was a confusion regarding the direction stated by Pigafetta that holds the issue until now, but going more profound it was really mistranslated the reason why people assumed that it is in Limasawa but it's really far from it. To end my discernment, there are really lots of factors to be considered, criteria to look into. However, it doesn't stop there we have to scrutinize them to get the right information from the primary resources provided.

  • @rezaalvarido3712
    @rezaalvarido3712 Год назад

    Done watching po. Thank you sa very informative video about our history.
    Alvarido, Reza V.
    BSED 1A

  • @maxiemaeflameno5741
    @maxiemaeflameno5741 Год назад

    Thank you very much for your hard work and to this very informative video Sir. Godbless po
    FLAMEÑO MAXIE MAE C.
    BSED 1-B

  • @camilleangelique9950
    @camilleangelique9950 Год назад

    Sir, where can i watch the part two po?

  • @jessicalaxamana1545
    @jessicalaxamana1545 2 года назад +1

    Done watching, thank you atty.!!
    From BTECH ABH 1B -RPH

  • @sheenapalermo3873
    @sheenapalermo3873 Год назад

    I am student BSHM-1A done watching thanks you sir very informative Ang helpful Video 💚

  • @joansison6594
    @joansison6594 Год назад +1

    Done watching. Thank you po Attorney!
    Sison, Joan P.
    BSED 1B

  • @joshuaabrinica5647
    @joshuaabrinica5647 10 месяцев назад

    how to explane this part from mazava they sailed northwards again towards seilani. they followed the coast of seilani in a northwesterly direction, ascending up to 10 degrees of latitude where they saw three small islands. from there they sailed westwards someten leagues, and there they saw three islets,where they dropped anchor for the night. in the morning they sailed southwest some 12 leagues, down to a latitude of 10 and one-third degree. there they entered a channel betweentwo islands, one of which was called "matan" and the other "subu."

    • @RobertJohnDonesa
      @RobertJohnDonesa  10 месяцев назад

      You cannot sail upward towards Seilani (Leyte) if you are in Limasawa, because Limasawa is already at the side of Seilani.

  • @allysonleighreyes2071
    @allysonleighreyes2071 2 года назад +1

    Done watching po, sir.

    • @RobertJohnDonesa
      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

  • @cielodelacruz4781
    @cielodelacruz4781 Год назад +1

    Done watching Sir
    Thank you po
    DELA CRUZ, CIELO R.
    BSED 1A

  • @arjaysantos8823
    @arjaysantos8823 Год назад

    Done watching atty, thank you po
    Arjay S. Santos BSED-1B

  • @aidelrobynpilapil4631
    @aidelrobynpilapil4631 2 года назад +2

    Student from 2ITB-Read_PH Class,
    Done watching the video sir :)

    • @RobertJohnDonesa
      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

  • @angelineparaiso3142
    @angelineparaiso3142 Год назад

    Done watching po. Thank you po sir!
    Paraiso, Angeline | BSED 1B

  • @shanecabuello2446
    @shanecabuello2446 8 месяцев назад

    Good eve. po sir, asan po Yung part 2 nitong video? pede po pa link sir 🥺 thank you so much po

  • @laurencerheimiranda398
    @laurencerheimiranda398 2 года назад +1

    Done watching po sir.

    • @RobertJohnDonesa
      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

  • @herschelflores6228
    @herschelflores6228 Год назад

    Done watching, thank you po sir!
    Flores, Herschel R.
    BSED-1A

  • @charizenicolebulanadi9335
    @charizenicolebulanadi9335 Год назад

    done watching, thank you Atty. Donesa!
    BULANADI, CHARIZE NICOLE
    BSED-1A

  • @shailarosevergin6175
    @shailarosevergin6175 Год назад +1

    Hello sir, sino po ba ang Genoese pilot?

    • @RobertJohnDonesa
      @RobertJohnDonesa  Год назад

      Wala siyang name. Nag-iwan siya ng narrative pero naka-describe lang na piloto siya na galing Genoa.

  • @elenaamamulang2173
    @elenaamamulang2173 Год назад

    Elena Amamulang
    BSED 1-B
    Never n'yo pong binigo ang mga estudyante na tulad ko sa mga impormasyong inyong binabahagi. Salamat po

  • @kylaalvarado4197
    @kylaalvarado4197 Год назад

    ALVARADO, KYLA S.
    BSED 1-B
    Done watching.Thankyou po for this meaningful discussion.

  • @jay-rcortez4062
    @jay-rcortez4062 Год назад

    Done watching po sir💖

  • @euneezlara7196
    @euneezlara7196 2 года назад +2

    done watching po sir :)

    • @RobertJohnDonesa
      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

  • @harveymanalo2051
    @harveymanalo2051 2 года назад

    Done watching sir, nakalimutan kolang mag comment*

  • @JEROMETENEDERO
    @JEROMETENEDERO Год назад +1

    Finished watching!
    Tenedero, Jerome A.
    BSED 1-A

  • @ranielsalomon53
    @ranielsalomon53 2 года назад +4

    Final na limasawa island Ang 1st easter mass in the Philippines.

  • @justinjuson8798
    @justinjuson8798 2 года назад +1

    Done Watching po Sir

    • @RobertJohnDonesa
      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

  • @arlenelabuson4102
    @arlenelabuson4102 3 года назад

    LABUSON ARLENE L.
    A student from BSHM-2E done watching sir💕

  • @marielsantiago6841
    @marielsantiago6841 Год назад +1

    Done watching
    Santiago, Mariel M. | BSED 1-B

  • @coleenyssa2536
    @coleenyssa2536 Год назад +1

    hello po, sir! I'm from 1H1 po. Regarding Antonio Pigafetta's version, my takeaway is that I strongly believe that the first mass really happened in Butuan because other than the given evidences in Butuan, I still hold on to the fact that there were statues of Magellan from the first mass, which really strengthens the fact that the first mass happened in Masao. Because it has to have a significance in order for the statue to be built, if the mass didn't happen there, how would one explain that the First Mass happened in Limasawa and not Butuan? Plus the fact that the Americans were the ones who decided that in the celebration of the 400 years since the first mass, they would move the said first mass in Limasawa rather than Butuan which were it originally happened, which gives us the loop that it was clearly stated that they wanted to the mass to be moved in Limasawa when it actually happened in Masao on 1521. Not only that, the Limasawa also loses by the fact that there was a slight mistranslation on Antonio Pigafetta's about the 9 degrees and 2/3. So, I believe that after tons of evidences there is about the first mass happening in Butuan, I strongly believed that it happened in Butuan.

  • @user-rb8vm6lr9l
    @user-rb8vm6lr9l 9 месяцев назад

    Sir is your book for sale? Thanks

  • @user-ui3nx4ue3s
    @user-ui3nx4ue3s 5 месяцев назад

    Sabi nila sa limasawa daw

  • @maurineninac.reobaldo1628
    @maurineninac.reobaldo1628 Год назад

    done watching po Atty. Donesa! Thankyou po.
    Maurine Niña C. Reobaldo
    BSED-1B

  • @bytefrews9729
    @bytefrews9729 2 года назад +1

    Done Watching po sir :)

    • @RobertJohnDonesa
      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад +1

      Thanks, please don't forget to answer the quiz.

  • @tamakisuo1862
    @tamakisuo1862 Год назад

    Aside po sa latitudes, ano pa pong evidences? Thank you po ❤️

    • @RobertJohnDonesa
      @RobertJohnDonesa  Год назад

      Presence of Balangays in Masao, Butuan, nabanggit kasi ni Pigafetta they saw boats called balangays. Presence of gold, rice fields in Masao, Butuan, nabanggit ito lahat ni Pigafetta, wala ito sa Limasawa. Finally, the King of Butuan and Mazaua, according to Pigafetta are brothers, it is against human experience if one is in Mindanao and the other is in Visayas.

  • @jedidiahjeielcabral2460
    @jedidiahjeielcabral2460 2 года назад +1

    Done Watching po

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      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

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    @kristellamarizhipolito5048 Год назад

    Kristella, student from BAMM 1-C
    Done watching!

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    @peterjohnenguerra7883 3 года назад

    Student from Bshm 2-F done watching sir

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      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

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    @joshuadanielasiddao657 2 года назад +1

    Done watching sir

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      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

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    @amaraclaireobenario8603 Год назад

    Regine B. Carlos
    BSED 1-B
    Done watching sir, thankyou!

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    @jayrongarcia1672 Год назад

    Doone watching sir
    Garcia, Jayron I.
    BSHN 2I

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    @KianPonce 2 года назад +1

    done watching.

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      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

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    @rovicbernalddaduya5457 2 года назад +1

    Done Watching

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      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

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    @clarizerivera479 Год назад +1

    Done watching po

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    @jhomeltimbol1177 2 года назад

    done watching po

  • @Bebs21
    @Bebs21 2 года назад +7

    NAPUNTA AKO DITO DAHIL SA REPORT HAAHAH

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    @hermanhidalgo2671 2 года назад +1

    Done watching

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    @joebertdellamas3606 Год назад

    Done watching.🎉
    Dellamas Joebert Q. ❤
    BSED - 1A

  • @ejdeguzman8458
    @ejdeguzman8458 Год назад

    may pdf po ba kayo sir???

  • @gabbusaii3375
    @gabbusaii3375 2 года назад +1

    Done watching po sir - Gab Dayrit CCIS2C

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      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

  • @marymarthabacoy6117
    @marymarthabacoy6117 2 года назад +1

    done watching

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      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

  • @bemmartinez9806
    @bemmartinez9806 2 года назад +3

    Sir I have a question regarding the original description of Antonio Pigafetta.... How can I search the original description of Antonio Pigafetta... I want to read it

    • @RobertJohnDonesa
      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад +2

      www.gutenberg.org/files/42884/42884-h/42884-h.htm#ittext

  • @marianinacristinallarenasc8406
    @marianinacristinallarenasc8406 3 года назад

    CABUJAT, MARIA NIÑA CRISTINA, L.
    Student from BSHM 2-E
    Done watching sir

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      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

  • @yami8707
    @yami8707 2 года назад +1

    done watching po sir - Dencey Tapang CCIS2C

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      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

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    @carmelasunga8008 Год назад +1

    Sunga, Carmela V.
    BSED 1B
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    @danicahsantiago Год назад

    BSED 1-A
    Danica H. Santiago
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    @reynandj.rafael3118 Год назад

    Done watching po sir thankyou, BSHM2-I

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    @riamaemalay9366 Год назад

    Done watching po sir
    Ria Mae, BAMM 1-C

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    @DesireeLD 3 года назад

    DIMLA, DESIREE L.
    Student from BTECH BSHM-2E
    Done watching sir.

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      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

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    @armanpostrado1197 Год назад

    Done watching po sir!!
    Arman
    BAMM 1-C

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    @pekongdeguzman3178 3 года назад

    CRUZ JERICHO C. BSHM 2E
    Done watching po sir

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      @RobertJohnDonesa  2 года назад

      Don't forget to answer the examinations. Thank you!

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    @rashleyshairasilvestre-tb2cy Год назад

    SILVESTRE RASHLEY SHAIRA C.
    BSED 1B

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    @beaangeles1308 Год назад

    Bea Patron
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    @micoletamayo8775 Год назад

    DONE WATCHING PO SIR
    TAMAYO, MICOLE B.
    BSHM 2G

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    @rianicolenaposarrondo2020 Год назад

    SARRONDO RIA NICOLE NAPO. BSHM-2-I
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