What do you think of the new lore pretty much telling us that the titans have been writing a very biased version of history? Also check out my Instagram for IRL stuff: instagram.com/doronsmovies
So first, we thought Old gods were the strongest but the titans were stronger. Then we thought titans were strongest but the void lords are stronger. Then we thought the void Lords were strongest and now the First Ones are... If we keep going at this rate, soon we're gonna end up fighting the fast and furious crew!!
Dunno, I would say the Broker chart is much more biased. Titans presented the forces as equal, and if anything, Light and the Void were the most importantin it and Chronicles, not Order-Disorder. On the other hand, Broker's inflate Death (and by effect Life), and outright insult concepts like Shamanism in their book.
Yeah thats what I thought, Titans never believed themselves the most important dudes in the neighborhood as Light and Void were the fundamental forces.. nor they show some chart ever The new chart also show the actual Arbiter in the Death cosmological force so wtf we already know it was a robot, that chart is fucked up
This is ALL a big FU to Metzen. The Titans are a metaphor for Metzen. They didn't build it, they just made it better. Metzen did not create Warcraft, he just made it better. Metzen is the God of blizzard. They even named him Thundergod! Do you think the new writers want to live in that shadow, hence the destruction of the shadowlands. The jailer wants to break free from reality and make it his own. The new writers are the jailer and even used a beloved character to spit in the face of fans, Slyvanas. Someone in blizzard really doesn't like Metzen. I can give you a ton more samples. I could be wrong, but it really feels like it.
Anyone that’s watching this video MUST watch Taliesin’s (most popular WoW lore reviewer) video on the cosmology chart, on how the 2 charts are EXACTLY the same.
Why bother getting invested in lore when it's just going to keep get retconned to varying levels of edginess? Plus the Brokers are at least as biased as the Titans.
As a long time lore fan, I totally agree. It becomes obvious, when the writers today have hit a roadblock on creative storytelling, the only thing they can think of is retconning what people wrote before and waving around their ideas "Look, My Ideas Better! It's Way More Edgy then those stupid old stories!" I've seen this happen so many times with ongoing series, old writers phase out, new ones come in promising to keep the faith of the old writers in place, but it's a straight up lie. Look at the mess the new star wars films are as an example.
My point exactly. Literary what’s the point of finally organizing all lore in one book, to make it easy to understand, if by the next expansion you are going to make decades of lore mean nothing.
Sorry this is coming out as incredibly stupid. Yes I am many others are aware that the Titans lore always seem shady/shifty and there are some passes/references that prove, it still doesn’t make feel forced and stupid (Just like the entire Sylvannas arc that is referenced in some books, but when comes to the game it comes forced and out of nowhere making her look like the biggest fool in the cosmos) specially in an expansion that that is going full retcon galore, and the replacement/explanation lore for it, is even worse than the lore they retconned. Again this just comes like all the other entertainment media sources same problem, and that is that the new writers being hired to continue the story have no knowledge/interest/respect on the franchise, and thus retcon it to push their own version as subtly as a truck crashing into a living. This is why many have lost interest in WOW and why many like myself just basically given up in trying to make any sense out of this jumbled mess. If retcons are going to be this massive/petty why should we even bother trying to understand/get interested when the writer clearly does not.
The problem I have with these retcons . More specifically with Chronicles. Is that originally Chronicles was sold as the one-to-one everything you need to know about wow lore . What happens and who did it and everything in between. That is what it was sold for and I feel cheated now that I bought it for that
Nope the Titans where really cool and mysterious and then Blizzard ran out of raid bosses and had to create new lore which is shittier just like Blizzard is compared to years ago.
Worst of is that there stills a lot of potential in WoW. The Old Gods and their masters the Void Lords alone could have given us a lot of content, but Blizzard decided to permanently kill the Old Gods, and the Void Lords were kicked to the curve in favor of Shadowlands.
This lore is utter garbage. I'm so sick of them destroying everything that came before. They are spitting on the original story, which is by several magnitudes better than this nonesense.
Everyone is pissed at this point:p or atleast almost everybody... seen some comments in here that still defends their shitty writing, but most people are tired of this shit. Worst thing is, they were on the right track too, until they made shadowtrashlands... After defeating the Legion and Sargeras, the story was always moving towards the void lords and the void, and after/in between that, it was hinted that maybe the light would become a problem too, but no... rather than going with the stories they have literally built up for decades they make this new super villain out of nowhere, that is fighting these super titans also out of nowhere... TRASH!
This feels like G.R.R. Martin style of writing with added retconning and sidelining. Making the world first and hoping the story will pop out later. Just keep diggin for older lore bits and twist them to your purpose until there is nothing to build on, just an amalgam of >>EPIC
I really like how they can't decide if the Titans are full of shit or if Azeroth's Titan Soul is just so uber mega cool and strong everyone wants a piece of that ASs (Azerite Shards).
it has been known that it was from their perspective, and biased for a long time. Was not a retcon because they are doing the same with the brokers, it is part of the story. different perspectives telling the same story, collectively there will be overlap, that overlap we can trust the rest we can speculate. That being said... you may not like the breadcrumb/speculation angle, i know i dont, but retcon it is not. this was established way back when chronicle came out at first.
Not every bit of new information is a retcon just because you dont like it. We've known since Chronicle came out that the entirety of chronicle is from the titanic's perspective.
@@williamk52 The chronicle book was always written from the perspective of the Titans. Not from an objective point of view. I remember that youtubers like pyromancer were predicting this for a while
What if all things happening in SL right now is just a vision of The Old Gods (N’Zoth)? To simulate and observe how we would react to a cosmological treat as the Jailer, just so they can alter their void armies and are 3 steps ahead of us. I wouldn’t surprise if we woke up from a deep vision, where in the meantime half of Azzeroth is attacked by the void (as the vision were a distraction and intellectual simulation at once) ? Or am I triplin rn?
Oooh boi i really don't like the first ones concept. Titans are already too big of a deal and now they are not even the biggerst beings of the universe. Seems like all the lore now revolves around increasingly powerful beings to a point that not even the titans feel that powerful. It's like a poor shounen anime with stupid power creep after stupid power creep. It's sad.
Powercreep. DragonBall did it also because it's been going on for so long. They eventually had to fight mutiversal gods... "God's" but from other universes... Kind of an OxyMoron. Because God's are meant to be omnipotent and omniscient so they should be able to transcend ANY plane.
The Wrath Of The Lich King cinematic is magnificent. In World Of Warcraft, tho, The Army Of The Dead is not so scary and it's a pity. Nowadays in game there are vulpera death knights which is ridicolous. The Death Knight hero class in original developers' thoughts came after levelling human warrior, human priest, orc warlock and human paladin. The death knights copies the paladin: versatility for his self healing - opposed to the paladin versatility for his healing spells -and haste which lowers the cool downs of all his abilities and the global cooldowns in general. Shadowlands is now a thing and we have a mess about the Lore of Arthas and Death Knight class in particular: we no longer have the 3 kind of runes (blood, frost and unholy). No longer dark simulacrum, summon gargoyle and necrotic strike are baseline for Unholy. This is about the gameplay. Now about the lore: what would have been cool in my humble opinion? In Shadowlands having Arthas and Kel'Thuzad accomplishing their plan to take the place of Zovaal, the puppeteer behind Ner'Zhul. Similar to "Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver", a stoty arc like a circle with everything planned by Kel'Thuzad. Like in Soul Reaver, Sylvanas would have been the main soul trapped in Frostmourne, the soul that hungers and fuels Frostmourne, the ghost and icy two hand sword. Death Knight class should have their paladin soul traopped in their 2 hand sword and they should be able to use only two hand swords, a relic like the one we had in Legion which continuesly progress through the game; two hand sword which they are bound to opposed to two hand and one hand hammers which are the only weapons paladins can use to cast their spells. In this vision of mine Bolvar Fordragon forged in the undead dragon fire breath would have been the bulwark, the armor where Arthas would have forged his soul to come back in this reality: a ghost in an armor. So back to Icecrown Arthas would have finally lead the third faction: The Undead to conquer all the living. Only human paladins can be death knights decaying in Forsaken if you do not death coils yourself enough. After the dead of the night warrior Tyrande by the hands of Arthas, of course, we would have had in this idea of mine, Malfurion leading a fourth faction, as we had in WC3 opposed to the Death rising and to Alliance and Horde not respecting Nature. Blizzard, we loved your games for your Lore. I've just downloaded: Hearthstone, Heroes Of The Storm, Overwatch, Diablo III, Starcraft II. They are all asian games most oif all in the graphics and in their microtransactions. As player I don't want this, honestly and this is not the future of the game industry. This is the future YOU want to give to the Game Industry. I have different ideas and yes in Diablo III even the Auction House given to the players to sell their findings was better than your microtransactions and the third party boosting services #fireion #fireholinka #firewyattcheng ( ruclips.net/video/ly10r6m_-n8/видео.html ) #firejallenbrack ( ruclips.net/video/33NLcvCmnKA/видео.html )
No matter which view is correct or incorrect I do have a question: how does that effect the player? So Titans thought they were the main dudes. The Light believes itself to be the same. Same for each. But how exactly is that supposed to make a difference for us on Azeroth? A bunch of big cosmological forces that each think they're the most important bashing heads for the soul of Azeroth. I guess. I just don't see how that directly furthers the story of Azeroth.
It doesn’t. In the past the Void Lords wanted the Soul of Azeroth to create their own Titan (a Dark Titan) which is why the send the Old Gods, beings so essentially for how Azeroth was developed along with the player… And now all of that was kicked to the Curved because WoW wants to become StarCraft.
Calling it: the voidlords are the actual First Ones and they are the good guys. We’re the bad guys who invaded their cosmos. The Old Gods did nothing wrong and were just trying to liberate us from the Titan’s manipulation.
The game we play is not the realm of life. The differences between what we can do and what those in the Shadowlands can do show us this. For example, all denizens of the Shadowlands are aware of most of the other worlds within the death universe. Were as no one planet in our realm knows of any other unless they have visited or been visited by another. The denizens of Shadowlands can be made aware of things happening in our realm when a soul comes and doesn't have it's memory wiped, but we never get a child born who had memories of the Shadowlands. Also, why do we have kids as entrance into this realm and not Shadowlands. I have come to believe that there is a separate realm of actual life and that is were Elune actually is. Our existence seems like the realm of life, but it is in fact simply the great cycle.
I gotta say I understand why you'd want to expand to larger things than what you had before. Like there comes to a point where there's so many ideas for what *could* be going on that you'd obviously want to explore that in the game. But the fact of the matter is that they're forcing this exploration into a game that isn't supposed to be that. They could even make a different game or series about this stuff, but the main game needs to just be what it started out as: High fantasy Azeroth.
I would have to say this adds more context, to what we know and how things can be view from other cosmic forces, not saying any force is wrong, but in how they view it. More akin from their vantage point in a war with what knowledge they know. Considering the Titans didn’t know about the void lords and old gods until they saw planets got void infected. Unless the true first ones ie. Blizzard puts one in stone, for us too see.
Nah, the Titans did not lie. Activision Blizzard decided to retcon, retcon and recton. Activision Blizzard lied. If you want a good game, do not get writers that retcon stuff, by burning the foundation to the ground.
Theoretically: the Light Cosmology chart could have Light be the Biggest with the 4 unrelated forces around it and Void beneath it smaller than the rest representing the Light's "one truth" philosophy Life's chart will more or less be the same from the same as death's but from the opposite perspective Void's cosmology Chart will probably be like the Titan one with all the 6 powers being the same size but with a bunch of branching paths to represent their "many truths" philosophy Disorder doesn't even have a chart
i don't think Titans are liars , they are just a second generation of gods (less powerfull) maked by first ones ! But firt ones with billions years have go away or (that i think for azeroth) they are sleeping in core planets in a regenerating process to reborn a day ... Its why titans think azeroth was a titan , but her power so much higher than titans is for me just the proof she is not a titan but a First ones in regeneration Titans are just less powerfull gods born by first ones power , who have forgotten there real parents by millions and millions years
In a way I feel bad for you Doronsmovies. Your channel was and still is one of the best for WoW lore, but the WoW writers seem determined to destroy the old good lore and introduce new lore that is utter garbage.
Yeah i say the brokers do not know shit! They are just some low tier dudes like us. How could they know more about the order of things then the Titans, who are still the bigest and badest beings in the universe. They cant and they don't.
Click bait topic and same repeating (nothing new) video content for this one. C'mon Doron u can do better than this. For example you can make a video about kortia artifacts which we collect them whole kortia quest chain. its something new topic and some releated with history of kortia+old ones.
Considering titans chart show a more equal and balanced view of cosmic forces, reinforced by what we learned from SL that each cosmic force backed by a "first ones" brought about/formed our current reality we are part of.... I would say brokers are way more biased. Even though "first ones" supposedly created everything there is no question that titans did their part to order and cultivate. Hell, humans of azeroth are literally titan forge aka created by the titans with the interference of old gods "curse of flesh". But I can't really blame you for thinking this way sense everything we know gets retcon and become various points of incoherent thoughts put together to justify their current failing expac story.
What do you think of the new lore pretty much telling us that the titans have been writing a very biased version of history? Also check out my Instagram for IRL stuff: instagram.com/doronsmovies
Taliesin proved the 2 maps are exactally the same just diffrent view points...watch it
This.
This.
Yep
So first, we thought Old gods were the strongest but the titans were stronger. Then we thought titans were strongest but the void lords are stronger. Then we thought the void Lords were strongest and now the First Ones are... If we keep going at this rate, soon we're gonna end up fighting the fast and furious crew!!
Honestly I don't even think the Brokers are part of the shadowlands. They are as much a visitors like we are
Dunno, I would say the Broker chart is much more biased. Titans presented the forces as equal, and if anything, Light and the Void were the most importantin it and Chronicles, not Order-Disorder. On the other hand, Broker's inflate Death (and by effect Life), and outright insult concepts like Shamanism in their book.
Yeah thats what I thought, Titans never believed themselves the most important dudes in the neighborhood as Light and Void were the fundamental forces.. nor they show some chart ever
The new chart also show the actual Arbiter in the Death cosmological force so wtf we already know it was a robot, that chart is fucked up
And of course I mean Blizzard is fucked up.. not that no one knows by the time
This is ALL a big FU to Metzen. The Titans are a metaphor for Metzen. They didn't build it, they just made it better. Metzen did not create Warcraft, he just made it better. Metzen is the God of blizzard. They even named him Thundergod! Do you think the new writers want to live in that shadow, hence the destruction of the shadowlands. The jailer wants to break free from reality and make it his own. The new writers are the jailer and even used a beloved character to spit in the face of fans, Slyvanas.
Someone in blizzard really doesn't like Metzen. I can give you a ton more samples.
I could be wrong, but it really feels like it.
Actually Metzen used to be a good writer until WOTLK, after then he lost it.
John, you're forgetting that Metzen wrote Cataclysm and went insane making the lore absolutely terrible.
Anyone that’s watching this video MUST watch Taliesin’s (most popular WoW lore reviewer) video on the cosmology chart, on how the 2 charts are EXACTLY the same.
Was that guy cancelled a while back cause he attacked another streamer
@@ulisesroldan2955 i don’t know actually. I doubt it though. Doesn’t seem like the kind of person to do that.
We will find out next expansion that the Brokers had no idea what they were talking about either. The endless cycle of Blizzard retcons
Why bother getting invested in lore when it's just going to keep get retconned to varying levels of edginess? Plus the Brokers are at least as biased as the Titans.
As a long time lore fan, I totally agree. It becomes obvious, when the writers today have hit a roadblock on creative storytelling, the only thing they can think of is retconning what people wrote before and waving around their ideas "Look, My Ideas Better! It's Way More Edgy then those stupid old stories!"
I've seen this happen so many times with ongoing series, old writers phase out, new ones come in promising to keep the faith of the old writers in place, but it's a straight up lie. Look at the mess the new star wars films are as an example.
So why did I buy Chronicles
They just laughed at my face.. and many others btw
Simple plain old bullshit
My point exactly. Literary what’s the point of finally organizing all lore in one book, to make it easy to understand, if by the next expansion you are going to make decades of lore mean nothing.
Sorry this is coming out as incredibly stupid. Yes I am many others are aware that the Titans lore always seem shady/shifty and there are some passes/references that prove, it still doesn’t make feel forced and stupid (Just like the entire Sylvannas arc that is referenced in some books, but when comes to the game it comes forced and out of nowhere making her look like the biggest fool in the cosmos) specially in an expansion that that is going full retcon galore, and the replacement/explanation lore for it, is even worse than the lore they retconned.
Again this just comes like all the other entertainment media sources same problem, and that is that the new writers being hired to continue the story have no knowledge/interest/respect on the franchise, and thus retcon it to push their own version as subtly as a truck crashing into a living.
This is why many have lost interest in WOW and why many like myself just basically given up in trying to make any sense out of this jumbled mess. If retcons are going to be this massive/petty why should we even bother trying to understand/get interested when the writer clearly does not.
The problem I have with these retcons . More specifically with Chronicles.
Is that originally Chronicles was sold as the one-to-one everything you need to know about wow lore . What happens and who did it and everything in between.
That is what it was sold for and I feel cheated now that I bought it for that
I give up. Blizzard themselves don't even know what the lore is anymore. Doesn't feel like any use to keep trying to learn it. FeelsBadMan
This lore needs to end god it's so bad...
WoW lore is so convoluted now, after 15 years of playing I'm glad I stopped with Legion. Though I miss it. 😕
Thats it, im done. No more wow lore. Its shit
Nope the Titans where really cool and mysterious and then Blizzard ran out of raid bosses and had to create new lore which is shittier just like Blizzard is compared to years ago.
Exactly!, and when this shit is done... they will retcon their retcon again and tadda! void lords are coming...
Worst of is that there stills a lot of potential in WoW. The Old Gods and their masters the Void Lords alone could have given us a lot of content, but Blizzard decided to permanently kill the Old Gods, and the Void Lords were kicked to the curve in favor of Shadowlands.
@@bernardotorres5274 The Old God's are very much still alive from what I can tell?
This lore is utter garbage. I'm so sick of them destroying everything that came before. They are spitting on the original story, which is by several magnitudes better than this nonesense.
Pyro is pissed I bet
Everyone is pissed at this point:p or atleast almost everybody... seen some comments in here that still defends their shitty writing, but most people are tired of this shit.
Worst thing is, they were on the right track too, until they made shadowtrashlands... After defeating the Legion and Sargeras, the story was always moving towards the void lords and the void, and after/in between that, it was hinted that maybe the light would become a problem too, but no... rather than going with the stories they have literally built up for decades they make this new super villain out of nowhere, that is fighting these super titans also out of nowhere...
TRASH!
This feels like G.R.R. Martin style of writing with added retconning and sidelining. Making the world first and hoping the story will pop out later. Just keep diggin for older lore bits and twist them to your purpose until there is nothing to build on, just an amalgam of >>EPIC
Liked Warcraft for its lore. Now makes me feel like I wasted time on following such convoluted WoW lore by blizzard
Same boat…
But wait, there's more!
I think even Blizzard have no idea about it.
I really like how they can't decide if the Titans are full of shit or if Azeroth's Titan Soul is just so uber mega cool and strong everyone wants a piece of that ASs (Azerite Shards).
Okay from now on i hate this new lore that they are making
Ye, its what happens when the company is running itself into the ground. Everything is trash:p
Same. Can't play the game anymore. It isn't the same universe I loved anymore. It's completely different and the new lore sucks
The quickest retcon known to man.
it has been known that it was from their perspective, and biased for a long time. Was not a retcon because they are doing the same with the brokers, it is part of the story. different perspectives telling the same story, collectively there will be overlap, that overlap we can trust the rest we can speculate. That being said... you may not like the breadcrumb/speculation angle, i know i dont, but retcon it is not. this was established way back when chronicle came out at first.
Quickiest retcon on a Wild West.
@@erikaw7767 it's a retcon when they literally sell the chronicle books as the cannon then change it within an expansion
Not every bit of new information is a retcon just because you dont like it. We've known since Chronicle came out that the entirety of chronicle is from the titanic's perspective.
@@williamk52 The chronicle book was always written from the perspective of the Titans. Not from an objective point of view. I remember that youtubers like pyromancer were predicting this for a while
What if all things happening in SL right now is just a vision of The Old Gods (N’Zoth)? To simulate and observe how we would react to a cosmological treat as the Jailer, just so they can alter their void armies and are 3 steps ahead of us. I wouldn’t surprise if we woke up from a deep vision, where in the meantime half of Azzeroth is attacked by the void (as the vision were a distraction and intellectual simulation at once) ? Or am I triplin rn?
Oooh boi i really don't like the first ones concept. Titans are already too big of a deal and now they are not even the biggerst beings of the universe. Seems like all the lore now revolves around increasingly powerful beings to a point that not even the titans feel that powerful. It's like a poor shounen anime with stupid power creep after stupid power creep. It's sad.
Powercreep. DragonBall did it also because it's been going on for so long. They eventually had to fight mutiversal gods... "God's" but from other universes... Kind of an OxyMoron. Because God's are meant to be omnipotent and omniscient so they should be able to transcend ANY plane.
Even the writers do not know the real plan of the first ones
The Wrath Of The Lich King cinematic is magnificent. In World Of Warcraft, tho, The Army Of The Dead is not so scary and it's a pity. Nowadays in game there are vulpera death knights which is ridicolous. The Death Knight hero class in original developers' thoughts came after levelling human warrior, human priest, orc warlock and human paladin. The death knights copies the paladin: versatility for his self healing - opposed to the paladin versatility for his healing spells -and haste which lowers the cool downs of all his abilities and the global cooldowns in general. Shadowlands is now a thing and we have a mess about the Lore of Arthas and Death Knight class in particular: we no longer have the 3 kind of runes (blood, frost and unholy). No longer dark simulacrum, summon gargoyle and necrotic strike are baseline for Unholy. This is about the gameplay. Now about the lore: what would have been cool in my humble opinion? In Shadowlands having Arthas and Kel'Thuzad accomplishing their plan to take the place of Zovaal, the puppeteer behind Ner'Zhul. Similar to "Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver", a stoty arc like a circle with everything planned by Kel'Thuzad. Like in Soul Reaver, Sylvanas would have been the main soul trapped in Frostmourne, the soul that hungers and fuels Frostmourne, the ghost and icy two hand sword. Death Knight class should have their paladin soul traopped in their 2 hand sword and they should be able to use only two hand swords, a relic like the one we had in Legion which continuesly progress through the game; two hand sword which they are bound to opposed to two hand and one hand hammers which are the only weapons paladins can use to cast their spells. In this vision of mine Bolvar Fordragon forged in the undead dragon fire breath would have been the bulwark, the armor where Arthas would have forged his soul to come back in this reality: a ghost in an armor. So back to Icecrown Arthas would have finally lead the third faction: The Undead to conquer all the living. Only human paladins can be death knights decaying in Forsaken if you do not death coils yourself enough. After the dead of the night warrior Tyrande by the hands of Arthas, of course, we would have had in this idea of mine, Malfurion leading a fourth faction, as we had in WC3 opposed to the Death rising and to Alliance and Horde not respecting Nature. Blizzard, we loved your games for your Lore. I've just downloaded: Hearthstone, Heroes Of The Storm, Overwatch, Diablo III, Starcraft II. They are all asian games most oif all in the graphics and in their microtransactions. As player I don't want this, honestly and this is not the future of the game industry. This is the future YOU want to give to the Game Industry. I have different ideas and yes in Diablo III even the Auction House given to the players to sell their findings was better than your microtransactions and the third party boosting services #fireion #fireholinka #firewyattcheng ( ruclips.net/video/ly10r6m_-n8/видео.html ) #firejallenbrack ( ruclips.net/video/33NLcvCmnKA/видео.html )
No matter which view is correct or incorrect I do have a question: how does that effect the player? So Titans thought they were the main dudes. The Light believes itself to be the same. Same for each. But how exactly is that supposed to make a difference for us on Azeroth? A bunch of big cosmological forces that each think they're the most important bashing heads for the soul of Azeroth. I guess. I just don't see how that directly furthers the story of Azeroth.
It doesn’t. In the past the Void Lords wanted the Soul of Azeroth to create their own Titan (a Dark Titan) which is why the send the Old Gods, beings so essentially for how Azeroth was developed along with the player… And now all of that was kicked to the Curved because WoW wants to become StarCraft.
It expands the lore. And that, for me, is mindgasm.
Doronsmovies: Titans were big, fat, liars!!!
Me: Oh come on Bro, they're not that chubby
🤣🤣🤣😅😅
Calling it: the voidlords are the actual First Ones and they are the good guys. We’re the bad guys who invaded their cosmos. The Old Gods did nothing wrong and were just trying to liberate us from the Titan’s manipulation.
Oh my, another retcon
The game we play is not the realm of life. The differences between what we can do and what those in the Shadowlands can do show us this. For example, all denizens of the Shadowlands are aware of most of the other worlds within the death universe. Were as no one planet in our realm knows of any other unless they have visited or been visited by another. The denizens of Shadowlands can be made aware of things happening in our realm when a soul comes and doesn't have it's memory wiped, but we never get a child born who had memories of the Shadowlands. Also, why do we have kids as entrance into this realm and not Shadowlands. I have come to believe that there is a separate realm of actual life and that is were Elune actually is. Our existence seems like the realm of life, but it is in fact simply the great cycle.
“This world is a Prison, and I will set us all free” my queen, the dark lady says
I gotta say I understand why you'd want to expand to larger things than what you had before. Like there comes to a point where there's so many ideas for what *could* be going on that you'd obviously want to explore that in the game. But the fact of the matter is that they're forcing this exploration into a game that isn't supposed to be that. They could even make a different game or series about this stuff, but the main game needs to just be what it started out as: High fantasy Azeroth.
I would have to say this adds more context, to what we know and how things can be view from other cosmic forces, not saying any force is wrong, but in how they view it. More akin from their vantage point in a war with what knowledge they know. Considering the Titans didn’t know about the void lords and old gods until they saw planets got void infected. Unless the true first ones ie. Blizzard puts one in stone, for us too see.
im pretty sure that if the titans wanted, they could destroy the whole death or life plain.
Nah, the Titans did not lie. Activision Blizzard decided to retcon, retcon and recton. Activision Blizzard lied. If you want a good game, do not get writers that retcon stuff, by burning the foundation to the ground.
Theoretically:
the Light Cosmology chart could have Light be the Biggest with the 4 unrelated forces around it and Void beneath it smaller than the rest representing the Light's "one truth" philosophy
Life's chart will more or less be the same from the same as death's but from the opposite perspective
Void's cosmology Chart will probably be like the Titan one with all the 6 powers being the same size but with a bunch of branching paths to represent their "many truths" philosophy
Disorder doesn't even have a chart
Isnt there a quest text that says the Brokers are also new to the shadowlands like us
So why was Denathrious so easily defeated?
The whole reality is a huge planetary gear system. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicyclic_gearing
Why does this guy sounds like the good version of Pilav
Both are speaking English with serbian accent
Why i‘m still Think that the First One are same as TWSAIS (Marvel) 🤔
"Titans are big liars" doubt it new blizzard employees just don't know the damn story lmao
i don't think Titans are liars , they are just a second generation of gods (less powerfull) maked by first ones ! But firt ones with billions years have go away or (that i think for azeroth) they are sleeping in core planets in a regenerating process to reborn a day ... Its why titans think azeroth was a titan , but her power so much higher than titans is for me just the proof she is not a titan but a First ones in regeneration
Titans are just less powerfull gods born by first ones power , who have forgotten there real parents by millions and millions years
In a way I feel bad for you Doronsmovies. Your channel was and still is one of the best for WoW lore, but the WoW writers seem determined to destroy the old good lore and introduce new lore that is utter garbage.
"PRESPECTIVES of Warcraft"
But hey, thats a theor- wrong channel xD but awesome videos, keep it up!!
When men trying to understand afterlife...
Shits getting complicated
That’s putting it nicely.
Nobody lie here - its point of view. Cosmology charts are the same.
Yeah i say the brokers do not know shit! They are just some low tier dudes like us. How could they know more about the order of things then the Titans, who are still the bigest and badest beings in the universe. They cant and they don't.
I can’t wait in 10 years when we’re told to zoom out on the first ones cosmological chart and find the creators of that chart
same map seen from two different sides
Tauren “vs” highmountain tauren culture different and things like that!
It's exactly the same chart just placed differently 😑
2d chart vs 3D etc
A bit biased supposed. Light and shadow was first
The Titans been real quiet since this dropped...
oh for crying out loud! God damn "World of Retcon"
This is huge!
Grimour of the shadowlands was the most disappointing lore book they have ever put it. It was all fluff and loose opinions.
Click bait topic and same repeating (nothing new) video content for this one. C'mon Doron u can do better than this. For example you can make a video about kortia artifacts which we collect them whole kortia quest chain. its something new topic and some releated with history of kortia+old ones.
so another retcon from blizzard? ♠
Considering titans chart show a more equal and balanced view of cosmic forces, reinforced by what we learned from SL that each cosmic force backed by a "first ones" brought about/formed our current reality we are part of.... I would say brokers are way more biased. Even though "first ones" supposedly created everything there is no question that titans did their part to order and cultivate. Hell, humans of azeroth are literally titan forge aka created by the titans with the interference of old gods "curse of flesh".
But I can't really blame you for thinking this way sense everything we know gets retcon and become various points of incoherent thoughts put together to justify their current failing expac story.
big retcon
Shadowlands = hot garbage. And you're making a fuss out of nothing.
Yaaaaas