TITANS Are Just A Bunch Of LOSERS Now?! LORE CHANGED
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Did titans go from Warcraft gods to a bunch of glorified roleplayers over the course of one expansion
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Since forever in World of Warcraft the titan pantheon were the gods, the creators and probably the most important beings in the entire Warcraft universe. However with the retcons in the Shadowlands and the Grimoire of the Shadowlands changes their role was definitely minimized.
While it is still unclear how they came to be, thus far it seems like the titans are just losers and impersonators pretending to be the First Ones and pretending to create worlds while they only inherited what was already there. Are titans literally just glorified First One roleplayers?
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They way I see it, the First Ones were the ones who established the general laws of how the universe would run, down to the fabric of reality, laws of physics, and afterlife. They didn't do much else after that; a farmer that sowed seeds and never harvested. The Titans would come to be, practically a law of nature in their own right (arcane power), and seeing the nascent universe in a disorderly state or yet to be cultivated to its truest potential, set out to do just that since no one else was. And given that they're spawned from planets, it's safe to assume they were also acting on instinct.
Laugh all we want. There’s still a literal sword stuck in our planet. From a “little insignificant loser.”
I really really hope in 10.0 we wake up from a dream or illusion created by N’Zoth and the only difference is Bwonsomdi is even cooler
10.0 first quest is to compliment Bwonsamdi on his new hat.
So “The First Ones” is blizzard just force feeding us superfluous lore we don’t want, which also devalues the old lore we do want. Titans might as well be vanilla/metzen and first ones might as well be modern wow.
Titans vaaaay better
Blizztard has completely and utterly lost it... They will burn their own company to the ground soon
This honestly feels like a new writing team just came in look and lore and said “Check out this losers! WE can do it better”
This isn’t expanding the lore or even give it a satisfactory explanation, this just feels like more unnecessary retcons that are just making a mess of the story and keep adding contradictions in the story.
This all just one big slap to the face of all of us who have paying attention to the lore, as basically the new writers just came in calls us idiots for liking the old lore and essentially started drawing scrawls around it and saying they “improve” it. F*cking disgusting
Of course, thats why they waste Argus, Nazjatar, Zandalar, Kul'Tiras, Ny'alothe, N'zoth, Azshara and many other famous points in the lore within a few single patches.
I think initially Blizzard wanted to have their cliché "extreme order bad guy" faction; like the Tal-drim Protoss and Malthael's Reapers. Thus they started expanding and retconning the Titans in Wrath, Cata and Mists with Re-origination and the Mogu.
Then in Legion and BfA, they changed track and tried doing this to the Naaru, which despite being worse-written was more well-received for the most part.
But now they're just rewriting everything, throwing the old stuff out (perhaps while humming the song "everything you know is wrong").
remember when the Titans were the most powerful guys and they were the one who created the warcraft universe?
Good times....
Remember when the Old Gods were something the Titans “feared”
@@Zeus1845 Correction, it's the void that they fear wherein the old gods are just agents of the void or more specifically the void lords.
It seems like ActiBlizzard is trying to make the lore so stupid that people have no choice but to not care about it anymore.
I thought that all started when they shoved Kung Fu Panda down out throats.
@@Freebackrubs You mean the Pandas who have been present in WoW lore since the 90s? Nah, I will take a panda expansion over anything from the last three expansions.
@@DJezdic pandaren are more interesting than everything in shadowlands
@Freebackrubs Halfprice MoP was related to one of the old gods (the most powerful AND the cause of the well of eternity), introduced more lore about the wild gods, introduced the mogu, another titan race + the thunder king, which was the cause of uldum's desert; and we met Ra Den, a TITAN KEEPER, which hinted at the death fo the titans. Maybe focusing on the pandaren wasn't the best idea, but no one can deny that the lore of pandaria is good and related to Azeroth in a good way.
Edit: Also Whration and the hints to the burning legion upcoming invasion. What I'm trying to say is at that point the lore was still in a natural progression.
I still want to believe the Broker's lore dump on the cosmos is just Death's perspective. Just like how Chronicles is the Titans;. The Titans could be the First Ones because no one remembers what they were like
This is so incredibly frustrating. If they were going to take the lore in this direction, they would have had to laid clues around throughout the years in order for any of the current storytelling to have any integrity. You can't just set things up just to knock down randomly in the future, it's just so sloppy and makes anyone who actually enjoys investing in lore not even bother caring anymore.
I completely agree with you, actually this is my biggest criticism.
@@Doronsmovies Maybe, they just made it up when they were making shadowlands?
They stopped caring years ago
Thats because blizzard is TRASH in every sense of the word these days...
I don’t mind the Titans having limitations and flaws, but totally castrating them is just such an insult to those of us who have loved and followed the lore for two decades now… the first ones just feel like a copy paste of the Titans, but farther up the hierarchy.
I really dislike this "there is somene bigger behind the scenes" approach.
Lich King? Watch out, here comes the Jailer
I think it's ok to an extent until we get a bigger guy every 2 years and over time it becomes ridiculous.
@@Doronsmovies it just shows laziness. But then again, Danuser is a talentless hack
Yep, it’s really insulting to think we would fall for it or like it still- demonstrates how out of touch they are
Shounen manga in a nutshell. ROFL.
It's like the first ones create a Matrix like environment that is dependent on it breaking to achieve perfection. I think the Titans are Eternal Ones and the First ones designed different pantheons that kinda function in the same way.....a group designed each with their own purposes (each titan vs each eternal one) till one of them finds a flaw in the system turns on the rest (Sargeras vs the Jailer) tries to steal their power dismantle and burn down everything, converts one over to his side (Argus vs Denathrius) to aid in his plan by suppling something vital (endlessly regenerate armies vs Anima). Now it's up to to smallest of life born (usually an accident or abnormality) of the very system to fix it all(the mortal races), sound familiar?
Perhaps it would be a mechanism to essentially phase out the immensely powerful first generation of beings (Titans, Eternal Ones, Void Lords, etc), and usher in an age in which only far less powerful but far more numerous beings populate and dominate creation.
This strangely makes a lot of sense because a handful of god-tier beings is a high risk situation, whereas a vast quantity of relatively powerless beings is almost as low risk as having no life in the universe at all.
Can't you see that these new people at Activison-Blizz want to destroy the legacy of the old Blizzard?
It is so obvious.
Don’t worry, they’re increasing their lgbtq and women workforce by 50%! Because nothing makes a good game like shoving political activists into a workforce instead of whoever is actually qualified for the job.
This happens to everything these sjw idiots touch. The moment they announced that stupid shit it was the moment I knew wow was dead.
They’ll realize it a couple years too late. The trailer for 9.2 with the bland ass boring lady having pride colors over the blizzard name was enough of a hint. “Inclusivity and diversity” is code for less straight white men.
I think the titans are just following the first ones (parent) foot steps.... I think its common that it happens that way I guess >shrug however we are still tiny compared to everything else lol
I will never forgive Blizzard for canning their lore bible, Chronicles, just a bit over a year after it released. It's ridiculous; No Ogre Continent, "TiTan PeRspeCtive", Old Gods and Facilities that weren't in Chronicles at all and so on.
Can’t wait for the first ones to be liars, and just try to mimic the zero ones in a few years 🗿
and then the negative ones
So... You're telling me that they retconned the Titans to just make... The Titans??? Did Blizzard just literally made Titans 2.0 with the First Ones??? The same constructs, same purpose, same lore... This is just... Garbage, is like we ordered a sandwich that we really liked, and they just copied that sandwich and gave to us expecting we would like it too, but is so similar that is not special...
It's like those cheaper alternates to our favorite toys that parents try to push on their kids.
Imagine youre a titan buying a world on ebay to be a god and tell everybody you made them but then amazon crashes through and they say HEY YOU FOOL 😂
Shadowlands is comparable to the 8th Season of Game of Thrones; originally rich in lore and captivating that has the Warcraft Series as the platform to build upon (much like GoT had the books) only for the writers wanting to pull a plot twist that is completely underwhelming and against the story arc they had previously set up. *Sigh*
Not really.
Wow story lines have been stretched too far.
Game of thrones wasn't stretched to far, it took a completely different shortcut
So it’s the same principle?
@@samueljohnston8127 no it's the opposite.
But the result is equally disastrous
@@And-ur6ol I recall Blizzard saying they have nearly exhausted every possible lore that has been established in Warcraft 3.
Everyone is a loser compared to Sylvanas' ten thousand steps ahead of everyone, including Sargeras and the Old Gods.
Sad truth. Zombie Waifu > Everything in WoW lore. Sylvanas is like the cup and demon blood that Gul'dan corrupted the orcs with and enslaved them to the Legion.
I wish Blizzard world just hire some good writers capable of making a good long term story instead of retconning the story every expansion.
I applied for the writing team, but they keep replying saying "You're a white male, and we can't hire you because society wants us to hire more women and minorities, regardless of their talent/skill, even though we assault almost all those women."
Wish I could help 🤷
First ones are titans in my opinion. Prove me wrong
Argh! So the titans are now GMs while the first ones are the creators of the game and it’s rules.
Does that make the players as worthless as an NPC in DND?
My Prediction on First One timeline
1. First Ones destroyed the original physical representations of the cosmic forces aside from the Void Lords.
2. The First Ones replaced the original beings of death with Eternal Ones and their creations (it has been revealed that the Eternal Ones are nothing more than constructs by Blizzard)
3. The First Ones replaced the original beings of Order with the Titans starting with Amanthul.
4. Elune might be a First One protégé.
5. Amanthul and Elune used the First Ones’ teachings to order the universe in realms such as the Realms of Life (Emerald Dream) and Light (Elune creates Naaru)
6. The Naaru followed Elune’s beliefs by using the Light to bring “peace” to planets.
7. Essentially, the Titans, Elune, and the Naaru used what they learned from the First Ones to do their own thing (Great Ordering of the Cosmos, Ordering of Azeroth, and Ordering of Draenor, etc)
Use Marvel’s Eternals comics’ celestials and eternals as an example. The celestials build universes while the Eternals order civilizations inhabiting those built universes.
Titans must be the celestials not first ones thats the problem huge disrespect to old lore. But ı like your theory 🙏
Another thing that they’ve failed to explain or even hint at now is, why is Azeroth so important if the Titans aren’t the big boys of the WoW universe. In the Maw intro Zavala says that death comes for the soul of our world. But why the hell should he care about Azeroth?
Ah yes lets just worf the old pantheon of the setting just to prop up the newest random story they spat out
Well but did you EVER think about that the 1st ones are no longer “alive”? And that they tasked the titans to do what they are doing just like they created the eternal ones(for a clear purpose)? You mentioned this at the end of the video and I agree with that.
Edit: + I feel like the 1st ones never wanted to be discovered. Thats why they ordered everything and named the titans the Gods of the Universe.
wows lore is bankrupt
You act like the Titans were knowingly ripping off the first ones, when in actuality it's just Blizzard running out of ideas and reusing the Titan concept..
Yes I dislike this retcon
@@jamiehughes5573 not really a retcon
Exactly. Isn't the entire Shadowlands lore like this though? A bunch of shit that rip-off from earlier lore presented as the originals in lore and making the original concepts the rip-offs. The writers are fucking disgusting.
yeah Blizzard just shit on the warcraft lore and Its all confusing now
Old lore was based on some real life mythology, thats what made it so good and believable. New lore is just all over the place and feels like a bootleg copy of Magic: The Gathering.
Then again, Gods are usually painted as arrogant and self-centered so it kind of makes sense.
And at an all-hands meeting, management said the 'zero tolerance' policy does not apply to Bobby Kotick.
What blizzard can do these past few years are just retcons and retcons...
They seems to not care about the story progress and just make a new one.
This video title is one of the best ones I've seen Lol.
I think it would be 1000 times better if the Titans etc were naturally appearing after the Universe was made and not designed by a higher being.
There's no reason to keep up with current WoW lore anyway since in a year or so it's going to be retconned anyway
sarg wasnt corrupted by the void lords, rather their corruption made him go mad and believe that in ending all life and letting it start anew is a better idea than risk a world soul be void corrupted
I don't even know what happened to Blizzard anymore.
How are they liars?For taking credit for their creations?They haven't say they created the cosmos or azeroth, they have ordered it a and created vrykuls, eartherns, titanforged etc.. no lie so far.
I know right? They keep saying the Titans are liars but they didn't even claim anything. They just defeated the Old Gods(which they did), created the Titan Forge(which they did), a lot of races were born from the Titan Forge(which is true), and more. They didn't lie to anything, they didn't even claim that they did this stuff.
The First Ones created the Automa and Constellars to watch over created things as they created World Souls to be born as Titans who will Order creation.... they created The Eternal Ones in the Shadowlands to forge an end with a selected Eternal One like Zovaal to judge the mortal souls while the Eternal Ones amongst themselves began to order the Shadowlands themselves being the most prominent of the afterlives and the Arbiter Zovaal would later betray them when he decided to undo things his creators made. If the First Ones truly are the top of all things then they would've made everything like the Hungering Void to act as a trash can to destroy what is purposeless or "broken" while they themselves devoured everything else in sight and grew hungrier as everything began to be perfected and they no longer were being fed so they looked elsewhere for resources and eventual plunged a piece of themselves in all directions after peering into the mortal universe so they could spread their influence. The Light, they could have been made by The First Ones but judging by the Naaru's designs... maybe the light was the test creation that led to the Titans being born to do Ordering properly. The Fel could also be the newer and improved destroyers or even on a lesser tier of destroying perhaps? We never really saw the first ruler of the Burning Legion, we only saw a "council" of Annihilan (a.k.a. Pit Lords) that fought for supremacy but that was because Sargeras killed their king prior before he found out they kept reincarnated in the Twisting Nether and long before he took control of it.
Seems pretty true!
I’d like to say the Titans are more like the middle management in the creation part, where they do smaller scale stuff while the bosses do larger stuff. Also at the same note the same middle management that likes to take credit for other people’s work.
This is the consequence of WOW nearly exhausting all its lore that was established back in Warcraft 3. I recall Blizzard themselves claiming this.
Doesn't help with the fact that they totally wasted potential settings and topics that could have been expansions on their own. Like Argus, and Naz'jatar, and Nya'lotha. The latter 2 could have been part of an expansion on their own.
Heck that could have been the definitive Old God expansion. With Naz'jatar, Nya'lotha, and Azjol'Nerub being zones/raids.
First the Naaru and now the Titans. Blizzard really is desperate to undermine their cosmic forces. At this rate, will Elune get the villain bat?
Hey she is literally on the fence right now and can go either way.
@@Doronsmovies You have a point. I think it might be due to retcons, though. At what point do we say "enough is enough, stop rewriting the story after it's published"?
What do you think are they really going to downscale the titans asjust First One impersonators or will something big about them be revealed soon? Also, I'd like to thank RIDGE for making this video possible, get your own wallet with a 10% discount with code 'DORON' ridge.com/doron
I honestly see it as a sort of a more benign case of a Demiurge situation; the Titans had no serious or concrete knowledge of the First Ones or the Automa (however that is spelled), and just did their own thing, unintentionally copying some of the actions of the First Ones in the process.
what people don't know is that the first ones are just puppets of the omega ones, but the omega ones are been manipulated by the originals ones, but the original are actually servers of the true masters, but the true master are just puppets of the infinities......
Should've just made the Titans and the First Ones separate pantheons not different echelons.
Next expansion: the first ones are action the creation of the first of first ones
Tfw emerald dream is a 3d printed Ardenweald and Zerith Mortis, Titans are 3d printed First Ones
At the end it will be just some shit like, "ye the first ones created all this pantheons, which are acting according to the basic instincts they implanted them and the jailer is the only one who somehow broke free and achieved free will blablabla". and now everyone does what they have to do, only the jailer doesnt anymore
I’m sorry I’m just confused…. I would’ve rather it just be the Titans than the first ones. It does open up some interesting storylines in the future but it’s just too confusing for me to keep up with. Great work though!
Thanks. I don't think it's just you haha everyone is confused.
Tbh so far I always thought Titans were equal to whatever is just above the Naaru cause the Naaru seemed to be at the same level as titan forged.
Just wondering, how many more times will Blizz deem it necessary to retcon every expansion?
Next xpac: the first ones are just role players and they were created by the almighty Jeff.
It might seem crazy.
But what if The First Ones are actually The Titans but they just use another word for them?
Like they see the cosmological chart from another angle.
I don't agree with the point that they are "impersonators/losers" since what they do is keep/create order. The first ones ordered the cosmos and the titans fulfill their part of the cycle, they make sure that wherever disorder exists, they bring order.
Woah doron i never expected you to look like that😂😂 was thinking some european dude wearing glasses
I don't think the Titans are made irrelevant now. I think it just goes to show, that the each cosmic planes are in competition with each other. The Titans are no doubt super powerful.
The Titans are Losers? Well at least they're the only ones who actually cared about Azeroth and it's inhabitants. They literally willing to imprison themselves together with Sargeras forever when they could just run away and recover after they were released. Sargeras wasn't even gonna use Azeroth to do scary things, he was just gonna destroy it to avoid anyone using it.
The Naruu(Light)? Those dudes forcing everyone.
The Eternal Ones(Afterlife)? Those guys are weak and stupid.
The Void Lords? Dunno
The First Ones? Gone, never even cared to stay.
WoW no longer has a proper director or lead writer. It is being run not by caretakers of a legacy,, but by the trust fund inheritors who either never played or did not care about the story. When the original writers and managers left, or were invited to leave, there was no proper hand off. You can see it in the abandoning of WoD midway and the utter garbage fire of BfA and the 'F your lore' of Shadowlands. (Legion's story was good because it was BEFORE WoD. It belongs in the Cata-Pandaria story arc. The idocy of the RNG legendary system and the infinite grind artifact is the mobile gaming philosophy of the New sitting on top of the old.)
dude, i pay every month so i dont have to watch ads. I dont want to see my favorite creators trying to sell me generic crap in poorly executed ads of their own making.
100% agree with you!
I have a nice speculation . The first ones created all but the void life death and light started fighting dor control and the first ones inprisoned them all . And left the titans to hold the balance of evrithing .
well its seems to me like the titans just followed up on their logic to make all the things they did. they have a builders/researchers mentality after all. and maybe they took some inspiration from the first ones but calling them imposters and loser roleplayers for adapting and giving a new spin to their predecessor idea's is like calling every guy that wrote a fantasy novel after lord of the rings an imposter. also that broker guy sounds biast himself.
The First Ones really fucked the lore. Every expansion is retcon after retcon. I mean they released 3 books with all the lore to start again on the right foot and the next expansion they retcon all that like what the fuck kind of move is that
Thats interesting but can somebody tell me how nerubians coppied Maldraxxus architecrure?
I wish WoW could have evolved more like Black Temple 2020 by Hurricane. That whole style of cinematic really captured what I liked/wanted about WoW.
I really don't like what shadowlands is doing to the lore. It doesn't feel like wow in a bad way
Can't wait for the reveal of the zero one, the one that great the first one
I dont know why are people still wasting time on this game. There are a lot of better games out there.
So I guess next expansion is suplexing titans.
Should've just made the Titans and the First Ones separate pantheons not different echelons.
These writers have no idea what’s going on, they just keep adding more nonsense to stave off the fact they have no explanation for anything.
But wait... There's more.
Soon blizzard will make some other outer beings more powerful than the first ones. ''The Firster Ones'' and then we will find out that ''The Firster Ones'' were just creations of ''The Developers'' and then well find out that ''The Developers'' were working for the ''Blizzard Director'' and who knows what they'll come up with next.
WoW starts to feel more like a fantasy history class instead of a fantasy novel with epica tales and characters.
Blizzard is so messed up. Their own lore is retconning other lore. So confusing. Just stop it blizzard
Is it really that bad if our "gods" have gods?
The question of "Who created the creator(s)?" has plagued the edges of religious philosophy for centuries if not millenia.
I like DarkMatter2525's version, where eventually you get to a human under a tree imagining the first creator(s) which created the next and the next and the...which made the humans, that invented the first one(s).
I conceptualized this idea in two manifestations of my D&D campaign. One, since, the Abyss has infinite layers, where the infinityth layer is just the orignial Prime Material (nothing is more chaotic evil than mortals imo) and the second is by creating a seperate timeloop of precisely 42 069 years where the God of Thieves (Dacendaran) steals the intellect of the BBEG and along with Chromie and some OC NPCs (that aren't worth naming, except for Billy Bob Bojenkins, the BBBeg :p teehee) seperate the mind, body and soul across time upon the Astral Planez the inner/outer planes and the Prime Material. The body being in a tower on the Prime Material of my cosmology.
Eh, it's an idiotic retcon. First Ones are just literally a copy of Titans by the new Blizzard writers.
Hence Blizzard tried to make First One "interesting"/"kewl", by making it seem Titans imitated the First Ones. Brokers come of in the book as increadibly haughty, despite not knowing even their own origins, and biased, ie them talking about "lesser magics", insulting shamanism, and claiming Life and Death are above all other forces - making the Broker's come of as arrogant, unreliable narrators (which was aparently partly the intention, but still).
It also seems a kinda late change in writting that First Ones are the "even bigger titans". Art director Ely Cannon described the Winter Queen as "something kind of right below a titan" and even directly compared her to titanic watchers and keepers, possibly hearing the original pitch for the Eternal Ones. The fact that can be easily reproduced and have prototypes, makes them even more smilar to Titanic Watchers. I think First Ones were originally Titans, or similar beings, not artifilated with Order, but Death and Life, created Eternal Ones.
Should've just made the Titans and the First Ones separate pantheons not different echelons.
@@Lasershadow Yup I agree. As I mentioned in my comment, that was possibly originally Blzzard's plan, but I think they wanted to "up the stakes".
I mean old gods are pretty strong and they can pretty much one shot them, so they are not weak at all
As far as I'm concerned, WoW ended with Cataclysm. Deathwing was as big as it should have gotten.
As with all types of lore like wow, marvel or dc you'll have a god a one above all they make the first one,too help create worlds and universes, who will in turn make the titans to look after and keep balance on these worlds and so on and so on till it comes down to our alts, don't make them any less powerful we could never defeat one with out the help of someone just as powerful
Hey as long as in 10.0 they second cataclysm the last six expansions or put us in a alternate timeline without so much stupid I don't care.
Why are Kids doing what there parents did before them? Are they losers? Are they bad roleplayers?
I hope for the Sake of WoW-"lore"-content creators, that the devs strip wow of all it's Story so there is only m+, raiding and pvp whats left. This way there is no Chance that anything can be called retcon anymore...
next expansion will tell us that there are bigger beings than the first ones like "the previous ones". Wow lore has gone to shit.
They really ruined their lore 😔...
dont agree titans had play there part unversel game good vs evil theny just there give life plenets frist 1 plan all along broke piece them self creat the light void titans and all oter forces unverces
For me after Legion is not exist. Titans still the our top force titans forge are protecters. I will not accept this nonsense first ones. They are not exist they are just a bad dream
Agreed. Legion left WoW Lore on a high note. Story ends there. These next ones are fanfiction for monies.
@@Lasershadow Absolutely after legion is non-canon lads
The first ones design realms, the titans build inside those realms, is it that hard for people to understand this?
First Ones have potential, as an Orcish Horde enthusiast I feel like the Nordic Titans don’t fit the Draenor/Orcish themes at all so the First progenitors are much more inclusive for all races.
but titans fit into the horde..
@@TheChristianWood not really, they fit alliance races way better
Ok, i have this theory that the first ones are actually the original titans, and the current pantheon are titans who woke up after the first ones orded the other realms.
You're pulling ideas out of your ass you might be qualified to work at Bliz
I dont think they lot less significant. I think we just feel that they are cuz there is an even bigger forcr then them. But but but listen what if the titans kinda of the material world eqivalent of the first ones. Maybe zereth mortis creates only information that get send out to the titans to create or something.
Just pretend everything bfa and shadowlands didnt exist/ noncanon!
And rewrite 🤣
BFA story wasn't actually bad... Shadowlands is