Festool MFT
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2018
- Hi everyone. It’s a rare week that slips by without a question about ‘that saw bench, that hinged rail, that cutting table’ - usually along the lines of ‘What is it? Did you make it? Where can I get one? How much is it? Have you done a video? ’ In short, it’s an MFT, nope, pretty much anywhere, bring plenty. And yes - here it is. Enjoy!
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Peter is my favorite craftsman on RUclips. Full stop.
"What an idiot I am " I've been searching the internet for Festool MFT 182 , just realised thats the video number !!!
Classic 😂👍👍
An excellent bit of kit. It's not until you see it demoed that you realise how many problems it solves.
Especially in a small workshop 👍
As Always Peter thanks for taking the time to share this . An Awesome Set up
Thanks! And yes, it works really well for me 👍
This is the first time I’ve tuned in and I really enjoyed your video. Really concise, clear and informative.
Thanks, and welcome! 👍
Hi Peter Excellent video, just what I was looking for. Many thanks, Phil
i never thought i would see that day come, but i want to get an mft and some festool machines in my shop ... damn you youtube and all of these amazings videos about festool !!!
😆😂👍👍 That day always comes... 😆
but honestly, i can only see benefits to sell most of my junk and go on a festool system , i have so much trouble to just do a cross cut or clamp ANYTHING anywhere in my shop , i hardly even take any pleasure in doing anything in it now because of things like this !
Sometimes it’s the ‘simplest’ things that are the hardest - straight cuts, square cuts etc.. etc..A Tracksaw is remarkably capable, even without an MFT... 👍👍
They are a corker of a table, and the versatility is quite amazing.
Good review, mate 👍
Cheers Bill! Love mine 👍
Looking forward to seeing this after your conversation on the podcast!
Never thought of using the rail to locate dominos/lamellos for fixed shelves/partitions. Thanks for the tip!
Pleasure. I can’t claim it as an original idea, but I’m ashamed to say I can’t remember where I found it! 😬👍
We have much in common...not easy making a living doing what we do. Being able to do what you enjoy for a living is the blessing. Keep working...
Thanks for the video, I was listening you to explain the MFT to Andy on the podcast and it was very hard to visualise what you were talking about, this video cleared that all up perfectly.
Glad to hear it, thanks! 👍👍
Just bought one! Cheapest price i could find new was Amazon! Next day free delivery on a sunday too! Hope it lives up to the hype!
Really useful demo on the combination of the Domino and MFT. Excellent
Thanks! 👍👍
Thank you so much.
I'm a hobbyist who stumbled on a used MFT1080 years ago. Picked it up for cheap and thought it was a pretty good bench but I didn't realize how useful it was until I had to help a friend and didn't have access to my MFT. Long story short, I sold my MFT1080 to my friend and got myself a new MFT/3 and could not be happier. It's just hard to explain how good this table really is to someone who has not tried it for themselves.
Yes, indeed - the ‘it’s just a top with holes in...’ thubg cones up a lot from folks who’ve never used one! 👍👍
Great squaring jig, thanx of sharing.
Pleasure - thanks for watching! 👍
Excellent. I need one.sometimes I need a tool but it's just a want rather than an actual need and while this is very much in the want catagory I'm afraid I'm seriously gonna need one of MFT workbenches. Thanks for posting this Peter. Well worth the wait.
Thanks! I put this video off do so long, too, lol! They’re a great bench. 👍
This'll be your most viewed video I bet..😁😁
Watching Andy (Gosforth Handyman) in "Making MDF Display Boxes & Display Plinth / Pedestal (Timelapse) [127]" I can see how much quicker the cutting out would be with your MFT. Listening to your discussion with him on the 'Measuring Up' Podcast and seeing his video I can see why he is so interested in your set up. Making those display boxes would have been so much faster with the MFT. Thanks Peter.
Yep. I know I sound a bit like a stuck record in response to the ‘use bench dogs and a top’ comments, but you can’t underestimate the benefits of a fence and flagstops for repetitive cuts. 👍👍
Aahh! It's the front catch bit on the stop that I didn't know about! I was wondering how it would stay perfectly square without something at the front - everything makes sense now! Awesome vid!! 👍👍👍
Cheers dude! You’re searching eBay right now, aren’t you?? 😂👍👍
There's one with a TS55 in York if someone wants to get started from scratch! 😂😂
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Great review
Thanks! 👍
Great idea on the jig for making sure the rail is square to the fence. I just bought the Anderson Plywood Layout Square for squaring mine. I kinda wish I had known your trick first.
The layout square’s still a good piece of kit though 👍
It sure is and it was a very reasonable price.
Great vid Peter I often wondered how your track was attached to the table and how you kept it squire for cutting now I know its all part of the same system , It has now put the idea in my head of buying a table my self ..keep the vids coming ...Oh and buy the way it was you and your vid and my m8 who got me using a track saw I been fitting kitchens for 20yrs and never used one so not wanting to wast a load of money in case it was no good for me and the work i do I bought the titan track saw after watching your vid and yes its been a light bulb moment I use the dam thing every other day ..No shit pardon the pun ! Its saved me loads of time and hart ache especially when working in in a high rise building and I needed to cut something that I would normally cut with a table saw ..I am now going for either the festool /Makita plunge saw as the weight of the titan is nearly twice the aforementioned saws Its one of them tools that I wouldn't be with out now and has taken the place of about 90% of the work I used to use the table saw for mint bit of kit
Thanks! I’m so pleased that the vids have been some help. Tracksaws are brilliant, but I know what you mean about the weight of the Titan! Cheers, Peter 👍👍
Heard you talking about the MFT on the latest Measuring Up episode only this morning, and thought "Hope the promised MFT video comes soon!". Definitely got my wish - another great vid, and it answered all my questions. Thanks Pete!
Make that 'Thanks Peter!'
Cheers Eddy! Or is that Ed. 🤔😂👍
I thought I was the only one with this kind of questions.
I'm glad you made time for us to share this kind of secrets with us.
Thanks Hans! 👍
How many other people searched "for sale" ads for a Festool MFT 1080 straight after watching this?! :D ... without success :(
Yeah, they don’t come up very often, sadly. 😕👍
Hi Peter, i really enjoy watching your vid's. I have just bought a second hand Festool MFT 1080 and am looking forward to using it. Your video of the Festool TS 55 gave me the confidence to buy one and I don't regret it in the least. A Festool Domino Joiner is the next logical purchase but I'd have to choose the right time to ask the wife. That said maybe I should just do it, after all, it's better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission! Stephen. NZ
Never thought of using the track for the Domino - brilliant. Great videos thanks for the hard work.
Thanks! I can’t take credit for that one, and shamefully can’t remember where I saw it. So useful though! 👍👍
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I stupidly forgot the password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me.
@Abdullah Andy Instablaster =)
@Maxton Asher thanks for your reply. I found the site on google and Im trying it out now.
I see it takes quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
@Maxton Asher It did the trick and I now got access to my account again. Im so happy!
Thanks so much, you saved my ass !
Peter, I'll be back home for good by this time next month. I bought the Parf Guide system from Axminster to make the Dave Stanton type MFT clone, (Something you could perhaps consider as an alternative replacement when the time comes!). Like you my workspace is limited and I have no room for a large expensive cabinet saw, so necessity dictates! Lovely vid as usual, Thanks!
Thanks! 👍
I was considering and mft 3 until I bought a Tso GRS-16 Guide Rail Square , genius piece of kit.
It’s a fine piece of kit, but a different animal to an MFT 👍
It must save a huge amount of time knowing that all your cuts will be at 90 degrees, otherwise it would take a lot of time having to set it up with a square each time you made a cut. Some clever people at Festool.
Yep. You can do it with a jig, but the MFT is very flexible 👍👍
You always have interesting stuff Peter and even though I will never own a Fesstool anything, I still enjoyed this one. The 96 mm centres have me intrigued. You said the plugs were 20 mm diameter I thought, so plugs at the first and fourth hole gives you a distance of 308 mm which is an unusual spacing and doesn't even translate to an exact 12 inches. However plugs at the first and sixth hole do give you exactly 500 mm, so maybe that is where Fesstool is coming from. Here in Oz we typically work off multiples or fractions of 300 mm so 300 mm, 450 mm and 600 mm are typical cuts. Thanks again, keep them coming. Bob
Thanks! Yeah, I had a chat with Andy on the podcast about this, and tbh I’m not at all sure where the ‘96mm centres ‘comes from, other than being a multiple of the ‘32mm system’. I turned up an old thread on Festool Owners Group about it, and other than an interesting explanation of how the 32mm system came about, there’s nothing definitive in why 96mm centres, other than to keep it ‘in the system’. Thread’s here :- festoolownersgroup.com/ask-festool/96-mm-mft-hole-spacing/
That’s exactly it. The 96mm lines up with ‘system 32’ which is a modern day standardisation for cabinet making. If I remember rightly, you’ll find the positive stops on the Domino are also set for making 32mm spacings or is that the Mafell Doweller?🤔
I don't have the answer exactly but the shelve hole jig by festool will give you 96mm centers.
Also as stated by Neil Snape, 32mm is the cabinet makers standard. This could come from the old inch and a quarter or it could be because if you half it you get 16 and the keep halving it you can go all the way down to 1 without a fraction. Numbers like this are very useful in many fields.
great video and I have never seen the Festool MFT before so looks like its ebay time take care mate
Thanks! 👍
Great 👍
Thanks!👍👍
If anyone is in Somerset area we have a 10x5 cnc so can make MFT tops on any size you require, mdf or birch ply. Plain or phenolic tops (best). Cheers
You know if you're going to spam the comments of an old video, at least put a link in there, lol! 🤷♂️
@@10MinuteWorkshop Hi Peter not trying to spam or hijack comments just letting people know if a replacement top is needed we can help as its quite tedious to make one manually. My email is on my 'about' section. Great content I enjoy watching. thanks
As Huey Lewis And The News said - It's Hip To Be Square...
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Hi Peter, for those among us lacking the financial strength to buy the Festool table Kreg now offers a more or less similar system ( the adaptive cutting system table top) for around 350$ (without the legs). ATB Marc - Belgium
US-only, AFAIK though 🤷♂️
Peter Millard Meanwhile I learned that shipment to Belgium is possible but would cost me another 220 euro's (203 £) so I declined..
Peter, as usual, an outstanding video. What makes the rail stay up when you flip it up?
Thanks! I bought mine direct - www.festoolproducts.com/tool-improvements-slop-stop-for-festool-mft-tables-and-rails.html; postage was nominal for such a small item. Normally the rail flips up and slightly over the 90 degrees, so it's just physics that holds it up; because mine's jammed up tight against a wall, I have a little hook that flips round to keep it in place. 👍
Good morning Peter. Just for your info- I recall you saying on one of your videos that if you were replacing your Mft you prefer the old style 1080 model rather than the MFT3. eBay have one for sale - looks almost mint condition. Collection from Ashford.
Regards
Thanks John! It's actually just the top that I'll be replacing, but I'll take a look anyway - can never have too many, right?? Cheers, Peter 👍
Nice one Peter - Is that part one of the tracksaw workshop?😂
No - but it’s coming... 😂👍
Just recently bought and received my first MFT3 table yesterday. Never knew they’ve been making these for such a long time. Pretty awesome.👍🏾😊 btw. How old is your table? If you don’t mind me asking.
Mine’s pretty ancient - I’ll have to check for the exact age, but it’s the previous generation MFT/1080 which I think was replaced in 2008 with the MFT/3 👍👍
@Peter Millard - Thank you Sir.😊
Hi Peter, another great video, thank you. The height of the rail above the bench seems to be fixed. What happens when you need to cut thicker or thinner material? Thinner will still cut of course but the splinter guard will not be in contact.
You need to watch the follow-on video 183! In short, the rail supporters are height adjustable, no problem. 👍
Hi Peter. I listened to the podcast to and was interested to hear about the slop stop. Is this something festool makes or some other independent company? I've had my mft3 since December and love it! Great value for the small shop!
Thanks Nic! Sorry, I forgot to put a link to the slop stop in the description, thanks for reminding me! I got mine through eBay, I think. It’s not an official Festool part, it’s a 3rd-party add-on. I’m sure a google search will find it 👍
Hey nice video. Thank you very much.
How do you deal with panels with diferent thickness? Is that a problem to you?
Do you have any ajustment to level up your saw guide or this is not a problem?
Thank you once more
Thanks! Yes, there is height adjustment for different thicknesses of material - see the follow-on video #183 👍👍
I got one of these after watching your channel. I've also removed the protractor (too bulky) and have two clamps on my fence, but when I tighten them down the front edge of the fence lifts from the work surface by a few mm. Does yours do the same?
Yes, it did, but there’s a workaround. Did you follow Paul Marcel’s (half-inch shy) video? I remember this happening, and finding the fix - I’ll dig it out later 👍
Is a good piece of kit, I assume the rail would only be compatible with the festool saw? Can you swap the rail with a different brand for instance?
It needs the t-track on the underside to be able to mount the rail and locate it, but no reason why you couldn’t fit a compatible e.g. Makita rail. Not that I’ve done it, you understand 🤔
Hi Peter. Great informative videos. As I'm off!!!! and the moment I have been binge watching and soaking up all the info Cheers. Now the question. I am going to make myself a MFT incorporated within and extend my existing work bench. Im going to use the UJK Parf by Peter Parfit to create the holes so they will be at 96 ctrs and will cover the extension and part of existing bench. That will save money. Next I will be buying a track saw and cant quite run to a Festool so may go with the Dewalt (corded) I will get to the question!!! Has the Dewalt track got the hinge system available as I can find anything about it or will it fit on the Festool hinges and receiving bracket, or would it be easier getting the Festool rail and hinge and ally extrusion as the Dewalt will fit that rail as you mentioned. As I am sure you have twigged I am trying to keep costs down but still want something that works properly!! Oh btw I am a chippy and a photographer spooky!!
Hi Graham, and thanks! The Parfitt jig works OK I’m told and only needs a drill, but it’s expensive (£200) unless you intend to make several tops, when MFT tops are available for ~£35, and other jigs for around the same money. Never used the DeWalt saw, but ‘played with’ one many times. Nice saw, but no, the hinged rail system is still a Festool patent AFAICT so nobody else currently offers this. The hinged system is available as a spare part, but as far as I know it only fits Festool rails, and Festool’s extrusion. If you want to keep costs down then consider going the rail dog route, or a rail square that will align with MFT holes, like the Benchdogs.co.uk setup I looked at recently. 5% discount with offer code “10minuteworkshop” btw. I’ll be putting together a mobile bench before too long using these components, so keep your eyes peeled for those videos, OK? Cheers, Peter
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for the reply Peter. You are dead right the Parfit jig is on the expensive side. There are 2 now one at £140 and the other (better at £180) For my use as my bench will be a non standard size (bigger) and shape I'm still leaning towards creating my own but am still thinking! Thanks for the info on the hinge and I will definitely take a look at the Benchdogs page.
@Peter Millard - Since you're also a mobile worker, you may find interesting this mobile "MFTC" cart. The plans are for sale for about 10 euros and you'll have to build it yourself (a very detailed PDF file with step by step explanations is provided with the SketchUp file). There's also a video demonstrating how it works. benchworks.be/en/projects/mf-tc-multifunction-tool-cart/
Thanks! I’ve followed Timothy’s builds for a while and bought the plans some time ago. Unfortunately the size of the MTFC rules this out for the kind of homes I work in. Great build though 👍
Hello Peter, Great Video. As always.
I also have a MFT1080. Love the way you shifted the fence backward to get more space. Tried to do this as well by using two of the original fence clamps. Unfortunately the fence gets slightly lifted up in front when locking the fence clamps.
Did you faced the same challenge, how did you fixed it?
Thanks! From memory, when you remove the fence clamps, there are two holes for the screw to fit into - it needs to be in the other one to stop the fence lift. Easier to see in the flesh than it is to describe! 👍👍
Peter, That works perfectly well. Yes there are two holes and second one allows the fence clamp to stabilize enough on the table top. Many thanks!!!
@@JensHermann Pleasure! Had to dredge that one up from the murky memory shoreline though! 😂👍
Great video👍How do you rate the Parf Guide system?
Thanks! I've never used it; folks who have seem to really like it, but it seems expensive for the odd one-off MFT top, considering that you can buy a fully CNC'd MFT top for about £30, or a jig to make your own for similar money. 🤷♂️
I think they are great but I just can’t justify the cost. I wonder if you could make the cross cut system on paulk bench.
Or maybe try and incorporate a hinged rail into a portable bench that might just be part of the Tracksaw Workshop series? 🤔😬
Another excellent video. I guess with this system though you can't adjust the height of the track? i.e once set up for 18mm you're committed to that? I guess the only way round would be to set at a higher cut depth and use packers / sacrificial board? I just ask as I'm about to buy some new kit and I'm deliberating as to wether my festool plunge saw will do all that I need with an mft set up, or do I go down the table saw route... great decisions... can't afford both at moment and don't have the space.
No, watch the follow-on video 183 - ruclips.net/video/RxcVY8ZR2fQ/видео.html - you can adjust the front & rear rail bearers for different thicknesses. Because I have mine up against a wall, it’s harder to adjust and as I mostly work with 18mm I do just use packers for thinner material. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks will do, I thought festool would have that one covered!
I'm sure you're fed up with questions about this MFT, but I can't help but ask as I can't notice it in video. How does that rail hinge compensate for different material heights and what's the rough area were it works? Is it some kind of "clicker" mechanism? Ah, never mind you've apparently covered this in follow up video. Thanks :)
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Hi Peter sorry to bother you I am working on my MFT with ooznest track around the table, I wanted to know what hinge did you use on your drop down track , cheers mate
Hi Dave. I have an actual MFT from Festool, so it’s the OEM fittings. You can get them as spare parts, but - shocker - they’re not cheap! 👍
Hi Peter - as ever - another great video! What is you reasoning behind prefering the MFT 1080 to the MFT/3? Many thanks!
Audiorack Company wondering the same thing
They’ve changed the fence/rail arrangement which reduces the crosscut capacity, and it’s generally geared more towards portability, which I don’t really want in a bench that size.
Hi Peter. Another useful video. You mention in the comments that you're just getting round to fitting a new top to your MFT. Is this the first replacement you've made? Did you buy a third party replacement?
Hi Terry, and thanks! Yes, this is still the original MFT top; I bought a replacement top from www.cncdesign.co.uk - great value, just need time to fit it!
Thanks Peter. The idea of routing out a grove for the regular cutting area is inspired! Must have kept yours in action for so long.
Thanks! It’s certainly helped, I’m sure 👍👍
Hi Peter, i wasnt sure just what route to take in terms of a workbench, toying with a sjoberg and although eye watering expensive they are simply to good to work on, the mft was always lingering in the back of my mind, my only discomfort was the wobble but as you have done a clever little solid stand/bench under the table sorts that, i did read about sagging going on with the MDF sheet, have you noticed anything with yours? thankyou for your video it's made me feel better about going the mft way, cheers, louie
There's a certain amount of sag over time, but it's easily braced-or-replaced, depending on where you are in the world; MFT tops are a commodity item here in the UK, less so elsewhere, unfortunately. HTH P
I don’t see you ever adjust the height of the rail. I have noticed you using layers of material to build up to prevent adjusting. Do you usually keep it at the 18 mm or 3/4?
I am interested in this too
Interested also.
Yes, because of where my MFT is, access to the height adjustment if the rail is restricted, so I tend to leave it set at 18mm and pack the table out from below with scrap 12 and 6mm 👍
Hi Pete I notice you have a black splitter guard on the track! where did you get that as usually the festool version is transparent?
Hi Malcolm. It’s a Makita splinter guard - I much prefer the black runner ones! 👍👍
Thanks Peter much appreciated. I know what I’m going to get soon. I’ve now done some research And it looks like the makita ones are Wwwaaaaaay cheaper and has good reviews 👍
Peter, who makes your blue-handled ratcheting clamps?
Peter Millard They're cheaper than Festool & Bessey, until you add shipping across the pond. Guess I'll be buying the Festool quick clamps after all
Does the table come with the , dogs, fences and a saw rail setup or are those added accessories?
Fence, rail etc... but not dogs. www.festool.co.uk/products/semi-stationary-work/multifunction-table/495315---mft3
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks! Second hand is where I'm at I think 😲
I know what you mean; just be aware they come up very rarely, and fetch pretty high prices. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop yeah I can imagine that being the case.
Hi mate, I’m setting up a small shop for hobby purposes. Been following you a while now and I fancy an MFT type bench with ts55 and dust collection like yours.
Question: if you could turn back time would you custom build an MFT style bench instead of the festool one? In terms of cost I recon you could do one as good if not better than buying one. Plus there’s a bit of wasted space at the back to allow access to the rail etc. My general view with things like that are you’re always better custom building to maximise use of space (and use of ££)
I’d custom build, but with the hinged rail as there’s nothing more convenient in the workshop. I may make one anyway, as I have a few ideas that would work well for me. 👍👍
Looks similar to the Triton TWX table
The TWX is more like the Festool CMS; the MFT’s a bit bigger all around, but similar concept, yes. 👍👍
And I thought the TWX was large for a one piece table hahaha. Planing on making a portable work bend like Charlie DIY did using two trestles ect
I have a small portable bench build coming up in the bit-too-distant future. 👍
You mentioned you prefer this 1080 over the newer MFT/3. Any chance you could take another 10 minutes and enumerate the reasons?
It’s purely to do with my usage and situation; with the MFT/3 Festool changed the way the fence was mounted, and you need a lot more space behind the the /3 than you do with the 1080. Because of where mine is in my workshop, an MFT/3 would mean some serious re-arrangement! So in conclusion, if for some reason I lost this 1080, I’d look for another. 👍
Would you consider using one of the UJK Tech Parf dog systems? (if you lost yours from fire or theft). Know that Badger Workshop has started using his....
I really like the hinged rail, fence and flag stops arrangement. I’ve tried just using a ‘top with holes’ and it works, but is nothing like as flexible as an MFT. IMHO, of course.
Get a tso GRS-16 Guide Rail Square and save a bundle
Is the drop down mechanism available as a stand-alone item? I like your video even though there are many others. Nice intro to the table.
Thanks! All the bits are available as spare parts, but not really priced in a way that makes sense, unfortunately. 😕
Hey peter, with all the great accessories for MFT style tops out now (dogs, and fence dogs, like the ones you have featured in your channel), is a festool MFT even worth it? Or just make one? Thanks!
Hi Jason. Honestly, yes - if I was in the market for one today, I’d make one. Actually, I still might! 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks for the feedback. Was just looking for a good solution for cross cutting, MFT makes the most sense for me. But seeing all these great accessories has me thinking. Now I need to see if I can find this stuff in the US. Thanks again!
It's a brilliant workbench but it costs more than the car I'm driving...
I’ll be making my own soon - will cost a lot less. 👍
Hi Peter, I'm still heavily trawling your tracksaw content - could you tell me ......... does the track self adjust for height/differing thicknesses of sheet material? i.e. How does it cut all thicknesses and still have the splinter strip and the rest of the rail in full contact with the surface? Thanks.
HI Stuart. Yes, either end of the rail is on a bracket that's adjustable. I did a follow-on video about it, video #183. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter, just watched it - so useful. You're a gent.
OK - stupid newbie question time. So, partly inspired by your vids, I bought a tracksaw - £100 Macallister from Screwfix. So far, so good, but I want to take it a stage further by mounting an MFT top on top of my existing worktop, then adding a router and perhaps a jig or guide or two. The aim is to build a built-in 18mm painted birch ply wardrobe. Anyway: I digress. The MFT tops that you see for £30: can I put that on a flat surface and away I go? Are the holes deep enough to hold dogs? Thanks!
Hiya. No such thing as a stupid newbie question - they’re all valid. Short answer yes, regular benchdogs rarely protrude below the surface. However, if you do it that way you won’t be able to get a clamp through it, or use eg rail dogs or any of the other varieties that do protrude below the surface. For a broader view in what I mean try the latest video - square cuts; MFT or Rail Square? Video 422 - ruclips.net/video/3C8XSWliOys/видео.html 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks very much. That means an MFT top on a simple frame of my own devising. No problem w that.
Hi Peter! Instead of trying to find a used MFT 1080, do you think it would be possible to build a frame to fit the tabletop using parts from Ooznest? Just wondering. Since they sell parts to build CNCs, I assume it might be possible. What do you think? Many thanks!
Hiya. Yes, but if you used the Ooznest profile you won’t be able to use eg the festool clamps as they don’t fit. But in principle, yes, absolutely. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter! Indeed, the V slots won't take the festoon clamps. BTW, another question: would you happen to know the part number for the slot stop you mention in the video (the one fitting in the rail groove?). I searched on the net, found a reference part in the Festoon owners group (US) and tried the reference here in Belgium. But that wasn't recognised. So perhaps a UK reference might work. In any case, many thanks for taking the time to reply to my questions, and being so reactive! Cheers!
Hiya. The slop-stop isn’t a Festool part, it’s from a third party; I bought mine direct from the US - www.festoolproducts.com/tool-improvements-slop-stop-for-festool-mft-tables-and-rails.html 👍👍
Peter, I'm just in the process of updating my bench. I have a homemade MFT style top, and I want to add the drop down rail. I'm interested in how far from the wall your top is i.e. how much clearance do you need for the rail hinge..? Looking forward to seeing the rest of your mobile MFT build too..;-)
Hi Simon. Been out of the workshop today, will take a look tomorrow. From memory though as long as the rail will swing up and down unimpeded, then you’re fine. But I’ll measure tomorrow👍
Peter Millard thanks Peter, I don't have the hinge yet so can't check. I'm just planning the location for the bench and want to to make sure I space it far enough away from the wall.
Festool MFT/3 $720 in the States.
Yeah - not cheap! 🤔
parf guide system $209
the green man Different animal. Great for straight cuts, but no fence, no flag stops. 🤔
true, but it allows flexibility in where you have your grid, eg in an assembly bench, even the price of a new mft top justifies its purchase, and if you are careful with setup, just as accurate , with jigs, it does the job.
i think festool does two things very well, the domino and the tracksaw, given their prices, everything else i can live without
Oh, sure - but you need to have a few tops in mind to justify the price, is all I was getting at, when you can get a replacement MFT top CNCd here for ~$40 equiv. 👍
is there an alternative system on the market for the track?
For the hinged rail, not as far as I know. And I’m just shooting a video now about the options for cross cuts! 👍👍
Hi Peter, to polish my skills I wish to make an mft myself. I was wondering what's the distance between edge and first line of holes? thanks
It can be whatever you want it to be if you're making your own; I don't own an OEM MFT any more, so couldn't tell you I'm sorry - but there are plenty of third-party tops available if you search for them, and I'm sure a search for MFT top dimensions would turn something up. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop many thanks for replying. bless. I listen to your channel carefully and I have learnt a lot from you. thanks
Hi Peter, strongly considering buying either an mft3 or domino, what would you recommend? I’m getting treatment at min for brain cancer, and lung and bone cancer and always wanted a bit of festool kit. Sad I know! But I’m being upbeat!!😊
Hi Barry. Wow, so sorry to hear that. FWIW I’ve never met anyone who’s bought a Domino and regretted it. The MFT/3 functionality can mostly be replicated with an MFT top & Benchdogs, so yeah, if I was looking to splurge - and why not - then I’d go Domino, before MFT. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop thanks for that Peter, yes tough times at min, I’m trying to set up a small workshop while I still have the time, basically to build little memento things( boxes and like) so the domino definitely be better for things like that? Would you recommend the parf guide system or something else? I love your content by the way!! You have given me something to watch over a tough year. Thanks again
Thanks Barry. Yes, Domino definitely for small boxes and things. If you want an MFT top at a standard size then honestly I’d just buy one from one of the usual suspects - much cheaper and quicker than trying to make your own. Parf guide system is good, but slow, and makes a slightly underside hole so only works well with the Parf dogs. If you want to use regular 20mm Benchdogs with a Parf top you need to buy the 20mm reamer they sell. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop aww ok great info! Thanks for that. I think I know what I’m looking for now lol. Sorry for annoying you this morning and keep up the great work! I’m enjoying watching your makeover at the minute 🙂 thanks again
Sorry peter, just to be sure do you mean get a standard festool mft table without all the rail attachments, or another brand of table? if so what brand? i understand about using the bench dogs and different attachments as you have made some excellent videos about that in the past, its just the table part confusing me- sorry chemo brain lol i already own a makita plunge saw and rail so im assuming all will be compatible? so sorry for taking up your time, last query i promise lol
I may be stating the bleedin' obvious here but hasn't anyone thought to make a template MFT jig with oversize holes to take a brass bush on a plunge route 20mm holes instead of re-making by hand or buying one?
Yes, there are many such jigs available. I link to them in the more recent MFT videos. There’s a playlist with them all in here btw - bit.ly/MFT-related 👍👍
You've never said why you don't like the MFT/3 Peter? Is it just the rear fence?
Hi Dave. A few things - the proprietary extrusion is an irritation, and yes, definitely the way the fence works; the height change - not relevant to my usage to be fair, but annoying for others trying to integrate a /3 into a /1080 workshop and just generally what seemed to be change for the sake of change, rather than improvement. But the way the fence attached would kill a /3 stone dead for my usage, as I don't have the space behind it. 👍
Can you fit a Titan Track on this mft ?
Technically yes, but not sure the Titan tracks are long enough. 🤷♂️👍
The holes for the benchdogs are 3/4 " instead of 20 mil though
Marc De Wilde not on my festool
But is it square?
Of course; I set it up that way. 👍🤷♂️
Hello there, I've seen several videos of yours where you use scrap material to make sure the rail is resting on proper material so I was wondering if you have seen this video where they essentially used a double hinge which not only makes the hinge take up less space but it allows you to set it at any height without scrap material.
I'd love to see you make one of these or even a better version.
Here's the video I'm talking about: ruclips.net/video/jHDYCYwGyos/видео.html
Thanks, yes I've seen that vid, very clever. The main reason I use scrap is because I have a fence that runs under my rail, so sometimes I need to pack out the workpiece. Different matter if my fence ended where the rail starts, but I prefer to have full support of the material. 👍
So what are you saying Peter ,its not really the "Silver Sharpie Signed Super Square " and all this time you ve been free handing it with the" Costalotofmoney "trac saw, now your gonna have to make one out of wood and a spring loaded hinge that can be used with a circular saw ,with adjustable height and 45 degree angled options ,in your spare time of corse ,cause well sleeps just over rated ,mind you John Heisz makes a very nice one using the outfeed table on his table saw for cross cutting square using the saw fence ,what do you think Peter
I think I like the idea of a spring-loaded hinge - maybe really crank it up when the saw’s playing up and shoot it across the workshop? Small ‘shop, so it wouldn’t take much. 😂👍
Spring hinge to either hold it down or hold it up ,"I hope you chose wisely "...lol ,i got my own problems today ,doing final pass on slab table and the router bit decided it was going to remove its self from the router ,so this artsy project is either going to go thru flating one more time or get one real big bowtie ...lol yea i am the CNC machine
syd ascott Oh wow - that’s got to but a dent in the day! Hope it was just the table that was damaged 🤞