Lidl Perlenbacher Pils Lager 4.8% ABV Vs Lidl Perlenbacher Pilsner Lager 4.5% ABV
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So sick of this trend. I got a multipack of Stella cans over Christmas and it’s down to something like 4.6% and tasted horrible even for Stella. It used to be called ‘wife beater’ back when it was 5.2%, it’s barely even wife insulter now.
Beck’s has gone down hill too and the new formulation of Leffe is wank.
It’s not happening because that’s what the market wants, it’s happening because we just accept it. Would be interesting to see if there’s any such changes to the beers in Germany and Belgium. I suspect not.
The British beer consuming public are being given a second rate imitation of what these beers used to be, apathetic mugs that we are.
If they lower it under 4.5% then Stella won't be a 'premium' (I use the term loosely) lager anymore...
It's the British government that introduced extra tax per ABV%. Most European countries don't have it, so there's no incentive for German beer producers or supermarkets to lower alcohol content.
"its barely even wife insulter now"
😂😂😂😂😂
Just vote with your feet!
If I need something low budget then I rarely buy any beer that doesn't come from Eastern Europe these days
It's gone from 'wife beater' to 'kid slapper'.😂
It used to be illegal to sell watered down beer. But that's precisely what it is!
Everything seems to get worse at the moment even the bloody beer. Hard to still have hope I feel like the government has it's boot on my neck all the time.
Fed up with all the suffocating nanny state nonsense. Even worse up here in Scotland with minimum pricing. Stop treating us like children.
Majestic wine are doing 10 Budvar for £18, and its in a box, and very fresh, so even though its in a green bottle 0 skunkage. They're also doing Paulaner Helles £21.60 for 12, which works out to £1.80 a bottle as well. I'd rather spend a little more and get a quality lager, for my fridge fillers.
Anyone looking for a decent lager, that hasn't (yet) suffered the dame fate of watering down, I strongly recommend Asda Champeneills french lager. 500ml bottles are £1.10 each and 5.5% still... for the time being at least.
Lowering the alcohol %, a race to the bottom, as we experience with most things nowdays.
Its a win / win for the retailers. Less alcohol content in manufacturing to sell to a buying public who are very apathetic, for the same price. Taking screw caps off with a bottle opener is 10 out of 10 from me though!
I'm very lucky to live in Vienna. The local beer is 5% - 5.3% and there is always a sale going on at one of the supermarket chains. Last week, the Hofer (Aldi in Austria) had Stiegl Goldbrau for buy 12, get 12 free. Works out 74 cents per .5 liter. This week PennyMarkt has the sale deal for Gosser Marzen
Nice. Stiegl beers are quite good!!!
Same mate. Love the beer here and the constant sales. Although I do miss the craft beer that was available in U.K. supermarkets. Mostly only Brewdog crap here in supermarkets.
I think I prefer the newer version....Seems like a perfect Pilsner to me. Refreshing...but plenty going on.... For instance I can only drink a couple bottles of Pilsner Urquell because the hoppiness becomes too dominant, but the canned stuff is less hoppy.
Northern Monk have started doing it too. Most notably they have changed their flagship faith in haze and dropped the ABV. They said it’s because of production costs and by dropping the ABV they don’t have to increase the price to the customer. Simon you need to be quick and go and fine some of the old one while you can and do a side by side of the old and new faith in haze.
Its a way of them making more money. I did an essay at college about it. When stella, becks and bud reduced there abv they doubled their profits.
Why is it that reducing the ABV saves them money in the production? Is it just because the brewing process is a bit quicker with less alcohol content?
@@pgl0897because you use less ingredients
@@pgl0897 the government charge tax on the abv. So it's cheaper to sell a 4.8% beer that it is to sell a 5.0% one. There was a case against Carling by the HMRC. Quote
Since 2012, the lager has been brewed at 3.7% ABV. But the beer is advertised as having an alcohol content of 4%.
Molson Coors has calculated its excise duty using the actual ABV of each batch of beer at that point in time.
That 0.3% difference was the £50m question, literally:
@@Rich.Aardvark interesting, thanks. Had no idea previously that higher alcohol content beverages were taxed at a higher rate. Makes sense tho I guess.
I don't trust the Lidl and Aldi beers anymore. They've gone downhill for whatever reason. I go with Krombacher, Warsteiner and Veltins if I see them. Solid German beers. Never a bad batch.
Is Steinhouser still good?
Less Abv.. less malt, less cost on malt, less cost on alc taxes..
Must admit every beer I buy now at supermarkets even ales just tastes the same now. Like its made in one big vat and put in different bottles with slightly different alcohol levels. I used to love bottled staropranen, I still remember the taste the current c r a p is like all the rest, stella, fosters , san miguel etc etc
I think you will find that Staropramen is now brewed in the UK! Hence that is why it now tastes like every other beer brewed in the UK (Most of the Supermarket choice to be fair!) I now check to make sure the beer I am buying is not brewed here as most of it's not good!
Krombacher, spaten and urquell brewed in Germany and Czech
@@roberthinscliff4491 I will be checking the labels from now on! Though the uk brewed bit is in tiny print sometimes and hard to read!
I heard that Fosters is brewed from the same base as 1664 now, just a lot weaker. What a shitshow macro beers have become. Thanks, nanny state!
@@f19ash That another drink I used to like a lot, now its just meh... As u say might as well be fosters! Grrrrr!
One of the worst ones for me in terms of drop off is Staropramen. Used to by my absolute favourite, now it's just tinny af. Won't go near it. We're going to run out of beers to actually drink at this rate
That’s because it’s now brewed in the UK, if you can find the big bottles I think they are still brewed by the Czechia’s
@@MLAM168 Yeah I found that out recently! All UK brewed beer is sub-par IMO!
I buy Czech beer from a Czech speciality shop now. Only Pilsner Urquell and Budvar are real Czech beers in the mainstream shops.
@@peterm7548 I'm not too keen on Urquell and they don't sell Budvar up in Shetland unfortunately. Might just start buying the good stuff online lol
Great review ,,, a few months ago Lidl had adds inside and out saying Perlenbcher was Britain's best selling supermarket beer - not for much longer 😄
Please take a look at Kronenbourg, it’s gone from 5% down to 4.6%!
It's also mostly glucose syrup 🤢
Finding a macro 5% lager/pilsner in the UK is like finding a 🦄.
They're all creeping that abv down for tax reasons, taste be damned.
Heineken is still 5%.
ABV is one thing but flavours are changed dramatically in altering it.
Pilsner Urquell is only 4.4% but it’s full of flavour, shows that ABV isn’t the only thing driving flavour.
I think Urquell has the perfect balance to taste ABV ratio.
Just find a Polish shop - easy peasy
@@MLAM168 quality ingredients n decent water methinks
@@tobyjackman3212 Yep got it in 1
You have to try Stiegl Hell, it's so good I'm gonna give my Sister a few for her birthday, as for the lower abv/change I have a feeling this and many more white labeled (european sold) booze is victim is a correlation of Irish minimum pricing laws and the quest of the supermarkets to hit that sweet spot with the whole mass market
It's because of how beer is taxed in the UK. Tax is based on alcohol content, so by reducing the alcohol content these companies can save millions whilst charging the same price or more.
Alcohol levies based on ABV % have increased, I think, so they're lowering the ABV. It's driven me to drinking lower ABV beers in pubs, but, if I'm totally honest, going down into the low 4%s and even ~3.5% cask ales has been a pleasant surprise. I was never a cask drinker but I'm enjoying them now, spending less and consuming less alcohol.
P.S. I noticed that the authorities didn't warn "watch out when you're in Germany, they sell beer by the half litre, not the pint, and so you're missing out on those extra 68ml!" The 10% difference in liquid volume accounts for the ABV difference.
I asked for a beer in Amsterdam and was offered a 'pint?' but it was just 500 ml
@@MrJohnQCitizen Many countries use the word pint or its translation as literally just a regular amount of beer. I don't think they were trying to rip you off if you were concerned about that :)
News just in. Countries that use metric system don't serve things in imperial units.
Come on pal.
@@chris9650 news? I've known that for years pal
@@chris9650 they shouldn't use the imperial system term 'pint' then should they. pal
Krombacher 660ml 3 for six quid at tesco’s , bolox to lidl …
Flavour is everything, but many people with the usual responsibilities/commitments are not able to neck lots of strong ales throughout the evenings. For me, the gold medals should go to the beers with sessionable strength, but full of flavour, punching above their weight. That's a real brewing challenge.
Good video, I noticed the change in quality straight away with this new type of perlinbacher, its not as good at all. I used to regularly buy the old stuff but can't say I'll be doing the same with the new beer.
I'll be off down to Lidl to look for the old ones now, though i have not had any for years. I did spot their Perlenbacher Wheat Beer at 5.5% for £6.99 for 6, and that's great and a bargain, really. Have you seen that? A limited stock offer.
I notice Sainsbury's are pushing 0.0% piss. My view is if the flavour is not affected then the ABV is not the main issue.
Home brewing is the answer buddy. Me and my brother are making beer 5% and up. And large corporations and regulations can kiss our a..e 😉
If it's brewed in the UK, then the alcohol reduction is solely because of tax - all breweries seem to be at it. A few years back, the Ringwood Brewery reduced the ABV of its Old Thumper considerably - the change in taste was noticed by all seasoned topers, and it lost a lot of its customers. Sadly, the Ringwood Brewery has now been taken over by Carlsberg/Marstons. Say no more!
It's the nanny state not directly by the brewers but perhaps a consequence of policies in different parts of the UK. It's more viable for them to lower the ABVs. The problem drunks are likely buying that cheap nasty white cider anyway.
The cans of perlenbacher have always been 4.5% as opposed to the bottled version next to them.. I've never understood this
To my mind, it's simply down to price. They don't want to keep putting the prices up so they dumb down the ABV instead to keep their competitive edge. It does suck though, I hear you!
I can see why but it usually affects the quality of the beer (making it worse in most cases)! I blame our "wonderful" Government for placing tax on ABV volume! It's not like we don't pay enough taxes already🤬
Has anyone been into Asda this week, they have around 8 new beers in, the few I tried was an IPA from Croatia which was excellent and a IPA from a farm brewery in Hampshire which I was a bit wary of as it contained lactose but was blown away by it.
Also the two beers you were reviewing, the new one says brewed in France, how can it be a German beer brewed in France.
As to the being told as you mentioned about the Government/media telling is about the strong beer in Germany, This is what happens when we are being led down the garden path being told what we can and can't do anymore, cameras in every high street, supermarkets watching every move we make. This started back in 2020 with the Convid allegedly arrived on our shores, we were told don't do this don't do that while our Chinese rulers held party's laughing at us all. a lot of the UK accepted this dictatorship style of the new UK and slowly they introduce more rules. Welcome to the UK in 2024 or as we know it now CCP UK
It is just another type of shrinkflation but instead of reducing the size they reduce the abv to save money on the malt bill. Other lower end beers are reducing the abv to drop down into the lower alcohol duty band that kicks in at 3.4%.
Perlenbacher used to be brewed according to the German purity law, it was really good but they changed it 11 years ago and so did the taste so I stopped buying it. Now that they have gone back to the old recipe I can enjoy it again. By the way, it's a screwtop so you didn't need a bottle opener.
2026 perlenbacher at 3.4% In other news Lancaster Bomber is now a mild.
Watching this supping a couple of Lidl Luminous Nights. They've changed the packaging and are now calling Kveik DIPA. Think it's the same as before, though may be a little more sour, which, if the case, I don't mind at all. Main thing is, rather than drop the ABV, it's still 7.4, they've put it up from 2.00 to 2.19, which I'd much rather they do. Absolutely love the stuff, and even at the new price, reckon it's a steal
Same with many beers, reduced abv in some, add a bit of glucose in others, still good beer but - but not quite as good as it was. Story of life tbh. But still appreciate the lidl and aldi bargain pilsners a refreshing treat and appreciated if of limited disposable income
A fine advert for anyone's local Polish shop
They have put the canned Perlenbacher which was 4.5% into the bottles now. I keep saying buy the decent British lagers brewed by good British breweries like Black Sheep 54degrees North or Camden Hells etc.
It’s mitigating cost increase, less about profit. Hardly surprising when you see how much things have increased in price
Saw the video and went to my local Lidl. Here they're selling the new 4.5%ABV in the old style bottles/cans.
I think this is a lot to do with minimum pricing based on ABV in Ireland and Scotland etc. It's too expensive for them to sell at the higher ABV
It's just in the UK, Ireland (the Republic) is a completely different country.....there is minimum pricing in Scotland and Wales, but the uk government introduced a ridiculous policy UK wide of charging tax according to ABV, then the ABV reductions started
@@tomwilliams7391I think he was talking about Northern Ireland...🤔
Aldi's Rheinbacher pilsner was reduced to 4.5% a couple of years ago. Here's the shocker though.......I buy a pack of Steinhauser for £5.00 every week. Yesterday, it was £5.29, so now from 83p a bottle to 88p a bottle
Kronenbourg have just done the same reduced it from 5% to 4.6% it's no where near as nice as the old 5% would be interested in your thoughts
You didn't point out that the new Perlenbacher is brewed in France.
The new Perlenbacher is still very good, although the lower ABV is a shame
Imagine also if Lidl did Perlenbacher in 660ml Bottles like Krombacher! Get on in Lidl haha
Considering the British public seem to not mind GLUCOSE SYRUP in beer then i guess we brought this on ourselves
So true
It's all very confusing Simon. Lidl also sell a 6pk of 330ml bottles of 'Perlenbacher Lager' which is 4.7%! Maybe pick them up and do a comparison?
I'm at the breaking point of refusing to buy Aldi or Lidl beer simply on the fact they are doing this based on profit rather than quality of delivery. What's the point in paying 1.49 per bottle of supermarket crafted lager vs Krombacher in a case out of Majestic wine for £2 per bottle? This country is an utter disgrace.
You have a point
Aldi Steinhauser is decent!
@@Martin-lp4yg The Rheinbacher is ok as well
Sick to death of decent lager getting the abv reduced. It's like drinking a bottle of wine with 11%abv against the normal 12•5% abv. There is simply no competition. The higher abv gives the drink the body.
Your ire should be with the government. Beer producers are totally snookered
All down to the duty put on abv % in the uk nice glass by the way 👍
Think we all should move to Germany and have done with the shite this country supplies.
I can't get Steinhauser in any of the 3 Aldis near me in Crewe, Cheshire. None available, not even name plates on shelves. I fear this is going to be altered too......😢
Yeah, same here in Norfolk. I think it’s gone 😢
@@jonhemming8035 Still in the Dereham branch. Saw it on Monday.
Combination of shrinkflation, government abv tax rules and people not willing to pay. Nothing new, Higher abv doesn't necessarily mean better but they often ruin it's flavour reducing the strength. Aldi do st Etienne lager. Many years ago it was 5.2% and a lovely drop. They moved it to 5% and quality took a hit but still drinkable. Moved it again to 4.8% and totally ruined imho. A very different beer. I used to buy crates of the stuff, haven't touched a can of it in years. If more people followed suit they wouldn't do it but afraid beer afficionados very much in the minority. It's all about price for most people 😞
yep...i know what u mean...the Perlenbacher weiss 6pack 5.5. at £8.25..sits on the shelf while the muppets buy stella shit...unreal...its laughable lololol...ideal...means I get to buy quality beer while they take all the drivel...like you say...they want cheap...but u can't get cheap strong lager here anymore...stupid tax laws on beer...so the quality sinks into the gutter...well done UK gov...
Oddly managed to pick up a bottle of 4.8% from my local Lidl yesterday. Maybe they found some old bottles knocking about!
Lidl here I come ! Old bottles pleassse !!! Thanks, Caroline Ireland 🇮🇪
Grolsh is one of my go tos in my local corner shops. They've gone for the double whammy of reducing the ABV from 4 to 3.4 and cans size from 500ml to 440ml but still the same price for 4 cans. Just tried the new one and they've seemed to have managed to maintain the aroma but the taste is just very watered down. At least it's still actually brewed in The Netherlands though, ill definitely stop buying it if it starts rolling out of Burton.
The local Lidl store were selling the old bottles alongside the cans of the new version but they are sold out now so will not buy anymore.
Another one bites the dust.
Give it a few years, and anything over 4% will be considered super strength lol.
They pay less tax
Only when it gets to 3.4%
I actually prefer 4.5% since I can drink more of it
Any one remember the new chocolate ration from the book 1984. They clamed it had increased or improved when rearly it had decreased in size. In that world no one dared speak about it. it’s going that way here. It maddens me as just a few miles away across the sea they have all the good beers.
Increased costs in production and increased costs in importing from the EU means either the ABV goes down or the price goes up.
yep...well done brexit!
ABV gov tax is the reason
What a shame i didnt expect Lidl to go down that route. Is it tax reasons or government pressure or both 🧐. I tend to opt for Polish lagers these days as there the only ones that havent been watered down for the British market.
Perła Chmielowa is a 6% pilsner at £1.49 a bottle in my local Polish shop. They'll do you a case of 20 for £25 if you ask nicely. A fine beer at a great price. The shrinkflation by the supermarkets, big beer companies, and government is purely down to greed. Shame on the lot of them. W⚓️s
It’s not the first time either. I stopped drinking it when it went from being brewed in Germany to being brewed in France. It just didn’t taste as good.
I had to move some of my beers around last night to get at something behind them and in doing so noticed I had two cans of Perlenbacher. So I decided to check on these cans that I must have bought around January time. Sad to say, they were both 4.5% ABV. So this has been going on for some time.
I'd guess the ABV has been reduced due to the minimal alcohol per unit tax and inflation. They will have reduced the ABV to maintain the price at a guess. Same thing with wine and more are lower ABV than they used to be
Yes it is sad, because where will it end, most beers under 3.5 % ? You'll never get that ' merry ' feeling.
Why does the UK have to have lower ABV beers compared to other countries? Leffe in France and Spain is still. 6.6%
Great review. I'll have to try the new Perlenbacher
Because UK drinkers take the lower stuff. If they stopped buying they would stop messing about with things.
This is just rubbish! It's one of the worst periods for beer in the uk in recent times..... after COVID, I'd have thought the government would have tried to support brewers and the pub industry, but they did the complete opposite!
People in continental Europe must be laughing at British beer...
I agree there is a worrying trend against alcohol, it's about where smoking was in about 1990....so I imagine things are going to get increasingly restrictive from around 2050...
Maybe the new Abv is a more accurate percentage? Before you can have some wiggle room? And call it the higher percentage
The alcohol percentages will need to reduce over the next 10 years as new taxation levels will be applied. Alcohol and cigarettes will used to help fund NHS.
I still like perlanbacher even st 4.5 abv asda have lowered the abv of there own brand pilsner from 5% to 4.6% its not as good its a shame this keeps happening
Yeah, there was a period at my nearest Asda where they didn't have their Pilsner on the shelf so I knew something was afoot. Still buy the 'new' 4.6% occasionally but nowhere near as much as I used to when it was 5%. Sad times.
Sorry for being late to the party, but I see the Perlenbacher 500ml bottles and cans have dropped to 4.5% but the 330ml bottle is at 4.7%
Any chance of comparing the two?
In Sweden it’s 3.5%…
Most of the beer I drink at home is on the PerfectDraft, so much of the ABV is the same since the German / Belgian beers are mostly all imported.
However, one of my favourites is Kronenbourg 1664. Ive just stockpiled loads of the 5% stuff because they've rebranded and it's now 4.6% ABV. I'll try it eventually, I suppose - but trying to get the last of the 5% stock everywhere I see it for now!
As for Amstel, the Dutch brew is FAR superior to the 4.1% stuff we get here - so I bought a Sub to enjoy the "proper" stuff at home, as it's still the Dutch brew and is 5%
Some people are blaming the tax system for the reduction in ABV levels but this is somewhat simplistic. Alcoholic drinks, including beer, have always been taxed based on their alcohol content, the previous tax regime for beer being £19.08 per alcohol % per hectolitre (last revised 13th March 2017). So the higher the ABV the higher the duty i.e the tax incentive to reduce ABV has always been there.
The new rates effective since 1st August 2023 have introduced banding (which has got people hot under the collar) and are now (% per hectolitre);
0-1.2 % = £0.00
1.3-3.4 % = £9.27 (£8.42 if on draught)
3.5-8.4 % = £21.01 (£19.08 if on draught, note this is the same as the old rate)
8.5-22 % = £28.50
>22 % = £31.64
So if we compare tax before and after for a 500ml bottle (if my maths is correct and rounding to the nearest penny).
3.4 % old 32p, new 16p
4 % old 38p, new 42p
5 % old 48p, new 53p
6 % old 57p, new 63p
So yes it is now marginally more advantageous under the new system for the brewer to reduce alcohol content but for anyone to think this is something new is incorrect. All the recent high profile examples of beers reducing their ABV’s are within the 3.5-8.4 % band so it’s not the case that brewers are trying to get their beer into a lower band, they are simply trying to marginally reduce their tax. Personally I think what brewers are doing sucks !
Bear in mind that there was quite a lot of inflation between the old and new duty rates quoted above, but on the other hand VAT is applied after the duty, so VAT on beer is a tax on a tax.
Knowing the tax bands helps to understand how Aldi for example can afford to sell a 500ml bottle of Banks’s Amber Ale at 99p, since only 16p is tax as it’s a watery 3.4 % ABV.
Yeah it’s mostly about the amount of tax they pay which is less for a lower %ABV certainly the larger brewery’s producing macro beers will keep lowering these if they make more money doing so
Though I suppose you have to ask the question why the government keeps offering tax breaks for lower abv beers ?
On Another note, by the looks of things Aldi have also discontinued there incredible Rossini Gran Riserva Birra 660ml, I was really in the mood for it tonight after a long day too.
Mate there's also another perlenbacher in Lidl 6 330ml bottles and it's 4.7% give that a go
Such a shame! When it was 4.8% and £1.25 a bottle it was a good deal, not so sure now. I would rather spend the little bit extra and buy Warsteiner or krombacher.
They are all at it. I used to the aldi fake peroni gran reserva. Not any more tastes like shit now. I now get the real stuff at Morrisons 4 for 3 deal. I just hope to god peroni never change the recipe for their reserva. One of the best beers you could hope to drink.
Aren't the perlenbacher cans already 4.5%?
3 years ago, I could buy base malt in bulk for $.79 a pound shipped. Now the lowest price is $1.59/lb . 😢 HUGE jump.
drank the new one w/out noticing at all - had to look at an empty tin from the bin to check
Says a lot about the change in flavour vs perception then.
The old version was to my taste buds at least - a very nice beer.
Hi Simon love your videos , I'm struggling with my beer at the moment when I drink lager it kills my stomach so only thing I can drink is stout is there something else on the market that isn't as highly carbonated as lager
Vodka
The reduced ABV has been happening for years and it feels as if the beer world is taking us for a ride
Man I love you're videos . Steinhauser from Aldi is top drawer. I knew I was right, then I watched your video.. nowt better
It’s not in stock recently
Turning Point brewery Pilsner i had at weekend was bloody lovely.
First thought is, is this for the British market only where alcohol rates and taxes will make a difference, but I've looked at them and can't work it out. Second thought, has someone taken over the brewing and the public have asked for a different taste, less bitter, for example? Do they now shorten the brewing time making less alcohol and leaving more sugars in the malt. They've done it for a reason, but if you don;t like it, find another one you do like. Feldshloscshen (spelling?) for me any day and far cheaper from Asda.
It’s also happening with Wine now, all now around 10-11 %😮
Question. I have the same hoffmiester beer glass Si has. I swear the etching at the bottom has just disappeared, is that actually a thing?? It's not been in the dish washer
The worst was when Aldi absolutely ruined rhinebacher pilsners with a lower abv and new recipe a few years ago.
Their doing the same think here as in Scotland only in a more gradual crafty way...
I'm an English guy been living in Portugal for almost 10 years. Portuguese bars ONLY have super bock or sagers and I can't stand either. They have to be so cold you can't really taste them to be enjoyed and they give me terrible hangovers, not to mention they taste almost identical. The super markets only stock carling and Heineken and don't have much else other then different varieties of the big two. Lidl is the only super market that sells clean beer and it's perlenbacher. No variations, the same old pils but thank the Lord that it exists here.
Ive about had nough of beer having their abv been reduced...it's right pissing me off..the latest is Kronenbourg...
All comes down to the bean counters. Taxation and money I dare say. They’ll have researched this and deemed this is a tolerable level for consumers (your average consumer) to drop the AVB by.
Hi Simon, bought new and old today for a taste test. Are you going to try the Perlenbacher wheat beer they have in. 5.5% and £1.16 a bottle
Back to Aldi Pils it is then!
Your hair has morphed into a peaked cap 😀