After this Pug Ara Kara +10 he is desperate for any help he can find...
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That UI mention about deleting personal frame and just tying it to party frames gave me a bit of a cook, will post the results in discord.
As for the pulls themselves... they straight up panicked me, and I was sitting on LS blessing button way too long. I've since taken steps to rapidly NOT do that. Can't speak for how optimal yet, but that error is a high priority target.
The bubble available death, I can't say anything other than bad because panic.
At least, I'm glad I didn't compound the issue on the baseline bad approach >.
While I personally prefer the option Metro mentioned, you also have these options:
- remove your own hp bar from the party ui (presumably Cell) and align the other 4 bars naturally to your own hp bar (works with mouse-over macros but not with click casting)
- add your own HP bar as a bar into your WA group (typically not preferred for healers)
My suggestion (aside from what was already mentioned here) would be to identify for yourself what you are looking at and what information you are not frequently looking at but would actually need or like to know.
A great example is, someone that looks at party frames and enemy name plates a lot might struggle to know what CD is up, how much holy power they have or even how many holy shock charges they have.
A good way to work with that is to get one of the mouse cursor weak auras, have things that are essential to your normal rotation included in it (i.e. maybe Holy Power and Holy shock) and align important CDs and/or "oh shit" buttons next to the party frame.
Whenever things go really bad and you panic is when you either waste your time by searching for things or are cluelessly stuck to where you always look at - so help your future panic-self and give yourself the information that you need the most.
Cool well I hope this helped and if you have any further questions lemme know! Gonna be a lot of great comments coming in too over the next day so I hope they are all helpful!
are you mouseover healing? its looked like you were clicking each frame then healing then clicking a new frame?
I recommend looking into click casting and mouseovers to reduce the number of inputs you have to use to cast a heal. For example, I have have Holy Shock set to my left click button, so instead of my left clicks targeting a player it will cast holy shock instead. This is especially important for a holy paladin because you don't want to have to retarget an enemy in order to cast crusader strike and judgement, and it will help you to keep a priority mob targeted if there's a dangerous cast that needs to be interrupted. You used to have to use an addon like Clique in order to do this, but Blizzard added functionality into the base UI recently in Options - Keybindings.
Healing frames on the dominant handside is spot on. My heal frames are always off to the right (but not too far off) so I can see under my feet. I'm also right handed
Good... god... the wood paneling... the faux stone finish... the heavy texture drop ceiling... the wicker ceiling fan... the curtain doorway... the pleated lampshade... and I'm betting the carpet is pea-green.
@@capslockcapable1719 it's red.
@@heythereguysitsMetro Honestly looks hella cosy
Meh ... thats normal in the South. You should see my kitchen......bleh. Also in the South a ceiling fan is mandatory. If you dont have a ceiling fan, you need a box fan. I actually bring a small box fan in my luggage if I travel.
Two quick Visual clarity recommendations from a long-time healer.
1) Turn off the "floating" damage and healing text. It needless clutters your view of the ground for dodging things.
2) You should enable sort sort of Bar style for "Healing Absorb" on the target. This is essential for managing this affix. When the affix spawns (if you have no help) you instantly dispel one person (I usually hit myself), the start healing. Other players have passive natural healing so you need to know, relatively, of the 4 people left who still have the affix heal the 3 people with the smallest amount of healing absorb remaining. Your dispel will come off CD with about 2 seconds left, and you dispel that last big absorb. I usually don't dispel the tank bc they often can naturally passively heal it off themselves, unless of course there is a mechanic coming up that will kill them. But ALL this logic starts with a quick and clear visual representation of *how much* absorb is left on each person at any given moment.
That floating healing and damage text drives me nuts. That was gone in Cata....
Damn, that tank trolled that healer hard. Wtf was he thinking? 😂 feel bad for this guy, it isn’t his fault as you said.
@@dannyd806 ya rough situation there.
The tank played so bad there that it's kinda impossible to critique this healer. Not saying they played fantastic, but when the tank is pulling the most dangerous mob in the dungeon with 500 other mobs, not much a healer can do.
I think you should have this healer either show a key that got completed but not timed, or a key that started going well and went pretty far but got disbanded so they can actually get some critique.
@@cvilla1944 ya agreed.
the targeting someone before healing and missing globals to movement (even tho pala is like 80% instant casts) are really limiting his healing . Also noticed his 1st death was cause he spammed Word of Glory for 2 sec even though he was missing holy power.
@@LeeMes1 agreed for sure.
Exactly this, he also could have stood behind this mob instead of right where the aoe casts - seems like he is target fixating on the health bars and not considering positioning as much as they could be
This poor person isn't utilizing any of their cooldowns! AC lightsmith is a very aggressive build. Weapons and wings should essentially be used on cooldown, and it works like a melee disc priest with your damage healing the group. I don't think this player understands how the build works at all.
Great advice overall, I'll be using some of these UI suggestions myself!
@@Serena-xr4dc gotcha well I certainly don't either haha
I am HYPER-focusing on using lightsmith blessings on cooldown at the moment
@@NeedsMorePants Use your Bulwark like you would use sac. Use your armaments on your biggest pumper. Blessing of summer + armament on your big pumper turns him into a mini aoe heal bot. The higher you go in keys the more you might need to sac/bulwark tanks on scary pulls. If you want some more UI/Clarity advice, just get rid of floating healing text, and dmg text. I disable healing numbers entirely using a console commant but you can also use advanced interface options. I use an addon called Nameplate scrolling combat text to clean up damage numbers by adding a small hits filter of 300k.
That's an interesting point with the party frames not on the dominant hand side.. I'm right handed, but left eye dominant, so now that you mention it I do rest my cursor on the right side of the screen, but notice things popping up more on the left.. that will be fun to be conscious of and try to fix
@@robertjohnson375 cool glad that could help some one!
For me whats missing from this guy is just persistence. The moment you see that your pug teammates are not completing the key for whatever reason, just quit and go next. Take the knowledge out from that run and go to the next one. Sometimes the group is just bad and you gotta deal with it. However you need to do more keys, you will be impressed by the good groups you might find. Don't just break one key and give up, the pug world is wild and sometimes you will have a good group, sometimes not.
That's why i love metro. Finish, finish +1 or +2 or fail. Metro is searching for the next opportunity to shine. No matter the drama the key before. Kinda jealous. I'm kinda demoralized after one or two disaster keys :(
100%. This is what's so awesome about playing healer or tank. You WILL get invited to basically everything. Depleting a key or disbanding a group is nothing to you, you just requeue and go next and you can easily learn from your mistakes from key to key, especially if you're recording and reviewing yourself.
@@VideosSobreHabbo great advice there! Embrace the chaos and you will thrive.
There are Cursor Weakauras out there that you could probably customize for your own spells. Basically it is just a visual Weak Aura that has like your main CDs or whatever you want to track, on your cursor and might be interesting to get you in the habit of knowing EXACTLY when they are available and as a visual reminder to USE them (including defensives).
I'm going to echo that the biggest part of healing feels like really knowing what is coming and making sure you have a plan for those worst case scenarios. Because, in pugs, you will see those worst case scenarios lol
@@xzalean well said, fully agreed!
As someone who timed all 13s are Holy Paladin (youtube me), here my advice from the footage:
Find another tank. That bear is thinking he's playing with TGP players.
UI isn't the issue, it's not really different from mine.
@@ZallKlos you don't think it's bad to have the frames so far from the center?
@@heythereguysitsMetro UI is very personal thing. What works for one may not work for another. From that note, I did move my party frames closer to center.
But from the footage, UI isn't the issue. Tank is TGP roleplaying.
@ZallKlos oh ya absolutely no issue with the UI here. Sadly not much to help with in this run though hahah
I main healer. 50% pug, 50% with my static. On the UI thing, it’s very personal, not super something to fixate on. This key is so troll, I wish there was another key! Super bad pulls by tank, this ain’t mdi and don’t set you up for success. Biggest thing for healers this xpac in pugs is boss and ability timers so you can prep your cds and heals. And practice, practice and practice. Learn when to use your defensive cds, protect yourself! And then you can track defensive cds and spot heal, protect the squishes. Of course a key is a team effort, so despite what people say… ya can’t heal stupidity too 🤷♀️
@@YoWazzup303 well said!
I stopped even tracking Defensives on Team (with OmniCD). As Shaman and MW i dont have externals (yeah, maybe SLT and Cocoon), so i dont care. If people dont have them or cant pot, they usually just die in higher keys anyways. And knowing that they have Defensives, may trick you into thinking that they will use it. Which often is not the case. I track it on Party frames so i see who is good to go during AOE, but i dont take a look before shit happens. No time for that anyway.
@@MrVaeron gotcha if you're a healer without external cds but this is advice for the holy pally who in my mind has one of the best toolkits for externals so it will definitely benefit everyone. i even got our static's ret pally to start using omnicd for this reason.
Alright I'll do my best here for him. Holy pally main here for 5 seasons now, Nazzgal-Illidan if you want to see my RIO and gear/talents. Like Metro said, this tank made it very difficult for you to really succeed as a healer, but, i noticed somethings that you can improve on as an Hpal.
1. Out the gate you need to start cycling your blessing of summer. Start that as soon as you can. The goal is to get to blessing of spring which is a great healing cooldown. Use it on yourself for more Hps output.
2. Blessing of sacrifice, correct me if im wrong but i was watching the WA and I didn't see it get used once. There were a few moments where that could have saved someone for sure.
3. Holy Bulwark/Sacred Weapon. Again i could be wrong but it did not look like you pressed it. I watched it a few times and one of them i just stared at the ability the whole time and didnt see it change to a weapon. You're losing a lot of DR/healing and damage output just sitting on those.
4. Lay on Hands. I think there is this misconception the LOH is this big, last minute, hail Mary cooldown that needs to be used in as soon as a player is about to die. You get little value out of this cooldown when you approach it that way. If you try to LOH somebody on the brink of death, more often then not you're not going to get them in time. If someone is getting the piss beat out of them, use LOH to get them to full. You are running Tyrions devotion so the CDR will kick in. You have it for a reason, use it.
5. I know that 1st pull was scuffed but I 100% believe you could have saved it if you would have popped wings earlier in the pull. AC/Lightsmith calls for the very aggressive use of wings, basically on CD. Its cooldown being 1m allows you to alternate it with divine toll so you always have something ready to use.
6. As far as the affix goes, its trash but there are ways to, well, I would say manage it as an Hpal. First get a dispel off immediately. As soon as you hear her voice get ready to remove it from someone. Prio people who cannot do it themselves and people who are dying. The one exception to this is if you know there is another DOT coming. At that point you can hold for a sec and remove both with one dispel.
I won't beat a dead horse, like Metro said, you died with wings up. We have all done it, myself included. Laugh and move on.
Your gameplay will improve with time and experience. Don't let one bad key derail your progress. Pugging past 10 as a healer is possible, you just have to keep going. Identify your mistakes and fix them. Remember that good healers are born through trauma lol. I hope this helps you and i hope you keep playing Hpal because it is very fun and rewarding when you are nailing it. Good luck out there.
@@danoizedafunk753 thanks for the contribution!
I always bubble, SAC someone, BOP someone, and LOH someone(if necessary) for that mini bosses first cast. You can basically nullify that first cast with your utility alone.
If you know when and what happens you can. "New" tanks are usually overwhelmed with "what's next".
@@SkimNms ya very strong kit there.
You went from paladin main to death knight main 😅 very Arthas of you
@@ericv738 absolutely. Love how the two specs are intertwined.
He can't target team mates to heal. When you're in wings you heal through doing damage. Then he's targeting his team mates aka he can't use crusader strike to top the team. Maybe consider swapping to caster build
Ya agreed.
Should use click-casting or mouse over for sure, especially as holy pally since you need to be targeting mobs to crusader strike. Targeting then healing adds an extra step everytime you heal and that can easily overwhelm and cause panic
@@joshphilbs98 good point about crusader strike.
Ive healed for 20 years now. I always wondered why ive always liked my party/raid frames on the left
@@batmanjones655 oh ya well whatever works!
Not to get super critical of the H-pal, but playing Lightsmith and not using your armaments, SaC, BoP or Lay on Hands seems a bit odd to me. Sure a lot to deal with, but I do think using some of those key CDs, alot more would be beneficial to the healer, in every situation regardless of how terrible these pulls look to be. Totally agree that a lot of the first 2 pulls shown here are not on the healer though.
Ya agreed the CDs are languishing.
Not that it's the focus of the video, but ironically "kintsugi" (the guild name) is the name for the art of highlighting imperfections in e.g. pottery with gold paint. So you break a bowl, and you glue it back together but highlight the broken nature of the piece to show things can still be useful even when broken. Rather nice concept for a guild name, though possibly also a bit of a self own, implying you've been broken once or twice...
@@pamelajacosqui oh ya that's cool thanks for explaining that!
That first pull from the tank was not the one
@@YusufKhan-dh5yq not at all.
Unrelated, i cant find any reasons why wowopio is currently unable to review new logs. I hope they figure it out for s2 but i was really hoping to see how my s1 played out on my lock
@@thechartech video on that soon.
Tanks been watching too many high keys as guardian. A lot of them pull to the mini boss. Rarely does it work in a PUG.
There's a way to do it where you pre-incarn, pop barkskin, gather mobs, speed cd, then charge into miniboss. The dps and healer have to be on point though with kicking and cc so the castor mobs dont destroy the group.
@@Icarus-l8z Problem with a non paladin tank mostly is the castermob is starting to drool, grin and foam from the mouth while happily freecasting somewhere far from reach and zapps one of the npcs in your group after the other. And nobody cares to interrupt it even once. With a paladin tank you just throw your shield in the general area and a couple of seconds later the cast mob is in meelee.
@@guypoulin6929 ya just a bad idea in pugs for sure.
@@peterpain6625 hahaha literally
seems the biggest issue in this one is the tank lol, but one thing i can suggest is mouseover/click casting. looks like he targets each person then heals, slightly faster if you don't have to change target and lets you keep a mob targeted for interrupts/dps etc
I will second this and say that Cell has click-casting included (even spec specific).
This is so easy to do, frees up so many keybinds and cognitive load and very easy to do with Cell.
My personal preference is even to work with mouse clicks +modifiers. i.e. Ctrl + all mouse clicks are all different heals and shift + all mouse clicks is dispel and DRs and so on.
Any type of logic or keybind is similar effort to get used to but having a kind of logic to it enables you to easily switch between different healers without much needing to relearn your hotkeys.
Absolutely agreed there.
Yeah as someone who doesn't really go above +11 keys, in pugs that big first pull is always dangerous if you aren't mobile enough to ensure it happens quickly and don't have enough coordination to make sure all of the mobs are kicked (especially the fear). They aren't particularly dangerous alone but what happens 9/10 times is that you just have a bunch of spread out casters spamming bolts, a wasted lust, and everything dying super slowly. It should just be a no-go in pugs imo.
What I do instead is pulling conservative on the first platform, but then on the 2nd minoboss platform I pull every single mob *except* for the miniboss, as almost every single mob is just one of those exploding spiders that are very easy to avoid, and like two low impact casters that are very easy to interrupt and move with the group. Then I pull the miniboss after all of that is dead and move to the third platform. It takes care of so much count in a single big pull while ensuring that the boss platform is clear, + it's super fun for the dps instead of just really annoying for the dps and healer.
Its a bullshit pull, that is completly unnecessary. More often than not, 2 people die and you are time negative anway. Just go for half and then chain into boss. Its so messy and hectic thats its absolutely not worth doing it on any key level beyond +10 in a pug.
Agreed, totally not needed. Not sure why it's become such a common thing
lol that poor healer thinking its somehow on him to improve when the tank does that deranged pull,me and the people i do 10's with for weekly are all 640 ilvl and we never do that pull in arakara,doing that in a pug is insane even in a 10
@@deenman23 absolutely agree.
i've healed 10s and 11s as a holy pally, and i will say sometimes the bracket can be worse than 12s because of the way the affixes interact with certain mechanics
that aside, i notice you dont really cast ur holy armament or blessing of summer much at all, that really makes them wasted talents. If, like you said, you're panicking, try going herald instead of LS. I alternate between the two and I can say both are viable at this range of keys
as for blessing of summer/seasons, i find it good to macro it to cast @player and slap it on holy shock as a macro so I will use it on cooldown and i can forget about it while it's just doing its thing in the background
hope this helps a bit
Also kicking casts as a holy pally (or any healer cept priest/druid) is really useful, prevents damage, and gives u 1 holy power (if talented)
imo a good gauge if you're really doing your best and its your team not you, is your healing output. if at high stress situations you're outputting 1mil - 1.5mil hps that's a good gauge that you're healing rotation is sufficient and if you still wipe its likely because of a failure on mechanics by the team
i'd just like to add, that im only referring to the very first pull, you obv did fine with the other pulls and it was mostly the grps fault for not interrupting or the dps dying to the crawler's death aoe, no way those were your fault
@@981407036x thanks for offering these tips!
While his UI needs some work, based on the few pulls I would say he does not have that much experience as a healer, the tank pretty much screwed him big time but he could have done so much better, its not a big deal if I could talk with the guy, I would tell him to just push past this, at one point he will break the wall skill wise and once he does that the quality of players in his party will improve
@@asasdsaasda well said.
definately max party frames more visible looked way to dark to see health properly
@@acerimmer9894 ya I feel like it's really unclear.
Oh nice, just noticed he's using that wowop addon. Do you know or have you seen if you can upload the logs of the attempt or does it have to be a completed or timed key? Cuious if it could look at the attempts before the disband so you can check the stats just prior to the disband.
The thing about healing is that who's to say what is a reasonable amount of healing expected? Of course you can point to bad pulls, missed kicks, and lack of defensives, but if you didn't have any of those you pretty much wouldn't even need healing in a 10. I don't play holy paladin, but I've healed a lot of pug 10s on a resto druid and this video looks pretty typical to me. The incoming damage seemed healable, but the hpal's will be able to talk about that more specifically.
@@zfeazcesd1047 ya well said for sure.
Where do I submit footage for comic relief or review?
@@nickolasroper3237 onelegiontv@gmail.com
Only 3 mins in but I can make some comments since I saw hes playing holy pally and talking about healing the mechanic. The antiheal mechanic SUCKS as hpal, nearly every AoE heal you have only hits "injured" allies so you literally can only single target heal the mechanic unless it overlaps with damage. Your major cooldowns, Aura Mastery and Avenging Crusader, both do nothing to the anti heal as they are primarily DR and "injured allies" respectively.
Some comments after watching fully: His rotation doesn't seem very good. As lightsmith Judgment is literally 1/4 of your healing, it should never be off cooldown.
Playing holy pally without mouseover healing macros or some sort of focus enemy + target ally macros is insane, you switch so much between damage and healing spells.
During AC you shouldn't be pressing anything that isn't Judgment, Crusader Strike, WoG, or a major CD.
I cant find Awakening in his UI, I can only see it in the top right buff bar, Awakening is almost a stronger cd than the main Avenging Crusader button in keys. Also the infusion procs are pointless to track, especially twice (once around character and once in his weakauras).
Divine Favor is technically worth it, but thinking about it if you aren't doing everything else perfectly is going to be an HPS loss.
Aura Mastery should have been saved for the first Call of the Brood, but it wouldn't have mattered with that pull anyway.
This is great feedback, I hope they see it!
Thanks a lot for helping!
i'll start with this, I don't heal. but... if i did. i'd copy some popular steamer ui that looks good. automaticjack is a good one i've seen.
@@kfactor99 ya I would t recommend that personally. I think that's what this person did honestly. And it's not working for them at all.
As a dps player, it’s nearly impossible to get a 10 done. Barely able to even complete a 10 let alone time it.
Nah. It´s possible. Even kinda "boosted" a couple of low gear but good play DPS before my account ran out late January. Never give up m8.
I don't understand why you'd say that. Are you just not aware of how many people are pugging regularly?
12 deaths by the 2nd mini boss 😅😅😅
@@americanmambi ya rough one.
it is not and individual mistake it is just a group that dont use they're aoe stops disrupts interrupts usually that outcome happens when players dont care to help each others and it is a big problem in PUG world.Just understand that sometimes it is what it is.
@@vladislavzdravkov4057 yup sometimes it's just pugging haha
Maybe it's just me but a couple of things I found personally distracting. First and foremost is the combat text. If I were the person in this situation I would remove combat text entirely. Knowing how much damage and healing each little thing you do is irrelevant in the overall scheme of things. And can just be a distraction as it realy fills up the screen quite a bit here. I would suggest turning it off in the options menu under combat. Second I would suggest investing in some "stinky bright potions" This dungeon in particular always feels SUPER dark to me. (This could just be a me thing.) The stinky bright potion puts everything into focus better because eveything is no longer SUPER dark like this. It just makes everything pop and allows you to easily discern what is going on with less delay as your brain tries to sift through layers of darkness. Sure itneeds to be reapplied after death but slap it on a convenient open keybind and you sill always have it going. Now I don't pretend to understand healing or being a healer so all I will say is from what I can see your positioning looks good except for that first pull as you move past the group. This is a mistake I make from time to time myself as it opens you up to a butt pull situation. You did REALLY well marking the tank with the blue box. I tend to do that myself but I also find that (and I am a melee dps) if I am past the tank I am always in heavy danger and if I am behind them I am usually good. Don't get me wrong those exploding mobs have farmed me a TON as I am learning but I try to always err on the side of being behind where the tank is instead of in front of them. Other than that I don't see TOO much that I can comment on. Keep plugging away I still only need 3 portals myself so I am right there with ya. Pce.
Thanks for weighing in!
man I hate add-ons. most people are too dumb to use all the things add-ons give them. people just like "as many cool little thingies on the screen at one time as possible" even though they don't use 99% of the custom UI elements. add-ons should be banned from the game entirely imo. everyone's "custom UI" just looks like digital dogpoop to my eyes. I like the clean, basic, utility-focused base UI in the game. it's WAY MORE than enough for ANY POSSIBLE NEED. I really hate the wow community sometimes with their ridiculous obsession with add-ons. losers.
Ya sadly I agree. I see a lot of people just download a bunch of stuff but never utilize any of it effectively.
never be afraid to use defensives tank screwed viewer on this one to but if u know big aoe is incoming u need to be rdy otherwise your just gonna die
@@acerimmer9894 agreed
Hes not mouseover healing! hes clicking each frame. i can guarantee thats why hes having so much difficulty. you have to mouseover heal there is no way around out it, each click is such a waste of time and puts you so far behind
And his UI is just bad. mouse over healing, should be as close to your cursor as possible. i also heal with my frame long ways over the frames being stacked. i found it easier.
If he is on US server, he can join the guild i am, im not leader, but we do M+ days during the week. when i joined this guild my gameplay got so much better. i feel people really should try to find a good guild to play with. the game becomes much better imo.
keep up the great work too i appreciate this content alot.
@@TheUnderJaker thanks for saying so and thanks for lending your voice to help!
@ you’re healing community one video at a time my man. It’s great to see. Thank you very much.
@@TheUnderJaker means a real lot, thanks for taking the time to say that!
Hpal is a odd healer ive seen some do well with no gear and some do horrible fully geared but then again it could just be lack of know of said class but in my opinion it felt like he was focused so much on the group and stuff but never healing himself atleast that what i saw a bit during this
hpal is just that, a healer, it isn't a savior. Many heal specs can single-handedly save a pull full of bad pug play by sheer throughput, cc, large party cooldowns, etc (especially in a 10). A good example is a resto shaman or MW monk. Hpals can't do that as easily. It's more reliant on the other 4 players not being bad.
It's the CDs. Hpal Cds are exceptionally strong and basic Hpal is very weak.
People who manage CDs well (or just use them at all) can/will do well, people that do basic healing and save CDs forever do horrible.
I will say, ive pugged as all the healers and Hpal is the hardest for me. It doesn't have any really good "oh shit" buttons. That button you push when you get behind or need to hit everyone at once. Hpal requires smart smart CD usage.
Oh ya!? Surprised to hear that, they were always THE "oh shit" healer with all their burst healing, lay in hands, bubble etc.
dont play holy pala T.T
why not?