War of the Formula 1 “Pay Drivers” - Zhou vs Latifi vs Mazepin
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- Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2021
- It's official, Guanyu Zhou will be racing for Alfa Romeo Racing in 2022, alongside Valtteri Bottas. He'll be the first Chinese driver ever to hold a full seat in Formula 1, and is currently sitting 2nd in the Formula 2 Championship.
Problem is, he's the latest driver to be marked as a "Pay Driver". So I thought I'd look into why, and compare him to the two other most recent pay drivers in Formula 1, Latifi & Mazepin.
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Yes 1ntern is goated
What about stroll?
As a watch collector I (or we) hate anyone who likes Hublot. It is the worst watch brand. F*ck Hublot. 😂💔
1NTERN!!!! GET IT LAD
Imagine an 1ntern and Tommo collaboration... The amount of wheel knowledge in one video would be incredible.
I think people are only annoyed by the Zhou appointment due to Piastri being passed by. It's clear that Zhou is a good driver and I think he deserves a chance in F1, but Piastri doing a Leclerc Russell and not getting called up is a shocker imo
That and he's Chinese. Let's be real here: people reeeeally don't like China (specifically the Chinese government), and a lot of people somehow equate him with the CCP and are just mad about that more then anything else.
I also think people are annoyed because money is being spoken about with him. But everyone needs to know that majority of the grid also comes with sponsors. Talent doesn’t just get you to F1 these days
For sure, that heightens the sense of injustice, when someone who so blatantly has earned a callup, misses out.
@@TurdInternational the craziest shit I have ever seen about the whole Zhou thing is that some guy tryna say president Xi directly paid 30 mil, which is just mind blowing
@@user-yooo I wouldn't be surprised if the money was coming from the CCP through other companies; it's often how they work. But to be mad about the CCP, and ignore the fact that all the big backers in F1 have probably done (or definitely done) dodgy shit to make their money, is just silly. The coffee industry is bursting at the seams with allegations of child trafficking and slavery, but that never gets brought up when it comes to Latifi and Lavazza. I don't think Zhou is worthy, and I don't like the CCP, but the inconsistency irks me.
It's a credit to Lance that he's not in these conversations anymore.
Should be he’s not good enough.
@@stuartrea5657 oh my god shut up please.
@@stuartrea5657 oh really maybe his daddy should make a better car...cause in F1 it is the car not the driver....just like Lewis is showing us
are we seriously pretending Lance hasn’t been really poor this season
Stroll is bang average. As long as better performing teammates keep getting the sack he should 100% be in these conversations. Massa, Sirotkin, Perez...
turns out, zhou is a super solid rookie
he's trash what are you talking about?
Update: Zhou absolutely destroyed the others
It’s not even close. Zhou is phenomenal
While I think Latifi did enter the sport as a pay driver. IMO he has put In some good performances over this season and isn’t doing too bad. I think he deserves that seat right now tbh
You will talk the same about zhou and mazepin 2 years later 😂. Really. Once people used to talk about stroll then we got latifi then mazepin and zhou. So now to every pay driver , the previous pay driver becomes better
Don't be daft.
I agree, I think Latifi is learning pretty well over the races and from Russell. Even though he isn't as fast, he knows how to get into a good position and keeps out of trouble, when he's in the right place he's more than capable of scoring points (e.g) hungary
Despite latifi, mazepin and zhou being 'pay drivers' they will improve over time
Notice no mention of Stroll anymore
@@sound4117 He outqualified Russell this weekend, and was ahead in the race as well until a bad strategy call! He's certainly learned a lot since he started in F1!
Zhou score points twice now. And he has not crashed yet. The 3 DNF this season was not his fault. I think he is driving a lot better than other drivers in the grid.
Well the whole crash part aged like a glass of milk. But the rest your spot on
I dont Think you Can Call Zhou a “modern” pay driver, because it isnt a family member that pays for his seat, but a sponsor. Kinda like Checo
I get what you mean, but the fundamental issue is the same no? Backing from dad, or backing from dad's mates company, is still backing.
@@TommoOnRUclips yeah, but with Mazepin, Latifi and Stroll it was pretty easy to see that their dads paid huge amounts to get Them, a Seat. Although i get what you mean. Banger vid btw
@@Madselkjs I'd argue that with everyone trying to break into the Chinese market, Zhou has it even easier.
@@MrLinkinparkrules i believe so too, i just Think he aint a “modern” pay driver. By “modern” i mean a driver that has a very Rich family member that pays either by sponsorship, or directly for a seat
So he deserved the seat over Oscar?
Zhou has performed better than expected. Not flashy but reliable. Keep him, Alfa Romeo.
I think it's worth considering as well the background of these drivers: Latifi entered late, starting Karting at a positively geriatric 13, while Mazepin won in Russia before moving to international competition at 12 with a bucket of money behind him. Zhou raced in China where there's no real tradition of competition before upping sticks to race in the UK at 13, and whilst he has big sponsor backing now and his family are by no means poor they don't compare to the billionaire backing of Latifi, Stroll, or Mazepin.
The thing is my view was Latifi and Mazepin is improved recently, however Stroll just not improved
@@luuduonghy659 huh lol not sure we watch the same races if you think mazepin has improved
@@luuduonghy659 stroll has not improved yep that's why he got pole at a wet race with 2 great wet race drivers like lewis and max...yeah ofc he is bad ...not everyone can get a podium in their debut season...
I think Val’eri Bo’as will do decent enough next season. It’ll be interesting to see how zhou performs compared to him
bottas will probably clap zhou
@@saivarshan3076 it's obvious bro...not even a question
@@saivarshan3076 i mean...I'd hope so...
@@greybo4034 a mediocre going up against a veteran
I think Zhou will be eaten alive...
Zhou was rookie of the year in his first F2 season. His second season in F2 was marked by mechanical failures and unlucky incidences, he would've been in the title race if he wasn't cursed by bad luck. People that don't watch F2 just look at final placings and rarely consider how unreliable some F2 teams cars are; Zhou's car for his second season was a disaster.
Ye thanks to the engine failure he lost about 30+points just in the first round
Mecachrome need to pull their fingers out. Like, it's 2 million per year. The unreliability ain't good enough.
@@TommoOnRUclips yeah they need to fix that.
@@TommoOnRUclips for the ridiculous amount of money that young drivers have to pay, they deserve something better.
Those failures from 2020 didn't cause zhou to spin his car TWICE all on its own this year did it. Zhou is an incredibley average driver he has Bottas driving style just boring play it safe driver that qualifies good sometimes other times not.
Zhou came second. Toni had his chance, if f1 was a meritocracy piastri wouldve gotten it but its hardly comparable to Mazepin
Maz has had his moments, but his Ls have been huge.
Nick De Vries aswell
I think Nicky will push Alex next year and with 2 years as the Williams second priority I think he'll want to prove himself as a team leader
Nick is still such an unknown entity to me. Gonna be verrry interesting next year.
@@TommoOnRUclips yeah it's always very hard to judge when a driver is in a car that hasn't been able to challenge and has only had one teammate who is a driver everyone knows is top class. He'll be one of the drivers I'm looking at the most next year to see how he goes up against Alex
Hopefully Alex Albon can prove his mettle to Red Bull and dust ole Nickie Latifi.
I think Latifi is better than we give him credit for. He had strong career in F2 and narrowly missed winning the championship in 2019. I'm very interested to see what he does next year with (hopefully) a more competitive car.
@@AD-df5tm he lost by 59 points in 2019 AND 3rd was just 7 points behind him
So hyped to hear Tommo call him 'Joe' for the rest of his career
in chinese the zh sounds similiar to a j sound
GO ON JOSEPH
Joe mama
his nickname on the grid is "Joey"
Just my two cents but I think Alpine are playing this smart & setting up Piastri as a successor to Fernando, keeping him within the Alpine team as test and reserve allows them to build future cars around him. Which is an interesting long term prospect 😊
good point, but where does piastri go next season if he wins f2? formula e?
If Alpine where really smart they would have paid Alfa to get Piastri in to F1.
@@addisonlewis8581 maybe piastri would bomb this f2 season to race another year, a few more Indycar seats left aswell
@@addisonlewis8581 LMH and reserve driver
But unless they suddenly have a top car, he'll move on to Mercedes/McLaren/Ferrari in a few years.
King Latifi, Emperor Zhou, and Lord Mazepin
🤦♂
Don’t forget Sir Lancelot
Comгаde Mazepin you mean.
@@lolaspratt5860 forgot about that one.
One big thing about Zhou, he does have insanely rich parents, but I dont think its much more than daddy norris or daddy verstappen, most of his financial contributions are from sponsors, which does actually take some networking skill. He is still a pay driver, but not as bad, in my opinion, as Latiffi, Stroll or Mazepin.
Honestly even though Latifi is a pay driver he does pretty well considering he’s in a Williams. Yes there are better drivers but they deserve the seats other than Zhou and Mazepin
the best part is he is a part owner of mclaren, and dosen't try to get that seat, he knows his worth and talent
Eh, I’d say zhou will do better than gio, I’d say zhou definitely has the ability to use that Alfa well
@@dumbonaw7762 It's hard to say because Gio also came 2nd in GP2. But there is no doubt Zhou will get his ass handed to him by Bottas.
@@nathanmcdowell7306 as would gio tho
@@nathanmcdowell7306 idk, that one free practice session in Austria looked promising for Zhou. But obviously, we can only wait and see.
I'm going all in on 🐐ifi for next season.
Zhou has been solid enough in F2 this season that I think he deserves a chance in F1. I get that people are upset about Piastri not getting the seat this year but I have faith he will get his chance as well. My feeling is that Alpine are keeping him in reserve to replace Alonso.
I mean if Alpine don't give Alonso's seat to Piastri once he retires, then they should just close down their academy as it would be useless
@@beatrizsilveira6978 Don't you think they will prefer Gasly instead? Isn't that amazing when you have 2 french drives drive for Renault/Alpine.
@@emre0411 Even if they prefer it, I don't think they can do that to Piastri, especially if he wins F2
It would look really bad on them
@@beatrizsilveira6978 the challenge for him is Alpine might not have any seat available in the next couple of years or more. I don’t see Fernando necessarily retires after the next season and Ocon already has a long term contract. piastri is very likely to win the title this year then he can’t race in F2 again next year. What is he going to do in the next couple of years?
Looking back to Tommo's prediction, luckily he drew the wrong conclusion. Zhou has way more capacity and potential than what Tommo said. Happy to see a decent rookie like him.
well p10 on debut and most overtakes should shut doubters.
Well ,Zhou scored points in his debut
The first F2 race I saw was late in Zhou's rookie season, and he was well out of the top 10, but picked up fastest lap with... I forget how many laps to go. In the commentary, Alex Jacques mentioned that he wouldn't get the Fastest Lap point, as it was highly unlikely that Zhou would finish in the top 10. Zhou then drove the wheels off that car and finished in P10. It was an excellent first impression. Zhou has the skill, but I think he can lack the aggression. I feel he does deserve a shot, but so does Piastri. I hope Oscar's 'gap year' will not lead to him falling through the cracks.
Who is this "Valerie Boas" who Zhou will be racing alongside? 🤔😂
Lol true
Here from the future: zhou earned a point in the first race finishing 10th at Bahrain. Not a horrible performance but not fantastic given he only finished so high due to both Red Bulls and an alphatauri not finishing due to mechanical issues. That being said I think Alfa has a solid car this year and I’m excited to see how bottas and zhou stack up against the rest of the field
What is your opinion now?
I am a South African I’ve been watching f1 for so long I just want an f1 race in South Africa that would just make my whole life 😔
How's the track looking? If your government won't fund it, it's up to the track to shore up the cash.
@@GloomGaiGar it’s pretty nice
Zhou is the one pay driver with talent
I think Latifi will actually be nearly on level with Albon next year
gimme some of the crack
He must be. He is in that team for 2 years where as albon is out of the car for the whole year
@@askeladden450 casual
@@tejasshah99 it’s a whole different car so they’ll both be starting at pretty much the same point.
@@sound4117 Well tbf, he did finally outqualify Russell this weekend, and was ahead in the race as well until a bad strategy call by the team. He's certainly come a long way since he started in F1!
in defence of Mazepin jn 2019, which I never thought I'd say, he was the last of the really really obvious 2nd ART drivers, treated like shit where they put all resources into the number 1
Was gonna say the same thing
No wonder Redbull like putting their Juniors through ART
I also feel bad for de Vries- one of the unluckiest guys. He wins f2 championship 52 points ahead of latifi and at the time Williams were the only ones who had a seat available. Due to the financial situation, latifi got the seat, and de Vries went to fe to be picked up by merc. Then he wins the championship (which IMO he was one of the drivers of the season, I mean some of the moves he’s made in places such as London were 🔥🔥). Toto tried to get him into Williams but (not reliable sources) apparently they chose albon because he bought the Asian sponsorship and publicity
Then he’s in contention of the seat at Alfa to be put out of contention because Zhou (reliable source) had the Chinese government backing of a big €30 million
also the likes of Piastri I wanted to see but he looks in prospect for 2023 Alpine, which may be better seat wise than Alfa, although we won’t know until the new regs settle down
I'm sure by 2023, Mercedes is eager to find a replacement for Hamilton and a partner for Russell. And that driver could be de Vries.
@@ken2k318 Mercedes won't sign a rookie, they never do that. Don't forget that for nowadays standards Nyck is getting a bit old to start driving F1... It's sad because he's got way more talent than some drivers on the grid
@@diegopuijk9803 I'm not saying they should get a rookie driver. And also de Vries is one of the reserve driver for Mercedes. But they can consider some choices:
1) promote current reserve driver Vandoorne to partner George
2) bring either Gasly or Ocon (since Ocon is still managed by Toto) over as a clear number 2 for George
3) if you want another Hamilton-Rosberg situation, bring in Max.
And btw does competing in Formula E could allow you to earn crucial points for a Super license?
Pastry will be filling in Alonso's shoes when he retires again possibly in 2023
100%, De Vries deserves to be on the grid. Maybe even a winning car considering how he did in FE which is a lot different from F2
Shout out to all the people who were saying Latifi would be as good as Albon this year. Really hit the nail on the head there guys, bravo.
Well, I guess no discussion on the comparison btw Zhou and Mazepin or Latifi any more. 2022 Bahrain p10 on debut with the most overtakes in the race. He overtook Mick Schumacher twice , though Hass has a more competitive car given the time gap btw K-Mag and Valterri. He proved all the haters wrong.
You better put Zhou at number one, otherwise your social credit score will go down
Lance has paid his dues and left the pay drivers conversation apparently.
i think its because lance has proved himself against his 4 time wc teammate. hes about on par with him in points and has left his old "im rich and your mad about it" personality at the door. Also his dad has stepped away further behind the scenes whether he has the same influence is questionable but thats the reason why i would no longer consider him a pay driver
@@gamesofpain2920 Yes, all that plus the pole in the rain at Istanbul, although he had a touch of luck there, he still got the job done
@@gamesofpain2920 I never really thought Lance was a bad guy or had any type of attitude. I think what his dad bought him was time to develop into a decent driver. In 5 years he has beaten a teammate once in points standings. If he weren’t a pay driver there’s a chance he would’ve lost his seat a year or two ago and we would never see him develop into the driver he is today.
I am a Chinese national living in Singapore(Of course otherwise I cannot use RUclips), and I genuinely feel lucky watching Tommo making his honest opinion on Guanyu Zhou's situation because a lot of comparisons are simply *facts*(There's no George here). Of course I am super excited to see my country's flag on the F1 grid for the first time ever in a full weekend basis and the first time I have seen it after Ma Qinghua driving as reserve driver of HRT in 2013. My honest opinion on this? Yes I am super hyped considering I have been watching him in Euro F3 since 2018 I always think if he got some decent financial backing, he definitely deserves a shot at F1.
I am proud to say I haven't missed a single FP session of F1 since 2020 Austria and most F2 races so I guess I have a decent overview of what is happening to him. Yes sometimes you see him absolutely on it and make a charge to the podium from P6 or P7 but more often he just disappeared after lap 1 considering his atrocious starts usually cost him a few places at the start. He was never good enough to challenge George, Charles(I am a simp of him) but also mOnEY iS a pARt of MoTOrsports.
Opinion on pay drivers? I do not blame or hate them only because they have money, you need a super license first to qualify as a F1 driver.
Opinion on mother China having her own F1 driver? Why not?
Callum deserved that seat! It seemed like it was going to happen since he was around for virtually every race with Alfa. They did him very dirty!
I am a fan of Zhou but always figured he would get into F1 when Alonso left.
I think Callum is a really good driver but why does he deserve it ?? Doesn’t winning titles mean that you deserve it
@@ethanfaulkner3787 Yeah but he couldn't get a seat this year in f2 and their are many drivers in f1 who didn't win f2 like Lando, Tsunoda, Giovinazzi. The only reason why Haas did not go for Callum is because they need money so that's why they choose everyone's favorite russian Nikita Mazipin
@@ethanfaulkner3787 if that’s true than what is Mazepin, Tsunoda and now Zhou doing there? Oscar Piastri absolutely deserves it as well, don’t get me wrong, but Callum worked with the team the entire year and has a bigger relationship with them than Zhou who’s a Renault driver.
Piastri will probably get that Alonso Seat in a couple years? or 30 knowing how tenacious Alonso is.
@@ethanfaulkner3787 Agree!! He came 2nd sure but then again it was his 2nd year in F2
I quite like Zhou and have done for a while. Seeing him smash the F2 feature race at Silverstone really sealed it for me
Finally someone who knows that Zhou has talent
Nyck De Vries was in F2 for 3 years, and he is valued as a wasted F1 WC talent so… (never say never)
They only talk about him because he won the championship. Even though the 2019 was at a lower talent level.
At least he won F-E :/
@@philsb9388 Thats why I don’t regard him as a big talent, if he were a George Russel or a Charles Leclerc he would have won the title the first year. Still Zhou is still in the battle for the WC
@@mawile3037 I don’t think that makes him any more desirable to teams
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6:40 an important point to consider here is that 2017 was the first season of FIA F2. Before it came GP2 which, for all intents and purposes, was the same. Latifi made his full season debut in GP2 in 2016 and did a half season in 2015
as a Chinese Canadian, it's a little bummer that the 3 drivers that share 'nationality' with me are labelled "pay drivers" ... but excited to see how they all perform with the new regs
Side note: people say F1 is being "Americanized", but it's quietly being taken over by Canadians
It's tough as a Canadian fan ehh? Good representation of pack filler drivers.
@@raywei8472 Simply because Canadians are more affable to European culture than Americans. Sometimes when walking in Toronto or Montreal you forget you're in North America: Roadman slang and rugby in the 6ix and French language in Montreal.
Great video!!
NGL, when you said Sean Gelael, I expected the "brooooww" in Josh Revell's videos, and it sounded in my head. Above else, great great video, as usual, Mr. Tommo not F1.
I think Latifi needs much more credit this year. His team mate is a generational talent slapped up bottas in a car that he could barely fit in. And yet without George's freak p2 in Spa's 'Grand Prix' or what ever it was, they'd be level on points with honestly, Nikki having a more consistent racecraft. And this is coming from a George/Albon fan
im excited for williams next year albon and latifi could consistently deliver points hopefully williams sorts their car out
well, that didn't happen
Keep up with the great work man🤜🏻🤛🏻
To be fair i think Piastri is lined up to replace Alonso when he retires at the end of the 2043 Season. And good on Lance breaking away from being a Pay driver, hopefully Aston Martin do well next season too, Seb deserves it.
Correction: Latifi did 3 seasons of F2 but he also did 1.5 seasons of GP2 (GP2 was F2 before the rebrand). So in all he spent nearly 5 years stuck in the same category.
I think Tommo should redo this video because now we have a picture of Zhou in f1
Norris' performance was on point since his debut that everyone never talked about him being a kind of pay driver. I just love his driving performance getting podiums and pole position with a car that is capable of doing 3~4th in team championship.
Im new to this channel but had to say the design and color choices of everything looks really good.
Latifi was in F2 for 3 years, but also gp2 for 3 years. so 6 years total in the runnner up series to f1
In line with what a few others have said, Latifi has grown on me this past year. Not the best driver, but has done well.
Quality content, dude!
Thanks for the Kayalami shoutout 💙🇿🇦
Here’s a difference between them. One will still be in f1, one is a gropestar, and one is the “goat”
I'm Chinese-Indonesian so maybe I count? Lol okay, I don't know how big the impact is for "a China first full time F1 driver" but it does sound good in terms of marketing. Guan yu seems decent enough, regardless of the "pay driver" tag, I think we shall see how he perform next year.
And it turned out Zhou is the safest among all of them
Great video
Tommo I think it is important to give the ages of the different drivers in particular seasons when doing these comparisons, as drivers of course do not peak at e.g. 21. Latifi, for example, is about 4 years older than Mazepin and Zhou, who are both older than Norris.
As a Chinese, totally agree with the very objective perspectives shared by Tommo. Zhou has been making progress since he’v joined F1. But before his entry, let’s be honest, he is one of the drivers who are at the margin in terms of F1 seat eligibility. Like just looking at the talents Piastri has showed in his rookie season so far.
However also worth noticing that Zhou is from Shanghai, a city does not emphasize racing culture as much as much as those big European or Japanese cities. He has to go through relatively tougher career path than the most of young talents. So very proud of him. Despite he has been anonymous in the most of races, truly hope Tommo could make more videos about him to share your thoughts with Chinese fans❤
South African here. Appreciate the shoutout to Kyalami! 🔥
I’m a year late but just found this video and it’s absolutely class just got a new subscriber
im here after almost 3 races in f1 and i think we can all agree zhou is alright. he got a point in his debut race, isnt too far off bottas. and is usually near the top 10 position, its similar to antonio and kimi. nothing close to mick and nikita
In my eye Latifi improved a lot this season and i can't wait to see him next season with a hopefully more competitive car. I'm really curious to see what he can do. I will wait with forming opinions on Mazepin and Mick until next season, i think it kinda useless comparing them to anyone even to eachother while they are driving the glorified gokart of a car. My only problem whit alfa signing Zhou is that I'm worried what will happen with Piastri if he wins f2. I hope he doesn't suffer the same fate as De Vries. I think both deserves a chance in f1.
Can’t wait to see which comes 17th 💪🏻
Ah yes. Valorie Boas. Heard of that driver somewhere :P
Good vid though and great analysis!
Zhou is much better
Bold prediction:
Once Honda leaves at the end of the season, Red Bull will bin off Tsunoda and put Piastri in at Toro Rosso.
That'll be great but alpine won't let him go, alonso isn't staying there forever. Also, yuki could also improve next season. RB seemed to have soften their approach on binning underperforming drivers. They retained checo also
@@TheMschelsea91 Checo is good tho and even gold. Gasley is good but he can't stand the pressure in RB (he seems pretty happy in Alpha Turi).
i am not chinese but i excited to see Zhou race and prove himself. I know it will be hard havinf bottas alonside but hopefully he shows some good pace in that alfa next season
Yeah, its exciting to see Zhou on the grid in 2022 as I probably never want to grab A ticket to watch F1 without him ....
Pay drivers have always been a huge issue and sort of taboo in the world of Formula 1. Whether we like it or not, it is fundamentally a part of the sport and vital to independent teams. Honestly, even Latifi who is till this point clearly the better of the three, I believe that drivers like Piastri, Pourchaire and Lawson would do a much much better job in his shoes. But just like everything in life, Formula 1 isn't perfect and we just have to accept it as fans.
Nice one,bro. Prost GP failed to get money to keep a float, even this teams have a 'Prost' name on it.😁
Thing is people pick and choice when to use the term paid driver, Each driver brings in money through personal sponsors so how much do they have to bring in to be classed as a paid driver
@@ethanfaulkner3787 it's not how much they bring in, for example Lewis brings in loads of money from sponsors every year, but it's because he's Lewis Hamilton he's getting these sponsors not because of daddy's money. Same with Max and Charles and many other fantastic drivers.
Latifi has kinda started to remind me of Perez: enters f1 labelled a pay driver, then become a pretty decent driver
I think Alfa will be interesting next year. I like Zhou and you can't ignore the fact that he'll bring a lot of fans to F1.
What a nice bloke u are Tommo. Dunno why I needed to say that, but here we are!
Latifi is improving and getting more consistent with experience, as will Mazepin. Zhou does appear to have the edge on them, though, if only slightly. He's usually there or thereabouts most of the time, but just not at the level of LeClerc, Russell, Piastri etc. They'll all most likely end up being like Stroll (who is better than all of them), become solid-ish #2's, after they get a bit of experience, that get to keep their seat because they have that safety net.
Don't forget that they're all better drivers than us here in the comments, so any hate is just bitterness that you're not an F1 driver, too. Video games don't count.
It looks to me like we can expect something similar to Latifi with Zhou. A stable if somewhat slow driver. To be honest, this is much better then the disaster that is Mazepin. Still I don't think that anyone would argue that Oscar would have been a much more exciting driver to see in a F1 car.
Not a Maz fan whatsoever but he's driving that truck called Haas so who knows what he could do in a better car, but being outperformed considerably by his rookie teammate doesn't bode well for him too. As for Piastri, he'll get the seat once Alonso retires. Won't be that long. His prospect looks brighter at this moment than any junior drivers tbh. Alpine won't let someone like him go easily, but timing is everything here
Well 10 months later guess we were all wrong about Zhou’s capabilities, good for him hopefully 2023 he gets a more reliable car
Fred hitting us with the " speculative conjunction " spiel
For all they're worth, Zhou and Goatifi are still kilometres better than Mazespin.
Guanyu Zhou definitely deserves the F1 drive tho. Yes it’s his third year, but 2020 season he was really unlucky, dont forget that. also this year it’s been hard as there are so many breaks between races. Yes, Piastri deserves the drive, but that doesn’t mean Guanyu doesnt.
And yea, Gio did not do quite enough. Like you said he did not beat kimi, and at 27 he hasnt showed the pace to be in the points, or near, consistently.
So glad knowing Zhou will race alongside Valerri Boas next season
honestly im glad that at least piastri is a test/reserve with alpine, and with alonso at an old age despite his decent performances this season, 2023 for piastri should be massive.
Looking at their F2 results only, I would rate Zhou en Latifi equally good. Not the best option out there, however, I can understand why they were called up. Mazepin though, can’t really say the same.
Nah man it should be zhou>latifi>maz it took latifi 4.5 years while it took zhou 3. The only reason why zhou was beaten by mazepon in the 2020 season is coz he was terrorized by car failures and unlucky car incidents
I mean I don't wanna defend Mazepin but he was at ART in 2019, and ART isn't very good at managing their drivers and giving them equal priority. Still, P18 is awful
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As an aussie with a chinese background, I hope Zhou does a Stroll and proves the haters wrong. Although I don't have my hopes super high coz there are just much better drivers for the seat. Would have loved to see Piastri as the second aussie on the grid. Nonetheless very proud that China has a driver on the grid full time finally.
I'm an Aussie with a Chinese background too but I have no idea how Zhou in any shape or form would ever "represent" me on the grid. I'm Aussie first and foremost, Piastri and Ricciardo represent me. Why would I feel a connection to a driver who comes from a country that I've hardly ever stepped foot in and has a cultural background where I have zero connection to, other than it being the place where my distant ancestors came from? That's like asking a typical Anglo Aussie if they have a connection to England, and if they feel represented by British drivers like Lewis, George and Lando instead of Daniel instead. Just my 2 cents
@@c.d.c9425 it's hard to explain that but people would have that feeling. So do I. BUT, the truth is that people from the same country or same city or even same family as you achieving something ( in this case, being in F1) has nothing to do with you... Zhou is just a rich kid in China who loves racing and accomplished his dream.
@@marshallzhao3843 A rich kid who payed his way into F1. Piastri has won three consecutive titles and he gets rewarded with nothing. Zhou puts on a mediocre performance (he still hasn't won f2 even in his third year) and he gets a seat. Honestly, Zhou deserves all the current and future hate
I think Latifi has been decent. I mean I rate Russell up there with Lando,Ricci, Sainz maybe even Leclerc (for now, i think we'll see what he's trully capable of at Mercedes) so I think he's done an alright job. Could've been better but not actually that bad. Mazepin has been improving a bit as well lately. Still kinda bad, but not as bad as in the beginning of the season. I think we have to give them time, expecting every rookie to perform well in such a complicated car compared to other series is a bit much in my opinion, but then F1 is all about being the best of the best so idk what to believe anymore.
Zhou is consistent, he is not s Piastri or a Russel or a Leclerc but he demonstrated that he deserved that place. On a car on the bottom of the grid he is a consistent driver. He stays in front of Bottas a third of the times, he have nothing to do with mazespin and Verstappen friend.
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i hate people saying zhou is a paid driver, he's experienced and is fighting for the F2 title
Mazapin was fighting for the F2 title
3 years in F2 with no title
he is definetly a pay driver, if oscar piastri could bring 30 mil they would sign him over zhou in an instant.
@@maxdenbreejen9844 no they wouldn't. Oscar is an alpine junior driver, alpine won't release him. they will probably give him a seat in 2023.
@@askeladden450 yeah, but I meant if they could sign him. I know it was never going to actually happen.
Nutella Man Just is The Best 'Pay Driver' without a doubt and would put Albon and give him a rough time
Lando originally: am I a joke to you
Piastri's record:
2019; R-ace GP; won championship
2020; F3; won championship
2021; F2; leading championship (currently)
Love how you pronaunce Valtteri Boas. 🤣
zhou has talent, latifi and mazespin dont
Giovinazzi's reaction has been pretty shit. Better and more consistent drivers in recent years have lost their seat whilst he has remained in F1, and honestly he'd probably not be in that seat this season if it wasn't for Ferrari backing. He's benefited from F1 politics too.
This is facts.
Finally! What an average driver, he talks as if he’s the next Schumacher.
maybe you shouldn't judge without considering all the facts. giovi found out he was kicked out of that photo of that car dealership in china. the team consistently fucked up his races for three years. sometimes, when he was asking questions on the radio, they were only telling him to shut up. he had to eat alone in this three-header. honestly, his reaction is more than justified. this is not how you treat a driver, it's absolute clownery.
@@annakalii I agree, and he has every right to get pissy with the team, but not casting aspersions about the incoming driver.
@@Scot1shSqu1rell and which aspersions has he casted?
Its weird everyone talk about Mazepins motorhomes in Junior formula and karting times but Lando also have Big motorhomes and living truck and huge finance back up
This is a bit off topic, but it was commented on at the end. With the winner of F2 not being able to compete in the series again. Is there a chance that Piastri would "throw" the end of the season so that he would be able to compete again in the series next year? Allowing him to keep himself sharp for the 2023 F1 season if he were to get called up for that season.