Just a comment on ACOA that you mentioned and thought it might be absorbed in Alanon. Actually I have found great help in the ACOA groups in my community. They dive into family of origin, our adaptation to that and the process of individuation. 😊🌺
I went to Constellation Workshop many years ago to support a friend. I was amazed how the energy came through the participants that knew nothing of the history. But what also amazed me was that I was chosen to represent the daughter of the individual who was having issues with her daughter and it represented the similar situation I was going through with my own mother.
So proud of my Irish heritage, borne on my father's name; only to learn through Ancestry DNA most of my genetic material is English, the colonizers. Legacy burden from mother's family, as her family history traces back to pre-Colonial Virginia landowners, my maternal grandfather a known member of a small-town KKK, my eligibility to join Daughters of the American Revolution. You can connect the dots! Isabelle Wilkerson's "Caste" makes a strong case for investigating family-trait inheritance!
"...a predisposition for the faery world . . ." could have come from both my parents! Scots-Irish-Welsh amidst English dominance: landowners clearing the land of peasants to make more money raising cattle!
I remember speaking with Lisa a handful of times about intergenerational trauma as a Jewish-American, and how it made me fearful of authority and being "othered". I am skeptical that these things are genetically or even necessarily spiritually transferred so much as non-verbally taught through generations, though that is still an unconscious process.
I’m somewhat familiar with the concepts behind cross-generational trauma, but entertaining it mostly seems like a convenient way to hand someone a self-victimizing narrative. Thoughts?
MrAhuraMazda187 MrAhuraMazda187 How have I not used critical thinking? What have I written that even allows you to make that evaluation? What do you mean by “people like you”? Your bias is showing here. That’s baseless claim number one. I’ll move on to the others. What is your basis that cross generational trauma does not exist? You have provided no evidence or reason besides stating that it doesn’t. The APA and psychological community has done research and validated that this is an existing construct. More specifically, we’d have to define what we mean by cross generational trauma, which is separate from the archetypes of the collective unconscious might I add. You have a weak understanding of systemic and psychoanalytic theory. Insofar that we accept the Freudian and Jungian idea that energy circulates through the body with a form that can exist as mental energy (also referred to as libido by Freud or chakra by Hinduism) then we can theorize about the transfer of emotional energy from those within social systems (a head nod towards family systems theory). It is not far fetched to imagine that the energy that trauma subsumes can be passed through genetics (genetic aspects not even being an integral part of the argument) and/or through communication. So when those grandparents speak of the Holocaust (many of which refused to even discuss though unprecedented rates of mental illness existed in the following generation who may have had little understanding of previous circumstances, which ofc could be explained by many things) some of that trauma is discharged vicariously - thus showing cross-generational trauma. To claim that the grandchildren who listened to that were traumatized solely by the story and not by the emotionality and relatedness in that family system that intertwines them is utter nonsense. Please name the books that Jung wrote on archetypes having no cultural inheritance. Even if he did write this, that doesn’t mean it’s true. He was cracking the ground on something unprecedented, he stated many times that his theories would continue to evolve. I believe that base archetypes do exist regardless of ethnicity. But I do believe certain archetypes form, expression, and frequency is culturally dependent and based in that cultures experiences PARTICULARLY if they are collectivistic. Jung is a man of his time who existed in a deeply fragmented society that was deeply individualistic, his bias exists and affects his theories just like yours-head nod towards Nietzsche and Kant. Lastly, epigenetics is not a solved field. We are still unsure what can and cannot be transferred genetically. It is not absurd to think that the relationship between genes and environment that one currently experiences cannot be passed down to our children in a different form. What is your investment in trying to separate people from what they feel to be a connection with the experiences of their ancestry, good and bad? Your culture does not value ancestry or see ancestry as a continuation of the self. That does not make what you believe a truth statement. The truth is that you don’t know.
Just a comment on ACOA that you mentioned and thought it might be absorbed in Alanon. Actually I have found great help in the ACOA groups in my community. They dive into family of origin, our adaptation to that and the process of individuation. 😊🌺
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️You all and your podcast have enriched my life so deeply. 💛
I went to Constellation Workshop many years ago to support a friend. I was amazed how the energy came through the participants that knew nothing of the history. But what also amazed me was that I was chosen to represent the daughter of the individual who was having issues with her daughter and it represented the similar situation I was going through with my own mother.
So proud of my Irish heritage, borne on my father's name; only to learn through Ancestry DNA most of my genetic material is English, the colonizers. Legacy burden from mother's family, as her family history traces back to pre-Colonial Virginia landowners, my maternal grandfather a known member of a small-town KKK, my eligibility to join Daughters of the American Revolution. You can connect the dots! Isabelle Wilkerson's "Caste" makes a strong case for investigating family-trait inheritance!
Alan Watts' "fundamental ground of being" might relate to that primal level.
"...a predisposition for the faery world . . ." could have come from both my parents! Scots-Irish-Welsh amidst English dominance: landowners clearing the land of peasants to make more money raising cattle!
I remember speaking with Lisa a handful of times about intergenerational trauma as a Jewish-American, and how it made me fearful of authority and being "othered". I am skeptical that these things are genetically or even necessarily spiritually transferred so much as non-verbally taught through generations, though that is still an unconscious process.
I’m somewhat familiar with the concepts behind cross-generational trauma, but entertaining it mostly seems like a convenient way to hand someone a self-victimizing narrative. Thoughts?
Stop ingesting Jordan Peterson without critically questioning his material
MrAhuraMazda187 MrAhuraMazda187 How have I not used critical thinking? What have I written that even allows you to make that evaluation? What do you mean by “people like you”? Your bias is showing here. That’s baseless claim number one. I’ll move on to the others.
What is your basis that cross generational trauma does not exist? You have provided no evidence or reason besides stating that it doesn’t. The APA and psychological community has done research and validated that this is an existing construct. More specifically, we’d have to define what we mean by cross generational trauma, which is separate from the archetypes of the collective unconscious might I add.
You have a weak understanding of systemic and psychoanalytic theory. Insofar that we accept the Freudian and Jungian idea that energy circulates through the body with a form that can exist as mental energy (also referred to as libido by Freud or chakra by Hinduism) then we can theorize about the transfer of emotional energy from those within social systems (a head nod towards family systems theory). It is not far fetched to imagine that the energy that trauma subsumes can be passed through genetics (genetic aspects not even being an integral part of the argument) and/or through communication. So when those grandparents speak of the Holocaust (many of which refused to even discuss though unprecedented rates of mental illness existed in the following generation who may have had little understanding of previous circumstances, which ofc could be explained by many things) some of that trauma is discharged vicariously - thus showing cross-generational trauma. To claim that the grandchildren who listened to that were traumatized solely by the story and not by the emotionality and relatedness in that family system that intertwines them is utter nonsense.
Please name the books that Jung wrote on archetypes having no cultural inheritance. Even if he did write this, that doesn’t mean it’s true. He was cracking the ground on something unprecedented, he stated many times that his theories would continue to evolve. I believe that base archetypes do exist regardless of ethnicity. But I do believe certain archetypes form, expression, and frequency is culturally dependent and based in that cultures experiences PARTICULARLY if they are collectivistic. Jung is a man of his time who existed in a deeply fragmented society that was deeply individualistic, his bias exists and affects his theories just like yours-head nod towards Nietzsche and Kant.
Lastly, epigenetics is not a solved field. We are still unsure what can and cannot be transferred genetically. It is not absurd to think that the relationship between genes and environment that one currently experiences cannot be passed down to our children in a different form.
What is your investment in trying to separate people from what they feel to be a connection with the experiences of their ancestry, good and bad? Your culture does not value ancestry or see ancestry as a continuation of the self. That does not make what you believe a truth statement. The truth is that you don’t know.