Joseph’s metaphor of complex as a bright sun that eclipses countless possibly positive things really resonated with me. Very grateful I found this episode. ❤
What a fanastically elucidating candour emanating from each speaker in this humble conversation. I'm a young man trying to grasp with the rudiments of Jungian psychology and on a quest to restore certain developmental arrests, complexes (specifically my Puer Aeternus..) and a history of complex childhood trauma. I feel rejuvinated and introspective now and take keen notes towards my own comprehension. Thank you for the content and channel.
I absolutely love your podcasts.Nice to actually hear people talk about Jungian ideas who know what they are talking about.There has been somewhat of a revival of Jung but few people seem to really understand many of his ideas and theories".You elucidate and explain them so well
What a wonderful episode. I've always had difficulties understanding the concept of the complex. You've made it very clear and practical. I need to re-listen while taking notes! Thank you.
This was not a dream. This happened to me in waking life. When I told my grandmother, my mother's mother, that I had been accepted into law school, she screwed up her face and spat out with disdain, "You think you're smarter than the rest of us." I live with a complex that thinks I'm some sort of "less than" being. Yet I also know I live a life my female ancestors would and did die for! Autonomy, freedom, independence, and the resources to enjoy all that on the physical, psychic and spiritual levels.
This was super good! I'm going to send this around because it's such a thorough analysis. I thought the dream analysis hit a lot of angles and was quite complete. I might add that the queen could also the alchemical archetype of the individuated woman and the cleaning of the trash, while it did seem to be in the context of the "audience", also points to the necessary shadow work which is the prima materia or first work of individuation.
Some thoughts about the symbolism of the dream at the end: I follow an artist who does work on symbolism, who said that, religiously, the number 6 is the number of "a man," or humanity, and that 7 is the perfect number because it allows for the remnant, or the things that don't fit in or are on the border or "margin." It was interesting to me that at 6:00 the dreamer is sitting on the "right hand of the mother." That seems to me to be all her terrestrial work and responsibility to be the feminine "right hand man" of the matriarch. Sitting on the right hand of the throne is a place of honor, but the ascendence is taking on the mantle for yourself and assuming the heavy crown. There's a lot of anima/animus in these archetypal roles to me. Like the yin/yang of ruling, order, chaos, and the tyranny of that job. The dreamer is being warned that the work is thankless and not fulfilling of self, but she is being given the choice to take it on. Standing with one foot in order and one foot in chaos is balance between responsibility and creativity, and is by that nature, fulfilling. This artist I follow also pointed out that things that are on the right are drawn in, and things on the left are pushed away. You see this in Christian iconography with the two fingers on the right, uplifted and the left hand down and pushing away. This is your choice. You can be drawn in or pushed away, but you can't have them both at the same time. I think this means she should not tie herself down, but remain flexible so she can respond when she wants to participate in the order, and leave when she wants to live for herself.
Fascinating. When you were talking about DID, I found myself thinking about interviews I've heard with serial killers who describe blacking out/being possessed by something that sounds like it could be a complex. I wonder if that is actually what's happening with them.
Micharl thats fascinating. We had a tenant try to kill a fellow tenant in a co-living house with a knife and then set fire to the property (arrested, bailed, pending prosecition). We are now disputing her deposit eith evidence and Police documentstion, crime references, etc. She attests no damage done. I, too, wonder if this is a complex with extreme repression going on. Still remains an extremely dangerous individual, of course. Further support for this idea is that it emerged there is a long history or knives and arson (including parental property). I believe the presence of a pattern sugfests complex.
Is it that complexes are similar to large, unexplored lands, and that to gain liberation, one needs to slowly explore said land over a long time and with many experiences? (In essence, creating a counter-complex.) Or is the process of liberation more like a super-cooled fluid? Where exploration doesn’t yield many obvious results until one day, there is a sharp change and (like the fluid instantly freezing) the ego suddenly frees itself from the complex?
Emotional Complexes ≠ Rational Feeling Tones Cognitive Function. There might be an Animus conflating these two very distinct experiences. Introverted Feeling Tones are extremely distinct experiences from Emotion. Maybe this isn’t the case with Extraverted Feeling, but there is definitely a distinction between Fi and Emotions.
I think Jung made a distinction between Feeling Tones and Emotion[al] Complexes. I’m not sure if these in some way might be conflated or combined in Extraverted Feeling dom, but I’ve had the pleasure of experiencing Introverted Feeling Tones and these were a very different experience to emotions. Emotions are irrational and reactive. At least Introverted Feeling is rational evaluating based upon Feeling Tones. When we combine Rational Feeling Tones with Emotional Complexes in our conceptualization we’ve completely destroyed the understanding of Rational Introverted Feeling Function.
Her nightmare dreams "One... I'm in a dark room. I can see an old friend of mine. We were so perfect. She is walking away with another girl. Looks like they are talking about me and laughing. I try to catch up but they walk away and the start making fun of my mental health. My arm starts bleeding from some open cuts. She screams and points at my arm making everyone look. People start laughing at me, calling me an attention whore." This one was earlier in my relationship with my current boyfriend before complete trust was established. I'd dream about him leaving me for a friend I introduced him to... Details are sketchy Another was one where I'd died... I was attending my funeral.. I don't think I've ever cried like I did that day when I woke up
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Joseph’s metaphor of complex as a bright sun that eclipses countless possibly positive things really resonated with me. Very grateful I found this episode. ❤
Miss you Jennifer Christine lamprecht, you mean alot to me , hope your alright.
What a fanastically elucidating candour emanating from each speaker in this humble conversation. I'm a young man trying to grasp with the rudiments of Jungian psychology and on a quest to restore certain developmental arrests, complexes (specifically my Puer Aeternus..) and a history of complex childhood trauma. I feel rejuvinated and introspective now and take keen notes towards my own comprehension. Thank you for the content and channel.
Ditto! These podcasts are so insightful. Helps me with my journaling and coming to terms with my puer aeternus
I absolutely love your podcasts.Nice to actually hear people talk about Jungian ideas who know what they are talking about.There has been somewhat of a revival of Jung but few people seem to really understand many of his ideas and theories".You elucidate and explain them so well
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What a wonderful episode. I've always had difficulties understanding the concept of the complex. You've made it very clear and practical. I need to re-listen while taking notes! Thank you.
This was a very helpful presentation, thank you!
This was not a dream. This happened to me in waking life. When I told my grandmother, my mother's mother, that I had been accepted into law school, she screwed up her face and spat out with disdain, "You think you're smarter than the rest of us." I live with a complex that thinks I'm some sort of "less than" being. Yet I also know I live a life my female ancestors would and did die for! Autonomy, freedom, independence, and the resources to enjoy all that on the physical, psychic and spiritual levels.
This episode is one of my all time favorites.
17:10 brilloant suggestiom. Wow!
30:0 lisa’s point here is very insightful.
This was super good! I'm going to send this around because it's such a thorough analysis. I thought the dream analysis hit a lot of angles and was quite complete. I might add that the queen could also the alchemical archetype of the individuated woman and the cleaning of the trash, while it did seem to be in the context of the "audience", also points to the necessary shadow work which is the prima materia or first work of individuation.
45:00 wow. This is really powerful.
Some thoughts about the symbolism of the dream at the end: I follow an artist who does work on symbolism, who said that, religiously, the number 6 is the number of "a man," or humanity, and that 7 is the perfect number because it allows for the remnant, or the things that don't fit in or are on the border or "margin." It was interesting to me that at 6:00 the dreamer is sitting on the "right hand of the mother." That seems to me to be all her terrestrial work and responsibility to be the feminine "right hand man" of the matriarch. Sitting on the right hand of the throne is a place of honor, but the ascendence is taking on the mantle for yourself and assuming the heavy crown. There's a lot of anima/animus in these archetypal roles to me. Like the yin/yang of ruling, order, chaos, and the tyranny of that job. The dreamer is being warned that the work is thankless and not fulfilling of self, but she is being given the choice to take it on. Standing with one foot in order and one foot in chaos is balance between responsibility and creativity, and is by that nature, fulfilling. This artist I follow also pointed out that things that are on the right are drawn in, and things on the left are pushed away. You see this in Christian iconography with the two fingers on the right, uplifted and the left hand down and pushing away. This is your choice. You can be drawn in or pushed away, but you can't have them both at the same time. I think this means she should not tie herself down, but remain flexible so she can respond when she wants to participate in the order, and leave when she wants to live for herself.
Fascinating. When you were talking about DID, I found myself thinking about interviews I've heard with serial killers who describe blacking out/being possessed by something that sounds like it could be a complex. I wonder if that is actually what's happening with them.
me too. i wonder
Micharl thats fascinating. We had a tenant try to kill a fellow tenant in a co-living house with a knife and then set fire to the property (arrested, bailed, pending prosecition). We are now disputing her deposit eith evidence and Police documentstion, crime references, etc. She attests no damage done. I, too, wonder if this is a complex with extreme repression going on. Still remains an extremely dangerous individual, of course. Further support for this idea is that it emerged there is a long history or knives and arson (including parental property). I believe the presence of a pattern sugfests complex.
Are the the three of you doing therapy?
I’d like to know if I can schedule with you.
Thanks
Is it that complexes are similar to large, unexplored lands, and that to gain liberation, one needs to slowly explore said land over a long time and with many experiences? (In essence, creating a counter-complex.) Or is the process of liberation more like a super-cooled fluid? Where exploration doesn’t yield many obvious results until one day, there is a sharp change and (like the fluid instantly freezing) the ego suddenly frees itself from the complex?
Complexes are similar to “parts” in Internal Family Systems
Complex are emotions that gather around ideas about self and the world usually feelings of inferiority whether sexual or social
Emotional Complexes ≠ Rational Feeling Tones Cognitive Function. There might be an Animus conflating these two very distinct experiences. Introverted Feeling Tones are extremely distinct experiences from Emotion. Maybe this isn’t the case with Extraverted Feeling, but there is definitely a distinction between Fi and Emotions.
I think Jung made a distinction between Feeling Tones and Emotion[al] Complexes. I’m not sure if these in some way might be conflated or combined in Extraverted Feeling dom, but I’ve had the pleasure of experiencing Introverted Feeling Tones and these were a very different experience to emotions. Emotions are irrational and reactive. At least Introverted Feeling is rational evaluating based upon Feeling Tones. When we combine Rational Feeling Tones with Emotional Complexes in our conceptualization we’ve completely destroyed the understanding of Rational Introverted Feeling Function.
Btw, speaking of the numinous, did Jung ever speculate as to who/what the Dreammaker is? Book recommendations appreciated!
Her nightmare dreams
"One...
I'm in a dark room. I can see an old friend of mine. We were so perfect. She is walking away with another girl. Looks like they are talking about me and laughing. I try to catch up but they walk away and the start making fun of my mental health. My arm starts bleeding from some open cuts. She screams and points at my arm making everyone look. People start laughing at me, calling me an attention whore."
This one was earlier in my relationship with my current boyfriend before complete trust was established. I'd dream about him leaving me for a friend I introduced him to... Details are sketchy
Another was one where I'd died... I was attending my funeral.. I don't think I've ever cried like I did that day when I woke up
5:20 autonomy of complexes.
Podcast starts at 32:31
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Identity is the most powerful auto pilot in the world
Complexes are attachments that produce cognitive dissonance and are not easily discarded.
Dream 50:19
When the sun sets you can see the stars ..and a broccoli complex hehe.
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