I dont wanna flame the guy, its hard to know how much you don't know when learning a new skill and He doesn't need social media backlash for being a human HOWEVER. As soon as I read the title I knew he was gonna learn today xD
@@cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley dont get me wrong he DEF needed to hear it neace is right in everyway its just i remember when i was bronze years ago and i knew i was bad but i had no clue that there was such a gap between me and high elo or even in like gold and plat ya know? only after you play the game for so long and improve and you look back that its literally not even the same world (and im only plat rn) I now realize there is so much ive learned and millions more to learn and play to be even close to where neace is
People are stubborn and not willing to listen nowadays. Same thing happened when I was on a wrestling team, it was always the newest people talking back and telling the coach they are wrong
@@Mcjagger2023 You seriously just started last week? Just work on csing and not making stupid plays. Try to play as many champions as you possibly can to get at least and understanding of their threat ranges. That's the most important thing to do when you're a newbie.
i prefer learning on my own than buying a coach for many reasons.. and whether some1 argues with neaces' gameplay or not - i definitely have to agree with ur statement.. just like im running 10km+ a day n 2015 i went in unviersity to learn coaching for athletes, and 2017 teacher for p.e. schools 2 bachelours, whether i agreed with some discomfortable exercises n theories on training or not - i never questioned the methods, i just wanted to see how it doen officially, regardless of whether i have my own theories n what is mroe correct or not -- never question coaches that you payed money for. Try their thing, see if it works out - you can always test ur own things sooner or later when u're on ur own.. // or rather u can qusetion them But with a learning perspective/principal, not straight up refuse what they are telling u to do.. trust them, if it fails - ask them why it failed, was it a very very evry small chance, rare game that it faield..etc.
@@Mcjagger2023 Also biggest help I can give a newbie is just don't blindly follow your teammates. If you know what they're doing is bad don't try to salvage it and be a hero. Obviously you won't know every thing is bad or good yet, but you obviously know an adc running at 3+ enemies means you should not follow. Like Neace says, just cuz a play turned out positive doesn't mean it was the right call. Result oriented mindset will hold you back.
Imo there is literally nothing wrong with questioning a coach. In the end if you made the wrong decision you will know either way. It’s all about learning and not so much about if you win or lose this game
I always dreaded seeing those teachers in school that made you feel like you were stupid or being rude for not understanding or asking questions. This was uncomfortable to watch
Idk. People hate on this guy but I think his form of coaching is simply abrupt, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Arguing with a coach/superior is never the move. He’s a coach for a reason! I don’t even play this game but find these videos interesting from a psychology standpoint 😂
I don’t know how it’s not frustrating to not be able to see anything the entire game. Without Neace every play he makes must just be a guess. Every R is a coinflip
@johail3510 I'm a beginner still, and I can confirm something feels really... "wrong" when my own character is offscreen. Like I'm just gonna automatically walk into my death or something. I'm aware that it's bad, so I'm fighting the habit now ❤
I love these videos confirming that junglers are literally just filling a role they think is good at low rank. They have no clue how to play it at even a basic level
@@SleepyFawn look at the game as a 5v5. the reason it feels "wrong" when your own characters is not centered is because you aren't putting enough attention to whatever else is happening. your mindset should be playing league as a game holistically while centered camera makes it more of playing XYZ character
@@puhoyzzee4364 thank you not once did he say "thanks" "oh yeah you're right" oh, okay nice", nothing. either "yea" or silent when neace is giving him tips or suggestions. idk dude seemed kinda cocky
The sion ganks never worked because he never tried to get behind him so he couldn't ult out, if he did that sion would have died to most of those ganks.
@@TobbeDraws No you are thinking of it from ONLY your perspective. Sion would be pushing forward if he is pushing into your base, so saying to get behind him is correct. He didn't ult forward to safety, he ulted backwards to safety.
It's good that he's so blunt about everything, it'll make every lesson stick better. Not to mention, like he said, he wants them to get value out of their money, and they won't get that value unless they're learning. If he's nice and passive and not nitpicking every little mistake, they aren't learning.
This...this reminds me EXACTLY of how a Kitchen Nightmares episode plays out like. A dude that has no idea what he's doing asks help from a world class professional and then argues with said professional when what he said didn't sit right with his ego until he f*cks up and learns the hard way 😂
@@demon5965 guy paid literally a Coach to ingore and argue the coaches input in the beginning of the video bro. Just put that into any scenario where a coach is involved lmao
@@wotizlove this is delusional, he stated his reasoning on why he faltered the play all that needed to happen was telling him that cds were down and to focus on cd timers to guage whether to commit to a fight.
@@dh4917 yeahhh he didn’t really get humbled I’m confused. He was just used to playing passively and didn’t know his limits, which neace corrected. Same with his camera movement, he was chastised over and over, he’s just stuck in that way.
5:00 The student knows Vi well enough that he says her Q interupts his ult, but she literally full comboed him with Q and E. Instead of ulting her when Neace said, he waited until her Q was off cooldown again and she used it to dash away back to tower. That was a shame, but we learn most from our mistakes.
I remember all too well what it was like to physically see a champion use their skills and to still believe that they could use them again instantly. Turns out it helps to pay attention to more than just what you are doing, otherwise you can miss a lot of obvious stuff.
@@DamianSzajnowski everyone who ever says or repeats this but still thinks capitalism is cool should be forced to learn about Gulf of Tonkin, Reichstag fire, operation cyclone, the "rebels" who became ISIS, 9/11 being an inside job, and diocletians problem reaction solution
I’m so glad I got off of locked camera immediately after I started playing. If you learn things the right way, you’ll never have to correct it. I only use locked camera for half a second in order to re-center it after I look around the map
I have friends who have been playing for 4+ years and they refuse to use free cam, it hurts to watch their gameplay. The worst part is that they’re not even bad at the game, they’re just missing out on so much information.
None of this ever felt like he was arguing. Seemed much more like an "Oh, I thought I should do this because this and this." If anything it sounded like he's trying to understand better why you're telling him to make the plays he does.
I agree honestly and it seemed he had actuals questions about it. Considering that most league players have to develop mindsets to play the game its not like he's instantly gonna absorb everything without knowing why. I understand the rank gap but still it's a learning process to accept the info.
Coach guy is a bit quick to snap. The player doesn't seem to have ego issues, just doesn't understand. Like the clip, he didn't notice Vi used q. So he didn't understand he could ult. He probably should've just followed instructions anyway but he wasn't trying to challenge neace
Agreed, my biggest problem with this coaching is he doesn’t explain why he tells him to do the things. You don’t learn much unless you know why you’re doing it. Especially at this low elo.
@@sharkle9 It is an ego issue. Ego doesn't always mean portraying an arrogant attitude, verballing saying you're the shit. The fact that he distrusts, values his own thought processes more while he's in Iron and not humbling himself and respecting the players vastly better than him, means internally he still is thinking that Neace could possibly be wrong and that he himself is considering things the coach hasn't thought of. He doesn't need to "act" cocky to have an ego.
I honestly dont blame the guy sometimes it feels like what you've found works better for yourself or trusting your own experience is the right call and its hard to listen to advice, clearly the guy want to improve as he paid for coaching, he probably just has hard time taking advice doesent mean hes a bad person
I agree. Sometimes certain people need to mix well with their teachers or coaches and develop a level of respect and trust before they can really start making progress and sometimes it's just better for people to learn on their own and figure out what fits them.
He's fucking iron PAYING for a player thats faaaar passed diamond into masters... Remember, he PAID for this help... Then he doesnt listen... You gotta be a special kinda dumb for that. And it's league, not a life changing decision either.
@@Ghost1170 youre the reason why the league community is coming to shit, in any form of competition, questioning a coach is super common. Some people always question deeply into things and dont listen to certain things. You can literally see him doing it to some of his own plays. Youre just being an ass shitting on this person
I totally agree... Sometimes people need to understand the stuff for themselves and questioning the coach or teacher isn't bad at all. In the same way if there's a maths problem and the teacher just gives u the answer right away without letting u try use ur brain the student will not understand anything what and how he did
I really don’t understand how so many people play with locked screen. Even when I first started it drove me nuts and the first thing I asked was how to turn it the hell off.
No idea either. Maybe because people play less diverse games today? I played a lot of Diablo II as a kid, but also RPG, real-time strategy games and such. So playing locked did not make a lot of sense playing LoL. But today I think a lot of people play maybe a handfuld of online games because of the competitive aspect. So they might not be used to playing different games?
I only started playing league a few months ago and up until about two weeks ago I was on lock screen. I think learning the game and all the mechanics (to a degree, I am still really shit lmao) was easier when I didn't have to focus on moving the camera as well. It was pretty disorienting having to move the camera and the player (especially since League is the first game I have played with a mechanic like that). I have gotten pretty used to unlocked screen in the past couple weeks, but to sympathize with the people using locked that is probably the reason most of the locked screeners stay like that. Made it easier to learn and they just got used to it.
That guy actually puts a lot of effort in this game, I hope he will improve on his flaws. Camera movement wise it might be useful for him and other people to know that you can adjust the camera movement speed to your liking which really helps a lot when you dont want the camera to move too fast
Yeah fiddle has a lot more going on because you have to deal with abilities AND items. Without items he isn't viable. He'll probably be big braining soon.
its not the speed that gets me, it's that I end up accidentally moving the screen in fights cus of poor mouse control and then I lose track of the champions and it just goes to shit XD
@@hendojr3296 Go play an RTS for a month and then go back to LoL 😉 (not AoE but something like C&C, Starcraft or Warhammer 40k Dawn of War) Trust me you'll fix that problem quick I played C&C at a high level (top 20 and won some international tourneys) before coming to league. And honestly that is such an amazing foundation to fixing your problem. I think Neace used to play Starcraft, which would explain why he hammers so much on looking around map and watching what's happening. (i mean it's super important DUHHH but he seems to hammer on this more than most coaches. And i think that's why)
@@NemYan see, when I began play LOL 5 years ago, i switched space to be my attack move quickcast, so when im kiting i can use it really easily lol. It's a noob move I know, but 5 years of muscle memory is tough to get rid of.
@@BlackMoridin bro, I'm so much better with controller games, mouse and keyboard didn't get introduced into my life until I was already like 17 years old... big sad
I mean "he bought a coach and doesnt listen"-bs aside. It is REALLY hard for people, and more so for gamers, to admit to yourself that you are making mistakes. I see this ALOT with friends who i play with when i tell them they could have done better. They always find excuses for why they did certain stuff i critizied. So for him being in a similar mindset and holding his stuff together and changing his mind right after Neace told him that he needs to trust him is actually really admireable.
i know what u mean, i kinda was like that, now i have tendency that when people point out my errors i kinda do the opposite, aknowledge that i did bad and instead of interioricing i just assume im bad at the game and dont search for improvement sometimes when im tilted i also say "i know, i am horrible at the game" or something of that lines and just make people playing feel bad.
well, to fix stuff, you need to first be aware that it’s broken. Knowing you make mistakes is the #0 step to improve. The first being to spot them and the second to fix them. When you watch lol players, you notice that the higher the rank, the more they blame themselves.
@@raphaelnej8387so true i Play with different Kind of Skill lvl Players and the best Mate (mechaniy but mostly insane Gamesense) i know also from irl is the one thats even after WE Take e.g. a kill in botlane He blames ONLY himself for Not takinh Double and kinda explains IT to himself and the Rest of US what Buttons He couldve pressed to make the Situation even more valuable. Mates in my Elo tend to Pick a random Mate and write Diff in all chat
typical league player cannot admit his own mistakes thats why a lot of them can't get higher rank 800 games and still bad rank? "ITS BECAUSE I HAVE FEEDERS ALL THE TIME!" xD
There’s a MASSIVE difference between your friends just trying to have fun, and you berating them for their mistakes, and this dude paying to have someone explain to him what he’s doing wrong and still not listening
I mean I completely understand this because I was first introduced league during like an esports camp type thing and not having ever played mobs before, it wasn’t just intimidating, it just seemed impossible. The amount of time you need to put in the league and the amount of knowledge that you need to absorb just to make it to like gold is insane. This guy though seemed like he was a little bit less of a new person getting frustrated over not understanding things and rather thought that he knew what he was doing and had a bit of an ego.
i've always played fps and can pick up any fps and instantly be like plat level but i feel like an absolute retard trying to play moba or rts. actually insane how difficult it is to be even half decent
Theres literally NOTHING wrong with locked camera. Its the REFUSING to utilize the camera control that makes players bad. I play with locked screen and have consisitently reached D4 every season since season 6
wdym that he argues shows that he has some good understanding and that he is thinking on his own while playing. Thats a good thing. He just lacked the awareness.
Bush is my friend. In my first season i got silver and had 0 idea what I am doing and by watching neave in the first season i reached gold 1 ,then diamond. And rn im trying to get master ,and I am rewatching ur content . I really like your content and its for free ,so clear and entertaining.
Got gripped at last night for "not ganking enough", I was 3/0/2. 40+cs ahead of other jungle and got 4 levels ahead of him..... 😂 Watching your videos on grinding farm and being more efficient have been hella key 🙏
Had a mid laner get solo killed in the first 3 minutes and then proceed to go 0/5/1 while ignoring all my pings and having quite possibly the slowest lee sin mechanics I've ever seen in my life I was 5/0/1 and up 20 cs on enemy jg buuut according to him it was a jungle gap He then flamed my elo as well despite him being the second worst player on the team lmao (my top laner ended lane phase 0/8/1 and also died in under 3 minutes) tis the jungle lyfe Laners can't lane? Jungle diff
Idk what happened in that game but it's a team game you being ahead alone doesn't really matter so if you weren't ganking enough then your teammates might have a point you had a lead go help the others then again I don't know what happened I'm just basing it of what you said.
Honestly idk why everyones trippin and saying hes insulting the coach by "arguing" or discussing with him.. wtf is he going to learn if he just does exactly what de coach wants. Better he talks about it and he can tell him why..
I’ve been playing for almost 4 years and I just hit gold this season after been stuck in silver since I started. I literally started watching Neace coachings on YT and it boosted me to gold mid of this season. Not hard to listen to a coach.
it might be helpful for people to lower their camera scrolling sensitivity. It's huge part of learning unlocked camera. Also, unbinding locked camera altogether would be helpful too
Looking at the price of neaces coaching and then seeing people like this continues to blow my mind. He knows what hes talking about. And its expensive. Why bother even arguing when you paid for an expensive fee just to try and prove yourself
I have a friend who STRUGGLED getting out of iron. He's been playing since season 2-3. What I can say from seeing him is that you get to iron if you don't care enough, have 0 farming skills and basically wander around expecting to get carried. To sum up you're iron if you play ranked just for funzies and not care enough
@@Haurent I don't care and play just for funzies.... Ranked... And never been lower than gold. I've played on friends iron accounts and couldn't lose if i wanted to
@@BlackMoridin like yeah same, I dont legit sweat literally every game, and sometimes I would literally even basically run it down, but have never been ranked below gold besides my 1st ranked back in s3 where I dropped in Silver2, s4 till s10, never been below Gold or even touched around G5 even if I had like basically almost every 5 game losing streaks. Like its almost impossible to do so.
To be honest other than not following instructions without question,the guy played way better than most silver players I have seen or myself included too
he wants to be right he doesn't want to win. look i seen jg player in low elo the thing they lack most is confidence the reason is because they play most of the game PVE, and when they have to scramble they lack confidence.
Maybe I just don't know what it's like down there but I gotta imagine most silver players can press q after they ult. It's a point and click that he repeatedly just didn't use even with a coach in his ear. I feel like if Neace wasn't making all his decisions for him his play would stick out more.
Idk if I agree with that one, I've seen much better iron players. His fiddle gameplay was pretty inefficient and he missed a lot of free kills and assists.
@@destinkane797 Thats the point I made about being silver ,because I have seen worst jungle players in my gold games and silver ones, I mean I know hes bad but have seen worse
IF anyone ever gets the bug where the inputs dont work, its because you accidentally pressed the button that is above tab, but below esc. Not sure of the name of the button.
I mean, you hire this one to be featured on his video more than actually learning from it. If you'd want to learn there are way better options (and usually cheaper lol).
When he said he couldn't smite I looked down at his abilities.. it's bound to Q. The whole time Neace is saying Q and E and W but Q and E are his smite and ward..
im baffled how his clear looks sooo good and his camera work triggers the fuck ouuta me.litterally allways ulting in blind. i'd shit my pants if i were to ult in like that
I've played half of one League game in my life years ago, but I really enjoy these videos even as someone who knows nothing. Idk how I got here but I like it.
Gotta say, what good does coaching do if he just tells you where to go and what to do? If I pay money, I'd hope to constantly learn about different options and which thoughts go into deciding which of them to take. This just seems largely pointless.
I like watching your thought process and patience. I used to jungle a lot, but I mainly moved to top and mid. I keep forgetting to patiently walk to lane and hide in bushes for the side lanes. I've did it before, but the idea of jungling faster throws me off and I end up missing out on patient ganks. I'll have to keep this in mind.
The comment on the side at 24:36 "People lose games to the people playing on locked camera. Your teammates feed these people" shook me. They're right. My teams lose to locked camera players.
Honestly, he probably just doesn't understand the play which is part of the reason he's in that elo. It's helpful for him to have it explained so he can continue the playstyle. Only thing I was curious about is why his QWER is bound to AWDS and flash is QF. Is that a common thing or is it something he taught himself?
19:25 Neace his face when he hit the minions with his E right after Neace mentioned to hit Sion with his R when he does knock-ups... Priceless. Had a good chuckle!
Idk, but didn't seem too nice from the coaches perspective too. This dude is iron and does not know why he makes mistakes. Instead of explaining things thoroughly, he just shouts calls, without showing him why he should do the call. No explanation on recall timings, focusing etc. This player probably doesn't even know how most of these champs work, since he is iron and was around lvl 70 at the time. Would expect from such a coach that he would explain why the calls are good, in a calmer and more understanding way. Instead of that he just screamed like a 12 yo that he is insane at league, so he has to listen to him. Yes his calls were all 100% right, but that doesn't explain him being a jerk
@@AntonioLopez-kw3ev this is a very ignorant take in my opinion, I'd like to understand your reasoning for this assumption, or at least what i believe to be an assumption
Bush is my friend - lol love your content man , you probably dont need to worry about pushing your content because your community probably does that for you already . I send your vids to my buddies at least once or twice a week.
By the end of the video the guy became a student and was listening and doing what the coach said. That in itself made it a successful coaching session.
Prett bad coaching tbh. Ur telling him what do to, not why he should do it. Consequently, he’s not rly learning the reasoning behind any of the plays ur telling him to do, so when the coaching finishes he won’t have u in his ear giving play by plays and won’t have the understanding of what he should do through his own tuition.
if you ever get the "i can't click anything what's happening" its because you toggled the target champions only thingy. look at cursor, it becomes filled with red. i had to restart my client at least 10 games to figure that out...
The biggest difference being most of the time you're receiving unsolicited advice/criticism, but here Neace was quite literally solicited for the bargain price of $250+ to then get the same response from him as though he was some rando trashing him. You would think there would be a vested interest in listening to what he had to say, but I guess learning to listen is also part of the value of getting coached.
@@DarkCyberElf I've learned a ton from random players in my games over the years. If it makes sense I can see that no matter who says it. I'm willing to learn.
80% of silver and below players think they are there thanks to their shitty teams and they are better than that. Of course its not true, but they refuse to admit they have an extremely below average skill level
@@marianominino7264 everytime i get to plat it really FEELS like team gap every game. Then i remember im actually a gold player and im probably just not playing well enough. [Edit] and i have friends who are silver 2 who are always extremely vocal on comms and trying to shot call and blame the rest of us when everyone can see that they are just not looking at the map. Its really obnoxious.
I totally feel for this guy. when i first started league for the first year or something I would quit the client and reopen it mid game whenever i accidentaly turned on target champ only lol
he may have smaller hands so it makes sense, larger hands able to ctrl+ability to level it up, smaller hands might find it more difficult so shifting them down a row seems legit and logical, but that is assuming he has that issue as well
21:04 "ult and aim at the tristana", proceeds to miss trist entirely bc player REFUSES to look at the fights, despite being told over and over and over, ALL game, to look at the action. Personally glad iron exits for players just like this.
I'm surprised Neace doesn't tell these players to unbind their space bar until they learn to look around them. Imagine if Neace didn't tell him to put his HUD at zero? He would've never seen the Sion.
if you are used to moving your keys and mouse a certain way its hard to imediatly fix it tho.. he didnt refuse at all and totaly undertood that he needs to look more at the action.
My steps for learning. Do the thing the teacher is telling me to do, and then after, if I don't understand WHY I was told to do it that is when I start asking. Because the goal is to be able to make those decisions when the coach or the teacher ISN'T there.
*_I think it has to do with the fact that he is so long stuck in an environment.. that is hard to adapt, if you yourself can't see the oppertunities/change_*
Oh yeah that's a good way of putting it, he's keeping a little too real if that's the right way of putting it. Like if I just told him what/how I was thinking and he just started harping on me that I'm not listening or not just doing what I am told instead of him explaining why my reasoning is wrong it would definitely rub me the wrong way.
Used to have a B5 buddy, before Iron existed - that would constantly tell our diamond/plat friends we would have won fights had we just listened to him. My friends list got 1 person lighter pretty quick lol
this is how I feel being plat playing since season 2 trying to coach my iron-silver friends. They always think they know better but their LP says otherwise
@@Ltnuggetv3 You do realize that like 90% of players never reach plat? By that point most actually have insane game knowledge, but either can't implement it or don't have time to play enough games to climb further. I reached Diamond 3 last season (10), but only reached plat 4 this season (11). I also played about 500 less matches this season. I have faced people in diamond that could easily reach challenger if they had enough time in life to put into league.
@@LunchMeatTrump Insane game knowledge in plat? Hell no brother. If anything, what plat players have is good enough mechanics to be in that 10% and MAYBE enough macro knowledge to help them win SOME games. Game sense is still severely lacking in the large majority of cases. To the original point, yes a plat player has a lot of information to offer an iron player, but to the other guys point, a lot of that information is probably flawed...lol. Players don't really start to have any real game sense until d3+ (from my experience for what it's worth) and even there it's limited in comparison what to masters+ consider good game sense...never mind challenger. There are levels to everything as they say...
This guys attitude is pretty accurate for a decent amount of low elo players. I am a diamond jungle main and support fill. Whenever my bronze friend wants me to boost him to gold, I usually queue as ADC with him (support main). I try to coach him while we play telling when to ward, how to track enemy jungler, when to engage, when to fight and not run, etc but a lot of times he thinks the same way as the guy in the video where he has his own thoughts like oh I think this was better at the time. And I’ll be like, so you were just ignore what im trying to tell you and he’ll be like yeah. Which at his level of play isn’t really hard where I can still 1 v 2 botlane. But it’s like im trying to teach him, but he won’t listen. I think part of the reason is they don’t keep track of abilities, how long the general cooldown is, and so thy think everything is always up
@@admaanhason7410 yeah it's bad but the other guy's reasons are just that he's delusional. "I don't want Vi to interrupt my ult."-- Vi clearly Q's on vision. "I killed MF without smiting".... --No MF died to Teemo shrooms. "I don't think it's faster to use blast plant." It's objectively faster.-- What do you even say to delusion? Homie just plays the victim card against every bit of criticism. That's the biggest reason he's in iron.
@@admaanhason7410 Really? I expect them to just know that they're bad and to accept criticism because they are the lowest possible rank in the game that paid $200 for coaching from someone better. Maybe my standards are just too high.
Quick tip. I'd probably say for wen you are on top of Sion with *whatever* but in this case Fiddle ult stand behind him so he can't ult away or at least has a harder time doing so.
Honest to god I'm about to pay Neace for coaching just so I can let the man have an easy to coach client. I swear listening to instructions should not be this difficult.
I swear it was one of the reasons I got coaching, I wasn't sure if I was going to give him a hard time but I was certainly going to try not to... After a while it gets confusing how many people question his credentials when there is so much video evidence that suggests he knows what he's talking about 95% of the time (and more often than not 100% of the time knows better than whoever is being coached).
NEACE UNDERSTANDS THE GAME, but as a coach he sucks. I wouldnt want to hear his complains about every move you make. Its okay to be humbled but its heartbreaking at the same time to be called stupid on every possible way, nah il figure a way out myself one day, without no "I GET PAID FOR PLAYING". Zero professionalism.
You know I think Neace gets a little concieted sometimes. Yeah he paid for you, you're not paying for him to be there.. Instead of telling him to do everything exactly, teach him why he should be doing it.
I cant lie, ive watch multiple videos from this guy and its safe to say ill never pay for “coaching” i understand that their better but yelling at people who pay you for a service is the least bit professional.
Different people need different things from their coaches. Some people mesh with this style. I know I don't, but I can appreciate the need in the community.
@@verbo240 how is it fucked? Neace is a douchebag. He is the MOST unprofessional coach ive seen & the fact that ive watched taranzed coach before and im saying that speaks volumes
dude its a paid coach , not a paid dad , you give tips on improving the gameplay and letting him know what he did wrong and help with strategy's , you cant just play for him , just talk to him , you may be good but you got hella attitude.
To be fair I think especially in lol it's easy to get frustrated because it's 1. Hard to learn and 2. If you make a mistake in the first 5 minutes you have to suffer for at least 15 more minutes
Neace I think it's good on you telling them to only worry about Ult Q if you tell someone who is still trying to get used to Fiddle telling them to R>Q>Protobelt>Run up>E when the Fear runs out>W>Zonias if you get low is a bit too overwhelming starting off🤣
My concern with Neace is that he tells you what to do and almost never explains why. Not a good coach in my opinion, at least not for most people. Being told what to do doesnt help a person improve if they dont know why they are doing it. Theyll just try to recreate what they were told to do in a pervious interaction and die for it
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I dont wanna flame the guy, its hard to know how much you don't know when learning a new skill and He doesn't need social media backlash for being a human HOWEVER. As soon as I read the title I knew he was gonna learn today xD
I think it's pretty easy to have an idea of how little you know about the game when you are in the lowest tier possible
@@cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley Lol
@@cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley You should look up the dunning-kruger effect
@@CorrosiveCitrus eh, i'll give you that
@@cheeks_of_the_boreal_valley dont get me wrong he DEF needed to hear it neace is right in everyway its just i remember when i was bronze years ago and i knew i was bad but i had no clue that there was such a gap between me and high elo or even in like gold and plat ya know? only after you play the game for so long and improve and you look back that its literally not even the same world (and im only plat rn) I now realize there is so much ive learned and millions more to learn and play to be even close to where neace is
I can't imagine PAYING for a coach and then not listening to what he has to say. If Neace says jump you ask how high
No friend, if Neace asks you to jump you jump. If he wants you to jump higher he'll tell you.
If he asks you to jump you ask on who. This neace loves jumping on people
@@DontHearNoEvil The answer is usually whoever you have your camera on. And if you have your camera on yourself, you have a whole other problem.
@@bendystrawz2832 lmao what
@@ItachiKai Said it before I could.
imagine buying a coach and telling him "I am not doing that, it wouldn't work"... did I miss a page on how coaching works or something?
People are stubborn and not willing to listen nowadays. Same thing happened when I was on a wrestling team, it was always the newest people talking back and telling the coach they are wrong
@@Mcjagger2023 You seriously just started last week? Just work on csing and not making stupid plays. Try to play as many champions as you possibly can to get at least and understanding of their threat ranges. That's the most important thing to do when you're a newbie.
i prefer learning on my own than buying a coach for many reasons.. and whether some1 argues with neaces' gameplay or not - i definitely have to agree with ur statement.. just like im running 10km+ a day n 2015 i went in unviersity to learn coaching for athletes, and 2017 teacher for p.e. schools 2 bachelours, whether i agreed with some discomfortable exercises n theories on training or not - i never questioned the methods, i just wanted to see how it doen officially, regardless of whether i have my own theories n what is mroe correct or not -- never question coaches that you payed money for. Try their thing, see if it works out - you can always test ur own things sooner or later when u're on ur own.. // or rather u can qusetion them But with a learning perspective/principal, not straight up refuse what they are telling u to do.. trust them, if it fails - ask them why it failed, was it a very very evry small chance, rare game that it faield..etc.
@@Mcjagger2023 Also biggest help I can give a newbie is just don't blindly follow your teammates. If you know what they're doing is bad don't try to salvage it and be a hero. Obviously you won't know every thing is bad or good yet, but you obviously know an adc running at 3+ enemies means you should not follow. Like Neace says, just cuz a play turned out positive doesn't mean it was the right call. Result oriented mindset will hold you back.
Imo there is literally nothing wrong with questioning a coach. In the end if you made the wrong decision you will know either way. It’s all about learning and not so much about if you win or lose this game
I always dreaded seeing those teachers in school that made you feel like you were stupid or being rude for not understanding or asking questions.
This was uncomfortable to watch
Idk. People hate on this guy but I think his form of coaching is simply abrupt, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Arguing with a coach/superior is never the move. He’s a coach for a reason! I don’t even play this game but find these videos interesting from a psychology standpoint 😂
Do u play league 😂
His coachings are publicly visible. You know what you sign up
I don’t know how it’s not frustrating to not be able to see anything the entire game. Without Neace every play he makes must just be a guess. Every R is a coinflip
@johail3510 I'm a beginner still, and I can confirm something feels really... "wrong" when my own character is offscreen. Like I'm just gonna automatically walk into my death or something. I'm aware that it's bad, so I'm fighting the habit now ❤
I love these videos confirming that junglers are literally just filling a role they think is good at low rank. They have no clue how to play it at even a basic level
@@SleepyFawn look at the game as a 5v5. the reason it feels "wrong" when your own characters is not centered is because you aren't putting enough attention to whatever else is happening. your mindset should be playing league as a game holistically while centered camera makes it more of playing XYZ character
He didn't seem terrible to coach, but definitely needed the reality check.
he doesn't know how to take criticism and give respect. maybe he just wanted a coach to validate him and tell him his team sucks
@@puhoyzzee4364 thank you
not once did he say "thanks" "oh yeah you're right" oh, okay nice", nothing. either "yea" or silent when neace is giving him tips or suggestions. idk dude seemed kinda cocky
@@yurilopes420 Also he was very quick to complain whenever his teammates did something bad, while he is same rank and making the same mistakes
Lowkey narcissist student
@@puhoyzzee4364 it was literally like 20 seconds throughout the whole video LOL touch fucking grass
The sion ganks never worked because he never tried to get behind him so he couldn't ult out, if he did that sion would have died to most of those ganks.
you mean in front :P well i guess depends on the pov
@@_LightsOut_ no, sion can choose whichever way to ult with his cursor, where he's walking doesn't matter
Exactly.. I killed Sion on every single one of those ganks....
When he r he never follow with camera and it makes him just stand still not throwing burst and if he dose soon die 10/10 times
@@TobbeDraws No you are thinking of it from ONLY your perspective. Sion would be pushing forward if he is pushing into your base, so saying to get behind him is correct. He didn't ult forward to safety, he ulted backwards to safety.
Watching these videos is so insightful to how people actually play league of legends. Evaluating my teammates makes so much more sense now.
Understanding my teammates is more important than my actual ability.
Yea I always wondered wtf was going in with my team but now I see.
Thats the reality of low elo gameplay. League is an anger management simulator until diamond 1.
It makes me sad knowing I do a lot of the things Neace tells them to do yet I’m in silver. Though I know what team you get is 50/50 troll at that elo.
40/60 troll, or are you counting yourself? :D
It's good that he's so blunt about everything, it'll make every lesson stick better. Not to mention, like he said, he wants them to get value out of their money, and they won't get that value unless they're learning. If he's nice and passive and not nitpicking every little mistake, they aren't learning.
This...this reminds me EXACTLY of how a Kitchen Nightmares episode plays out like. A dude that has no idea what he's doing asks help from a world class professional and then argues with said professional when what he said didn't sit right with his ego until he f*cks up and learns the hard way 😂
"Believe me what I'm about to say is not personal."
And I took that personally.
This is the most candid feedback I've seen Neace give anyone. Really on point coaching session. Glad the client humbled in the end.
Was he ever not humble?
@@demon5965 guy paid literally a Coach to ingore and argue the coaches input in the beginning of the video bro.
Just put that into any scenario where a coach is involved lmao
@@wotizlove this is delusional, he stated his reasoning on why he faltered the play all that needed to happen was telling him that cds were down and to focus on cd timers to guage whether to commit to a fight.
@@dh4917 yeahhh he didn’t really get humbled I’m confused. He was just used to playing passively and didn’t know his limits, which neace corrected. Same with his camera movement, he was chastised over and over, he’s just stuck in that way.
5:00 The student knows Vi well enough that he says her Q interupts his ult, but she literally full comboed him with Q and E. Instead of ulting her when Neace said, he waited until her Q was off cooldown again and she used it to dash away back to tower. That was a shame, but we learn most from our mistakes.
I remember all too well what it was like to physically see a champion use their skills and to still believe that they could use them again instantly. Turns out it helps to pay attention to more than just what you are doing, otherwise you can miss a lot of obvious stuff.
Or we keep repeating them - "The only thing we learn from history is the fact that we don't learn from history."
~I don't remember who
Negative conditioning
@@DamianSzajnowski everyone who ever says or repeats this but still thinks capitalism is cool should be forced to learn about Gulf of Tonkin, Reichstag fire, operation cyclone, the "rebels" who became ISIS, 9/11 being an inside job, and diocletians problem reaction solution
@@joshuacox5817 no one wants to talk about capitalism in the comment section of a league channel dedicated to helping people improve Jesus Christ lmao
I’m so glad I got off of locked camera immediately after I started playing. If you learn things the right way, you’ll never have to correct it. I only use locked camera for half a second in order to re-center it after I look around the map
I have friends who have been playing for 4+ years and they refuse to use free cam, it hurts to watch their gameplay. The worst part is that they’re not even bad at the game, they’re just missing out on so much information.
None of this ever felt like he was arguing. Seemed much more like an "Oh, I thought I should do this because this and this." If anything it sounded like he's trying to understand better why you're telling him to make the plays he does.
I agree honestly and it seemed he had actuals questions about it. Considering that most league players have to develop mindsets to play the game its not like he's instantly gonna absorb everything without knowing why. I understand the rank gap but still it's a learning process to accept the info.
Coach guy is a bit quick to snap. The player doesn't seem to have ego issues, just doesn't understand.
Like the clip, he didn't notice Vi used q. So he didn't understand he could ult. He probably should've just followed instructions anyway but he wasn't trying to challenge neace
@@sharkle9 exactly don’t get me wrong neace was correct but he didn’t give any room for the guy to think for his self
Agreed, my biggest problem with this coaching is he doesn’t explain why he tells him to do the things. You don’t learn much unless you know why you’re doing it. Especially at this low elo.
@@sharkle9 It is an ego issue. Ego doesn't always mean portraying an arrogant attitude, verballing saying you're the shit. The fact that he distrusts, values his own thought processes more while he's in Iron and not humbling himself and respecting the players vastly better than him, means internally he still is thinking that Neace could possibly be wrong and that he himself is considering things the coach hasn't thought of. He doesn't need to "act" cocky to have an ego.
I honestly dont blame the guy sometimes it feels like what you've found works better for yourself or trusting your own experience is the right call and its hard to listen to advice, clearly the guy want to improve as he paid for coaching, he probably just has hard time taking advice doesent mean hes a bad person
I agree. Sometimes certain people need to mix well with their teachers or coaches and develop a level of respect and trust before they can really start making progress and sometimes it's just better for people to learn on their own and figure out what fits them.
He's fucking iron PAYING for a player thats faaaar passed diamond into masters...
Remember, he PAID for this help...
Then he doesnt listen... You gotta be a special kinda dumb for that. And it's league, not a life changing decision either.
@@Ghost1170 youre the reason why the league community is coming to shit, in any form of competition, questioning a coach is super common. Some people always question deeply into things and dont listen to certain things. You can literally see him doing it to some of his own plays. Youre just being an ass shitting on this person
@@Ghost1170 Surely it does not make him "a special kinda dumb" in any sort of the way.
I totally agree... Sometimes people need to understand the stuff for themselves and questioning the coach or teacher isn't bad at all. In the same way if there's a maths problem and the teacher just gives u the answer right away without letting u try use ur brain the student will not understand anything what and how he did
I really don’t understand how so many people play with locked screen. Even when I first started it drove me nuts and the first thing I asked was how to turn it the hell off.
I know it felt terrible. But I seen some streamers do it with great success. Not my cup of tea though feels ugly.
No idea either. Maybe because people play less diverse games today? I played a lot of Diablo II as a kid, but also RPG, real-time strategy games and such. So playing locked did not make a lot of sense playing LoL. But today I think a lot of people play maybe a handfuld of online games because of the competitive aspect. So they might not be used to playing different games?
I only started playing league a few months ago and up until about two weeks ago I was on lock screen. I think learning the game and all the mechanics (to a degree, I am still really shit lmao) was easier when I didn't have to focus on moving the camera as well. It was pretty disorienting having to move the camera and the player (especially since League is the first game I have played with a mechanic like that). I have gotten pretty used to unlocked screen in the past couple weeks, but to sympathize with the people using locked that is probably the reason most of the locked screeners stay like that. Made it easier to learn and they just got used to it.
@@Maeggoel not the case. It's a case by case thing.
I was the same - but then I saw xPetu play with locked camera, and realized that it's not really that bad if you play to locked camera's strengths.
That guy actually puts a lot of effort in this game, I hope he will improve on his flaws. Camera movement wise it might be useful for him and other people to know that you can adjust the camera movement speed to your liking which really helps a lot when you dont want the camera to move too fast
Yeah fiddle has a lot more going on because you have to deal with abilities AND items. Without items he isn't viable. He'll probably be big braining soon.
its not the speed that gets me, it's that I end up accidentally moving the screen in fights cus of poor mouse control and then I lose track of the champions and it just goes to shit XD
@@hendojr3296 Go play an RTS for a month and then go back to LoL 😉 (not AoE but something like C&C, Starcraft or Warhammer 40k Dawn of War) Trust me you'll fix that problem quick
I played C&C at a high level (top 20 and won some international tourneys) before coming to league. And honestly that is such an amazing foundation to fixing your problem. I think Neace used to play Starcraft, which would explain why he hammers so much on looking around map and watching what's happening. (i mean it's super important DUHHH but he seems to hammer on this more than most coaches. And i think that's why)
@@NemYan see, when I began play LOL 5 years ago, i switched space to be my attack move quickcast, so when im kiting i can use it really easily lol. It's a noob move I know, but 5 years of muscle memory is tough to get rid of.
@@BlackMoridin bro, I'm so much better with controller games, mouse and keyboard didn't get introduced into my life until I was already like 17 years old... big sad
I mean "he bought a coach and doesnt listen"-bs aside. It is REALLY hard for people, and more so for gamers, to admit to yourself that you are making mistakes. I see this ALOT with friends who i play with when i tell them they could have done better. They always find excuses for why they did certain stuff i critizied. So for him being in a similar mindset and holding his stuff together and changing his mind right after Neace told him that he needs to trust him is actually really admireable.
i know what u mean, i kinda was like that, now i have tendency that when people point out my errors i kinda do the opposite, aknowledge that i did bad and instead of interioricing i just assume im bad at the game and dont search for improvement sometimes when im tilted i also say "i know, i am horrible at the game" or something of that lines and just make people playing feel bad.
well, to fix stuff, you need to first be aware that it’s broken.
Knowing you make mistakes is the #0 step to improve. The first being to spot them and the second to fix them.
When you watch lol players, you notice that the higher the rank, the more they blame themselves.
@@raphaelnej8387so true i Play with different Kind of Skill lvl Players and the best Mate (mechaniy but mostly insane Gamesense) i know also from irl is the one thats even after WE Take e.g. a kill in botlane He blames ONLY himself for Not takinh Double and kinda explains IT to himself and the Rest of US what Buttons He couldve pressed to make the Situation even more valuable. Mates in my Elo tend to Pick a random Mate and write Diff in all chat
typical league player cannot admit his own mistakes thats why a lot of them can't get higher rank
800 games and still bad rank? "ITS BECAUSE I HAVE FEEDERS ALL THE TIME!" xD
There’s a MASSIVE difference between your friends just trying to have fun, and you berating them for their mistakes, and this dude paying to have someone explain to him what he’s doing wrong and still not listening
God the locked camera just blindly clicking forward gives me anxiety
I cringed so hard when he didn’t walk up and hit the tristana. He gave up a dark harvest stack and gold….
Lol right? She would had died had he just sneezed on her but was like "Nah fam. I don't need that gold and stack!"
Lol right? She would had died had he just sneezed on her but was like "Nah fam. I don't need that gold and stack!"
@@PERSONAfan01 so what he is iron wtf did u expect
As someone who just started playing, I see these comments and it’s like a foreign language lol
If he learns clean fiddle combos he gets like 3 or 4 more kills or assists here. He hardly silenced sion, letting him ult away.
He also didn't move with his ult just stood still, could walk up behind sion many times and cancel his ult , was hard to watch that.
Did anybody else notice he has the spells bound to awds and then smite on q? This man scares me.
😂
I mean I completely understand this because I was first introduced league during like an esports camp type thing and not having ever played mobs before, it wasn’t just intimidating, it just seemed impossible. The amount of time you need to put in the league and the amount of knowledge that you need to absorb just to make it to like gold is insane. This guy though seemed like he was a little bit less of a new person getting frustrated over not understanding things and rather thought that he knew what he was doing and had a bit of an ego.
i've always played fps and can pick up any fps and instantly be like plat level but i feel like an absolute retard trying to play moba or rts. actually insane how difficult it is to be even half decent
😂I love how it always starts “believe me this is nothing personal what I’m about to say” 🤣
These are my favorite kind of coachings
By watching your stream, I've realized 90% of bad players play with locked screen.
Theres literally NOTHING wrong with locked camera. Its the REFUSING to utilize the camera control that makes players bad. I play with locked screen and have consisitently reached D4 every season since season 6
@@texasmedrano3224 Dude unlock your camera and you will be challengers l0l
@@Dizzykitty817 that is hilariously wrong
@@Dizzykitty817 Not everyone has a big monitor or plays on 1920x1080 res. Try playing with unlocked camera on a 19 inch monitor that runs 1360x768.
@@supersquare04 it was a joke, 4head.
And that's why he is iron to begin with!
And that's why he will never be in super smash bros.
@@raer5373 nigga what
wdym that he argues shows that he has some good understanding and that he is thinking on his own while playing. Thats a good thing. He just lacked the awareness.
Hmm... Matchups are rigged. If you're on a losing streak you get teams of noobs and people who are lower rank, as well as bots.
Is anyone in Iron who doesn’t actually try to be?
Bush is my friend.
In my first season i got silver and had 0 idea what I am doing and by watching neave in the first season i reached gold 1 ,then diamond. And rn im trying to get master ,and I am rewatching ur content . I really like your content and its for free ,so clear and entertaining.
The patience you have to have as a coach. Holy moly.
Got gripped at last night for "not ganking enough", I was 3/0/2. 40+cs ahead of other jungle and got 4 levels ahead of him..... 😂 Watching your videos on grinding farm and being more efficient have been hella key 🙏
Had a mid laner get solo killed in the first 3 minutes and then proceed to go 0/5/1 while ignoring all my pings and having quite possibly the slowest lee sin mechanics I've ever seen in my life
I was 5/0/1 and up 20 cs on enemy jg buuut according to him it was a jungle gap
He then flamed my elo as well despite him being the second worst player on the team lmao (my top laner ended lane phase 0/8/1 and also died in under 3 minutes) tis the jungle lyfe
Laners can't lane? Jungle diff
@@wyatt5167 Yep. Laner doesn't know how to lane and tries to trade level 1 vs level 2 with wave advantage and dies at like 2:30 minutes? JG diff.
Idk what happened in that game but it's a team game you being ahead alone doesn't really matter so if you weren't ganking enough then your teammates might have a point you had a lead go help the others then again I don't know what happened I'm just basing it of what you said.
@@Ahmed.4411... No
@@TheHopefulOneMyBroA2C4 idk you guys just seem like the typical teammate bad I'm good rather than look at your mistakes.
I just kept yelling, "Get in front of him!" Every time he fought Sion at any point. Could have easily killed him 3 or 4 more times by 30 min mark.
Yeah Lehman Brothers learned the same lesson trying to fight Scion
"scion" doesnt exist
@@akiriko1418 ?
@@stevanmiric5816 theres no "scion" in league of legends.
''Scion'' JAJAJAJAJAJA 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Did anyone else notice he upgraded his third ability (E) instead of his ult (R) at level 16?
I came looking for this. My jaw literally dropped
@@COWBOYMAN10 Did it now...
Umm it happens, even in mid+ elo
"I dont give a fuck what you think and I mean that in the niceset way!" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Honestly idk why everyones trippin and saying hes insulting the coach by "arguing" or discussing with him.. wtf is he going to learn if he just does exactly what de coach wants. Better he talks about it and he can tell him why..
I’ve been playing for almost 4 years and I just hit gold this season after been stuck in silver since I started. I literally started watching Neace coachings on YT and it boosted me to gold mid of this season. Not hard to listen to a coach.
Neace got these intros looking like jersey shore. I be so interested just to see what dramas gonna pop off.
Bush is my friend.
it might be helpful for people to lower their camera scrolling sensitivity. It's huge part of learning unlocked camera. Also, unbinding locked camera altogether would be helpful too
Looking at the price of neaces coaching and then seeing people like this continues to blow my mind. He knows what hes talking about. And its expensive. Why bother even arguing when you paid for an expensive fee just to try and prove yourself
you should start a podcast for league, and get the top players come in and talk about the game or riot employees
He did for a while. “Summoner Speak” it was called. He just hasn’t had the time lately to do anything with it I think.
@@bosscus right? too many idiots like this guy in the video who don't wanna listen and wanna waste Neace's time anyways that he's so busy lmao
Tbh, the Iron rank is the only rank I have ever wondered "How do people even get to this rank"
I have a friend who STRUGGLED getting out of iron. He's been playing since season 2-3.
What I can say from seeing him is that you get to iron if you don't care enough, have 0 farming skills and basically wander around expecting to get carried.
To sum up you're iron if you play ranked just for funzies and not care enough
@@Haurent I don't care and play just for funzies.... Ranked... And never been lower than gold. I've played on friends iron accounts and couldn't lose if i wanted to
You don't dodge in low elo, and get everybody elses inters. You can literally go from Gold to I1 in 100 games right now if you just don't dodge.
@@BlackMoridin My friend has 0 macro
@@BlackMoridin like yeah same, I dont legit sweat literally every game, and sometimes I would literally even basically run it down, but have never been ranked below gold besides my 1st ranked back in s3 where I dropped in Silver2, s4 till s10, never been below Gold or even touched around G5 even if I had like basically almost every 5 game losing streaks. Like its almost impossible to do so.
To be honest other than not following instructions without question,the guy played way better than most silver players I have seen or myself included too
he wants to be right he doesn't want to win. look i seen jg player in low elo the thing they lack most is confidence the reason is because they play most of the game PVE, and when they have to scramble they lack confidence.
Maybe I just don't know what it's like down there but I gotta imagine most silver players can press q after they ult. It's a point and click that he repeatedly just didn't use even with a coach in his ear. I feel like if Neace wasn't making all his decisions for him his play would stick out more.
Idk if I agree with that one, I've seen much better iron players. His fiddle gameplay was pretty inefficient and he missed a lot of free kills and assists.
.... he sucked bad... what’re you on about.
@@destinkane797 Thats the point I made about being silver ,because I have seen worst jungle players in my gold games and silver ones, I mean I know hes bad but have seen worse
IF anyone ever gets the bug where the inputs dont work, its because you accidentally pressed the button that is above tab, but below esc. Not sure of the name of the button.
Imagine buying time for a coach who just tells u what to more then he tells u why. And cant even take an argument without being offended.
I mean, you hire this one to be featured on his video more than actually learning from it. If you'd want to learn there are way better options (and usually cheaper lol).
When he said he couldn't smite I looked down at his abilities..
it's bound to Q.
The whole time Neace is saying Q and E and W but Q and E are his smite and ward..
I barely got into this video and started reading comments. that's pretty wild LOL
Wait a second. My man is playing on WASD for this game.
man i had to dig deep to finally find a comment who points out that guys keybinds xD
i love how u coach others and when i watch you coach other i feel like im getting better too thanks for that
im baffled how his clear looks sooo good and his camera work triggers the fuck ouuta me.litterally allways ulting in blind. i'd shit my pants if i were to ult in like that
I've played half of one League game in my life years ago, but I really enjoy these videos even as someone who knows nothing. Idk how I got here but I like it.
Gotta say, what good does coaching do if he just tells you where to go and what to do?
If I pay money, I'd hope to constantly learn about different options and which thoughts go into deciding which of them to take. This just seems largely pointless.
Being honest seeing you coach adcs Ive learned so much its actually mind blowing
I like watching your thought process and patience. I used to jungle a lot, but I mainly moved to top and mid. I keep forgetting to patiently walk to lane and hide in bushes for the side lanes. I've did it before, but the idea of jungling faster throws me off and I end up missing out on patient ganks. I'll have to keep this in mind.
The comment on the side at 24:36 "People lose games to the people playing on locked camera. Your teammates feed these people" shook me.
They're right. My teams lose to locked camera players.
Honestly, he probably just doesn't understand the play which is part of the reason he's in that elo. It's helpful for him to have it explained so he can continue the playstyle.
Only thing I was curious about is why his QWER is bound to AWDS and flash is QF. Is that a common thing or is it something he taught himself?
100% hes an FPS player lol its all set to WASD and flash and smite are on EQ
19:25 Neace his face when he hit the minions with his E right after Neace mentioned to hit Sion with his R when he does knock-ups...
Priceless. Had a good chuckle!
You mean hit him with his E?
Idk, but didn't seem too nice from the coaches perspective too. This dude is iron and does not know why he makes mistakes. Instead of explaining things thoroughly, he just shouts calls, without showing him why he should do the call. No explanation on recall timings, focusing etc. This player probably doesn't even know how most of these champs work, since he is iron and was around lvl 70 at the time. Would expect from such a coach that he would explain why the calls are good, in a calmer and more understanding way. Instead of that he just screamed like a 12 yo that he is insane at league, so he has to listen to him. Yes his calls were all 100% right, but that doesn't explain him being a jerk
Wow, perfect example of someone that doesn't accept accountability. Always a reason why, never getting the problem solved.
Must be a liberal
@@ExplorationRandomDestination why would anyone be a liberal specifically because of that?
@@Heaven0854 just a joke bro don’t stress
@@Heaven0854 liberals tend to not take accountability for their wrong doing therefore problems are never solved and worsen.
@@AntonioLopez-kw3ev this is a very ignorant take in my opinion, I'd like to understand your reasoning for this assumption, or at least what i believe to be an assumption
Bush is my friend - lol love your content man , you probably dont need to worry about pushing your content because your community probably does that for you already . I send your vids to my buddies at least once or twice a week.
Anytime people ask me about coaching, there is only one answer. Neace.
I wouldnt worry about marketing, your content is proof it works.
@@HellionSol exactly
By the end of the video the guy became a student and was listening and doing what the coach said. That in itself made it a successful coaching session.
When an iron player pretends he's a 'coach'.
its very fitting that he has "Ego" in his name
The Ego in Ego leviathan is latin for "I am" not my huge ego lmao why would it be for that?
@@levipierce7249 and u think this person likely knows latin??? i doubt it
@@pepperdayjackpac4521 Me im that person and yes I do know a bit of Latin, and I play chess in which i am rated 1200
@@levipierce7249 ur the client in the video?
@@pepperdayjackpac4521 yessir
Prett bad coaching tbh. Ur telling him what do to, not why he should do it. Consequently, he’s not rly learning the reasoning behind any of the plays ur telling him to do, so when the coaching finishes he won’t have u in his ear giving play by plays and won’t have the understanding of what he should do through his own tuition.
This guy's is literally the mindset most low elo players have 💀 great vid as always tho Neace! 👊🏼
if you ever get the "i can't click anything what's happening" its because you toggled the target champions only thingy. look at cursor, it becomes filled with red. i had to restart my client at least 10 games to figure that out...
Do you even know how many real estate/get-rich-quick ads I watch on your vids because your content is just that helpful??? Shoooo
This is your average league player. Wrong. Doubles down on wrong. Argues for it. Won't listen. Stays bad and blames everything else.
The biggest difference being most of the time you're receiving unsolicited advice/criticism, but here Neace was quite literally solicited for the bargain price of $250+ to then get the same response from him as though he was some rando trashing him. You would think there would be a vested interest in listening to what he had to say, but I guess learning to listen is also part of the value of getting coached.
@@DarkCyberElf I've learned a ton from random players in my games over the years. If it makes sense I can see that no matter who says it. I'm willing to learn.
Cant imagine paying a coach that yells at me
You never played sports, did you? 😂 (there is nothing wrong with an abrupt coaching style. He does this for a living for a reason, he’s good at it)
@@fvlse_ Im in the olympics bro, ask ur mother
@@RobotFilms101 translation- I’m a 13 year old 😂
Your first comment showed your immaturity, your second confirmed it 💀
@@fvlse_ translation: "im a beta male cuck that spends time on the internet commenting on other dudes comments" good god get a fuckin clue
I find silver and lower players really overestimate how good they are
80% of silver and below players think they are there thanks to their shitty teams and they are better than that. Of course its not true, but they refuse to admit they have an extremely below average skill level
@@marianominino7264 everytime i get to plat it really FEELS like team gap every game.
Then i remember im actually a gold player and im probably just not playing well enough.
[Edit] and i have friends who are silver 2 who are always extremely vocal on comms and trying to shot call and blame the rest of us when everyone can see that they are just not looking at the map. Its really obnoxious.
Neace, this was YOUR CHANCE to learn something.
Holy shit, the analogy of looking at your feet helps so much.
I totally feel for this guy. when i first started league for the first year or something I would quit the client and reopen it mid game whenever i accidentaly turned on target champ only lol
what button do u click on please ? to fix that ?
@@tahirabderrahman6657 its the button on the left to 1 or u can keybind in settings
Does anyone see the key bindings of his skills items and summoners?!?! Cant imagine playing so cramped like that! Neace missed it too it seems....
he may have smaller hands so it makes sense, larger hands able to ctrl+ability to level it up, smaller hands might find it more difficult so shifting them down a row seems legit and logical, but that is assuming he has that issue as well
Wasd keybinds, seems like he trying to play league like a fps game
21:04 "ult and aim at the tristana", proceeds to miss trist entirely bc player REFUSES to look at the fights, despite being told over and over and over, ALL game, to look at the action. Personally glad iron exits for players just like this.
Eh, he still pulled the kill off, but yeah - his camera was still locked on himself.
I'm surprised Neace doesn't tell these players to unbind their space bar until they learn to look around them. Imagine if Neace didn't tell him to put his HUD at zero? He would've never seen the Sion.
if you are used to moving your keys and mouse a certain way its hard to imediatly fix it tho.. he didnt refuse at all and totaly undertood that he needs to look more at the action.
It’s hard to adapt and he’s under pressure. That point isn’t as atrocious as others you can make on this guy
My steps for learning. Do the thing the teacher is telling me to do, and then after, if I don't understand WHY I was told to do it that is when I start asking. Because the goal is to be able to make those decisions when the coach or the teacher ISN'T there.
*_I think it has to do with the fact that he is so long stuck in an environment.. that is hard to adapt, if you yourself can't see the oppertunities/change_*
I think I'd struggle with how Neace communicates.
Oh yeah that's a good way of putting it, he's keeping a little too real if that's the right way of putting it. Like if I just told him what/how I was thinking and he just started harping on me that I'm not listening or not just doing what I am told instead of him explaining why my reasoning is wrong it would definitely rub me the wrong way.
@@Nimisum Yh honestly he’s a good,trainer he’s. Just a little too Aggressive and real for me I prefer a more calm and nicer teacher
Iron player with an ego, I have seen it all
It's even in the name, we have in fact seen it all.
Used to have a B5 buddy, before Iron existed - that would constantly tell our diamond/plat friends we would have won fights had we just listened to him.
My friends list got 1 person lighter pretty quick lol
@@PantheonContent love to see it
@@PantheonContent i have a silver/gold friend who does the same shit. He will never admit his mistakes and that's why he will stay at that elo.
They have the biggest ego. It's always a Bronze III telling you you're trash in aram LUL
this is how I feel being plat playing since season 2 trying to coach my iron-silver friends. They always think they know better but their LP says otherwise
fam ur plat….. lmao
@@Ltnuggetv3 and? Plat still over top 10% of the rank. Mid plat is like 6%. You can be knowledgeable without being challenger.
@@Ltnuggetv3 plat and iron is a huge difference
@@Ltnuggetv3 You do realize that like 90% of players never reach plat? By that point most actually have insane game knowledge, but either can't implement it or don't have time to play enough games to climb further. I reached Diamond 3 last season (10), but only reached plat 4 this season (11). I also played about 500 less matches this season. I have faced people in diamond that could easily reach challenger if they had enough time in life to put into league.
@@LunchMeatTrump Insane game knowledge in plat? Hell no brother. If anything, what plat players have is good enough mechanics to be in that 10% and MAYBE enough macro knowledge to help them win SOME games. Game sense is still severely lacking in the large majority of cases. To the original point, yes a plat player has a lot of information to offer an iron player, but to the other guys point, a lot of that information is probably flawed...lol.
Players don't really start to have any real game sense until d3+ (from my experience for what it's worth) and even there it's limited in comparison what to masters+ consider good game sense...never mind challenger. There are levels to everything as they say...
This guys attitude is pretty accurate for a decent amount of low elo players. I am a diamond jungle main and support fill. Whenever my bronze friend wants me to boost him to gold, I usually queue as ADC with him (support main). I try to coach him while we play telling when to ward, how to track enemy jungler, when to engage, when to fight and not run, etc but a lot of times he thinks the same way as the guy in the video where he has his own thoughts like oh I think this was better at the time. And I’ll be like, so you were just ignore what im trying to tell you and he’ll be like yeah. Which at his level of play isn’t really hard where I can still 1 v 2 botlane. But it’s like im trying to teach him, but he won’t listen. I think part of the reason is they don’t keep track of abilities, how long the general cooldown is, and so thy think everything is always up
"You cannot learn a thing you think you know." -Epictetus
Yeah he's not Iron.
WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT HES DOGSHIT (IM HIM)
@@levipierce7249you aren’t
I literally am
Iron player: "I dont think thats right *Explaining his reasons*"
Neace instead of Explaining why he's wrong: "Trust me"
iron
Pretty bad way of coaching, huh
@@admaanhason7410 yeah it's bad but the other guy's reasons are just that he's delusional. "I don't want Vi to interrupt my ult."-- Vi clearly Q's on vision.
"I killed MF without smiting".... --No MF died to Teemo shrooms.
"I don't think it's faster to use blast plant." It's objectively faster.-- What do you even say to delusion? Homie just plays the victim card against every bit of criticism. That's the biggest reason he's in iron.
@@thomaslu990 Well yeah, though it's to be expected from that rank.
@@admaanhason7410 Really? I expect them to just know that they're bad and to accept criticism because they are the lowest possible rank in the game that paid $200 for coaching from someone better. Maybe my standards are just too high.
He definitely knows what he’s talking about. He’s playing on a challenger level. Def teammates fault that he is stuck in iron
Mans Keybinds are just something else.
Mans stuck in Warzone with those keybinds
Quick tip. I'd probably say for wen you are on top of Sion with *whatever* but in this case Fiddle ult stand behind him so he can't ult away or at least has a harder time doing so.
this guy is the reason why most of the games we all lose in every rank
Honestly watching Neace videos helped me improve and love the game so much. Thanks Neace. bush is friend because death bush
Honest to god I'm about to pay Neace for coaching just so I can let the man have an easy to coach client. I swear listening to instructions should not be this difficult.
I swear it was one of the reasons I got coaching, I wasn't sure if I was going to give him a hard time but I was certainly going to try not to... After a while it gets confusing how many people question his credentials when there is so much video evidence that suggests he knows what he's talking about 95% of the time (and more often than not 100% of the time knows better than whoever is being coached).
I am sure most of his clients thought the same thing, but egos be egos man.
@@Dizzykitty817 they are all trying to prove how good they are which is the problem. We aren't
NEACE UNDERSTANDS THE GAME, but as a coach he sucks. I wouldnt want to hear his complains about every move you make. Its okay to be humbled but its heartbreaking at the same time to be called stupid on every possible way, nah il figure a way out myself one day, without no "I GET PAID FOR PLAYING". Zero professionalism.
This is a bad example tho, and he only said that cuz he was arguing that what he did was better
I mean the guy argued, not neace
Neace's coaching vs Iron's Ego
Unstoppable force vs Immovable object
You know I think Neace gets a little concieted sometimes. Yeah he paid for you, you're not paying for him to be there.. Instead of telling him to do everything exactly, teach him why he should be doing it.
He doesnt really get the idea of coaching, he just tells him what to do but never why he should be doing it. Youre right.
@@spinachos1868 thats because you are watching the game. they also do a post game break down where they rewatch the match and talk about everything
I cant lie, ive watch multiple videos from this guy and its safe to say ill never pay for “coaching” i understand that their better but yelling at people who pay you for a service is the least bit professional.
Different people need different things from their coaches. Some people mesh with this style. I know I don't, but I can appreciate the need in the community.
fucked mindset.
@@verbo240 how is it fucked? Neace is a douchebag. He is the MOST unprofessional coach ive seen & the fact that ive watched taranzed coach before and im saying that speaks volumes
@@LemonKushDeadside you're just salty lol
Lmao, so he yelled a little bit and what? 99% of his input is logical and clearly communicated, he's an amazing coach.
If I pay for this coach imma argue all day lmao
Ok wood
Neace is Gordon Ramsey of LoL coaching!
2:24 triggers me so hard, freest fear of his life and he just ugh. My hat is off to you for coaching these players
dude its a paid coach , not a paid dad , you give tips on improving the gameplay and letting him know what he did wrong and help with strategy's , you cant just play for him , just talk to him , you may be good but you got hella attitude.
To be fair I think especially in lol it's easy to get frustrated because it's 1. Hard to learn and 2. If you make a mistake in the first 5 minutes you have to suffer for at least 15 more minutes
Neace I think it's good on you telling them to only worry about Ult Q if you tell someone who is still trying to get used to Fiddle telling them to R>Q>Protobelt>Run up>E when the Fear runs out>W>Zonias if you get low is a bit too overwhelming starting off🤣
Bush is my friend.
This guy seems helpful but also brutal at times. I'm too sensitive I could never take feedback like this 😂
It gets worse, and the coaching itself is often subpar.
My concern with Neace is that he tells you what to do and almost never explains why. Not a good coach in my opinion, at least not for most people. Being told what to do doesnt help a person improve if they dont know why they are doing it. Theyll just try to recreate what they were told to do in a pervious interaction and die for it
Your ears don't work.