The Titan Submersible: Is it funny?
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Whoops totally missed an entire set of zeroes while writing our billions. Ignore my maths
Don't worry. It's alright.
You pretty much nailed all the important observations. and valid points. I share the same views on this topic
I came to comment this exact piece of information 😂
I think that just goes to show how astonishing an amount like a billion is. All those zeroes you tagged on there and it *still wasn't enough*. Now imagine having 8 of those billions, in profits, for overdraft fees.
Trust me I am very bad at math it runs in the family but don't feel shame about it.
I understand your point about the lack of attention/resources devoted to other rescue missions, but I don’t see this is as a symptom class apathy. Rather, I would say that when the media and government spent so much time and energy on the Titan and gave little to no exposure to the Adriana crisis, it makes it clear that the powers that be are designed for billionaires by billionaires, not for us.
And yes, it is tragic that people died on the Titan and left behind loved ones. But so did the 600 people aboard the Adriana. So to see so much media attention directed to humanize the billionaires instead of reporting on the deaths of less privileged folks is disheartening.
@@irvingg2342 exactly! And I’m in the mentality of if you had the money, resources etc you could’ve made a working sub. And thus get no pity from me I feel bad for the families ofc but don’t sit here (not you Irving) and try to humanize these people who pay for that foolish trip with the money made from the labors of the people. Like that money could help with schools, housing etc but nah y’all wanna see the Titanic. And honestly you have a good point about how the media wanted to cover Titan more instead of the Adriana. We only see what the billionaires want us to see.
It’s worse. They knew that the ship was gone instantly, so the deployment of resources FOR A RECOVERY were more important than regular folks’ S&R.
I think there is more to this. In Europe, you hear about migrant boat disasters in the news every week. So there is a level of: "this is not new" and "this is a problem that has been going on for ages and is still not solved". A level of desensitisation. The billionaire sub on the other hand achieved a combo of: new situation + outlandish in terms of people involved + thrill of the chase/ mystery + no wider problem to consider. I think the novelty is what really made it go so viral. Which is a dark way to look at it. But with ongoing tragedies, you often hear about it for a day, a week, and already a month in they fade from the news, even if they might still be a very active reality.
The second aspect about the migrant boat is that it fits into a broader context: yes rescue the migrants, they absolutely are human lives. But then there is the after: the governments have a hot potato to deal with. On the other hand with the sub there is no "after". And again that just says terrible things about governments, but what I'm saying is, it might not be "the world is mobilized for billionaires", it's also "yeah, we can mobilize people on this, it won't cause us an issue down the line"... which is horrendous.
I remember when the focus shifted away from the titan submersible, and the memes were like 'I don't want to play with you anymore'
Anna, you answered your own question. Every news outlet in the US flooded us with sympathetic stories about the families of the 5 people on the Titan, and totally ignored the migrant ship. Most people never even heard about it.
In the US. In Europe it's old news. We're always hearing about some illegals drowning, or their dinghies sinking.
@@scottw.3258 I know; that's why I specified.
I'm Australian; never heard about the migrants dying until Obama pointed out that it got almost no focus in the news cycles. I had to go looking for the story.
That's the point I wanted to make. The news completely pushed aside the migrants. Sometimes, when bad stuff happens and something else worse just so happens to happen, it seems like a ploy.
But that’s more so the media’s fault than it is the people who were aboard the Titan. The media could’ve chosen to give equal attention to both tragedies, but favored one over the other because they knew the reaction it would generate.
love Anna's videos. One journalist said on live TV "I will not make any comments about the Titan boat because nobody including me, made any comments about the Adriana boat last week, it wouldn't be fair".
I don't think people laughed just because they were rich. Rich people die all the time, and there's isn't a thriving "Let's Laugh At Dead Rich People" community on Twitter.
The whole basis for the memes, is Stockton, and the Titan itself. That fact that several billionaires were on the sub was more like adding fuel to a meme fire. Like "You could do anything, go anywhere, even take a trip to the Titanic in a legit vessel.....and you put your trust is this guy? In this sub?" If they were in a "legit" submersible, and suffered a tragic mishap, I don't think that would be met with the kind of reactions we saw.
There were not "several billionaires" on board. There was allegedly one. Hamish Harding.
However, Forbes maintains that Hamish Harding is NOT a billionaire, and none of the victims on the titan are listed on their List of Billionaires.
When you brought up the migrant boat, it actually reminded me of something that happened in my friend groups. Yeah there was the billionaire thing, but another point of anger for us WAS the fact that the migrant boat got near completely ignored by media. It wasn't necessarily between Oceangate and the migrant boat, it was both.
Migrant ships sinking happens all the time, it’s not exactly news worthy.
@@dib327 shootings also happen all the time. by your logic, those aren’t newsworthy either
@@mypandawilleatyou38well, yeah. Every weekend people are shot in Chicago and there really isn’t widespread news about it.
@@dib327 Quite newsworthy to those onboard.
In Europe our news is dominated my illegal migrants on dinghies and boats, drownings or vessels sinking. It's not a big thing. It's literally weekly, if not daily. I'm sure it's a big thing in the US because it's not happening there and your news outlets will only select the most dramatic incidents if at all.
I'd also like to point out, they didn't run out of air. The sub imploded and they all died before they knew it every happened. Literal instant death. They just didn't confirm the implosion till very late, setting up the air story instead.
Right, it would have happened at the hour and a half point. Running out of air was not a thing
because they died as soon as the thing was crushed by the pressure at that depth.
According to the final analysis, the power failed. Because the passengers were all gathered near the fore porthole, without its stabilizing engines the sub pitched forward (that is, the nose pointed toward the seabed) and began to sink catastrophically. They fell, in the dark, piled up on each other at the fore porthole for about a full minute, until the rapid pressure differential caused the hull to fail. The sub collapsed in less than a millisecond, reaching a temperature greater than the surface of the sun. Current research finds that it takes about three milliseconds for your brain to register a change in your environment. I don’t know if that’s better or worse than slowly suffocating, but that’s what I read.
@@ankhimHoH Instant sea juice, humanly made
Tbh I don’t think that makes it any less tragic
Where did you read this final analysis? I haven't been able to find it. I would like to read it, thanks.@@ankhimHoH
A crucial aspect that's missing from this analysis is the role of the media in all this.
In Noam Chomsky's _Manufacturing Consent,_ he explores how media coverage plays a significant role in crafting popular consensus and getting the public to care about events. Their selection of which stories to cover and the amount of coverage to give each story played a consequential role in why everyone cared so much about the handful of missing billionaires, while barely anyone heard the news about hundreds of migrants drowning :(
True, but the media is also us now. The coverage of the Titan was just as favored by us on social media as it was on any mainstream news outlet.
@@inlovewithJLT While we do play an important role and we have a scale of power on what we choose to focus on interpersonally, trends are still very fueled by social media algorithms and imo they still rule over the attention tides.
@@Ghost-lt4sf the algorithm is us. It shows us more of what we give attention to. We don't get to absolve ourselves of our participation in media.
@@Ghost-lt4sf The algorithms just show what the public is more likely to be interested about.
@@inlovewithJLT That's not true though. My friends/timeline was talking about the migrants' plight in contrast to the Titan but we're just not the ruling class. Why did they spend all those resources in the hopes of saving five members of rich and potentially litigious families? I think we all know the answer there. No amount of public opinion is going to divert those resources -- we can't even stop the terrible conditions for children at the border
10:00 The thing is, while it's horrible and devastating for those individual children, there are also untold numbers of kids growing up with absent or deceased parent(s), living in destitution, who will never have a single one of those opportunities Giles did - precisely because of the efforts of the billionaire class. It looks like his dad was an airline captain so this isn't about him; Their individual tradgedy can be acknowledged, without being accepted as a shield against the misery perpetuated directly or indirectly by these kinds of people.
Noup, the captaing was rich, at least rich enough to pay 250k for a ticket. He had a very big airplane trading bussines.
the orphaned billionaire kids will be fine. or at the very least more fine than impoverished orphans
There are enough comments on this, but in case it wasn't clear, the general public DID care about the migrant boat and was was outraged that news outlets just refused to cover it in favor of the missing sub. People kept begging news outlets to cover the migrant boat, and it all fell on deaf ears.
I only remember hearing about the Sub, this was the first time I heard about the ship
I honestly never heard about the migrant boat until Anna just told me.
A lot of the general public in Britain genuinely hate migrants because of right wing propaganda, the majority of people here knew but just didn't care.
Were there any memes about the migrant boats, or comparing one incident to the other?
I'm on the bandwagon that there's no ethical way for a person to accumulate that amount of wealth in an ethical manner. Especially when the billionaire from Pakistan dying made more news than his countryman that died on the capsize vessel as migrant travelers.
Yeah. IMO the only thing sad about this is that they died of their own idiocy before they could be held accountable for their actions.
preach!
What did billionaires Lebron James and JK Rowling do that’s unethical?
Oh bullcrap
@@dib327 lmao, if you don't know about what JK has done, you never well.
For me, I made memes and enjoyed it for a couple reasons.
The warning signs were everywhere at how dangerous that sub and company were, yet they still chose to go. The Darwin awards were awarded.
The migrants I didn't learn about until a week after the entire sub situation was resolved and I was furious about the zero coverage about them.
I don't get how people like you keep on bringing up the migrants, as if we can't multitask. Lives were lost in both scenarios! You used the death of the more fortunate as an opportunity to display your sociopathy. You have problems you need to deal with.
Absolutely agreed,
The metrial the sub was made of was not fit for going that deep plus they did it at their own risk so no one is there to be blamed here
And I think that this just opens broader problem of how many people think that because we have powerful PCs, programs, simulations, apps etc, doing stuff like this is easier as it was in past, and you dont really need that much experience and knowledge... And thats dead wrong! Literally....
Migrant ships sinking happens all the time, it’s not exactly news worthy.
The warning signs for migrants travelling by boat are equally deserving of the Darwin Award.
I think on the whiteboard writing bit at 7:34 and 7:40 you missed out on an extra set of 000s. 8 billion is 1000 times bigger than 8 000 000 (8 million) that is shown on screen :(
Come down to comment this!
Yeah I was confused too. She wrote millions and said billions, like which one actually?
No way we would make a fuss about 8 million lol but yeah I was too like “wait, that doesn’t look dramatic enough” haha
Honestly the public was justified in making fun of this dumb situation. My friend made a very good point that these guys were literally trying to develop cheap technology in order to turn visiting the gravesite of a bunch of mostly poor and middle-class people into a lucrative business for entertainment, so calling the public unempathetic for making memes for their own entertainment is wildly hypocritical. If it wasn't them who imploded in the submarine they were fully willing to send other people down for that to happen to them. That's not even mentioning how they probably acquired their wealth...
Yes. This.
Regardless of who they were, I think Anna was more bringing up how it’s interesting that that context overrides any empathy from imagining being a human and dying the way they did.
@@ryanmcduffiethat she is. And it makes me sad, but they EARNED our lack of empathy, with the deluge of their own towards us. That doesn't make us better people, but no matter how she may try to "humanize" them because they aren't... not because we make them that way, they make themselves that way, and money and that dragon like greed hoarding is a factor. When one becomes inhumane to such a degree, how else could we see them whilst attempting to use the lense they use themselves.
EVERYONE ELSE that was lost is a different circumstance. But meme don't try to do the little asterisk thing to cover ever detail about the situation.
@@yourfriendlyinternetmeatshield hey thanks.. I respectfully disagree as far as I still can and prefer to muster sympathy as to how horrible a death that would be. When you say “because they aren’t”, what do you mean?
ok but why does EVERYONE believe people get rich by immoral/inhumane means? I know a guy who literally got rich by just working hard and getting promoted, over the course of over 40 years. no he did not have any privilege being the only POC in a mainly white company in the 80s/90s, and he started in poverty as well.
I really like these detailed, informative videos that touch on certain topics. I hope we get even more videos like this in the future, cause you make them so well
Second that ! I was about the comment the same thing 🌸
I agree
she left out some details and got information wrong
She made poor points. They toured the titanic which hundreds of poor people lost their life on. Billionaires making money off of people less fortunate. Sounds like karma in real time
@@immaleaf4964 Okay, so what information would that be?
also its not even just the class gap, but the fact that instead of going “sightseeing” at a site of tragedy, they could have donated that money to charity
now there's a whole tour. the sight of the where the titan sub exploded then further down you'll see the unsinkable titanic.
@@gilbertjacobs3705 $500,000 for the tour.
maybe they did. people have no obligation to be charitable, and we have no right to dictate to others what they do with their fortune
Or efforts to make a trip like that safe and ongoing so they could give proceeds on an ongoing basis
@@Saphia_ 500,000 was just to see the titanic. now with the exploding sub you can tack on 50,000
Anna, I don't feel slighted by the rich. The circumstances that made those men rich are the same circumstances that made those migrants drown.
How does a rich person cause migrants to drown?
@@dib327 the circumstances that made them rich, a system that privileges property over people, is why these billionaires are considered worthy of a multi-million search and rescue, but these migrants are left to drown. The system that allows wealth to accumulate in the hands of a few is why these migrants are poor. The hegemony that takes wealth from the global south and moves it to first world nations is why Pakistan is having its inflation crisis, and why those people weren't helped.
It's all an interconnected system of exploitation. There are no billionaires with clean hands.
I'm so glad to see this comment.
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EXACTLY!!!!
I think the media has the biggest responsibility in what gets talked about - when these events happened, the sub was ALL over my news feed. I only heard about the migrant ship by accident, in a op ed that was talking, AGAIN, about the sub. The media has the power and therefore controls what the public hears, how much, and in what ways. I think all other things being equal the sub story still would have gotten more attention probably, because it’s so shocking, sure. But people can’t be outraged about something they never even knew about.
Also I know this comment has been made but one billion is $1,000,000,000 - not $1,000,000. It’s one THOUSAND times a million and that’s a big, big difference!
My thoughts exactly!
Also FYI Anna I think you may have missed some zeros in your written numbers for the word billions.
Hope they fix it
“I’m a numbers gal”
Proceeds to get the numbers wrong 😂
In my industry, we call that a whoopsie
I came to the comments to write this!
Billions is SUCH a big number that the human brain seems to have a hard time quantifying it...
@@gystes_ To try and fathom, one million seconds equals around 11 days. One billion seconds equals around 31 years. With that in mind, I’m trying hard to wrap my head around the incredible wealth the one percent sits on.
I think it's one thing when a submersible mission is carried out with the intension of some scientific discovery. It's a totally different thing when it's used as some sort of tourism for the ultra rich. With that being said, I think Stockton was extremely arrogant and put everyone's life at risk just for the sake of innovation. Him I don't feel bad for. It's the rest of the crew, especially the 19 year old child (who was terrified up to his last moments) who I feel deserves our compassion.
I agree that the teenager deserves our compassion :)
You can condemn someone’s actions while still feeling empathy for their horrifying death
I haven't heard people talking about much about the ethics of Titanic tourism as a concept. Yes the irony of an 'unsinkable' following another with the same claim is darkly comedic, but I find it difficult to understand anyone looking at a site of mass casualty and thinking 'ooo there's money to be made here!'
We do the same with the colosseum and pompeii. I think it's normal for us to want to see snapshots of the past. That's the whole point of museums.
@@biblionerd ah yes, the most ethical of all institutions.
What do you think Archaeology is?
Me and my brother shared hundreds of memes regarding Titan's construction. I am a software dev and my brother is a mechanical engineering student and we talked a lot about how much care and though engineers have to put in their work because Murphy's Law is real - but then OceanGate/Rush came and decided that care doesn't "help innovation" and the worst ended up happening, to the surprise of no one. Safety regulations are written with blood.
I did see memes with the "eat the rich" attitude, but the memes about how macgyvery Titan was made the most I ended up seeing. I guess it's because I'm among tech circles.
And I learned about the migrant disaster thanks to Wikipedia, Wikipedia was the only place I saw presenting something about the boat.
Answer: yes. Everything, with the right setup and context, can be satirised and be the subject of humour.
Whilst I agree largely with your points, I have a few thoughts. The migrant disaster, of which I've only just heard of, was not promoted near as much by mainstream news sites then the submarine. I think the difference in coverage is another result of class disparity as the fact that a few people got more news stories about their deaths than thousands of people is, to me, horrifying but sadly a reality of a world obsessed with the rich. Also, from what I can tell, the memes are really directed at Scott who died a bit out of hubris. It is sad he died but, despite leaving behind children, he was warned about how dangerous his submersible was and fired the person who warned him. Scott made a person loose their source of income out of hubris and died a preventable death. I've also seen many sad for the teenager on board because everyone recognises the fault is on the adults who entered an unsafe submersible and allowed him on board. That being said I do agree that people could've used their energy to point out the disparity in the news coverage or grieve the death of a teenager that was an unfortunate victim and it is sad that Scott's children won't have a father as a result of their dad's hubris and a slow death.
I don't think the media paid such special attention to the Titan disaster is because the people on board were rich, but because it was such an unsual event. Practically speaking, deep sea diving is expensive, so in general the passengers are going to be rich or subsidized by a wealthy entity, but I highly doubt that was driving the news cycle.
As for the migrant ship, there were probably several factors working against it being big news. Of course there were other stories dominating the news cycle at that time, but overcrowded migrant ships capsize in the Mediterranean all the time. This one was bigger than most, but the type of accident was by no means unheard of. Also, Europeans generally don't want these people coming over and they are commonly seen as intruders trying to violate immigration laws, so there was probably a some lack of empathy, not entirely unlike the animosity economically illiterate people have towards wealthy individuals.
Not a "slow death". The sub was crushed by the pressure and had made too many dives.
Migrant ships sinking happens all the time, it’s not exactly news worthy.
@@dib327 I can think of multiple things that happen all the time that the media at large still considers news worthy. Mass shootings, big changes to the stock market, inflation, which two celebrities just had sex...
So their willingness to talk about those things (especially since some or even most of those things are negligible, like again the sex lives of people for instance) but then ignore a mass casualty of ~500 people... The media's silence on said issue is deafening.
The saddest thing is, you can't eat the rich when they're at the bottom of the ocean 😢
LOL okay I was already laughing but this almost put Folger coffee up my worker class nose.
Don't worry. The ocean-dwellers (gee, that sounds ominous) will do that for us.
aren't they like the most brave, the best of humankind billlionares and millionares of the century? only true leaders would dive into the depths of the ocean with a submarine so risky!!! so... who is going to be the next coolest millionare i wonder :)
@@olcmeksizinsev They should all try their hand at that. Maybe the public will like them more if they show their bravery that way.
The Titan got so much attention because the public have no control of the news they hear. The Titan story was shoved down our throats, and we had no choice but to talk about. It was a great distraction for another story that TPTB wanted to bury.
A Lot of us were angry about almost no coverage of the other boat
I don't think she's saying no one, I think she means the vast majority of the public were only aware of the sub
Ofc people care more, we hear horrid news all day every day. I also truly don't think it's fair to ask for empathy for billionaires. They have never felt it for the people they made their fortune of off, neither have their families, if they had they wouldn't be billionaires. Placing outrage for class inequality on the shoulders of billionaires and their families is not missplaced. Ofc I feel sad that 5 people died in such a horrible way, but they did so willingly, knowing the risks, and I'll never judge someone for not feeling empathy for the mega rich, because frankly to be a billionaire you truly have to be a monster with no moral compass
What did billionaires Lebron James and JK Rowling do that’s unethical then?
@@dib327 Flying private contributes to global warming.
@@dib327JK Rowling is a transphobe for one, but based on your comments here you probably support that
@@dib327Both have massive property portfolios and investments for one. JK Rowling in particular is a hilariously bad example given her years of transphobia and huge investments towards transphobia organisations. Also, beyond that, the huge interference in politics - regardless of what side of the Scottish independence referendum you come down on, it is inarguable that JK Rowling's vast wealth allowed her to exert far more influence over an important political issue than any individual should have, and this goes for every single person with her level of wealth. I could keep going but I am more than aware you're not making any of your comments in anything like good faith
You can't redirect your focus to something that you don't know exists. I'm assuming it's similar to most others, but i have personally not even heared about the raft insident at all up until now. Wereas you couldn't switch website at the time without stumbling across news / memes from the titan. The problem is that people most of the time don't get to chose what they're presented to once the ball gets rolling. I'm sure many more people would have cared if they would have known, but it just so happened that one of the two topics went trending and the other didn't. If i had to take a guess it's because poverty plays a huge roll in many peoples lives wereas imigrantion not so much. But that's merely an assumption, and i would genuinely say it's mostly duo to chance, because there's way too many variables out of our scope to say for certain, like it is with most things.
You being a rich woman yourself, I'm impressed you actually paid attention to the massive wealth disparity which just keeps on growing as a reason for the general "I don't give a f###" attitude about the super rich people on the Titan, but then of course you stepped up to defend them, which reeks of you having a privileged life (which you showcased with bringing up your vacation to Greece, not exactly something us peasants can ever do) and actually being upset we're sick and tired of this status quo.
When it comes to the lack of empathy for the migrant boat tragedy, I think it's a combination of things. The corporate scum media here not covering it, the internet giving rise to the worst voices of humanity and yes a general lack of empathy among some in the population, who think if it doesn't affect them then it doesn't matter, or who will jump on a cause to be righteous about for brownie points online and then just move on to the next thing. And also; the world, this country in particular, is awash in horrific events in recent years. Hell, my millennial generation alone doesn't point to anything positive as a milestone in our lives unlike past generations, just awfulness like surviving 2 catastrophic economic collapses, a pandemic, witnessing 9/11 and knowing that the odds are extremely great that we will be in a mass shooting at some point in our lives because of how common they are now. We are in a perpetual state of darkness, why do you think addiction, loneliness, selfharm and unaliving numbers are so damn high with us (unless you are one of the privileged ones like yourself, whose biggest worry is what country to go on a trip to next).
I sense you do have empathy, but it seems like your money and status has really clouded your own empathy for us poorer people. We get it, you probably think people at the top like you should be felt sorry for as much as anyone else, but when one side has access to healthcare, both mental and physical (I've needed therapy for ages, you think I can afford it, hell no!), time off and fun in general and the others like myself are just 'work and die', and that first side doesn't see that as a big deal nearly as much as us being nicer to you, I can't feel anything for rich a-holes with rich people problems, sorry.
i feel bad for the 19 year old, thats literally it for me tho lol..
Innocent people dying is so funny haha right?
Him and P H Nargeolet
Why even bother? He would’ve ended up a billionaire too through inheritance (like 10-30% of billionaires) and then his life wouldn’t have matter because of course the wealthier you are the less of a living breathing human being you are.
Billions don't matter at the bottom of the ocean like that. I feel bad for all of them, I'm sure it was a terrible death. Impending death like that is a great equalizer.
I think on some level it makes sense why people would laugh Anna. These billionaires don't directly see the difficulties most people face in poverty. They lead lavish and comfortable lives while many struggle working minimum wage jobs only to survive. Many of us can't imagine even going on a cruise let alone a voyage on a submersible. To put it simply, paying to just live is what most people do on this planet. So when they see a billionaire who chooses to spend their money and time putting themselves and others in danger for a profit, they laugh to make light of how just because he has money could do this. That having money and power is an okay enough means to do the unthinkable and put others at risk. He went to a jurisdiction where he could avoid the law in order to make his submersible trips feasible. So yes, we laugh. Because we can, because that's something we feasibly can do. All of this is intertwined. From using money to do this act, to people viewing it from the news and choosing to laugh on the internet. All linked together by the broken system we call society.
These billionaires went on an "adventure" and lost their lives. Other American billionaires are distorting American
life by funding dark money groups that stack the Supreme Court and promote antisocial, pro super upper class policies. People like Harlan Crow and the Koch brother. The other one has died. And they are not the only ones.
facts
This 👆
A couple of things:
1. general public did care about migrant ship but news outlets didn't cause they're controlled by the same rich people who felt more empathy towards people from their class (maybe it was even their friends)
2. yes, their children will grow withour their parents but they will not be struglling as many families who lost the main provider, their life will be still very comfortable
3. ordinary people are powerless in both situation, they couldn't help anyone. Memes are helping to release stress and people are allowed to make them and have fun. There're a lot of horrific event happening every day, people can't stay outraged and horrified every second
4. These people died instantly but a lot of sourses were spent on them while people on the migrant ship were drowing without help
5. Empathy is the limited source, and people who're struggling every day can't care about people who make them struggle even if they have personal circumstances like kids, wifes and pets
i wasn't the type to actively make jokes about the submersible folk, but even now i don't really have empathy for them. the sub imploded. there was likely no suffering, no agonizing countdown. these people weren't great contributors to society with all the power and money they had. nobody should be punished for the actions of the ceo of course, but idk, i think for the reasons anna listed i have struggles feeling for these people.
as for the family members, i sympathize with them, but like, i never really dwell on that feeling, partly because ultimately they have the resources to step back and work through their emotions and lean on others, if they take that time.
the migrant boat sinking was a tragedy that, as others are pointing out, was not given nearly the same attention and media coverage as the submersible. likely because there wasn't as much money involved, it wasn't as fantastical-and the people who could've helped them but didn't had more power to sway views their way.
i think to imply that people are in the wrong for feeling one way about the submersible without expressing outrage about the migrant ship is sort of... unfair. and to imply that people who can empathize with the sub folk are more in touch with their feelings and their humanity also feels wrong. of course the migrant ship deserves our attention but one of the pitfalls i think a lot of online activists fall into is that mentality of "why are we talking about THIS when we should be talking about THIS?" when usually both things are worth our attention (class divides + rising poverty vs. treatment of refugees and immigration policies) and it's just a question of how much the media covers them each, and in what ways.
we all have specific things that resonate with us, that poke at our pain spots. we deal with those things in our own ways, healthy or not. were all the sub memes deserved? maybe not for the passengers or their families. but were they warranted for the millions of people who, rather undeservingly, have to constantly deal with the selfish and unempathetic decisions of millionaires and billionaires? well... probably.
How do you know that the people who died were not great contributors to society?
@@dib327You don't become a billionaire and be a contributor to society. You become a billionaire by embodying, reinforcing, and maintaining the many problems our society has. You may as well ask why we don't think cancer can be a contributor to our health
"I'm a numbers gal" - proceeds to present all the numbers wrong by a factor of 1000...
Hey, she didn't say she was *good* at numbers.
This is I why I’ve followed you for years. So informative and in depth with everything you post.😌
I feel like Anna has completely misread the situation. First, I think the term "lack of empathy" in this case is better described as "reciprocating lack of empathy", as many working class folks are simply reciprocating the lack of empathy that the owning class has shown them. Second, it's unclear who Anna defines as "us" and "the public" when describing the reaction to the migrant boat. There are many of "us" who were trying to highlight exactly that tragedy that was unfolding concurrently. I think Anna is completely missing the power dynamics that shape the public dialogue. It's not simply not fair to blame the working class when powerful (decidedly not working class) media and military institutions poured hours of airtime and millions of dollars covering and executing the Titan's rescue whilst providing almost no support or coverage for the victims of the migrant boat disaster. Lastly, I really don't get Anna's attempt to point out this lack of empathy by again highlighting the Titan crews families. If you really want the audience's empathy to be proportional to the tragedies at hand, why not highlight the victims of the migrant boat and their families? If there is a "lack of empathy" amongst us, why do you want to pour more attention to the arguably less tragic event?
man I really like her but lately I feel like most of her recent videos on social topics don't hit the mark and miss a lot of bits
@@kaisim980I agree, she supports the status quo and "treating both sides fairly" too heavily now
This
100% grateful for this comment
13:33 I'm in the middle of typing about the refugee boat and how people should focus on that tragedy instead, when you start talking about it - thank you @AnnaAkana 💜
Personally, I wouldn't have known about the maritime disaster had it not been for those commenting over and over again that something bigger was happening. That more people were missing than those on The Titan and they had less privilege in being saved because of disgusting politics. It truly breaks my heart that no one was really covering it.
It was covered more in Europe because it is a European centric news story. The Titan is an AMERICAN centric news story.
Likewise, America can't leverage a search and rescue off the coast in Greece when this incident occurred within a few hours. The only people who were able to save the migrants from the ship, was the surrounding area, anything near the coast of Greece at that time.
The titan had the potential for rescue for several days (similar to the kids trapped in the Thai caves that occurred a few years back).
Also it isn't like the world governments didn't care about this event, the UN is literally demanding an investigation into Greece because of this incident.
I have empathy for all tragedy. Whether it makes the news or not. Whether it impacts people who are struggling a lot or impacts people who haven't struggled much. I wish the best for everyone.
Empathy and compassion. ⬆
I was also quite confused why so much effort was put into saving a few people, while others don't get the same treatment. I don't know whether this is related to attention of the public or something else.
Because they were citizens of the country, not some random refugees.
@@dib327damn so citizenship is what determines if people are worth saving now?
@@automaticcaptions This guy straight up wants refugees dead judging by his other deranged comments.
Don’t forget they were billionaires and other rich folks. Everyone on that boat was wealthy.
@@saraghhh Not everyone on that boat was wealthy. PH Nargeolet was certainly not wealthy. The only websites that claimed that he was were shady sites that provided zero evidence or sources into how they even got their financial evaluation.
PH Nargeolet was employed at RMS Titanic Inc as a professional deep diver. He was being used as a content guide for these Oceangate trips because of his experience and knowledge.
The jokes about the submersible aren't funny
they're hilarious
The jump into wealth discussion was really satisfying in this one. The lack of empathy makes sense and is perhaps even natural. Concern about those lost, but the lack of overall public empathy.
The whole situation is a dark comedy at its finest.
I think you are failing to take into account how much more the mainstream media covered one disaster over the other. Of course there was going to be more discussion of one over the other when there was so much more awareness of the Titan wreck.
I really like this long videos of yours! It's not too long or too short. It gives the right amount of facts and give new insights on issues to today's society
Yeah I'm sorry I will never feel sorry for millionaires and billionaires in distress spending $250k for a submarine ride when that's something that will take us 30 years to pay to own the house. Feel sorry only for the kid on board.
For real. The only sad thing was now that they are dead they will never be held accountable for their actions.
Sorry to their families but they also knew that they had families and there was a possibility of failure
Yeah same. The 19 year old and his surviving family are the only ones I feel for.
This is about having common courtesy and decency. Mocking and making fun of the situation while family relatives were in distress is just childish and cruel. Some of these individuals also made contributions to discovery and finance. They were ignorant for doing such thing, but many people (regardless of wealth) do crazy stuff in their life.
The idea of making jokes hadn't occurred to me... but now I'm so into it you could say I'm bolted in from the outside.
Anna- thank you so much for these embedded subtitles!
That's exactly the point.. there was no media coverage for the ship most people didn't even hear about it but when it comes to a missing billionaire in a sub they drowned us in stories asking for sympathy for their families which is absolute bullshit
Off subject: I like your look today. The bangs
I appreciate the hard-coded subtitles!
Oh please. Billionaires don’t get to me billionaires without stepping on someone and making money off their backs.
Who’s back did Lebron James and jk Rowling step on then?
@@dib327 Billionares, with capital B.
@@dib327 well, JK is stepping on some trans folks right now so I guess she's making up for lost time.
@@dib327 Lebron James is stepping on the back of every person that payed to see him hoop. It may be a lighter step because his effects have happiness sprinkled in, but him being a billionaire is enough for millions of Americans and god knows how many third world people to be affected significantly. He and other billionaires leisurely spending money for pleasure instead of it being allocated to those that actually need it is exactly why it doesn't matter how "fairly" he made his money.
@@JohnScigulinsky so no one can say anything’s about trans people no more
"He cut so many corners he was a full on circle" I'm sorry that made me giggle
11:47 the worst part is that he didn’t want to go to see the titanic, he just wanted to spend time with his dad. 😢
I watched this to the end. Thank you for making this. You hit the nail on the head with the whole human dynamic. People are either desensitized or they are all so self centered that they don’t give a f about anyone other than them self.
Either my math is horrible or Anna is mixing up the number of zeroes there should be.
Anna failed her math, I did noticed it too.
I saw a meme that said "everyone wants to eat the rich until they come prepacked in a nice little tin can for them" and I think that explains what you're saying. We're so far in the billionaires are bad discourse that it's "there are 2 ways for you not to have billionaires, they use the money to help people until they are no longer billionaires, or the other thing" And since the first one isnt happening, people celebrate the second.
To me an horrific lack of empathy is a system that allows a few people to accumulate an ungodly personal wealth that cannot possibly be spent in 10 or 20 generations while billions are starving, homeless or in hazardous homes, dying of curable diseases, violence, wars, or just barely surviving. I have great empathy for palestine. Not for people who make fortunes from others misery. Im very disappointed at you, Anna.
Why is it the rich peoples responsibility to fix these tragedies? That should be the governments responsibility.
@@dib327 first, because many of these tragedies are directly caused by said rich people. And second, because all of them have spent so much money to control elections and buy off politicians that they are the ones preventing governments from doing anything to solve these problems.
@@dib327 It isn't their responsibility exactly, but by building such enormous amounts of fortune at the expense of others, it is worsening the situation. Why should we have empathy for their dumb decisions if they don't have empathy to help the poor and suffering while they bask in way more money than they could ever spend?
Isn't it incredibly normal for people to seek entertainment to distract themselves from trauma and stress?
Yeah it is. Where I live migrant boats sinking is a daily occurance, it's horrible but after a while you get used to it, it horribly becomes "just another day". The sub story was a, sorry to say, 'welcome' distraction from the realities of migrant deaths and government inaction.
I do not think it is normal. I think it is a common occurrence, it is not however super healthy to do it to a point where you feel like you / your life is neglected deeply emotionally / physically!!!. It also depends what you are using to distract yourself I could imagine. Playing an instrument keeps you connected to yourself, using heroin or perhaps pornography disconnects you. So probably distractions that connect us to ourselves are the healthiest way to go about it whilst also ensuring that there is a active effort to fix the issues that are causing stress / trauma within the first place. I could see how that could be really tough if you grow up in a area where you are surrounded by physical trauma. This is why abusive households cause so much havoc / pain on people plus society because it just ruins us deep down. its called the murdering of our soul. Healing is possible plus I hope we all get the healing / love we deserve. Cheers !!!!!!!!!!!!! Therapy Helps too!!!!! I Highly recommend .,,,,!!!!!!
Aren’t Nyorkers like 100% desensitized to people unaliving themselves on the subway? I don’t support it - but I’d understand if I was late for work because of something like that
@@fernandovillalobos5434 only happened to me once. Not super common I think.
With all due to respect, the people making billionaire memes online were not in distress or traumatized, they were mostly jaded and bitter. While people do create/enjoy entertainment when they're in actual distress, there are many who use this reasoning as an excuse not to show empathy or at least some restraint.
Heyo Anna your hair and makeup is on point! Love the change up in style. Just started tuning in again after a bit of a break in my feed. I appreciate you!
Bro their kids will be alright, they inherited millions if not billions of dollars.
An incredibly well written essay! It well articulated all of the thoughts that I had during this time, and compassionately calls out the public.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I do know that if I had heard anything about the Adriana, I would have cared. I will say this, though, in the case of both events, I had a complete lack of power to do anything; that kind of distance and helplessness lends itself to a lessening of empathy. Every week, I see or hear about a variety of local problems and hardships, and, well, as a guy currently unemployed and sinking into debt, there's not a lot I can do. When I had money, I helped. When I had time, I ran fundraisers. I helped a homeless comic book artist find his way into a home that way. Where's my help? It's not there, and right now, that leaves me numb. The billionaires and their grave-robbing tour guide deserve as much compassion as they gave with their thoughtlessness for the rest of us.
Noblesse oblige, anyone?
Everyone is team eat the rich until its awww but look how cute that billionaires family is in their prada outfits
Stay awesome Gotham
A very well articulated and balanced piece, inviting us to examine our implicit biases, and the perspective we are coming from.
Understanding how to humanize those who dehumanize us is one of the most challenging things I have found in my recovery of PTSD.
We've been calling for the guillotine for years and people are surpprised now that they realize we were serious the whole time.
Innocent people dying is so funny right?
guillotines are only necessary if the alien-tech biobug acts like a pace-maker and restarts the brain
@@dib327'innocent' doing a lot of heavy lifting there, bud
I love the CC on the videos-all the love to Anna Akana from someone who finds them very very useful ❤
Not to say that you aren't allowed an opinion, but as a person who, yourself, is "well off", wouldn't this also possibly be a factor in your degree of apathy to the death of the people on the Titan?
For people who are living paycheck to paycheck and are, essentially, suffering due to whatever poor situation of living they are forced in to due to the completely imbalanced economy, they're probably going to look at it much differently than yourself who maybe isn't really worrying about money as much day to day.
Loving these takes on current events. You always bring multiple perspectives and facts.
Sympathizing with billionaires, which are people who literally have the means to solve world hunger and choose to buy Twitter instead... Hard pass.
If I had over a mill, no way I'd sit in a tube for mo'than 5min !!!! Whole story smells fishy
Facts.
Facts... morons made disgusting fun of souls lost forever.... and even less sympathy/ignorance of the hundreds who drowned at sea..
Exactly. Their kids will be fine with all the money their dad’s stole from other families
If world hunger could be solved by throwing money at the problem, it'd be done already.
One of my fav meme was reviews of the logitech controller saying that the bluetooth often lost connection causing the player to lose their game
Poor lives are literally lost all the time because of billionaires. The migrant boat is a direct result of billionaires, colonization, capitalism, and racism.
Ding ding ding.
And to think they could've lived had they just pressed Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right B A Start 😭
i really love these types of videos from you. The audio on your voice is always so low though.
Yes its funny. Why? Because when you take a big risk in the chase for glory and fail? Well you knew the risk. Humor is how humans process bad information. Humanity was teaching itself that taking those risk was dangerous. And now everyone is more aware and educated on the matter. It spread awareness to not take dumb risk.
No, its still funny...family or not. But this is not how the rich should be taken out. Look at France, we should be doing what the French are doing (again).
And I don't know what part of the internet you were on but I definitely got news stories about the other situation going on. But what do you suggest we do about that one? Because we have no control over that either.
They sure did take our money (taxes) and put it towards saving the billionaires and not those searching for a better life...oh my...
THANK YOU FOR SHOWING THAT GRAPH! Everyone should be aware that our productivity has only increased exponentially as our wages and the value of the dollar have decreased exponentially. We are, for lack of a better term, slaves. Every generation says, "no one wants to work anymore!"
No, we're all working our butts off, we're just getting no fruit for our effort!
This was extremely thought provoking and different for Anna! I'm glad she took a different approach to experimenting with her content.
I love all her videos and have been subscribed for over 10+ years but I'm always happy to see her exploring new topics and making minor or bigger changes along the way! I'm sure she'll grow this side of content too
I'm really enjoying the longer videos on current events.
yeah, we laughed, but they are LITERALLY killing us across the world ( working class) I am not sure I can be too sorry about a class that will literally pay children 1$ a day to make shoes. and yeah, I brought up how people spend tons of money looking for the 5 in a barrel while others died waiting.
I think that knowledge of the event is also important. I knew about the submarine. It was everywhere. I wouldn't and couldn't get away from the memes if I tried. The migrant boat, on the other hand, was covered in all my followings by maybe two or three people.
Anna thanks so much for sharing this perspective. I was concerned about the memes as well. It is never the moment when there is a dire situation for jokes about people dying. I think it may be the case that empathy has plummeted. I feel mentally disconnected to a lot of current events. Yesterday hearing that we've had UFOs for years now, my mind didn't even skip a beat... life will go on... Something is up with us all!
The something that is up is we feel helpless against all the current and impending disasters that are directly caused by those hoarding wealth, who hoard just for the sake of hoarding.
We are watching a climate disaster unfold, but because the uber-rich will be fine, they have no problem leaving billions to become climate refugees and eventually die from massive crop failures. They have no problem using our labor to do it either, while we're stuck in a system where it's either starve now or starve later.
We can't vote our way out of this either, since the uber-wealthy and political leaders are besties. So yeah, with a bleak future, there's bleak memes. I have empathy for those suffering and who will continue to suffer. I have none for those causing it.
I love you Anna, please keep doing your amazing work ❤
Anna, you need to go out and experience why people dislike the billionaires, we are literally getting screwed by them. I bet the last poor person u interacted with was your uber eats person.
I don't feel bad one bit. A billionaire going into a cheap sub to save his billions that took as many shortcuts as possible to be cheap so the CEO can be rich too is comical. That's what greed does.
Literally cant have a living wage because the billionaire class wont let us have one, but hey rich liberal girl knows the reality of working these corporate jobs with terrible conditions and practices.
Thanks for the deep dive into this topic.
I don't need someone else to tell me how I feel about people who made insane amounts of wealth by being absolutely rotten people. You can't make that amount of money without exploiting bunch of people and breaking laws. Some people cause so much pain and bad sh1t that the world is better off without them.
We been WAITING for rich people to blow themselves up, they just did it in the most entertaining way possible
This aint it. Maybe if youd grown up working class, youd get it. I dont care about a billionaires family either, they're all complicit
I love your writing, the way you express your sentences and words. You should have a news oultet with articles like these. It's a very good way of showing what's happening in the world with another take away.
I’m really enjoying this type of content from you!
Anna - I talked to my boss on this topic. The question I asked was, “Why does one find joy over another’s misery?”
I wonder if you see that in the billionaires? How do they get joy of being rich by taking advantage of so many people, while destroying the earth and simultaneously causing a huge wealth inequality, causing people to be so poor, overworking themselves just to survive?
Eat the rich means EAT. THE. RICH.
Thank you for subtitles.
I will resonate other comments whilst I unsubscribe.
It’s the mice making fun of the death of a cat. The mice can’t afford to take the risks the cats do without thought.
But it was funny 🥺