Agreed. No plugin is going to magically make everything come out of your speakers sound amazing. Only large brilliant pebbles taped to your cables does that.
When things are far enough in the past... people tend to forget When things are far enough in the past, people tend to forget the lessons learned. I've made it a habit to periodically challenge my plugin chains-A/B testing them to see if a plugin is actually necessary. As for tape machine plugins, I see them as purely a creative tool at best. Too many tape machine plugins just ruin the sound because people want that 'vintage' vibe. Honestly, if Led Zeppelin had access to today's digital recording tech, I bet they would have used it. You can always add the 'broken' vibe later if needed. But hey, if people are listening to their mixes on worn-out KRK monitors in an untreated room and calling it a studio, nothing surprises me anymorethe lessons learned.
" if Led Zeppelin had access to today's digital recording tech, I bet they would have used it. You can always add the 'broken' vibe later if needed." Yep...and that's exactly what a lot of famous musicians did back in the 1980s. They invested in VERY expensive digital recording machines back then to avoid the issues tape brought with it. That last part is the conclusion Rupert Neve came to. Clean amplification as the base and then allow the user to add harmonics (saturation/distortion) afterwards, if desired. It makes sense! Now, if we could only get those mastering engineers/producers to stop limiting the life out of modern music, we could get back to a golden era of music!
@@RealHomeRecording Still, I am a big fan of committing on the way in. A thousand options afterwards doesn’t necessarily guarantee better results. If things sound bad, fix it at the source 😊
@@Chaos-Dynamics indeed/agreed. Budget no obstacle, I'd track with a Neve 1081/1084 or an api 550b on the way in with a Distressor, LA-2A and maybe the Black Box HG-2. We all would record with the nice stuff, why wouldn't we right? The only reason I wait until the mix to use all that is because I don't have money to burn, hahaha! I do have some very nice cameras though, which is my bread and butter.
here here. I actually took the opportunity on this year's black friday sales to unsubscribe from all of the email lists I'm on. Nice not getting so much junk every day.
Lol! John Hanes is answering questions on GS. (He's a super cool dude!) And the questions keep on asking, "what plugins are you using?" And he answers similar to you (paraphrasing), "Stop thinking about the plugins. Think about the sound you want and figure out how to achieve that. You have to put in the work." But everybody wants the "magic" plugins that apparently john and serban are using.
You are right. And learnt this the hardway. Uuuh expansive way. However some plugins are positive for productivity. Autoalign, ab metric etc. Some are color boxes like the silver bullet 2 for broadstrokes on your mix bus. and others are not so different from eachother. Like owning 10 different hammers. I think starting with a good console emulation (ssl4000e)and nice tape plugin (saturation)can get you very very far.
There are a bunch of plug ins that are very useful. What my complaint is with plug ins that simulate old gear that were not great by today's standards. I feel the younger engineers are being taken advantage of.
100%,.... newer generations think there is a magic bullet for every great sounding thing.. always trying to bypass experience and not having to put in the time to learn HOW to get great sounds.
many mix in the box the mixes can be saved perfectly and worked on forever,, i still like the old fashioned way,, granted digital tracks,, still tho a tape machine and a live console to mix on ,.
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Agreed. No plugin is going to magically make everything come out of your speakers sound amazing. Only large brilliant pebbles taped to your cables does that.
That's funny
When things are far enough in the past... people tend to forget When things are far enough in the past, people tend to forget the lessons learned.
I've made it a habit to periodically challenge my plugin chains-A/B testing them to see if a plugin is actually necessary.
As for tape machine plugins, I see them as purely a creative tool at best. Too many tape machine plugins just ruin the sound because people want that 'vintage' vibe. Honestly, if Led Zeppelin had access to today's digital recording tech, I bet they would have used it. You can always add the 'broken' vibe later if needed.
But hey, if people are listening to their mixes on worn-out KRK monitors in an untreated room and calling it a studio, nothing surprises me anymorethe lessons learned.
" if Led Zeppelin had access to today's digital recording tech, I bet they would have used it. You can always add the 'broken' vibe later if needed."
Yep...and that's exactly what a lot of famous musicians did back in the 1980s. They invested in VERY expensive digital recording machines back then to avoid the issues tape brought with it.
That last part is the conclusion Rupert Neve came to. Clean amplification as the base and then allow the user to add harmonics (saturation/distortion) afterwards, if desired. It makes sense!
Now, if we could only get those mastering engineers/producers to stop limiting the life out of modern music, we could get back to a golden era of music!
@@RealHomeRecording Still, I am a big fan of committing on the way in. A thousand options afterwards doesn’t necessarily guarantee better results. If things sound bad, fix it at the source 😊
KRKs in an untreated room....
@@Chaos-Dynamics indeed/agreed.
Budget no obstacle, I'd track with a Neve 1081/1084 or an api 550b on the way in with a Distressor, LA-2A and maybe the Black Box HG-2. We all would record with the nice stuff, why wouldn't we right?
The only reason I wait until the mix to use all that is because I don't have money to burn, hahaha! I do have some very nice cameras though, which is my bread and butter.
here here.
I actually took the opportunity on this year's black friday sales to unsubscribe from all of the email lists I'm on. Nice not getting so much junk every day.
Good for you
Lol! John Hanes is answering questions on GS. (He's a super cool dude!) And the questions keep on asking, "what plugins are you using?" And he answers similar to you (paraphrasing), "Stop thinking about the plugins. Think about the sound you want and figure out how to achieve that. You have to put in the work."
But everybody wants the "magic" plugins that apparently john and serban are using.
Cool, thanks!
You are right. And learnt this the hardway. Uuuh expansive way. However some plugins are positive for productivity. Autoalign, ab metric etc. Some are color boxes like the silver bullet 2 for broadstrokes on your mix bus. and others are not so different from eachother. Like owning 10 different hammers. I think starting with a good console emulation (ssl4000e)and nice tape plugin (saturation)can get you very very far.
There are a bunch of plug ins that are very useful. What my complaint is with plug ins that simulate old gear that were not great by today's standards. I feel the younger engineers are being taken advantage of.
100%,.... newer generations think there is a magic bullet for every great sounding thing.. always trying to bypass experience and not having to put in the time to learn HOW to get great sounds.
Yep
many mix in the box the mixes can be saved perfectly and worked on forever,, i still like the old fashioned way,, granted digital tracks,, still tho a tape machine and a live console to mix on ,.
Cool
@@themikarenolds2910 Same here, analog mixing. Recalls are a pain in the arse but every mix on the board gets finished way faster.
Hmm
You are so right. I have to admit I’ve fallen into this trap too.
Yep
Ironic coming from a former sales guy. 😂
I never sold a customer something that they didn't need...ever...
@@fantastictalesofproaudio2391 😀