One of my favorite things about Emongg's videos is that you can always press the back arrow button a bunch in the first second and hear him be a pirate.
The problem is they're not realizing that they're being taken advantage of. They're spawncamping a support whose only value at that point is keeping sombra out of the teamfight its actually so sad to see them not participate at all for the majority of the game when there's so much they could be doing simply by hacking things. they could be actively getting rid of turrets and pylons or shutting down multiple ultimates
I made this argument in reddit and got downvoted to hell. At that point, the support getting spawn camped is giving their team more value by taking Sombra out of the game entirely.
@TheShapingSickness I mean, if you gave the advice on anything besides the sombra sub, then they're probably just mad you're giving a sombra good critique
In short: You’re team was correct. You’re doing all the good things in the back line but should also be in the main team fight when the back line is secured.
This is a great summary. Not doing wrong things, just not doing all the right things (and maybe not the most important things - doing something good when you could be doing something great is still a loss of value). The fatal flaw of bad Sombras (bad players in general, but it's especially prominent with Sombra) is downtime. Too much time not doing something of value. Too much time setting up or pathing or waiting. Always be doing something - uptime, uptime, uptime.
I had a tank and a sombra spawn camp their support and dps for an entire game while doing nothing every 15 seconds. We obviously loss. We got blamed for not being able to win a 3 v 3. Oh the tank's win-loss was 4 wins in 70 comp games lol
NGL this Sombra deserves to be hardstuck forever. Lmao If not for just spawncamping that support but doing literally nothing useful whilst said spawncamped player's team pulled off the 4v4 each fight
This Sombra player will most likely climb though. His mechanical skills are really good in the silver rank. As long as he plays any hero other than Sombra. He will be forced to participate in team fights anyway.
10:38 I get emongg's frustration, this Sombra is actively sabotaging his team, and he doesn't want to be rude 😂😂😂 yeah I would report this sombra for sabotage.
Darn. I have never rooted so hard for someone to lose a match before. Such a selfish sombra, they gave so much value to the enemy team for free. Congrats on that support for keeping the sombra out of the fights most of the game.
i also want to point out that spawn camping is such a horrible experience for the one being spawn camped. you are basically bullying someone and not even getting that much value. why go for a bad play AND make the match so miserable for an enemy?
It really depends. If you're spawn camping and forcing 4v4 every time but your team is still losing I would say give up on it and play more with your team to try and help. On the flip side if you're spawn camping usually the person being camped will ask for help and even if only 1 other person comes back to help them you've now created a 4v3 and if your team can't win that then that's on them.
@grandheroking it's good for you to get spawn camped a bunch. Then you get practice at 1v1 vs sombra and learn how to beat her. I used to dread it, now when it happens I rarely lose. Get used to using moira and waiting to fade when you hear the hack and then bounce and orb around yourself. Sombra will never beat that 1v1. Or with other supps hug cover and go around a corner once you hear the hack. Worst case scenario it leaves the team in a 4v4. But if you get good at picking the sombra then you get a massive advantage in your teams favor.
11:06 bro could've EMP'd 4-5 players on the enemy team either early or on time ... Chose neither option and solo ult the below half Moira. I'm okay with the sup-optimal plays but the lack of accountability by saying "that's how Sombras play". My brother, if that's how Sombras play on your games, please let me queue with you
@@Bad3abdul true, they can improve through these situations. My point is just I feel empathy because they were trying and it seems like they were just being targeted by OP
As a diamond sombra main the first 30 seconds infuriated me… he didn’t kill the pylon or turret. And when the team finally engaged he sat there playing to safe he should’ve been up top shooting behind to take attention then tp out. And repeat. Also your playing against sigma sombra is a menace against sigma. No shield, no suck.
every ranked game ive been spawn camped like this i have won on support. if you just spawn camp you arent helping your team. if the opposing team knows for a fact where your sombra is and dont have to worry about emp becuase they are spawn camping a support you have done nothing.
This player seems to forget that Sombra can reload while in stealth. They did it a few times, but so many times they had like 20 bullets and didn't reload. The end of the first point, they used EMP with only one bullet!
My favorite thing as sombra is hacking the ults, rein wants to shatter? Nope, sig wants to sing? Nope, Moira wants to heal and damage? Nope. lol I’m not the best sombra in the slightest but I do like to be with my team than in a back line. I’ll go back there to turn them around but spawn camping just seems like bullying lol
@@Growtein You don't have to switch, be aware of walls and pillars. Pressure resources from the Sombra (Virus and Translocator). Once Translocator is used, they are out of the fight.
And on a technicality, it’s a 5v4 for their team because they have a torb turret that has infinite ammo, line of sight for 40 meters and a 100% accuracy. You don’t realize it, but you are absolutely throwing for your team right now.
I feel like a good way to illustrate the issue with this strategy is: When you 1v1 someone, one of you is effectively free to join the team fight for a while after winning the 1v1. If they win the 1v1, they're going to join the team fight and make it a 5v4 for them. If you win the 1v1, you're just standing there and it's a 4v4. So even if you win every single 1v1, you're not actually helping your team
maybe this is because i was a support main before maining sombra, but i feel like one of the best ways to play her is by being REALLY good at tracking ults. when you learn to track enemy ults, it gives you the opportunity to take all the value from those ults with your hack or emp. when you’re out of the team fight this much, you can’t help your team with/against those plays. i feel like sigma’s ult would have been useless here if OP had been more involved and used that emp on him rather than the moira who had already used all her cooldowns. i get that there is a certain assassin aspect to sombra’s kit but she’s also incredibly good at creating angles and taking pressure off your front line. if the enemy has a sombra, change up your plays to protect your backline and take value away from her flank. this was really hard to watch but hopefully they learn that there’s a lot more to sombra than spawn camping. she can get a lot of value from getting the other team to turn around, and even though that doesn’t always look great on the kill feed, you’ll end up winning a lot more games by just being involved in the team fight. good luck climbing and please stop spawn camping!! it’s not fun for the enemy or for your team!!!
I main lucio (basically otp) and I know how to track ults really well, and sombra feels very comfortable for me to play but I'm not the best at her because I have like 3 hours on her. I also have a general idea of where sombra players will position so I accidentally poke them out a lot when they least expect it. I've played against sombras so much as a lucio that it starts to become predictable where they will position. It feels like support players have an easier time learning sombra than dps players.
I know exactly how this person feels when spawn camping that moira. The feeling of superiority from bullying one person and not realizing being finessed into letting their own team getting stomped lmao
I like how no one gives 2 fk about whats going in the backline why does the same ana/moira keep dying to the same sombra every 20sec at spawn, and even when she attacks right behind them no one even bothers looking back xD
sombra wants you to look back so her team can kill you while she distracts although i'm not defending this player but if you watch the last sombra vod where emongg taught the person in a vid before you will see the reason
It really wasn’t their problem when they’re capping 2 points in a row without the Ana. Why throw the game trying to protect someone being spawn camped if you’re winning the 4v4? At that point it’s up to the Ana to adapt and win the 1v1
As someone who picked up sombra in the last year of OW1 the rework has introduced a new batch of "selfish" sombras who love to use virus to do nothing but spawncamp. Can it work sometimes? Yes. But not always! I have worse aim than this silver sombra and am currently gold 2 on dps cause of my involvements in teamfights. Sigma is SUCH an easy tank to bully as sombra, he should basically NEVER be able to get an ult off and you should be hacking him out of grasp to make him an easy target for your team. That gets SO much more value than all the downtime you have waiting for someone to respawn, killing them, then essentially going afk again.
It’s crazy how little value this guy managed to get from kills. Like, the point of a kill is to send them to their spawn as a 30 second timeout, but then they just voluntarily walk themselves to the enemy spawn and take the same 30 second penalty out of solidarity. Basically equal value to trolling and hopping off the map after each kill.
reminds me of a sombra i played against in qp who spent the entire game hacking my pylon, instead of killing it (or me, or my mercy, or anyone else on my team for that matter). like, she was certainly playing a game of overwatch! but not sure she was playing the same game of overwatch everyone else in the lobby was, you know? i was really rooting for a baggatarius comeback arch but alas, they did not learn to stop fading out of spawn
@@Bad3abdul they had the demon hunter ow1 skin equipped, but it def couldve been someone playing for the first time on their friends account, or someone just learning sombra (god knows i have that skin and gold gun, but havent played her since ow1) but it was a riot either way! spent a lot of time kinda staring at my own hacked pylon like i was on the office like "???"
As someone who loves playing sombra and being a menace and is probably my main DPS, I’m 4 minutes in and I want to scream. Faster reaction time, stop spectating, make decisions faster etc. Yes, being a menace in their back line and doin a lil spawn camp once or twice is fine, but you need to be more aggressive. I don’t know if you fix any of these before the VOD ends, but that’s what I’d recommend. 10 minutes in: STOP SPAWN CAMPING AAAAAAAA What… what is your grudge against this *one* support omg
man i've never been this mad from simply watching someone play a game.. throw of the century EDIT: after watching the sombra just stand there when cart is rolled into position, imma need to watch something else..
Oh my God. As a Sombra main myself, this was just painful. I think this is the first time I was screaming at my screen with the running away and needless solo EMPs. Just, go and do something. Please. Solo spawn camping doesn't do much and is rather useless overall. Just apply pressure, please.
Spawn camping is great if you also have other teammates trying to help the one you’re camping, like the supports trying to help each other while your team is at a 4v3 or maybe 4v2
brig is really not that good against sombras since the rework, especially at silver level. there's a game from a few ago of a silver support. brig into sombra and they were still pretty much dead before they could turn around. illari, moira and kiri are the best bets.
@@EmoTheElephant Brig is always the best support pick against Sombra just because of the range of her flail and her ability to deny any of Sombra's picks. She's a bodyguard hero for a reason. But as you've said yourself; silver is different from other ranks so the individual experience and submitted gameplay will be different.
@@azseal2669 oh for sure she's great as a bodyguard or in teamfights. But if the support is isolated getting spawncamped the brig swap will do nothing cause the sombra can virus and leave to ensure inspire isn't procced then come back and finish the job. Like, one of the supps they were camping was fading out of spawn and getting annihilated or chasing after the sombra when they only had like 20% health. The swap here would be a crutch and they'd probably still fall over anyway.
as a Sombra against Dva you always need to be tracking Dva's ult, after the bomb goes off you can hack her and prevent her from re-meching which makes her very easy to kill
The beauty of translocator is that you can bamf where you need to go really fast. You can spawn kill the healer, translocate back towards the team fight, and by the time you engage behind the rest of the enemy team, you have translocator back up. You can escape if the team turns around on you too much, or dip back to their spawn after your team gets a few more kills. Since the healer is still journeying back from spawn, they get stranded in the middle of no man's land if your team gets more kills, and you can turn back and finish them off. Even if you don't kill the healer in spawn, you're pulling their team into two or more directions. The pressure, not the elim, is the important part. Translocator makes you so hard to nail down if you're smart where you throw it, and you can be a real menace if you take all that downtime and use it to see where you can apply pressure and pull focus. (I'm also a big fan of the floor/wall translocator to get out of jail super fast and disappear around a corner.)
As a sombra main *waits out boos* here's how you have to think about it. Would there be any difference to your team or their team if instead both you and that ana trade kills. The only difference would be to your k/d respawn is about 20-30 sec if you find yourself out of the bike for longer than that as a Sombra, you essentially killed yourself and you might as well be walking back from spawn. So simple rotation get a kill, for about 10 seconds continue to be a nuisance maybe get another kill run back to their spawn, get that kill and then run back to the fight and another 20 seconds you rinse and repeat.
I’m not gonna lie. I just started playing overwatch 2 ever since it came out on Xbox game pass. Literally new to the game and trying out different characters on quick play and I get flamed when I do bad. The community on overwatch is ruthless lol.
I’d gladly sacrifice myself for spawn camping deaths if I could keep a somber out of the fight so the rest of my team rolls yours. Brutal truth, you deserve silver. Game sense, situational awareness, and map knowledge will benefit you greatly.
This is how you get people to hate Sombra, just spawn camping one poor shmuck who is getting trapped at spawn, but twice they get to move forward either by dying so far back as the spawn moved up or just waiting to get to warp to the new spawn for free as their team caps the next point. They also weren't innovating on how to face Sombra spawn camping. Moira was a fine enough pick, but wait to fade until after the hack attempt so that the stealth is broken, or if that's not available, then get biotic orb ready. Perhaps even holding out her hand to catch Sombra as she appears to interrupt the hack with biotic grasp. Still, if you get your kill and the enemy is still pushing the payload, with three players on it no less, you are not winning, and this feels like needing to break out of a "screw you, got mine" mentality, as harsh as that phrase makes it sound. As for points not made by Emongg, shoot turrets and pylons. Hacking the turret is fine, and if it's so far back behind the payload I too would not bother destroying it, but the pylon is another matter. Sombra is maybe the best hero to easily destroy a pylon wherever it is as she has enough range and flanking ability to find it and shoot it from safety and without needing to get up onto a wall to reach it like Tracer or Reaper might if it got thrown up high and out of their reach. Sombra's more gradual damage style is more easily thwarted by an instant tracking 40hp shot of healing over and over, which buys the enemy time to fight back.
If your spawn camping someone yet the enemy team IS STILL beating your team. It could also be that you’re focusing down the wrong person. I say this because even when you’re not spawn camping, you can sometimes fish out the person that’s holding the team together whether it’s the tank, DPS or support. Sometimes there really only is ONE PERSON keeping the team going. I will also add that there were times where I was CLEARLY not that person and my team was able to grab the win.😂
“Why did they nerf sombra invis?!??!” This is why, sitting around doing nothing when you should be active, doesn’t happen as often in high ranks but the majority of sombra playtime is people doing this instead of being useful. She is still a very good flanker and a very very good dualist
As someone who doesn't even have the confidence to play their second QP game, this is painful to watch. They're practically playing Spectator Simulator
What a disgusting use of EMP 😭Ive never seen someone solo ult EMP that many times. Thats absolutely crazy. One of the best ults that automatically effects the whole enemy team if they're in range AND YOU USE IT TO SOLO ULT A 20HP ENEMY 😭Also if you spawncamp one person multiple times in a row, you're automatically scum.
2nd round imo him spawn camping the Ana is HUGE! This means it's just 1 tank, 2 dps, and 1 healer on their side, and on his side he has 1 tank with TWO healers, they shouldn't go down.
What the hell did this Sombra against that Moira man.... This happened to me recently (as a Moira player) and I legit wanted to ragequit. It made the match unplayable, even when I tried to switch characters.
Tbf I'm surprised that Kiriko was able to keep up in the team fights. I feel like on attack they did okay but that defense was certainly something. Like they did better than a lot of sombras who just feed but being down a dps sucks especially with just Sym
One thing as a Sombra player, is that u don't always have to hack ur opponent. Let's say it's a Zen or a Widow, a pick like that can be killed easily and quicker, compared to hacking. When you hack, it gives the opponent much more time to react and kill you.
They have their priorities backwards. Spawn camps are good if your team loses the fight but 1 person died that you know you can kill/slow down before the next team fight then winning the next fight 5v4. It isn't something you do constantly so you are out of the fight too making every team fight 4v4. This is the kind of person that will spawn kill a DPS over and over and then bring up the scoreboard saying "look how many times their DPS died" it can't be my fault.
Emongg soon I think you should add whatever number of kills you have with the whatever number wins whatever number of loses and whatever number of deaths
omg that was a whole lot of nothing if i was in that game that sombra would be #1 on my avoid list i’d rather swallow thumbtacks than have them on my team
Also they’re not going to be able to rank up much more by taking the fights they’re doing. Like choosing to engage the junkrat directly in front of him would immediately get him killed in even plat. Probably 3/4s of his engagements should’ve gotten him killed it’s just Sombra in low ranks.
One of my favorite things about Emongg's videos is that you can always press the back arrow button a bunch in the first second and hear him be a pirate.
Lmao i love your pfp btw
I had to try it. Will be doing this now.
Banger comment
Did this like 50 times thanks for the idea
I often do this with his videos, thought it was just me xD
"Isn't this how you play Sombra?". Only if your entire purpose is to troll one opponent and your entire team.
its how i play lol
@@joshuatucker1464I'm definitely the same if the game is already lost and they're playing a mean Widow or something
The problem is they're not realizing that they're being taken advantage of. They're spawncamping a support whose only value at that point is keeping sombra out of the teamfight
its actually so sad to see them not participate at all for the majority of the game when there's so much they could be doing simply by hacking things. they could be actively getting rid of turrets and pylons or shutting down multiple ultimates
I enjoy when sombras do this against me/my team I’ll just turn on the mic and let them know I’m being spawncamped , and cheer them on, for the 4v4 lol
Went against a sombra that did this to me when I was playing Mercy...needless to say, having 2 dps vs 1 dps had them lose so bad.
I made this argument in reddit and got downvoted to hell. At that point, the support getting spawn camped is giving their team more value by taking Sombra out of the game entirely.
@TheShapingSickness I mean, if you gave the advice on anything besides the sombra sub, then they're probably just mad you're giving a sombra good critique
Smurfs troll low ranks as sombra by spawn camping all match. This player saw that and assumed that's how you play Sombra
I felt so bad for that support…RIP Baggitarius fly high.
Lmao honestly they did not deserve to be put out of the game entirely like that for what, sob
Watching them ignore a sig ulting that they could’ve stopped multiple times is just painful
In short: You’re team was correct. You’re doing all the good things in the back line but should also be in the main team fight when the back line is secured.
This is a great summary. Not doing wrong things, just not doing all the right things (and maybe not the most important things - doing something good when you could be doing something great is still a loss of value).
The fatal flaw of bad Sombras (bad players in general, but it's especially prominent with Sombra) is downtime. Too much time not doing something of value. Too much time setting up or pathing or waiting. Always be doing something - uptime, uptime, uptime.
imagine doing nothing for 10/14 seconds and thinking your getting value
I had a tank and a sombra spawn camp their support and dps for an entire game while doing nothing every 15 seconds. We obviously loss. We got blamed for not being able to win a 3 v 3. Oh the tank's win-loss was 4 wins in 70 comp games lol
@@berniechoy5482 Sounds like they were deliberately deranking maybe
@@karameiyeah there was a vid on Emongg’s channel of a clearly decent duo spawn camping a single support and losing purposely
@@berniechoy5482was it a ball player
@@ysmmac6015 I think they were Rein or Sigma
my worst fear is watching one of these vids for fun and accidentally appearing in a spectating silver 😭😭
😂😂😂 same!
Dude sole's objective seemed to be that Baggatarius wasn't going to enjoy that game.
Sombras like this are equal points annoying to play against and great to play against for every reason shown here.
NGL this Sombra deserves to be hardstuck forever. Lmao
If not for just spawncamping that support but doing literally nothing useful whilst said spawncamped player's team pulled off the 4v4 each fight
look at the enemy sombra she was really involved in team fights and look how her team did
This Sombra player will most likely climb though. His mechanical skills are really good in the silver rank.
As long as he plays any hero other than Sombra. He will be forced to participate in team fights anyway.
"isn't this how you play sombra"
I can't tell by the first two minutes that NO that's not how you play sombra 😂😂😂
10:38 I get emongg's frustration, this Sombra is actively sabotaging his team, and he doesn't want to be rude 😂😂😂 yeah I would report this sombra for sabotage.
This is the most selfish player I’ve seen on this channel! Solo emp, afraid to touch cart, plays and ults out of team fights
Praying all my haters get this type of player on their team, all day, everyday 🙏
@@pspspspspspspspspspspspspspss it would suck to be spawn camped by sombra tho
I love the solo emp but still nearly losing the 1v1. That's what gets me.
Sooo, standard sombra play
This is the average sombra gamer in any rank below diamond
this one had bro stressin
Darn. I have never rooted so hard for someone to lose a match before. Such a selfish sombra, they gave so much value to the enemy team for free. Congrats on that support for keeping the sombra out of the fights most of the game.
I just see sombra and root against them no matter who plays that rat
@@fenixspider5776People with a mindset like that is the reason the OW community sucks
@@HubTutleshhhh, youre not supposed to make sense when talking about ow
@@HubTutle exactly
@@fenixspider5776 I hope they buff Sombra just to spite you. Seriously though, I don't play her but I think she's a bit weak.
that “you’re not gonna touch point” sealed the deal
Alot of people think that getting first pick is free value, but if you fail to do anything past that, its almost like you never got a kill.
It’s been a very long time since I’ve seen someone’s gameplay give emongg an aneurysm.
i also want to point out that spawn camping is such a horrible experience for the one being spawn camped. you are basically bullying someone and not even getting that much value. why go for a bad play AND make the match so miserable for an enemy?
Nah if you get spawn camped 4 times you are just bad
@@manuelhuttner6362 and? it's still not fun. it feels awful.
It really depends. If you're spawn camping and forcing 4v4 every time but your team is still losing I would say give up on it and play more with your team to try and help. On the flip side if you're spawn camping usually the person being camped will ask for help and even if only 1 other person comes back to help them you've now created a 4v3 and if your team can't win that then that's on them.
@grandheroking it's good for you to get spawn camped a bunch. Then you get practice at 1v1 vs sombra and learn how to beat her. I used to dread it, now when it happens I rarely lose. Get used to using moira and waiting to fade when you hear the hack and then bounce and orb around yourself. Sombra will never beat that 1v1. Or with other supps hug cover and go around a corner once you hear the hack. Worst case scenario it leaves the team in a 4v4. But if you get good at picking the sombra then you get a massive advantage in your teams favor.
@@manuelhuttner6362 we found another bully lmao!! they can't help but brag about being a bully online, its hysterical 😂😂😂
11:06 bro could've EMP'd 4-5 players on the enemy team either early or on time ... Chose neither option and solo ult the below half Moira. I'm okay with the sup-optimal plays but the lack of accountability by saying "that's how Sombras play". My brother, if that's how Sombras play on your games, please let me queue with you
hi, im the sombra, you want in? lol
@@paperclipman4640 Yes please
That poor support player getting targeted and camped
He gunna download hacks for this guy lmao
so if you get spawn camped better to blame yourself i mean when u get spawn camped don't feel sad or anything
@@Bad3abdul true, they can improve through these situations. My point is just I feel empathy because they were trying and it seems like they were just being targeted by OP
@@Talooly yh I get it lol feel for the guy probably their first time being spawn cramped as they didn't know what to do
As a diamond sombra main the first 30 seconds infuriated me… he didn’t kill the pylon or turret. And when the team finally engaged he sat there playing to safe he should’ve been up top shooting behind to take attention then tp out. And repeat. Also your playing against sigma sombra is a menace against sigma. No shield, no suck.
The whole vids infuriating as a Sombra main tbh, there's only a handful of nice moments between the agony, lmao.
every ranked game ive been spawn camped like this i have won on support. if you just spawn camp you arent helping your team. if the opposing team knows for a fact where your sombra is and dont have to worry about emp becuase they are spawn camping a support you have done nothing.
Omg I literally said the same thing! Spawn camp me? Cool. My team has always won.
I was hoping that would be the case here. 😢
This player seems to forget that Sombra can reload while in stealth. They did it a few times, but so many times they had like 20 bullets and didn't reload. The end of the first point, they used EMP with only one bullet!
My man blud has 20 kills and 18 of them are on the support leaving spawn.
My favorite thing as sombra is hacking the ults, rein wants to shatter? Nope, sig wants to sing? Nope, Moira wants to heal and damage? Nope. lol I’m not the best sombra in the slightest but I do like to be with my team than in a back line. I’ll go back there to turn them around but spawn camping just seems like bullying lol
Watching this Sombra absolutely refuse to shoot pylons directly in front of them was so painful lol
I dont know whats more painful, spawn camping a player the whole game and losing or that player never adapting to the spawn camp lmao
He's basing his sombra gameplay off of the smurfs who play sombra in low rank and troll by spawn killing one player all match.
How to adapt to the spawn camp? If Moira is picked by the other support. How can we win a 1v1 against a Sombra?
@@GrowteinBrigg I’ve found can be decent to take out a Sombra
@@Growtein idk maybe learn how to hit your shots? plenty of sups can 1v1 a sombra with their cds and dps.
@@Growtein You don't have to switch, be aware of walls and pillars. Pressure resources from the Sombra (Virus and Translocator). Once Translocator is used, they are out of the fight.
I too am in agony at that C9.
Play the song Emongg. It’s been too long.
he didn't know what to say anymore
And on a technicality, it’s a 5v4 for their team because they have a torb turret that has infinite ammo, line of sight for 40 meters and a 100% accuracy. You don’t realize it, but you are absolutely throwing for your team right now.
I feel like a good way to illustrate the issue with this strategy is:
When you 1v1 someone, one of you is effectively free to join the team fight for a while after winning the 1v1. If they win the 1v1, they're going to join the team fight and make it a 5v4 for them. If you win the 1v1, you're just standing there and it's a 4v4. So even if you win every single 1v1, you're not actually helping your team
maybe this is because i was a support main before maining sombra, but i feel like one of the best ways to play her is by being REALLY good at tracking ults. when you learn to track enemy ults, it gives you the opportunity to take all the value from those ults with your hack or emp. when you’re out of the team fight this much, you can’t help your team with/against those plays.
i feel like sigma’s ult would have been useless here if OP had been more involved and used that emp on him rather than the moira who had already used all her cooldowns.
i get that there is a certain assassin aspect to sombra’s kit but she’s also incredibly good at creating angles and taking pressure off your front line. if the enemy has a sombra, change up your plays to protect your backline and take value away from her flank.
this was really hard to watch but hopefully they learn that there’s a lot more to sombra than spawn camping.
she can get a lot of value from getting the other team to turn around, and even though that doesn’t always look great on the kill feed, you’ll end up winning a lot more games by just being involved in the team fight. good luck climbing and please stop spawn camping!! it’s not fun for the enemy or for your team!!!
I main lucio (basically otp) and I know how to track ults really well, and sombra feels very comfortable for me to play but I'm not the best at her because I have like 3 hours on her.
I also have a general idea of where sombra players will position so I accidentally poke them out a lot when they least expect it. I've played against sombras so much as a lucio that it starts to become predictable where they will position.
It feels like support players have an easier time learning sombra than dps players.
3:30 that EMP on the low HP Torb and his turret sent me to the hospital
I know exactly how this person feels when spawn camping that moira. The feeling of superiority from bullying one person and not realizing being finessed into letting their own team getting stomped lmao
I like how no one gives 2 fk about whats going in the backline why does the same ana/moira keep dying to the same sombra every 20sec at spawn, and even when she attacks right behind them no one even bothers looking back xD
sombra wants you to look back so her team can kill you while she distracts although i'm not defending this player but if you watch the last sombra vod where emongg taught the person in a vid before you will see the reason
It's very typical for metal rank dps to have the not myproblem attitude towards helping their teammates especially supports
It really wasn’t their problem when they’re capping 2 points in a row without the Ana. Why throw the game trying to protect someone being spawn camped if you’re winning the 4v4? At that point it’s up to the Ana to adapt and win the 1v1
@@reissyboi7527 soo true
@@rickfsu22 I hope you know all of them turning back to help your so called "support" would've thrown the game
As someone who picked up sombra in the last year of OW1 the rework has introduced a new batch of "selfish" sombras who love to use virus to do nothing but spawncamp. Can it work sometimes? Yes. But not always! I have worse aim than this silver sombra and am currently gold 2 on dps cause of my involvements in teamfights. Sigma is SUCH an easy tank to bully as sombra, he should basically NEVER be able to get an ult off and you should be hacking him out of grasp to make him an easy target for your team. That gets SO much more value than all the downtime you have waiting for someone to respawn, killing them, then essentially going afk again.
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It’s crazy how little value this guy managed to get from kills. Like, the point of a kill is to send them to their spawn as a 30 second timeout, but then they just voluntarily walk themselves to the enemy spawn and take the same 30 second penalty out of solidarity. Basically equal value to trolling and hopping off the map after each kill.
I can almost guarantee he/she was typing "30-3 I'm doing my job." I'd bet my life on it 😂
suddenly i feel great about my sombra
can relate lol
Honestly this is real
Switch
reminds me of a sombra i played against in qp who spent the entire game hacking my pylon, instead of killing it (or me, or my mercy, or anyone else on my team for that matter). like, she was certainly playing a game of overwatch! but not sure she was playing the same game of overwatch everyone else in the lobby was, you know? i was really rooting for a baggatarius comeback arch but alas, they did not learn to stop fading out of spawn
prob their first encounter lol they were lost
@@Bad3abdul they had the demon hunter ow1 skin equipped, but it def couldve been someone playing for the first time on their friends account, or someone just learning sombra (god knows i have that skin and gold gun, but havent played her since ow1) but it was a riot either way! spent a lot of time kinda staring at my own hacked pylon like i was on the office like "???"
@@catdaddie yh
dude 15:57 had me literally screaming wtf ???! has to be trolling?
All I could think the entire game was these are the people in Twitch chats saying they’re in ELO hell and carry every game and still lose.
As someone who loves playing sombra and being a menace and is probably my main DPS, I’m 4 minutes in and I want to scream. Faster reaction time, stop spectating, make decisions faster etc. Yes, being a menace in their back line and doin a lil spawn camp once or twice is fine, but you need to be more aggressive. I don’t know if you fix any of these before the VOD ends, but that’s what I’d recommend.
10 minutes in: STOP SPAWN CAMPING AAAAAAAA
What… what is your grudge against this *one* support omg
I was screaming to either hack the fucking nylon or destroy it! Stop with just the damn torb turret
> As someone who loves playing sombra and being a menace and is probably my main DPS
WHO HURT YOU WHEN YOU WERE KID BRO?
That matters to you? .... cringe much 😂@@fenixspider5776
@@fenixspider5776nobody. they’re clearly just like to see other people suffer. Sombra mains all share the same last dying brain cell.
most emotionally mature Sombra haters
man i've never been this mad from simply watching someone play a game.. throw of the century
EDIT: after watching the sombra just stand there when cart is rolled into position, imma need to watch something else..
This Sombra thinks hes the main character 😂
This guy definitely has studied and read the manual on Sombra but forgot completely about all other aspects of the game 😂
Oh my God. As a Sombra main myself, this was just painful. I think this is the first time I was screaming at my screen with the running away and needless solo EMPs. Just, go and do something. Please. Solo spawn camping doesn't do much and is rather useless overall. Just apply pressure, please.
Spawn camping is great if you also have other teammates trying to help the one you’re camping, like the supports trying to help each other while your team is at a 4v3 or maybe 4v2
So report the Sombra. Thanks for the tip.
You got so fucking lucky that they never used a counter against you. Had they swapped to Brig or Cass you would have exploded
brig is really not that good against sombras since the rework, especially at silver level. there's a game from a few ago of a silver support. brig into sombra and they were still pretty much dead before they could turn around. illari, moira and kiri are the best bets.
@@EmoTheElephant they don't have to be the best but Brig still has more survivability
@@EmoTheElephant Brig is always the best support pick against Sombra just because of the range of her flail and her ability to deny any of Sombra's picks. She's a bodyguard hero for a reason. But as you've said yourself; silver is different from other ranks so the individual experience and submitted gameplay will be different.
@@azseal2669 oh for sure she's great as a bodyguard or in teamfights. But if the support is isolated getting spawncamped the brig swap will do nothing cause the sombra can virus and leave to ensure inspire isn't procced then come back and finish the job. Like, one of the supps they were camping was fading out of spawn and getting annihilated or chasing after the sombra when they only had like 20% health. The swap here would be a crutch and they'd probably still fall over anyway.
as a Sombra against Dva you always need to be tracking Dva's ult, after the bomb goes off you can hack her and prevent her from re-meching which makes her very easy to kill
The beauty of translocator is that you can bamf where you need to go really fast. You can spawn kill the healer, translocate back towards the team fight, and by the time you engage behind the rest of the enemy team, you have translocator back up. You can escape if the team turns around on you too much, or dip back to their spawn after your team gets a few more kills. Since the healer is still journeying back from spawn, they get stranded in the middle of no man's land if your team gets more kills, and you can turn back and finish them off. Even if you don't kill the healer in spawn, you're pulling their team into two or more directions. The pressure, not the elim, is the important part. Translocator makes you so hard to nail down if you're smart where you throw it, and you can be a real menace if you take all that downtime and use it to see where you can apply pressure and pull focus. (I'm also a big fan of the floor/wall translocator to get out of jail super fast and disappear around a corner.)
the way i don’t even play sombra but i was screaming the entire time watching this..
As a sombra main *waits out boos* here's how you have to think about it. Would there be any difference to your team or their team if instead both you and that ana trade kills.
The only difference would be to your k/d respawn is about 20-30 sec if you find yourself out of the bike for longer than that as a Sombra, you essentially killed yourself and you might as well be walking back from spawn.
So simple rotation get a kill, for about 10 seconds continue to be a nuisance maybe get another kill run back to their spawn, get that kill and then run back to the fight and another 20 seconds you rinse and repeat.
The classic "I get kills, why no win?"
I’m not gonna lie. I just started playing overwatch 2 ever since it came out on Xbox game pass. Literally new to the game and trying out different characters on quick play and I get flamed when I do bad. The community on overwatch is ruthless lol.
I’d gladly sacrifice myself for spawn camping deaths if I could keep a somber out of the fight so the rest of my team rolls yours. Brutal truth, you deserve silver. Game sense, situational awareness, and map knowledge will benefit you greatly.
ouch, i hate to burst ur bubble, but im in gold 4 now.
4:03 I have to say I think Juno's ult might have passed one or both of those ults it is SO strong.
This is how you get people to hate Sombra, just spawn camping one poor shmuck who is getting trapped at spawn, but twice they get to move forward either by dying so far back as the spawn moved up or just waiting to get to warp to the new spawn for free as their team caps the next point. They also weren't innovating on how to face Sombra spawn camping. Moira was a fine enough pick, but wait to fade until after the hack attempt so that the stealth is broken, or if that's not available, then get biotic orb ready. Perhaps even holding out her hand to catch Sombra as she appears to interrupt the hack with biotic grasp. Still, if you get your kill and the enemy is still pushing the payload, with three players on it no less, you are not winning, and this feels like needing to break out of a "screw you, got mine" mentality, as harsh as that phrase makes it sound.
As for points not made by Emongg, shoot turrets and pylons. Hacking the turret is fine, and if it's so far back behind the payload I too would not bother destroying it, but the pylon is another matter. Sombra is maybe the best hero to easily destroy a pylon wherever it is as she has enough range and flanking ability to find it and shoot it from safety and without needing to get up onto a wall to reach it like Tracer or Reaper might if it got thrown up high and out of their reach. Sombra's more gradual damage style is more easily thwarted by an instant tracking 40hp shot of healing over and over, which buys the enemy time to fight back.
The starting part looked decent and then the second half began and I was like oh
I never hated a sombra soo much before in my life
hi, im the soimbra, and i nget messaged vulgar such all the time
What Emongg doesn't understand is that this type of Sombra play makes the ego feel good.
If your spawn camping someone yet the enemy team IS STILL beating your team.
It could also be that you’re focusing down the wrong person.
I say this because even when you’re not spawn camping, you can sometimes fish out the person that’s holding the team together whether it’s the tank, DPS or support. Sometimes there really only is ONE PERSON keeping the team going.
I will also add that there were times where I was CLEARLY not that person and my team was able to grab the win.😂
rare spawncamper pov. i honestly thought all spawncampers where trolls
This video showed me how to play her correctly, i dont play as sombra bcs i didnt know how to play as her but now i do, great video
"Don't blame your teammates" challenge and this is your teammate
Damn, I still remember spending most of time being spawned over and over again as Zen because of a Sombra like this.
Love to see a Sombra game
“Why did they nerf sombra invis?!??!”
This is why, sitting around doing nothing when you should be active, doesn’t happen as often in high ranks but the majority of sombra playtime is people doing this instead of being useful.
She is still a very good flanker and a very very good dualist
In terms of a WoW raid, their Moira was off-tanking the adds.
ALRIGHT SO!!!
Todays video!
I think they watched Fitzy have too much fun spawn-camping Zenyatta
As someone who doesn't even have the confidence to play their second QP game, this is painful to watch. They're practically playing Spectator Simulator
Like at that point you are basically dying alongside with the dude you just killed
What a disgusting use of EMP 😭Ive never seen someone solo ult EMP that many times. Thats absolutely crazy. One of the best ults that automatically effects the whole enemy team if they're in range AND YOU USE IT TO SOLO ULT A 20HP ENEMY 😭Also if you spawncamp one person multiple times in a row, you're automatically scum.
i have no words for this type of sombra players. be for real.
Not reloading was hurting me along with not helping after making a play.
That poor support player, him from this prison 😂
2nd round imo him spawn camping the Ana is HUGE! This means it's just 1 tank, 2 dps, and 1 healer on their side, and on his side he has 1 tank with TWO healers, they shouldn't go down.
Noone tried to decloak the Sombra. Mindless players in lower ranks
broooo this had me rolling
What the hell did this Sombra against that Moira man....
This happened to me recently (as a Moira player) and I legit wanted to ragequit. It made the match unplayable, even when I tried to switch characters.
lol
just remember in situations like that to blame yourself
This happened to me as a Zen player, my other support insta locked Moira. Brutal.
Tbf I'm surprised that Kiriko was able to keep up in the team fights. I feel like on attack they did okay but that defense was certainly something. Like they did better than a lot of sombras who just feed but being down a dps sucks especially with just Sym
One thing as a Sombra player, is that u don't always have to hack ur opponent. Let's say it's a Zen or a Widow, a pick like that can be killed easily and quicker, compared to hacking. When you hack, it gives the opponent much more time to react and kill you.
ik, its an unfortunate habit i picked up
Triggerbot on the virus cant hit a moving target with gun but landed almost every virus
This has to be trolling...
sombra should have semi invis if lurking too close like some other team games with stealth, or timed
Bro is worried about stats and didn’t touch payload to stop it sad 💀
They have their priorities backwards. Spawn camps are good if your team loses the fight but 1 person died that you know you can kill/slow down before the next team fight then winning the next fight 5v4. It isn't something you do constantly so you are out of the fight too making every team fight 4v4.
This is the kind of person that will spawn kill a DPS over and over and then bring up the scoreboard saying "look how many times their DPS died" it can't be my fault.
The sombra not reloading bothered me more than anything
Emongg soon I think you should add whatever number of kills you have with the whatever number wins whatever number of loses and whatever number of deaths
I'm gonna be honest, dude's actually lethal on Sombra with that aim. He just needs to figure out how to play in the team fight now.
thx, i been working on this since the vod
Well the did practically stand still and wait to be killed lol
omg that was a whole lot of nothing if i was in that game that sombra would be #1 on my avoid list i’d rather swallow thumbtacks than have them on my team
hurtful ;-;
This is why I want more agency when it comes to ranking up I don't want my rank controlled by people like this
First round, Alucard had zero fun, second round, poor Baggatarius was having ZERO fun lmao.
Also they’re not going to be able to rank up much more by taking the fights they’re doing. Like choosing to engage the junkrat directly in front of him would immediately get him killed in even plat. Probably 3/4s of his engagements should’ve gotten him killed it’s just Sombra in low ranks.
standing completely still and doing nothing on a mobility character
I’m a Sombra main and I’ve never spawn camped.
This was their best game as sombra.....think about that. Think about what a normal game is.
i finished with 64 kills, yeah i admit i felt good in ths game but not anymore
The torb turret EMP tho
I almost swore I was in this game bc I had this exact kind of player on Circuit Royale as well 😂
Also 16:00 play the song emongg