@@rich1051414 well, i was thinking about it as a joke but that you started to have "real" discussion about this, then i will comment a little more on it - you are both kinda wrong or at least it is not that important as much as you think. 1)connecting your mobile phone to WLAN shows all those computer names, to any app on your mobile phone. That can be good thing or bad thing, also to you personally - SMB is most buggy and most exploited service on internet... 2) Because
Extremely glad that your video came across my recommendations. As someone who is using nvim in Powershell, not being able to optimize my OS for productivity has been quite annoying. Cheers.
today i understood the power of internet. u mentioned you were looking for solution i3 for windows or close to it for last 5 years and here i just google it and your youtube video shows up which was uploaded 3 weeks ago and this explains how much time internet saved for me otherwise i could've been searching for the solution for all over the web so thanks and i mean it
Thank you for making this. I'll still use Linux as my daily driver, but this has got to be a god send for me as a wm enjoyer having forced to use Windows for university work.
"Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power" On a serious note, this is actually really neat and I'll recommend it to a few of my friends who are forced to use Windows
Well, a lot of things linux can do under the hood is possible with windows, but people start with windows as a children just bashing keys, not having proper education on what it is capable of, so most people are doing linux because of wrong reasons... Just mere fact that most linux users are surprised that windows has command prompt/console, too is hilarious.
Love the reference. I believe people can use whatever they want, its hard enough to move. Whatever makes it easy for them to take action is a good thing :)
thats really amazing congratulations on creating the perfect setup for you. personally my #1 favorite part of linux that i would never leave it for is the drivers. so its funny we are basically opposites because you have a setup that includes everything from linux but NOT any real linux hardware drivers and actually i configure my GUI to behave exactly like windows, but would never use windows because i want the linux-only drivers and apps. so we are really opposite
How interesting! Do you have anything you can share with me so I can learn more about the 'linux hardware drivers' world. I'll love to learn more and see what features of linux I'm missing.
@@juntekim i just wrote a 2000 word response listing actual dozens of things in detail that bare metal GNU/Linux has that WSL does not have but youtube deleted it when i posted it, thanks youtube. i guess i have to keep it brief, i'll mention some major things that are deal breakers for me personally about WSL - cannot have amdgpu kernel module and all features it provides including amdgpu.ppfeaturemask=0xffffffff, native /usr/bin/Xorg, /dev/fb0, native DRM backend of: ffmpeg, SDL2, kmscube, glmark2, includes everything that native Xorg can do that is not present in WSL-g like working ibus-typing-booster, copy and paste PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD, drag and drop, always on top/behind, global hotkeys, global screenshot tools like flameshot and gpick, working apps without the extreme graphical artifacts most apps have in WSL-g (list of Xorg features that nothing else has goes on and on for quite some time) - commands i explained in detail in the lost reply but hopefully you know why they dont fully work in WSL (only limited partial-to-no functionality due to VM sandbox) so ill just list some in this shorter response: chvt lspci lsusb kexec modprobe dmidecode ncdu ip openvpn parted fdisk efibootmgr iptables dd mount transset xrandr florence bluetoothctl alsamixer pactl pavucontrol helvum soundux easyeffects discord-screenaudio systemctl/rc-service/equivalents (windows services are not equivalent in features) the list goes on and on - large amounts of kernel space drivers that are superior to any windows option like the dualshock gamepad driver - MULTISEAT functionality, in many different modes BOTH virtualization-based AND NON-virtualization-based. Windows Server 2016's features exclusive to that windows version are a pale imitation of the power of multiseat on true UNIX-like OS. - performance overhead of the 2 OS sandbox instead of 1 OS bare metal in pretty much everything ESPECIALLY nested virtualization with KVM or nested LXC with Docker. this is pretty self explanatory im afraid if i make this longer that youtube won't allow it so if you have additional questions or need clarification or want examples of more things or more explanation then ask here or preferably message me on discord at account "owokitty" or matrix @owokitty:matrix org
@@juntekim i just wrote a 2000 word response listing actual dozens of things in detail that bare metal GNU/Linux has that WSL does not have but youtube deleted it when i posted it, thanks youtube. i guess i have to keep it brief, i'll mention some major things that are deal breakers for me personally about WSL - cannot have amdgpu kernel module and all features it provides including amdgpu.ppfeaturemask=0xffffffff, native /usr/bin/Xorg, /dev/fb0, native DRM backend of: ffmpeg, SDL2, kmscube, glmark2, includes everything that native Xorg can do that is not present in WSL-g like working ibus-typing-booster, copy and paste PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD, drag and drop, always on top/behind, global hotkeys, global screenshot tools like flameshot and gpick, working apps without the extreme graphical artifacts most apps have in WSL-g (list of Xorg features that nothing else has goes on and on for quite some time) - commands i explained in detail in the lost reply but hopefully you know why they dont fully work in WSL (only limited partial-to-no functionality due to VM sandbox) so ill just list some in this shorter response: chvt lspci lsusb kexec modprobe dmidecode ncdu ip openvpn parted fdisk efibootmgr iptables dd mount transset xrandr florence bluetoothctl alsamixer pactl pavucontrol helvum soundux easyeffects discord-screenaudio systemctl/rc-service/equivalents (windows services are not equivalent in features) the list goes on and on - large amounts of kernel space drivers that are superior to any windows option like the dualshock gamepad driver - MULTISEAT functionality, in many different modes BOTH virtualization-based AND NON-virtualization-based. Windows Server 2016's features exclusive to that windows version are a pale imitation of the power of multiseat on true UNIX-like OS. - performance overhead of the 2 OS sandbox instead of 1 OS bare metal in pretty much everything ESPECIALLY nested virtualization with KVM or nested LXC with Docker. this is pretty self explanatory im afraid if i make this longer that youtube won't allow it so if you have additional questions or need clarification or want examples of more things or more explanation then ask here or preferably message me on discord at account "owokitty" or matrix [at symbol] owokitty [colon] matrix [dot] org
Heck yea! I've used workspacer in the past and loved it. It works pretty well. Some issues i've had was some workspacer crashes. No worries, it just crashes the workspacer program and not the screen or computer. Once I learned that I can use the winget package manager, my immediate search was a tiling window manager lol. This was around 2020 before I switched to linux fully. So Workspacer should be pretty stable nowadays.
I used i3 in the past and I loved it, but in my job I had to use windows and I missed i3 every single day for some years. I'm marrying to this program right now!
This is absolutely amazing! Some time ago, I was completely done with Windows, but lately, especially with Windows 11, they're not doing too bad. I decided to start using it again. Like you, I'm accustomed to using a lot of virtual machines, VLANs, connected to other PCs, Linux, and IoT. One of the things I missed the most was definitely a tiling window manager. Personally, I used Qtile and Xmonad, but pretty much tried most of them. I wasn't doing too bad since, with Tmux, I get somewhat the same functionality, as I use the terminal a lot. However, having this now is absolutely amazing!
I am in dual boot, switching constantly between Linux and Windows, this will help me stay in Windows trought the day, unless I reeally need a Linux tool, thanks for sharing (for anyone asking, I prefer Linux overall, but my computer is shared so I must leave it booted in Windows when i´m not using it so it gets really anoying)
i used komorebi for window management before switching entirely to Linux, but this looks cool too if this is easy for non-tech ppl to use i might even recommend this
Idk what to say but I saw this comment a week ago and thought "yeah judging by that pfp he def played fn" then I saw a random video abt me on my recommended by upshall and saw you in the comments. 1 in a million chance
if i would have found this before i switched to linux full time i may have considered staying on windows lmao either way cool stuff that you're introducing i3 to windows users
Apologies that I didn't make the video sooner! I'm sure if you go to windows again in the future it can be useful. Did you have to 'sacrfice' anything by switching to linux?
Surprisingly responsive considering it's a third-party tool on top of the Windows window manager, which is closed source. Only Microsoft is capable of making a true tiling window manager as only they have the source code. So there will always be limitations.
For MacOS theres yabai for i3/BSPWM like tiling and amethyst for DWM like tiling. Both are the same kinda jank like the windows one he mentioned. You'll have to use Linux if you want proper Tiling WMs, but for people who cant, these are the only options
@@juntekim rectangle only gives you snap to edges feature like on windows 10 and 11, not automatic tiling. I have that on my Mac as well. Yabai and amethyst are automatic tilers
Oo this is amazing. In my windows, I'm using the dwm-32 (a windows port of suckless dwm) and it is kinda buggy and a bit unresponsive. For my arch, i use i3 and it's so amazing. I was literally searching for something similar to i3 for windows last night and today I got this in my feed 😂
Thank you for all the interest you had on this video and apologies I can't answer every single one. Good luck and have fun figuring it out, if you are doing it 💪❤️
Thanks for making this video. This is by far the best tiling manager for windows that I have tried(Komorebic, FancyWM). I just want to know how to minimize applications when workspacer is on?
Hey just make sure you include this line in the config: context.CanMinimizeWindows = true; This will allow you to minimise your window. Let me know if you encounter any problems
@@juntekim Thanks for helping. i saw that in the config but was afraid to touch. One last question. How to make workspacer run at startup? I have tried adding the exe in shell:Startup but it's not working. I also tried GlazeWM yesterday. Workspacer is by far the best in my opinion. It's sad to see that this gem of a project is not being actively developed ☹
Does the workspacer also have like a seperate fullscreen? Some games break on alt tabing. For example the Video "Why Tilling WM is best for games" by "GOLARA C64" showcases that with games.
The games I've tried to play with are valorant and league of legends. Unfortunately it didn't work and had to 'close' workspacer for it to fully funciton
also i have the same reasoning, i only wanted to use linux for basically the tiling windows manager. linux is nice and customizable but nvidia drivers suck and wayland isnt good with nvidia yet. didnt want to really dualboot either. i appreciate
No worries man, I have tested this on my laptop for windows 11 and works with no problem except for the same bugs in windows 10. I am looking into alternatives that are more 'stable' from the youtube comments. Will look into making a video once investigate. Thank you for watching :)
i would recommend komorebi but i haven't used a tiling wm in both linux and windows since forever so i don't know which is the better one. but komorebi is more up to date
WOW this is exactly what I've been looking for after getting used to working with i3wm on my work laptop. How does it respond to playing games with fullscreen/ windowed borderless?
Hey I haven't tested with windowed borderless as I just 'close the program' when I go 'game mode'. It'll be an easy thing to test once I'm back home. I'll let you know if I end up trying it.
does the workspace feature use the Windows's workspace? if not, does screen-independent workspace switching work? I really miss this feature both on Microsoft Windows Desktop and on KDE Plasma.
yeah. I remember me installing windowgrid(to get windowsnapping), rocketdock(to get a bottom icon panel) and special fonts antialiasing method(i dont remember the name), because I loved how linux did those things. now I completely switched to Linux and I never looked back. I think you are a Linux user just you don't know it yet. :)
@@AlmostBrokeLbs thank you for coming back to say this. If you have any requests for content. Please do let me know. Remmeber if something doesn't work. To just quit the program.
If you have any more feedback, content ideas/equipment improvement. Feel feel to let me know here or by email junte.kim@mealcraft.com. Love to hear from anyone to improve my channel
Thank you. Just stumbled upon your video. Gave it try. Its very responsive but found some issues - it wasn't launching Microsoft Teams on a different windows. Yoututbe App on WIN 10 was time and again freezing. Also time and again while using outlook noticed that the window tiling option stopped working -especially if the windows app was made full screen using the F11.Not sure if its something to do with my operation. Also how do I completely quit and stop workspacer. I noticed even after quiting the workspacer the tile numbers 1-5 still remain and work. Have copied your config. I simply liked the program and would love to use it. Not sure if its under development anymore as the last update was somewhere in June 2022
Have you tried the task manager and or killing it from your task bar? If you watch my 'basic workspacer configuration example' you see me 'quitting' and 'restarting' workspacer to try different configs. Hope this helps
Hey, I currently use Davincii Resolve to edit and Stream Deck support for my hotkeys. The integration as a business owner is far better and compatiable than some of the linux stuff. For example it is very common for industry to use microsoft words instead of google docs. Which causes formatting issues. I'm trying to balance the need of a 'business' with what everyone uses, with the love and comfort I have on linux. Hope this answers your question
I understand that balancing: there are probably workarounds for most things (I know of League working) but it's not worth the time and inconveinience for many
@@aimpizza6823 Exactly. As a learning thing I would encourage anyone to look into linux but at the end of the day. We sometimes have to use what other people find convience to use when working with others. Can't always be a solo dev forever. Thank you for the comments and insights :)
Probably a noob question, but this works for me but while in a terminal, I'm not able to switch to another workspace. I can only switch if I click outside of the terminal
@@juntekim hi! So I'm using wsl with ubuntu. If i'm in the terminal, then I try to press the shortcut to switch to a different workspace, nothing happens. It seems like the terminal maybe is blocking the command? So I have to click outside of the terminal like the desktop for example then I can switch. like these or customized commands don't work for me: alt-{1..9} switch to workspace {1..9}.
@@littlecurrybread this makes sense. Thank you for clarification. Can I ask what your key bind for switching the workspace are? It also could depend on what 'terminal' you are using. I currently use 'windows terminal' from the store. (github.com/microsoft/terminal apps.microsoft.com/detail/9N0DX20HK701). Maybe this will also fix the issue?
@@juntekim oh! yknow what it was? I guess I opened windows terminal, the same one you linked, as Admin, and I needed to run workspacer as admin as well and now it worked! Appreciate you taking the time to reply! subbing
Yes, I'm aware. Fortunetly it does still work for windows 10 and windows 11. If you do want something that is fully supported I would recommend GlazeWM. Hope this helps
I mean, WSL was meant to be "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" for Linux, and your love of it proves that it's working. So, kudos on that I guess. But on the subject of the actual video, I'll give workspacer a try. I had to move back to Windows after I encountered a hardware issue as I don't have the money to invest in an AMD/Linux system replacement right now, and Windows is making me miss tiling something fierce. I'm currently running Komorebi but as far as I've seen tiling on Windows has been *incredibly* buggy. It randomly stops working at a moment's notice, applications decide they're going to stay on the workspace without any say-so on my part (as if pinned), sometimes they just don't move no matter what you're doing (Firefox, for instance)... it's been a mess. I miss Linux. Maybe Workspacer will be a better experience.
If you liked that I would highly recommend my 'WSL2: Pragmatic Software Development' video where I showcase the 'embrace, extend, extinguish' mentality. I hope workspacer is a better experince, I've found that most people prefer GlazeWM. Maybe this alternative is a better one for you. Good luck on your search and your use case
It does have similar but not automatically in terms of tiling. I'm also assuming you are talking about different work stations which windows do have. No such thing as a new idea. Glad you have a solution that works for you.
Thank you for bringing this one to my attention. I didn't know this one existed and I've seen from others similiar recommedations as well. Have you used komorebi personally?
@@juntekim I installed last week and it’s promising, and under active development. The dev was helpful on discord with a minor issue I was having. I’m new to tiling workflow though so don’t have much comparison.
Nice project, is it possible to hide the titlebars? Like any normal i3 config If only windows would fix their bs data collection qnd make it usable without selling your kidney...
I m just tired of windows at this point. I make changes using scripts and whatnot to fit my use case and the next feature update breaks it. Hyprland is god sent for me (almost a year without any major changes in config).
I assume you are referring to power toys and workspaces (not the one I show cased but windows offering). I do believe that solution does work for a huge amount of people but it didn't satisfy my itch for i3wm. Please use whatever makes you move and be productive. Sometimes its a 'feel' thing which are based on what we are used to as well.
I think work spaces have been a part of Windows since 10 latest, maybe earlier, it doesn't require power toys.. And you could tile windows with the Windows button + arrow keys since 7. Although I don't think rearranging windows after you close one has ever been an option. In tiling is even better, tiled windows can be tabbed to together, kind of like work spaces within work spaces. The only thing it's missing is being able to tile linux windows running in WSL. @@juntekim
@@n-ju7sv the DE is nothing fancy. Just the default windows 10 with steam live wallpaper and encorporating workspacer. I do my best to keep this vanilla. Hope this answers your question :)
@@n-ju7sv In this video, i'm showcasing how the 'workspacer' tile manager can be used to look like the Linux 'i3wm' tile manager for people who want the functionality of windows but the tile management system of windows. Glad you learnt something new :)
Hey I had a rough look but I'm in the philosophy of 'don't change what works'. One day - I will stop working and get to try out komoroebi. Today it is not a priority. Thank you for letting me know about it though, which one do you use atm?
The games I play are csgo, valorant and league of legends at the moment. I know there are work arounds but currently time pressured to do other things in my life. I do miss the days where I could go to linux deep dive.
Interesting, but it'll never compare to actual i3 or another wm. If you like WMs, why don't you switch to Linux? I mean I'm pretty sure you can run almost every program on Linux or a game rn. Fore example, you can test every program you need in Virtual Machine before switching.
Hey you are completely correct in that it doesn't compare to i3wm. It does however do everything 'i need'. Which wasn't much. 'Full screen' and 'auto sizing'. This can also be done with hacks with auto hot key etc. I didn't want to spend the time/money/energy into things that were distracting me from 'work'. This was a quick win due to the fast installation and 'abort' button incase I encounter problems. I do one day want to dive into my iw3m configuration but its a luxury I don't want/have right now compared to my other priorities.
@@juntekim IK what you mean, tbh I swapped to Linux like an year ago pretty much everything can get it working, except things like very new or bad game anticheats. And, things like HDR and stuff aren't there yet. But, the superior experience in doing many things just trades it off. Making it better. Everything will slowly come, though. I mean if you look at it 10 years ago it's totally different from now.
This tool is unmaintained since september 2023. The main maintainer steps down, because he is not using windows anymore and nobody else took over, so it is essentialy dead software. An alternative is Komorebi.
The difference is that Linux can use like 750mb running a wm and the entire OS and this "solution" would use like 4gb to run all the windows bloat + a wm in addition. I use linux as a daily driver, but on my windows machine I wouldn't want to bloat it further. I like the concept though.
windows users and not changing their computer name to fit their network scheme you can't name a more iconic duo
Gotta love “DESKTOP-YR3YCBWBURGHH3BFNTR3HHIT43HG”. Such a great PC
found another - pragmatic automator and googling for 5 years every day to find this solution. 4:55
Yes, that's my computer, "DESKTOP-GJHDHFGJG SK2948*#&♤●》□》■"
Is it? I am a windows user and I have to have all the PCs named something sane so I know which is which when sharing files across computers.
@@rich1051414 well, i was thinking about it as a joke but that you started to have "real" discussion about this, then i will comment a little more on it - you are both kinda wrong or at least it is not that important as much as you think. 1)connecting your mobile phone to WLAN shows all those computer names, to any app on your mobile phone. That can be good thing or bad thing, also to you personally - SMB is most buggy and most exploited service on internet... 2) Because
Extremely glad that your video came across my recommendations. As someone who is using nvim in Powershell, not being able to optimize my OS for productivity has been quite annoying. Cheers.
I hope the flexibility to 'close the program' for non-productivity helps you get a better work/life balance as well :)
today i understood the power of internet. u mentioned you were looking for solution i3 for windows or close to it for last 5 years and here i just google it and your youtube video shows up which was uploaded 3 weeks ago and this explains how much time internet saved for me otherwise i could've been searching for the solution for all over the web
so thanks and i mean it
Be sure to share what you spend hours looking for. You never know who'll find it useful 💪
Thank you for making this. I'll still use Linux as my daily driver, but this has got to be a god send for me as a wm enjoyer having forced to use Windows for university work.
Glad to have helped :) Have fun working
Same, I am forced to use windows (which I despise) for work, this might just make it more bearable
1:00 You can hold down the mod key (usually the OS/Super/Windows key) and drag windows in i3 on Linux as well.
Ah didn't know that. thank you for letting me know. I think when I was using linux I was in 'only keyboard mode' 😅
nice to finally have a window manager on windows
it already has dwm
Glad it helped
tiling window manager******
This is my biggest gripe for windows. Maybe I will actually have a windows installation running somewhere now.
Tell me about it - I'm glad I could show more people about this tile manager.
"Look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power"
On a serious note, this is actually really neat and I'll recommend it to a few of my friends who are forced to use Windows
Well, a lot of things linux can do under the hood is possible with windows, but people start with windows as a children just bashing keys, not having proper education on what it is capable of, so most people are doing linux because of wrong reasons... Just mere fact that most linux users are surprised that windows has command prompt/console, too is hilarious.
Love the reference. I believe people can use whatever they want, its hard enough to move. Whatever makes it easy for them to take action is a good thing :)
@@IvanNedostal Except slanted displays that one is a unix only one haha
@@TurtleKwitty Yeah, not even linux shills have that, yet !
@@IvanNedostal That's blatantly false, there's been many reporting on it the last couple weeks XD
thats really amazing congratulations on creating the perfect setup for you. personally my #1 favorite part of linux that i would never leave it for is the drivers. so its funny we are basically opposites because you have a setup that includes everything from linux but NOT any real linux hardware drivers and actually i configure my GUI to behave exactly like windows, but would never use windows because i want the linux-only drivers and apps. so we are really opposite
How interesting!
Do you have anything you can share with me so I can learn more about the 'linux hardware drivers' world.
I'll love to learn more and see what features of linux I'm missing.
@@juntekim i just wrote a 2000 word response listing actual dozens of things in detail that bare metal GNU/Linux has that WSL does not have but youtube deleted it when i posted it, thanks youtube. i guess i have to keep it brief, i'll mention some major things that are deal breakers for me personally about WSL
- cannot have amdgpu kernel module and all features it provides including amdgpu.ppfeaturemask=0xffffffff, native /usr/bin/Xorg, /dev/fb0, native DRM backend of: ffmpeg, SDL2, kmscube, glmark2, includes everything that native Xorg can do that is not present in WSL-g like working ibus-typing-booster, copy and paste PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD, drag and drop, always on top/behind, global hotkeys, global screenshot tools like flameshot and gpick, working apps without the extreme graphical artifacts most apps have in WSL-g (list of Xorg features that nothing else has goes on and on for quite some time)
- commands i explained in detail in the lost reply but hopefully you know why they dont fully work in WSL (only limited partial-to-no functionality due to VM sandbox) so ill just list some in this shorter response: chvt lspci lsusb kexec modprobe dmidecode ncdu ip openvpn parted fdisk efibootmgr iptables dd mount transset xrandr florence bluetoothctl alsamixer pactl pavucontrol helvum soundux easyeffects discord-screenaudio systemctl/rc-service/equivalents (windows services are not equivalent in features) the list goes on and on
- large amounts of kernel space drivers that are superior to any windows option like the dualshock gamepad driver
- MULTISEAT functionality, in many different modes BOTH virtualization-based AND NON-virtualization-based. Windows Server 2016's features exclusive to that windows version are a pale imitation of the power of multiseat on true UNIX-like OS.
- performance overhead of the 2 OS sandbox instead of 1 OS bare metal in pretty much everything ESPECIALLY nested virtualization with KVM or nested LXC with Docker. this is pretty self explanatory
im afraid if i make this longer that youtube won't allow it so if you have additional questions or need clarification or want examples of more things or more explanation then ask here or preferably message me on discord at account "owokitty" or matrix @owokitty:matrix org
@@juntekim i just wrote a 2000 word response listing actual dozens of things in detail that bare metal GNU/Linux has that WSL does not have but youtube deleted it when i posted it, thanks youtube. i guess i have to keep it brief, i'll mention some major things that are deal breakers for me personally about WSL - cannot have amdgpu kernel module and all features it provides including amdgpu.ppfeaturemask=0xffffffff, native /usr/bin/Xorg, /dev/fb0, native DRM backend of: ffmpeg, SDL2, kmscube, glmark2, includes everything that native Xorg can do that is not present in WSL-g like working ibus-typing-booster, copy and paste PRIMARY and CLIPBOARD, drag and drop, always on top/behind, global hotkeys, global screenshot tools like flameshot and gpick, working apps without the extreme graphical artifacts most apps have in WSL-g (list of Xorg features that nothing else has goes on and on for quite some time) - commands i explained in detail in the lost reply but hopefully you know why they dont fully work in WSL (only limited partial-to-no functionality due to VM sandbox) so ill just list some in this shorter response: chvt lspci lsusb kexec modprobe dmidecode ncdu ip openvpn parted fdisk efibootmgr iptables dd mount transset xrandr florence bluetoothctl alsamixer pactl pavucontrol helvum soundux easyeffects discord-screenaudio systemctl/rc-service/equivalents (windows services are not equivalent in features) the list goes on and on - large amounts of kernel space drivers that are superior to any windows option like the dualshock gamepad driver - MULTISEAT functionality, in many different modes BOTH virtualization-based AND NON-virtualization-based. Windows Server 2016's features exclusive to that windows version are a pale imitation of the power of multiseat on true UNIX-like OS. - performance overhead of the 2 OS sandbox instead of 1 OS bare metal in pretty much everything ESPECIALLY nested virtualization with KVM or nested LXC with Docker. this is pretty self explanatory im afraid if i make this longer that youtube won't allow it so if you have additional questions or need clarification or want examples of more things or more explanation then ask here or preferably message me on discord at account "owokitty" or matrix [at symbol] owokitty [colon] matrix [dot] org
sorry for double post youtube is very bugged. the original reply i wrote is still not here, but it might be visible in your youtube studio settings
yeah youtube is deleting my responses so idk if youre going to be able to see this. ill keep trying to post it until it works
Heck yea! I've used workspacer in the past and loved it. It works pretty well. Some issues i've had was some workspacer crashes. No worries, it just crashes the workspacer program and not the screen or computer.
Once I learned that I can use the winget package manager, my immediate search was a tiling window manager lol. This was around 2020 before I switched to linux fully. So Workspacer should be pretty stable nowadays.
I need to start using winget myself. Thank you for reminding me as well. Have a beautiful day
I used i3 in the past and I loved it, but in my job I had to use windows and I missed i3 every single day for some years. I'm marrying to this program right now!
Glad I could help ❤️
I wish the Windows team would put out an official api to do alternate window desktop managers. Oh well. Good video! 👍👍
We can dream. Or we can produce. Do or do not. That is the question.
microsoft powertoys fancy zones
wow, this is awesome, i still prefer Arch Linux with I3WM, but this is great for when i have to use Windows.
Great to hear!
Man, this is awesome! I've always been looking for something like this since I discovered i3wm. Very good video.
Glad I could help!
That background is superb
Thank you. It's a background from a program called "live wallpaper". Would you like a tutorial?
lol bro i havent seen u around since root and twitter @with I think it was
Keep up the good work brother full support to see your channel growing asap! 1M someday for sure
Appreciate the thought, thank you ❤️💪
thank you so much. definitely adding this to my pile of windows modifications. one step closer to compatibility linux.
Glad it helped
@Baditow write a blog on your configurations pls
i was thinking of doing this. and youtube recommended me this, (algorithm is getting better)
Smart thing the algorithm. Glad I could help :)
This is absolutely amazing! Some time ago, I was completely done with Windows, but lately, especially with Windows 11, they're not doing too bad. I decided to start using it again. Like you, I'm accustomed to using a lot of virtual machines, VLANs, connected to other PCs, Linux, and IoT. One of the things I missed the most was definitely a tiling window manager. Personally, I used Qtile and Xmonad, but pretty much tried most of them. I wasn't doing too bad since, with Tmux, I get somewhat the same functionality, as I use the terminal a lot. However, having this now is absolutely amazing!
Glad i could help with your productivity
I am in dual boot, switching constantly between Linux and Windows, this will help me stay in Windows trought the day, unless I reeally need a Linux tool, thanks for sharing (for anyone asking, I prefer Linux overall, but my computer is shared so I must leave it booted in Windows when i´m not using it so it gets really anoying)
Glad I could help.
i used komorebi for window management before switching entirely to Linux, but this looks cool too
if this is easy for non-tech ppl to use i might even recommend this
Please feel free to use my config to get going. Good luck and have fun
I won't switch from linux but this is pretty cool, nice video bro
Appreciate it!
Idk what to say but I saw this comment a week ago and thought "yeah judging by that pfp he def played fn" then I saw a random video abt me on my recommended by upshall and saw you in the comments. 1 in a million chance
@@LDFort sorry I don't understand. What's a one in million chance?
Just checked it out. Seems great. Have tried other tiling WM on Windows but they are so buggy. This one is by far the best.
Enjoy! Do let me know if you encounter any problems. I think the best feature is that you can turn it off for those edge cases
Love it, bro. Thanks so much
Glad you like it
Nice and straight forward, all working great vid! 🙏
No worries, if you have anything else you want me to make. Please let me know :)
and I thought this wouldn't be possible to have this power...
With great power. Comes greater procrastination + work 👌GL&HF
if i would have found this before i switched to linux full time i may have considered staying on windows lmao either way cool stuff that you're introducing i3 to windows users
Apologies that I didn't make the video sooner! I'm sure if you go to windows again in the future it can be useful. Did you have to 'sacrfice' anything by switching to linux?
I personally did not, back when I switched I was using firefox, atom and blender - all three of which are extremely well-supported on linux
Glad you found a solution that works for you and your workflow
Great vid Junte 👍🏼
No worries, do let me know if you have any recommedation or questions on set up. Happy to make with another video to help :)
Surprisingly responsive considering it's a third-party tool on top of the Windows window manager, which is closed source. Only Microsoft is capable of making a true tiling window manager as only they have the source code. So there will always be limitations.
True enough, but if you're a Windows user of any stripe, you're always finding programs to improve your experience on Windows.
its interacting with the native window manager through win32 api . its similar concepts to xorg and Wayland
Yh if it slows me down, I would hate it. The fact that you can turn it off and go to native windows is also a feature imo
GlazeWM 💪
Does look like a contender.
There's no need to be afraid, not only harck would never attack your establishment and I don't even want money, I just want people to see me💓
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I have finally found the solution to one of the reasons I installed linux.
What are the others reasons? 👀
For MacOS theres yabai for i3/BSPWM like tiling and amethyst for DWM like tiling. Both are the same kinda jank like the windows one he mentioned. You'll have to use Linux if you want proper Tiling WMs, but for people who cant, these are the only options
I heard from a friend that an app called 'rectangle' does similiar things too. Hope this helps anyone using Mac
@@juntekim rectangle only gives you snap to edges feature like on windows 10 and 11, not automatic tiling. I have that on my Mac as well. Yabai and amethyst are automatic tilers
@@monochrome_linux Ah, didn't know that - thank you for letting me know
Oo this is amazing. In my windows, I'm using the dwm-32 (a windows port of suckless dwm) and it is kinda buggy and a bit unresponsive. For my arch, i use i3 and it's so amazing. I was literally searching for something similar to i3 for windows last night and today I got this in my feed 😂
Glad I helped you find a solution to make both systems useful. I do miss i3wm but this is the functionality I wanted.
workspacer has come a long way
It truly has. What do you use day to day?
Is there any way to hide the window top bars?
Thank you for all the interest you had on this video and apologies I can't answer every single one. Good luck and have fun figuring it out, if you are doing it 💪❤️
i3WM on windows before Wayland, what a world.
what does Wayland have to do with anything here
I've seen a few comments about waylander. Thank you for sharing something I didn't know
What exactly do you do when gaming? Exit workspacer or it's like a fullscreen mode for workspace?
I quit workspacer. Then game. The different feel of the computer helps go to game mode compared to work mode.
GlazeWM is better and actually maintained
I do love their yaml config. Thank you for sharing.
any way you could add a spotify widget to the bar?
Something that needs further investigation. Great feature idea though
Thanks for making this video. This is by far the best tiling manager for windows that I have tried(Komorebic, FancyWM).
I just want to know how to minimize applications when workspacer is on?
Hey just make sure you include this line in the config: context.CanMinimizeWindows = true;
This will allow you to minimise your window. Let me know if you encounter any problems
@@juntekim Thanks for helping. i saw that in the config but was afraid to touch.
One last question. How to make workspacer run at startup? I have tried adding the exe in shell:Startup but it's not working.
I also tried GlazeWM yesterday. Workspacer is by far the best in my opinion. It's sad to see that this gem of a project is not being actively developed ☹
@@prakhargupta4347 shell:startup is how I get it working. Can I ask your using windows 11/10 and send me a video of it not working?
Komorebi is pretty good as well.
Thank you for the recommendation, I'll give it a go once Workspace dies on me :)
Does the workspacer also have like a seperate fullscreen? Some games break on alt tabing. For example the Video "Why Tilling WM is best for games" by "GOLARA C64" showcases that with games.
The games I've tried to play with are valorant and league of legends. Unfortunately it didn't work and had to 'close' workspacer for it to fully funciton
Windows had a few desktop replacement for explorer and one of them was litestep , i used a lot nearly in the 2000 , and before that.
Was great.
I had no idea "litestep" existed. Thank you for sharing5
thanks for showcasing this, i didnt know this existed on windows. does this work on windows 11?
also i have the same reasoning, i only wanted to use linux for basically the tiling windows manager. linux is nice and customizable but nvidia drivers suck and wayland isnt good with nvidia yet. didnt want to really dualboot either. i appreciate
No worries man, I have tested this on my laptop for windows 11 and works with no problem except for the same bugs in windows 10.
I am looking into alternatives that are more 'stable' from the youtube comments. Will look into making a video once investigate.
Thank you for watching :)
Looks interesting.
Let me know if it did or didn't work for you :)
i would recommend komorebi but i haven't used a tiling wm in both linux and windows since forever so i don't know which is the better one. but komorebi is more up to date
Yh your right. Workspacer is no longer being developed. Thank you for the recommendation
powertoy >> fancy zone same thing if you seek alternative
glazewm and komorebi are other alternatives too
It's not i3, it's just a generic window manager which has nothing to do with the i3 project
This is correct.
WOW this is exactly what I've been looking for after getting used to working with i3wm on my work laptop. How does it respond to playing games with fullscreen/ windowed borderless?
Hey I haven't tested with windowed borderless as I just 'close the program' when I go 'game mode'. It'll be an easy thing to test once I'm back home. I'll let you know if I end up trying it.
Alright, I will test the program tomorrow. Looks promising! @@juntekim
Hey how did it go? Just wanted to let you know windowed didn't play nicely with league and valorant. All the best.
does the workspace feature use the Windows's workspace? if not, does screen-independent workspace switching work?
I really miss this feature both on Microsoft Windows Desktop and on KDE Plasma.
Hey @TheDuckPox, It works on multiple screen and I imagine it will work on multiple desktops too. Please report back if it doesn't
This is like putting a saddle on a pig.
A pig that lets you move and go in the direction you want is a good pig
works better than komorebi, always wanted something like this thanks
Glad it helped
I wonder how this looks for ultra-wide setup, as i sometimes use ultra widescreens
Please make a video to see how this looks, I'll love to know
yeah. I remember me installing windowgrid(to get windowsnapping), rocketdock(to get a bottom icon panel) and special fonts antialiasing method(i dont remember the name), because I loved how linux did those things. now I completely switched to Linux and I never looked back.
I think you are a Linux user just you don't know it yet. :)
I am a Linux user... But the battle for "ease of use" from what everyone knows is too great... 😂😭
I have been looking for something like this since windows 10 days
I was in the search for soemthing like this for 5 years. I'm glad this does everything "I want". I hope it gives you everything "you want" too.
@@juntekim It truly does, I have used it yesterday day and I LOVE IT.
Thanks man, you got new subscriber
@@AlmostBrokeLbs thank you for coming back to say this. If you have any requests for content. Please do let me know.
Remmeber if something doesn't work. To just quit the program.
link to the wallpaper? setup looks really nice!
Hey its from 'wallpaper enginer' avaliable from steam: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2370927443
Was looking forward to this, Fancy WM lacks config, komorebi was too wanky to set up...
hoping this works for me :)
I hope my config works for you too. Hope it went well.
yo if you invest in a solid mic your channel could def blow up
Will do, trying to slowly improve my audio quality. Appreciate the feedback
If you have any more feedback, content ideas/equipment improvement. Feel feel to let me know here or by email junte.kim@mealcraft.com. Love to hear from anyone to improve my channel
Thank you. Just stumbled upon your video. Gave it try. Its very responsive but found some issues - it wasn't launching Microsoft Teams on a different windows. Yoututbe App on WIN 10 was time and again freezing. Also time and again while using outlook noticed that the window tiling option stopped working -especially if the windows app was made full screen using the F11.Not sure if its something to do with my operation. Also how do I completely quit and stop workspacer. I noticed even after quiting the workspacer the tile numbers 1-5 still remain and work. Have copied your config. I simply liked the program and would love to use it. Not sure if its under development anymore as the last update was somewhere in June 2022
Have you tried the task manager and or killing it from your task bar? If you watch my 'basic workspacer configuration example' you see me 'quitting' and 'restarting' workspacer to try different configs. Hope this helps
can you switch to N workspace with a shortcut like in i3wm or is it only next/previous workspace?
Yes you can. I'll be making a video on how to do this next.
why use windows though? I know of some games that only work on Windows but besides that?
Hey, I currently use Davincii Resolve to edit and Stream Deck support for my hotkeys. The integration as a business owner is far better and compatiable than some of the linux stuff. For example it is very common for industry to use microsoft words instead of google docs. Which causes formatting issues.
I'm trying to balance the need of a 'business' with what everyone uses, with the love and comfort I have on linux. Hope this answers your question
Also Riot games ( Valorant + League ) only works on windows as far as I know
I understand that balancing: there are probably workarounds for most things (I know of League working) but it's not worth the time and inconveinience for many
@@aimpizza6823 Exactly. As a learning thing I would encourage anyone to look into linux but at the end of the day. We sometimes have to use what other people find convience to use when working with others. Can't always be a solo dev forever. Thank you for the comments and insights :)
linux desktop is generally shit
Probably a noob question, but this works for me but while in a terminal, I'm not able to switch to another workspace. I can only switch if I click outside of the terminal
Hey sorry for the late reply but what do you mean by switch here?
@@juntekim hi! So I'm using wsl with ubuntu. If i'm in the terminal, then I try to press the shortcut to switch to a different workspace, nothing happens. It seems like the terminal maybe is blocking the command? So I have to click outside of the terminal like the desktop for example then I can switch. like these or customized commands don't work for me: alt-{1..9} switch to workspace {1..9}.
@@littlecurrybread this makes sense. Thank you for clarification. Can I ask what your key bind for switching the workspace are?
It also could depend on what 'terminal' you are using. I currently use 'windows terminal' from the store. (github.com/microsoft/terminal apps.microsoft.com/detail/9N0DX20HK701). Maybe this will also fix the issue?
@@juntekim oh! yknow what it was? I guess I opened windows terminal, the same one you linked, as Admin, and I needed to run workspacer as admin as well and now it worked! Appreciate you taking the time to reply! subbing
@@littlecurrybread I'm glad you managed to make it work and thank you for coming back to tell us the solution. 💪 No worries man, my pleasure
What about komorebi?
It’s still maintained
Yh defo. Its been recommended a lot but not something i've used. I think I would try glazeWM just because of the yaml good-ness
how do you make your program borders transparent?
does this answer your question?: ruclips.net/video/uUVs9xT7lPo/видео.html
you know this hasn't been updated in ~2 yr?
Yes, I'm aware. Fortunetly it does still work for windows 10 and windows 11. If you do want something that is fully supported I would recommend GlazeWM. Hope this helps
For some of this features we can use power tools software…
Yh I played with power tools and there are always alternatives. I couldn't quite get what I wanted with power tools, but glad it works for you :)
1:02 wrong i3 has full mouse support
Thanks for letting me know of my mistake
is it possible to put bar on the bottom?
Hey, I believe it is possible but not soemthing I've looked into. Good luck with your journey to customisation
I mean, WSL was meant to be "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" for Linux, and your love of it proves that it's working. So, kudos on that I guess.
But on the subject of the actual video, I'll give workspacer a try. I had to move back to Windows after I encountered a hardware issue as I don't have the money to invest in an AMD/Linux system replacement right now, and Windows is making me miss tiling something fierce. I'm currently running Komorebi but as far as I've seen tiling on Windows has been *incredibly* buggy. It randomly stops working at a moment's notice, applications decide they're going to stay on the workspace without any say-so on my part (as if pinned), sometimes they just don't move no matter what you're doing (Firefox, for instance)... it's been a mess. I miss Linux. Maybe Workspacer will be a better experience.
If you liked that I would highly recommend my 'WSL2: Pragmatic Software Development' video where I showcase the 'embrace, extend, extinguish' mentality. I hope workspacer is a better experince, I've found that most people prefer GlazeWM. Maybe this alternative is a better one for you. Good luck on your search and your use case
PowerToys Fancy Zones
Fancy zones biggest disadvantage to me was that it couldn't 'automatically' choose a zone. I'm happy to be proven wrong :)
But windows already has these functionalities...
It does have similar but not automatically in terms of tiling. I'm also assuming you are talking about different work stations which windows do have.
No such thing as a new idea. Glad you have a solution that works for you.
How does this compare to komorebi??
Thank you for bringing this one to my attention. I didn't know this one existed and I've seen from others similiar recommedations as well. Have you used komorebi personally?
@@juntekim I installed last week and it’s promising, and under active development. The dev was helpful on discord with a minor issue I was having. I’m new to tiling workflow though so don’t have much comparison.
@@jpmiller25 Thanks for the reply - I'll have a look at it myself as well. Thank you for the recommendation :)
@@juntekim hello, did you try komerobi? im not sure which one is better and stable and the most similar to i3. thx
how to auto startup ?
put workspacer shortcut on shell:startup via win + R
Nice project, is it possible to hide the titlebars? Like any normal i3 config
If only windows would fix their bs data collection qnd make it usable without selling your kidney...
Hey, I believe the title is customisable. I personally liked it so haven't investigated further. If you do find a solution please feel free to share.
I m just tired of windows at this point. I make changes using scripts and whatnot to fit my use case and the next feature update breaks it. Hyprland is god sent for me (almost a year without any major changes in config).
Gutted to hear that you can't get the experience you want in windows. What's causing you to not switch to Linux?
@@juntekim i already switched.
does it disable dwm from ruining windows?
I don't have personal experience of dwm, so can't answer this question. But thank you for showing me something I didn't know
Windows already supports tiling your windows in any configuration you please. Workspaces as well.
I assume you are referring to power toys and workspaces (not the one I show cased but windows offering). I do believe that solution does work for a huge amount of people but it didn't satisfy my itch for i3wm. Please use whatever makes you move and be productive. Sometimes its a 'feel' thing which are based on what we are used to as well.
I think work spaces have been a part of Windows since 10 latest, maybe earlier, it doesn't require power toys.. And you could tile windows with the Windows button + arrow keys since 7. Although I don't think rearranging windows after you close one has ever been an option.
In tiling is even better, tiled windows can be tabbed to together, kind of like work spaces within work spaces. The only thing it's missing is being able to tile linux windows running in WSL. @@juntekim
The coding benefits of Windows 💀
ngl, been enjoying a lot more with this tool
King
I work full screen 95% of the time, other apps go on monitor 2 or 3 also usually full screen.
Whatever makes an individual move is the best productivity tool
Could u make animation between workstation like hyprlandwm
I don't believe so.
@@juntekim cuz u can't, i've tried ur wm and it's like shit, i'm using glazewm right now
Gutted that my solution didn't work but glad to hear that you found a solution that works for you
I know this might sound like a stupid question, but I just want to make sure, does this work on Windows 11 too?
Hey, I tested this on my laptop which has windows 11. Seems to work but be prepared for bugs!
@@juntekim thanks! I’ll try this on my spare laptop
Let me know how it goes :)
what DE is this? I like it
DE?
@@juntekim desktop environment
@@n-ju7sv the DE is nothing fancy. Just the default windows 10 with steam live wallpaper and encorporating workspacer. I do my best to keep this vanilla. Hope this answers your question :)
@@juntekim I thought that was linux lol
@@n-ju7sv In this video, i'm showcasing how the 'workspacer' tile manager can be used to look like the Linux 'i3wm' tile manager for people who want the functionality of windows but the tile management system of windows.
Glad you learnt something new :)
Have you checked komorebi?
Hey I had a rough look but I'm in the philosophy of 'don't change what works'.
One day - I will stop working and get to try out komoroebi. Today it is not a priority.
Thank you for letting me know about it though, which one do you use atm?
You should try gaming on Linux again. It kinda just works now an days unless the game publisher disabled Linux using anticheat
The games I play are csgo, valorant and league of legends at the moment. I know there are work arounds but currently time pressured to do other things in my life. I do miss the days where I could go to linux deep dive.
Can you please make a similar video for MacOS?
Hey, I would love to but currently don't own a macos. Good luck in your search
Interesting, but it'll never compare to actual i3 or another wm. If you like WMs, why don't you switch to Linux? I mean I'm pretty sure you can run almost every program on Linux or a game rn. Fore example, you can test every program you need in Virtual Machine before switching.
Hey you are completely correct in that it doesn't compare to i3wm. It does however do everything 'i need'. Which wasn't much. 'Full screen' and 'auto sizing'. This can also be done with hacks with auto hot key etc. I didn't want to spend the time/money/energy into things that were distracting me from 'work'. This was a quick win due to the fast installation and 'abort' button incase I encounter problems.
I do one day want to dive into my iw3m configuration but its a luxury I don't want/have right now compared to my other priorities.
@@juntekim Okay then, at least that's something already, I think you'd be happy to switch to WM
Man i thought this was impossible on windows, but ehh still easier on linux to customize for me.
WAAY easier on linux. That is one of linux super powers. I hope it helps people stuck in the windows eco system like myself 😅
@@juntekim IK what you mean, tbh I swapped to Linux like an year ago pretty much everything can get it working, except things like very new or bad game anticheats. And, things like HDR and stuff aren't there yet. But, the superior experience in doing many things just trades it off. Making it better. Everything will slowly come, though. I mean if you look at it 10 years ago it's totally different from now.
This tool is unmaintained since september 2023. The main maintainer steps down, because he is not using windows anymore and nobody else took over, so it is essentialy dead software.
An alternative is Komorebi.
This is true. Thank you for telling other alternatives
hey, an asian soyjak just dropped
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Not a big fan?
@@juntekim Thats very insulting of you to call me a fan
"Not a fan": A person or individual who isn't interested in the solution of window tile system on windows.
@@juntekim I am not talking about the window manager here
The difference is that Linux can use like 750mb running a wm and the entire OS and this "solution" would use like 4gb to run all the windows bloat + a wm in addition.
I use linux as a daily driver, but on my windows machine I wouldn't want to bloat it further. I like the concept though.
i doubt a wm would use very much memory, especially that it's not doing any compositing anyway, it'd just be getting and setting window positions
According to my task manager it is using about 68.3MB of ram. Hope this information helps.
Very cool, but you know, there is linux...
Lol thank you for letting me know
Its unusable with all the titlebars.
Hey you should be able to get rid of it in the config. Did you use my configuration file?
windows users are going to do everything except use linux
It's a tradeoff unfortunately. Balance between "it just works" vs "time to get it working"
buggy af
Sorry to hear that
windows if it wasnt a mid soyware
What do you use daily?
dwm and freebsd, no hate towards the vid I think it's great@@juntekim
Just curious to expand my horizon too. Thank you for letting me know
This is so cursed
right
Gutted it didn't help your solution
yuck
Gutted its not what you were looking for