@@soggyinmilkproductions638 thanks. I feel like a lot of acc fans are hostile towards the additions when we didn’t want this either. I hope it’s an amicable 5 years and then we go back to regional conferences
As a Washington fan it destroys my heart to know that we’re leaving Washington state behind, sure they are our rival school but we we’re both Washington at heart and it’s sad to see them left in the dark
UW and WSU recently announced that they've signed a contract to continue the Apple Cup for several more years. I expect that as long as WSU manages to keep it competitive that this annual game can be held. It won't have the same cachet behind it due to the fact that it will no longer have any chance of being for placement within a conference, but they should continue to play against each other regularly.
As a WSU fan I'm with you, even though you beat us nearly all the time. The right move would be to let USC and UCLA go and merge with the Mountain West, but too late. I can't keep up with all this constant re-alignment and teams joining all the time. NEW PAC-14 / Pac-West NORTH Washington State Oregon State Boise State Wyoming Utah State Colorado State Air Force SOUTH Nevada UNLV New Mexico Hawai'i San Jose State Fresno State San Diego State
It wasn't just that UW left. They stuck the knife in the back of WSU on their way out the door. The legal battle over control of PAC-12 assets is completely ridiculous. Tying that up in court just so that WSU/OSU cannot move on in the hopes of bankrupting their athletic programs (and therefore the conference) so they don't have to pay the exit fees. Cougs have a legitimate beef here. Yet we never see it seriously talked about in the sports media... I wonder why.
Sadly, its about the money. The way FOX and ESPN treated the Pac-12 meant that the conference had too many late night games which no only didn't pay as well as they wanted for the TV contract, but were also a major drag against the attendance at games as not many people wanted to stay at the stadium until 10pm or later to watch a game. (My family is longtime Cal fans and my mother refuses to attend the games that start later than 5pm due to the fact that she does not enjoy getting back home so late after a game.) USC jumping ship is also due to the the "football cannibalism" in the conference. USC has always been a marquee game for the other teams in the conference, and since Pete Carroll has left the Trojans have struggled to finish at the top of the conference. Their athletic department hated this, and has always understood that its partly due to the way the conference viewed playing them as a major game. USC also was tired to losing LA area recruits to all the other teams in the conference. To them moving to the Big10 is a double advantage of both playing fewer games against teams that will be "up" for trying to beat them, and being able to say to recruits "You'll get on national TV, and be seen across the nation" when the Pac-12 was clearly struggling to get a good TV deal, so to USC it was seen as a way to improve their recruiting at a time where the rest of the conference was getting much closer to recruiting parity with them. I expect that in the long run USC and UCLA will regret making the change, but it was inevitable due to the way TV deals were being handled.
I don't know that it's really ironic. It would not surprise me in the least if someone was not happy that these fools on the West Coast were so audacious as to challenge the SEC and Big Ten and so... this is where we are. And I'm not even a conspiratorial person - just one who has seen a pattern or two.
I remember hearing about the Texas & Oklahoma to the PAC-12 that would have been a crazy good conference. It also makes the most sense as the PAC-12 & BIG-12 has similar playing styles. I had no idea it was 30 minutes away from being a reality.
Texas destroys everything they touch. Ask the SWC and the Big 12 (twice). Passing on texass was actually smart; the pac needed to make arrangements with Ok, OkSt and the other texas schools. Stupidly, they passed.
Texas was going to the PAC when the SWC died, but Bob Bullock threatened to bankrupt them and A&M (who was going to the SEC) if they went to a conference without Baylor and Texas Tech.
Maybe thats why it didnt go down. Keep in mind that San Diego St and BYU could've been added in from the MWC also. UCLA lost to San Diego St in both FB and BB over the past few yrs and they like to look down on them as ugly step children
As a Duck fan, we all knew USC and UCLA screwed the conference, but knowing apparently that the USC president halted the initial addition of BIG12 schools says it all. #RIP-PAC12
not really fair to put it all on us.. if the b1g had come to anyone else first yall would have done the same lol.. dont be mad bc the markets bigger in LA
If the remaining pac 12 schools weren’t greedy as balls in demanding $50 million for media rights, it would still be around. ESPN offered $30 million, which is what the P12 media rights are in the current deal, what the B12 is getting in their new one, and what the B1G half share will be for the Oregon and Washington until the 2030s. P12, at the demand of member universities, requested $50 mil and ESPN didn’t even counter.
The L A. schools leaving was the real death blow.l it took the largest T.V. market out of the conference. This sadly may continue with schools like Florida State and Miami (FL) possibly jumping to the SEC.
Crazy how a leak from an A&M newspaper about OU and UT ready to leave the Big XII lit the spark into the Conference of Champions collapsing like Yugoslavia in the 90s
Larry Scott started the end of the PAC 12 and as you said the university presidents. The sad part is Larry Scott walked away with millions for destroying the Pac 12 arrogant bastard.
The SEC needs to kick out both tamu and mizzou and then SEC looks a lot better. Georgia Tech, Tulane, and some D2 or D3 team that used to be in the SEC are moving back to the SEC soon.
@@MissLippy-fy6bj Yeah, they might get kicked out but then you're going to have a good majority of other SEC fans who wants vandy to stay because their stadium can fill up some other opponent's fan base while vandy is an easy "bye week" win for a lot of SEC teams traveling to nashville.
I would love to bump in to Larry Scott some time. The man is a fraud and should be in jail. It makes me sick that Oregon State and Oregon will not be playing at the end of the season anymore. Just disgusting! Especially sickening is that all the other sports are being dragged into this mess.
I agree with everything you said, but I believe there’s still a chance oregon and Oregon state play each other every year, just as non conference opponents. Like Georgia Tech and Georgia
@caseyhorn5170 Yeah the only difference is that it will have to be earlier in the season before conference play begins. That's what Iowa and Iowa State do.
2014 buckeyes were something else... basically, it's like being against freight train those last three games... Even with a 3rd string qb... urban Myer while controversial new how to motivate college kids.
Good summary but I would push the beginning of the end of CFB back around the 1990’s when ESPN decided to blatantly favor the SEC in coverage which affected perception of poll voters and eventually recruits. Prior to that the SEC was just a run of the mill conference with a couple national brands. This started the financial disparity and eventually killed the best sport in existence
Idk. Because, Florida, Florida State, and Georgia all had decent teams for a while before the sudden rise of Alabama. I think once ESPN started glazing Alabama, that’s when things started becoming real condensed.
It wasn't ESPN that started that run. It was the advent of the BCS. Prior to 1994, the SEC participated in 11% of NCGs. A respectable clip over 70 years. During the BCS era, the SEC participated in 67% of NCGs. The guy who ran the BCS and pushed for its implementation was the former commissioner of the SEC.
The 1990s? ESPN didn’t even carry SEC games at the time… It wasn’t until at least the late 2000s if not later, when the SEC won the title every year from 2007 to 2013 and ESPN picked up their broadcast rights, also helping to start the SEC Network.
As a proud, unapologetic Northerner and a fan of the Big Ten (Michigan in particular), I'm so doggone sick of the SEC having all the good teams and all the attention. While I hope the new entries into the Big Ten will help it be a viable competitor (both on the field and for publicity/media rights) in the future, I hate to see traditions and rivalries potentially be destroyed in the process. Screw the SEC, screw ESPN, and screw all the other people involved who care more about money that what's good for college football.
Great breakdown, really explained everything nicely. As someone who started watching CFB in the late 2000s, this is whole conference re-alignment thing is just depressing. I loved watching the regional rivalries and the old system that had bowl games for specific conferences. To me, the Rose Bowl will always be Pac10 vs B1G. Farewell to tradition, I guess.
Rose Bowl stimulates old, old memories and magic. These are things which have no price tag, so the FBS and ESPN don't care about them. The dude in the video mentioned fan revolt for the Super Liga. B10 and P12 fans should have stood up a long time ago. They let the accountants take away golden memory machine which pumped out joy and fun. Tradition has turned into brand management.
As a Mizzou fan I have always rooted for the PAC-12, getting to stay up late when I was little to watch big games. PAC-12 is the best conference in my opinion, but that Will unfortunately go away soon.
Same, what a shame. I think Utah’s in good position to be a perennial powerhouse in football, though. I really hope basketball gets back to its glory days again, it’s gonna be a killer basketball conference.
Great video. I am a Kansas Jayhawk born and bred. I have watched schools leave and new schools come. I was a kid in the Big 8 days. The conference was truly regional. KU/KSU/Colorado/MIzzou/Nebraska/OU/OSU/Iowa State. I thought the addition of UT/Baylor/Texas A&M & Texas Tech made sense as I-35 ran through the heart of the conference. I went to every campus for a game (Football and Basketball) of the original Big 8. And I went to some football games during the short lifespan of the "Original Big 12." I remember when Mizzou (a rival we had played since 1891 in football), Nebraska, and Colorado left. I was very nervous and thought it was a no-brainer when UT/Tech/OU/OSU was approached by the Pac 12. We were all relieved when that deal fell through. Most of us original Big 8 members knew as long as Texas and OU stayed in the Big 12, we would "remain a Power 5 conference." Now we have a lot of new members...the games don't really feel like "conference games." I'd be lying if I said I wasn't glad to get Colorado back. Then Utah, Arizona, and Arizona state. Out of ANY power 5 conference, I was sure the Big 12 would have been cannibalized. The Pac-12 falling apart was shocking. I knew many of the factors, but this video is a perfect reference point to learn exactly how it happened. I am excited for the new Big 12. But really, it is an odd collection. The SEC and the B1G are now truly super conferences. I think Stanford and Cal went to the ACC due to their Olympic-esque sports. The addition of SMU to the ACC shows that they are worried as well and trying to gain numbers. It's no secret that Florida State and a few others are unhappy in the ACC. Who knows what the landscape of conference re-alignment will look like in even 5 years... I can't even imagine what it will look like in 10-20 years! It's a sad state of affairs. The Pac was ancient. RIP.
I remember the Pac-8 and Pac-10. As a former Husky cheerleader, I was shocked to learn of the Pac-12's implosion. Larry Scott and other commissioners have destroyed the magic and traditions of college football whose loyalties are based on decades of tradition and regional rivalries--NOT ESPN subscriptions. Now they are trying to gloss over this tragic and colossal set of mistakes,greed, and terrible judgement. When they made college football all about MONEY abd big salaries of CEOs-- that was the death knell for the Pac 12. A century of regional rivalries was killed by the greedy, foolish "leaders." Fans will never forgive them.
What you say is almost true...except there won't be "fans" in the school colors/autumn afternoons/tailgating/lifelong rivalries sense. Just another blow against what used to be considered "American culture". For that matter, attractive young women as cheerleaders has to go, too. **sigh**
D-1 Pac-10 football cheerleader, huh? The lurid details of your college-days 'scorecard' would prove far more captivating than the relevancy of any demise-of-loyalty takes. Just saying...tight turtleneck sweaters, pom-pom's and leg kicks...my oh my!
It will be. As colleges become more and more obsessed with TV money and abandon tradition, rivalries, and regional identity more and more conferences will die. College football is about to become just another NFL.
@@TheNightWatcher1385LMFAO! If the choice is between the NFL and NFL-lite/wannabe league, the NFL wins every day of the week and twice on Sunday, pun intended.
@@devilfrawg4953 College football teams are much older and have much more passion and tradition than nfl teams. And the reason for that is their traditionally amateur nature. Once that goes away, college football will be just as plastic and boring as the nfl.
@TheNightWatcher1385 CFB fan bases are largely restricted to alum or individuals with deeply seeded emotional ties to a university (friends or family members who attended/worked there). It also has less parity than the pros, making it more conducive for Ivory tower elitism (a.k.a. "Bluebloods"). Pro football will remain more popular than CFB as long as there are more fans with blue-collared backgrounds (non-college grads) than there are with white-collared backgrounds (college grads).
@@devilfrawg4953 College teams actually have connection to their communities while nfl teams do not (with the exception of the Packers). The moment an nfl team sees dollar signs in another city they will pack up and leave, their fans and traditions be damned.
This is kinda nostalgic to think back on. PAC-12 was legit back in the early-2000’s to early-2010’s. I remember growing up as a Michigan fan and being middle of the pack to top 5 a lot of those years because of the type of competition PAC-12 brought. Because of that, it wasn’t just the BIG-10 and SEC. But the PAC-12 and even ACC sprinkled in there too. I actually found the seasons more exciting that way especially as we got around to the tail end of it.
bro said 2000's-2010's like it wasn't called the "Conference of Champions" for a reason lol. literally the most championships, amongst ALL conferences.
My goodness! You're going all the way back to the early 2000's?? The college game was huge for 70 years before THAT! And you left out the Big 12, just as Nebraska and Oklahoma fans might have left out the entire Pac-12 except for USC/UCLA back in the day.
@@dylanramirez7274The only way to stop greed from ruining everything is regulations, but unfortunately, many politicians see such regulations as "un-American" and will do everything in their power to undermine and destroy them.
Nah, "Pac 12 killed itself by thinking they were too good to take any offers that was given to them only to keep rejecting them". Now the Pac is done even now Washington St. & Oregon St. scrambling to stay relevant in the FBS.
Those few of us who wanted to keep the old Bowl system over a playoff bracket that ignored the traditional conference matchups, we warned y'all that it would be merely the first domino to fall in a series of decisions that drove all of the fun traditions out of the game in favor of pure spectacle and revenue. You know how sports fans are, I was mocked savagely every time I defended the old system. Welp, here you go, the future ya'll wanted. At least some kids are staying in school longer because the money's good, I guess.
Agree. Nobody I know seemed to share the sentiment that a college football playoff would ultimately not solve anything. I didn’t expect it to annihilate a venerated power conference, but I thought it missed the point. The college football season didn’t always end with a conclusive champion. But it was also the only major sports organization with a regular season that mattered. I thought even if the playoff worked out perfectly, it would just rob Peter to pay Paul. At best it gives two great weeks of championship, but 12 weeks of irrelevant games.
The whole ridiculous thing is, the old bowl system COULD have been used to determine the four-team playoff. Have all the traditional bowl conference matchups play out, have a computer rank their final schedule strengths, and pick those best four teams for the separate semifinals and eventual title game. Boom, tradition AND an expanded title contention field, perfectly balanced. The Rose and Sugar Bowls especially would probably be more exciting than they had been in years. But no, that's too logical to be a solution. Just destroy the sport instead.
The Bowl system will be coming back thanks to Congress when they make everyone go back where they came from. No more championship games decided on the field anymore, either. Only by polls. No one allowed a cent of revenue either and the sport run on free labor.
Agree totally, and leads into another point: If it is alright for players to opt out of "meaningless" bowl games, why bother playing ANY games after your school has lost it's 3rd game? They're meaningless, right?
I'm am Michigan fan and to see how Pac12 is dismantled is very upsetting 😢 Larry Scott need to be in jail and every University president need to be fired!
@@mikealvord55 Texas did have their own network. That was not even remotely an issue or the cause for the failure of the pac 12. They still have their own network and the SEC didn’t have a problem with it? Use your brain lmao
@@mikealvord55 They had one, they went we will join if you let us keep it. Pac12 went no we want all the broadcasting rights and money from those rights. If it had just been Texas i agree with the letting them walk over that. But it wasn't it screwed up adding a lot to the Pac12
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The final year of the pac 12 was arguably one of its best. I hope that one day yeas down the line, conferences go back to being geographical and all the tradition and history comes back. As a west coast guy, its a hard pill to swallow to know that we won't have out own conference anymore.
Two words: Larry Scott. He made $50 million to run the Pac 12 into the ground. The schools will join other conferences, so seasons will go on. However, traditions will be lost. Games like the Apple Cup, Civil War, and The Big Game may not survive the scattering to other conferences. Larry Scott. Remember that name. He thinks he earned that $50 million and is keeping all of it, after the crater he left at the universities.
Thank you! just reading headlines for last 5 years, couldn't understand the details. Greed is a simple story, but the names and the sequence of events was very valuable to me. I'm turning 60. I've seen some changes to NCAA. Not for the better, my friend.
Aztec and Bruin fan here, and man it's been a sad sight to behold. SDSU was so close to the pac 12, and UCLA was part of such a legendary conference with so much history, rivalry, and so much winning and competition.
The Pac-12 splitting is ridiculous. Not only did 10 teams go to conferences where they'll have to travel across the country nearly every game, the now Pac-2 has two teams that are normally terrible, save last season... I am an Oregon Ducks fan.
I hate how CFP has transformed over the past 10-20 years. Remember when teams used to play teams near each other every year. As a Georgia fan we used to play Auburn, Bama, Clemson, Flordia, Tennessee, South Carolina every year 🥺
I'm pretty angry that the last battle of Bedlam was this year. Part of what makes CFB is tradition and were losing that tradition just like it was lost in the NFL a long time ago. All in favor of that dollar. This is before we consider the incredibly deteemental effect that corporatized sports betting is having on every major sport. When there's that much money on the line and seemingly incompetence / corruption in officiating you end up with a product no one has faith in anymore.
@kenosabi It is a shame. Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State is tied for the 2nd oldest continuously played series in the nation (tied with NCSU vs WFU). Only Minnesota vs Wisconsin is 1 or 2 years older.
Read a comment sometime ago that sounds like what is starting to happen. College football is going to start looking like the NFL with there being only 2 conferences, AFC and NFC. Money is going to ruin college sports just like it did the pros
Damn the conference alignment messed up a really good thing! It really goes back to about 1989 or so when Arkansas jumped from the Southwestern conference to the SEC and that helped bring the Southwestern conference down.
@@TabascoKid what do you think was the problem with the Southwestern Conference? I thought it was a pretty good conference and the college sports is poorer for the absence of it
@@conceptualclarity They had no self-governing. Name another conference that had the issues the SWC did as far as SMU and death penalty and numerous schools had NCAA violations I agree CFB is different with its absence.
What he said. The SWC was rather rampant and at times even brazen with their NCAA violations and pretty much all of them were on probation at some point in the 80s, SMU was just the school that got made an example of. Arkansas leaving was more like one of the first dominos to fall from the SMU death penalty.
The only conference to win 500 NCAA Championships, the Pac-12 won 222 NCAA team titles since 1999 and 386 since 1981, the start of women’s sports sponsorship, for an average of over nine per year. Even more impressive has been the breadth of the Pac-12’s success with championships coming in 29 different men’s and women’s sports. The Pac-12 has led or tied the nation in NCAA Championships in 56 of the last 62 years (through the 2021-22 season), with the exceptions coming no lower than third.
As a Tennessee fan here. Yall always produce some of the best coach’s in college football period! Always loved seeing the California people visiting Tennessee. They always paid their respects to the beautiful country we have. Saying how beautiful Tennessee is. As is the Great west
Every time I start hearing about what a douche Scott was, and he definitely was, I'm even more disgusted by the university presidents. They're the ones that enabled him, they're the ones that paid him, they're the ones that continued to double-down and triple-down on him, and they're the ones that kept acting like the PAC-12 was too big to fail and too good for any other school. It was an amazing amount of pride, arrogance, and ignorance among a group of individuals who are otherwise brilliant.
As a Longhorn fan, the thought of UT, OU, TT, and OSU going to the Pac-12 was quite exciting...at the time. No one realized that the Conference Commissioners, both Scott and Kliavkoff, with the help of the university presidents, were destroying the conference.
Well, UT tried to destroy the Big12 with that Longhorn network, which sent TXAM to SEC. That didn’t work out so well with no big in-state rivalry. Now TX is going to the SEC. This is just too funny, but that’s Capitalism in America for you. As a native Houstonian and Baylor alum, I say go riddance and best wishes in the SEC. A&M ain’t fairing so well. Grass may be financially greener but brown on the gridiron
As an Oklahoma State, and therefore Big 12 fan, I at least appreciate how they tried to keep regional rivalry intact. Of course OU screwed up Bedlam, but Colorado can reignite old Big 12 rivalries, Arizona State and Arizona can face off, and we have BYU and Utah. It's a shame that this had to happen, but at least our conference still feels relatively close.
As someone from SoCal a lot of my friends are getting screwed hard. But then there are those who think we’re gonna improve and get more players drafted with the moves.
I think that was a huge reason for USC to make the move. The athletic department there has never hidden its disdain for the rest of the teams in the conference and the fact that they kept getting beat by teams they considered "inferior" was ruining their brand. Let's see how well they perform over time in the Big10, especially now that UW and Oregon have come along for the ride. (and those 2 schools HATE the Trojans.)
@@markvargus6519 Looks like they are doing just fine. USC was the perennial target of crooked officiating in the PAC-12. The conference was a petty cabal of weirdos that were more concerned with shoving as many phallic objects up their posteriors than sports.
As the view of the sport has changed even since this video was released... It rings so true that much more. First time seeing this - deserves much more love than the view count indicates. Incredible passion and work put into this!
Arizona grad, I hate seeing the PAC dismantled. This was an obvious outcome over the last several years. We waited too long and were too snobby with letting new schools in.
You briefly mentioned it, but all other sports besides football and basketball are gonna be screwed. I'm sure some teams will have to cut sports life golf, tennis, soccer, etc. because traveling cross-country for a game makes absolutely no sense and is a financial liability. If only some sports were able to stay. Some schools have teams in multiple conferences (i.e. Notre Dame CFB Indy but Big East in mostly everything else) and, to my knowledge, it works fine. It's a shame major companies don't look out for the fans that got them there.
As a Beaver to the core, and a fellow Chase here, loved your video talking about the corruption inside the Pac-12 that has ultimately screwed OSU over. Wish this was something to get the federal government involved in to help us (and WSU) recoup losses to keep our school programs going. Only time will tell. #BuiltNotBought But for now, count me a subscriber! :)
@@laptinek5753 That’s my hope is that both schools do so, which means suing all the schools leaving to millions of dollars for breach of contract. But because the other schools have more funds and often generate more than both schools, they’re likely to get off scot-free, which is why having a federal body like the FTC or someone in the justice dept need to get involved to order a formal investigation.
The problem is Pac12 was also about academics. Most of them are great research universities. This led them to be blind to the changing media landscape and money needed for athletics department. UCLA athletics had a huge hole after the pandemic and had to do something. So many missteps, They should have made a deal with AT&T/Directv, but never got done. Although they were right that it is kind of extortion that they have to give part ownership to a company in order for them to show it. Should have threatened to sue or done something. P12 should also sue ESPN for this kind of destruction.
God forbid colleges care about education over money. This isn't really true, though. They all cared about the money. That was really the bigger problem. Greed from nearly all involved.
Im a VT student. The ACC was great why tf are Stanford and cal joining us? If u want more schools bring in big east schools or someone like WVU not Cali schools
Its because, fellow hokie, the acc doesnt exist. Its the espn network of schools now. Saw the signs when we lost raycom sports which was able to air your closest acc school on local tv to espn who puts most of our games on the acc network which sees fewer viewers. That shit still hurts.
Even as a UVA fan, I agree that WVU joining the ACC would be badass. Bringing back the Black Diamond Trophy game and the Backyard Brawl would be awesome
Big Ten fan here. I hate all of this conference realignment crap. It has destroyed tradition (which was one of the unique things that differentiates college football from the NFL). Unregulated NIL and the Portal have also contributed to the worsening of the sport. It’s really a huge bummer.
Extremely informational. I am a Cincinnati fan, but I didn’t know what was happening at all. The only thing I knew is that the SEC is the most popular conference.
"Archived"? "ARCHIVED???" Lol. Archived? In a society where people refer to "the 2000s" like it was the distant archeological past? Ain't nobody got time for that ish.
I know it's just a game of 18-22 year olds catching a synthetic pigskin, but in a sane world, someone would've held these conferences and TV networks in line. They've looted and destroyed our great sport. I hope the game dies now. I hope it crashes. I hope it burns. It's destruction will bring an end to mega conferences and TV conglomerates, and hopefully from the ashes, it will arise again with new vitality.
The pac 12 network was a terrible decision and the fact it never reached a deal with such a major provider as DIRECTV(which held NFL sunday ticket rights) was a killer. Fans of the NFL would get DIRECTV but then not have a way to access most of the conferences college games unless they paid out for something like the special package from a service like Sling. I was hopefully in the first year or two they would come to their senses and deal with DIRECTV but they probably just stopped trying and gave up on all that revenue and viewership and even now I dread seeing pac12 network as the tv option next to my teams game because I have no way to watch.
Adding Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC ruins the conference. A&M was alright, but this whole thing is ridiculous. Changing conferences for money is terrible. Great coverage on this though.
So funny you say Fox Conference and ESPN Conference 😆 Not sure how I overlooked who is obviously pulling the real strings with all these conference realignment’s
That’s a shame about the PAC-12. It may not have been as competitive as the SEC, but it was still fun knowing the West Coast had its own rivalry’s and conference tailored to its region. Big RIP.
ESPN executives are worse then we have been told even by Colin. SVP is a loser for staying there. Main point, I started watching in 07 and loved the old conferences, money ruins everything and so does ESPN guys.
I think college football “pageantry” has been dying ever since the BCS turned bowl games into a huge business and bowl tie ins started getting thrown out. Before then it was mostly about winning your conference.
It's been that way for a long time now, and it's been that way for as long as big broadcasters like ESPN, Fox, CBS and NBC have been broadcasting games.
I wouldn’t say the fans did nothing. I’d argue that the ESL had very different dynamics at play. The European soccer clubs are billion dollar enterprises. College athletic depts have balance sheets as murky as mudwater, esp after Covid. Fans had no power over UCLA having to choose between cutting out Olympic sports or take a $80M pay check next year and fly to Urbana on a cold Saturday.
The Pac 12 network killed itself, and took the entire conference with it. In the Bay Area, you could see Northwestern and Ole Miss all weekend long, but you couldn't get even updates or highlights from local teams. As for the NCAA, what killed it was the BCS. The BCS singlehandedly murdered over 100 years of tradition and rivalry - and without that, what is college football? I mean, if we are really going to go this route, what we should do is have divisions like pro soccer and have promotion and relegation.
Because schools in other conferences are financially tied into their other conferences. To rebuild, they would need/want some schools with big name recognition, but the majority of those are in the remaining Power 5 conferences. Which leaves schools in the MWC, MAC, AAC, C-USA, Sun Belt, and Independent to fill from. But those conferences and schools don't have the money needed to "buyout" of their current conference. San Diego State was brought up as a potential filler early on, but the school would have to pay the MWC around $25 million in exit fees to leave. Now there are possibilities of schools contracts coming to a close with their current conference. But that would leave schools with the decision to re-sign with their conference, or take a chance and leave to a conference full of uncertainty. So now you are left with schools in FCS (Division 2), and Division 3 to go after. But very few of those schools has the requirements needed to jump up into FBS (Division 1).
They technically could but not one school that would show any interest in them would bring the same viewership or money they got from schools like USC or UCLA. Maybe they can still carry on with table scraps from smaller conferences but the luster they had before will be gone.
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ESPN has truly been the worst thing to ever happen to college football
This
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they are the double edged sword.
It’ll be dead in 15 years anyways. ESPN is a dying brand and Disney is going to offload it soon enough.
ESPN wasn't alone in this?
As a cal fan, this legitimately made me want to cry. To all my fellow pac 12 fans, I’ll miss you dearly
welcome to the acc i guess
@@soggyinmilkproductions638 thanks. I feel like a lot of acc fans are hostile towards the additions when we didn’t want this either. I hope it’s an amicable 5 years and then we go back to regional conferences
Go bears
Keep ya head up bro! 1luv
@naterogers2913 it's a great conference.
You'll do very well!
Best of luck.
As a Washington fan it destroys my heart to know that we’re leaving Washington state behind, sure they are our rival school but we we’re both Washington at heart and it’s sad to see them left in the dark
UW and WSU recently announced that they've signed a contract to continue the Apple Cup for several more years. I expect that as long as WSU manages to keep it competitive that this annual game can be held. It won't have the same cachet behind it due to the fact that it will no longer have any chance of being for placement within a conference, but they should continue to play against each other regularly.
Doesn't make sense, just like Florida (SEC) and
Florida State (ACC).
As a WSU fan I'm with you, even though you beat us nearly all the time. The right move would be to let USC and UCLA go and merge with the Mountain West, but too late. I can't keep up with all this constant re-alignment and teams joining all the time.
NEW PAC-14 / Pac-West
NORTH
Washington State
Oregon State
Boise State
Wyoming
Utah State
Colorado State
Air Force
SOUTH
Nevada
UNLV
New Mexico
Hawai'i
San Jose State
Fresno State
San Diego State
It wasn't just that UW left. They stuck the knife in the back of WSU on their way out the door. The legal battle over control of PAC-12 assets is completely ridiculous. Tying that up in court just so that WSU/OSU cannot move on in the hopes of bankrupting their athletic programs (and therefore the conference) so they don't have to pay the exit fees. Cougs have a legitimate beef here. Yet we never see it seriously talked about in the sports media... I wonder why.
I could care less about wsu And the apple cup , GO HUSKIES!!!! ONWARDS TO TAKE OVER THE BIG 10 CONFERENCE
How ironic that the Pac-12 is stronger from top to bottom then it's been in decades and it's coming to a end. Something is wrong with this picture.
Sadly, its about the money. The way FOX and ESPN treated the Pac-12 meant that the conference had too many late night games which no only didn't pay as well as they wanted for the TV contract, but were also a major drag against the attendance at games as not many people wanted to stay at the stadium until 10pm or later to watch a game. (My family is longtime Cal fans and my mother refuses to attend the games that start later than 5pm due to the fact that she does not enjoy getting back home so late after a game.)
USC jumping ship is also due to the the "football cannibalism" in the conference. USC has always been a marquee game for the other teams in the conference, and since Pete Carroll has left the Trojans have struggled to finish at the top of the conference. Their athletic department hated this, and has always understood that its partly due to the way the conference viewed playing them as a major game. USC also was tired to losing LA area recruits to all the other teams in the conference. To them moving to the Big10 is a double advantage of both playing fewer games against teams that will be "up" for trying to beat them, and being able to say to recruits "You'll get on national TV, and be seen across the nation" when the Pac-12 was clearly struggling to get a good TV deal, so to USC it was seen as a way to improve their recruiting at a time where the rest of the conference was getting much closer to recruiting parity with them.
I expect that in the long run USC and UCLA will regret making the change, but it was inevitable due to the way TV deals were being handled.
It ends and stops with corporate greed in a country with no regulations to stop them.
@@LunaticTheCatstop that. The PAC 12 was a power 5 in name only they got very little respect from the committees it was time
I don't know that it's really ironic.
It would not surprise me in the least if someone was not happy that these fools on the West Coast were so audacious as to challenge the SEC and Big Ten and so... this is where we are.
And I'm not even a conspiratorial person - just one who has seen a pattern or two.
same with acc. I dunno where all these teams are gonna end up.
I remember hearing about the Texas & Oklahoma to the PAC-12 that would have been a crazy good conference. It also makes the most sense as the PAC-12 & BIG-12 has similar playing styles. I had no idea it was 30 minutes away from being a reality.
Would have made more sense than the Pac12 teams going Big-10 or ACC.
Texas destroys everything they touch. Ask the SWC and the Big 12 (twice). Passing on texass was actually smart; the pac needed to make arrangements with Ok, OkSt and the other texas schools. Stupidly, they passed.
Texas was going to the PAC when the SWC died, but Bob Bullock threatened to bankrupt them and A&M (who was going to the SEC) if they went to a conference without Baylor and Texas Tech.
Maybe thats why it didnt go down.
Keep in mind that San Diego St and BYU could've been added in from the MWC also. UCLA lost to San Diego St in both FB and BB over the past few yrs and they like to look down on them as ugly step children
As if the SEC needs more good teams😂
As a Duck fan, we all knew USC and UCLA screwed the conference, but knowing apparently that the USC president halted the initial addition of BIG12 schools says it all. #RIP-PAC12
not really fair to put it all on us.. if the b1g had come to anyone else first yall would have done the same lol.. dont be mad bc the markets bigger in LA
the decisions before they left is what killed the conference
Dude, Oregon would have done the same. USC and UCLA were simply acting in their own best interest.
If the remaining pac 12 schools weren’t greedy as balls in demanding $50 million for media rights, it would still be around. ESPN offered $30 million, which is what the P12 media rights are in the current deal, what the B12 is getting in their new one, and what the B1G half share will be for the Oregon and Washington until the 2030s. P12, at the demand of member universities, requested $50 mil and ESPN didn’t even counter.
The L A. schools leaving was the real death blow.l it took the largest T.V. market out of the conference. This sadly may continue with schools like Florida State and Miami (FL) possibly jumping to the SEC.
It stopped being about education a long time ago.
It will be again.
The Fox conference and the ESPN conference is the perfect way to explain it.
How fitting that it is Disney (via ESPN) out here destroying everything we love. God I hate that company so unbelievably much.
They've destroyed Star Wars, Marvel, American sports, and so much more.
@@rogan4338 even their own work
Spoken like a true virgin.
@@Norcat10 that's not what your mom said last night
@@troybaxter darn you got me
Crazy how a leak from an A&M newspaper about OU and UT ready to leave the Big XII lit the spark into the Conference of Champions collapsing like Yugoslavia in the 90s
Fox conference and ESPN conference, I'm gonna use that thanks.
Ego and arrogance by university presidents killed the Pac12.
Along with incompetence and borderline criminal conduct up top.
So Shang Tsung destroyed the pac-12
@@JeffBird86 Your Bowl is mine!!!
Larry Scott started the end of the PAC 12 and as you said the university presidents. The sad part is Larry Scott walked away with millions for destroying the Pac 12 arrogant bastard.
Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC at least made sense . There’s no reason Oregon should travel to New Jersey or Ohio on a weekly basis
The SEC needs to kick out both tamu and mizzou and then SEC looks a lot better. Georgia Tech, Tulane, and some D2 or D3 team that used to be in the SEC are moving back to the SEC soon.
@@RowdyJrWhy not boot Vanderbilt?
@@MissLippy-fy6bj Yeah, they might get kicked out but then you're going to have a good majority of other SEC fans who wants vandy to stay because their stadium can fill up some other opponent's fan base while vandy is an easy "bye week" win for a lot of SEC teams traveling to nashville.
I would love to bump in to Larry Scott some time. The man is a fraud and should be in jail. It makes me sick that Oregon State and Oregon will not be playing at the end of the season anymore. Just disgusting! Especially sickening is that all the other sports are being dragged into this mess.
I agree with everything you said, but I believe there’s still a chance oregon and Oregon state play each other every year, just as non conference opponents. Like Georgia Tech and Georgia
embezzlement by any other name.
Not next year :-( Maybe in the future one would hope@@chorndog11
@caseyhorn5170 Yeah the only difference is that it will have to be earlier in the season before conference play begins. That's what Iowa and Iowa State do.
Good. Regional rivalries between schools are toxic.
The 2010s era of college football is irreplaceable
WDM?
Other than Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St who else?
@@richardalvarado-ik9br that’s the point. And there were great moments
2000s era college football was even better. I mean 2007 season?
@@IB3ASTINONU786 yes imo 2000-2019 was best era
2014 buckeyes were something else... basically, it's like being against freight train those last three games... Even with a 3rd string qb... urban Myer while controversial new how to motivate college kids.
Good summary but I would push the beginning of the end of CFB back around the 1990’s when ESPN decided to blatantly favor the SEC in coverage which affected perception of poll voters and eventually recruits. Prior to that the SEC was just a run of the mill conference with a couple national brands. This started the financial disparity and eventually killed the best sport in existence
Idk. Because, Florida, Florida State, and Georgia all had decent teams for a while before the sudden rise of Alabama. I think once ESPN started glazing Alabama, that’s when things started becoming real condensed.
It wasn't ESPN that started that run. It was the advent of the BCS.
Prior to 1994, the SEC participated in 11% of NCGs. A respectable clip over 70 years. During the BCS era, the SEC participated in 67% of NCGs.
The guy who ran the BCS and pushed for its implementation was the former commissioner of the SEC.
The 1990s? ESPN didn’t even carry SEC games at the time… It wasn’t until at least the late 2000s if not later, when the SEC won the title every year from 2007 to 2013 and ESPN picked up their broadcast rights, also helping to start the SEC Network.
@@BlakeWR81national championship games didn't exist before bcs era
As a proud, unapologetic Northerner and a fan of the Big Ten (Michigan in particular), I'm so doggone sick of the SEC having all the good teams and all the attention. While I hope the new entries into the Big Ten will help it be a viable competitor (both on the field and for publicity/media rights) in the future, I hate to see traditions and rivalries potentially be destroyed in the process. Screw the SEC, screw ESPN, and screw all the other people involved who care more about money that what's good for college football.
OSU and WSU deserve better. The 10 other schools should be shamed and I hope they are doomed to failure forever.
Great breakdown, really explained everything nicely. As someone who started watching CFB in the late 2000s, this is whole conference re-alignment thing is just depressing. I loved watching the regional rivalries and the old system that had bowl games for specific conferences. To me, the Rose Bowl will always be Pac10 vs B1G. Farewell to tradition, I guess.
Nebraska Oklahoma is dead
Used to be every bit as big as Michigan Ohio St.
Rose Bowl stimulates old, old memories and magic. These are things which have no price tag, so the FBS and ESPN don't care about them. The dude in the video mentioned fan revolt for the Super Liga. B10 and P12 fans should have stood up a long time ago. They let the accountants take away golden memory machine which pumped out joy and fun.
Tradition has turned into brand management.
As a Utah fan, I’m gonna miss the pac-12
As a Mizzou fan I have always rooted for the PAC-12, getting to stay up late when I was little to watch big games. PAC-12 is the best conference in my opinion, but that Will unfortunately go away soon.
Same, what a shame. I think Utah’s in good position to be a perennial powerhouse in football, though. I really hope basketball gets back to its glory days again, it’s gonna be a killer basketball conference.
Utah’s President helped kill the PAC-12
But , glad to have you in the big 12
Welcome to the conference
And I know the games in Utah and WVU will be awesome atmosphere
Idc if we even win lol
As an Oregon fan, same here.
As a Indiana guy. Having west coast teams in my conference is dumb.
Imagine having a West Coast team in a conference named Atlantic Coast conference.
@@nowhereman4319fr
Good luck this season
Great video. I am a Kansas Jayhawk born and bred. I have watched schools leave and new schools come. I was a kid in the Big 8 days. The conference was truly regional. KU/KSU/Colorado/MIzzou/Nebraska/OU/OSU/Iowa State. I thought the addition of UT/Baylor/Texas A&M & Texas Tech made sense as I-35 ran through the heart of the conference. I went to every campus for a game (Football and Basketball) of the original Big 8. And I went to some football games during the short lifespan of the "Original Big 12." I remember when Mizzou (a rival we had played since 1891 in football), Nebraska, and Colorado left. I was very nervous and thought it was a no-brainer when UT/Tech/OU/OSU was approached by the Pac 12. We were all relieved when that deal fell through. Most of us original Big 8 members knew as long as Texas and OU stayed in the Big 12, we would "remain a Power 5 conference." Now we have a lot of new members...the games don't really feel like "conference games." I'd be lying if I said I wasn't glad to get Colorado back. Then Utah, Arizona, and Arizona state. Out of ANY power 5 conference, I was sure the Big 12 would have been cannibalized. The Pac-12 falling apart was shocking. I knew many of the factors, but this video is a perfect reference point to learn exactly how it happened. I am excited for the new Big 12. But really, it is an odd collection. The SEC and the B1G are now truly super conferences. I think Stanford and Cal went to the ACC due to their Olympic-esque sports. The addition of SMU to the ACC shows that they are worried as well and trying to gain numbers. It's no secret that Florida State and a few others are unhappy in the ACC. Who knows what the landscape of conference re-alignment will look like in even 5 years... I can't even imagine what it will look like in 10-20 years! It's a sad state of affairs. The Pac was ancient. RIP.
Nice to be a jayhawk because I am we sucked every year before the 80s
Nice to be a jayhawk because I am we sucked every year before the 80s
Nice to be a jayhawk because I am we sucked every year before the 80s
The Big 12 came out of this way better off than i thought they would
I remember the Pac-8 and Pac-10. As a former Husky cheerleader, I was shocked to learn of the Pac-12's implosion. Larry Scott and other commissioners have destroyed the magic and traditions of college football whose loyalties are based on decades of tradition and regional rivalries--NOT ESPN subscriptions.
Now they are trying to gloss over this tragic and colossal set of mistakes,greed, and terrible judgement. When they made college football all about MONEY abd big salaries of CEOs-- that was the death knell for the Pac 12. A century of regional rivalries was killed by the greedy, foolish "leaders." Fans will never forgive them.
You tell ‘em Pam!! Lock up Larry Scott!
I mean… ESPN didn’t force them to break up. That was on Larry Scott and honestly, SC and UCLA.
What you say is almost true...except there won't be "fans" in the school colors/autumn afternoons/tailgating/lifelong rivalries sense.
Just another blow against what used to be considered "American culture". For that matter, attractive young women as cheerleaders has to go, too. **sigh**
D-1 Pac-10 football cheerleader, huh? The lurid details of your college-days 'scorecard' would prove far more captivating than the relevancy of any demise-of-loyalty takes. Just saying...tight turtleneck sweaters, pom-pom's and leg kicks...my oh my!
As a College Sports Fan, it's sad to see the demise of the Pac-12, but as a Big 12 fan, I'm just thankful it wasn't us.
It will be. As colleges become more and more obsessed with TV money and abandon tradition, rivalries, and regional identity more and more conferences will die. College football is about to become just another NFL.
@@TheNightWatcher1385LMFAO! If the choice is between the NFL and NFL-lite/wannabe league, the NFL wins every day of the week and twice on Sunday, pun intended.
@@devilfrawg4953 College football teams are much older and have much more passion and tradition than nfl teams. And the reason for that is their traditionally amateur nature. Once that goes away, college football will be just as plastic and boring as the nfl.
@TheNightWatcher1385 CFB fan bases are largely restricted to alum or individuals with deeply seeded emotional ties to a university (friends or family members who attended/worked there). It also has less parity than the pros, making it more conducive for Ivory tower elitism (a.k.a. "Bluebloods").
Pro football will remain more popular than CFB as long as there are more fans with blue-collared backgrounds (non-college grads) than there are with white-collared backgrounds (college grads).
@@devilfrawg4953 College teams actually have connection to their communities while nfl teams do not (with the exception of the Packers). The moment an nfl team sees dollar signs in another city they will pack up and leave, their fans and traditions be damned.
This is kinda nostalgic to think back on. PAC-12 was legit back in the early-2000’s to early-2010’s. I remember growing up as a Michigan fan and being middle of the pack to top 5 a lot of those years because of the type of competition PAC-12 brought. Because of that, it wasn’t just the BIG-10 and SEC. But the PAC-12 and even ACC sprinkled in there too. I actually found the seasons more exciting that way especially as we got around to the tail end of it.
bro said 2000's-2010's like it wasn't called the "Conference of Champions" for a reason lol. literally the most championships, amongst ALL conferences.
My goodness! You're going all the way back to the early 2000's?? The college game was huge for 70 years before THAT! And you left out the Big 12, just as Nebraska and Oklahoma fans might have left out the entire Pac-12 except for USC/UCLA back in the day.
Unrelated, but nice profile pic!
As an Oregon fan, this makes my f**king blood boil.
Conference realignment has ruined college football
You mean money, right?
@@TheWarriorBeaver you’re right, greed ruins everything
@@dylanramirez7274The only way to stop greed from ruining everything is regulations, but unfortunately, many politicians see such regulations as "un-American" and will do everything in their power to undermine and destroy them.
Yeah, like when USC forced Idaho and Montana out of the PCC.
(My way of saying realignment has ALWAYS been a thing)
Nah, "Pac 12 killed itself by thinking they were too good to take any offers that was given to them only to keep rejecting them". Now the Pac is done even now Washington St. & Oregon St. scrambling to stay relevant in the FBS.
Those few of us who wanted to keep the old Bowl system over a playoff bracket that ignored the traditional conference matchups, we warned y'all that it would be merely the first domino to fall in a series of decisions that drove all of the fun traditions out of the game in favor of pure spectacle and revenue. You know how sports fans are, I was mocked savagely every time I defended the old system. Welp, here you go, the future ya'll wanted. At least some kids are staying in school longer because the money's good, I guess.
great YT comment
Agree. Nobody I know seemed to share the sentiment that a college football playoff would ultimately not solve anything. I didn’t expect it to annihilate a venerated power conference, but I thought it missed the point. The college football season didn’t always end with a conclusive champion. But it was also the only major sports organization with a regular season that mattered.
I thought even if the playoff worked out perfectly, it would just rob Peter to pay Paul. At best it gives two great weeks of championship, but 12 weeks of irrelevant games.
The whole ridiculous thing is, the old bowl system COULD have been used to determine the four-team playoff. Have all the traditional bowl conference matchups play out, have a computer rank their final schedule strengths, and pick those best four teams for the separate semifinals and eventual title game. Boom, tradition AND an expanded title contention field, perfectly balanced. The Rose and Sugar Bowls especially would probably be more exciting than they had been in years. But no, that's too logical to be a solution. Just destroy the sport instead.
The Bowl system will be coming back thanks to Congress when they make everyone go back where they came from. No more championship games decided on the field anymore, either. Only by polls. No one allowed a cent of revenue either and the sport run on free labor.
Agree totally, and leads into another point:
If it is alright for players to opt out of "meaningless" bowl games, why bother playing ANY games after your school has lost it's 3rd game? They're meaningless, right?
I'm am Michigan fan and to see how Pac12 is dismantled is very upsetting 😢 Larry Scott need to be in jail and every University president need to be fired!
The villains:
- Greedy ESPN execs
- Greedy FOX execs
- Lazy Pac-12 commissioners
- Greedy USC president
- Pretentious Texas
and...Nike!
How did you watch this video and manage to blame a school outside of the conference lmao.
@@Quawnn didn’t you watch the video Texas wanted to have their own network money, pay Attention, Broski
@@mikealvord55 Texas did have their own network. That was not even remotely an issue or the cause for the failure of the pac 12. They still have their own network and the SEC didn’t have a problem with it? Use your brain lmao
@@mikealvord55 They had one, they went we will join if you let us keep it. Pac12 went no we want all the broadcasting rights and money from those rights.
If it had just been Texas i agree with the letting them walk over that. But it wasn't it screwed up adding a lot to the Pac12
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@ChaseChats I could Say the same about Your video. I know us as Viewers are Quick to Dish out insults, complaints or just plain Vile for the sake of stirring the pot. But what we need to do is Give praise when it is due. I kid you not. I just got done watching this Video again for the third time. I have shared it with two friends and ended up watching it all the way through with them. The one down side to Such grate content like this is the fact that everything else Just doesnt Compete so then I find myself Disappointed.. again GREAT video.. I am now going back through your Library and discovering some of your Past Content its Great all the way around.. bravo.
@@jackdaddyslim3895 Just seeing this comment now cause my notifications have issues but wow! Thank you so much for the very kind words and for sharing the video :)
The final year of the pac 12 was arguably one of its best. I hope that one day yeas down the line, conferences go back to being geographical and all the tradition and history comes back. As a west coast guy, its a hard pill to swallow to know that we won't have out own conference anymore.
Two words: Larry Scott. He made $50 million to run the Pac 12 into the ground. The schools will join other conferences, so seasons will go on. However, traditions will be lost. Games like the Apple Cup, Civil War, and The Big Game may not survive the scattering to other conferences. Larry Scott. Remember that name. He thinks he earned that $50 million and is keeping all of it, after the crater he left at the universities.
As an Oregon State fan and alum, I think I am finally ready to watch this video....
Thank you! just reading headlines for last 5 years, couldn't understand the details. Greed is a simple story, but the names and the sequence of events was very valuable to me.
I'm turning 60. I've seen some changes to NCAA. Not for the better, my friend.
Aztec and Bruin fan here, and man it's been a sad sight to behold. SDSU was so close to the pac 12, and UCLA was part of such a legendary conference with so much history, rivalry, and so much winning and competition.
The Pac-12 splitting is ridiculous. Not only did 10 teams go to conferences where they'll have to travel across the country nearly every game, the now Pac-2 has two teams that are normally terrible, save last season... I am an Oregon Ducks fan.
I hate how CFP has transformed over the past 10-20 years. Remember when teams used to play teams near each other every year. As a Georgia fan we used to play Auburn, Bama, Clemson, Flordia, Tennessee, South Carolina every year 🥺
I'm pretty angry that the last battle of Bedlam was this year. Part of what makes CFB is tradition and were losing that tradition just like it was lost in the NFL a long time ago. All in favor of that dollar. This is before we consider the incredibly deteemental effect that corporatized sports betting is having on every major sport. When there's that much money on the line and seemingly incompetence / corruption in officiating you end up with a product no one has faith in anymore.
@kenosabi It is a shame. Oklahoma vs Oklahoma State is tied for the 2nd oldest continuously played series in the nation (tied with NCSU vs WFU). Only Minnesota vs Wisconsin is 1 or 2 years older.
Read a comment sometime ago that sounds like what is starting to happen. College football is going to start looking like the NFL with there being only 2 conferences, AFC and NFC. Money is going to ruin college sports just like it did the pros
and the NFL is not going to take kindly to someone invading their turf.
Pretty crazy how much ESPN meddled.
Damn the conference alignment messed up a really good thing! It really goes back to about 1989 or so when Arkansas jumped from the Southwestern conference to the SEC and that helped bring the Southwestern conference down.
I think the SWC brought itself down. Arkansas was looking for a way out long before ’89
@@TabascoKid what do you think was the problem with the Southwestern Conference? I thought it was a pretty good conference and the college sports is poorer for the absence of it
@@conceptualclarity They had no self-governing. Name another conference that had the issues the SWC did as far as SMU and death penalty and numerous schools had NCAA violations I agree CFB is different with its absence.
What he said. The SWC was rather rampant and at times even brazen with their NCAA violations and pretty much all of them were on probation at some point in the 80s, SMU was just the school that got made an example of. Arkansas leaving was more like one of the first dominos to fall from the SMU death penalty.
1992 was Arkansas's first year in the SEC
The only conference to win 500 NCAA Championships, the Pac-12 won 222 NCAA team titles since 1999 and 386 since 1981, the start of women’s sports sponsorship, for an average of over nine per year. Even more impressive has been the breadth of the Pac-12’s success with championships coming in 29 different men’s and women’s sports. The Pac-12 has led or tied the nation in NCAA Championships in 56 of the last 62 years (through the 2021-22 season), with the exceptions coming no lower than third.
Greed destroys every facet of life.
This is pretty much exactly how civilizations crumble.
As a Tennessee fan here. Yall always produce some of the best coach’s in college football period! Always loved seeing the California people visiting Tennessee. They always paid their respects to the beautiful country we have. Saying how beautiful Tennessee is. As is the Great west
Greed, selfishness, & ignorance is killing this country
Every time I start hearing about what a douche Scott was, and he definitely was, I'm even more disgusted by the university presidents. They're the ones that enabled him, they're the ones that paid him, they're the ones that continued to double-down and triple-down on him, and they're the ones that kept acting like the PAC-12 was too big to fail and too good for any other school. It was an amazing amount of pride, arrogance, and ignorance among a group of individuals who are otherwise brilliant.
They were more interesting in sports diversity issues.
The fact you think they're otherwise brilliant is hilarious.
How dare that Larry Scott diss my Red Raiders 😤
no loyalty to location and distance to conference games is killing the pageantry for sure. 😢
Very well done! Did an incredible job of telling a very sad story...
As a Longhorn fan, the thought of UT, OU, TT, and OSU going to the Pac-12 was quite exciting...at the time. No one realized that the Conference Commissioners, both Scott and Kliavkoff, with the help of the university presidents, were destroying the conference.
Well, UT tried to destroy the Big12 with that Longhorn network, which sent TXAM to SEC. That didn’t work out so well with no big in-state rivalry. Now TX is going to the SEC. This is just too funny, but that’s Capitalism in America for you. As a native Houstonian and Baylor alum, I say go riddance and best wishes in the SEC. A&M ain’t fairing so well. Grass may be financially greener but brown on the gridiron
As an Oklahoma State, and therefore Big 12 fan, I at least appreciate how they tried to keep regional rivalry intact. Of course OU screwed up Bedlam, but Colorado can reignite old Big 12 rivalries, Arizona State and Arizona can face off, and we have BYU and Utah. It's a shame that this had to happen, but at least our conference still feels relatively close.
As someone from SoCal a lot of my friends are getting screwed hard. But then there are those who think we’re gonna improve and get more players drafted with the moves.
I think that was a huge reason for USC to make the move. The athletic department there has never hidden its disdain for the rest of the teams in the conference and the fact that they kept getting beat by teams they considered "inferior" was ruining their brand.
Let's see how well they perform over time in the Big10, especially now that UW and Oregon have come along for the ride. (and those 2 schools HATE the Trojans.)
@@markvargus6519 Looks like they are doing just fine. USC was the perennial target of crooked officiating in the PAC-12. The conference was a petty cabal of weirdos that were more concerned with shoving as many phallic objects up their posteriors than sports.
0:28 If you take nothing away from this video, look at how gorgeous this scenery is.
Big 10, ACC, PAC 12, Big 12: grabs 3 or more schools
SEC: Meh
SEC: Grabs just 2 schools
Big 10, Big 12, ACC, PAC 12: DEF CON 1 PANIC!!!!
😂
As the view of the sport has changed even since this video was released... It rings so true that much more. First time seeing this - deserves much more love than the view count indicates. Incredible passion and work put into this!
Love to see another great video! Good job, Chase!
The fact I was never able to watch a CU game in Colorado on my TV tells you everything you need to know.
Arizona grad, I hate seeing the PAC dismantled. This was an obvious outcome over the last several years. We waited too long and were too snobby with letting new schools in.
You briefly mentioned it, but all other sports besides football and basketball are gonna be screwed. I'm sure some teams will have to cut sports life golf, tennis, soccer, etc. because traveling cross-country for a game makes absolutely no sense and is a financial liability. If only some sports were able to stay. Some schools have teams in multiple conferences (i.e. Notre Dame CFB Indy but Big East in mostly everything else) and, to my knowledge, it works fine.
It's a shame major companies don't look out for the fans that got them there.
As a Beaver to the core, and a fellow Chase here, loved your video talking about the corruption inside the Pac-12 that has ultimately screwed OSU over. Wish this was something to get the federal government involved in to help us (and WSU) recoup losses to keep our school programs going. Only time will tell. #BuiltNotBought
But for now, count me a subscriber! :)
They should sue the conference with WSU for ever cent their worth
@@laptinek5753 That’s my hope is that both schools do so, which means suing all the schools leaving to millions of dollars for breach of contract.
But because the other schools have more funds and often generate more than both schools, they’re likely to get off scot-free, which is why having a federal body like the FTC or someone in the justice dept need to get involved to order a formal investigation.
Full support from a beaver alumn! 🦫
@@marinerman plus Larry Scott should be investigated
The problem is Pac12 was also about academics. Most of them are great research universities. This led them to be blind to the changing media landscape and money needed for athletics department. UCLA athletics had a huge hole after the pandemic and had to do something. So many missteps, They should have made a deal with AT&T/Directv, but never got done. Although they were right that it is kind of extortion that they have to give part ownership to a company in order for them to show it. Should have threatened to sue or done something. P12 should also sue ESPN for this kind of destruction.
God forbid colleges care about education over money. This isn't really true, though. They all cared about the money. That was really the bigger problem. Greed from nearly all involved.
i hate how the other sports are involved in this act of greed
Im a VT student. The ACC was great why tf are Stanford and cal joining us? If u want more schools bring in big east schools or someone like WVU not Cali schools
Its because, fellow hokie, the acc doesnt exist.
Its the espn network of schools now.
Saw the signs when we lost raycom sports which was able to air your closest acc school on local tv to espn who puts most of our games on the acc network which sees fewer viewers.
That shit still hurts.
That ACC commissioner needs to be fired
Even as a UVA fan, I agree that WVU joining the ACC would be badass. Bringing back the Black Diamond Trophy game and the Backyard Brawl would be awesome
@@GINGOLOGUNGA kinda related, but i hope yall turn things around even as a hokie I been cheering for yall almost more than va tech this year.
@@GINGOLOGUNGA YALL GOT CAROLINA LETTTTTSS GOOOO
Big Ten fan here. I hate all of this conference realignment crap. It has destroyed tradition (which was one of the unique things that differentiates college football from the NFL). Unregulated NIL and the Portal have also contributed to the worsening of the sport. It’s really a huge bummer.
2000-2019 were the golden days of college football
100% agree. It's been a clown show since the coof in 2020. I don't even recognize college football anymore.
Extremely well done breakdown. Absolute miscarriage of justice that this only has 52K views.
Peak ESPN was 2000s. Since then they’ve ruined the sports shows. Too much arguing not enough discussion. Now they ruined college football
Extremely informational. I am a Cincinnati fan, but I didn’t know what was happening at all. The only thing I knew is that the SEC is the most popular conference.
I recall when the old Southwest Athletic Conferance folded back in the day. I wonder where all the Pac 12 records will be archived?
"Archived"? "ARCHIVED???" Lol. Archived? In a society where people refer to "the 2000s" like it was the distant archeological past? Ain't nobody got time for that ish.
I know it's just a game of 18-22 year olds catching a synthetic pigskin, but in a sane world, someone would've held these conferences and TV networks in line.
They've looted and destroyed our great sport. I hope the game dies now. I hope it crashes. I hope it burns. It's destruction will bring an end to mega conferences and TV conglomerates, and hopefully from the ashes, it will arise again with new vitality.
I remember being unable to watch like a quarter of Stanford games because they were on pac 12 network
The pac 12 network was a terrible decision and the fact it never reached a deal with such a major provider as DIRECTV(which held NFL sunday ticket rights) was a killer. Fans of the NFL would get DIRECTV but then not have a way to access most of the conferences college games unless they paid out for something like the special package from a service like Sling.
I was hopefully in the first year or two they would come to their senses and deal with DIRECTV but they probably just stopped trying and gave up on all that revenue and viewership and even now I dread seeing pac12 network as the tv option next to my teams game because I have no way to watch.
You should do more CFB videos! This is great
My (late) grandfather was a sports reporter back in the day and I'm so glad he didn't have to see the absolute travesty CFB has become 😓
Adding Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC ruins the conference. A&M was alright, but this whole thing is ridiculous. Changing conferences for money is terrible.
Great coverage on this though.
It IS Ironic TX almost killed the Big-12 with that network arrogance and superiority, too... and gave up a some of that for the move to the SEC...
They gave up the longhorn network this time around?!!😮
@@alexcuevas5633 The SEC told them they had to.
@@vernonsheldon-witter1225 that should have been a deal breaker for Texas but maybe those sweet $70 million a year was enough
It all started with Texas getting their own TV channel. I blame them for starting the process of realignment and media rights greediness.
Oregon is already facing Title 9 violations due to inequalities between men’s and women’s sports because of this move. It’s gonna get ugly.
So funny you say Fox Conference and ESPN Conference 😆 Not sure how I overlooked who is obviously pulling the real strings with all these conference realignment’s
That’s a shame about the PAC-12. It may not have been as competitive as the SEC, but it was still fun knowing the West Coast had its own rivalry’s and conference tailored to its region. Big RIP.
Heartbreaking to watch as an Oregon State Student
ESPN executives are worse then we have been told even by Colin. SVP is a loser for staying there. Main point, I started watching in 07 and loved the old conferences, money ruins everything and so does ESPN guys.
I’m not a fan of any of the PAC-12, but watching this video really depresses me. I blame the schools presidents and Larry Scott for all of this
Throw in the Board of Regents
I think college football “pageantry” has been dying ever since the BCS turned bowl games into a huge business and bowl tie ins started getting thrown out. Before then it was mostly about winning your conference.
Washington, USC, UCLA, Oregon owned the PAC12. They kept it alive.
Losing our conference and a century of history.. I wish it on no one
College sports has become nothing more than a multi-billion dollar industry.
It's been that way for a long time now, and it's been that way for as long as big broadcasters like ESPN, Fox, CBS and NBC have been broadcasting games.
Why don't we have a system where alumni and students have a say?
I wouldn't consider the Big 12 as "relegation".
The way I explained it to my sister who doesn’t really follow football. The PAC-12 imploded because of the PAC-12.
When colleges became more concerned with filling seats, than with loyalty, tradition, and academics.
University of Nike ruined college athletics.
Greed killed the PAC-12, go cougs 😢
I wouldn’t say the fans did nothing. I’d argue that the ESL had very different dynamics at play. The European soccer clubs are billion dollar enterprises. College athletic depts have balance sheets as murky as mudwater, esp after Covid. Fans had no power over UCLA having to choose between cutting out Olympic sports or take a $80M pay check next year and fly to Urbana on a cold Saturday.
Fans have power. They just need to flex it. Too many are docile sheep.
The Pac 12 network killed itself, and took the entire conference with it. In the Bay Area, you could see Northwestern and Ole Miss all weekend long, but you couldn't get even updates or highlights from local teams. As for the NCAA, what killed it was the BCS. The BCS singlehandedly murdered over 100 years of tradition and rivalry - and without that, what is college football? I mean, if we are really going to go this route, what we should do is have divisions like pro soccer and have promotion and relegation.
Why don't they rebuild with schools from other conferences? There are plenty of FCS schools that are looking for a conference.
Because schools in other conferences are financially tied into their other conferences. To rebuild, they would need/want some schools with big name recognition, but the majority of those are in the remaining Power 5 conferences. Which leaves schools in the MWC, MAC, AAC, C-USA, Sun Belt, and Independent to fill from. But those conferences and schools don't have the money needed to "buyout" of their current conference. San Diego State was brought up as a potential filler early on, but the school would have to pay the MWC around $25 million in exit fees to leave. Now there are possibilities of schools contracts coming to a close with their current conference. But that would leave schools with the decision to re-sign with their conference, or take a chance and leave to a conference full of uncertainty.
So now you are left with schools in FCS (Division 2), and Division 3 to go after. But very few of those schools has the requirements needed to jump up into FBS (Division 1).
They technically could but not one school that would show any interest in them would bring the same viewership or money they got from schools like USC or UCLA. Maybe they can still carry on with table scraps from smaller conferences but the luster they had before will be gone.
Because they would rather die with their pride than give in and accept the "lowly rabble" schools
If Vandy is forced to leave the SEC people will riot
They won't be forced out. The top brands will simply leave to join (or form) another conference.
Awesome content on this channel 👍
I can’t wait for the book on the demise of the Pac-12 to be written.
This is what happens when you monetize university level athletics…