UniFi Cloud Gateway Ultra
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- Опубликовано: 3 мар 2024
- The UniFi Cloud Gateway Ultra is the latest hardware release in the Ultra line. Coming in at $129 it may be the perfect point of entry into the UniFi ecosystem. 1Gb IDS/IPS, up to 3 WAN connections, management of 30 UniFi devices and 300 clients makes the price to feature ratio pretty great.
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Thanks, Willie. I've got an alert running against both the UK and EU stores for availability on the this device - it's perfect for my church client as a replacement for a cloud-based controller that's got two AP's and a switch.
I've got one. I think this is the best option for home users who don't need UniFi Protect and integrated Wi-Fi. You can set up the device without creating a UI account, which is great. Additionally, WireGuard performance is excellent! I have most security options enabled and the device is running with the following specifications:
Temperature: 44 degrees Celsius
Memory: 1.44GB/3.00GB
Storage: 813MB/9.90GB
I grabbed one on launch and have been running it for a bit over a week now. I wanted to get into the UniFi ecosystem and now I'm in. I'm definitely looking forward to your future videos as I'm still learning the UniFi system!!
I was planning on replacing my Edgerouter X with this so thanks for giving your take on that.
Me to, but I have several ER's in a home-family network "mesh" so the controller part worries me.
Thanks! I'll be getting one for sure with those features and that price point.
I got a alert which said in stock and within a hour they was all sold , so was lucky to pick one up .
Is there any chance you can test max smartqueues throughout that it can handle?
I think this is the perfect device for small branch offices. Makes for real cheap SD-WAN with site magic
Just purchased one today from EU store, It's a perfect USG replacement
Great video, thanks for sharing! I’m just getting into the UniFi ecosystem (already have a Flex Mini and U7 Pro. As soon as these are back in stock, I’m going to be ditching my ISP’s modem/router and replacing it with this (and a DOCSIS 3.1 gigabit cable modem).
Would this do 1 Gbps up and down simultaneously? Edgerouter X can do 1 Gbps in total if im correct
This looks like the upgrade I’ve been waiting for. What are the steps to migrate to the new Gateway Ultra if I am running a self hosted controller (on Raspberry Pi) & a USG-3P?
I think we need a short video on that. :)
Yes I agree with a short video migration USG-3P to UCG Ultra !!
@@wilsonlspacheco That's probably something thousands of people will do this year, so it would come in handy for a lot of people.
Agree. I am running two sites with the older Cloud Key and USG3, one being a dual wan. When available, I will procure a couple. But as others here mention, I want to migrate to this device. So, I probably know how to do it, but would love to see a video migrating from a USG3/cloud key v1.
That's what I'm looking for as well, USG3+CK2 to CGU. I setup the USG3+CK2 following step-by-step instructions a few years ago so I'm apprehensive to making changes to my working network.
I am using ER-X at home, and between home, Summerhouse and my sons and my daughters house. I am managing this with UNMS controller. At each site, my WAP's is Unifi AP-AC-PRO managed by self hosted Unifi controller. I have often wondered if I should change ER-X to some Unifi gear, but I have never felt it was right. Is it the right time now? (all locations has 1000/1000 speed).
Hi Willy! Great content as always. Ignoring Access Point, would you say this is a good replacement for a UDM due to the 1Gbps protection. Been thinking about replacing my UDM (and potentially repurposing it at another location that has slower ISP package). Many thanks!
Standard UDM, maybe.
How long does it take to restart the ultra? I saw some complaints about the express taking 10 min+. Assuming this would be faster. Thanks
Just ordered mine earlier this week. I am currently running a CK1 cloudkey and wondering how to migrate the network controller configuration to the new UCG ultra. I have 3 UniFi switches and 4 UniFi AP’s. I currently use a standalone Linksys router so that will all have to be hand jammed (lots of port forwarding and other settings for my unraid server). Can I simply create a backup on the CK1, download it and restore that on the UCG Ultra?
This functions also as a firewall correct? Does this support VLANs and the unifi switch line?
I’ve got a UDR and thinking bout selling it and getting the ultra and another ap6 pro. I’m looking forward to the video comparison between express (which I’m using as an AP) and the UDR
Can you add the lite to the comparison please?
can you recommend me a switch to connect to the unifi cloud gateway ultra to power up 2 x U6 Proffesional AP's with poe and some other devices like my computer.
Nice video mate. I have the UDM base since its release and at this stage I have multiple AP’s around my home. Would this be a good replacement for the UDM? Think it’s starting to overheat the off time as the fan kicks in a lot.
Standard yes but you'll need an AP.
Can you assign 2,5Gb port for LAN and use another 1Gb port for WAN ?
How is the heat of the unit? I have a USG-3 that gets downright toasty, even having it sitting on a cooling rack to give airflow all around it.
Just got one. It runs quite cool at idle and consumes less than 3watts. I'll have to wait until May to install in production to test under load. If I remember correctly, the old usg got hot just sitting idle. So IMO much better
Has IPv6, smart queues, and deep packet inspection improved compared to the USG
Thanks! Would like to know what is the best AP to pair with this. I want at least 2 indoor and 1 outdoor.
i just bought a unifi express, but am not sure if im regretting it or not? i like its wifi capability but i have a 1gbps internet connection, which i understand im lucky to get with this device. id like to get a multi site config at some point which the gateway ultra already offers, but i wonder if its worth it compared to express + cloudkeyg2? if i wanna go down the protect route at some point anyway, does that further benefit going with a cloudkeyg2 in addition to my express?
Multisite = ckg2 and UXG.
Can you use this just for the network CK and use a different gateway (ISP Modem) for the routing without double nat?
I will buy all of these.
I'm thinking about getting into the Ubiquity ecosystem, is this and an access point all I need or will I be missing something?
Is it able to perform a radius server function or does it only depend on an external radius service?
I haven't tried to setup radius but I'm assuming we can -- Sounds like a good topic for a follow up video!
Plz test the 1Gb switching. It just seems crazy you can’t get 1Gb transfer on two devices same time to me.
All perfect, but I wish protect was available
So, can you adopt this into an existing UniFi controller or does the CGU need to be the controller for the network?
It has to be the controller.
how does this compare to a Fortigate? or Pfsense? Im looking to upgrade my fortigate 60e which has dozens of IPv4 rules and port forwarding with VIPs. would this run multiple subnets with full IP control? Are there any subscription cost associated for any of the features? I run multiple SSIDs on different subnets as well... i saw a comment on youtube that you can only run 1 subnet with multiple SSIDs which seems rudimentary to me but i havnt confirmed. Have you run into any limitations?
Thanks I just buy one pass Sunday and is waiting to pick up today I’m hier in Belgium
Thanks for the vid. Do you know if this device comes with QoS and if its any good. I currently use an Edge-router that has really good qos.
The EdgeRouter has better QoS. UniFi only have smart queues.
Thanks, I only use smart queues on edger router, so is this the same smart que technology on the ultra?@@WillieHowe
Does it have a battery inside for safe shutdown like the UCK+ does ?
I don't think so but we can test that.
Can you make a video how to migrate this device to someone who has a usg and cloud key 2 plus?
How usable IPv6 configuration and or information in the UI?
I would like to hear more about IPv6 also, Unifi and IPv6 support sucks....
Can you do a video of upgrading from USG with cloud key to Cloud Gateway Ultra?
Could I add cameras and protect later on an additional device? Have a USG-3P now and a gen 1 cloud key, with no cameras. But I may add cameras in the future - what would be the best approach?
Existing setup:
USG-3P
CK gen 1
Unifi Switch 24
3-4 NanoHD (with injectors)
1 AC LR (with injector)
Thanks for your thoughts!
(I have a Cloud Gateway Ultra on order, and I’m aware of the UDM-SE - but it seems like overkill? I’m also concerned about some of the SE hardware issues around locking up/failing)
Yes. CK gen2+ for protect.
Would that unit take the place of a cloud key and a security gateway?
Yes
Is it possible to backup and restore a standalone Unifi network site configuration to this?
Please consider setting up your own local speedtest server for throughput testing. It's pointless to do a demo on a flaky connection.
Can you do multi site with this, or is it a single site only controller?
Single site.
hey, im new to this, so sorry for the question. would this be a good thing to buy for a small house with 5-10 wired devices and 5 wireless? i know i'll need to buy a AP too but thats easy. thanks.
I think so.
@@WillieHowe thank you
Would you say this replaces like a TZ firewall from Sonicwall?
Probably up to the 370. Anything over that probably not.
Can you put Velcro or command adhesive strip to make it wall mountable?
It's lite enough I think it could work.
It the UXG as powerfull as the Ultra?
I had an older Unifi USG (secure gateway) that is broken. Will this do the same "job"? And is it also built-in cloudkey?
Wondering that myself. My USG still works but I have the old Cloud Key Gen 1 that no longer accepts firmware updates.
@@FBHSswimmer2006 I got this confirmed by Unifi. It will work the same 👍
Is there a way around their user agreement? I don't like them grabbing all the devices on my network and other unique data info. Please advise.
From what you showed in this video. I didn't see much on this device as the regular unifi USG gateway. What do you recommend for firewall router to use at home?
Depends. Do you need parental controls?
@@WillieHowe no parental control
@@acbass4875 do you care about IDS and IPS?
Yes please.
@@WillieHowe . Yes I like to be in control over all devices in my network
I'm currently running about 33 devices off of a USG and UCK+. That includes about 5 APs, UNVR (running Protect), 4 switches and about 16 cameras. Would this be a good replacement for the USG and UCK+?
I did exactly that. Only a few hours in, but the network application is noticeably faster now. Did have to readopt most of my devices, and neither of my wifi networks came across in the backup migration which caused some pain. Also had one device that kept readopting to the old network app on the CK instead of the new one.
@@kbr1887 Did you have reset the devices? Some of my cameras are ladder access only. Do you have over 30 devices, that's my biggest concern.
@@roncamerata9878 the network app said a reset was the only way forward. I may have been able to get away with forgetting the device from the existing network app on the CK, but I only have two APs and a switch so I just reset them.
Is there a way to shut off the cloud key on this router, and migrate to your self hosted server ?
No
Thanks Willy!!!, do you know if i can upload a backup from USG-3P to this device easily?
Just forget your usg and adopt this into the site.
Thanks for taking the time to answer, much appreciated.
Could I politely ask you to make comparison with UDM? (Not udmpro). I'm looking for replacement for my UDM, it seems fullfil my needs but would like to see differences in real life in comparison to UDM...
UDM is getting my nerves with some limitations and lack of WAN2
I haven't seen the UDM for sale for a bit.
@@WillieHowe I've bought it year ago, brand new.
I want one but it's been sold out for a week now.
I just received a Ultra to replace a USG3. Existing network is running a Linux controller with 2 sites (default which is empty) and a site2 instance which was created a few years ago using the export/import method into the Linux controller. I see no way to import or restore a site from a multi-controller (my linux controller) to the Ultra.
Resolved my import problem by switching the Ultra UI to the legacy UI. Once on the legacy UI, restore function gave me a pop up with option to select the site I wanted.
How to migrate from Edge Router X? Wich is more capable?
How to import Unifi APs that are on Unifi Network Server Windows App?
What mean each and everyone? Sorry for my english.
Not bad but I'm waiting for the Max to become available. Already run the network app on a Debain VM.
Another nice gateway unavailable in the sold out store
When upgrading an old USG-3P system I assume you have to "Forget" the USG-3P first, before adopting the new Cloud Gateway into your system, right?
- Forget USG-3P
- Backup
- Disconnect USG-3P and old Cloud Key
- Connect new Cloud Gateway Ultra
- Run the setup as shown in this video (but restore from backup instead)
Would this work, or should it be done differently?
On theory your procedure should work.
I did that, but none of the devices came across and I lost both wifi network configs and had to recreate them.
@@kbr1887 Even if you restored from a backup?
@@SeanChYT yup
@@kbr1887 Hmm.. What's the proper procedure then? If anyone finds out, please let us know. I am going to upgrade 4 USG-3P systems to this new gateway, so I don't want to have to reconfigure everything if I can avoid it.
It might not give you everything you want such as 2.5GB lan, but it's a great option if you want to replace that old USG and don't want to pay dream machine prices!
It's also a different form factor - one that I really like, and fits my installation locations a lot better than any rack or "R2-D2" type device.
@@SeanChYT The form factor is the kicker for me. Don't have room for rack mount equipment. Disappointed about lack of a 2.5 GbE LAN, but c'est la vie
I love Ubiquiti and have installed equipment and UniFi in 5 homes so far. However, there's one major gotcha....Product Availability. You can't buy a Dream Router today. You can't buy a UCG Cloud today. Ugh. I really need a UCG Cloud asap. One of my buddies had/have a USG-3P that has crashed. I need a replacement gateway now and the UCG Cloud would be perfect.
I’d really like to know why it has a 2.5G wan
Speculation? Probably laying the groundwork for future models.
2G+ internet is available in parts of SE Asia (Singapore as an example). Makes sense to accommodate for a large user base.
@@johncharles88888 but there is no way to use it. All the lan ports are 1G and the backplane is also 1G
In the recent video from Crosstalk Solutions he speculates that it is to make sure you get 100% full 1Gbps performance out to the WAN and not 1Gbps minus the usual overhead that denies you the full 100.0000% performance. Not sure if this is correct or not.. just conveying his take on it. Probably, Mr. Howe's speculation here might be more relevant to the issue.
Just confirming. It's rated at a GIG but you have never seen a gig from the device on download? Correct? Peak times don't exist anymore. There is over provisioning from the ISP. Do a test with ISP router right after.
Picked one up, tried it out, but quickly decided it was not a replacement for my EdgeRouter 4.
- no DHCP reservations preprovisioned. The device first has to come online, before you can assign a specific IP to it.)
- no DNAT (for forcing DNS to my pihole for all devices that use hardcoded DNS)
These are just two relatively simple things missing for me in UnifiOS compared to EdgeOS.
Bummer.
Also a huge bummer is the fact that even though it supports 2.5GBe WAN, it only supports 1GBe at the LAN side, shared among all ports. So not even 2x 1GBe, no just 1GBe for all LAN ports together.
I love the rest, the form factor and footprint, the integrated controller, but without the abovementioned I simply cannot use it.
Sold out still.
Completely missed there was feet in the box!! Now I wish it had bigger feet but we'll manage somehow... so far the feet are my only disappointment with the device.. so tiny. Little itzy bitzy rubber feet. Was completely satisfied with the UCG Ultra until this video... oh well.
Only 300+ clients? I need about 600+ clients for my school.
Then this is not the device you seek.
@@WillieHowe any other unifi cloud gateway? or simply using pc or server?
This device make much more sense than the UniFi express or Gateway Lite. But why not charge +$20-$60 and add an access point? This should be a device that replaces/upgrades the Dream Router.
Ubiquiti, rename the "UniFi Express" to the "Dream Router Lite (Gen 2)", and rename the "Gatway Ultra" to "Dream Router (Gen 2)" and add an access point. Or make a new line of "SOHO Routers" and separate them from the "Gateway" line of products.
I like this because it has no AP. Only thing that sucks for me is the 1Gb switching across the 4 ports. It really should support two computers pulling 1Gb each on a 2Gb internet connection and from what they are saying it doesn’t!
I have 4 sites in my extended family with USG-3Ps today. I really don't want an access point at the locations where the router is located. This having no access point is perfect for me.
@@SeanChYT you could do what everyone else does with AIO modem routers. Turn off the internal access point.
@@HueMongus101 That makes zero sense in this context. The Unifi range now has so many choices that people should just buy the device that fits their environment the best. Yes, and I know how to disable an access point. Most people here do.
@@SeanChYT Neither does purchasing this device to replace the USG-3P. The USG-3P can be centrally managed, but the Gateway Ultra is a stand-alone unit for 1 site. So it would NOT meet your needs anyway, with or without the AP. The Gateway Lite is more suited to replace the USG-3P
Please put it in Dark Mode before going to the other screens. That White is so bright and hard to see the detail. Thanks.
Interesting, I've got an Express from the UK store that I've not done anything with yet, original plan was for a family member. The Cloud Gateway Ultra though as a replacement to pfsense/opnsense/Sophos XG Home. Mmm now there is a thought. Ah I forgot I have a CK Gen2 +, which protect and talk are running on. Thus UXG-Lite maybe
Does this come with a safe shutdown sir like the uckg2plus? thanks
Not that I can tell.
@@WillieHowe have you tried to unplug and see if there's a safe shutdown or just turn off.. is it prone to corrupt?
@@yanyou9959 I haven't but we can.