So, midi over bluetooth and why are these new CME Widi Master gizmos such a MASSIVE DEAL
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- We use all kinds of midi controllers and gizmos in my Facebook group the Line6 Midi Mad Scientists Club.
Sometimes wireless is just the thing, the bigger your guitar rig, the more flexibility you can get by going wireless!
CME are presently pushing a new gizmo and here we are discussing exactly WHY these are going to make massive waves in the music world.
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Thanks much for the explanation, Cheers!
Alex, I'm new to WIDI and yet to purchase same. I have 4 MIDI keyboards in my studio. One is a MIDI enabled acoustic grand piano. The acoustic grand has a MIDI box which reads the keyboard in silent mode when acoustic sound is not needed. This is achieved by moving a lever under the keyboard. I Would like to know how I can select-control-play my other 3 MIDI boards from the grand keyboard (favoured keyboard) and how to select a prefered sound. I have presumed that this is done via a physical MIDI switch box of some kind or an app (as you seems to indicate in your excellent YT presentation). As you will deduce, i am a MIDI novice but before I jump into WIDI connectors I need to figure out how to switch between my MIDI keyboards and to easily select the sound I want to use when recording into my DAW. Hoping you can advise and or recommend a suitable device-app solution. With thanks. Peter from Australia.
Wow.
Hello from Italy, love australia, almost a second home. What you are asking to me seems possible though I am more a guitar guy and use midi for controlling pedalboards. Midi is midi though and could definitely do what you're asking. If you're on Facebook I would defer you to a friend who actually deals more in keyboards. Have a look for Andrew Bonica. You should be able to map any midi out to any midi in so that playing one board drives the sounds in another, the same would apply for your daw. You should be able to drive any sort of synth or virtual instrument and record directly.
What the widi master does is simply extend a wireless set of midi cables from any device to any device without the necessity to go via a computer. This may or may not be what you're actually looking for as it sounds you want to network the lot and be able to direct midi from one to another and then back to the computer. This is all entirely doable as far as I know.
Keep me posted as to how you get along as I'm certain we can link you up to those who know more on this.
I'd say this mate, look me up on Facebook and let's be in touch. I'd really need to know more of your entire setup but I have a few ideas for a pretty neat way to rig up a wireless remote control that could act as a cool switch for doing this... got an ipad ??
@@AlecBourneMidiMadScientist Thanks Alec for your help and interest. I will put together some sort of schematic of what hardware -software I have and also some imagined solution. Once done I will find you on facebook. The only real mystery I think is to find an app, if any, which already has it all sorted?. Possible option also being some sort of a software/hardware (black box) (intelligent MIO or similar? ) that auto detects the board name and address of each boards sounds. Presumably facilitated by some sort of touch screen to quickly switch sounds and ideally available to selected bars in a DAW creation I understand that MIDII Two can identify keyboard names now and I see where you are going with the IPad question and yes I have one.
Definitely join my group. There are several ways to view this and to control it all really well. An iPad with onsong. Aum and perhaps another few apps will more than do the entire job wirelessly. Or allow you various monitoring options.
Could be a really fun project.
Thankx whats the version of Blue tooth , does it matter ??
BT5 is roughly twice as fast and has really long range but needs little power. BT4 is about half and way shorter range.
How do you deal with unpowered Midi-out ports? Because then those devices will not work unless you somehow provide power yourself.
This is exactly the case. So you can hook up a DIY cable to power off a usb battery. I don’t find this too appealing myself. The WIDI master is actually the first in a whole series of gizmos being developed by suggestions from CME’s growing community. The next product is called the WIDI Jack, this is a slightly more modular approach and can basically adapt to anything. The unit is a bit bigger but it takes usb power directly, has tiny TRS jacks for in and out and those you can get in 2.5, 3.5, and 5 pin layouts. So chop and change as you like.
Coming up later this year there will be a uhost one which is usb only, and after this some HUB models which will have multiple midi outs.
So many configurations in the works.
@@AlecBourneMidiMadScientist I'm going to try a midi thru set up to see if that would solve the issue I have with my Widi Masters as it turns out that the two synths that I have don't power the midi out port.
Also exciting to hear about the future release of the jack plug.
@@MarceldeJong the way I've done it so far is to daisy chain to a device that does have power using midi thru.. works out just fine.
Great video and thanks for making it.
Just wondering if you could help. I have a Korg Triton keyboard and a Roland Ax Edge keytar. I would like to control my Tritons sounds using my keytar for afew songs. Would the 'new' product you spoke of work for this and would i need 2 of them? The keytar has Bluetooth by the way also so I'm not sure if that means i could only need one of them.
Thanks in advance.
I’d recommend joining the WIDI and X key group on facebook for more direct info. Essentially with 2 WM you’re communicating directly using the latest Bluetooth 5 speeds and range which are considerably improved. With just 1 it should work in theory as the WidiMaster will negotiate just fine with legacy BLE gear and run at those speeds and range. So if distance is a concern I’d go for the pair...
You’ll find a list of compatible gear on the group. I’m more guitar stuff myself but so long as your gizmos can provide 3.3v over the midi out port then yeah they’ll work fine. The keytar I’ve seen working. The triton I’m not sure. The WM can be split, so if the keytar needs midi out only simply leave off the little sub dongle ( which is purely passive TRS to 5 pin ). On the Korg end, the out port will power that WM and you’ll connect the little sub dongle to the midi in port. Negotiation and pairing is fully automatic. Couldn’t be easier.
@@AlecBourneMidiMadScientist thank you so much for getting back to me. I think the Keytar does have the 3.3v to power a device but unsure of the Korg. I am assuming if the Korg can't power one then there is some device box i can buy which will provide power for it then? Guessing I'd just have to connect a midi cable from the Korg into the power box and then attach the Widi into the power box.
Shaun Hardman yeah, you can supply it via battery I believe, they have a wiring diagram to build your own but what I’ve done is just link another midi out nearby and extended the midi in side to pedals which don’t have that 3v . Check with CME as the vast majority of devices will work. They’re also working on bringing out a few adapters that’ll come with usb c power input. The WIDI Jack and a Uhost,
I did a load of testing on these with the early prototypes and they’re pretty amazing gizmos. My place is practically a bunker and a nightmare for passing wireless. These have been flawless in adverse conditions, both at home and at my club. Unreal range on em.
Hope they work out for you,
@@AlecBourneMidiMadScientist fantastic, thank you once again for your time
@@shaunhardman9524 I just ordered the Morningstar MC8. I have a KORG Triton too, I'm excited to figure it out with the CME WIDI Jack ( DIN5 Connectors ).
Does your computer have to have bluetooth to connect to the widi say on a midi guitar pedal. I want to to connect it to my audio interface which has a midi in/out. Please let me know what you think.
I love the mi.1 it’s great.
Those were my first venture into bluetooth midi. Really were great little gizmos. I hope they will update to CME level stuff with bluetooth 5. Any idea of a way to assign the quicco names ?
@@AlecBourneMidiMadScientist story Alex I don’t. But they are really good units. I also have zivic puc+ I use with my accordion as the midi on my accordion doesn’t put out any power so I can’t use the quicco. I have been looking at the roland as that takes a battery but it’s too long. The midi on my accordion is down at the bottom and something as long as the Roland would catch on my legs when I’m sitting down to play and damage the midi socket.
You’re not this guy with the Ferrari red turbo styled accordion then ?? Maybe make it part of your strap. I had this Yamaha silent guitar which absolutely ATE 9v batteries if you used it with the onboard effects. I was going through 2 a day which is impossible. Got this battery pack for charging my phone and a 5v to 12v birdsong cable and this dude stitched me up a leather pouch and a new funky guitar strap on the spot... was in thailand travelling and the dude was amazing. So the strap held everything and I fed the power cables in and problem solved. Why not do that and stick your midi transmitter in a pouch with power and snake a 5pin right angled flat cable to the out port. Will work fine. I slip mine inside and under the pedal board often using a 5 pin dual feminine barrel connector and it does the trick. I’d recommend really going with the new Bluetooth 5 like CME has or sign up and get the new WIDI Jack which I’m waiting on. They’re almost at the 3000 request goal and will do an industrial sized batch which should solve my small midi problems converting from 5 pin to TRS. The current cable I have is MASSIVE from Strymon and I’m often ripping my pedals apart and making new travel bags on the fly.
@@AlecBourneMidiMadScientist Mines a black accordion. If I’m using my iPhone for a sound module for Galileo or synths etc I have my iPhone velcroed to my accordion and I use a korg plugkey also velcoed to the body of the accordion to send the midi to the iPhone and the audio from the iPhone to a separate Chanel on my amp from my accordion. If I’m doing a strolling gig I use the zivic puc+ so I can walk about without any cables and use a wireless transmitter for my audio, I only really use normal wired midi if I’m using my analog synths or technics arranger with the accordion. Music has come so far with technology from when I was growing up. I’m in no big rush to change my wireless setup because COVID restrictions prevent me from working at the moment. Thanks for the info. Have a great day.
I love how you say“computer”.
Think I’d been watching way too much Star Trek
HOW do you use WIDI MASTER as simply a midi wire to connect the midi out of one device (Midi Pedal with midi power) to the in of another (Midi Solutions midi merge unit - no midi power)?
I need two midi to midi connections just like this - the second going to the input of a midi unit with power...
The midi output of this Midi Solutions midi merge unit is to go to another device wirelessly, not back to the Midi Pedal device it is receiving at the input of this midi merge unit from!
Specifically, I want to go WIRELESS MIDI from a midi start stop pedal (by One Trick Pony) to a Midi Solutions midi merge unit, with that midi out going WIRELESS to the input of a midi clock tap tempo unit with power (the Disaster Area SMARTClock Gen3, by Disaster Area), with that midi out going to an iOS instrument app.
If I need a WIDI Jack to do these things, how can I actually BUY one right now?
The WIDI jack may be a solution but these are only now gearing up for mass production. You’d want to contact CME and get in the list for the first run. There are possible ways to power up a WIDI master and to extend them with 5 pin barrels but this would perhaps be a bit much of a hack and you could probably wait for the jack to come out which would be more flexible for powering and changing cables to change the end to either 5 pin or TRS A and B. I’m waiting that myself for a few of my pedals or will use another controller to adapt better to TRS. The Strymon one I have is huge and a real pain to route under the boards...
What would help man is get in touch via facebook or messenger where you can send me a diagram or we can have a video call. A picture is worth a 1000 words and there is a good chance you can do this with 2 WIDI masters alone, but I’d need a way clearer understanding of your actual rig.
app name
Audiobus3, or AUM, or midimittr...
@@AlecBourneMidiMadScientist ok thank i’m musician from thailand
@@SPECIALEpiphone ahh wow. Where in Thailand!? I hope to come back again when this pandemic is over. Amazing musicians in ThaiLand 🇹🇭 I learn a lot there every time. Now been 5 times . Koh Lanta and Koh Payyam every time.
@@AlecBourneMidiMadScientist I live in Phitsanulok province.
Saba dee Krup Man! Nice. Next to the Laos border ? I pass thru udon Thani and around but not yet your way. On the list.