And once again you are guilty of lumping all EV and the companies that make them together as if by magic. Why not educate yourself before you rant your universal salad of garbage. This is just your way of lighting off the lunacy of your viewers keeping them as dumb as you insist on being yourself. Not all EV's are the same. There is one clear leader in this space. They are not having the issues those playing catch up are. Tesla is the only company who are doing it correctly.
No question that Tesla is the leader in this field, BUT, the undercarriage battery pack used by them is liable to the same exact sort of damage. The difference between Tesla had Hyundai is that Tesla does not have to import their batteries from Korea on a case by case basis, and so a Tesla is not typically written off by the insurance company when this sort of damage occurs. BUT, here is where you are missing the point. This Hyundai was deemed unrepairable because of damage to the battery housing. Damage that could happen to any similar EV. It was considered too much of a liability by the dealer and the insurance company because the battery, even though it functioned as it should, COULD NO LONGER BE TRUSTED, and is now a candidate for catastrophic failure. This is the point brought up directly by the dealer, the insurance company and Hyundai itself. NOW WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU??? It means that there are countless EV's out on the road every day encountering typical road hazards, having their batteries dented and disturbed, and the drivers of these cars are not only oblivious to the damage but also oblivious to the potential consequences. Would you put your kids in an electric car KNOWING that its battery was compromised and is now capable of spontaneous combustion? OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T And that is the point. With an EV, what you don't know can incinerate you. That INCLUDES TESLA.
When someone says they want to replace internal combustion vehicles with electric vehicles, what they're really saying is : "We want to take your cars from you...." (and your Freedom, and your independence).
a Electric car is a great idea but they want to power the grid with solar and windmills ... ensuring all kinds of failure ...think of blackouts and you freezer spoiling
It's actually worse than that. It's that the battery is now a huge liability for Hyundai, for the dealership, for the insurance company and most of all, for the owner. This is going to happen every single time a battery has an incident. It simply costs too much money to remove it from the vehicle, open it and test every cell in the battery. Replacement is the ONLY option. They are simply too expensive.
Car dependency is the opposite of freedom and independence. It sucks money out of you constantly. Building cities for cars only means you’re stuck inside a jail, especially for children. You can’t play outside on the streets, you can’t walk to the shops, you can’t meet up with your friends outside. You MUST sponsor the car and oil industry and of course pay your dues to the insurance company. Then you have to pay taxes to pay for all the infrastructure AND all the subsidies to the oil industry. The NEED to use cars IS NOT freedom. I’m lucky enough to live in a country side small city where I can walk to anything I need so I don’t NEED a car. Therefore I can have the financial FREEDOM to do what the heck I want AND drive whatever I want for HOBBY. No traffic jams, no boring commutes, no stress, just drive when I want what I want, which is not nearly as much as the shackled people in suburbia who are 100% slaves to the car industry.
Or....REALLY get views, stay away from the wet fart sound hillbilly 2JZ, and small tire that thing w/a tube chassis and a 540 Chrysler. NOW you got some views!
We're almost there. Tesla has announced future models will be single-piece chassis to reduce manufacturing, but this means collision repairs will be almost impossible. Even the current models are one fender-bender away from a $10K claim on your auto policy, or with battery damage a total-out and disposal of the car.
Hmm you're probably right. There was a time when cell phones could get a new battery, then they sealed it up and we had to buy a new phone. The battery is like 50% of the car's value. When it comes time to replace, a not insignificant percentage of people would just scrap the car.
I work at a Nissan dealer the ammount of personal safety gear required, baracades arround the car on a lift when the service techs work on an EV battery is kinda frightening to see.....it looks like a nuclear sub being worked on or something
When one catches fire it is a full on hazmat situation. They have a special rubber sheet they cover the car with, many men in hazmat suits, if water is used to put out the fire it is collected and treated as a hazardous substance
Tony , bottom line is: the government wants to be in control or you and your vehicle. Not to mention those replacement battery profits go to China or wherever they are made.
I remember watching Rich rebuilds, and he had a Tesla that was used. He calls the dealership up and he tries to get a replacement cap for one of the lug nuts. They told him that they can't sell him anything for that car. It was ridiculous.... but it did show what's going on out there in the EV world....
Once saw a guy work on a dodge caliber hit in the headlight area , the wire harness was crushed and harness plugs missing , called to get repair wiring or harness , found out no parts available , insurance had to purchase complete wire harness , headlight to tail light , fuse boxes and some under dash harness that was all part of harness , TIMES HAVE CHANGED , like were in the twilight zone , I was shocked
I think component level repair should be mandated to be available for everything. No one should be forced to buy an entire assembly just to replace one part in it.
@ josephmclennan1229-- Hang on to your 2003 Town Car. These were great cars, and if given proper routine maintenance, they can last a very long time. It's too bad that Lincoln stopped making the Town Car after the 2011 model year, as well as other "panther platform" cars.
The problem is that EV batteries aren't one solid hunk of "battery" like a standard car lead acid battery. Think of it like a battery pack with 1000 AA installed. Then think if one bumps loose and makes a short the whole thing can burn down faster than a Pinto in a demolition derby. Speaking of which more people complained, freaked out, and panicked over the Ford Pinto "blowing up" vs modern day EV buyers having their house burn down over charging their car over night.
Ralph Nader is almost completely responsible for ruining cars. His 1965 book "unsafe at any speed" led to the creation of the DOT and NHTSA ultimately ensuring that cars would be bloated down and ruined in every way possible from the styling to the power to the cost. The pinto was a low hanging fruit and the ethics around it were shakey so it always gets the heat. But no one is willing to admit that EVERY compact car from that point back had big cube shaped gas tanks right between the bumper and rear axle that could rupture and ignite in certain conditions in a collision. The lesson is: No one gave a shit before the media made a big deal about it.
The frustrating thing to me is that it doesn't need to be this way. On the lithium systems I work on the individual cells are designed to be easily replaced. The cells are not spot welded together. The built in battery diagnostics will even tell you exactly what cell is having problems.
@@allurared9029 It was less about where the tank was and more that Ford failed to engineer in anything to protect it, so the rear bumper mount would get pushed right through it. Just another example of Ford cutting corners back in the day. I used to tell people to get a GM, but they've been having quality and design issues now too, so now I can only recommend old cars.
One positive thing about this new EV culture is watching people like Rich Rebuilds who are giving the finger to the companies like Tesla and doing their own repairs "off grid" so to speak. I hope there will be a whole generation of EV hackers who will bypass all the dealer lock outs and come up with cheap fixes.
@@clembob8004EVs and ICE vehicles were on the market at the same time, are you sure you want to be saddled with old outdated tech like electric cars gramps?
When I was in school (1980s) I had a Jr High science teacher telling us about how electric cars were going to be a bargain alternative to crappy little econoboxes of the time.. I actually got my parents on the waiting list to buy an EV1 (they didnt, we could not afford it). I spent my early teen years learning about capacitors and nickel batteries. Ford and Chevrolet both had EVs, the S10 and the ford escort built by contract to sell to government agencies. 100 mile range 110v plug in EVs were going to be the future.... Then the Activists arrived. Government starts giving people $6000 tax incentives to buy golf carts.. They shut down all the small EV production and force manufacturers to build bigger vehicles with larger and larger ranges. The USED EV market is overrun by scammers and con artists because used EVs are worthless.
I have been burned by gas cars so many times that im ready to take a chance on ev's. Gas cars are only 28 percent efficient. DUH!!! thats ok for a toy.....
Dealers make so much money on repairs of late model cars. They don't want EVs. Only enough to take in the taxpayer checks from the government. Look at the billions Tesla received but many people can't afford to fix them such as the battery replacement.
The real scammers are the oil companies that lobbied for the end of the California zero emission mandate. GM never sold any EV-1 cars. They were all leased, and then crushed when the [Zero emission] mandate was defeated. They sold the NiMH battery patents to an oil company that was bought out by Chevron. Said oil company then sued Panasonic for supplying batteries for Toyota's RAV4 EV. Toyota, having been burned by patents, then focused research on hydrogen cars instead. Tesla building their cars with hundreds of lithium-ion 18650 batteries was actually a patent work-around. It was a volatile battery chemistry/form-factor commonly used in laptops at the time. This meant that Tesla's battery supplier could not be sued for producing the commodity cells.
we agree@@chrisgraham2904 in the 70's "new and improved" thin film capacitors would be shorted if a finger nail dented the otter wrap and why would E V batteries be less prone to damage than lead acid type.
I get that you don't want your channel to just be videos like these but this stuff is important to educate people on this lunacy. We need as many examples of these types of issues because some people will just wave it off as "oh but doesn't happen that often" but if we have fifty different stories we can point to it will convince people that it's a major problem.
Need to start comparing EV's to the Ford Pinto. How many Pinto's actually blew up vs how many houses burned down from charging an EV? See someone with a Tesla or other EV, just tell'em "Nice Pinto you got there".
@@Dherkin_McGhurken I once owned a Pinto - A nice, lemon-yellow '77 Pony-MPG hatchback, with the factory gas-tank protection package. Wish I had it now!
Saving the the world by driving a coal powered car that is half as efficient as a gas powered car all the while sitting on a 1000lb plus incendiary device that when it does burst into flames is an environmental catastrophe. Brilliant way to go tree huggers.
Proud Boomer here. Been restoring and customizing vehicles for over 35 years. Easily have owned over 50 in my lifetime. Only about 10 being newer than from the 80’s. As owner of a body shop. Ive seen a few EV’s come in my shop. Never, ever, will I remotely consider buying one. Give me an ICE vehicle any day!
In East Canada were I live, you hit a pot hole, a firewood block, a ice block fallen from big trucks in winter or a moose every 10 miles. There will be more EV junkyards then mooses soon.
@@timewa851 I've actually noticed the local pick-n-pull has started selling used ev batteries, they are pre-pulled and stacked by the checkout counter.
@@BurnerJones I've seen junkyards selling hybrid battery packs too, likely for a Prius. With the batteries removed, the car carcass can be stacked in the lot for picking the same as any other car.
That's true in any rural area ... well except for the moose. Ice, rocks, hunks of pavement out of a pothole, ruts in a dirt road are everywhere. I don't think I have ever owned a car I didn't at one time take onto a dirt road... even when I lived in a city.
We're basically at w@r right now, in just about every way except the standard aspect; culturally, spiritually, everything. There's been a "w@r on the car" since the early '70s, under the guise of then fuel efficiency and safety. Now it's ultimate and obvious goal is to rid the world of public vehicle ownership, completely. We're basically the resistance fighters.
Who in their right mind would even consider buying an electric vehicle second hand, Bad enough to worry about the battery craping out but to also worry if a previous owner had already done damage that they didn't want to deal with and just pass it along..
I guarantee if that dealer took his ioniq on a trade with that damage they’d just look the other way and sell it. Then the next poor bastard owner comes in for work “oh by the way your battery warranty is void”
@@tabbott429 Because you infrequently use them. 👏 Anybody who uses cordless tools on a daily basis knows they don't last anywhere near that long, much simpler technology in the cordless tool batteries too.
Before you buy an EV, you might want to spend money on an extended visit with a SHRINK to find out what's wrong with you. I'll keep my Tundra with 5.7 thank you.
They truly achieved their dream. A 100% failure rate guarantee for every vehicle produced and you cant resell them, no one wants a used ev pawned onto them. Trade in gets you next to nothing Example. The first chevy volts. You can get one cheap now but since the battery is discontinued theres a 300-400% mark up. I think the last one I read about was 30k$ for the battery alone
Not only do people not know the high likelihood of their vehicle being scrapped for minimal damage, but many still parrot the BS about them never needing servicing, not using lubricants or coolant. Like that will ever be a thing. I expect to see their vehicles also on the junk pile in the near future.
The idea of EV’s not needing maintenance is true, but it’s not exactly what you think: EV’s are designed in such a way that all their required maintenance, can only be done by dealerships and manufacturers. No more can owners do repair work on their own vehicles- so in a way it’s true, owners never need to maintain their own vehicles because they can’t.
The only marks on the bottom of our dart is from my wife.... we were on the way home from an amusement park and she wanted to drive her new car. Do she did and I fell asleep while we drove over the mountains....well I woke up with nothing but big oak and pine trees in front of us. Just Comin out of the blackness of night and into the headlights. At the same time that I was realizing that I’m not touching my seat. And because of my recklessness of my youth, I immediately understood that the car was not touching ground. Worse yet, The front and kept dropping further and further.(all while also seeing the trees coming) so I instantly went to “omg we are launching off the top of one the the larger mountains of the Appalachians!” Finally I see dirt come up into vision of the headlights, and we hit the skid sideways to a stop... when I looked up I saw a permanent roadblock and I realized that that was one of the entrance roadways to Centralia Pennsylvania (the silent hill place) Apparently she followed the gps, and for god knows what reason it took her there. And apparently they had ripped up the old road there. So in case you ever wondered if a dart flies. Yes, yes they do. And with a nice shallow dive at first. And they sail pretty straight without much dive to either side. We sent that thing like the griswalds sent the truckster station wagon. My best guess was a 6 foot drop if not more. And At least 30 feet coverd before the wheels touched ground again. (And pretty much flat, when we landed) Edit: did I mention that she decided that I pretty much drive us everywhere ever since.
Except when she bought the Durango that I said she will wreck....less than a month later. I come home with the dart. To see her Durango wrecked INTO MY MOTHERS Ranger. (That we’ve had for 20yrs) Ranger got a new taillight, and a small dent. Durango got a grill, bumper, fender, inner splashguard, fender flair, tire, and wheel. And had to be towed away... Magnum is a charger wagon. Durango is a minivan magnum. All same same. And a Durango is only as tough as a charger at the end of the day. The dart is so thin, that a single finger can make the whole rear quarter wrinkle and make pop sounds. Hell, onetime some f-ing moron kicked the fender but with it being so thin, it fixed itself. Because he heat of the engine bay is so hot with the under tray, the plastic covers, and the 210deg thermostat. It gets really hot to the touch of the hood. So it popped the dent out 😮.
I have friends with an Ionic, I warned them that in case of battery failure, the windows and doors won't open. They didn't care, they were in love with technology.
Just think about how many speedbumps there are in this country. Every one of them could potentially total a EV . How many EV have they already totaled?
I heard this story already, and saw the pictures. The damage was absolutely minor on the outside.. just a couple scratches. What are the odds that damage happened before he bought the car? Maybe while unloading from the trailer for delivery or the dealer hitting it wrong with lift? Keep in mind, the car ran fine, it had low miles, and he would have never known if that damage was there before he bought it. Not to mention, the cost of that battery is absolutely ridiculous.
As the electric fleet grows by force and subsidies, I wonder how many people will have to be fried in horrifically uncontrollable electric fires before they admit defeat?
If you're going to have that opinion, you also need to understand how many people have been killed by ICE vehicle design. The Pinto fire issue alone killed 27 people in 7 years.
@@clembob8004 The government did not ban horse buggy or force people to buy ICE cars. ICE technology in cars won because it was objectively superior to any other. To this day, they are still superior at meeting people's needs.
Don't worry the insurance companies are passing the costs right on to us with increased premiums. Mine just went up $200/yr. I know everyone else's has as well.
Common sense is a curse uncle T. Unfortunately, you've been blessed with the ability to decipher the lunacy... but welcome to our small but futile club. We love the vids keep them coming
This makes perfect sense. The problem is the battery is extremely dangerous when damaged. It doesn't matter that he drove it to the dealership. That battery is now a huge liability. That battery if is not removed, opened and thoroughly inspected could be an explosion or fire just waiting to happen. The dealership MUST tell you it needs replacing. If they say "hey, no big deal" and this thing catches fire and kills 3 children in their bedrooms, this is not going to go well for the mechanic who OK'ed it or the dealership he worked in. Same for the insurance adjuster.
How does it make sense to cost more than the car itself to have it replaced though? Or not having a replacement battery in stock at a dealership somewhere? Use your brain 😂 I know it's hard for some people, but you can do it if you try
Keep in mind that the battery was not damaged. Only the battery protective cover was damaged. I have seen photos of the scrape marks. The dealer did not want to assume any responsibility for the repair, and as such, they deemed that the car needs a new battery.
Biggest problem seems to be that once a battery explodes, it doesn't end there. They seem to explode multiple times and are very hard for fire fighters to cool down.
I live in the mountains of Colorado. Rocks fall on roads. I have seen a handful of rock impacts that make me shudder and look for oil on the road. The two times im referring to was a Chevy suburban, the other a motorcycle. Both kept driving, dont mind the little bit of poo in the pants. If an EV had rolled up over those jagged rocks, they would have Ironiqly sarted a forest fire. Keek those fire hazards within 6 minutes of a fire department?
I would bet that most EV buyers don't even see these things as automobiles. they see them as transportation devices and have no emotional attachment to them. What happens when your 60 inch flatscreen takes a dump? You sneak it out the dumpster at 2 am and go buy a new one.
Worked for a Hyundai dealer all last year… these Ionics typically loose 10-30% (from a fully charged battery) of their charge while sitting on the lot. So once a customer buys one they have to wait a day or so to take it home. Also the range decreases rapidly the moment you turn the a/c or heat on.
Those are all valid points except for the AC part. I’ve owned a Honda Clarity PHEV for 5 years and can attest that in pure EV mode, AC usage causes minimal loss of range, but you are completely correct that any cabin heat destroys your range. I’ve seen 30 to 40% loss of range just by using the heater. And cold weather reduces range because the cold battery can’t hold as much charge. Fortunately, I’ve got a garage so my battery only gets to 50 F while it charges. If I had to let the car sit outside, I would never choose a PHEV or EV. FWIW, PHEVs are the way to go. Electric for the first 50 miles (35-40 in winter) and then ICE for long range trips with NO range anxiety. Don’t know why they aren’t made and marketed better.
I'm old and just retired from g.m. Friday. The wait for a battery is unreal. The crate there shipped in and return procees is expensive along with the equipment to remove and install. And the reprogram process. It has to be done methodically or the dealership is 100 percent responsible for any failure. Keeping carburetor and point distriberators is the future. Or at least mine 😂
Thats because GM doesnt know what its doing and doesnt make its own stuff. All they do is marketing and promises that have failed miserably. The Bolt is a joke mediocre POS
@@clembob8004 Well, after a hundred + years, we barely perfected the gasoline engine. Now they want to essentially switch to EV's overnight. Maybe they don't, but the amount of hype and craziness associated with it sure seems like it.
@@clembob8004 This line of argumentation is so stupid, I wish people would stop doing it. We've mastered glassworking. It shouldn't cost $2000 for a sheet of windshield glass.
@@OtherDalfite I'm just stating facts. Autos were slammed and ridiculed just as much in 1895 as EVs are right now, and they were gawdammed expensive until Henry Ford started the whole concept of mass production. The $2k for windshield glass is just corporate gouging. We live in a world full of thieves. That's pretty much what's wrong with everything.
@@tomc8157 Evolution is what it is. Maybe EVs won't take over, or maybe they will, I don't know. But one thing I do know is that EVs are in a really early stage of development.
Plus: Tax payers subsidize every EV to the tune of $9,000, plus power stations and the like, all subsidized by people (tax payers) who did not buy one.
By my parents house where I grew up, there is a set railroad tracks. Worst crossing I've ever seen. The tracks are banked towards a hill that the road comes down and it makes this deceivingly smooth looking but uneven ramp going both ways. I've seen it take out a few oil pans and radiators over the years. One time it even flipped a box truck on its lid. It never totaled a car though unless they kept driving and seized the engine. I image these tracks will wreck havoc on newer cars that hit them too fast.
There's an intersection down the street from me that has a huge hump in the middle of it. Hundreds of inch deep gouges in the pavement from cars bottoming out going over it. Things just waiting to total an EV.
These videos from you get views because you are talking about something everyone is talking about and you have a very intelligent view on current affairs. Thank you Uncle tony And kathy!
The buyers of these EV's can't be made aware of the risks because they wear an impenetrable suit of armour called "Stupidity" and that is what the manufacturers and dealers are banking on. It's practically a renewable resource for them. Infinite stupidity.
The CAD assisted design is always 'right', old engineers that know better have been chased out.. Due to this, and the need to speed projects so fast, Entropy has entered deep into the design systems and engineering lunacy is taking hold.
BINGO!! You hit the nail on the head!! I've seen it come about in the aerospace industry as well. Thank God I'm retired. Long gone are the men who designed masterpieces such as the Empire State Building, Bolder Dam, and Golden Gate Bridge using their brains and pencil on paper. We owe a lot to our forefathers!!
Ryan McBride (tank YTuber) went thru an AI generated photo of an alleged weapons cache. One gun had 2 barrels (plus other odd flaws). He explained how AI generated images of people sometimes have 6 fingers on their hands. During the building of the CAD designed Boeing 777, the fuel dump pipe in the wing was found to interfere with structure...the very thing CAD was used to prevent (proper fit of parts). But...AI will certainly get smarter.
@@obsoleteprofessor2034 You know nothing about CAD. It isn't AI generated 🤣. CAD is simply a tool that replaced drawing boards and makes the task of desgin more convenient. Like a type writer is better than pencil and paper or a word processor is better still.
@@ironcladranchandforge7292 Ridiculous comment. I'm in aerospace myself do you expect the industry to stand still? Do you expect engineers to use drawing boards and an abacus in 2023? CAD is just a tool nothing more, does a type writer create a novel? No it's just a tool more convenient than a pen. If the "great men" are all gone and the new engineers are so bad please explain why modern aircraft are more efficient, more reliable, longer ranged than ever before. Please explain how air crashes have dropped dramatically whilst flights have increased. Please explain how a modern airliner is better in every metric than a 707 shouldn't it be worse now that the "great men" have retired?
I'll stick with a 1972 C-20, throw a distributer, carb, starter , fuel pump , under the seat and a few hand tools, you can fix it unless you throw a rod ....
The problem we still have is most ev buyers think that evs are gods gift and wont accept they are a flawed concept they want them to be the savior of the planet even if they cause the death of the planet
Geoff see's it in the way a normal person does. He is trying to show sense to people in the UK as it is assumed by the government that EV's are ideal replacement to all internal combustion vehicles including hybrids. The other items he mentions about 15 minute cities etc, is a slight reality here in the UK as the London Mayor is doing his upmost to prevent those not well off from travelling and this idea is spreading across the UK as well as there are road monitoring cameras being placed everywhere.
My country has annual vehicle safety inspections and it has come to a surprise to few EV owners that any dent, no matter how minor, around battery box area is automatic fail. Of course fixing such dent at dealer costs an arm and a leg because they'll want to change whole battery just not to be reliable for damages if the thing goes ablaze few months after. I've heard people filling these dents with bondo and underbody sealant. Eventually manufacturers will encase the batteries better but it must suck to buy new 50k car and have it fail for something so stupid.
Love your work man!. My local mechanic also thinks like you. He's the guy you go to to get done what the big shops won't do. Things like repairing systems like AC rather than insisting to replace the whole system.
Also remember that if you financed that EV, and it gets totaled and sold off for well under your loan amount, you still owe the bank the difference. What is the Ionic chassis worth at auction without it's battery?
@@bmstylee Lease is the same. You would still owe money if the totaled value is less than your total lease payments. You would be on the hook for the difference.
@@ldnwholesale8552 That's cheap. Some people resort to sleeping in cars (because they can't afford normal accommodation), so that might be an option for some.
Anyway, I think I pointed this out under one of your other videos. My mechanic is putting a new engine in my RAM 1500 right now. I bought the engine and had it shipped to him. Brand new, fresh remanufactured 5.7 Hemi Eagle. Cost of the engine: just under 4 grand. The labor and the rest will cost me another 2 to 3 grand, depending on how many peripherals need to be replaced. No way I end up paying more than 7 grand for the whole thing, and I get a fresh 5 year unlimited mileage warranty on this new engine. Why did I do it? Well, because the same truck brand new goes for 100 grand these days, that's why. But forget about the cost of a new truck. Compare this complete engine replacement with the replacement cost of these batteries in these electric cars. The 60,000 Canadian Hyundai example is an extreme, but even normal circumstances deliver you a 15-20 K replacement bill. No one is saving money by driving an electric car.
Update on this. Replacing the engine in my 1500 RAM ended up costing more than I thought it would. It just starts once the work starts. You trashed your old engine, so you have metal shavings all over the place. Do you clean out the old intake manifold, hoping you get it all, or just replace the damned thing for another 500 bones? I mean, when you are already a few grand deep...you go for the new part. One thing after another like this, and the desire to make sure it is all done RIGHT ticks up the expenditure. So I ended up spending 5 grand for the labor and all of the new ancillary parts. The engine itself remained at the 4 grand that I paid for it. Out the door, I ended up going through 9 grand, half of which I had in cash reserves, the other half Navy Federal paid for by means of me using the credit card. I'll pay it off over the next 6 months. But STILL...a brand spanking new 5.7 Hemi, with a 5 year unlimited mileage warranty...making my truck brand new for all intents and purposes in the one area I cannot fix myself...instead of paying 100 grand for a like level in a new truck...I see as a $90,000 savings. And STILL...it cost less than a new battery in a prius.
Friends of ours bought a new Toyota truck to tow their horse trailer, and the dealership guaranteed it would be able to tow their trailer. They wait a couple of months for the 5th wheel hitch, when they hooked up the trailer the lights on the trailer won't work. Turns out the small gauge wire on the truck won't handle the lights on an older trailer. Dealership agreed to replace all lights on the trailer with LED lights so it would work.
This can be an issue using LED lights on trailers. Some towcars have real issue with the lack of resistance on the LEDs. They need a small resistor fitted in the circuit.
Consumers can either pay higher car insurance or higher taxes to fix the roads. Remember when they took freon out of fridges, the new ones didn't last near as long and the repair costs were huge.
Great video. I think that this is a twofold problem. One problem is the immaturity of EV design and experience. This leads to the situation described in the video, where the battery design is complex and the integration of the battery in the vehicle is more so. Time and experience will make this better. A big step forward would be to introduce some standardization on packaging limits and compatibility. However, as EV technology matures this sort of thing should get better. The other side of the coin is more problematic. New cars can and will hack into your phone and steal your data, soon for sale by the car company. Or for reporting to the authorities, at the car company's discretion. Self-repossesion or at least immobilization is at hand. Your driving behavior will be monitored and if the algorithms determine that this behavior is inappropriate you will be shut down or even reported. We are very close to a point where buying a car only gives you the ability to operate it, and then only within predetermined parameters. This all adds up to a particularly odious example of technological overreach into our personal lives, and I, for one, will have no part of it. With rare exceptions, governments of all types will abuse their ability to interfere in the lives of their citizens. This has been made much worse by the private sector's monetizing our data. In my opinion some regulations with teeth need to be emplaced to curb this tendancy, ideally a constitutional amendment. I try hard not to be paranoid, but the more I find out about how data is collected and used the more it upsets me. George Orwell was right, he was just about 40 years too early with 1984 as his book's title.
@@UncleTonysGarageExcellent. Another channel (Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles) did a video where Greg read out some dreadful sections from a 2024 Mustang Owner's Manual. Very disturbing; Ford actually states that they intend to hack into your phone, and that by buying the car you give implied consent! Please help to get the word out about this sort of thing. Thanks in advance.
I'm in Canada and saw that video a few days ago and it blew my mind. For starters, Hyundai designed the vehicle with a thin, plastic, cover/shield/skid plate that is inadequate for it's purpose, which is to protect the battery. The manufacturer is well aware that a minor bump of the battery can compromise the battery's function. The dealer didn't even remove the skid plate to inspect the battery, before determining that the battery must be replaced. The vehicle is running just fine with no battery performance issues, but after the "bump", it could randomly combust at any time or during the charging process, which could burn the owners garage and house to the ground. If the owner had not contacted the dealer or his insurance, he could have sold the vehicle to an unsuspecting buyer and passed the problem onto the new buyer. A new buyer would not be aware that a minor scratch to the skid plate could be a very major issue. The insurance company has deemed the vehicle to be non-repairable, at that repair cost and the vehicle is now uninsurable. The vehicle was about $58 K (CND) when it was new and as a used vehicle it's worth about $40 K, if it is pristine condition, with zero issues. A $61 K replacement battery is absolutely insane. The bottom line is; (1) Nobody should ever buy a used electric vehicle. (2) We must assume, that any used electric vehicle is a catastrophic hazard. (3) Any and all used electric vehicles have ZERO value regardless of age. (4) All electric vehicles are one owner vehicles only. (5) When the initial vehicle owner needs, or wishes to change or upgrade to new vehicle, the existing vehicle must be disposed of by recycling and scrapping the vehicle. Does not sound like an environmentally friendly product to me.
Tony, we've been trying to make people aware of the issues with EV's since the government announced that they were going to ban production (and in some cases refuse to register existing) of ICE vehicles. We're called Boomers (which I am not) that don't want to get rid of buggy whips. We don't need a class action lawsuit. This is on our Government, and the stubborn people that bought into this grift, and bought them anyway.
Exactly not to mention that a lot of us can't even afford a new vehicle. But that's their game. Refuse to register our cars, then we can't go to work then lose everything we got. But that's what Klaus Schwab wants you'll own nothing and be happy and you will eat zee bugs It's all about Government control and wait till 2026 ever new car has to have a kill switch installed. They say it's to stop DUI's thieves and car jackings. Yeah right it so when the government sees something you posted on social media they don't like, then they will cut your car off.
Tony think about this one, the car is a couple of years old and a wheel bearing gives out, now you have the control arm may be damaged, so the bottom drags. Have seen it numerous times, so these EV's are likely to become more problems than they are worth, literally.
Channels like this have inspired me to keep an older car as a daily and actually do some of the easier maintenance for myself. I just replaced the exhaust on my f-150 yesterday.
When I was 18-19 I had a 77 Camero with a 350-350. One night going a little fast went over a set of train tracks that were basically a jump ramp got airborne and when I landed crushed my brand new duel exhaust system. Even flattened out the headers. Pulled over checked out the damage then rolled a bone and went on my way.
Don’t forget the dealer didn’t even remove the battery cover to check before condemning it and voided the guys warranty so the car became instantly worthless.
You have to wonder about the tepid engineering in the vehicle also. I've bottomed out my suspension in a number of cars, and it's always been the suspension that's bottomed out onto the bump stops - _not_ the vehicle body/frame bottoming out onto the road surface.
I've had some cars where bump stops weren't even necessary, at least on the front. For example my 1979 Subaru DL daily driver. The front suspension is designed with a single A arm per side. The knuckles are attached to the A arm on the bottom with a ball joint. The strut is attached to the top of the knuckle and steering the car turns the entire strut. Besides the strut with the coil spring on it the A arm is attached to a torsion bar which limits the travel to less than the maximum travel of the strut. Essentially it is impossible to bottom out the front suspension. And this car has nearly a foot of ground clearance. In the rear it has swing arms with torsion bars. It has bump stops but they are way up inside the wheel wells. The car can bottom out so hard that the wheel goes nearly all the way into the top of the wheel well and it won't damage anything because of how much suspension travel there is. I've hit an unexpected speed bump going over 50 mph and it didn't even dent anything. Kind of crazy that one of the cheapest cars of 1979 was designed this way but a $80,000 car today isn't.
On a flat road, yeah you are right. But over speed bumps and railroads and things like that its easy to scrape. A few years ago i nearly got stuck with a 95 accord getting out of a hôtel underground parking lot , the "hump" was so bad and the car was too low. Also, winter, i "beached" a Volvo v50 AWD on Ice blobs created by the snow removal Crew on the Side of my street. All 4 wheels were off the Ground.... I had backed Up in somewhat thick snow but underneath was icy mounts of packed snow. I had to be Towed out of that mess.
I’m still mad they replaced hand winding watches with battery run ones that all require different size batteries that cost money. I have two good ones in my drawer now because I can’t get the backs off and have to bring it to the jeweler. Besides that, I don’t like the idea of having a battery on my body all the time. Or a gigantic battery pack under my seat in the car.
Here's a thought. Was the forward mount for the plastic cover pushed back causing the cover to buckle creating the 15mm difference? No issue with the battery at all?
I'm thinking they got underneath and saw the battery cover was distorted. They probably didn't even bother to remove the cover. Honestly with as flaky as these LiPo batteries, or whatever they are, I'd be scared to death of it even if a "professional" declared it OK. That battery could be visibly perfect but something inside could have gotten knocked around and you'd never know. Maybe you'd drive it for years with no problem. Maybe it would catch fire the next month. It's a liability and it could cut into profits so better off to junk it. Things the way they are though, and dealerships doing what dealerships do, I could see swapping the battery cover, re-title it and sell it used, probably still make a profit. Yes, it's been totaled but I can see a dealer pulling some shit.
@@heliarche It really should be possible to drop the battery and rebuild it: for about the same cost as an engine rebuild. During that process every part can be examined and replaced if damaged.
@@jamesphillips2285 The way things are going, I wouldn't trust anyone to do it. Noone gives a damn, noone knows. They'd certainly say they did it but you wouldn't know unless you were hovering over their shoulders watching and most shops won't let you back in the service area because of "insurance".
Whenever airbags deploy, the HV battery permanently disables itself and needs to be replaced. An HV battery is about $68,000 (USA) for the company I work for. European manufacturer. Will insurance companies continue to insure electric vehicles? They seem like they're a net loss for all parties. Contrast that to the car I drive: a 1998 Corolla that has 237,000 miles on it and still drives great. I paid $2500 for it more than a decade ago.
I suspect ICE resale prices are going to be climbing steadily - Who’d buy a used EV, with no idea when you’ll get hit with a battery replacement? (Never mind the silly repair places for taillights, body panels, etc.)
They refused to remove the cover to even see if the batt was actually impacted or not ! and refused to involve Corp. + the insurance raised his rate by 50 Fing % for a min. of 10 ! yrs no matter what he ends up driving 🤯 is disgruntled customers w/ guns the way of the future 😒😬😥
Tony, maybe you have already talked about this in previous videos, but what alot of people dont know or dont talk about with the EVs, is the dark side behind the mining and material sourcing for these EV batteries. The Cobalt used in EV batteries is sourced largely through means of forced labor, also known as slavery, in the Congo mines that are owned by China. These mines are supposed to be mines where heavy equipment is used and not just humans using cavemen tools, instead, its entirely cavemen tools, with men, women and many children being forced to mine the materials with bare hands. The Lithium that is also being used in batteries, that is supposed to be the more "Ethical" sourced material, is well, by no surprise, much of the same as Cobalt. We have Trillions of dollars worth of Lithium deposits here in the US, but mine miniscule amounts of it because the tree huggers dont want to mine here for fear of, you guessed it, pollution of the areas around the mining. Not surprisingly, mining these precious materials, creates a massive amount of pollution. The process to mine Lithium uses large amounts of water, and Lithium is located typically in areas, like deserts, with little to no water. So not only do you need to get the water there, you also need to use fuel for all of the equipment, and then moving the Lithium to the production plants! One country that has huge amounts of Lithium, and not surprisingly, close ties with China, is Afghanistan, which is a country led and controlled by terrorists that we were at war with for 20 years, and typically, are not environmentally concerned people. This is a very dark secret that is kept from the public eye, you have to dig for this info. People are buying these cars because they believe the lies of the mass media that they are going to save the world, and have no impact on the environment. Also, I believe last I looked, only about 5% of EV batteries are recycled. The other 95%, end up in mass scrap yards.
The hell of it is that if he had just not worried about the problem, there never would have been a problem. And it's absurd that the entire car battery was condemned simply because a protective cover that did its job, was damaged.
Yes, it looked just like a superficial scuff to me. Of course, I can only judge by what I see and hear on this video (and others relating to the case). If the protection guard was removed and the battery pack inspected, then an accurate assessment could be done. Maybe they did that, but I'll never know.
Insurance for these new cars should be proportionally higher. But, in this situation I think the dealership also was too quick to condemn the car for the battery. They never consulted with the manufacturer except to have the warranty voided for that scrape, they told the owner the battery was compromised and could burst into flames at any time. The dealer service department never attempted to remove that skid plate and inspect it. I think they were thinking the job was an easy sale to the insurance company then the car ended up getting written off.
Actually, it is more or less the standard these days, and there are other stories on damaged batteries that people just don't see in the news. In reality, they simply don't have the resources to properly examine these vehicles. Basically, any dealer, any manufacturer, any car insurance company will just call it a loss for even the slightest impact to the battery assembly because there isn't much ability to determine the integrity of the battery. The likelihood of damage from minor impacts could be very slim, but there's no way of knowing, and there are too many variables. There is no company that wants to sign away a variable safety risk.
I bought a 75 Plymouth valiant with the Iconic slant 6 1bbl. It's 48 years olds and hope it will last another 50 years, wich will probably ! Hahahahaha!
The fact I had to go to 4 different places to buy a spark plug locally to complete the oil change & tune-up for my gas generator leads me to think there is a larger push to phase out our internal combustion machines. I did find it eventually at an independent small engine repair shop. I should have went there first, we need to support these local old school shops. Oh the Spark plug I needed? An NGK BPR4ES spark plug for my Yamaha engine equipped Rigid 6800W (8500W Peak) Generator.
Same happening to me locally - most small engine repair places have already closed, and the big box stores are transitioning to all-electric equipment. I've gotten 75% off on a bunch of Echo tune-up kits for my blowers, trimmers, and chainsaws since they are no longer carrying those parts at the big orange box store. My advice? Buy quality parts online while you can still get them and stock up! Spark plugs are non-perishable and will still be good (and probably more valuable) 20 years from now!
@@thomasward4505 Amazon or Rockauto. Used Amazon for a 'split clamp' to repair Nissan. Meineke Muffler wanted $425+tax. Less than $30 & a guy did a vid of his repair. Watched his vid & got inspired. And that's how to save $390. : ) Also I had to cut some exhaust pipe metal. But it worked.
@@redmondjp I agree. I did my snowblower oil change and tune-up side-by-side my generator. My Snowblower is a 30 year old 1993 HS624 I bought New in 1994. The plug is made by NGK for Honda and it's # is BPR5ES (one digit different than the Yamaha engine). Home Depot, Lowes, and Advance Auto all had that spark plug, so I bought an extra one to have a spare while I was shopping for the BPR4ES plug. I'm certaining going to stock up and order some extra plugs online now for my generator, just as I already do for my Vintage Mopars with the oil filters and spark plugs for them
Come on TONY - you have been guilty of driving a hybrid energy vehicle for decades. Look under the bonnet - what do you see - a petrol engine and a 12V battery - please stop the hypocrisy. HA- CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
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And once again you are guilty of lumping all EV and the companies that make them together as if by magic. Why not educate yourself before you rant your universal salad of garbage.
This is just your way of lighting off the lunacy of your viewers keeping them as dumb as you insist on being yourself.
Not all EV's are the same. There is one clear leader in this space. They are not having the issues those playing catch up are. Tesla is the only company who are doing it correctly.
No question that Tesla is the leader in this field, BUT, the undercarriage battery pack used by them is liable to the same exact sort of damage. The difference between Tesla had Hyundai is that Tesla does not have to import their batteries from Korea on a case by case basis, and so a Tesla is not typically written off by the insurance company when this sort of damage occurs.
BUT, here is where you are missing the point.
This Hyundai was deemed unrepairable because of damage to the battery housing. Damage that could happen to any similar EV.
It was considered too much of a liability by the dealer and the insurance company because the battery, even though it functioned as it should, COULD NO LONGER BE TRUSTED, and is now a candidate for catastrophic failure. This is the point brought up directly by the dealer, the insurance company and Hyundai itself.
NOW WHAT DOES THIS TELL YOU???
It means that there are countless EV's out on the road every day encountering typical road hazards, having their batteries dented and disturbed, and the drivers of these cars are not only oblivious to the damage but also oblivious to the potential consequences.
Would you put your kids in an electric car KNOWING that its battery was compromised and is now capable of spontaneous combustion? OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T
And that is the point. With an EV, what you don't know can incinerate you. That INCLUDES TESLA.
Lol except for the people getting locked out of their Teslas until they buy a new 26k dollar battery after only a few years ....
Tell that to the kids in the mine!
What an ignorant comment from an ignorant fool. I guess Teslas are exempt from under carriage / battery compartment damage
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HA HA
When someone says they want to replace internal combustion vehicles with electric vehicles, what they're really saying is : "We want to take your cars from you...." (and your Freedom, and your independence).
China does
a Electric car is a great idea but they want to power the grid with solar and windmills ... ensuring all kinds of failure ...think of blackouts and you freezer spoiling
It's actually worse than that. It's that the battery is now a huge liability for Hyundai, for the dealership, for the insurance company and most of all, for the owner. This is going to happen every single time a battery has an incident. It simply costs too much money to remove it from the vehicle, open it and test every cell in the battery. Replacement is the ONLY option. They are simply too expensive.
Bingo
Car dependency is the opposite of freedom and independence. It sucks money out of you constantly.
Building cities for cars only means you’re stuck inside a jail, especially for children. You can’t play outside on the streets, you can’t walk to the shops, you can’t meet up with your friends outside.
You MUST sponsor the car and oil industry and of course pay your dues to the insurance company. Then you have to pay taxes to pay for all the infrastructure AND all the subsidies to the oil industry. The NEED to use cars IS NOT freedom.
I’m lucky enough to live in a country side small city where I can walk to anything I need so I don’t NEED a car. Therefore I can have the financial FREEDOM to do what the heck I want AND drive whatever I want for HOBBY.
No traffic jams, no boring commutes, no stress, just drive when I want what I want, which is not nearly as much as the shackled people in suburbia who are 100% slaves to the car industry.
Project for Uncle Tony; Take a EV with a failed battery and convert it to run with a slant six?
YESSS
Forget electric Jesus ….
I’m all for the leaning tower of POWER !!!!
Or....REALLY get views, stay away from the wet fart sound hillbilly 2JZ, and small tire that thing w/a tube chassis and a 540 Chrysler. NOW you got some views!
🛎 🛎 🛎 We got a WINNER here! Slant Six FTW!!! 🏆
Heckin' yeah. If I need to replace a vehicle I have now, I'll be looking for older, not newer. Ideal would be with the slant 6.
Yes! That would be great!
Electric cars are going to be like our cell phones. Where you can't replace the battery. And one update away from being outdated.
We're almost there. Tesla has announced future models will be single-piece chassis to reduce manufacturing, but this means collision repairs will be almost impossible. Even the current models are one fender-bender away from a $10K claim on your auto policy, or with battery damage a total-out and disposal of the car.
Hmm you're probably right. There was a time when cell phones could get a new battery, then they sealed it up and we had to buy a new phone. The battery is like 50% of the car's value. When it comes time to replace, a not insignificant percentage of people would just scrap the car.
your problem
I work at a Nissan dealer the ammount of personal safety gear required, baracades arround the car on a lift when the service techs work on an EV battery is kinda frightening to see.....it looks like a nuclear sub being worked on or something
That must be cheap easy and convenient to do that kind of work. Let's make that the future.
When one catches fire it is a full on hazmat situation. They have a special rubber sheet they cover the car with, many men in hazmat suits, if water is used to put out the fire it is collected and treated as a hazardous substance
I worked on nuclear subs, they are much easier to work on than an ev. Aside from RadCon procedures they are just like any other industrial job.
Tony , bottom line is: the government wants to be in control or you and your vehicle. Not to mention those replacement battery profits go to China or wherever they are made.
Bingo PAL
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And sleepy Joe is the head of a crime family who are on the Chinese Communist party's payroll.
Short range and can be remotely disabled. Perfect to keep you in check in and in your sector/15min city.
Ha ha like the auto companies have your interest at heart? It’s not the government.
@@georgeburns7251 The auto companies want to sell their product. The government wants control.
“People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people.”― Alan Moore
Governments are. That's why they come up with so much onerous legislation. They are deathly afraid of a well-armed public for obvious reasons.
Correct!, and they will find out in November!
I remember watching Rich rebuilds, and he had a Tesla that was used. He calls the dealership up and he tries to get a replacement cap for one of the lug nuts. They told him that they can't sell him anything for that car. It was ridiculous.... but it did show what's going on out there in the EV world....
Once saw a guy work on a dodge caliber hit in the headlight area , the wire harness was crushed and harness plugs missing , called to get repair wiring or harness , found out no parts available , insurance had to purchase complete wire harness , headlight to tail light , fuse boxes and some under dash harness that was all part of harness , TIMES HAVE CHANGED , like were in the twilight zone , I was shocked
I think component level repair should be mandated to be available for everything. No one should be forced to buy an entire assembly just to replace one part in it.
This is another reason to keep driving my 2002 Lincoln Town Car that has been my daily driver for more than 16 years. 😊😊
Got one 2003
@ josephmclennan1229-- Hang on to your 2003 Town Car. These were great cars, and if given proper routine maintenance, they can last a very long time. It's too bad that Lincoln stopped making the Town Car after the 2011 model year, as well as other "panther platform" cars.
used to deal parts to fleet costumers. Seen many TC limos w/ 500k miles. Great machines
I want a town car or crown Vic to put a 5 speed in, that would be so fun
@Combat_wombat- There's a channel around here for that and a guy that makes and sells the 3rd pedal bracket. Would love to swap my Grand Marquis.
The problem is that EV batteries aren't one solid hunk of "battery" like a standard car lead acid battery. Think of it like a battery pack with 1000 AA installed. Then think if one bumps loose and makes a short the whole thing can burn down faster than a Pinto in a demolition derby. Speaking of which more people complained, freaked out, and panicked over the Ford Pinto "blowing up" vs modern day EV buyers having their house burn down over charging their car over night.
Ralph Nader is almost completely responsible for ruining cars. His 1965 book "unsafe at any speed" led to the creation of the DOT and NHTSA ultimately ensuring that cars would be bloated down and ruined in every way possible from the styling to the power to the cost. The pinto was a low hanging fruit and the ethics around it were shakey so it always gets the heat. But no one is willing to admit that EVERY compact car from that point back had big cube shaped gas tanks right between the bumper and rear axle that could rupture and ignite in certain conditions in a collision. The lesson is: No one gave a shit before the media made a big deal about it.
The frustrating thing to me is that it doesn't need to be this way. On the lithium systems I work on the individual cells are designed to be easily replaced. The cells are not spot welded together. The built in battery diagnostics will even tell you exactly what cell is having problems.
I would drive a FORD pinto any day over a EV Piece of crap..
With a smile on my face.
@@allurared9029 It was less about where the tank was and more that Ford failed to engineer in anything to protect it, so the rear bumper mount would get pushed right through it. Just another example of Ford cutting corners back in the day. I used to tell people to get a GM, but they've been having quality and design issues now too, so now I can only recommend old cars.
@@BurnerJones Exactly what I've been saying since the first modern EV battery I saw. They're making them non-repairable on purpose.
One positive thing about this new EV culture is watching people like Rich Rebuilds who are giving the finger to the companies like Tesla and doing their own repairs "off grid" so to speak. I hope there will be a whole generation of EV hackers who will bypass all the dealer lock outs and come up with cheap fixes.
No doubt man, Rich is good people thats a great channel!
@@MrTheHillfolkhe does good stuff for sure, but at the same time the man himself is kind of an immature man child
I'll stick with my horse and buggy. A bale of hay and a bucket of water is all I need to keep my vehicle going.
@@clembob8004 And you can breed more vehicles for free. No corporations or tax man involved. The Amish arent completely silly.
@@clembob8004EVs and ICE vehicles were on the market at the same time, are you sure you want to be saddled with old outdated tech like electric cars gramps?
When I was in school (1980s) I had a Jr High science teacher telling us about how electric cars were going to be a bargain alternative to crappy little econoboxes of the time.. I actually got my parents on the waiting list to buy an EV1 (they didnt, we could not afford it). I spent my early teen years learning about capacitors and nickel batteries. Ford and Chevrolet both had EVs, the S10 and the ford escort built by contract to sell to government agencies. 100 mile range 110v plug in EVs were going to be the future.... Then the Activists arrived. Government starts giving people $6000 tax incentives to buy golf carts.. They shut down all the small EV production and force manufacturers to build bigger vehicles with larger and larger ranges. The USED EV market is overrun by scammers and con artists because used EVs are worthless.
I have been burned by gas cars so many times that im ready to take a chance on ev's. Gas cars are only 28 percent efficient. DUH!!! thats ok for a toy.....
Dealers make so much money on repairs of late model cars. They don't want EVs. Only enough to take in the taxpayer checks from the government. Look at the billions Tesla received but many people can't afford to fix them such as the battery replacement.
The real scammers are the oil companies that lobbied for the end of the California zero emission mandate.
GM never sold any EV-1 cars. They were all leased, and then crushed when the [Zero emission] mandate was defeated.
They sold the NiMH battery patents to an oil company that was bought out by Chevron.
Said oil company then sued Panasonic for supplying batteries for Toyota's RAV4 EV.
Toyota, having been burned by patents, then focused research on hydrogen cars instead.
Tesla building their cars with hundreds of lithium-ion 18650 batteries was actually a patent work-around. It was a volatile battery chemistry/form-factor commonly used in laptops at the time. This meant that Tesla's battery supplier could not be sued for producing the commodity cells.
New EV's are worthless and terrible for the planet.
Its bad to use air conditioning.... unless it the air conditioning in a tesla.
When an EV 'transitions' to a SCV (Spontaneous Combustion Vehicle), who are you to judge?
SCV is just part of the built in recycle program of course you pay extra for that feature. and it can not be removed.
One can't help but wonder whether minor bumps to the battery pack are the cause of so many EV fires happening everyday.
we agree@@chrisgraham2904 in the 70's "new and improved" thin film capacitors would be shorted if a finger nail dented the otter wrap and why would E V batteries be less prone to damage than lead acid type.
What are the environmental impacts of such a premature battery replacement?
Huge. Do the math. Plus Kia or hyundia won't repair it. They designed it so it can't be repaired. "You will own nothing and be happy"
Very true. and nobody talks about that at all......they shove that under the table and worry about it later.😮
I get that you don't want your channel to just be videos like these but this stuff is important to educate people on this lunacy. We need as many examples of these types of issues because some people will just wave it off as "oh but doesn't happen that often" but if we have fifty different stories we can point to it will convince people that it's a major problem.
Need to start comparing EV's to the Ford Pinto. How many Pinto's actually blew up vs how many houses burned down from charging an EV? See someone with a Tesla or other EV, just tell'em "Nice Pinto you got there".
And everyone else is paying for it through higher insurance premiums
@Dirk_McGurkelstein there have been more fire deaths in EVs than the Pinto
Im definitely stealing your idea though!
If you only reported positive, upbeat technology stories, we might hardly ever see you!
@@Dherkin_McGhurken I once owned a Pinto - A nice, lemon-yellow '77 Pony-MPG hatchback, with the factory gas-tank protection package. Wish I had it now!
A great example of EV lunacy…great content!
Imagine you are driving your brand new electric vehicle hit a squirrel and the car is total, the squirrel walked away with minor injuries.
Be kind to animals. The squirrel was just after the loose nut behind the wheel.
The defect between the seat and steering wheel causing the problem
Exactly😂
Where I live it's no fault insurance so you can't sue the squirrel
@@philmansfield8825 that is the way it is in Florida.
Connecticut installs potholes to punish those who travel there.
Saving the the world by driving a coal powered car that is half as efficient as a gas powered car all the while sitting on a 1000lb plus incendiary device that when it does burst into flames is an environmental catastrophe. Brilliant way to go tree huggers.
Proud Boomer here.
Been restoring and customizing vehicles for over 35 years. Easily have owned over 50 in my lifetime.
Only about 10 being newer than from the 80’s.
As owner of a body shop. Ive seen a few EV’s come in my shop. Never, ever, will I remotely consider buying one. Give me an ICE vehicle any day!
In East Canada were I live, you hit a pot hole, a firewood block, a ice block fallen from big trucks in winter or a moose every 10 miles. There will be more EV junkyards then mooses soon.
no junkyard could afford insurance to hold & stack busted/shorted old EVs.
@@timewa851 I've actually noticed the local pick-n-pull has started selling used ev batteries, they are pre-pulled and stacked by the checkout counter.
@@BurnerJones
I've seen junkyards selling hybrid battery packs too, likely for a Prius. With the batteries removed, the car carcass can be stacked in the lot for picking the same as any other car.
That's true in any rural area ... well except for the moose. Ice, rocks, hunks of pavement out of a pothole, ruts in a dirt road are everywhere. I don't think I have ever owned a car I didn't at one time take onto a dirt road... even when I lived in a city.
Russians are forced to buy Chinese EVs as crazy now...
$60,000 new price for an Ev
$61,000 to replace the battery for suspect road hazard damage
Can anyone say government subsidies?
We're basically at w@r right now, in just about every way except the standard aspect; culturally, spiritually, everything. There's been a "w@r on the car" since the early '70s, under the guise of then fuel efficiency and safety. Now it's ultimate and obvious goal is to rid the world of public vehicle ownership, completely. We're basically the resistance fighters.
It's not just cars, it's the complete way of life we've know for the past 100 years
@@Rational_thinker_212 absolutely.
Who in their right mind would even consider buying an electric vehicle second hand, Bad enough to worry about the battery craping out but to also worry if a previous owner had already done damage that they didn't want to deal with and just pass it along..
I guarantee if that dealer took his ioniq on a trade with that damage they’d just look the other way and sell it. Then the next poor bastard owner comes in for work “oh by the way your battery warranty is void”
Its no different than buying a used ICE with no warranty, My cordless drill batteries are 15 years old and still work.
@@tabbott429
Because you infrequently use them. 👏
Anybody who uses cordless tools on a daily basis knows they don't last anywhere near that long, much simpler technology in the cordless tool batteries too.
@@tabbott429 yeah but cordless batteries a couple hundred bucks not tens of thousands
@@aidenschvatkok5732 Not to mention, if the cordless battery fails, it doesn't usually burn down the neighborhood...
Bravo Uncle Tony! I'll stay with my slant 6! Good job. I think you express all your viewers feelings
Before you buy an EV, you might want to spend money on an extended visit with a SHRINK to find out what's wrong with you. I'll keep my Tundra with 5.7 thank you.
Fabulous
They truly achieved their dream. A 100% failure rate guarantee for every vehicle produced and you cant resell them, no one wants a used ev pawned onto them. Trade in gets you next to nothing
Example. The first chevy volts. You can get one cheap now but since the battery is discontinued theres a 300-400% mark up. I think the last one I read about was 30k$ for the battery alone
Tony , bottom line is: the government wants to be in control or you and your vehicle.
Can't drive to a peaceful protest if your grid tethered car receives a certain signal....
Yeah, and your fetus if you are a woman in Texas.
Governments do not like a popluce able to freely move.
Not only do people not know the high likelihood of their vehicle being scrapped for minimal damage, but many still parrot the BS about them never needing servicing, not using lubricants or coolant. Like that will ever be a thing. I expect to see their vehicles also on the junk pile in the near future.
It’s unbelievable that people don’t understand what maintenance is needed on their EV nor that their cars have fluids and oils as well…
The idea of EV’s not needing maintenance is true, but it’s not exactly what you think: EV’s are designed in such a way that all their required maintenance, can only be done by dealerships and manufacturers. No more can owners do repair work on their own vehicles- so in a way it’s true, owners never need to maintain their own vehicles because they can’t.
The only marks on the bottom of our dart is from my wife.... we were on the way home from an amusement park and she wanted to drive her new car. Do she did and I fell asleep while we drove over the mountains....well I woke up with nothing but big oak and pine trees in front of us. Just Comin out of the blackness of night and into the headlights. At the same time that I was realizing that I’m not touching my seat. And because of my recklessness of my youth, I immediately understood that the car was not touching ground. Worse yet, The front and kept dropping further and further.(all while also seeing the trees coming) so I instantly went to “omg we are launching off the top of one the the larger mountains of the Appalachians!”
Finally I see dirt come up into vision of the headlights, and we hit the skid sideways to a stop... when I looked up I saw a permanent roadblock and I realized that that was one of the entrance roadways to Centralia Pennsylvania (the silent hill place)
Apparently she followed the gps, and for god knows what reason it took her there. And apparently they had ripped up the old road there. So in case you ever wondered if a dart flies. Yes, yes they do. And with a nice shallow dive at first. And they sail pretty straight without much dive to either side.
We sent that thing like the griswalds sent the truckster station wagon.
My best guess was a 6 foot drop if not more. And At least 30 feet coverd before the wheels touched ground again. (And pretty much flat, when we landed)
Edit: did I mention that she decided that I pretty much drive us everywhere ever since.
Except when she bought the Durango that I said she will wreck....less than a month later. I come home with the dart. To see her Durango wrecked INTO MY MOTHERS Ranger. (That we’ve had for 20yrs)
Ranger got a new taillight, and a small dent.
Durango got a grill, bumper, fender, inner splashguard, fender flair, tire, and wheel. And had to be towed away...
Magnum is a charger wagon. Durango is a minivan magnum. All same same. And a Durango is only as tough as a charger at the end of the day.
The dart is so thin, that a single finger can make the whole rear quarter wrinkle and make pop sounds. Hell, onetime some f-ing moron kicked the fender but with it being so thin, it fixed itself.
Because he heat of the engine bay is so hot with the under tray, the plastic covers, and the 210deg thermostat. It gets really hot to the touch of the hood. So it popped the dent out 😮.
You must have been visiting Knoebels.
I have friends with an Ionic, I warned them that in case of battery failure, the windows and doors won't open. They didn't care, they were in love with technology.
It's communism, disguised as technology!😊
EV Owners must carry a glass breaker in their glo BFF ebox
@@markmiller8903do they make those for bulletproof glass lol someone thought it was a good idea to do that on a certain car you see
Yeah get them a window breaker for Christmas 😂
BS their just like every other modern car. do your research you parrot.
Overhead consol , cup holders Galore? " it's a truck" all you should need is a passenger to " HOLD MY BEER"!
Saw where list on a new
F150 single cab strippy
Rear wheel drive is just under
$50K 🤷🏿♂️ 🤡🤡🌎. 😩🥵🤮
@@rickreese5794 now that's a real truck.
Just think about how many speedbumps there are in this country. Every one of them could potentially total a EV . How many EV have they already totaled?
And what do they do with the old battery???
Throw in the Ozean probably
I heard this story already, and saw the pictures. The damage was absolutely minor on the outside.. just a couple scratches.
What are the odds that damage happened before he bought the car? Maybe while unloading from the trailer for delivery or the dealer hitting it wrong with lift?
Keep in mind, the car ran fine, it had low miles, and he would have never known if that damage was there before he bought it.
Not to mention, the cost of that battery is absolutely ridiculous.
As the electric fleet grows by force and subsidies, I wonder how many people will have to be fried in horrifically uncontrollable electric fires before they admit defeat?
If you're going to have that opinion, you also need to understand how many people have been killed by ICE vehicle design. The Pinto fire issue alone killed 27 people in 7 years.
@@WildcatWarrior15 You need to look a little deeper my friend, the pinto fire issue was debunked almost immediately at the time.
@@WildcatWarrior15 We never had any of these problems with the good old horse and buggy.
@@WildcatWarrior15 Pinto did not spontaneously combust in your garage.
@@clembob8004 The government did not ban horse buggy or force people to buy ICE cars. ICE technology in cars won because it was objectively superior to any other. To this day, they are still superior at meeting people's needs.
Don't worry the insurance companies are passing the costs right on to us with increased premiums. Mine just went up $200/yr. I know everyone else's has as well.
I've been watching all the videos on this channel. This is one of kind, UTG is the best 💪🏻. Greetings from Brazil 🇧🇷
These videos make me feel good about restoring and keeping my 90’s cars and classic Impala
They soon will bann this
Common sense is a curse uncle T. Unfortunately, you've been blessed with the ability to decipher the lunacy... but welcome to our small but futile club. We love the vids keep them coming
I just bought a 4.6L 2V 2009 Town Car with 22,000 miles in near mint condition for $8000!
This makes perfect sense. The problem is the battery is extremely dangerous when damaged. It doesn't matter that he drove it to the dealership. That battery is now a huge liability. That battery if is not removed, opened and thoroughly inspected could be an explosion or fire just waiting to happen. The dealership MUST tell you it needs replacing. If they say "hey, no big deal" and this thing catches fire and kills 3 children in their bedrooms, this is not going to go well for the mechanic who OK'ed it or the dealership he worked in. Same for the insurance adjuster.
It sounds like there isn't enough protection on this car. That should be on Hyundai to pay for that.
How does it make sense to cost more than the car itself to have it replaced though? Or not having a replacement battery in stock at a dealership somewhere? Use your brain 😂 I know it's hard for some people, but you can do it if you try
Sure, you're right. But doesn't that just prove the technology isn't there to be anything more than a small niche?
Keep in mind that the battery was not damaged. Only the battery protective cover was damaged. I have seen photos of the scrape marks. The dealer did not want to assume any responsibility for the repair, and as such, they deemed that the car needs a new battery.
Biggest problem seems to be that once a battery explodes, it doesn't end there. They seem to explode multiple times and are very hard for fire fighters to cool down.
I live in the mountains of Colorado. Rocks fall on roads. I have seen a handful of rock impacts that make me shudder and look for oil on the road. The two times im referring to was a Chevy suburban, the other a motorcycle. Both kept driving, dont mind the little bit of poo in the pants. If an EV had rolled up over those jagged rocks, they would have Ironiqly sarted a forest fire.
Keek those fire hazards within 6 minutes of a fire department?
I would bet that most EV buyers don't even see these things as automobiles. they see them as transportation devices and have no emotional attachment to them. What happens when your 60 inch flatscreen takes a dump? You sneak it out the dumpster at 2 am and go buy a new one.
Worked for a Hyundai dealer all last year… these Ionics typically loose 10-30% (from a fully charged battery) of their charge while sitting on the lot. So once a customer buys one they have to wait a day or so to take it home. Also the range decreases rapidly the moment you turn the a/c or heat on.
Also the charging takes alot longer when ambient air is cold, ie winter
Those are all valid points except for the AC part. I’ve owned a Honda Clarity PHEV for 5 years and can attest that in pure EV mode, AC usage causes minimal loss of range, but you are completely correct that any cabin heat destroys your range. I’ve seen 30 to 40% loss of range just by using the heater. And cold weather reduces range because the cold battery can’t hold as much charge. Fortunately, I’ve got a garage so my battery only gets to 50 F while it charges. If I had to let the car sit outside, I would never choose a PHEV or EV. FWIW, PHEVs are the way to go. Electric for the first 50 miles (35-40 in winter) and then ICE for long range trips with NO range anxiety. Don’t know why they aren’t made and marketed better.
Man, I love these videos. Good stuff Uncle Tony!
I'm old and just retired from g.m. Friday. The wait for a battery is unreal. The crate there shipped in and return procees is expensive along with the equipment to remove and install. And the reprogram process. It has to be done methodically or the dealership is 100 percent responsible for any failure. Keeping carburetor and point distriberators is the future. Or at least mine 😂
Thats because GM doesnt know what its doing and doesnt make its own stuff. All they do is marketing and promises that have failed miserably. The Bolt is a joke mediocre POS
Were you impacted by the strike?
Points FTW. Screw yo computers.
@@FuckGoogle502
Solid state electronic distributors are self-contained and don't require a computer.
@@RYTHMICRIOT yes.thats why I retired. There overpaid to represent the product.
A windshield for a Cybertruck is $2000.00 other Ev's are expensive too Ev's DO NOT MAKE SENSE
Automobiles didn't make sense either back in 1895.
@@clembob8004 Well, after a hundred + years, we barely perfected the gasoline engine. Now they want to essentially switch to EV's overnight. Maybe they don't, but the amount of hype and craziness associated with it sure seems like it.
@@clembob8004 This line of argumentation is so stupid, I wish people would stop doing it. We've mastered glassworking. It shouldn't cost $2000 for a sheet of windshield glass.
@@OtherDalfite I'm just stating facts. Autos were slammed and ridiculed just as much in 1895 as EVs are right now, and they were gawdammed expensive until Henry Ford started the whole concept of mass production.
The $2k for windshield glass is just corporate gouging. We live in a world full of thieves. That's pretty much what's wrong with everything.
@@tomc8157 Evolution is what it is. Maybe EVs won't take over, or maybe they will, I don't know. But one thing I do know is that EVs are in a really early stage of development.
Plus: Tax payers subsidize every EV to the tune of $9,000, plus power stations and the like, all subsidized by people (tax payers) who did not buy one.
We need guys like you to last for ever💓
We need to clone Uncle Tony.
We need to indoctrinate new generations with boomer hot rodding.
You gotta sit in that chair out in front of the shop and shake your fist and yell at everyone that goes by.
By my parents house where I grew up, there is a set railroad tracks. Worst crossing I've ever seen. The tracks are banked towards a hill that the road comes down and it makes this deceivingly smooth looking but uneven ramp going both ways. I've seen it take out a few oil pans and radiators over the years. One time it even flipped a box truck on its lid. It never totaled a car though unless they kept driving and seized the engine. I image these tracks will wreck havoc on newer cars that hit them too fast.
If you ever needed a spare tire there was probably a collection of them there 😂
There's an intersection down the street from me that has a huge hump in the middle of it. Hundreds of inch deep gouges in the pavement from cars bottoming out going over it. Things just waiting to total an EV.
These videos from you get views because you are talking about something everyone is talking about and you have a very intelligent view on current affairs. Thank you Uncle tony And kathy!
The buyers of these EV's can't be made aware of the risks because they wear an impenetrable suit of armour called "Stupidity" and that is what the manufacturers and dealers are banking on. It's practically a renewable resource for them. Infinite stupidity.
The CAD assisted design is always 'right', old engineers that know better have been chased out.. Due to this, and the need to speed projects so fast, Entropy has entered deep into the design systems and engineering lunacy is taking hold.
BINGO!! You hit the nail on the head!! I've seen it come about in the aerospace industry as well. Thank God I'm retired. Long gone are the men who designed masterpieces such as the Empire State Building, Bolder Dam, and Golden Gate Bridge using their brains and pencil on paper. We owe a lot to our forefathers!!
Ryan McBride (tank YTuber) went thru an AI generated photo of an alleged weapons cache. One gun had 2 barrels (plus other odd flaws). He explained how AI generated images of people sometimes have 6 fingers on their hands. During the building of the CAD designed Boeing 777, the fuel dump pipe in the wing was found to interfere with structure...the very thing CAD was used to prevent (proper fit of parts). But...AI will certainly get smarter.
CAD stands for Computer Assisted Design already…
@@obsoleteprofessor2034 You know nothing about CAD. It isn't AI generated 🤣. CAD is simply a tool that replaced drawing boards and makes the task of desgin more convenient. Like a type writer is better than pencil and paper or a word processor is better still.
@@ironcladranchandforge7292 Ridiculous comment. I'm in aerospace myself do you expect the industry to stand still? Do you expect engineers to use drawing boards and an abacus in 2023? CAD is just a tool nothing more, does a type writer create a novel? No it's just a tool more convenient than a pen. If the "great men" are all gone and the new engineers are so bad please explain why modern aircraft are more efficient, more reliable, longer ranged than ever before. Please explain how air crashes have dropped dramatically whilst flights have increased. Please explain how a modern airliner is better in every metric than a 707 shouldn't it be worse now that the "great men" have retired?
15 mm: That's about 5/8ths for us regular humans. God I love that quote!
I'll stick with a 1972 C-20, throw a distributer, carb, starter , fuel pump , under the seat and a few hand tools, you can fix it unless you throw a rod ....
The problem we still have is most ev buyers think that evs are gods gift and wont accept they are a flawed concept they want them to be the savior of the planet even if they cause the death of the planet
That was fantastic. We need to spread the word. The ironiq is a great name.
MGUY Australia is another EV info channel a bit like Geoff buys cars, but he gets to the point without rattling on like Geoff does.
MGUY Australia has a great EV channel, pointing out the many flaws of having a EV.
John Cadogan too.
Geoff see's it in the way a normal person does. He is trying to show sense to people in the UK as it is assumed by the government that EV's are ideal replacement to all internal combustion vehicles including hybrids. The other items he mentions about 15 minute cities etc, is a slight reality here in the UK as the London Mayor is doing his upmost to prevent those not well off from travelling and this idea is spreading across the UK as well as there are road monitoring cameras being placed everywhere.
My country has annual vehicle safety inspections and it has come to a surprise to few EV owners that any dent, no matter how minor, around battery box area is automatic fail. Of course fixing such dent at dealer costs an arm and a leg because they'll want to change whole battery just not to be reliable for damages if the thing goes ablaze few months after. I've heard people filling these dents with bondo and underbody sealant. Eventually manufacturers will encase the batteries better but it must suck to buy new 50k car and have it fail for something so stupid.
Evs suck
Small and fragile = less weight = sacrifice durability.
Love your work man!. My local mechanic also thinks like you. He's the guy you go to to get done what the big shops won't do. Things like repairing systems like AC rather than insisting to replace the whole system.
Also remember that if you financed that EV, and it gets totaled and sold off for well under your loan amount, you still owe the bank the difference. What is the Ionic chassis worth at auction without it's battery?
Never buy one. Lease it. It's like a very large cellphone. It's obsolete after a year when the next model comes out.
@@bmstylee Lease is the same. You would still owe money if the totaled value is less than your total lease payments. You would be on the hook for the difference.
About a $100.
@@ldnwholesale8552 That's cheap. Some people resort to sleeping in cars (because they can't afford normal accommodation), so that might be an option for some.
This story came out just days befor our clueless leader proudly reconfirmed his plan to ban the sale of new ICE cars in 2035 😒
I’ll bet someday if you trade in an EV you’ll pay hazardous disposal fees😮
Anyway, I think I pointed this out under one of your other videos. My mechanic is putting a new engine in my RAM 1500 right now. I bought the engine and had it shipped to him. Brand new, fresh remanufactured 5.7 Hemi Eagle. Cost of the engine: just under 4 grand. The labor and the rest will cost me another 2 to 3 grand, depending on how many peripherals need to be replaced. No way I end up paying more than 7 grand for the whole thing, and I get a fresh 5 year unlimited mileage warranty on this new engine.
Why did I do it? Well, because the same truck brand new goes for 100 grand these days, that's why. But forget about the cost of a new truck. Compare this complete engine replacement with the replacement cost of these batteries in these electric cars. The 60,000 Canadian Hyundai example is an extreme, but even normal circumstances deliver you a 15-20 K replacement bill. No one is saving money by driving an electric car.
Update on this.
Replacing the engine in my 1500 RAM ended up costing more than I thought it would. It just starts once the work starts. You trashed your old engine, so you have metal shavings all over the place. Do you clean out the old intake manifold, hoping you get it all, or just replace the damned thing for another 500 bones? I mean, when you are already a few grand deep...you go for the new part. One thing after another like this, and the desire to make sure it is all done RIGHT ticks up the expenditure.
So I ended up spending 5 grand for the labor and all of the new ancillary parts. The engine itself remained at the 4 grand that I paid for it. Out the door, I ended up going through 9 grand, half of which I had in cash reserves, the other half Navy Federal paid for by means of me using the credit card. I'll pay it off over the next 6 months.
But STILL...a brand spanking new 5.7 Hemi, with a 5 year unlimited mileage warranty...making my truck brand new for all intents and purposes in the one area I cannot fix myself...instead of paying 100 grand for a like level in a new truck...I see as a $90,000 savings.
And STILL...it cost less than a new battery in a prius.
absolutely right- its worth it 100% ;-)
Friends of ours bought a new Toyota truck to tow their horse trailer, and the dealership guaranteed it would be able to tow their trailer. They wait a couple of months for the 5th wheel hitch, when they hooked up the trailer the lights on the trailer won't work. Turns out the small gauge wire on the truck won't handle the lights on an older trailer. Dealership agreed to replace all lights on the trailer with LED lights so it would work.
....why Toyotas aren't what they used to be!
Good on the dealership, although it would have been better if they did their homework first,
This can be an issue using LED lights on trailers. Some towcars have real issue with the lack of resistance on the LEDs. They need a small resistor fitted in the circuit.
Consumers can either pay higher car insurance or higher taxes to fix the roads. Remember when they took freon out of fridges, the new ones didn't last near as long and the repair costs were huge.
Thank God for an Italian on a mission.
Damn public schools ....
Great video. I think that this is a twofold problem. One problem is the immaturity of EV design and experience. This leads to the situation described in the video, where the battery design is complex and the integration of the battery in the vehicle is more so. Time and experience will make this better. A big step forward would be to introduce some standardization on packaging limits and compatibility. However, as EV technology matures this sort of thing should get better.
The other side of the coin is more problematic. New cars can and will hack into your phone and steal your data, soon for sale by the car company. Or for reporting to the authorities, at the car company's discretion. Self-repossesion or at least immobilization is at hand. Your driving behavior will be monitored and if the algorithms determine that this behavior is inappropriate you will be shut down or even reported. We are very close to a point where buying a car only gives you the ability to operate it, and then only within predetermined parameters. This all adds up to a particularly odious example of technological overreach into our personal lives, and I, for one, will have no part of it.
With rare exceptions, governments of all types will abuse their ability to interfere in the lives of their citizens. This has been made much worse by the private sector's monetizing our data. In my opinion some regulations with teeth need to be emplaced to curb this tendancy, ideally a constitutional amendment.
I try hard not to be paranoid, but the more I find out about how data is collected and used the more it upsets me. George Orwell was right, he was just about 40 years too early with 1984 as his book's title.
Yup...we've got plenty to say about this, too. Give it a couple of weeks.
Exactly and people don't see it except for those of us who do see it.
@@UncleTonysGarageExcellent. Another channel (Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles) did a video where Greg read out some dreadful sections from a 2024 Mustang Owner's Manual. Very disturbing; Ford actually states that they intend to hack into your phone, and that by buying the car you give implied consent!
Please help to get the word out about this sort of thing. Thanks in advance.
My next car will have points and a condenser. Radio delete.
Bailey had an electric I think in 1880's very practical for a very few
I'm in Canada and saw that video a few days ago and it blew my mind. For starters, Hyundai designed the vehicle with a thin, plastic, cover/shield/skid plate that is inadequate for it's purpose, which is to protect the battery. The manufacturer is well aware that a minor bump of the battery can compromise the battery's function. The dealer didn't even remove the skid plate to inspect the battery, before determining that the battery must be replaced. The vehicle is running just fine with no battery performance issues, but after the "bump", it could randomly combust at any time or during the charging process, which could burn the owners garage and house to the ground. If the owner had not contacted the dealer or his insurance, he could have sold the vehicle to an unsuspecting buyer and passed the problem onto the new buyer. A new buyer would not be aware that a minor scratch to the skid plate could be a very major issue. The insurance company has deemed the vehicle to be non-repairable, at that repair cost and the vehicle is now uninsurable. The vehicle was about $58 K (CND) when it was new and as a used vehicle it's worth about $40 K, if it is pristine condition, with zero issues. A $61 K replacement battery is absolutely insane.
The bottom line is; (1) Nobody should ever buy a used electric vehicle. (2) We must assume, that any used electric vehicle is a catastrophic hazard. (3) Any and all used electric vehicles have ZERO value regardless of age. (4) All electric vehicles are one owner vehicles only. (5) When the initial vehicle owner needs, or wishes to change or upgrade to new vehicle, the existing vehicle must be disposed of by recycling and scrapping the vehicle. Does not sound like an environmentally friendly product to me.
Tony, we've been trying to make people aware of the issues with EV's since the government announced that they were going to ban production (and in some cases refuse to register existing) of ICE vehicles. We're called Boomers (which I am not) that don't want to get rid of buggy whips. We don't need a class action lawsuit. This is on our Government, and the stubborn people that bought into this grift, and bought them anyway.
Exactly not to mention that a lot of us can't even afford a new vehicle. But that's their game.
Refuse to register our cars, then we can't go to work then lose everything we got.
But that's what Klaus Schwab wants you'll own nothing and be happy and you will eat zee bugs
It's all about Government control and wait till 2026 ever new car has to have a kill switch installed. They say it's to stop DUI's thieves and car jackings.
Yeah right it so when the government sees something you posted on social media they don't like, then they will cut your car off.
Biggest Problem the Schlaboubve laws dictate this
Tony think about this one, the car is a couple of years old and a wheel bearing gives out, now you have the control arm may be damaged, so the bottom drags. Have seen it numerous times, so these EV's are likely to become more problems than they are worth, literally.
Channels like this have inspired me to keep an older car as a daily and actually do some of the easier maintenance for myself. I just replaced the exhaust on my f-150 yesterday.
Can you imagine the insurance cost for an EV?
Which are then passed to every single consumer whether driving an EV or not
Should be quadrupled!
When I was 18-19 I had a 77 Camero with a 350-350. One night going a little fast went over a set of train tracks that were basically a jump ramp got airborne and when I landed crushed my brand new duel exhaust system. Even flattened out the headers. Pulled over checked out the damage then rolled a bone and went on my way.
Somebody is going to buy that Ioniq at Copart for almost nothing and drive it for years.
If this chair is rockin' ... Listen up--UT is talkin'!!!😎
Keep hammering the EV Junk!
Don’t forget the dealer didn’t even remove the battery cover to check before condemning it and voided the guys warranty so the car became instantly worthless.
You have to wonder about the tepid engineering in the vehicle also. I've bottomed out my suspension in a number of cars, and it's always been the suspension that's bottomed out onto the bump stops - _not_ the vehicle body/frame bottoming out onto the road surface.
I've had some cars where bump stops weren't even necessary, at least on the front. For example my 1979 Subaru DL daily driver. The front suspension is designed with a single A arm per side. The knuckles are attached to the A arm on the bottom with a ball joint. The strut is attached to the top of the knuckle and steering the car turns the entire strut. Besides the strut with the coil spring on it the A arm is attached to a torsion bar which limits the travel to less than the maximum travel of the strut. Essentially it is impossible to bottom out the front suspension. And this car has nearly a foot of ground clearance. In the rear it has swing arms with torsion bars. It has bump stops but they are way up inside the wheel wells. The car can bottom out so hard that the wheel goes nearly all the way into the top of the wheel well and it won't damage anything because of how much suspension travel there is. I've hit an unexpected speed bump going over 50 mph and it didn't even dent anything. Kind of crazy that one of the cheapest cars of 1979 was designed this way but a $80,000 car today isn't.
On a flat road, yeah you are right. But over speed bumps and railroads and things like that its easy to scrape. A few years ago i nearly got stuck with a 95 accord getting out of a hôtel underground parking lot , the "hump" was so bad and the car was too low. Also, winter, i "beached" a Volvo v50 AWD on Ice blobs created by the snow removal Crew on the Side of my street. All 4 wheels were off the Ground.... I had backed Up in somewhat thick snow but underneath was icy mounts of packed snow. I had to be Towed out of that mess.
I’m still mad they replaced hand winding watches with battery run ones that all require different size batteries that cost money. I have two good ones in my drawer now because I can’t get the backs off and have to bring it to the jeweler. Besides that, I don’t like the idea of having a battery on my body all the time. Or a gigantic battery pack under my seat in the car.
Here's a thought. Was the forward mount for the plastic cover pushed back causing the cover to buckle creating the 15mm difference? No issue with the battery at all?
I'm thinking they got underneath and saw the battery cover was distorted. They probably didn't even bother to remove the cover. Honestly with as flaky as these LiPo batteries, or whatever they are, I'd be scared to death of it even if a "professional" declared it OK. That battery could be visibly perfect but something inside could have gotten knocked around and you'd never know. Maybe you'd drive it for years with no problem. Maybe it would catch fire the next month. It's a liability and it could cut into profits so better off to junk it. Things the way they are though, and dealerships doing what dealerships do, I could see swapping the battery cover, re-title it and sell it used, probably still make a profit. Yes, it's been totaled but I can see a dealer pulling some shit.
@@heliarche It really should be possible to drop the battery and rebuild it: for about the same cost as an engine rebuild.
During that process every part can be examined and replaced if damaged.
@@jamesphillips2285 The way things are going, I wouldn't trust anyone to do it. Noone gives a damn, noone knows. They'd certainly say they did it but you wouldn't know unless you were hovering over their shoulders watching and most shops won't let you back in the service area because of "insurance".
Whenever airbags deploy, the HV battery permanently disables itself and needs to be replaced. An HV battery is about $68,000 (USA) for the company I work for. European manufacturer. Will insurance companies continue to insure electric vehicles? They seem like they're a net loss for all parties. Contrast that to the car I drive: a 1998 Corolla that has 237,000 miles on it and still drives great. I paid $2500 for it more than a decade ago.
You can only drive that Corolla for half a million miles more before it'll need some major work, maybe.
They are not ICE cars.
They are NORMAL cars for normal people!
I suspect ICE resale prices are going to be climbing steadily - Who’d buy a used EV, with no idea when you’ll get hit with a battery replacement? (Never mind the silly repair places for taillights, body panels, etc.)
I love that you watch Geoff Buys Cars. One of my favourite channels, besides yours of course.
They refused to remove the cover to even see if the batt was actually impacted or not ! and refused to involve Corp. + the insurance raised his rate by 50 Fing % for a min. of 10 ! yrs no matter what he ends up driving 🤯 is disgruntled customers w/ guns the way of the future 😒😬😥
Tony, maybe you have already talked about this in previous videos, but what alot of people dont know or dont talk about with the EVs, is the dark side behind the mining and material sourcing for these EV batteries. The Cobalt used in EV batteries is sourced largely through means of forced labor, also known as slavery, in the Congo mines that are owned by China. These mines are supposed to be mines where heavy equipment is used and not just humans using cavemen tools, instead, its entirely cavemen tools, with men, women and many children being forced to mine the materials with bare hands. The Lithium that is also being used in batteries, that is supposed to be the more "Ethical" sourced material, is well, by no surprise, much of the same as Cobalt. We have Trillions of dollars worth of Lithium deposits here in the US, but mine miniscule amounts of it because the tree huggers dont want to mine here for fear of, you guessed it, pollution of the areas around the mining. Not surprisingly, mining these precious materials, creates a massive amount of pollution. The process to mine Lithium uses large amounts of water, and Lithium is located typically in areas, like deserts, with little to no water. So not only do you need to get the water there, you also need to use fuel for all of the equipment, and then moving the Lithium to the production plants! One country that has huge amounts of Lithium, and not surprisingly, close ties with China, is Afghanistan, which is a country led and controlled by terrorists that we were at war with for 20 years, and typically, are not environmentally concerned people. This is a very dark secret that is kept from the public eye, you have to dig for this info. People are buying these cars because they believe the lies of the mass media that they are going to save the world, and have no impact on the environment. Also, I believe last I looked, only about 5% of EV batteries are recycled. The other 95%, end up in mass scrap yards.
The hell of it is that if he had just not worried about the problem, there never would have been a problem. And it's absurd that the entire car battery was condemned simply because a protective cover that did its job, was damaged.
Yes, it looked just like a superficial scuff to me. Of course, I can only judge by what I see and hear on this video (and others relating to the case). If the protection guard was removed and the battery pack inspected, then an accurate assessment could be done. Maybe they did that, but I'll never know.
Insurance for these new cars should be proportionally higher. But, in this situation I think the dealership also was too quick to condemn the car for the battery. They never consulted with the manufacturer except to have the warranty voided for that scrape, they told the owner the battery was compromised and could burst into flames at any time. The dealer service department never attempted to remove that skid plate and inspect it. I think they were thinking the job was an easy sale to the insurance company then the car ended up getting written off.
Actually, it is more or less the standard these days, and there are other stories on damaged batteries that people just don't see in the news.
In reality, they simply don't have the resources to properly examine these vehicles. Basically, any dealer, any manufacturer, any car insurance company will just call it a loss for even the slightest impact to the battery assembly because there isn't much ability to determine the integrity of the battery. The likelihood of damage from minor impacts could be very slim, but there's no way of knowing, and there are too many variables. There is no company that wants to sign away a variable safety risk.
Tony, you are a national treasure. Please stop smoking. Many in my family died a slow awful death from it
I bought a 75 Plymouth valiant with the Iconic slant 6 1bbl. It's 48 years olds and hope it will last another 50 years, wich will probably ! Hahahahaha!
Dont forget to duel
This is why the Dukes of Hazzard didn't drive an EV! Lol!
The fact I had to go to 4 different places to buy a spark plug locally to complete the oil change & tune-up for my gas generator leads me to think there is a larger push to phase out our internal combustion machines. I did find it eventually at an independent small engine repair shop. I should have went there first, we need to support these local old school shops. Oh the Spark plug I needed? An NGK BPR4ES spark plug for my Yamaha engine equipped Rigid 6800W (8500W Peak) Generator.
I hope you're wrong but I fear you are right. Phasing out the parts will force the old stubborn guys to ditch their vintage stuff.
Same happening to me locally - most small engine repair places have already closed, and the big box stores are transitioning to all-electric equipment. I've gotten 75% off on a bunch of Echo tune-up kits for my blowers, trimmers, and chainsaws since they are no longer carrying those parts at the big orange box store. My advice? Buy quality parts online while you can still get them and stock up! Spark plugs are non-perishable and will still be good (and probably more valuable) 20 years from now!
Lately I just ordered stuff like that from Amazon
@@thomasward4505 Amazon or Rockauto. Used Amazon for a 'split clamp' to repair Nissan. Meineke Muffler wanted $425+tax. Less than $30 & a guy did a vid of his repair. Watched his vid & got inspired. And that's how to save $390. : )
Also I had to cut some exhaust pipe metal. But it worked.
@@redmondjp I agree. I did my snowblower oil change and tune-up side-by-side my generator. My Snowblower is a 30 year old 1993 HS624 I bought New in 1994. The plug is made by NGK for Honda and it's # is BPR5ES (one digit different than the Yamaha engine). Home Depot, Lowes, and Advance Auto all had that spark plug, so I bought an extra one to have a spare while I was shopping for the BPR4ES plug.
I'm certaining going to stock up and order some extra plugs online now for my generator, just as I already do for my Vintage Mopars with the oil filters and spark plugs for them
Come on TONY - you have been guilty of driving a hybrid energy vehicle for decades. Look under the bonnet - what do you see - a petrol engine and a 12V battery - please stop the hypocrisy. HA- CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.