ruclips.net/video/FbhUOLh8xDw/видео.html Listen to VDH discuss failure of British nighttime air power during WWII and LeMay in 1942 showing up and the British saying, "Daylight bombing? Are you kidding me?"
I am a history guy in a big way. Lived, as a teen, through the assassination of JFK, RFK, and King.I've studied 19th and 20th century warfare all my life, and I'm in my mid 70's now ... This, gentlemen, has been a superb presentation. Well done! (Dan)
I have so much respect for this channel. I cant fathom the amount of prep and research that went into this episode. looking forwarding to next Tuesday. Marks a damn savant.
My first video from this channel. I paused at 2:00 (to leave this comment) and am already enjoying both the historical evidence and the sense of humor of the presenters. Excited to see the rest!
I just want to say that America's Untold Stories is awesome! It has also depleted my entertainment budget, as I have bought several books about the Kennedy Assassination/True Crime because of this channel! I am hooked! Keep up the awesome work!
Didn’t know this. Didn’t understand just how bad the fanaticism was. Dad was in Pacific. Attack possible thru 1947? I was born in 1946. So because of guys like Lemay, I’m alive today?
it is amazing both the quantity and quality of what you two guys produce - How many hours a week in general do you two put into this channel ? It really shows just how lame and terrible the big media organizations with tonnes of staff and mega budgets are creating little of worth compared to you two guys I cannot remember the last time i spent two hours glued to anything the big Mainstream Media creates but with you two guys its every single time i put one on. Thank you for all that and just giving the public some respect by not treating us like 8 year old kids with attention spans of flies. (p.s. as a canadian i have decided my goal for next 6 months is to do the great american road trip while listening to the great American Untold Stories!)
I had a history professor at university that reminds me of Groubert. That guy knew the minutiae of every aspect of the American Civil War. I was riveted to my seat at every lecture. Love this channel. History Channel ain't got shit on y'all. Thanks for all you do.
I was planning to do the great southern ontario road trip but they won't let me in to the country. Ah well nice place. I lived in Hamilton Ontario and Galt.
This was a horrendous war which promoted great violence and human suffering. Brother against brother. May their souls rest in eternal paradise for their misery and trials.
Great research Mark from a 41 year USAF veteran. The USAF began in Sep 1947, not 1949. German AF also used ME-262 (1st jet), ME-110s, and FW 190 fighters along with the infamous ME-109. I look forward to part 2 as a JFK assassination historian. Keep up the great work. Hi to Eric.
My father (US Army 1936-1945) ran one of the large warehouses in north eastern India/Burma that took supplies from the US ships through railroad to his location and they supplied the planes going "over the hump" later supplied the Stillwell Road once opened. During his first tour (1936-1940) he was a member of the 31st Infantry stationed in Manila.
I have a sort of an odd LeMay story which i think goes to his ego. I was deputy sheriff on patrol, and was called tp a residential burglary in about 2006. This is in extreme northwest Kansas. I recognized the address as a house owned by the family of a guy who ran a top notch gun shop in town for years and years. This owner was rumored to be involved in various right wing groups...possibly extremists. So I arrive, and am being told what all is missing, and i spot an oil painting of Curtis LeMay in full dress uniform...probably 3 by 4 feet...it was huge. I asked the people in the house about the painting, as my dad was in SAC in the late '60's and i knew all about him. They explained that LeMay came to NW Kansas multiple times to go hunting, and as a gift for the family's hospitality, he gave them this ORIGINAL giant painting. That painting is still around, and I saw it at a residence maybe 3 years ago, and the owner at that time said that it was given to him by the family which had originally received it. I just can't imagine the ego behind a giant oil portrait being given as a gift. It kind of boggles the mind. As a sidenote, whereas Strangelove is a dark comedy, an outstanding film that I like much better which is a straight version of Strangelove, Fail-Safe is work checking out. Henry Fonda, Larry Hagman, Walter Matthaw, and the list goes on. Great film.
This is one of the best episodes in my opinion. Perhaps it is the subject matter, but Mark did a great job to nuancing LeMay and the context and complexities of his time.
100% Great info .. Mark and Hunny bun need to take the act on the road, to schools around the Nations instead of Drag hour and blow job books for little Jhonny and Pals....
@@AmericasUntoldStories I wish I could send more but will continue to support this channel all that I can. I'm a widow, and mother of a teenage son. I love sharing and sometimes watching your videos with my boy. I've passed on my passion for history to him. He loves you guys as well. It makes me so happy whenever he watches your videos and then wants to know even more. So he's actually studying our American history on his own! That's awesome guys. 🙂
Hi Mark. I am totally fascinated by your knowledge regarding the Kennedy Assination. You guys have brought so much information to my attention. Can you recommend a book or more discussing the complete Conspiracy as you see it to be true? I thank you for what you do.
Mark was talking about General Kurabayashi, whose story was told in the movie "Letters From Iwo Jima." Curtis LeMay was a great hero. Exposure to the relentless left-wing smear job on LeMay made me immune to it's ill-effects. I have been curious about the details of his life for some time now. Thank you for telling his story.
My father was a USAF AP 1957-1963. Some stories I have been told from that time. He was at Seymour Johnson AFB 1961-62. He used to know how many steps to walk around a hot pad B-52 on an armed patrol to shoot anyone who approached that was not authorized to be near the aircraft. He was part of the honor guard for Gen LeMay when he visited that SAC base one time. My mom told me they were still there during the Cuban Missile Crises. She said the officer responsible for liaison with the dependents on the base called them in to an auditorium and told them if the alarms went off not to try to leave. They could not get far enough fast enough.
LeMay`s firebombing of Japanese cities effectively shortened the war by destroying Japan`s industrial production, saving thousands of American troops. Great episode guys. Please do a show on General MacArthur . Thank you.
once we sunk the japanese merchant fleet it was over.japan had no food or oil. c book how rhe far east was list and rhe first casulity by pholop knoghtly.
@@headfuel The catastrophic, radioactive events of 'Fat Man and Little Boy' cannot be compared to firebombing. The Normans used a scorched-earth policy upon the English after their invasion of 1066. Atomic weaponry? Still, only one country has done such a shameful act, not once but twice. And it was done under the leadership of not a Republican but a Democrat president. Yes. 'War is a racket.'
@@deantait8326 Largely propaganda, but sometimes true. Our POW capture rate increased from 1:100 in 1944 to 1:7 in 1945 - more than ten fold increase - after high command started offering financial and leave incentives to GIs for Japanese prisoners. We both know what was being done with them. Don't necessarily blame them given Japanese practices. Nevertheless this "Imperial zombie" narrative is exaggerated to cover up the horrendous abuses Americans inflicted on Japanese attempting to surrender. On the macro level it was no different - we dropped two nuclear bombs on them pointlessly (scare the Soviets) after they tried to surrender.
Got this episode late but it was terrific. I first heard of "flying the Hump" years ago from a veteran who actually flew this route. I remember his mentioning what you discussed about flying fuel in, only to have to use it to get back. Incredible.
You should elaborate more about the "domino theory" of anti-communism policy. It anchored the mindset of that generation of military thinkers and policy makers.
My Dad worked for him somewhere in my Dad's 20 years in the Air Force. (1952-1972). My dad thought the worrld of General LeMay, if my dad thought someone was worthy of his praise, you had to be pretty good at what you do.
My dad did, too and I am named for LeMay. My father once told a story about how he was working on equipment inside a bomber and hurt his finger. My dad cut loose with a string of cuss words. Outside he heard somebody say something about using such language. He went outside and it was LeMay.
My uncle was hand selected to mill the crankshafts on the engines that were on the ENOLA GAY. I knew he worked on B-29's but he never spoke of this. It was revealed at his funeral. RIP Uncle Ollie.
This is fascinating. Almost humanizing LeMay (or explaining him), which is different, than most takes which myopically make him a caricature. Even Mark refrains from his 'Bombs Away' nickname. AND the take on McNamara is not what I expected here. I gained a lot of respect after the Fog of War documentary that Mark referenced. I'm wondering what Mark says McNamara was lying about - it had seemed to me the President didn't like what McNamara was telling him about Vietnam, and didn't listen to his advice. Perhaps he was indeed the worst person for the job. I guess I'll stay tuned. =)
The raf started the war alone and found it difficult to hit targets at night.Gradually they got better better planes tactics.They had pathfinders triangulating targets using radio waves then used flares to mark the target.The spitfire and hurricanes were good fighter planes but lacked the range of the american mustang.Hitting the enemy day and night sounds a good strategy to me
I saw a Spitfire. They are tiny. I live on the south coast. WWII still haunts this area. I know people who used to watch the 'dog fights.' I've lived among former 'bomb sites.' The RAF and their Polish counterparts were extremely brave. I know people whose RAF fathers and grandfathers never returned home. Cooperation was what won the war. Mark, your dismissive manner towards their sacrifices did make my toes curl somewhat. I for one, am grateful for their sacrifices.
@duke9555 sorry I thought r j mitchell built it but was actually designed by a German Edgar Schumed.Improved with the British merlin engine and browning gun
Mark, a 4% chance of dying per mission means a 96% chance of surviving the mission. The chance of surviving 25 missions is therefore 0.96²⁵ = 0.36 or 36%. By the way, a mortality rate of 10% per mission translates to a survivorship chance of 0.9²⁵ = 0.07 or 7% after 25 missions. Grim in both cases. Much gratitude to the men who flew those missions. God bless them. BELATED UPDATE: The target point is at 14:40.
Again, you misunderstood me. They were losing 4% of their crews each mission, not 4% chance of dying. Actual dying. Simple. 4 men out of 100 men x 25 missions = 100 men.Spectrum much? Thank you for complicating a simple idea for no reason. Very helpful.
@orsoncart802, good catch. Your calculation is correct, assuming the flights' probabilities are independent. That assumption is reasonable here, for rough calculation, but it's hard to know how correct the assumption is. For example, a pilot's skill increases with each flight he completes, so his chance of dying might go down with each completed flight.
@@AmericasUntoldStories Sincerely, you all have great shows-- very informative and interesting. Regarding the pilots' likelihood of survival, the calculations you cited are just incorrect-- no big deal (at around 15:00). That probability calculation is actually a trick question that engineering professors give their students in class, in grad school. (If a computer network drops 0.0001% of bits sent, what is the probability 1,000,000 bits will be sent without any being dropped?) Most students get it wrong, as I did back then. You and the WWII air-crews tried to solve the same type of probability calculation.
@@jimisnotunique Your assumption tweaks - I agree. Mine was just the basic, keep-it-simple approach. The loss-experience probably varied with target too, and other factors.
My dad fought in the China Burma Theater,he was a marsmen/ Merrill Maruders. After the Japanese surrender he volunteered to train Chinese under Shanghi Shek in weapons. He flew over the Hump.
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve". Admiral Yamamoto Japanese Supreme Military Commander. Assinated by U.S. Military while in flight to visit a forward Japanese base. He did not say this but rather it was found in his diary after his death. Interestingly, Admiral Yamamoto was educated at Harvard university.
Admiral Yamamoto is the one that made the famous remark about "Awakening a Sleeping Giant." He was the commander of the entire fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor.
@@jacobbell8171 Sure. It goes both directions. You used the word "allegedly" he could have "quotes" he could not have "quotes" take your pick. Not seeing your point here no matter which direction it goes, other than to be contentious. Right? Kinda your specialty? To be contradictory to what some people say?
@@jacobbell8171 Somehow your going to drag me for what Hollywood produces? I'm pretty sure by now, most people already already mistrust Hollywood. However, Mark and Eric mention many Hollywood figureheads. Like Oliver Stone. Why not drag them? It's their channel?
@@jacobbell8171 Keep in mind, the objective was to mention the Admiral's name, that mark seemed temporarily miffed by who was leading the navy on the attack on Pearl Harbor. Maybe you're making a assertion that he's mythical as well. It only behooves the military to be providing mythical characters and berating their war efforts to make stuff up out of thin air. Not sure about you, but I know for certain if the comment or the Admiral's name wasn't accurate, the military would have said as much by now. Where's your proof that the military has already debunked Hollywood's version of these historical events? Since you've decided to play the devil's advocate? Typically when people do that or attempt to debunk something, they bring the receipts. Where's yours?
The Japanese were MUCH further along in their atomic bomb program than generally recognized, and may have tested a low yield device on the Korean Peninsula (location of their main atomic research) literally days before surrender. After mainland Japan surrendered, the Japanese Army fought to retain their research labs another three months. Read "Japan's Secret War" by Robert K. Wilcox, but get the updated third edition. Some important information came out and was added after the initial edition.
Preparing for the Japanese invasion, Hollywood came out with Special film project 152. (First motion picture unit) This unit was tasked with making a scale topographical map of Japan. With EXTEREME detail. The AAF was pleased with the unit's contribution to the war effort. A PFC in this unit was DeForest Kelley of Star Trek.
Wow! This was great. Thanks to both of you for this educational and entertaining episode! I’ll have to go back and watch more of your content. I didn’t know how knowledgeable Groubert is.
Mark should look at Dresden at night whilst being bombed by the RAF , that place was on fire . was a lot more to night bombing than being told , there is a great book about the RAF pathfinders that dropped different colored flares to guide bombers , the B17 was a fantastic bomber with great crews and the norden bomb site .Day bombing , sometimes places get hit day and night , imagine being there . what a Great man Lemay was .
Off topic, but I’d be curious to see if you’re can do some American involvements in the Troubles in Northern Ireland. Supplying weapons and the individuals involved.
At a certain time, we would've had MORE Divisions ready to invade southern Kyushu, than the Japanese. Approaching the projected time of invasion, the Japanese had MORE. So, the potential carnage - over 500,000 - would've been even worse than foreseen. Thanks, Mark!
The "sleeping giant" comment is attributed to Admiral Yamamoto (best admiral Japan had and was killed during Operation Vengeance). There are some accounts that this is only a rumor?? Operation Vengeance was quickly planned and approved by the prez. Very well timed and executed.
they produced so many purple hearts in anticipation of our casualties in the invasion of japan, they were still awarding some during the global war on terror just a few years ago. ie the stock lasted 70+ years after the war.
An interesting side note on Lemay. Before the M16/AR15 was approved through the normal channels for issuance to US Army or Marine personnel, LeMay, with McNamara's blessing if not insistence, made it possible for the USAF to purchase the first batch of these rifles. Before they were actually approved for US combat forces.
I guess Groubert missed the part in Fog of War where McNamara says he told JFK that we had to withdraw from Viet Nam, it led to NSAM 263, we withdrew 1000 advisors, with the plan for the remaining 15,000 to come out in 1965 after the 1964 election. He missed the part and phone conversation in the movie between LBJ and McNamara saying that him and JFK discussing withdrawl from Viet Nam was "stupide." He missed the LBJ quote in in December 1963 telling the Joint Chiefs "I'll give you your damn war in Viet Nam, just get me elected in 1964." McNamara served LBJ and his MIC sponsors for the escalation in Viet Nam, it was not McNamara's idea or belief. He further wrote LBJ a memo in 1967 which LBJ never responded to, instead firing him. LeMay called the solution to the Cuban missle crisis an appeasement worse than Munich and "we lost." Groubert has it exactly backwards regarding LeMay and McNamara.
I guess Lovman ( a coward who will not under any circumstance use his real name) missed is that McNamara was a deviant liar who deceived two american Presidents then had a nervous breakdown and left office. www.nytimes.com/2021/06/09/us/pentagon-papers-vietnam-war.html If Lovman (a pacifist and Anti-American had bothered to read the Pentagon Papers - ironically commissioned by McNamara - he would have learned the depth on McNamara's lies. But he has not. Instead Lovman is a cherry picker As the leftist NY Times even states: "The lies were repeated to the public, to Congress, in closed-door hearings, in speeches and to the press. The real story might have remained unknown if, in 1967, McNamara had not commissioned a secret history based on classified documents - which came to be known as the Pentagon Papers." Lovman would rather blame the architects of the victory of WWII not his "professors" from college he thought we so cool. Not his intellectual friend Robert Strange McNamara who: "By then, he knew that even with nearly 500,000 U.S. troops in theater, the war was at a stalemate. He created a research team to assemble and analyze Defense Department decision-making dating back to 1945. This was either quixotic or arrogant. As secretary of defense under Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson, McNamara was an architect of the war and implicated in the lies that were the bedrock of U.S. policy." It was a Democrats war: "Officially titled “Report of the Office of the Secretary of Defense Vietnam Task Force,” the papers filled 47 volumes, covering the administrations of President Franklin D. Roosevelt to President Lyndon B. Johnson. Their 7,000 pages chronicled, in cold, bureaucratic language, how the United States got itself mired in a long, costly war in a small Southeast Asian country of questionable strategic importance." "The original sin was the decision to support the French rulers in Vietnam. President Harry S. Truman subsidized their effort to take back their Indochina colonies." Come out of the shadows "Lovman" and into the bright sunshine of liberty. Give us your full name and background. Don't hide behind monikers throwing stones. Unless you feel it is "unsafe" for you. lol
I have no idea if you’re planning a Robert McNamara episode, but if you do I’m dying for your take on McNamara’s Morons in Vietnam (low IQ cannon fodder).
After serving on the water tanker/troop transport USS Soubarissen when that ship earned a battle star for the Okinawa-Gunto campaign of April - June 1945, my father was transferred stateside to a defense language school. He had been selected to study Japanese in preparation for the invasion/occupation before the formal surrender occurred aboard the USS Missouri on Sept. 2, 1945. Shortly thereafter he resigned his commission and one year later married my mom who had been a wartime Navy WAVE (Women Accepted Volunteer Emergency Service). Thank you, General LeMay.
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Listen to VDH discuss failure of British nighttime air power during WWII and LeMay in 1942 showing up and the British saying, "Daylight bombing? Are you kidding me?"
I am a history guy in a big way. Lived, as a teen, through the assassination of JFK, RFK, and King.I've studied 19th and 20th century warfare all my life, and I'm in my mid 70's now ... This, gentlemen, has been a superb presentation. Well done! (Dan)
Just winged it. Hope it turned out ok.
Love this series. What an honor to join a book club with you awesome dudes and the nice like minded people who watch this program.
I have so much respect for this channel. I cant fathom the amount of prep and research that went into this episode. looking forwarding to next Tuesday. Marks a damn savant.
He is! A photographic memory? Thoroughly enjoy him. His insight, courage to see things as they are, his humor and above all kindness and compassion.
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My first video from this channel. I paused at 2:00 (to leave this comment) and am already enjoying both the historical evidence and the sense of humor of the presenters. Excited to see the rest!
Great information guys.
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Your work Mark is so appreciated.
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Do a program about the Skull & Bones and the East Coast Establishment which Nixon talked about !@@AmericasUntoldStories
Met Lemay back in '76 as a naive teenager... Took nearly 50 years to wrap my head around the reality of it...
Wow, What an incredible experience.
I still can't believe the depth of information on this channel. Very valuable. It's like a really good movie, every time.
So close to that play button.... 100,000 coming soon! History is so interesting when Mark is the Professor🙂
I absolutely love this episode and your channel! Thanks for all time and afford! Can't wait for part II !
I just want to say that America's Untold Stories is awesome! It has also depleted my entertainment budget, as I have bought several books about the Kennedy Assassination/True Crime because of this channel! I am hooked!
Keep up the awesome work!
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Groubert’s story telling, and his memory, is really amazing. History with perspective!
I'm a history buff and I love how you guys get into the details of how things are behind the scenes.
Details are of the casodex. Thanks for the supply. Greetings 🙏
It would be great if he actually got the details right.
@@jacktheaviator4938this episode has some of mark’s worst takes I’ve ever heard 😂
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Didn’t know this. Didn’t understand just how bad the fanaticism was. Dad was in Pacific. Attack possible thru 1947? I was born in 1946. So because of guys like Lemay, I’m alive today?
it is amazing both the quantity and quality of what you two guys produce - How many hours a week in general do you two put into this channel ? It really shows just how lame and terrible the big media organizations with tonnes of staff and mega budgets are creating little of worth compared to you two guys I cannot remember the last time i spent two hours glued to anything the big Mainstream Media creates but with you two guys its every single time i put one on. Thank you for all that and just giving the public some respect by not treating us like 8 year old kids with attention spans of flies. (p.s. as a canadian i have decided my goal for next 6 months is to do the great american road trip while listening to the great American Untold Stories!)
Don’t miss the Amish communities in Ohio. Have fun.
I had a history professor at university that reminds me of Groubert. That guy knew the minutiae of every aspect of the American Civil War. I was riveted to my seat at every lecture. Love this channel. History Channel ain't got shit on y'all. Thanks for all you do.
I was planning to do the great southern ontario road trip but they won't let me in to the country. Ah well nice place. I lived in Hamilton Ontario and Galt.
This was a horrendous war which promoted great violence and human suffering. Brother against brother. May their souls rest in eternal paradise for their misery and trials.
Great research Mark from a 41 year USAF veteran. The USAF began in Sep 1947, not 1949. German AF also used ME-262 (1st jet), ME-110s, and FW 190 fighters along with the infamous ME-109. I look forward to part 2 as a JFK assassination historian. Keep up the great work. Hi to Eric.
This episode is just simply brilliant.
My father (US Army 1936-1945) ran one of the large warehouses in north eastern India/Burma that took supplies from the US ships through railroad to his location and they supplied the planes going "over the hump" later supplied the Stillwell Road once opened. During his first tour (1936-1940) he was a member of the 31st Infantry stationed in Manila.
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@@pauldalnoky6055 No. US Army service. They supplied every military item the US made to the Chinese to fight the Japanese during WWII.
And now u got to be PC say self delete and let cross dresser read and dance for your little kids
God bless him I am always grateful for your father's generation's sacrifices you must be very proud of him.
Facinating! My father was army core of engineers on Saipan where they built the runways.
Man, Mark, are you an incredible storyteller! Thank you both again for another great episode
I have a sort of an odd LeMay story which i think goes to his ego. I was deputy sheriff on patrol, and was called tp a residential burglary in about 2006. This is in extreme northwest Kansas. I recognized the address as a house owned by the family of a guy who ran a top notch gun shop in town for years and years. This owner was rumored to be involved in various right wing groups...possibly extremists. So I arrive, and am being told what all is missing, and i spot an oil painting of Curtis LeMay in full dress uniform...probably 3 by 4 feet...it was huge. I asked the people in the house about the painting, as my dad was in SAC in the late '60's and i knew all about him. They explained that LeMay came to NW Kansas multiple times to go hunting, and as a gift for the family's hospitality, he gave them this ORIGINAL giant painting. That painting is still around, and I saw it at a residence maybe 3 years ago, and the owner at that time said that it was given to him by the family which had originally received it. I just can't imagine the ego behind a giant oil portrait being given as a gift. It kind of boggles the mind.
As a sidenote, whereas Strangelove is a dark comedy, an outstanding film that I like much better which is a straight version of Strangelove, Fail-Safe is work checking out. Henry Fonda, Larry Hagman, Walter Matthaw, and the list goes on. Great film.
This is one of the best episodes in my opinion. Perhaps it is the subject matter, but Mark did a great job to nuancing LeMay and the context and complexities of his time.
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Great info .. Mark and Hunny bun need to take the act on the road, to schools around the Nations instead of Drag hour and blow job books for little Jhonny and Pals....
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Hi Mark. I am totally fascinated by your knowledge regarding the Kennedy Assination. You guys have brought so much information to my attention. Can you recommend a book or more discussing the complete Conspiracy as you see it to be true? I thank you for what you do.
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Mark was talking about General Kurabayashi, whose story was told in the movie "Letters From Iwo Jima." Curtis LeMay was a great hero. Exposure to the relentless left-wing smear job on LeMay made me immune to it's ill-effects. I have been curious about the details of his life for some time now. Thank you for telling his story.
My father was a USAF AP 1957-1963. Some stories I have been told from that time. He was at Seymour Johnson AFB 1961-62. He used to know how many steps to walk around a hot pad B-52 on an armed patrol to shoot anyone who approached that was not authorized to be near the aircraft. He was part of the honor guard for Gen LeMay when he visited that SAC base one time. My mom told me they were still there during the Cuban Missile Crises. She said the officer responsible for liaison with the dependents on the base called them in to an auditorium and told them if the alarms went off not to try to leave. They could not get far enough fast enough.
Hey Eric, alright, good shout out to Tucson, we love it down here too, lots of military bases, yes, and best sunsets anywhere!
You guys are so great 👍👍 just how you come up with New material is stunning. Thanks for all your hard work guys.
LeMay`s firebombing of Japanese cities effectively shortened the war by destroying Japan`s industrial production, saving thousands of American troops. Great episode guys. Please do a show on General MacArthur . Thank you.
For better or worse the Japanese soldiers were so committed to their Empire and Emperor they’d fight to the last person.
Yes... it also killed thousands of civilians. "War is a racket. " ~Smedley D. Butler
once we sunk the japanese merchant fleet it was over.japan had no food or oil.
c book how rhe far east was list and rhe first casulity by pholop knoghtly.
@@headfuel The catastrophic, radioactive events of 'Fat Man and Little Boy' cannot be compared to firebombing. The Normans used a scorched-earth policy upon the English after their invasion of 1066. Atomic weaponry? Still, only one country has done such a shameful act, not once but twice. And it was done under the leadership of not a Republican but a Democrat president. Yes. 'War is a racket.'
@@deantait8326 Largely propaganda, but sometimes true. Our POW capture rate increased from 1:100 in 1944 to 1:7 in 1945 - more than ten fold increase - after high command started offering financial and leave incentives to GIs for Japanese prisoners.
We both know what was being done with them. Don't necessarily blame them given Japanese practices.
Nevertheless this "Imperial zombie" narrative is exaggerated to cover up the horrendous abuses Americans inflicted on Japanese attempting to surrender. On the macro level it was no different - we dropped two nuclear bombs on them pointlessly (scare the Soviets) after they tried to surrender.
Fort Collins Colorado has a street, a major NS thoroughfare named “Lemay”
I never knew why. You guys never cease to “blow me away” 😂
Got this episode late but it was terrific. I first heard of "flying the Hump" years ago from a veteran who actually flew this route. I remember his mentioning what you discussed about flying fuel in, only to have to use it to get back. Incredible.
So much inside information to absorb. Fascinating. Thanks
You should elaborate more about the "domino theory" of anti-communism policy. It anchored the mindset of that generation of military thinkers and policy makers.
This is the best history I have come across on the situation in Japan circa early 1945.
First time I had heard of the making of armaments in individual homes. That is almost inconceivable.
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My Dad worked for him somewhere in my Dad's 20 years in the Air Force. (1952-1972). My dad thought the worrld of General LeMay, if my dad thought someone was worthy of his praise, you had to be pretty good at what you do.
My dad did, too and I am named for LeMay. My father once told a story about how he was working on equipment inside a bomber and hurt his finger. My dad cut loose with a string of cuss words. Outside he heard somebody say something about using such language. He went outside and it was LeMay.
McNamara said he was one of the most brutal officers he's ever encountered. But, u have to admit that man was brutally efficient.
if ya wanna win a war Le May was your man
Curtis Lemay sounds like an absolute badass genius!
My uncle was hand selected to mill the crankshafts on the engines that were on the ENOLA GAY. I knew he worked on B-29's but he never spoke of this. It was revealed at his funeral. RIP Uncle Ollie.
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This is fascinating. Almost humanizing LeMay (or explaining him), which is different, than most takes which myopically make him a caricature. Even Mark refrains from his 'Bombs Away' nickname. AND the take on McNamara is not what I expected here. I gained a lot of respect after the Fog of War documentary that Mark referenced. I'm wondering what Mark says McNamara was lying about - it had seemed to me the President didn't like what McNamara was telling him about Vietnam, and didn't listen to his advice. Perhaps he was indeed the worst person for the job. I guess I'll stay tuned. =)
McNamara commissioned the Pentagon Papers then lied to two presidents about the results.
The raf started the war alone and found it difficult to hit targets at night.Gradually they got better better planes tactics.They had pathfinders triangulating targets using radio waves then used flares to mark the target.The spitfire and hurricanes were good fighter planes but lacked the range of the american mustang.Hitting the enemy day and night sounds a good strategy to me
I saw a Spitfire. They are tiny. I live on the south coast. WWII still haunts this area. I know people who used to watch the 'dog fights.' I've lived among former 'bomb sites.' The RAF and their Polish counterparts were extremely brave. I know people whose RAF fathers and grandfathers never returned home. Cooperation was what won the war. Mark, your dismissive manner towards their sacrifices did make my toes curl somewhat. I for one, am grateful for their sacrifices.
The P-51 was a perfect hybrid of Brit & Yank tech British engine & US body
@duke9555 the mustang was an English designed plane I believe
@@johnnagle7702 you'd have to prove that 2 me Johnny
@duke9555 sorry I thought r j mitchell built it but was actually designed by a German Edgar Schumed.Improved with the British merlin engine and browning gun
Boys, this was one of the best shows you've done. Two Thumbs Up !
Thanks D!
@52:56 my granny's dad, my great grandfather Fred Dean served in the Pacific during WW2.
Mark, a 4% chance of dying per mission means a 96% chance of surviving the mission. The chance of surviving 25 missions is therefore 0.96²⁵ = 0.36 or 36%.
By the way, a mortality rate of 10% per mission translates to a survivorship chance of 0.9²⁵ = 0.07 or 7% after 25 missions.
Grim in both cases. Much gratitude to the men who flew those missions. God bless them.
BELATED UPDATE: The target point is at 14:40.
Again, you misunderstood me. They were losing 4% of their crews each mission, not 4% chance of dying. Actual dying. Simple. 4 men out of 100 men x 25 missions = 100 men.Spectrum much? Thank you for complicating a simple idea for no reason. Very helpful.
@orsoncart802, good catch.
Your calculation is correct, assuming the flights' probabilities are independent.
That assumption is reasonable here, for rough calculation,
but it's hard to know how correct the assumption is.
For example, a pilot's skill increases with each flight he completes,
so his chance of dying might go down with each completed flight.
@@jimisnotunique for the love of god, I am merely stating the common wisdom among the crew not some algebra equation. why do I bother.
@@AmericasUntoldStories Sincerely, you all have great shows--
very informative and interesting.
Regarding the pilots' likelihood of survival, the calculations you cited are just incorrect-- no big deal (at around 15:00).
That probability calculation is actually a trick question that engineering professors give their students in class, in grad school.
(If a computer network drops 0.0001% of bits sent, what is the probability 1,000,000 bits will be sent without any being dropped?)
Most students get it wrong, as I did back then.
You and the WWII air-crews tried to solve the same type of probability calculation.
@@jimisnotunique Your assumption tweaks - I agree. Mine was just the basic, keep-it-simple approach. The loss-experience probably varied with target too, and other factors.
My dad fought in the China Burma Theater,he was a marsmen/ Merrill Maruders. After the Japanese surrender he volunteered to train Chinese under Shanghi Shek in weapons. He flew over the Hump.
thank you and HIM!
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve".
Admiral Yamamoto
Japanese Supreme Military Commander.
Assinated by U.S. Military while in flight to visit a forward Japanese base. He did not say this but rather it was found in his diary after his death. Interestingly, Admiral Yamamoto was educated at Harvard university.
Yamamoto was shot outta the skies by American pilots in 1943
@@duke9555 Assignation by P38; the original "Black Op".
Admiral Yamamoto is the one that made the famous remark about "Awakening a Sleeping Giant." He was the commander of the entire fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor.
the remark originates from Toro Toro Toro and there is allegedly no evidence that he actually said it
@@jacobbell8171it was on a movie - it had to be true
@@jacobbell8171 Sure. It goes both directions. You used the word "allegedly" he could have "quotes" he could not have "quotes" take your pick. Not seeing your point here no matter which direction it goes, other than to be contentious. Right? Kinda your specialty? To be contradictory to what some people say?
@@jacobbell8171 Somehow your going to drag me for what Hollywood produces? I'm pretty sure by now, most people already already mistrust Hollywood. However, Mark and Eric mention many Hollywood figureheads. Like Oliver Stone. Why not drag them? It's their channel?
@@jacobbell8171 Keep in mind, the objective was to mention the Admiral's name, that mark seemed temporarily miffed by who was leading the navy on the attack on Pearl Harbor. Maybe you're making a assertion that he's mythical as well. It only behooves the military to be providing mythical characters and berating their war efforts to make stuff up out of thin air. Not sure about you, but I know for certain if the comment or the Admiral's name wasn't accurate, the military would have said as much by now. Where's your proof that the military has already debunked Hollywood's version of these historical events? Since you've decided to play the devil's advocate?
Typically when people do that or attempt to debunk something, they bring the receipts. Where's yours?
Great Work guys!
Keep it up! 👍
The Japanese were MUCH further along in their atomic bomb program than generally recognized, and may have tested a low yield device on the Korean Peninsula (location of their main atomic research) literally days before surrender. After mainland Japan surrendered, the Japanese Army fought to retain their research labs another three months. Read "Japan's Secret War" by Robert K. Wilcox, but get the updated third edition. Some important information came out and was added after the initial edition.
I have never heard of this. Interesting, thank you
Never heard of the the Japanese A-Bomb effort was headed by Yukio Nishina..as far as I know, they NEVER achieved a chain reaction in a reactor.
My point is all of the knowledge I have I still learn things on this great channel.
My maternal grandmother a name was Lemay. Makes me wonder if we might not be distantly related. Great show
Love the knowledge I obtain watching all ur guys shows love it keep it up man you guys r great 👍 ❤
Preparing for the Japanese invasion, Hollywood came out with Special film project 152. (First motion picture unit)
This unit was tasked with making a scale topographical map of Japan. With EXTEREME detail.
The AAF was pleased with the unit's contribution to the war effort.
A PFC in this unit was DeForest Kelley of Star Trek.
And all this helped set the stage, so to speak for Kubricks employment at Nasa....
BTW
Mars looks a lot like Devon Island😂
@@philyeary8809Totally agree!! NASA has never been to the moon In actuality but, only in that lousy film by Kubrick.
Laural Canyon by any chance?
Wow! This was great. Thanks to both of you for this educational and entertaining episode! I’ll have to go back and watch more of your content. I didn’t know how knowledgeable Groubert is.
ahh, just 400 videos to go for you
“War is the remedy our enemies have chosen… I say we give them all they want”- William T. Sherman
Thanks!
Thank you!
Any thoughts on the 1973 Movie, Executive Action"?
Mark should look at Dresden at night whilst being bombed by the RAF , that place was on fire . was a lot more to night bombing than being told , there is a great book about the RAF pathfinders that dropped different colored flares to guide bombers , the B17 was a fantastic bomber with great crews and the norden bomb site .Day bombing , sometimes places get hit day and night , imagine being there . what a Great man Lemay was .
Buildings were brick. Did not burn.
Wooden roofs, wooden furniture, wooden doors, wooden door frames, wooden floors, wooden shelves, wooden joists, paper, fabric, fuel... The film footage is apocalyptic. Bomber Harris. Awful.
@@AmericasUntoldStories Kurt Vonnegut is not amused.
@@jaylozier4083 Biggest drunk I ever drank with. And that's saying alot.
Dresden was a war crime !
Thanks so much.❤
I love these history lessons. Thanks guys
Off topic, but I’d be curious to see if you’re can do some American involvements in the Troubles in Northern Ireland. Supplying weapons and the individuals involved.
....ME 109 . epic airship ....
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The Japanese sense of honor is beyond words
Brilliant!
Elihu Root before the Dulles Brothers. They are just the pinnacle of the most recent version.
i was actually waiting for this one on lemay, very interesting dissection of lemay and the history surrounding him
At a certain time, we would've had MORE Divisions ready to invade southern Kyushu, than the Japanese. Approaching the projected time of invasion, the Japanese had MORE. So, the potential carnage - over 500,000 - would've been even worse than foreseen. Thanks, Mark!
Le May is a breton name near St. Brieuc. I taught in Brittany for 30 years. Had students by that name.
"LeMay was of English and distant French Huguenot heritage" according to warren kozak
@@AmericasUntoldStories The Normans are Danes wi drk hair -EnglishChannel -turn Left -France /Englishchannel turn Right -England --hahhhaa
Don’t forget, the Doolittle Raid. That was before the B-29 bombings. That had to shock the Japanese before the incendiary bombings by LeMay.
not much real damage but it sent a message .. we're coming after your paper cities with fire 🔥🔥
I apreciate the volume boost. I heard everything Kennedy and the General said.
I have been waiting patiently for this one.
The "sleeping giant" comment is attributed to Admiral Yamamoto (best admiral Japan had and was killed during Operation Vengeance). There are some accounts that this is only a rumor?? Operation Vengeance was quickly planned and approved by the prez. Very well timed and executed.
Top notch guys, can’t wait for part two👍🏻
@1:00:45 Kyoto is gorgeous.
This excellent.
Fantastic show! Looking forward to the next installment.
Eating brunch, listening to AUS. Life could be worse. 😊 Thank you, gentlemen! ❤
they produced so many purple hearts in anticipation of our casualties in the invasion of japan, they were still awarding some during the global war on terror just a few years ago. ie the stock lasted 70+ years after the war.
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You guys are great!!!
Very informative stuff
Great presentation.
I love you guys! 👏🏼🇺🇸👏🏼
An interesting side note on Lemay. Before the M16/AR15 was approved through the normal channels for issuance to US Army or Marine personnel, LeMay, with McNamara's blessing if not insistence, made it possible for the USAF to purchase the first batch of these rifles. Before they were actually approved for US combat forces.
Hey I’m from Dayton ❤❤.. Best little small city on the planet… Hearing my city mentioned is a Treat..👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾🐐🐐🐐
You guys are great. The history that Mark knows is almost as much as I know. 😂.. Another awesome show. 10/10. Thanks !
Great episode! Thanks guys!
Fantastic series.
Don’t forget Robert McNamara along with Lee Iacocca were Henry Ford II’s top “Whiz Kids” who turned Ford Motor Company around post WWII!
Lee Iacocca 'saved' Chrysler, with the help of an enormous bail-out by the peanut president courtesy of the American taxpayers.
When is part 2?
tuesday
I guess Groubert missed the part in Fog of War where McNamara says he told JFK that we had to withdraw from Viet Nam, it led to NSAM 263, we withdrew 1000 advisors, with the plan for the remaining 15,000 to come out in 1965 after the 1964 election. He missed the part and phone conversation in the movie between LBJ and McNamara saying that him and JFK discussing withdrawl from Viet Nam was "stupide." He missed the LBJ quote in in December 1963 telling the Joint Chiefs "I'll give you your damn war in Viet Nam, just get me elected in 1964." McNamara served LBJ and his MIC sponsors for the escalation in Viet Nam, it was not McNamara's idea or belief. He further wrote LBJ a memo in 1967 which LBJ never responded to, instead firing him. LeMay called the solution to the Cuban missle crisis an appeasement worse than Munich and "we lost." Groubert has it exactly backwards regarding LeMay and McNamara.
I guess Lovman ( a coward who will not under any circumstance use his real name) missed is that McNamara was a deviant liar who deceived two american Presidents then had a nervous breakdown and left office.
www.nytimes.com/2021/06/09/us/pentagon-papers-vietnam-war.html
If Lovman (a pacifist and Anti-American had bothered to read the Pentagon Papers - ironically commissioned by McNamara - he would have learned the depth on McNamara's lies.
But he has not. Instead Lovman is a cherry picker
As the leftist NY Times even states:
"The lies were repeated to the public, to Congress, in closed-door hearings, in speeches and to the press. The real story might have remained unknown if, in 1967, McNamara had not commissioned a secret history based on classified documents - which came to be known as the Pentagon Papers."
Lovman would rather blame the architects of the victory of WWII not his "professors" from college he thought we so cool.
Not his intellectual friend Robert Strange McNamara who:
"By then, he knew that even with nearly 500,000 U.S. troops in theater, the war was at a stalemate. He created a research team to assemble and analyze Defense Department decision-making dating back to 1945. This was either quixotic or arrogant. As secretary of defense under Presidents John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson, McNamara was an architect of the war and implicated in the lies that were the bedrock of U.S. policy."
It was a Democrats war: "Officially titled “Report of the Office of the Secretary of Defense Vietnam Task Force,” the papers filled 47 volumes, covering the administrations of President Franklin D. Roosevelt to President Lyndon B. Johnson. Their 7,000 pages chronicled, in cold, bureaucratic language, how the United States got itself mired in a long, costly war in a small Southeast Asian country of questionable strategic importance."
"The original sin was the decision to support the French rulers in Vietnam. President Harry S. Truman subsidized their effort to take back their Indochina colonies."
Come out of the shadows "Lovman" and into the bright sunshine of liberty. Give us your full name and background. Don't hide behind monikers throwing stones. Unless you feel it is "unsafe" for you. lol
Really fascinating stuff, cant get enough👍🏾
Missed you Again live coz your always Live during the night here in Scotland but I dont sleep good so watching you know 🏴❤
Can you guys do a show on gen macarthur?
good episode.
Mark, can we get a video on McNamara please 🙏🏼
I would love to see a biographical movie on Lemay.
There's probably a lot out there.
I have no idea if you’re planning a Robert McNamara episode, but if you do I’m dying for your take on McNamara’s Morons in Vietnam (low IQ cannon fodder).
After serving on the water tanker/troop transport USS Soubarissen when that ship earned a battle star for the Okinawa-Gunto campaign of April - June 1945, my father was transferred stateside to a defense language school. He had been selected to study Japanese in preparation for the invasion/occupation before the formal surrender occurred aboard the USS Missouri on Sept. 2, 1945. Shortly thereafter he resigned his commission and one year later married my mom who had been a wartime Navy WAVE (Women Accepted Volunteer Emergency Service). Thank you, General LeMay.
thank you so much anna. great comment
WOW this was literally mind blowing. Never learned these details growing up.