I Think I Broke the Color Pie | MTG Theories
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- The Color Pie is a delicate balancing act which shapes every Plane we visit in MTG. So what happens when that balance is disrupted and one member of the color pie became so dominant that it twisted everything around it. In this color philosophy video I did just that and broke the color pie. It's an effect we will probably never see in Magic the Gathering and yet it can be fun to make wild Theories about its effect and in that way learn more about the MTG Colors.
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Well that took a dark turn
Dicetry, here have a 🥧 its on the house.
Thanks again Dice for giving my suggestion a shot
Your suggestions have turned out to be awesome so keep em coming
@@DiceTry Is it alright if i leave a pie referance in your videos.
I would _love_ to see this expanded upon in the form of short fanfiction.
In the early days of MTG fiction, Serra's plane was artificial and all white but the lore wasnt deep enough to get into these details. Great to see all this material to enrich it
I don't think an imbalanced plane necessarily has to happen these two ways. I can see a third option, cooption. A plane where one color outweighs all others, but each other color, ally or enemy, is *used* by the primary.
As one example, an all-red plane, where the land itself shifts and changes in a wild tumult of volcanism. The strongest factions are still necessarily going to be alloyed with allies, with wild mages and beast packs running rampant among volcanic mountains and nutrient rich forests (Red/green) and raiding tribes constantly warring and slaughtering between themselves for dominance amongst the craggy landscape (Red/black). But out in the wild explorers travel to see everything they can, experimenting with barely controlled magics to glean secrets from chaos (Red/blue). And out on what stable land can be found, enclaves of religious and philosophical zealots strike out at anything that comes near to their holds, going on wild crusades against each other and the rest of the world (Red/white). Everything is very RED, but it achieves a kind of off-kilter balanced imbalance by showing itself through the other colors.
This is a much better take imo, the concept of enemy colours doesn't work for all 5 of them.
Red does not care or hate other colours, it's driven by impulse and will encourage them act on their impulses too, putting emotion before reason and being careless and direct, if that leads them to destroy themselves or eachother so be it, it does not matter.
(Tho it kinda cares, a lot, it will live every single second of it to its fullest, but it won't stop it for even the strongest of flames must burn out one day)
@@dogehkiindogeborn5339 it's not an inherent to red philosophy. White can use every other color to further the cause of order. Black will use every resource to fuel ambitions. Blue will analyze every point of data. Green knows that all things are part of the natural world.
@@addisonmartin3200 Let me rephrase it, it doesn't make sense for Red and Green to make other colours disappear because they wouldn't try to control other colours, they wouldn't even "use" them the way others would, they embrace freedom and allow it.
Blue and White on the other hand wouldn't wipe out anyone because they would keep them as slaves to their own goals, pretty much as shown in the vid.
Black is a middle ground, it doesn't reject freedom, differences or individuality but it focuses so much in personal gain that it's as likely to collaborate as it is to destroy and pillage the others
I really like them!
While watching, I'm actually picturing, a world in D&D where each kingdom, or maybe even each continent, has a different dominant color. Wonder how the characters would feel when they have to travel to different continents.
that’s Eldraine baby!
@@LunykStormdragon sounds like a plane for Dicetry to check out
The shards of Alara kind of worked like that too. There were five mini-planes, each with three colors on the color wheel. When the planes came back together, everything was messed up apparently
I'm running a campaign right now where the largest conflict can be described as "blue vs. green". It's been a great way to have a clear driving conflict that isn't "good vs. evil" or even conventional "chaos vs. order". The blue-aligned Empire is earnestly well-intentioned and egalitarian, but frequently arrogant and destructive, while the green Federation's effort to preserve traditions does not differentiate between those worthy of preservation and those that harm and oppress.
It also sounds like a book school would make you read in Literature class or an episode of Twilight Zone.
Really interesting topic! I do have a small disagreement on the Black dominated plane, as described. I don't think the way the White communities would be attacked would be through such hedonistic raiding. Rather I think those small tight communities who seek order would be exploited by black, perhaps by those in black who couldn't compete with black greater hierarchy and settled with manipulating and exploiting the simpler white community.
The idea of one color dominating the others is nifty. It becomes so consuming that it nit only alienates its allies, it all but forces their enemies to reconcile their differences to the point of becoming indistinguishable from each other. It would almost make the color pie 4 colors. Say you have black as the dominate color, the white and green would set aside their differences and unite entirely, losing any individual identiy and just becoming one combined color. This joint color can then act as the bridge between blue and red, making one big shard in a way. I need to use this for worldbuilding or something this is cool.
Thank you for the provocative thought experiments! The black mana-dominated plane sounded terrifyingly close to home. But that got me thinking. What if the white powers were convinced that the best way to achieve peace and prosperity was "balance"; that black and evil, in general, were a necessary evil [lol] while the self-indulgent wickedness of red was seen as the enemy of both black and white powers. The white mana users care more about hierarchy and peace and prosperity and do not really care who is running the hierarchy. There is this quote from Tolstoy, paraphrasing: The only people who seek power are evil or wicked since the good would never use it. What if white mana users are the secret collaborators with the black mana users running things? And the black mana users are only too happy to use white mana mages to keep dissent in check? What if Tolstoy was hinting at what he knew of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil? Much love!
Okay I REALLY like that angle of one dominant color while the other 4 band together to stand against it. It kind of creates an "Empire VS Rebels" vibe and I am totally here for it.
In this idea, the dominant color is completely dominant with no room for the others to even gain a foothold. let's look at a white-dominated plane through this lens. White crushes blue's progress for the sake of safety and domesticates green to the point of being controlled. Red is oppressed and subjugated while black is imprisoned and forgotten. White gets everything it wants within its own society; safety, community, law, order, and peace. Everyone works together for the sake of the greater whole and for a better society. Everything is uniformed, ordered, and stamped correctly. Everyone has their place in society with everything they need provided for them; governed by priests and angels who look over them.
But let's look at the other 4 who have joined together into their own society. They reject white completely, so there is no law, no order, no religion, and no peace. Now this isn't to say that there isn't unity. However, it is not driven by white's desire for society, but instead like-minded individuals banding together for a common goal. So lets see what happens without white and how the other colors create checks and balances. Blue would see things progress at any cost, but black will give blue a clear and focused direction while green will help keep blue's advancements in check. Black wants power, but is tempered by red's compassion and green's need for community. It would be chaos incarnate if red was left to its own devices, but black and blue step in to help guide and focus red's rage rather than stifling it. And the green just wants to let nature take its course without white holding it back, so blue comes in to help with its careful thinking to make sure nature survives while red adds just a dollop of chaos to the mix just as green would want. All of these colors mixed together without white's influence creates a more chaotic society, but also one where the bonds between people take priority over the laws written on a piece of paper.
Awesome breakdown this gave me a lot to think about
@@DiceTry Oh and of course who do White and this Non-White group interact and push on each other? Well in this case, it is really quite simple. White takes the role of an orderly and prosperous, maybe even well-intentioned government and the others are a rebel group that would see this government toppled. What's interesting is this opens up the idea for there being no clear cut bad guy. After all, let's say that this government is controlling, but it does actually look out for the benefits of its people and everyone enjoys a comfortable, if maybe a little stale, life. Then you have the other side, who want to see white fall and this veil of safety and security brought down? Some, like blue, would want to see this regime brought down so that true progress can be made for the betterment of all. But then there are others like in red who just want to see white burn because it is fun. You have to ask, which would you prefer? Safety, security, and prosperity in exchange for a few freedoms? OR would you like to live free, but with every day being more uncertain?
This would make a good video
I like this idea. As someone who dislikes white , for a reason your last reason is what is utmost about it . Their laws are above all. They're not the " good Guys "
Forcing people to play by rule , destroying everyone's stuff and lands , looks equal to them but not to all. Sure Green likes white , but I don't think they're like the land destruction part , Blue doesn't mind control , but I'd doubt they'd not be mad if Rules oppressed them from being more curious. As for Red and Black , let's not even talk. There is no reason for them to not dislike white.
This was amazing. I loved your ideas! Your grasp of color pie is refreshing, your voice is really soothing, and the way you present your topics is always a treat! Thanks for all your great content!
What an amazing review, thanks for this.
Love this concept! I'd love to see a similar but opposite take of "five planes that ENTIRELY lack one color"
Great video! Yet, I missed a bit your usual abstractization of color concepts. I expected the talk to be more about the prevalent traditions/mindsets, more than how exact forces of each color would be placed. But still, the pictures you've painted are very valuable both in terms of world examples, but also in showing how color-dominated *regions* may look in the same plane, how they form their surroundings.
Also... aren't we living in a black world o_o
Yeah unfrotuntily i couldnt really go into as much detail as i usually do without it being a huge video. Perhaps there is room to make a video for eaxh color. Also Black may have been based on late stage capitalism.
There are actually examples of planes that pretty closely meet these expectations. White has planes like Kaladesh and Kamigawa. Blue has Mirrodin/Phyrexia. Black has Innistrad and Capenna. Red has Ixalan. And Green has Tarkir. All of these planes do manage to have a mostly balanced color pie, but they do lean towards a color more then others as you describe them here.
Here's another take on the same concept: What if instead of the colours being seperate like here we have a plane with a dominant colour that mixes into the others. In other words: You don't have much of a mono red faction in the green dominated world but a red-green one for example. This would make things much more harmonious.
im actually more interested in seeing this as a monocolor dominated plane rather than the video. just because as is, the colors still exist, albeit subdued or oppressed. i want to see all colors fused into the dominating color. for example, a white plane being actually orzhov, selesnya, boros, and azorius operating together to serve white values.
Yeah that's what i was expecting, this is basically just alara shards.
Not "every color must bend over for the dominant color".
super fun video~
i'm now picturing Piltover as a world dominated by Blue (allied with White), and Zaun being dominated by Red (allied with Black). Silco being mono Black affects both worlds, all-the-while Green is shunned from these two sister cities, cropping up only in the people living there.. i guess it's time to rewatch your Arcane video!
I have to admit the four verses one color planes sounds like a very interesting video especially since you technically did not cover for colors in your color pie series.
How did i miss this video?! I came here from the four-color video that you posted yesterday (11/12/2023).
I remember hearing there was a story in the early days of Magic set on a plane that only had green mana. I think it was called the cursed land, or something in those lines.
Excellent Video! very interesting line of thought. I guess we live in a Black dominating society, anyway... BTW I would love to see your thoughts on the Big 5 Personality traits and/or the MBTI Personality Test and how they conceptually align with the color Pie. That would be awesome
That's actually a very interesting idea. I will look into that idea and prob make a video
I LOVE this video!
I will slightly disagree with one thing though… I don’t think a Black-dominated plane would be lawless and leaderless, overrun by gangs and clans. I think that structures and governments are an inevitability for a color obsessed with selfish ambition because the “most ambitious” person would (in theory) eventually seize control and would need a way to subjugate the rest of the plane. Ironically enough, both a White-dominant and a Black-dominant plane would gravitate toward absolute monarchies (for entirely different reasons). However, I think that a reliable governmental structure would only be sustainable for so long in a Black-dominant plane because there would be double-crosses and Shakespearean power struggles constantly. It would be a society of bottomless coups and endless failed dynasties, oppressive laws amended and struck down before the ink on the parchment dried. I think the end result would of course ULTIMATELY be anarchy, but not quite in the way this video essay presents it.
An idea in a similar vein to this one that might be fun to explore is a world where one of the colors is completely absent, and seeing how the other colors change and act without it
Now we need videos on Nephilim combos
I love to see these sorts of deep dives into color dynamics so, if you have more ideas for them, I say full speed ahead!
I definitely feel like there's still a lot of room for wotc to explore concepts like this both lore-wise and mechanically. I think planes like your examples would be a great time for them to also flesh out the colors' mechanics. What I mean is red is pretty much *always* designated "the aggro color" but mechanically it has gotten a lot of punisher cards over the years (whenever a player/opponent ____ deal damage). On the flip side, every other color has some way of going about an aggro strategy. I'd like to see wotc rotate which color(s) is the aggro, mid-range, and control deck(s) for each set so we get some variance in both flavor and mechanics while still following the color pie for the most part.
Great video. In the end I think to me the 2 vs 3 color split is the most interesting way to build your plane
We did have an example of that for a brief time. Serra's Realm was created out of just White mana, and it even had flights of angels to keep the flow of the other colors coming into their plane in check. And before Urza happened, it was a realm of pure peace.
wow, we really live in the black aligned plane
Black aligned planes are like Innistrad or Capenna. Oh wow yeah we do live in a kinda black plane.
I like the idea of a faction set where there are either 4 two color groups that each share a color, or 5 factions, each two color combo of one color and a mono color faction. I feel like that's a more natural outcome of one color being dominant, that the outliers in the dominant group that favor one color or the other would band together, or that the other colors would adopt some of the characteristics of the main one to survive
I have something like that. In one of my worlds, there are five factions each with a primary color, two ally colors and one enemy color. The represent a knightly order(w/b/g/u); wild monster hunters(r/w/b/g); a secret organization(u/r/w/b); a religious cult(b/g/u/r); and nature/wildlife preservation group(g/u/r/w).
This would be a really interesting set. Much like Tarkir or Alara. Not sure how they would do it.
First video of yours I’ve seen but now I have something to binge through. I love the ideas presented here. A plane with 4 vs 1 colour would be really interesting to explore!
Strangely enough, the restructuring of Mirrodin into New Phyrexia's layers, we get an idea similar to these depictions: realms each defined by singular traits, adversed to their opposed identities, and tolerant of adjacent ones.
The white dominant plane wonderfully mimicking Norn's orthodoxy for example.
Great video!
Video idea: what planes would look like with one colour missing entirely.
This was the premise of the shards of Alara. But what if existing planes lacked a color? What would Innistrad look like without Black? Or what would Kaladesh be without blue or white?
@@jediarcherbc709 I think he's talking more about Nephilim color combos, so like Alara but a step further
@@pathfindersavant3988 Alara, but a step behind. 4 color planes are more than 3 color shards. A step beyond Alara would be a 2 color only plane, like if only one guild controlled all of Ravnica.
This is a really interesting way to explore the relationships each color has with its allies and enemies.
The white dominated plane made me think of New Phyrexia under Elesh Norn. The black Platorean been eliminated and red dwindling but still trying to rebel. With most of the Mirrodin resistance defeated. All unified and completed, whether one wants it or not
I feel that the conflict between the dominant's colour allies should be more expected in those planes too.
For example, how would a plane dominated by White mana deal with the conflict between Green and blue? If the conflicts were dealt with too much brutality i believe that the allied colours would eventually turn into enemies
Those are some interesting thoughts that you put out there. It would be interesting to see Wizards do something like you pose in the video.
Something similar would be one color being absent and the other four trying to fill that void as best as they can.
Unsurprisingly, I think that most of these planes wouldn’t be able to maintain that status quo forever for one reason or another. Societal unrest and overextension on some or planewide resources shortage on others. All it would take is something like an errant Planeswalker to overturn these unnatural balances. Maybe the colors never achieve equality, but I think the multiverse tends to self-correct.
I think an interesting design for a Plane using this premise would be that each color has the dominant color as a choice when casting their spell.
So for example, a White Dominant Plane has each of the other colors needing either their color or white. So a 2 mana 2/2 for Green would be 1 G mana and 1 G/W mana. White would in a sense replace the generic mana.
The enemies of the non-dominant colors would not have the good graces of using their color or white, but instead are forced into submission as Gold cards that need White.
So, in gameplay, the enemies of white would exist infrequently in decks that don't dedicate to them, and every deck would be a variation of dual/tricolor decks that use White.
You could still technically use a mono color Green or Blue deck, but White would be so easily splashed in that it'd be easier to throw some white spells in for being flexible.
Meanwhile, 5 Color Decks just feel so strange, probably even feeling similar to a mono white deck that just stole the tricks of other colors.
I like this thought exercise and I would like to see the specifics of these hypothetical planes fleshed out further.
I've wondered about this idea also! It seemed to me like New Phyrexia was heading in this direction, with Elesh Norn's faction gaining the most dominance over the plane, conquering Sheoldred and Urabrask and gaining the compliance of Jin Gitaxias and Vorinclex. I thought it would become a plane dominated by the white mana faction in which all other factions have elements of the Machine Orthodoxy's version of compleation.
Either that or an evil version of Bant, which would be awesome.
Interesting thought experiment. I would imagine that each type of world would develop a shard. Maybe this can become a view for Alara or even New Capena. The white world is like Bant. The blue world is like Esper. The black world is like Grixis. The red world is like Jund. The green world is like Naya.
Really enjoyed this one, I appreciate your creative, worldbuilding-type videos. I'd be interested in having this idea developed further, and hearing more ideas for different ways the colors could be expressed in new planes. Just to toss an idea your way - what would five religions each based on one of the colors look like? There could be a plane that was a battlefield of a holy war between the five fanatical religious factions.
I made a plane like this once. It's where my Planeswalker concept originally came from. Basically a Plane that was forcibly conquered by angels, pushing everyone unwilling to comply into the dark and treacherous parts of the plane to foment rebellion. A rebellion "lead" and fueled by said Planeswalker concept who has yet to spark. A bitter old man driven by spite and loss to raise the dead and bind spirits to fight for said rebellion, making their armies endless even as they fall because what is a person but their meat and their soul and he can sew them back together as many times as necessary as long as they have drive to get back in the fight.
While watching the white segment, my mind continuously thinks of the world of Elden Ring. Not in its current state, but the way it was before the inevitable crumbling. A land ruled by kings and the holy order, nearly everyone worshipping one pantheon, and outside of some places I would consider multicolored (rays lucaria denizens as Azorius, Caelid denizens as Mardu) the widest population of the Lands Between want for order, unity, and one rule. The places and people that are distinctly Not White, like Ranni or the inhabitants of Volcano Manor, are outcasts and forced to live fringe lives in the shadows. It really feels like a mono-white world fallen to the ultimate ruin that being as unbalanced as that would lead to.
There are already panes with predominant colors like Innistrad being black, Amonkhet black-white, Zendikar green...
Most interesting, though I have to quibble about blue shoving off green and destroying nature. I think, for my own lore development, that a blue schism between working with green (biomimicry) and not presents some fascinating opportunities. Kudos for sparking thought!
Great video this idea is really interesting and cool. But all I can think about is how much I love Alara and it's shards. I really feel like each shard has a dominant colour similar to the ideas in this video.
Esper is definitely blue dominant
Naya is Green dominant
Jund is red dominant
Bant is White dominant
and Grixis is black dominant.
So basically
White: totalitarianism
Blue: technocracy
Black: unregulated capitalism
Red: tribalism
Green: anarchy
I like the ideas here another that would be interesting is where a color is almost missing
A hint for a 4 color study at the end?
Perhaps
I think there's another option where there is a dominant color and it influences how the other colors behave without directly controlling them.
Congrats. You rebuilt shards of alara
It's definitely interesting to think about. I always had an idea of a plane where one of the leylines never reached it or was shut off somehow and one of the colors didn't exist... but your showing of what the creatures if the planes would do in a maligned plane make me believe that a plane like that couldn't exist. That there would always be some creature expressing or being an avatar of that color in the world no matter how small. Like trying to imagine a universe without carbon
We need the 4 colour combination videos!
i think inastrad is a good example of an unbalanced plane but its that black is warping every color around it.
Instead of mostly just shards, I think it would be more likely that the dominant colour would absorb their allies leaving very little left if those colours. For example if green was the dominant colour, it would reclaim it shared portfolio of red and white. Slowly eroding away at its ally’s claim to existence. You have a wG faction a rag faction and a G faction. The capitals shown a dominant role in the colour pairing. And then the next dominant force would be the union of the enemy colours, green couldn’t as easily take their identity so they wouldn’t be assimilated. So a black and blue faction.
That does only give us four factions so maybe it would look more like Gw, Gr, rB, BU, Uw with mechanical overlap between the Gw and Gr oppressor factions making them branches of the same super faction. rB and Uw would be refugees, spies, divergent thinkers and freedom fighters who sort asylum with like minded people and communities adding value but not an equal part, the asylum factions. And last BU would be focused of opposing the G super faction completely using kill spells, creature focused counterspells, maybe even poisoning or bouncing land. Fully capable of utilising the mechanic of the asylum factions, why playing their roll as the rebels faction. This gives us more of a wedge shape to the colour pie, not because those colours are all dominant but because of the size of greens representation taking up 1/4 to 1/2 of white and red territory and purpose. The best way to do that from a game design aswell would be to make sure white and red have quality over quantity like cheap wraths, cheap exile effects, good burn and haste creature. That way if you do find yourself in red or white you’re not struggling to get playables.
Interesting video, though I wonder if, on a plane with one color dominant, the enemy colors would be bent towards the dominant one, like the allies are.
So, for example, on a blue dominanted plane, red would become more like Izzet, utilizing chaos and emotion to gain bursts of insight, or expressing oneself through research and invention. Meanwhile green would become more like Simic, seeking to understand nature and their traditions and see what could be improved.
a green dominant world sounds the most ideal to me
White: Fascist
Blue: Fascist
Black: Capitalist hellscape
Red: Everything is fucking awesome!
Green: Ecofascist
Reject modernity. Go back to Goblin!!!
And this is why the colors need their enemies to balance themselves out.
Black dominated plane is basicly Phyerxia
Phyrexia is colorless-dominated. They want everything taken into their "perfection" and would strip planes of their existing mana to do so. A black plane is more like Innistrad or New Capenna.
@@jediarcherbc709 Well its the artefacts plane of mirrondin that was corrupted by the black mana influence of Yawgmoth
Most old Phyerxia card are black and mechanically a lot of non black New Phyerxia card have capacity usally associated with black like elesh norn -2 -2 on other creatures
So maybe not dominated by black but black definitely has a big influence on the plan
I would watch several videos based on this maybe one based on each guild
Always appreciate the rather nuanced take on color from you. When you only understand the surface of colors, it's easy to think something like "Red will let everyone have freedom and will never be the oppressor." While in actuality, Red can the oppressor despite being the color of freedom. White can the one who fight for the oppressed despite being the color of strict lawfulness.
MTG colors aren't just defining themselves in a vacuum. They're defining and being defined by each other, perhaps even more so.
The combination of these colours would be interesting and pushing it "beyond simic and rakdos". I feel like there are more expressions to be had and it's a great topic. The Gruul world would be something i would love to explore as it personally seems ideal
"With no one color truly overpowering the others"
WotC: Hold my beer
Consider the inverses of these theories...
Dominant color planes where enemy colors are allowed to thrive instead of ally.
Where one color dominates, the differences of the enemies are needed or fostered, making the three of them stronger through competition and adversity. A very green and white idea, unsurprising since each wedge has green or white
Blue dominated sounded a lot like new Phyrexia to me
Black sounds very... Familiar.
Black shard sounds like new capenna almost
Genius on channel name tho.
my set project idea was alittle like this but most likely be too gimmicky being 1/5 monocolored and 4/5 multicolored of one color and it would take 5 sets to complete all five colors; i would make an interesting cube
Would that not be the perfect explanation for something like Ravnica's Nephilims? What else could have brought together so many colors?
I wanna see the four vs one video!
The sooner the better!
How would a colorless dominated world work?
As I see it, 2 ways:
1. The moon: barren, empty, ripe for the taking
2. Buzz Lightyear meme “Robots! Robots Everywhere!”
That already existed. Mirrodin aka Argentum aka New Phyreixa, prior to the 5 suns and the Phyrexians. It was both of the things the other person said. Basically a metal moon with robots everywhere.
@@jediarcherbc709 Makes sense. The five colors were just basic versions of themselves
You could even go a step further by an omnipresent controll color . That color would be the only one appearing as monocolor and everything else does include this color. While this may appear even more oppressive toward other colors it dosent necesssrily is so, since even enemy colors are more incorpprated in this system. For example in a Blue world, nature would still exist only that would be far more ordered and controlled, things like emotion and passion would also exist only more directed and guided toward progress.
Another way this could go is not with the enemy colors being oppressed, but incorporated. For example, Simic characters may exist in a Blue dominated world as botanists and zoologists and conservationists, while on a Green dominated world they exist as druids and shamans. On a White dominated world Orzhov characters would exist as corrupt politicians and priests, while on Black dominated worlds the may instead be working to ensure someone powerful that funds them stays in power.
You can also assume that it may be that there is a triplicate society (TS), and the apposing two colors having a union (TCU). Instead of being suppressed, TCU is at about equal power to their wannabe oppressors.
Breaking the color pie by remaking the shards of alara
Still hoping to see a deeper look into this.
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Black dominated is just cyberpunk
There are a few Black dominant planes in other media. Like in Dark Souls or Warhammer. When it comes to the Force Star Wars is Green dominated if you think about it. Discworld as far as I know is Red dominated. LotR seems Green or White dominated. But I can't think of anything for Blue...
Look for sci fi for pure blue
The Culture come to mind
Okay, so, correct me if this is a different idea, but I'm not sure this goes deep enough into such an imbalance in the colors. If you think what I'm saying constitutes the same idea, great. If not, let's say my thought might be called Infection by a mana color.
So hear me out. In a realm that was dominated by one mana, I feel like what we would see is that color being the only way to survive with any power. To exist in that realm would be to have a touch of that color, at least from a power center perspective.
As an example, in the white dominant realm, instead of the color pie being white, blue, black, red, and green, we would instead see white, azorius, orzhov, boros, and selesnya.
If we think in terms of the card game, imagine a set where only one color was allowed basic lands. Plenty of people use special lands that provide multiple mana or allow you to pick the color, but if the only basic land allowed were plains, a player trying to use a Rakdos deck might find themselves on the back foot, especially considering a lot of special lands have costs to them.
From a roleplay perspective, in that same example, to not include white mana is to be risking death. Sure, someone on that realm might be a combination of red and black mana, but in a world where all the groups of power either are pure white, or include white, that Rakdos person would likely be stamped out quickly like a cigarette in a forest by *any* of the power centers. Essentially, if white is not a part of your mana pool, you're choosing to play at a severe disadvantage.
This reminds me something I read, but can’t remember where, that some Planes feel one Colour dominated. The example given was Ravnica feeling very White.
Here’s another way a one Colour dominated Plane could look regarding its enemies, taking White as an example. One this Plane; Black would be the ruthlessness used to maintain the order White desires, Red the use of extra-legal actions to that end.
Is it me or do these example planes not illustrate the organic process by which shards are formed? When white dominates red and black are pushed out, and a Bant identity emerges centered around the ideals of white
Black for the Win
Could you make a "colors in other media" about whole universes and whether or not the story's philosophy differs?
ok hear me out
W: Fiora
U: Kamigawa/Kaladesh
B: Capenna
R: Tarkir(dragons)
G: Ikoria
Okay so you literally just described Bant. Basically verbatim
afther you do the "1 dominant colors vs 4 minor colors" video... how do you fell about a "4 color world" a world with a "singular missing color" or at the very least VERY weak to near non-existance.
I've been thinking how I want to talk about 4 color and honestly this was my thought as a way to go about it
So, a black dominant plane would be the cyberpunk world?
Now here's a question, what colour is _our_ plane's most dominant one?
I know some would disagree, but I would vote blue.
Only issue I have is that you mentioned free markets and suffering in the same sentence. People thrive when there is freedom of choice in an open economy. Black as a color is selfish, but not evil. It wants. Greed is its sin, like all humans. And given a free market on earth, most people's lives get better
Actually there was that 1 set that was almost entirely black
red didn't enjoy the first two planes
I feel like a bunch of these are just the alara planes with the other colours minimized instead of removed. Kind of dissapointed.
I'm wondering what the united states dominant color is, black?
Each color has it's own good and bad
I dislike White the most ( if I had to choose )
I like Black the most ( if I had to choose )
However I dislike Black's deeper philosophy
White's main thing I dislike are Rules over people's life , and Basandra Seraph ( she's everything I dislike about white , altho it's Boros type of whiteness )
I dislike about green is inability to adapt because the world itself adapts
I dislike about blue is inability to understand , not everything needs to be some science experiment related stuff
I dislike about red is it's haste and rage . The fire burns itself as much of somewhat of what it might burn more to others.
I relate to red in past. not anger but haste. Anxiety is the keyword
I related to black in none ways but I think Black color itself is cool and I have a thing for darkness not it's practise. Probably the only Black thing I have is Greatness as any cost. When I want to win I will sacrifice my health for it.
I relate to blue in curiosity . All times learning new things and going deep thoughts about it
I relate to white in terms of peace but not rules. I believe in helping others but not binding rules .
I relate to green however in none. Except very least is , want to care for nature and animals. I myself am not a green creature with Trample , Shroud and Reach.
But we'd be fine with 80% green cards 🌚
You Monster!!!
@@DiceTry I mean questing beast and the rest of eldraine exist
black just felt like you described the United States....
I don´t think you´re even gonna read this but I´ll say it anyway. I don´t think your way of putting black is quite right, I don´t think black is necessarilly about immorality as you say many times, I think black is the selfish side of us. It is not a bad thing, Black see you as an unique individual that have desires and you must have ambition, that´s what I think black is all about: Ambition, ambition to do anything that takes to acomplish your objectives.
But then I ask this. What is the one thing that gets in the way of ambition? Black would say morality, it is the flimsy rules people place on themselves that black has no time for. It is not the opposite of morality but rather the lack of recognition in its validity. Morality is a construct of White.
@@DiceTry oh my god, I can't believe you actually red this hahahaha. Anyway, I understand your point of view, it makes sense and I will not say that you're wrong. But I wouldn't put it that way, and I don't know exactly how I would put it too, but black can love and care for someone, not everything that it's black is a psychopath by definition (although the cards really do not help thinking this way haha). I know that love, care and Morality aren't the same thing, but to love someone you have to have some code, not necessarily the one that society created, but some moral code even if you as a character or person don't think exactly about it: "I will not kill my friends for money because when I am with them I feel nice", I don't know, I think black would see it more like this.
Sorry for the big text, but I am really liking your videos because I think the color pie is a really cool subject and I like to argue about it, specially about black.
I have a feeling that you, as a creator, just really do not like Black mana in the slightest.
Every single demonstration had Black mana representation as nearly comic book villain tier.
I get that, though you'll find that for my videos where I'm talking about world building ect where each color doesn't allow for much nuance I go with the MTG route of black = evil. If you want to see me talk about the good side of Black you'll have to check out my color philosophy videos where I have more time to get into the depths of each color.