Still the BEST tank in World of Tanks???
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2023
- The AMX M4 54 was nerfed hard this patch in World of Tanks but is it still the best in the game?
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I remember when the is3 first came out and was most feared
and IS7 is a dream
And driving it nowaday... feels SO underwhelming 😢
Remember when I wasn't meeting hulldown monsters 24/7
IS3 was just too strong for tier 8. I remember steamrolling about anything back in time. Made it Master class and my best score with this tank.
It had a better turret too. The T-10’s turret.
To be honest I liked having an OP tech tree tank in the game. It gave the chance to play to people who don't own 279e or Cheiftain
Everyone has that chance to play with 279, all tasks are same for everybody🤷🏻♂️
@@mucahit8476 Yes but having the chance to get isn't the same as definitely being able to get by grinding xp. Some people just won't be able to finish missions.
@@mucahit8476 let's not be toxic, you need to be a very good player to get that not achievable for average and casual player
fuck that. at least the 279 and chief are rare. having to deal with this gay shit every game was annoying as fuck
I do not want another Kranvagn in this game so I say balance ALL the tanks so that no one is OP
QB, it would be really interesting if you made a video about the history of over powered tanks, showing us a reply of when it was overpowered, and letting us know how well they perform nowadays. You could look at the T57 heavy like you mentioned, the Foch 155, the Kranvagn, Obj. 268v4, etc etc
Look up his "Before it was nerfed" videos. Granted, there aren't a lot of them (and mostly cover older tanks that were insanely OP like the Foch), but they do cover exactly what you suggest.
@@christiankroemer4267 yeah I guess your right. It’s been a while since he’s done one though eh
i think the AMX M4 54 went back to where it came from : with equipement, you can actually make the nerfed version have the same stats than the pre buffed version. So idk how it still got 50% or why it had 44% before
pre buffed amx had 2.1k base dpm, the correct version have 2.4k, the pre buff version also only have 60 mm of side armor so you couldn't angle at all or you will just get penned in the side
also it had very bad gold pen
@@durachoks The bigger gun still have very bad gold pen
@@igozi5728 it’s ap so it has better normalization than apcr so it’s effective pen is a bit higher the pen on big gun is fine after buff
because good players started to play it. That's why the WR seems higher than it actually is when average guy plays it.
OI-exp, an 100 ton tank that could go 40kmph and you could only pen it with gold and it fired a 150mm howitzer.
I believe it was a 100mm gun or a 120mm howitzer, but yeah, that tank was SUPER fun before the nerfs
bullcrap, it armor was also significantly worse than it is now. Back then it had like 75 mm of armor, so every tier 5 tank and higher could pen it with regular rounds. Yes, it had a powerful gun and was fast, but it wasnt invincible hence making it more of a glass cannon especially in equal and higher tiered mms.
It was 100 mm with 130pen and 300 alpha, and the other was a short 12cm gun
Yeah i have two pool medals in that tank,both times killed more then 10 tanks,first time killed 11,and second time 12,i did over 4k dmg in second game :)
Still one of my favorite tanks in the game. Also just looks cool, a bunker on tracks
Maybe you were thinking more recent, but I'm surprised the WT auf E-100 didn't make it into your history of OP tech tree tanks. Or any of the others from your before it was nerfed series
At least for a while in the game a tech tree was competitive with the reward heavies like the chieftain or the object
Use vz 55
Or S.Conq
@@durachoks true S.Conq is better on some hill maps because of the size and depression
@@joaoguilherme9034 also if you like positional fighting, S.Conq will be alot beter, Vz plays more like heavy med
cs 63 ?
I'm used to playing the big fat maus. So anything faster then that is too much speed for me 😂
My win rate absolutely tanked in the AMX 54 after the nerf - got picked off so easy when I had to stop and aim for so long.. So I'm back on the 120mm again, thanks to this vid - Hope it'll improve my results ^^
I stopped grinding after the nerf but, I guess it’s worth taking another look at this tank. As always, great video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with all your sweaty subs! 😅
fair result ... for me is see also more the advantage of the smaller gun now ... still a good tank which feels quite good with its armor. Trying to reach the S. Q. and the VZ55 for now but the French BB comes next :)
I was grinding the AMX 65t when they announced the nerf and thought about dropping the line for a different HT, but seeing how it was still at the top for winrate and WN8 I decided to finish it. Just dropped down my list behind the S. Conqueror
AMX M4 54 was pretty op with 560 laser. Let’s be real if you care about wins and marks you only load straight up gold ammo. After nerf is still alright, remained 56% winrate on my AMX same as pre nerf. Not the craziest nerf like how they butchered Kranvagn.
I use 400 alpha gun on Tier 9 before buff and it was really nice, I didn't play when they buff it, cos i had that feeling they over did it, so will just wait for balance, so i don't miss that buffed power later on.
i played it yesterday and is performing very well, still
Out of some 30,000 battles, I have less than 200 Tier 10 battles. Anything higher than tier 8 has little interest in me. I don't play enough, don't pay enough and don't stay up on the game to play effectively at those tiers. Tier 4-8 is where the fun is.
E75 bored you?
No , tier 10 is screwed up
@@prich0382 E75 was pretty good when it came out, but now struggles unless you want to spend a fortune on gold ammo. I still have mine, but as I recall it is tier 9
bond vents, bond rammer and that experimental t3 turbo thing is just unballanced as all hell
vents doesnt do much, use hardening instead
T110e5 when first came out was OP AF... Object 263 when tier 10 was a troll joke to face. Foch 155 was OP back in time , I one clipped anyone in front of me... T30 when tier 10 was feasrome.. Batchat made you shit your pants, IS3... and many more tank were crasy strong 10-12 years ago. Today there is soo much powerfull tanks and gold spammer with premium better than techtree tanks, reward tanks are completely broken and so on... Thats why I run a T110e3, To spam gold right in face of the Chiefcrap and 279er. Trust me, its worth it :)
Have they adjusted update 1.20.1 and addressed any other issues with the game that people tend to complain about? I have not been playing
Can't wait for tomorrow's video on update 20.1
I think that the vz55 is better if you can play this tank (it's not that much of a challenge actually)
I would say its okay to use premium consumables, because you can grind the credits and buy at a 50% discount. Thats what I also do
they usually wait till I get the next OP tank, then nerf them
I think by far, the most overpowered tank was the 268 v4. Not only was it overpowered, it had nearly no frontal weakspots to pen and had insane mobility.
Your talking about the obj268v4 bombing around for ages before getting nerfed. Just look at the ebr lol
Hi, suggestion for a new video- How to penetrate top 10 most armored tanks in wot? (could be really useful for many os us there) Thanks for the videos!
The 3D style gives this tank 50% more armor
Exactly
What’s the voice nation of the crew or is this an event crew?
best in the game? not sure
Best tank on the tech tree to be competitive w/ the OP reward tanks? Definitely
together w/ the S Conq - tech tree tankers have options
Is it really competitive versus tank like 279e? When you meet 279e in AMX what are you going to do with your 300 pen? Scratch 279s paint, while he farms you?
@@durachoks Competitive? notsomuch vs OP Campaign tank
but stands a better chance than some of the other options
@@durachoks I never had an issue penning the 279e with my "crap" pen. Mainly because the amx is tall enough that it can shoot directly down onto the armor. In cw I felt far more comfortable facing chiefs and 279e's in an AMX than I did in the s conq. But the hard alpha good gun handling and prenerf speed meant that it could be a viable counter to those tanks.
@@dougstephen6180 cmoon, no issue? only TD gold has no issue penning 279e. Amx will struggle unless you are very close, if you have some distance you will bounce a lot, or will have to hit cupola
@@durachoks Only td gold? Nah, I also play the 5a allot in cw and 340 heat burns through 279e's as well. But I still stand by what I said. The AP had better normalization that even though it's pen was only 295 it was still able to pen. Last night I tried the 120......ugh it just doesn't even feel the same.
Sadly though I can't make the tank work even in the unnerfed state back then, I do have to admit it's still a great tank but man I just can't make any french tank work aside from the 25t. Skill issue I know.
Nah i dont care about pro players saying " your win rate bad " stop caring about stats dont matter just help you team you dont need to have enough skill to carry a team they die and they blame you because you cant carry i always say 2 words "fuck you" and i block them after that
This tank was not toxic or overpowered. It simply keeps up with the meta. This nerf is terrible for clan / comp players, because this was the only reasonable substitute for a chieftain. Just one less tank to use in an already stale clan meta.
My WR is around 45%, I'd say. Better than my overall WR. Maybe not the best anymore but it's really good.😂
The answer is no, its not.
It is still one of the better ones though. Probably in the same class as 60tp and 277/5a, and still way better than is7, rino or kranvagn
@@JWil97 bro whats wrong with kran? It has the turret autoloader and gun depression. I dont see any major flaws with it
True, There are "No" Best Tanks, thanks to WeeGee Balancing
@@lazygamez7280 Speed and gun got nerfed to the ground.
@@Feet_Factory have you ever played the tank? its top speed was 60 but it never hit it anyways. The speed changes are tiny. The gun nerfs are bigger but its still god tier on a ridge
Tech Tree Heavy tanks, in terms of balance with each other, are in the best place they have been in ages. No one tank stands as the best and the win% difference between almost all of them (other then the worst two) is insignificant. Object 268 Version 4 and the Mino nerfs are next. It is just a matter of time.
mino is not that OP
have 48% win ratio
needs some buff on mobility
@@ASSASSIN19923 then you are worse than avarage player congrats.
@@ASSASSIN19923 mino is that OP - it's effectively a super heavy assault vehicle and it doesn't need a mobility buff - it's way faster than the maus and that is reasonably strong.
@@grandadmiralraeder9608 bigger problem tanks are 279e or t95/fv4201 or BZ 176
only few talks about nerf 279e or t95/fv4201 and BZ 176 but WOT doesn't care
@@ASSASSIN19923 its 52% and the second highest WR of any tech tree Tier 10
a naval gun on a turreted ground vehicle
have you heard about new flamethrower mechanic being tested right now?
Quiky how come you don't address the massive overcharges from auto repair and resupply even when you take it off auto resupply they still blatantly overcharge look under battle results in the detailed reports
Ok so should I go for AMX M4 54 or AMX 50 B? Which one would you recommend?
M4 54 way better
50b is hard af tank to play and sadly you get matched with tanks like maus or e100 or any other true heavy.
Which means that in games where there are 2 heavys, your team has 50b and enemy team has maus.
@@imma5761 Thank you so much! I really appreciate your opinion. Have a good day!
Is-4 is a beast for a tech tree tank too
Heavily underrated. I bough it and in first 5 games in it i completed that annoying union blocking mission
If only they gave it 10 more rounds
I played this game 6 or 7 years before and now ı want to play it again for my free time. So, what would you advise me for the heavy tank tree? What do you think about ıs7 and s.conquerer?
DONT
IS-7 is just ok, Super Conq is still one of the best T10 heavies.
S.Conq is the best heavy.
what mode for shade enemy that is behind cover?
Remember this tank back in 2019 barely anyone use???
Yeah that was good time for me using M4 54 the underdog
i think it was almost the same before the buffs, but people just did no play it. in many ways it is worse now, than it was before the buffs. and of course, the 120mm is the way to go. the buffed version of it was just a small grace time for the 130mm, as WG wanted people to grind this tank and buy it. it was a masterful credit sink from the game. and now, as players are more used to the tank and actually have it, they play it. it perform better not because it is better than before the buffs, it is just played. no one really played it before.
Coluld you please explain how the overmatching mechanics work in a video?
In short, if the mm of your gun/shell is three times the armor thickness it will always penetrate. So a 122mm gun will always pen a 40mm plate, regardless of the angle. A 119mm will not (if it existed).
@@easkj5652 so 120mm should pen aswell
No, it has to be at least 1mm over the 3x.
@@easkj5652 aight
whats the best cpu (amd or intel) for professional streamers? (we have some arguement here and we want to ask the right person to solve it :)
Pssst... Quickie - the thing on the end of the barrel is a muzzle BRAKE.
Any news on the "***k WoT players up their arses" patch coming up ? The last thing on the forums was posted today "[...} we have been hard at working compiling everything that's been said over the last few weeks and I know folks have been tapping their foot waiting. As I said a week ago, I do not want to jump the gun yet and give out details until everything is fleshed out.", yet the patch is set to come out in 2 days, so I don't really get what's up. They haven't said anything about delays, so either that comment is bull or they'll release the patch as is (or with very minor changes ) with the promise of "better things to come".
As a CC Quicky, have you got an update on the situation or at least asked for one ?
Dont forget QB has WOT as a job plays for hrs has OP crew and Bond equipment. Most tanks probably OP when he plays.😊
I hope the un-nerf the speed of the M4 54. The original promise of the tank was big, fast with a decent gun and good gun depression. It was an 80 ton tubro mounted for fun 1v1 bully.
Ok, but what game would you play if wot didn't exist? Which game can give the same vibe?
Hey QuickyBaby, I know you dont like wot console but you should give it a go and review the centurion avre
I want to hear you opinion on the tank! 😂 very curious
I used to play this game to death but this is exactly the kind of thing that made me stop playing altogether. I do not play this anymore, ever. Broken tank comes out, idiotically broken, fills the matchmaker, you have no chance while playing anything else, plus loading pay to win gold rounds. Gets nerfed, the peeps just move on to the next broken thing and so the cycle begins.
Example is I loved the E100 Tier X German heavy and played it with my mate in a top tier matchup. We get destroyed by two 279e tanks literally driving out in the open and spamming HEAT and our turrets. No tactic or skill is needed anymore, get a broken tank and press 2, you win.
Two marks of shame?
when you compare it to the times before it got buffed, it is now worse than before, it is in its worst state ever....
and in those days YOU said its crap...
aim time got worse, speed got worse, dispersion got worse... just a bit more dpm and shell velocity
so in your words it must be now CRAP again
You remember the 10 minutes when a tech tree tank was the meta tank?...
Peperidge farms remembers...
Type 5 heavy was also disgusting for a year or so..
As an F2P player, this tank hasn't changed for me. I've always used the 120 mm because haha 270 mm pen cheap.
I have amx m4 mle 54 but in wot blitz
The SU 26 caused a lot of tears...
After next crew 2.0 patch.
This tank was never overpowered nor was it toxic
It simply kept up with the meta. Decent but not amazing armour, decent gun, decent mobility
It was never amazing though. Just strong
The way WG keeps nerfing the Progetto 65 you would think it was the most OP tank ever. WG be like the the 279e has a 58% win rate, nerf the Progetto 🤣....Yep I'm still salty about it. Rock on QB 🤘😎
thnx
they nerfed this just a week or 2 after I bought it
Good Things
Talking of design, putting a quad flak on turret roof is a waste of both ammo and gun.
Ah yes, nerf the tech tree tanks, don’t touch the broken reward tanks.
So, is playsforfree going to continue its run once the game goes 100% P2W?
I'm totally unable to have a decent battle in M4 54. Lately, it gets killed in the first minutes. The weak spots are too known. Everyone just gets them nearly every time. There is no way I can angle this tank. It just needs to be hidden away not to receive incoming shells. But that makes it impossible to do much/any damage yourself. I truly can't see how this is the best tank in the game.
Thanks! Awesome video as usual. Working my way to this tank, but since I suck it is taking a long time to get there.
Well since he hasn't said thank you I'll say it for him. Thanks for selflessly giving him your hard earned money. Much praise.
Imho...tvp t50/51 and old legend 705a👍
I have not played WOT in a long time. I think by the time I grind to get a decent lineup they will nerf it and then I get to start over...
I dont know i can never drive so forward on prokhorovka cos i got hit from the hill. This is one lucky battle.
I mean, qb only did it after his team won the hill for a reason. If you don't have the hill, you can't make that play
People asked for an arty nerf, an armor (and hulldown) meta is what they are going to get. It turns out Arty is still an necessary evil, surprise surprise.
I would argue that WG overbuffing a tank when it is either new or few people have it is intentional. Encourage players to use gold and free xp to get the flavor of the month fast.
Once they figure there is declining value in gold (which is mostly paid for with real money) conversions they nerf it. Just look at the last 8-10 years of their increasingly aggressive monetization strategies i.e. (cough recent 1.20.1) initial plan.
That and/or they are incredibly incompetent at game balancing. Take your pick or mix of the two.
I would really like to see your build for this tank in detail. I could take BIA, food consumable, and full accuracy build, and my aim circle would easily be 1.5x the size of yours, especially on the 120 mm. AMX M4 tanks have been so underwhelming for me with how bad their armor is and how inaccurate they are.
It feels worse than the pre original buff version, I played around 300 games in it before it got the original buffs. . The gun just doesn't want to behave at all. . The armour was never amazing tbh, It was only the speed and the great gun that made it good imo.
i always thought the 60tp was way too owerpowered.😀
Lol how?
how is the Chieftain and 279 non Toxic in a game, WG
T54 E11 ?
It’s still good but never the monster everyone made it to be. I run bond hardening, bond turbo and bond rammer on mine. 57% WR.
If no one’s figured it out yet, wargaming rotates the best tanks at tier 10 cause they know people will spend money to grind a line to get a tank. Then when as many people get it as they want they need it and buff the next one, remember the kranvagn?
12k combined gee whiz….
Just another tank you have to shoot good at
When is Frontline 2023?
Never saw a reason to use the 130mm....Always use the 120....Its far superior for gun handling, pen and reload.
Just kinda curious, like why do ppl on this game always point to the best tank based on WR ? I mean the website give us the WN8 which is the total accumulation of the tank performance based on the tank and not win/loose, cause like cmon, I played ten of thousand time on this game and u know win on this game is almost based on luck, 15/15 real player and rarely 1 or 3 ppl is enough to carry the match.
It is obvious that the best from the beginning is Type 59.
from watching this cideo i think this tank is really good but i would have been really toxic if it had like 3000 hit points
When the crew 2.0 will kick in,this tank will start kicking people.
1.20.1 update rather
So tomorrow lmao
I really don’t like this skin , I find it hard to pinpoint the cupolas with it
M4 54 is a big size version of leopard :))))
It's so funny what you are saying. Amx was good because there was at least one tech three tank to challange early and chifteain. And now it's better isn't it? They can just go through everyone
AMX was never a problem for Chief and 279e, they can pen it easily while AMX will struggle to play vs them. AMX was perfect farming machine, not competition for chief or 279
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yeah but will less speed (35 instead of 40), the tank is worse than before with the 120mm gun since it was touch by WG more than a year ago...
113 is the best tank now with the buff of 13- of depresion
speaking of 113, QB it would be amazing if you'd be able to do a master class video for that tank :)
13 degrees gun depression?
stupid frontal armour
because they can't create balanced vehicles and balanced maps I gave up finally this year after many years of saying I would but there's no more love for me here and I never bothered to race thru the French heavy line as I knew that as soon as I got to tier 10 they'd nerf it. But this happened to me every time from the E5 on. I played exactly 2 games in the E5 and havent touched it since ( won both games did nothing useful in them seemed pointless)
Obj 258v5? Obj279e?
Now nerf the Chieftan and 279e For fucks sake
It was competitive with 40kph, SConq gun handling, 2400 base hp, and 3100 effective DPM. Not OP, competitive. The turret armor is difficult to use (weakspots, and cannot turn to side without getting penned). The hull armor always has a large weakspot to standard rounds if your gun can see the enemy. Cannot sidescrape at all And the pen is one of the lowest. They nerfed the mobility and hp so that it would be on par with SConq, better front hull and better alpha in exchange for hull down, sidescrape, and DPM. Now they nerfed the crap out of this to make this barely better than Panzer 7. Why was it doing so well? In its best state this tank attracted the good players because it was enjoyable. I was at 5200 combined in its best state and couldn’t even 2 mark. They nerfed it and I still couldn’t 3 mark it. Shows how many super unicorns were playing it…
lol not op at all, people having better scores than in a Chief and 279e xD lets call it competitive