Yeah, well the same combo meal at any major fast food chain was also half the price back then as they are today. I guess that means Elon and team suck at predicting inflation costs, or they are just like every other product maker who start out with expensive prices that gradually decreases as production and supply improve overtime. Model 3 used to be $45k for the base model, they eventually reached $35k but barely anyone bought it because most people like bells and whistles. Inflation causes suppliers to increase costs, which then brings more inflation as cost of goods are affected. Elon could make it so that they sell each vehicle at a loss like every other brand selling EVs today, but they are set on making a profit in order to keep the business healthy and growing so they have to price their products with that in mind. Specially since they don’t have an ICE vehicle market to fall back on when demand for EVs drop drastically. Class dismissed.
Most of Elon's work has been to keep Wall Street happy, no matter how the vehicles turn out. But the company is entering reality now and needs a mature executive at the helm, and a plan going forward. However we still have Lotus and Aston Martin so Tesla can remain a small niche maker of odd vehicles.
How are EV sales up in every country YoY and crashing at the same time? Autoline said, "EV sales are down." Now Autoline says, "EV sales are up." How are both true?
Truth or spin? It's a big intelligence test to parse it out. The fact is that BEV share of global vehicle sales grows annually and hasn't decreased at all in recent years. We should expect that trend to continue.
The funny thing was the report yesterday on GM (and JV) sales in China. The actual news was that their ICE sales in China have dropped precipitously, while their EV sales have grown substantially. But the reporting was worded in the most obfuscating way possible. Same with the report on BMW. In both of these cases, it was not a drop the *growth* of ICE sales, it was a major drop in actual sales of ICE vehicles. Please, AD, call it what it is.
Some people disappointed with the timeline: The Osborne Effect occurs when announcing a future product kills sales of the current one. Adam Osborne announced a new computer before its release, making customers wait, which tanked sales of the existing model, leading his company to bankruptcy. Essentially it's like saying "Don't buy this now; wait for the better version," only to realize you've just shot your own sales in the foot.
@@danharold3087 There's just one small problem. VW actually produced some EL1 vehicles. How many years has Elon been talking about FSD? 12 years? How many drivable CyberCab's to this date? Wouldn't it be nice if adults could easily get in and out of this sports machine called a CyberCab.
Probly not. Not only are you not driving, you can't drive it. The car will do the same thing regardless of whether it's a 50 year old professional driver with a flawless driving record in the car, or a box of used clothing.
Just one question. If a true Full Self Driving car is determined to be the cause of an accident, is the "driver" or the manufacturer liable? Using supervised FSD responsibility usually falls on the driver.
@@wolfgangpreier9160 The person who owns the car is the person that purchased and licensed the car. But the question the court will answer is who is at fault.
@@cratecruncher4974 Yes, that will always be the question the courts have to answer - when it comes to the court. And if the courts decide it was the Software, then the manufacturer will be liable. It is not in any way or form different to the manufacturer or a fridge or a plane or any tool which hurts people. They will be held liable if the court decides it was their fault. Why shoul it be different with Software?
CEO's starting to see the writing on the wall about the future of EV's so now they are leaving and taking early retirements as they see a future of lower profits ahead! What's the saying, "It's no longer my problem because I got my money, let someone else deal with it!"
The lower profits will be at the dealers. But first the OEMs need to rev up their design teams and logistics chains to build EVs. They're way behind now, because they didn't see it coming or denied it, Toyota-like. And the Chinese are at the door.
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Tesla's never quite figured out how to build a vehicle with a good finish and pieces that fit properly and don't fall off while in transit. Musk has given up on it.
VW should just shut down 60% of their operation and invest that into Rivian. The rest of the 40% should go to high performance cars and premium brands gasoline/hybrid cars. Otherwise, bankruptcy is awaiting.
Good idea. They should just shut down Germany and China and give everything to the Rivian CEO with the funny name. I am sure Rivian will love to sell 2 million cars in China.
Very cool to imagine a future where vehicles have no steering wheel or pedals. The Cybercab is the new iPhone. When the iPhone came out and did away with a physical keyboard there were a lot of skeptics. Now there are zero smartphones with physical keyboards. The. Cybercab is showing us the same thing with cars and their steering wheel and pedals.
Toyota has had solid state batteries just about ready for production since for over a decade. No matter the company, what we see in demos carries little value unless you want hype a stock or angel investors. What gets into consumers hands is all that counts. We Robot event will only have real value if we see the products in consumers hands. I guess in 2027 we will know how much if waste or historic moment this event was.
My money says Elkan will see Tavares out Q1 or Q2 of 2025. You hardly see anyone ruin a company in less time. And no, the guy you mention won't be the new CEO. The new CEO will be someone that understands and respects the market where the money is made.
China car sales growth sounds small, especially considering that the government just did a major finance infusion to select sectors AND renewed NE vehicle subsidies. Sounds like their car sales would be flat or worse if not propped up by government stimuli.
Elon: We have lots of cool stuff coming! Translation: We may ship a prototype in 8+ years, and call it a product. It will cost 3 times what we said. Oh, and the wheels will fall off. And don't take it through a car wash...
@@bunsw2070You do realize, this is exactly the same thing they were saying back in 2019, just before the stock price went up about 20x, right? I mean, there are plenty of things to criticize about Tesla, but stock analysts are not exactly the authoritative source.
You haters always attack the wrong problems. There was really only one huge glaring problem with the 10/10 song and dance. That's the lack of new model introductions that include the pedals and steering wheel. The company's future is riding mainly on this. On the other hand, the rumors about the "Baby Model Y" might be a harbinger of good things to come.
@@davidmenasco5743And you realize that the sole purpose of AI Day 2019 was to pump the stock so they could pay off the debt? This ain’t rocket science to see…
Sean, you should familiarize yourself with how Tesla trains its vehicles for FSD to understand how the Optimus will operate, and how Tesla factories will be the first customer for the robots prior to ramping up for sale to the outside world. Those who know have no doubt that Elon can "pull it off" as you say.
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Those who know realize about 75% of everything Elon says is BS. The Robo Taxi was able to drive about 20 meters, park in the middle of a street, then move another 15 meters turn and stop again. His robot that will supposedly build cars at his factor was in the crowd surrounded by guards and had about three or four canned movements but show none of the dexterity required to replace humans. It was a smoke and mirrors show.
Today Kitchen staff cost a minimum of $15/hr , in Ontario, Canada it is $17+/ hr, most Cleaners / Janitors are $20/ hr.Robots costing less than $50,000 will save corporations and Public Institutions a fortune, we will seevPublic Unions cry foul as their jobs are given to ROBOTS, imagine ROBOTS not calling in Sick and working 24/7.😂
Disregard the form factor, someone not getting paid minimum wage has to repair, update, program, and maintain said robot fleet. Good luck defining a SLA for a kitchen robot in a high output kitchen. Another musk fallacy is that one off jobs will be replaced by robots that are harder to work with than humans.
Aside from starting an hour late because of a medical emergency, the 10 10 event was great. Tesla taxi is beautiful and has potential to totally change traffic in big cities. Very exciting time.
Elon makes too many promises he know he cannot keep. Vision only driving will also likely fail - my own Tesla will often give me the msg that auto steer or parking will be degraded becos it dark or raining
It's going to be a long year at Stellantis, $30k for the Cybercab? I don't think so. Mr Musk and family should take a long trip in the taxi blindfolded to prove how safe it is.
Autonomous bus with self leveling suspension and induction charging that also functions as last mile delivery van and fits in Boring tunnels. Why do you bother to post if you don't understand something John?
1) Do you know how many people have been killed in their home by generator fumes? 2) Can you cite a single example of a person being killed by a stationary energy storage battery?
One thing I have noticed over the years is that is late or not, What Elon puts on that stage, He turns it into real life. How many prototypes you've seen by legacy auto that has never seen the light of day?
@@dclpgh Sure..zero legacy prototypes that required a deposit like the undelivered Roadster. Bernie Madoff would be proud.
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The current Cybertrucks are prototypes, ask any owner.
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Prototypes turn into production vehicles about 98% of the time, Show cars about 1% of the time although features sometimes make their way to production models.
1. Autonomy levels are irrelevant. The progress is all that matters. If you don't get FSD progress, you don't understand. 2. We must cut emissions in half in USA by 2030. Numb nuts and industry malfeasance are not going to cut it. Transportation as a service removes this from consumer and oil corporate decisions. It's THE solution to our dire climate situation, where we likely have or are about to cross 5 tipping points. Sean, ask your dad to have me on after hours. I'll blow y'all mind.
I honestly think the cybercab looks good but if they made it the low cost model and “normalized” the looks. It would sell like hot cakes! But no we can’t get anything good just AI nonsense
@@danharold3087 re: "It is not nonsense." that's because it's just SOFTWARE, so basically the same sh!t we've had all along (only now it's been given a "new label" in the 21st Century for the larger "end game" of perpetrating a fraud on Wall Street) since MS-DOS and Windows 3.1. # PEPPERIDGE FARM REMEMBERS.
I doubt any of those Tesla's announcements will be ready at that timeframe. They'll have better luck doing a bullet train and Metro buses. Maybe they could do motorcycles/Z-Bikes.
re: "Why 2 doors and not 4 ? A: this is actually a "recycling" of the design for the low-cost Model 2 (which was likely going to be a Coupe to further assist with getting the cost down much like what was done originally with the Model 3's "decontenting" approach of removing dash buttons, removing stalks, etc).
All other Tesla models will be able to be robotaxis as well. If you need more seats/space just summon a Y or 3. If you need to haul cargo, summon a Cybertruck. For the 90% of rides that are one or two people, a two seater design makes the most sense.
Hmm, nearly two million units in sales on an annual basis, best selling vehicle in the world in 2023, and so on. Musk shoots for Mars, but misses, but still manages to guide companies to do things "experts" thought eas impossible. I do not agree with many the statements made by Musk, but what his companies have accomplished is impressive.
It probably costs them less than half of a model y. It's a two seater, probably no more than half range, if that. You can easily waste 30 min to automatically charge several times a day, and you know in advance how much charge you need because the trip is fixed.
The value of TSLA has little to do with the worth of Tesla. Few of the wall street type understand tech. If/when they see Tesla making money they will be all over it. But they will not see it coming.
@@danharold3087 re: "But they will not see it coming." well of course they won't see it happening Dan, for by the time it actually happens, even the 5th Graders sitting in the Elementary Schools will have grown old and died from Natural Causes.
So, Model 3, Model Y, Model S, China factory, German factory, Texas factory, and others did not take that long. It is amazing how quickly people just focus on items that were late or failed to meet expectations while ignoring the other successes. Regardless of which time lines were hit or missed, Tesla has done so much. You can look at any legacy builders and find missed timelines or vaporware. I will be impressed with products that are in consumer hands. Until then, it is hype. Shows/events done to get stock prices to jump or to attract institutional investors. That is mostly what we see in the media.
Tesla's timeline is disappointing apart from unsupervised FSD in 2025. If the cybercab is not going into production in 2026 or 2027, why launch it now?
The Osborne Effect occurs when announcing a future product kills sales of the current one. Adam Osborne announced a new computer before its release, making customers wait, which tanked sales of the existing model, leading his company to bankruptcy. Essentially it's like saying "Don't buy this now; wait for the better version," only to realize you've just shot your own sales in the foot.
This event formalized Tesla's shift of focus from mainly EV manufacturing to AI and AI-related technology, i.e. FSD, Robocab and Optimus. That's why there was no introduction of the $25000 "Model 2" since such a car will not generate high enough profit margins. The timing of this event is done to generate interest towards a different audience: AI engineers and those who might want to invest in such ventures.
2 years to begin ramping production of a vehicle that still needs regulatory approval before it can be deployed is optimistically fast. Meanwhile, GM is taking 2 years just to update the Bolt EV and shift production to an already functional factory.
@@hvu6037you were looking at the Model 2. A century ago folks were confused how a car could move without horses. Now folks are confused how a robocab can operate without a steering wheel. Meanwhile, Tesla has always been making robots, they've just been shaped like cars.
any large company making only 50 of some model is wasting their engineers' time. It takes tens of thousands of man-hours to design and build a car, to make only 50 means you lose money on the project no matter how much you charge; what is the point in a big company of building only 50? that is fewer than Gordon Murray's firm makes. A sign of bad mgt.
For major manufacturers like Ford or GM, the number of pre-production cars can range from: 50 to 200 vehicles: This is a common range for many models. Up to 300 or more: For some high-volume or particularly important models.
@@danharold3087 This is a BS car like the GM Celestiq. Intended only for collectors and insiders of the firm. It is a blatant misuse of their best engineers and designers. Either make a car that people can buy in reasonable quantities, or get ready to be demoted to teeny size.
Q: what is the point in a big company of building only 50? A: Marketing and Publicity Stunt. also see entry for the techniques from Political Science known as RHETORIC AND PROPAGANDA.
@@phillyphil1513 Go ahead and tease us consumers with concept cars if you want to waste a few hundred K, but making 50 cars will cost millions and distract your best hand builders, which could be doing something else. It's a misuse of resources. Piech started this with his vanity "supercar" project at VW just for himself. Then the Celestiq, now we have this.
I have mixed feelings on this, Musk's promises are more like a mild possibility with a long delay built in. I know FSD will come someday; when it does, I'll be the first to pay for it. But don't hold your breath on this one.
Self driving is an unsolved problem, uncharted territory. When Tesla and others started working on self driving the tools to solve it did not exist. It has been a long road with needed developments happening outside and inside Tesla over time. Solving this unsolved problem is not something that can be accurately scheduled so long as it remains unsolved. This is not unlike a journey where foothills are mistaken for mountains.
re: "I have mixed feelings on this, Musk's promises are more like a mild possibility with a long delay built in." well you SHOULD have mixed feelings, that's your intelligence alerting you to trouble. Law Enforcement and Insurance Fraud Investigators (if you ask them) will tell you how these have been "hallmarks" of all the best DECEPTIONS and PONZI SCHEMES throughout History. yeah the "pattern" is RIGHT THERE staring you in the face.
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@@danharold3087 Yes, Musk invented RADAR, Lasers, Cameras, Computers etc. In reality, the tools have been there for decades but never directly applied to driving an automobile on public roads. So far FSD is level 2 and has a very long way to reach the promise of Full (not fake) Self Driving.
To the first story...I, Robot with Will Smith comes to mind. If life is actually imitating art now with these new car/bus designs and now in home robot help, then will the movie come to fruition completely? Will robots rule the day and will we actually have to create rules as to how they are to be treated and how they can interact? And lets not forget the vulnerable, over the air updates. Wireless data can always be hacked. This is true life imitating art and It doesn't look good. You can keep your tesla robots and self driving whatchumacallits at the curb for me. I can manage, thanks.
Your selfish. The self driving car will bring mobility to millions of people. It will also provide an alternative to the millions who drive at risk to themselves and traffic in general.
@@danharold3087 It's not selfish knowing your history of the automobile to know where it is going. The concept of and the implementation of both self-driving, electric automobiles and self driving EVs have been around since the early 1900's. Again, you act like elons invented something new and he isn't inventing anything here. He's just taking an existing idea/tech and putting it to use, again. This is not new and he didn't invent the EV or Tesla either. If people who don’t already drive or cannot drive, or at risk to themselves or others in the public domain, then they all should or will be taking cabs/taxis, ubers as normal. You cannot get a drivers license for a self driving car so your argument is moot. Self driving should always be supervised, no matter how you look at it. If you have a drivers license, then you have a responsibility to know the road rules, be alert at all times and not fall asleep behind the wheel. This includes the people who are at ‘risk to themselves and the risk of the general public.’ Are you one of those people at risk to yourself or others? Then you need to take an uber or a taxi.
@@JohnnyBean78 OK I get what your saying ELON BAD. By your logic the wright bros's nor any of the people working on airplanes around the turn of the century invented the airplane. There are vast regions of the US where there are no taxi or ubers. ". If you have a drivers license, then you have a responsibility to know the road rules, be alert at all times and not fall asleep behind the wheel. " The AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety reports drowsy driving accounts for about 6,400 fatalities per year US 2022 1,149 people were killed in crashes that involved red light running, more than 107,000 people were injured I am quite sure these people all knew they were supposed to stop at red lights. So much for correlating drivers licensees with alertness. As for the drivers license thing for self driving. That is up to regulators. Tesla plans to start robo taxi in CA and TX. Geofenced operators like Waymo and Cruise have been operating in CA. Since 2017, self-driving cars have been legal to operate in Texas under Senate Bill 2205 Regardless of how much you hate Elon or self driving it will happen and given time it will be a huge improvement.
@@danharold3087 Self driving is going to be a huge distraction. I'm a car enthusiast. I love to drive, so this nonsense about self driving to me is a huge distraction. No matter how the regulators see it, its going to be common place and yes it may help others, but as a driver myself, no matter what the stats say, you have a drivers license, you have the responsibility to be a good driver. The others in your stats list, need to take ubers or taxis, they have no reason to be on the road driving. I don't hate elon, people act like he invented everything which is incorrect, is all.
@@JohnnyBean78 I expect people will still be able to drive but will be required to pay higher insurance rates as they will be the primary cause of collisions. Ideas are very easy to come by. Making them work harder. Making money selling it is even harder. Give some credit where credit is due.
Elon can afford the really strong weed to come up with these pipe dreams of his. If he gives up on camera-only today it will still take Tesla 20 years to get close to his future, and of course the future is a moving target so no telling where it will end up. I would love someone to sit with him 45 minutes to discuss this at a deeper, more practical level. It will be useful for dense urban areas so you don't need to own a car. It won't be a thing in rural areas because the vehicles will be sitting for long periods and the ROI won't be there. Waiting to take grandma to the senior center, but the ride will need to cost 50 cents. In the greater Chicago area of 3 million people all going every which direction at every time of day, there will need to be just about as many taxis as there are total cars here now otherwise it won't work. Can't tell the boss or the judge, "Sorry I'm 20 minutes late, there were no rides available."
Q: Can the tesla bot drive a car? A: unfortunately no, the Opti-bot can neither operate a motor vehicle nor can it do the Running Man. "GFY OPTI-BOT...!!!" (best Hyundai Megacorp, Boston Dynamics, Atlas voice)
@@B4R0N. Everybody was expecting Model 2 (the $25k car with a WHEEL and PEDALS), not some ROBOT gimmick and the standard stock-pumping b-s... BTW those RoboTaxis were just modified Model Y Juniper
There will be another product made on the model y line. They can't announce until it's ready though... he's saving the business and shareholders by not osbourning
Elon bullshits too much for me ... That robo taxi could have been an affordable EV a little two-door coupe... But nooo ... He wants to do all this fancy autonomy bullshit ... And where in the hell is that roaster ...
Silly, based on what? Can rides usually have one or two passengers. It has two seats. The door automatically swing up and out of the way, not outwards to block sidewalks or walking space around the vehicle. This is a cab. Meant for short rides. Most trains, buses, etc, do not have fancy designs. It is a transportation tool, not meant to be a supercar or grand touring vehicle.
The very rich have people drive them around. I guess Elon thinks what's good for him is good for the masses. If I invest in a car, I want to drive the damn thing. If I want to be driven, I'll call a taxi or Uber.
Each year globally we conservatively kill over 1 million people and injure another 20 million. The global economy loses approximately $518 billion in U.S. currency each year due to road traffic accidents. FSD or whatever else works we need to get people out from behind the wheel. On August 16, 2024, USDOT released "Saving Lives with Connectivity: A Plan to Accelerate V2X Deployment" This in conjunction with Tesla's FSD work is where I think the answer is.
So they have taken the steering wheel and pedals out of a model 3 and made it look more like there most ugly car? now they just need to make it FSD. As a taxi they could at least have made it more van like so it could transport some goods.
@@danharold3087 Dont know what is new about it. BYD has made >50000 BEv busses and Rivian have a lot of commercial vans out. There are no data on what the robovan can do or what it will cost.
@@andders2477 Why stop with EV busses? There were horse drawn vehicles resembling busses. In this case autonomy is the difference. Strange I should have to point that out.
Elon is doing such a terrible job that the Tesla model Y is the best selling car in the world, second only to the Toyota RAV4 in the U.S., and outselling BYD in EVs in China, where every other Western automaker is crashing. Such a failure!
From Google search, source Statista: The Tesla Model Y was the best-selling car model in 2023, topping 1.15 million sales. It was followed closely by the Toyota Corolla. Overall global car sales grew to roughly 75.3 million units in 2023, up from 67.3 million in 2022.
re: "Elon is doing such a terrible job that the Tesla model Y is the best selling car in the world..." Monster Cat 5 Hurricane Milton says "HOLD MY SEA WATER FILLED BEER...!!!"
Cybercab is just another fancy brand name. The product underneath is dead on arrival, whenever this will happen. There is no way to achive level 4 or 5 without lidar and radar, except perhaps in a dry place like Arizona. But there is already Waymo in operation, with technology 10 years ahead of Tesla. The presentation was disappointing in many ways, displaying just lukewarm air.
re: "But there is already Waymo in operation, with technology 10 years ahead of Tesla." exactly, per the cool kids the mighty Google Megacorp is "kicking ass and taking names" in the PHX right now.
Tesla lost any semblance of cool with the broken FSD promises, Cybertruck fiasco and don’t forget Elon Musk’s Twitter meltdown and Trump endorsement. Cringe 😬
I don’t think this taxi would do well in the hill country of Texas. It’s unclear if the road taxi is out in wreck whose fault would it be person driving or the robber taxi? if you watch the movie I, robot with Will Smith back in 2004 looks very similar to what us trying to enforce
The gig economy always shafts the provider of services. Who is going to control the system which dispenses rides? Tesla? Elon? Count me out, that guy lost my trust completely at this point. And wait until hackers start hacking those robot servants (not hard). That will be fun, and will create a whole new set of security issues. But it will be hugely entertaining at the same time.
Elon has high ambions but look who long Cybertruck come out and it delivery, so I expect it to be out by 2029, I rather have them acquire zoox and push out a box autonomus car and work air taxi with the same configuration
"Fall asleep at the wheel, and wake up at your destination" i.e. The Afterlife.
Do this everyday. Its called mass transit.
Lots of luck twith that, it doesn't have a steering wheel.
No notes. Well done!
@@CSHarvey Read his statement again, you completely missed the point.
Yes, my understanding was you sleep and you arrive at your (Final) destination
Tesla's Cybercab is $30k in the same way the Cybertruck was announced in 2019 as starting at $39,900.
Or the Model 3 being announced for $30k.
@@Cakebattered it was $35k for the model 3 actually.
Yeah, well the same combo meal at any major fast food chain was also half the price back then as they are today. I guess that means Elon and team suck at predicting inflation costs, or they are just like every other product maker who start out with expensive prices that gradually decreases as production and supply improve overtime. Model 3 used to be $45k for the base model, they eventually reached $35k but barely anyone bought it because most people like bells and whistles. Inflation causes suppliers to increase costs, which then brings more inflation as cost of goods are affected. Elon could make it so that they sell each vehicle at a loss like every other brand selling EVs today, but they are set on making a profit in order to keep the business healthy and growing so they have to price their products with that in mind. Specially since they don’t have an ICE vehicle market to fall back on when demand for EVs drop drastically. Class dismissed.
Nah, the cybertruck actually came out. Cybercabs vaporware.
@@FlipBoxStudio Macdonalds doesn't take 5 years to prepare my order and get every ingredient wrong.
The future looks like a streamlined 1940's steam locomotive.
Made out of cheap plastic.
But just imagine the revenue stream from replacement hubcap sales.
23 skidoo
1939 GM Futurliner. Look it up.
If you have a better idea go to GM let your self be employed and make it reality.
Or STFU!
“Corporate Puffery”
Most of Elon's work has been to keep Wall Street happy, no matter how the vehicles turn out. But the company is entering reality now and needs a mature executive at the helm, and a plan going forward. However we still have Lotus and Aston Martin so Tesla can remain a small niche maker of odd vehicles.
How are EV sales up in every country YoY and crashing at the same time? Autoline said, "EV sales are down." Now Autoline says, "EV sales are up." How are both true?
I guess down from projections? Or growth isn’t as fast as they dreamed up.
Truth or spin? It's a big intelligence test to parse it out.
The fact is that BEV share of global vehicle sales grows annually and hasn't decreased at all in recent years.
We should expect that trend to continue.
The funny thing was the report yesterday on GM (and JV) sales in China.
The actual news was that their ICE sales in China have dropped precipitously, while their EV sales have grown substantially. But the reporting was worded in the most obfuscating way possible.
Same with the report on BMW.
In both of these cases, it was not a drop the *growth* of ICE sales, it was a major drop in actual sales of ICE vehicles.
Please, AD, call it what it is.
Davey Beppler! Were you responsible for painting the Reut*rTaxi’s tires gold? You did a decent job.
Because they report individual reports for individual markets and you aren't actually paying attention?
Some people disappointed with the timeline:
The Osborne Effect occurs when announcing a
future product kills sales of the current one.
Adam Osborne announced a new computer
before its release, making customers wait,
which tanked sales of the existing model,
leading his company to bankruptcy. Essentially
it's like saying "Don't buy this now; wait for the
better version," only to realize you've just shot
your own sales in the foot.
Folks waiting for a $25k EV aren't in line to buy a ModelY or 3.
Yet another phrase that Adrian recites in order to sound smarter than everyone else
This is one announcement that will not effect future products.
What would happen to the model 3 sale number if they announce this 2 seater will start production in 2025?
Its only the Osborne effect when you announce a real product you have an intention of someday shipping.
1:05 looks to me like it's based on the VW XL1 😂
Exactly!! VW should sue
Or a 1927 train of the future.
@@unclegeorge7845 People are talking about CyberCab looking like a VW XL1 car. And it does.
@@danharold3087 There's just one small problem. VW actually produced some EL1 vehicles. How many years has Elon been talking about FSD? 12 years? How many drivable CyberCab's to this date?
Wouldn't it be nice if adults could easily get in and out of this sports machine called a CyberCab.
if the cyber cab is available for purchase then do you still need a drivers license to ride in it?
Probly not. Not only are you not driving, you can't drive it. The car will do the same thing regardless of whether it's a 50 year old professional driver with a flawless driving record in the car, or a box of used clothing.
No. Why would you?
1:22 he said BELOW $30k, no low $30k's.
Correct
and "in 2026" then "well before 2027" which is really about the same
Just one question. If a true Full Self Driving car is determined to be the cause of an accident, is the "driver" or the manufacturer liable? Using supervised FSD responsibility usually falls on the driver.
Who owns the car?
There is no driver. Not even if you put "driver" in quotes. Tesla would be liable.
You aren't driving it. The car is. So how can a) there be a driver and b) someone who isn't driving it be called a driver to be at fault?
@@wolfgangpreier9160 The person who owns the car is the person that purchased and licensed the car. But the question the court will answer is who is at fault.
@@cratecruncher4974 Yes, that will always be the question the courts have to answer - when it comes to the court.
And if the courts decide it was the Software, then the manufacturer will be liable.
It is not in any way or form different to the manufacturer or a fridge or a plane or any tool which hurts people.
They will be held liable if the court decides it was their fault.
Why shoul it be different with Software?
Two doors on a cab. Genius!
Rideshare data is a bitch eh?
That future looks like the 30s idea of the future
Art Deco
Metropolis
Everything old is new again.
It was the 80s a few years ago. Pretty soon he's going to show off an autonomous horse. He'll somehow fail to ship that too.
CEO's starting to see the writing on the wall about the future of EV's so now they are leaving and taking early retirements as they see a future of lower profits ahead! What's the saying, "It's no longer my problem because I got my money, let someone else deal with it!"
🤦♂️
The lower profits will be at the dealers. But first the OEMs need to rev up their design teams and logistics chains to build EVs. They're way behind now, because they didn't see it coming or denied it, Toyota-like. And the Chinese are at the door.
Tesla's never quite figured out how to build a vehicle with a good finish and pieces that fit properly and don't fall off while in transit. Musk has given up on it.
Which CEOs? None of CEOs of the Chinese EV makers nor Tesla
@@jamesvandamme7786 It has been coming for decades. They opted to lobby congress instead of doing BEV R&D. Europe too.
That sky to looks and sounds great!!!
When criminals get in the car locks
Itself
And drives to the police station
That would be highly illegal.
The cops couldn't get into the station for all the hundreds of expensive cars parked outside.
Cool, so we can fire the cops then.
With the doors securely locked!
Good looking Robotaxi
VW should just shut down 60% of their operation and invest that into Rivian. The rest of the 40% should go to high performance cars and premium brands gasoline/hybrid cars. Otherwise, bankruptcy is awaiting.
Good idea. They should just shut down Germany and China and give everything to the Rivian CEO with the funny name. I am sure Rivian will love to sell 2 million cars in China.
Enjoy your weekend with all your family around you,Sean McElroy Autoline Network
👍
From Nick Ayivor from London England UK 🇬🇧 ⏰️ 19:20pm Good Evening
Exciting time for Tesla and Rivian
New BMW Sky top roadster is just gorgeous, and keeping V8 right decision ❤❤❤
Onwards and upwards, let's do this
Seems most likely to me that they will add remote operators.
Very cool to imagine a future where vehicles have no steering wheel or pedals. The Cybercab is the new iPhone. When the iPhone came out and did away with a physical keyboard there were a lot of skeptics. Now there are zero smartphones with physical keyboards. The. Cybercab is showing us the same thing with cars and their steering wheel and pedals.
So the same twelve months he's been promising for the last 10 years?
n("Next Year"), where n is an undefined integer.
Almost almost almost
It's not lying, it's officially corporate puffery
Toyota has had solid state batteries just about ready for production since for over a decade.
No matter the company, what we see in demos carries little value unless you want hype a stock or angel investors.
What gets into consumers hands is all that counts. We Robot event will only have real value if we see the products in consumers hands. I guess in 2027 we will know how much if waste or historic moment this event was.
Q: So the same twelve months he's been promising for the last 10 years? A: yup, basically... # YES YOU'VE SEEN THIS MOVIE
RO-bovan aounded like a bad play on words for suburban.. cybervan trademark not available?
The musical chairs game of legacy's golden parachutes is heating up.
The Cyber Cab will be $30k like the Cyber Truck was going to be $40k
Torsten Muller-Otvos (retired Rolls Royce CEO) would make an excellent choice for Stellantis to replace Tevaris!
My money says Elkan will see Tavares out Q1 or Q2 of 2025. You hardly see anyone ruin a company in less time. And no, the guy you mention won't be the new CEO. The new CEO will be someone that understands and respects the market where the money is made.
Bi Directional charging is such a gimmick! 😂
China car sales growth sounds small, especially considering that the government just did a major finance infusion to select sectors AND renewed NE vehicle subsidies. Sounds like their car sales would be flat or worse if not propped up by government stimuli.
Elon: We have lots of cool stuff coming!
Translation: We may ship a prototype in 8+ years, and call it a product. It will cost 3 times what we said. Oh, and the wheels will fall off. And don't take it through a car wash...
A stock market analyst on RUclips did workup on Tesla. He found the company was worth $6.60 per share.
@@bunsw2070You do realize, this is exactly the same thing they were saying back in 2019, just before the stock price went up about 20x, right?
I mean, there are plenty of things to criticize about Tesla, but stock analysts are not exactly the authoritative source.
You haters always attack the wrong problems.
There was really only one huge glaring problem with the 10/10 song and dance. That's the lack of new model introductions that include the pedals and steering wheel. The company's future is riding mainly on this.
On the other hand, the rumors about the "Baby Model Y" might be a harbinger of good things to come.
@@davidmenasco5743And you realize that the sole purpose of AI Day 2019 was to pump the stock so they could pay off the debt? This ain’t rocket science to see…
It's not lying, it's corporate puffery
Sean, you should familiarize yourself with how Tesla trains its vehicles for FSD to understand how the Optimus will operate, and how Tesla factories will be the first customer for the robots prior to ramping up for sale to the outside world. Those who know have no doubt that Elon can "pull it off" as you say.
Those who know realize about 75% of everything Elon says is BS. The Robo Taxi was able to drive about 20 meters, park in the middle of a street, then move another 15 meters turn and stop again. His robot that will supposedly build cars at his factor was in the crowd surrounded by guards and had about three or four canned movements but show none of the dexterity required to replace humans. It was a smoke and mirrors show.
This BMW Roadster would be a Great EV.
Today Kitchen staff cost a minimum of $15/hr , in Ontario, Canada it is $17+/ hr, most Cleaners / Janitors are $20/ hr.Robots costing less than $50,000 will save corporations and Public Institutions a fortune, we will seevPublic Unions cry foul as their jobs are given to ROBOTS, imagine ROBOTS not calling in Sick and working 24/7.😂
How much would a Robotic musk shill cost?
Disregard the form factor, someone not getting paid minimum wage has to repair, update, program, and maintain said robot fleet. Good luck defining a SLA for a kitchen robot in a high output kitchen. Another musk fallacy is that one off jobs will be replaced by robots that are harder to work with than humans.
Tesla accidentally misspelled the name. It should have been FDS as in Full Driver Assistance instead of Full Self Driving
My cybertruck drove me for hours through highways and city streets yesterday without me touching a thing
I assume Antonio Filosa is Italian?
I find it strange why he would be CEO of Jeep. He isn't doing that good of a job and isn't even American.
Have a person with an IQ greater than 60 explain it to you.
Aside from starting an hour late because of a medical emergency, the 10 10 event was great. Tesla taxi is beautiful and has potential to totally change traffic in big cities. Very exciting time.
It was laughable, the vehicle and Musk's BS.
Step away from the bong.
It's not lies, it's corporate puffery
Why do you need such extreme aerodynamics in a Taxi? 4 doors and more space would be nice.
Change traffic in cities in what way?
Elon makes too many promises he know he cannot keep. Vision only driving will also likely fail - my own Tesla will often give me the msg that auto steer or parking will be degraded becos it dark or raining
This was an easy way to make money. Buying tesla puts waiting for this cab.
It's going to be a long year at Stellantis, $30k for the Cybercab? I don't think so. Mr Musk and family should take a long trip in the taxi blindfolded to prove how safe it is.
Elon just invented the bus 🤣
What a genius
"Tech Bros out here inventing things that already exist..." - Patrick Boyle upload date Sept 12, 2024.
And the casting.
Autonomous bus with self leveling suspension and induction charging that also functions as last mile delivery van and fits in Boring tunnels. Why do you bother to post if you don't understand something John?
Nice video and presentation.
What make us think it is legal / safe to store 15 gallons of gasoline (equivalent) of electricity in a home?
That depends on the type of battery and the electrical hookup.
We store that amount of gas, fumes and all, in our home garage, especially during hurricane season.
1) Do you know how many people have been killed in their home by generator fumes?
2) Can you cite a single example of a person being killed by a stationary energy storage battery?
So, Tesla had another event in which Musk could promise something else in the future? Ooooh. 😒
Yeah like the Cyber truck! That's never going to happen 😂
Elon: "Total wealth and salvation next year!"
"Details to follow."
Is public transportation a money maker? I wonder how Cruise impacts GM financials?
Cruise is sucking billions out of GM. However they really think it’s a big part of the future so they aren’t letting it go.
In its current form, with many workers, it is a money pit
Public transportation is a money saver for people who use it.
Public transport save riders money when it is subsidized.
@@danharold3087 The fact that it has to be subsidized means it's not profitable.
When is Elon going to move to Mars?
The robots go to the rich. Elon sends the command‘eliminate my competition’ Elon takes over the world.😊
Elon sure didn't impress Tesla shareholders with his promises! Over $20 dollar dump on the stock! Two dream vehicles and no $25 thousand sedan! 😅
One thing I have noticed over the years is that is late or not, What Elon puts on that stage, He turns it into real life. How many prototypes you've seen by legacy auto that has never seen the light of day?
Roadster would like a word with you. Also, as specified exoskeleton CyberBust.
@@bobbbobb4663 Answer the question. How many Legacy prototypes? Lets ask Mary.
@@dclpgh Sure..zero legacy prototypes that required a deposit like the undelivered Roadster. Bernie Madoff would be proud.
The current Cybertrucks are prototypes, ask any owner.
Prototypes turn into production vehicles about 98% of the time, Show cars about 1% of the time although features sometimes make their way to production models.
1. Autonomy levels are irrelevant. The progress is all that matters. If you don't get FSD progress, you don't understand.
2. We must cut emissions in half in USA by 2030. Numb nuts and industry malfeasance are not going to cut it. Transportation as a service removes this from consumer and oil corporate decisions. It's THE solution to our dire climate situation, where we likely have or are about to cross 5 tipping points.
Sean, ask your dad to have me on after hours. I'll blow y'all mind.
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©✓✓I suggest, Maria Anna 🌹 she is extremely good on that.
I honestly think the cybercab looks good but if they made it the low cost model and “normalized” the looks. It would sell like hot cakes! But no we can’t get anything good just AI nonsense
You use 'AI' everyday. It is not nonsense.
@@danharold3087 re: "It is not nonsense." that's because it's just SOFTWARE, so basically the same sh!t we've had all along (only now it's been given a "new label" in the 21st Century for the larger "end game" of perpetrating a fraud on Wall Street) since MS-DOS and Windows 3.1. # PEPPERIDGE FARM REMEMBERS.
Forget owning a humanoid robot to serve you drinks and cook for you how about putting it in front of your computer so it can make you money
Don’t worry, AI will take care of that.
It’s always a year away.
I doubt any of those Tesla's announcements will be ready at that timeframe. They'll have better luck doing a bullet train and Metro buses. Maybe they could do motorcycles/Z-Bikes.
Like the high speed rail project in CA! /s
was it honda whit the selfdriving bike. that was some weird bike.
Why 2 doors and not 4 ? lol
Why 4 doors for a 2 seater?
Two doors are cheaper.
Most cab rides are one or two passengers. You do not need four seats when 90% of the rides just need one or two.
re: "Why 2 doors and not 4 ? A: this is actually a "recycling" of the design for the low-cost Model 2 (which was likely going to be a Coupe to further assist with getting the cost down much like what was done originally with the Model 3's "decontenting" approach of removing dash buttons, removing stalks, etc).
All other Tesla models will be able to be robotaxis as well. If you need more seats/space just summon a Y or 3. If you need to haul cargo, summon a Cybertruck. For the 90% of rides that are one or two people, a two seater design makes the most sense.
P.T. Barnum---Elon----keep up the B S my boy!
It's not bs, it's officially corporate puffery CEO lies
Hmm, nearly two million units in sales on an annual basis, best selling vehicle in the world in 2023, and so on.
Musk shoots for Mars, but misses, but still manages to guide companies to do things "experts" thought eas impossible.
I do not agree with many the statements made by Musk, but what his companies have accomplished is impressive.
Dumb comment
It probably costs them less than half of a model y. It's a two seater, probably no more than half range, if that. You can easily waste 30 min to automatically charge several times a day, and you know in advance how much charge you need because the trip is fixed.
You are way too fast to buy into that liars claims
If tesla pulls this off then they will be worth their market cap
Today the stock is down 7.8%.
The inverse is also true.
Musk will have several more pipe dreams propagated in an attempt to pump up the stock before this one ever reaches fruition.
The value of TSLA has little to do with the worth of Tesla. Few of the wall street type understand tech. If/when they see Tesla making money they will be all over it. But they will not see it coming.
@@danharold3087 re: "But they will not see it coming." well of course they won't see it happening Dan, for by the time it actually happens, even the 5th Graders sitting in the Elementary Schools will have grown old and died from Natural Causes.
It will be years before the robotaxi with no steering wheel is approved for general road use.
I like the Tesla concepts..probably see it in 15-20 years..?
He never lies, he just grossly exaggerates product details timelines and everything else, it's corporate puffery
So, Model 3, Model Y, Model S, China factory, German factory, Texas factory, and others did not take that long. It is amazing how quickly people just focus on items that were late or failed to meet expectations while ignoring the other successes.
Regardless of which time lines were hit or missed, Tesla has done so much. You can look at any legacy builders and find missed timelines or vaporware.
I will be impressed with products that are in consumer hands. Until then, it is hype. Shows/events done to get stock prices to jump or to attract institutional investors. That is mostly what we see in the media.
More vaporware from Tesla. What else is new? Can we get an actual CEO at Tesla?
They have a corporate puffer instead
What about robo pizza deliveries?
How about Tesla virtual selfeating robopizzas?
Remember all the Popular Science articles talking about "by 2017, you'll order a pizza and have it delivered to you by drone..."?
Robotaxi; when oinkers take wing.
Tesla's timeline is disappointing apart from unsupervised FSD in 2025. If the cybercab is not going into production in 2026 or 2027, why launch it now?
The Osborne Effect occurs when announcing a
future product kills sales of the current one.
Adam Osborne announced a new computer
before its release, making customers wait,
which tanked sales of the existing model,
leading his company to bankruptcy. Essentially
it's like saying "Don't buy this now; wait for the
better version," only to realize you've just shot
your own sales in the foot.
This is just vapourware for a pump and dump scheme
This event formalized Tesla's shift of focus from mainly EV manufacturing to AI and AI-related technology, i.e. FSD, Robocab and Optimus. That's why there was no introduction of the $25000 "Model 2" since such a car will not generate high enough profit margins. The timing of this event is done to generate interest towards a different audience: AI engineers and those who might want to invest in such ventures.
2 years to begin ramping production of a vehicle that still needs regulatory approval before it can be deployed is optimistically fast.
Meanwhile, GM is taking 2 years just to update the Bolt EV and shift production to an already functional factory.
@@hvu6037you were looking at the Model 2. A century ago folks were confused how a car could move without horses. Now folks are confused how a robocab can operate without a steering wheel.
Meanwhile, Tesla has always been making robots, they've just been shaped like cars.
Once again, Tesla Vaporware and rosy projections.
😂sure
any large company making only 50 of some model is wasting their engineers' time. It takes tens of thousands of man-hours to design and build a car, to make only 50 means you lose money on the project no matter how much you charge; what is the point in a big company of building only 50? that is fewer than Gordon Murray's firm makes. A sign of bad mgt.
For major manufacturers like Ford or GM, the number of pre-production cars can range from:
50 to 200 vehicles: This is a common range for many models.
Up to 300 or more: For some high-volume or particularly important models.
@@danharold3087 This is a BS car like the GM Celestiq. Intended only for collectors and insiders of the firm. It is a blatant misuse of their best engineers and designers. Either make a car that people can buy in reasonable quantities, or get ready to be demoted to teeny size.
@@edwarddejong8025 This is a sub $30 K car. It bears no resemblance to the starting at $350 GM Celestiq.
Q: what is the point in a big company of building only 50? A: Marketing and Publicity Stunt. also see entry for the techniques from Political Science known as RHETORIC AND PROPAGANDA.
@@phillyphil1513 Go ahead and tease us consumers with concept cars if you want to waste a few hundred K, but making 50 cars will cost millions and distract your best hand builders, which could be doing something else. It's a misuse of resources.
Piech started this with his vanity "supercar" project at VW just for himself. Then the Celestiq, now we have this.
I have mixed feelings on this, Musk's promises are more like a mild possibility with a long delay built in. I know FSD will come someday; when it does, I'll be the first to pay for it. But don't hold your breath on this one.
It's not lying, it's corporate puffery
Self driving is an unsolved problem, uncharted territory. When Tesla and others started working on self driving the tools to solve it did not exist. It has been a long road with needed developments happening outside and inside Tesla over time. Solving this unsolved problem is not something that can be accurately scheduled so long as it remains unsolved. This is not unlike a journey where foothills are mistaken for mountains.
re: "I have mixed feelings on this, Musk's promises are more like a mild possibility with a long delay built in." well you SHOULD have mixed feelings, that's your intelligence alerting you to trouble. Law Enforcement and Insurance Fraud Investigators (if you ask them) will tell you how these have been "hallmarks" of all the best DECEPTIONS and PONZI SCHEMES throughout History. yeah the "pattern" is RIGHT THERE staring you in the face.
@@danharold3087 Yes, Musk invented RADAR, Lasers, Cameras, Computers etc. In reality, the tools have been there for decades but never directly applied to driving an automobile on public roads. So far FSD is level 2 and has a very long way to reach the promise of Full (not fake) Self Driving.
To the first story...I, Robot with Will Smith comes to mind. If life is actually imitating art now with these new car/bus designs and now in home robot help, then will the movie come to fruition completely? Will robots rule the day and will we actually have to create rules as to how they are to be treated and how they can interact? And lets not forget the vulnerable, over the air updates. Wireless data can always be hacked. This is true life imitating art and It doesn't look good. You can keep your tesla robots and self driving whatchumacallits at the curb for me. I can manage, thanks.
Your selfish. The self driving car will bring mobility to millions of people. It will also provide an alternative to the millions who drive at risk to themselves and traffic in general.
@@danharold3087 It's not selfish knowing your history of the automobile to know where it is going. The concept of and the implementation of both self-driving, electric automobiles and self driving EVs have been around since the early 1900's. Again, you act like elons invented something new and he isn't inventing anything here. He's just taking an existing idea/tech and putting it to use, again. This is not new and he didn't invent the EV or Tesla either.
If people who don’t already drive or cannot drive, or at risk to themselves or others in the public domain, then they all should or will be taking cabs/taxis, ubers as normal. You cannot get a drivers license for a self driving car so your argument is moot. Self driving should always be supervised, no matter how you look at it. If you have a drivers license, then you have a responsibility to know the road rules, be alert at all times and not fall asleep behind the wheel. This includes the people who are at ‘risk to themselves and the risk of the general public.’ Are you one of those people at risk to yourself or others? Then you need to take an uber or a taxi.
@@JohnnyBean78 OK I get what your saying ELON BAD. By your logic the wright bros's nor any of the people working on airplanes around the turn of the century invented the airplane.
There are vast regions of the US where there are no taxi or ubers.
". If you have a drivers license, then you have a responsibility to know the road rules, be alert at all times and not fall asleep behind the wheel. "
The AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety reports drowsy driving accounts for about 6,400 fatalities per year
US 2022 1,149 people were killed in crashes that involved red light running, more than 107,000 people were injured
I am quite sure these people all knew they were supposed to stop at red lights. So much for correlating drivers licensees with alertness.
As for the drivers license thing for self driving. That is up to regulators.
Tesla plans to start robo taxi in CA and TX. Geofenced operators like Waymo and Cruise have been operating in CA.
Since 2017, self-driving cars have been legal to operate in Texas under Senate Bill 2205
Regardless of how much you hate Elon or self driving it will happen and given time it will be a huge improvement.
@@danharold3087 Self driving is going to be a huge distraction. I'm a car enthusiast. I love to drive, so this nonsense about self driving to me is a huge distraction. No matter how the regulators see it, its going to be common place and yes it may help others, but as a driver myself, no matter what the stats say, you have a drivers license, you have the responsibility to be a good driver. The others in your stats list, need to take ubers or taxis, they have no reason to be on the road driving. I don't hate elon, people act like he invented everything which is incorrect, is all.
@@JohnnyBean78 I expect people will still be able to drive but will be required to pay higher insurance rates as they will be the primary cause of collisions.
Ideas are very easy to come by. Making them work harder. Making money selling it is even harder. Give some credit where credit is due.
Great video 👍 The vehicle the USA needs it has no steering wheel and drives itself with a ever lower education system it needs this going forward 😊
Elon can afford the really strong weed to come up with these pipe dreams of his. If he gives up on camera-only today it will still take Tesla 20 years to get close to his future, and of course the future is a moving target so no telling where it will end up.
I would love someone to sit with him 45 minutes to discuss this at a deeper, more practical level. It will be useful for dense urban areas so you don't need to own a car. It won't be a thing in rural areas because the vehicles will be sitting for long periods and the ROI won't be there. Waiting to take grandma to the senior center, but the ride will need to cost 50 cents. In the greater Chicago area of 3 million people all going every which direction at every time of day, there will need to be just about as many taxis as there are total cars here now otherwise it won't work. Can't tell the boss or the judge, "Sorry I'm 20 minutes late, there were no rides available."
Can the tesla bot drive a car?
Q: Can the tesla bot drive a car? A: unfortunately no, the Opti-bot can neither operate a motor vehicle nor can it do the Running Man. "GFY OPTI-BOT...!!!" (best Hyundai Megacorp, Boston Dynamics, Atlas voice)
@@phillyphil1513 I'm glad someone can tell this is a joke
Elon is ruining Tesla the 1010 event was a bust
How was it a bust?
@@B4R0N. Everybody was expecting Model 2 (the $25k car with a WHEEL and PEDALS), not some ROBOT gimmick and the standard stock-pumping b-s... BTW those RoboTaxis were just modified Model Y Juniper
@@B4R0N.When Permabull Jonas asks “that’s it?”, then you have your answer.
... Bwahahahhaa. You would have dismissed Wright Bros first flight as a waste of 90sec of your time.
There will be another product made on the model y line. They can't announce until it's ready though... he's saving the business and shareholders by not osbourning
Robotaxi is finally here!*
*No earlier than 2027. More empty words from an empty manchild.
Elon bullshits too much for me ... That robo taxi could have been an affordable EV a little two-door coupe... But nooo ... He wants to do all this fancy autonomy bullshit ... And where in the hell is that roaster ...
Who cares about timeline
Silly, impractical design.
The styling is hideous, even for tesla.
It's not lying, it's corporate puffery
Silly, based on what? Can rides usually have one or two passengers. It has two seats. The door automatically swing up and out of the way, not outwards to block sidewalks or walking space around the vehicle.
This is a cab. Meant for short rides. Most trains, buses, etc, do not have fancy designs.
It is a transportation tool, not meant to be a supercar or grand touring vehicle.
The very rich have people drive them around. I guess Elon thinks what's good for him is good for the masses. If I invest in a car, I want to drive the damn thing. If I want to be driven, I'll call a taxi or Uber.
It will be like a taxi 1/10 of the cost
Cool story. Buy a car with a steering wheel. Kind of like how people who need vroom noises will still buy gas cars.
Thats like saying "If I buy a house, I want to live in it!" while countless others acquire multiple properties to rent them out for passive income
Some one will buy the Cybertaxi and sell you a ride in it. Lol.
@@aussie2uGA Sure buying a house is a comparison to buying a car.
He might want to walk back that fall asleep part, unless he wants to make a lot of lawyers rich.
Each year globally we conservatively kill over 1 million people and injure another 20 million. The global economy loses approximately $518 billion in U.S. currency each year due to road traffic accidents.
FSD or whatever else works we need to get people out from behind the wheel. On August 16, 2024, USDOT released "Saving Lives with Connectivity: A Plan to Accelerate V2X Deployment"
This in conjunction with Tesla's FSD work is where I think the answer is.
So they have taken the steering wheel and pedals out of a model 3 and made it look more like there most ugly car? now they just need to make it FSD. As a taxi they could at least have made it more van like so it could transport some goods.
Did you miss seeing the 20 seat/ cargo van?
@@danharold3087 Dont know what is new about it. BYD has made >50000 BEv busses and Rivian have a lot of commercial vans out. There are no data on what the robovan can do or what it will cost.
@@andders2477 Why stop with EV busses? There were horse drawn vehicles resembling busses. In this case autonomy is the difference. Strange I should have to point that out.
Elon needs to be removed for graduating from business genius, to world-dominating supervillain.
I bet he has a subterranean lair, and sharks with Lazer beams on their heads.
I don't see any evidence of a business genius...more of right place, right time and learning how to grift investors back to his earliest days.
Man, that Trump endorsement really triggered a lot of people.
Just because he doesn't want to vote for a Marxist Democrat doesn't make him a villain
re: "world-dominating supervillain..." ERNST STAVRO BLOFELD
What a waste of time that was.
Elon is doing such a terrible job that the Tesla model Y is the best selling car in the world, second only to the Toyota RAV4 in the U.S., and outselling BYD in EVs in China, where every other Western automaker is crashing. Such a failure!
King Corolla #1 by 400,000. Makes sense that Leon hires people such as yourself that can’t add
From Google search, source Statista:
The Tesla Model Y was the best-selling car model in 2023, topping 1.15 million sales. It was followed closely by the Toyota Corolla. Overall global car sales grew to roughly 75.3 million units in 2023, up from 67.3 million in 2022.
Put up to $10,000 in tax credits on the RAV4, charge no sales tax, and give parking perks, then see which sells best.
@@bobbbobb4663 Your numbers are from 2022. Check 2023. Model Y for number 1, even though it costs twice what the lowly Corolla costs. Look it up.
re: "Elon is doing such a terrible job that the Tesla model Y is the best selling car in the world..." Monster Cat 5 Hurricane Milton says "HOLD MY SEA WATER FILLED BEER...!!!"
Cybercab is just another fancy brand name. The product underneath is dead on arrival, whenever this will happen. There is no way to achive level 4 or 5 without lidar and radar, except perhaps in a dry place like Arizona. But there is already Waymo in operation, with technology 10 years ahead of Tesla. The presentation was disappointing in many ways, displaying just lukewarm air.
re: "But there is already Waymo in operation, with technology 10 years ahead of Tesla." exactly, per the cool kids the mighty Google Megacorp is "kicking ass and taking names" in the PHX right now.
False
30k plus 10k for FSD lol 😂 Elon lies or it’s going to be a membership lol 😂 1k a year some thing like that
It's not lies comments corporate puffery, I can't believe anything he says
Cyber cab 👎👎
Tesla lost any semblance of cool with the broken FSD promises, Cybertruck fiasco and don’t forget Elon Musk’s Twitter meltdown and Trump endorsement. Cringe 😬
I don’t think this taxi would do well in the hill country of Texas. It’s unclear if the road taxi is out in wreck whose fault would it be person driving or the robber taxi? if you watch the movie I, robot with Will Smith back in 2004 looks very similar to what us trying to enforce
Tesla's self driving cars are now providing video evidence at the time of the accident. From cars involved or ones that record the crash.
What a boring looking car and a piece of over priced junk
Elon is the greatest man in history bar none.
Greatest Con Man.
Greatest "Show" Man.
BMW is dead with their ugly ass new designs
The gig economy always shafts the provider of services. Who is going to control the system which dispenses rides? Tesla? Elon? Count me out, that guy lost my trust completely at this point. And wait until hackers start hacking those robot servants (not hard). That will be fun, and will create a whole new set of security issues. But it will be hugely entertaining at the same time.
Elon has high ambions but look who long Cybertruck come out and it delivery, so I expect it to be out by 2029, I rather have them acquire zoox and push out a box autonomus car and work air taxi with the same configuration
Roadster
What, you believe Musk? Jeez!
It's not lies, its corporate puffery. Roadster.
@@rp9674 Or more succinctly: Bull Shi*.
The best bullshite
You can’t believe a word elon’s saying….
Tesla is killing it. Bravo!
What is Tesla killing?
@@FrancescMuro The stock price
The stock price is down 7.8% today. Yea; they're killing it.
Love the Cyber van or whatever