While the primary source is conflicting and it is suspected most of the Takeda mounted troops (there are even debates on whether they truly are cavalry or just mounted footmen) were killed in melee, just like Agincourt.
@@hamzaferoz6162 It is this. Guns didn't spread that far in Honshu until 1550s, 1543-1544 is the year first ones appeared in Tanegashima (1543 first one was sold, in 1544 first ones were made domestically)
Having an army full of ashigarus, then suddenly being attacked by a samurai, monk or cavalry army...u will think of urself in a room, being advised by your retainers to retreat as it is useless to resist..but in ur mind: "A human life lives only for 50 years Compared to what is under the heavens It is nothing but fleeting Is there nothing in this world that lasts forever?" WE PRESS THE ATTACK!!
MrSmartDonkeyLP Nah, late game, I get 5x #of armies compared to my rivals (on Legendary, usually Otomo, Date, maybe Shimazu. And I can just sabotage their best military buildings, and they are screwed. I meanwhile, only ever need to build markets, and like you said in your video, encampment and drill yard somewhere with a smithy.
Did you really expect the devil king Nobunaga's clan be mediocre? Especially knowing Toyotomi Hideyoshi born a surname less hideous looking peasant but become the Taiko/defacto Shogun through a career of Ashigaru to commander under Oda, Alas, I was hoping for the game to give Oda the Tenka Fubu/conquer the world through military power banner, and or have a way to recruit Hideyoshi such as an event to recruit Hideyoshi triggers after an Oda force do enough battles without a general
In the late game is where Oda is the strongest faction. You can afford seven or eight ashigaru "elite" armies. I remember that at one point of my campaign after realm divided I had more armies combined that all of my enemies together and it made late game so easy. The only problem this faction has is that you can't unify northern Japan without triggering realm divided compared to Shimazu, Chosokabe or Otomo where you can hold the southern part of the map and prepare yourself for the late game.
Their not that useless, combining the matchlock samurai who can reload faster when using their ability along with kneel down fire position. Having them up front of the yari wall just having them slightly close then let them shoot volleys before retreating them plus that you could also have some archers/bow warrior monks to shoot over the yari wall. Combining archers behind yari wall and guns in front can save you from having to take forever to route the enemy before they get to your lines with the archers. The back lines in reserve with katana samurai, naginata samurai, or warrior monks will do great for helping push or flanking. Along with cav support of yari cav or great guard. I tried tons of strategies and tactics that matchlock units can be good with. Though I agree matchlock units are better for siege defense, but on the field they can be used to good effect even more.
@@koreancowboy42 They're usable--but I think they're just not competitive for cost and research time. Bow ashigaru are much more easily obtained and can skirmish better, more spears allow encirclements, and cavalry allow flanking. All of these are obtained much more easily than the burst damage/morale penalty of the matchlocks, who are briefly useful and then lose a lot of their utility the moment the enemy closes the gap. In siege defense though they're nuts, agreed.
@@superspies32 *Donderbuss cav are a different beast; I think it's relatively clear that the three of us were talking about matchlock infantry. And sure, they destroy bow warrior monks, but that's only if the A.I/bad player leaves them unprotected against cav like that.
@@koreancowboy42 There's another trick when in a defensive field battle against an opponent with lots of melee units. Deploy long yari in 5-10 rank squares in the front line (double-stacked yari if possible) with gaps between the units, and matchlocks in 2 or 3 ranks positioned behind the yari by about 50 feet. Enemy units will charge and get stuck on your long yari units, unable to squeeze through the gaps to your matchlocks. However your matchlocks can still fire through the gaps at the engaged enemy units, who will take heavy casualties + suffer a morale penalty.
that yari formation is how I try to use matchlocks, with the matchlocks just a little in front of the yari who I put in wall. it resembles tactics used in Europe during the time
Let me guess. You are basically role playing the legend of Oda Nobunaga. The man who nearly ended the Age of Samurai and Shogun by spitting on traditional samurai warfare and Japanese Culture with with his "evil" pike-shot army and "Christians."
Ravenpy He innovated. Japan would have torn itself apart eventually (beyond repair of a major civil war involving every member of the social hierarchy), and Europe would have exploited it, carving it up into oversees colonies, like they did the rest of the world. No Japanese culture would exist toady without Nobunaga. He saved a nation, but never lived to see his accopmlishments.
At the battle of Nagashino the Oda and Tokugawa fielded a total of 38.000 men(30.000 Oda, and 8000 Tokugawa). It consísted of 25.000 infantry, 10.000 cavalry, and 3000 arquebusiers.
Interesting fact about the Oda: in the game, it's advisable to spam a lot of Ashigarus and then outnumber the enemies with them. In real life, Oda defeated an army outnumbering them. Also, Oda beat the Mori in a naval battle.
Is it remotely possible for Oda to ally Tokugawa? In history the Daimyo of Imagawa invaded Oda and got killed. Eventually Takeda and Tokugawa defeated Imagawa and Tokugawa joined alliance with Oda. The alliance continued until the death of Oda Nobunaga. It is one of the longest lasting alliances in Sengoku Jidai. I think there is a mod that modifies diplomacy slightly to make it possible.
No, it is not possible, unless you pay them enough money, which is very bad idea, try to get a peace treaty after all their armies are gone (not sure if they will even accept that, and to do it, I think you have to destroy the Imagawa first), or vassalize them. They start at war, so the Tokugawa hates the Oda. Even if you manage to get a peace treaty, they still hate you.
"Human life lasts only 50 years, Contrast human life with life of Geten, It is but a very dream and illusion." - A verse from Zeami Motokiyo's "Atsumori" often associated with Oda Nobunaga
If you're inclined to use matchlock units for historical reasons, you can use the same tactic mrsmartdonkey recommends with double yari. Place your matchlock units inside the long yari wall and they will keep unleashing volleys into the enemy line long after they charge the yari wall
MrSmartDonkey was not kidding around with how much that +1 means. Oda was my first clan to finish the game on, and just now I started a Shimazu campaign. I decided to apply what I learned from Oda and what I learned from twwh2 together, using yari ashigaru as my main line, and having the katana samurai flank around the enemy, pseudo hammer and anvil style. I was surprised with how much more fragile the morale of regular yari ashigaru were compared to oda! It felt like the switch from playing as the dwarfs in total war warhammer to playing as the empire! Needless to say, i've adapted and overcome, but Oda still rules as my favorite faction it Shogun 2!
"I hope you will play the oda most effectively" Conquer Kyoto with 10 Full stack Yari Ashigaru only Army,no auto resolve,and general has the Ashigaru Boosting Skill and Retainers
You can actually attack the enemy capital to your north on turn 1; kill the rebel army with your main starting army, then have your daimyo siege Mino. They won't be able to recruit new troops, and the only unit you will have to fight when they sally out is a unit of samurai retainers; just cycle charge with your daimyo, and that northern province just became FREE REAL ESTATE!
+Xenon Samurai tended view peasants as worthless, with little action taken if a Samurai murdered a few. The Ikko ikki aren't the ruling family of the Clan rather the Ikko are represented by the Shimozuma clan that follow Shin Buddhist (ikko) teachings. So the starting clan is actually the Shimozuma clan, but combined with the reclusive Shin Monks.
Not really watching this for learning, moreso for entertaining, having played the game to death. I'd like to see your thoughts on the Hojo, though, because of their late game specialization and the starting position
Curious why you're not a fan of matchlocks? I love them, especially against cavalry. I think it looks really cool when you have them behind bamboo walls and the ai decides to suicide charge you and then bam a volley from 2-4 units just drops so many, i find them really nifty in siege battles to. Don't get me wrong there are factors where they not desirable like terrain and weather.
Because it's very deep in the tech tree that you'll get it in late game only. But by then, your army would already in the process of steamrolling Japan into submission, if not already conquered it. I myself got Matchlock by the time I already captured Kyoto and another 40 province to win long campaign. Even Import Matchlock need first contact event with Portuguese before you can build Nanban trade port to recruit them, which happened somewhere in 1560 - 1570, or almost 100 turns into the game that has maximum turn of 240. Exception is Otomo who has that Nanban Trade Port from the start. So the only plausible way to get Matchlock troops that can impact the campaign game in any meaningful way is to capture Otomo province and convert to Christian or play Otomo yourself. I'm contemplating trying Domination mode to see if I can get Matchlock to use in any meaningful way or not. But I heard that Short Campaign has research bonus to compensate for low turn count, don't know if the opposite is true for long game or not.
@@machaiping though having matchlock units still causes lots of losses. I do a 8 yari units with 3 yari archer units and three yari or samurai matchlock along with lots of cav too. Combining the Yari wall with matchlock units kneeling fire position is op along with the three archer units in the back since they have farther range it's better to keep them back either way since the matchlock can just wait while the enemy's get shot at by the archers. Once they get into range the matchlock can release volley after volley with their ability to shoot more/reload faster I guess? If the enemy got too close you can push the yari wall forward and let the match lock units go to the flanks to support the cav if the enemy has cav or other troops trying to out flank you.
@@koreancowboy42 The problem isn't their usefulness, the problem is that you can't get them until very late game. But by then you'd already finished the campaign. If you really want to play with matchlock, Otomo is the only one clan you can reasonably do that. With Oda or other Clan? It's doubtful due to reasons stated in above comment.
@@machaiping which is why you play slow, as Oda clan, I took it slow and building up different forces in strategic points of provinces so that the reserve forces will be more stronger than my medium or low tier troops. Until I unlock the matchlock samurai troops, I can have them on the front lines of my borders defending. So it's best you play it slow.
@@koreancowboy42 In my experience, you cannot take it slow in Long and Domination Hard mode, you either rush to grab as much land without triggering Realm Divide or risk falling behind economically, which translate to not enough armies to steamroll Japan before time limit. Not to mention research speed tied to number of castles you have, in other word, more towns = faster research speed = get matchlock faster. Unless you want to gamble on RNGesus dealing you the Portuguese contact event early, but those are much more expensive in upkeep than homebrew matchlock and no Samurai variant too.
I've been watching these overviews and have loved them. I got Shogun 2 some time ago on sale, played and got rolled hard because I didn't go in thinking. Came to find these videos and started to give it another go. I started an Oda playthrough about a week ago, and I can say that this guide helped alot. For those not sure how to play them it's simple, massive armies of Ashigaru. I'd have my general with 10 Yari and 9 bow Ashigaru units, and another army of 10 Yari and 10 bow ahigaru units backing him up. I was able to do this with all 5 Leaders I had running around the map. The Cannon Fodder faction.
In my Oda campaign, Hattori remained my ally throughout the whole game.....wow. I decided to build up my army to take out Takeda, but Ikko Ikki got there first. I wiped out the Hatakeyama clan, after destroying Tsutsui, Imagawa, and Tokugawa. but another clan obstructed my path to the western Ikko Ikki territory. The eastern front was South Shinano and Sorth Shinano, I have five armies, one of which is at max capacity, but it watching the western front so that the clan obstructing me doesn't attack (their armies are quite large, and it's worrying me) I plan to take most of Ikko Ikki's territory, get to Echizen, and attack the clan that was obstructing me from the north and south. After I take full control of central japan, I will expand East, keeping 2 armies on the Western front, watching Chosokabe, and Shimazu. I will make the Date my ally, if I can, and I'll have them take control of the west for the realm divide, and I'll let Hattori expand west so that they can have some resources for their military, so that they can actually help me. after I control the east, I'll have two armies on the East, just in case Date decide to attack me when I take Kyoto (I don't know too much about Shogun 2, so I dunno if Date will actually attack) At this point I don't really have a navy at all, since I actually don't really focus on that, so I'll build up a strong navy and invade Chosokabe, just to get rid of that lingering annoyance. Then I'll focus one of my armies on Yari Cavalry, just so I can deal with Shimazu with ease (Their katana samurai is what I'm afraid of, my first campaign was Shimazu, and I made the mistake of letting one of my old allies, Chosokabe get too strong, it's now a back and fourth war between Shimazu and Chosokabe) But after I wipe out the western great clans, I have nothing else to fear, I have full control of Japan, if Date of Hattori break the alliance and attack, Hattori won't be much of an issue, (I'll have Metsuke ready, for their Shinobi) and I'll just send in a bunch of Spear Ashigaru and Yari Cavalry, and some bow Ashigaru of course.
Couple of tips: You can make Saito a vassal on turn 1 and trade immediately, without giving them money. This allows you to focus on the Tokugawa and Imagawa. You can choose to not fight the rebel army on turn 1. Instead, wait a turn, then the Tokugawa army will enter your lands. Defeat both, then defeat the remnants, and your daimyo should get the "Summer Son" trait, which gives +1 morale and an extra +1 morale/+1 happiness in all regions during the summer.
The Oda yaris are beastly, yes, but only while their morale holds up. If they get flanked then they can literally start routing at 90% strength. Making sure that their flanks and rear are always covered, or investing in ashigaru commander, fixes this. This is ahistorical, but I find bow warrior monks or at least bow samurai to be crucial when used in conjunction with the spears. The only thing spear walls fear are enemy archers. You need superior archers to kill theirs, and then you can win any battle. A couple of cav regiments to guarantee your flanks are safe doesn't hurt either, and then just fill the rest of the army slots with yaris and long yaris.
Does anyone else here allow the Tokugawa army to come into Owari in the second turn of their Oda playthrough just so they can circumvent their army and take Mikawa so that their clan gets destroyed immediatly and their army won’t turn into a rebel army?
Funny how you're making info videos on shogun 2 when I just got back into after getting fall of the samurai on the steam sale. Very informative stuff after playing this game for years
Love your videos dude. They have been a big help to my campaigns. I completed my first oda campaign last night. I love the way you say yari drill yard I hear "Yari Julliard" and thats what I am calling it from now on 😂
Oda being easy depends heavily on your actual tactical ability, if you are good enough to take the province to the north and then sally out and destroy both the rebel stack and the stack that comes from the east on turn 3 with the few forces you'll have then you will have the easiest time ever, if you cannot find a quick resolution to both problems you will quickly be surrounded and overwhelmed
In every Oda campaign I have every played, on any difficulty, Saito ALWAYS sends its entire army (usually 6 or so units) into my Owari province without attacking the castle. In my Oda campaigns I just leave 1-2 archer units behind and go take their castle once they do that.
I've found that Mori can play very similarly to Oda, thanks to their starting temple giving extra morale to troops should you choose to upgrade it. It might be a smaller bonus, but it too allows you to field huge Ashigaru armies.
I have an interesting campaign with oda lately, I take it slow and play defensively by letting the tokugawa attack me several times until their army depleted, then I march on their province, I subjugate them and let them run freely until they play dirty against me by killing my ninja with metsuke, then shortly after the imagawa destroy them, I attack mikawa again, and rise the tokugawa again and this time they actually destroy the shattered imagawa army by marching on tsuruga, now I have a strong vassal so I can focus more on the west, that's kinda interesting because I feel it's just like the real history where tokugawa was actually oda vassal, except takeda were already destroyed on turn 2 -_-
The best thing about oda is their position towards kyoto , actually it was the reason that nobunaga succeded in becoming the greatest lord of japan even breifly before gettin killed in honno-ji
@@elkingoh4543 i dont think oda is sparta cause oda infantry is so weak.. Oda more likely Greece, or early level Macedon I think Shimizu more likely spartan of Shogun...hard to kill infantry
@@elkingoh4543 in early level Macedon playing is stacking pikemen and Hoplite to make impenetrable wall like Yari Ashigaru and Long yari formation stack
@@gerogero2011 Pikes went you fought defencive battle is terrifying, especially you know how to cover their gaps or forced the enemy to fight you, not you fight them
Oda is my favorite clan! Idc it's the best!!!! Lolz especially since the starting area is in the middle so you can choose where to go plus that if you have control over the entire middle area. It's funny since in my campagin I beaten almost every clan's army everyone with yari ashigaru comp. Even during late game, I can't believe the strength of Oda clan since I nearly beaten the Oda campaign if it wasn't for my mistake on rushing to the Shogunate since I pressed the button to attack and do the auto battle which costed me some forgetfully plans such as playing the defensive for everytime I capture a province until I gain enough money to have several army regiments in reserve because the Hojo and Takeda were my biggest challenge in the east while the other clan's in the west were already battling each other, so I didn't have to deal with them all until I didn't notice my character was made Shogun. So glad I saved when I didn't take over Kyoto and was still building my vast naval and land troops. Again, Oda! My favorite clan!!!
I really love the fact that you can actually create a effective army comp in Shogun 2 with Oda by recreating the "demon army" of "Devil incarnate" Oda Nobunaga.
My army setup with Oda is as follows. 1 General (of course) 6 cav (light or yari) 3 archers (best I can recruit) 8 Long yari 2 Naginata or Katana samurai (One placed on the end of each flank with the cavalry, this adds infantry flexibility and anti-spear defence for the flanks which my cav might not be able to handle)
I do this: 1 General 3 Calvary (1 Light Calvary, 2 Bowmen on horse) 2 Katana Samurai 3 Bow Ashigaru 6 Yari Ashigaru 3 Matchlock Ashigaru (mistake to be honest) Sometimes Yari Samurai, but that also feels like waste. And it wins me maybe 60-70% of battles.
I didn't have a chance to play campaign as Oda, but I did play a lot of battles as them. Usually matchlock Ashigaru were pretty useless - or at least I had very hard time to find good usage for them - I would build a ,,wall" of Yari Ashigaru, hide archers behind and have Katana Samurai at ready, and use small Calvary to provoke enemy to recklessly attack me. If I provoke Calvary, I'll just make them march into their death. If they're matchlocks, chances are I'll shoot them out before AI will even try to move them. If they're armed with Yari themselves, I'd just send Katana Samurai to deal with them. And if these are Samurai, I'd just send light Calvary. Only recently I started adding matchlocks for new strategy to break the advancing armies when they reached my rank - but it wasn't working as well as I expected it to. I know it all sounds silly, but I did win like 60% of my battles (on Easy difficulty, but still) - that's somewhat of a start, I guess...
Thanks! This really helped! I just got the game and was getting used to all the factions. I've played Total War loads of times before, but I feel the combat is a lot faster and intense. So thanks again! You just got a sub. :D
Definitely, and it's not a bad choice to switch over to them at all. What I meant by wanting to use Ashigaru throughout your entire campaign was just a general bit of advice, they can field higher tier armies as well as any other clan, but because of super low upkeep, you can easily just stick to Ashigaru armies which can be recruited incredibly quickly in the late game, and have such low upkeep that you can essentially recruit them indefinitely without ever running out of money (in the late game) meaning you can just keep a train of units going to the front line so that you'll never have to worry about being overrun. That sentence was way too long...
Man I think it's best for an oda campaigner to get a hold of either Kaga(north of Owari) and/or Sagami(west of Owari) provinces for their irons and blacksmiths they hold. If one would take and own those provinces, they can put one province with armoursmith + armoury encampment, while the other with weaponsmith + armoury encampment. For gold go get Izu province. For rice money get the provinces with fertile soil and turn it to one of your cash producer.
I think what's supposed to make the Oda challenging is their place on the map. Owari may be close to some valuable provinces, but being in central Japan means they can be attacked from multiple fronts by multiple enemies, especially since that 'Impolite' trait on your starting Daimyo means most clans are already positioned to dislike you, thus more willing to declare war on you. You can counter this by building relations and eventually ally with a clan that's doing well on one side so you can better focus on the opposite side but, again, that bloody 'Impolite' trait makes building positive relations very difficult, why does it give -20 to diplomatic relations, that is insane in the early game! That being said, you can get around this fairly reliably. Getting your starting Daimyo... removed can help. Nobunaga's only a few years away from being of age to lead so it's not a huge loss. You can also help counter the penalty Impolite gives you by getting high honour for your Daimyo. A good way to farm honour points imo is to vassalize a neighbour next to an enemy, let them get conquered by said enemy, reconquer that province and vassalize again and before long your Daimyo is considered 'exemplary'. If nothing else, it will at least build exp for your leading general and keep non-related generals loyal.
i downloaded shogun total war yesterday and i fucking love these videos. I played Shogun: Total War Warlord Edition for 100s of hours. Time to see what this game has to offer, so far, so good.
I've found a little finesse is required to defeat the Rebels in the first few turns. First time playing Oda I immediately attacked the Rebels with my army and was defeated handily (bad idea attacking an army deployed on a hill!). If I order my army into my fort, the Rebels sack my port & village. And my fort is vulnerable to assault if I march my army too far away (even if my army remains in Owari province). The key seems to be moving my army to a point between the Rebels and my village on the first turn - this lures the Rebels from their hilltop position to attack my undefended fort, hoping for a quick win. Except my army is still within support distance & can then win a decisive field battle with light casualties on autoresolve.
The provinces with the Buddhist temple buildings seems like the perfect area to recruit the ashigaru because of the moral bonus. And they can still be armoured
Bit look on the other side - if your ashigaru have +6 attack or bows have +30 accuracy, will they ever lose battles enough for morale bonuses to ever take effect?
The "problem" I have with Oda is that with those borders you will be constantly at war with your nieghbours, and you keep building armies after armies of just yari and bow ashigaru and advancing with your unstoppable armies, that the war front shifts so fast that you can't really justify building up a "military city". I just finished an Oda campaign (its only on hard) and I did not build a single unit of long yari ashigaru because i just can't justify spending nearly 10000 gold on upgrading to yari drill yard and armour encampment and max armoury for about 10 turns wait time when I walk from settlement to settlement in a turn and already able to take out Katana samurai with my experienced ashigaru. I only built like 5 cav units in total because there is just way too much gold I need to spend. I mean, its definitely a strong and fun clan to play as, but at the same time I also like to build up extremely strong combos of armies. And although it is very easy for Oda to do that, it still doesn't feel its worth it at all. Like why bother with long yari when your normal yari already kills literally everything lol
You advised getting rid of the yari drill yard, but you need the drill yard + encampment to raise long yari units. In custom battles I've doubled up long yaris (rather than long yari + regular yari) and they're nearly unstoppable, especially when deployed with matchlocks in the second rank, firing through gaps between yari units.
Yeah, but you’d want to recruit your units somewhere with a blacksmith, so you build the recruitment buildings there instead and use Owari for it’s big economic potential.
The Oda is difficult in that you'll get dragged into Wars constantly and if you don't consolidate the East you'll get over extended trying to fend off everyone everywhere.
Playing the Oda is just like being Saruman in Isengard. Pump out a bunch of very decent pikemen and overwhelm your enemy with disciplined spear walls and blast them away with European cannons if you're so inclined
you can take mino right away with one ashigaru unit and reinforce them in turn 2 to crush the pathetic rebel army. Doing it all the time. Even works on Legendary
for the oda while that is good and all just wait till they come under artillery fire and then that will become a lieablity cause they have to close in fast etc. force them to attack and they crumble easally. though there is a mod out there that allows more provinces and minor clans to be put in allowing all of the clans especially the oda and the tokugawa since they are both major clans and the latter unifies japan sucessfuly etc they will have the room to exapand.
They do, Oda's Matchlock Ashigaru are slightly superior to the Otomo's, having better melee stats and lower upkeep, however the Otomo's Matchlock Ashigaru can be recruited much earlier, before they have the gunpowder mastery art.
6:42 is literally pike stacking from Rome 2. Don’t know if it’s better than Rome 2s since the strat was pikes with sword infantry instead of yari and long yari
Interesting, I was actually having a bit of trouble playing as them. I am not very good at battles, my strong point is the campaign map. It's very useful to see their best tactics. I am looking forward to overlapping the units.
They're marked as hard because they're talking to average players not people who know what they're doing. Though I'm curious to your opinion, I always send my Daimyo (or other general if you prefer) up to siege Mino so they can't make any more units, is there a reason you avoid this?
Try the ODA on legendary and we'll see if they're easy! It is very hard at start due to the probable war between immagawa,tsutsui b(becuase honeslty the kitabatake don't survive more than to turn 5) not to mention the hattory and/or the ikko ikki
It's probably for historical accuracy. Nobunaga inherited Oda clan at its lowest point where the clan is divided, was threatened by much stronger neighbors, and was on the verge of total annihilation from Imagawa clan and their then vassal clan Tokugawa (then known as Matsudaira).
Oda Legendary's really a tossup. I got creamed once and then second time through it was a cakewalk. The problem with clans that start the campaign in the middle of the campaign is that how it turns out is completely a crapshoot thanks to diplomacy. In my first run the Hojo and Takeda allied and sent 5 simultaneous doomstacks into Suruga and Owari, while the Ikko Ikki had no one take care of them and sent 3 doomstacks down from the north. In my second, the Hojo and Imagawa wiped each other out and the Ikko was mobbed by its neighbors, leaving me with no one serious to fight.
Clan Strengths in a Nutshell: Hojo: Hunker down and bleed em out Date: BANZAIIIIIII Oda: 20 Armies for 5 dollars Tokugawa: For Historians Uesugi: Kill yourself Chosokabe: "Our arrows will blot out the sun!" Shimazu: Ya like Katana Samurai? Of course you do, have some more Mori: Exists Hattori: Gonna do some sneaky shit, do-da, do-da, hope I get away with it, de-da-do-da-day. Otomo: DEUS VULT! Takeda: For people who wish to field nothing but cavalry even in siege battles Ikko Ikki: I'm quirky and different
Pretty much every one had bright uniforms back then, including Chinese and Japanese. Bright uniforms allows Commanders to better identify and command his troops in the field especially when musket and muzzle loading cannons are in widespread use. Secondly, bright uniforms increases morale and look intimidating, just look at the British Red Coats. Thirdly, bright uniforms improves discipline and unit cohesion.
I imagine it would be considered hard because later in the game the devs expect you to stop using ashigaru units. As opposed to spamming so many armies of them that all those elite samurai units get overwhelmed by the neverending zerg rush of peasants.
I'd say somewhere between 5-8 hours. Writing the script and researching some bits and bobs takes me between 1 and 2 hours. Recording the audio takes about half an hour, I do a lot of retakes because I tend to speak to fast and becomes unclear. Recording the footage takes between 1 hour and a 1,5 hours, and finally editing it all together takes between 1 and 2 hours. I tend to spread these out over 2 days. So day 1 I write the script and record the audio, day 2 I record the footage and edit it together. With 3 edited videos a week that leaves 1 extra day in case I fall behind or just to give myself a break from editing.
Idk if they changed anything but my Oda campaign has been difficult because I get war decced by like 3 major clans in the first 5 turns and i have to maintain two full stacks just to keep them at bay and only push south if i can get a peace deal. Im trying not to expand north even with the war decs because it will be too difficult to defend. Then by the time you get to Hojo they are enormous and allied with the enormous Takeda
The Oda should've had access to matchlocks early on. Oda Nobunaga was a huge fan of guns and destroyed the Takeda cavalry using guns.
Yeh i agree, they could only need a powder maker, not a gunsmith.
Maybe due to the Game starting in 1545. Oda Nobunaga became the Daimyo in 1560
^Good point
While the primary source is conflicting and it is suspected most of the Takeda mounted troops (there are even debates on whether they truly are cavalry or just mounted footmen) were killed in melee, just like Agincourt.
@@hamzaferoz6162 It is this. Guns didn't spread that far in Honshu until 1550s, 1543-1544 is the year first ones appeared in Tanegashima (1543 first one was sold, in 1544 first ones were made domestically)
Having an army full of ashigarus, then suddenly being attacked by a samurai, monk or cavalry army...u will think of urself in a room, being advised by your retainers to retreat as it is useless to resist..but in ur mind:
"A human life lives only for 50 years
Compared to what is under the heavens
It is nothing but fleeting
Is there nothing in this world that lasts forever?"
WE PRESS THE ATTACK!!
And that is when other clans learned what happened if you mess with the Oda:
Mostly Bad Things
*loads matchlock with malicious intent*
Is this a Nobunaga's atsumori reference?? >:)
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Oda is, no matter the difficulty, the best, easiest and strongest faction.
I agree for the most part, I don't think they're the strongest faction in the late game, but they're definitely incredibly strong overall.
MrSmartDonkeyLP Nah, late game, I get 5x #of armies compared to my rivals (on Legendary, usually Otomo, Date, maybe Shimazu. And I can just sabotage their best military buildings, and they are screwed. I meanwhile, only ever need to build markets, and like you said in your video, encampment and drill yard somewhere with a smithy.
Did you really expect the devil king Nobunaga's clan be mediocre? Especially knowing Toyotomi Hideyoshi born a surname less hideous looking peasant but become the Taiko/defacto Shogun through a career of Ashigaru to commander under Oda, Alas, I was hoping for the game to give Oda the Tenka Fubu/conquer the world through military power banner, and or have a way to recruit Hideyoshi such as an event to recruit Hideyoshi triggers after an Oda force do enough battles without a general
In the late game is where Oda is the strongest faction. You can afford seven or eight ashigaru "elite" armies. I remember that at one point of my campaign after realm divided I had more armies combined that all of my enemies together and it made late game so easy. The only problem this faction has is that you can't unify northern Japan without triggering realm divided compared to Shimazu, Chosokabe or Otomo where you can hold the southern part of the map and prepare yourself for the late game.
But their colo suuuucks and It's sad because I'd love to play with them.
Agree on matchlock; useless in the field, but in defensive castle battles, they're beasts, easily racking up 4-500 kills.
Their not that useless, combining the matchlock samurai who can reload faster when using their ability along with kneel down fire position. Having them up front of the yari wall just having them slightly close then let them shoot volleys before retreating them plus that you could also have some archers/bow warrior monks to shoot over the yari wall. Combining archers behind yari wall and guns in front can save you from having to take forever to route the enemy before they get to your lines with the archers.
The back lines in reserve with katana samurai, naginata samurai, or warrior monks will do great for helping push or flanking. Along with cav support of yari cav or great guard.
I tried tons of strategies and tactics that matchlock units can be good with. Though I agree matchlock units are better for siege defense, but on the field they can be used to good effect even more.
@@koreancowboy42 They're usable--but I think they're just not competitive for cost and research time. Bow ashigaru are much more easily obtained and can skirmish better, more spears allow encirclements, and cavalry allow flanking. All of these are obtained much more easily than the burst damage/morale penalty of the matchlocks, who are briefly useful and then lose a lot of their utility the moment the enemy closes the gap.
In siege defense though they're nuts, agreed.
Laughs in my dumbass calvary which can tear down entire monk archer by 1-2 volley
@@superspies32 *Donderbuss cav are a different beast; I think it's relatively clear that the three of us were talking about matchlock infantry.
And sure, they destroy bow warrior monks, but that's only if the A.I/bad player leaves them unprotected against cav like that.
@@koreancowboy42 There's another trick when in a defensive field battle against an opponent with lots of melee units.
Deploy long yari in 5-10 rank squares in the front line (double-stacked yari if possible) with gaps between the units, and matchlocks in 2 or 3 ranks positioned behind the yari by about 50 feet. Enemy units will charge and get stuck on your long yari units, unable to squeeze through the gaps to your matchlocks. However your matchlocks can still fire through the gaps at the engaged enemy units, who will take heavy casualties + suffer a morale penalty.
that yari formation is how I try to use matchlocks, with the matchlocks just a little in front of the yari who I put in wall. it resembles tactics used in Europe during the time
i have to try that
you mean the " pike and shot "?
Let me guess. You are basically role playing the legend of Oda Nobunaga. The man who nearly ended the Age of Samurai and Shogun by spitting on traditional samurai warfare and Japanese Culture with with his "evil" pike-shot army and "Christians."
he almost did so, a pity tokugawa and hideyoshi were less acomplished generals.
Ravenpy He innovated. Japan would have torn itself apart eventually (beyond repair of a major civil war involving every member of the social hierarchy), and Europe would have exploited it, carving it up into oversees colonies, like they did the rest of the world. No Japanese culture would exist toady without Nobunaga. He saved a nation, but never lived to see his accopmlishments.
At the battle of Nagashino the Oda and Tokugawa fielded a total of 38.000 men(30.000 Oda, and 8000 Tokugawa). It consísted of 25.000 infantry, 10.000 cavalry, and 3000 arquebusiers.
Who needs archers
Interesting fact about the Oda: in the game, it's advisable to spam a lot of Ashigarus and then outnumber the enemies with them.
In real life, Oda defeated an army outnumbering them.
Also, Oda beat the Mori in a naval battle.
3000 beat 30000 night raid.
That should have been pretty embarrasing
Masters of Pheasants would be nice.
Is it remotely possible for Oda to ally Tokugawa? In history the Daimyo of Imagawa invaded Oda and got killed. Eventually Takeda and Tokugawa defeated Imagawa and Tokugawa joined alliance with Oda. The alliance continued until the death of Oda Nobunaga. It is one of the longest lasting alliances in Sengoku Jidai. I think there is a mod that modifies diplomacy slightly to make it possible.
No, it is not possible, unless you pay them enough money, which is very bad idea, try to get a peace treaty after all their armies are gone (not sure if they will even accept that, and to do it, I think you have to destroy the Imagawa first), or vassalize them. They start at war, so the Tokugawa hates the Oda. Even if you manage to get a peace treaty, they still hate you.
***** Thanks for the info!
Qikun Xiang idk why it isnt in the base game maybe because they think it will require a lot of programming
that would imply you hold of the tokugawa, the daimyo dies, you wait 20 something years until ieyasu grows up.
No point to. If you vassalize them they betray you, if not within the next 20 turns then definitely with realm divide.
"Human life lasts only 50 years, Contrast human life with life of Geten, It is but a very dream and illusion."
- A verse from Zeami Motokiyo's "Atsumori" often associated with Oda Nobunaga
If you're inclined to use matchlock units for historical reasons, you can use the same tactic mrsmartdonkey recommends with double yari. Place your matchlock units inside the long yari wall and they will keep unleashing volleys into the enemy line long after they charge the yari wall
thats actually kinda similar to how europeans fought in pike and shot which makes me appreciate this game even more
MrSmartDonkey was not kidding around with how much that +1 means. Oda was my first clan to finish the game on, and just now I started a Shimazu campaign.
I decided to apply what I learned from Oda and what I learned from twwh2 together, using yari ashigaru as my main line, and having the katana samurai flank around the enemy, pseudo hammer and anvil style.
I was surprised with how much more fragile the morale of regular yari ashigaru were compared to oda! It felt like the switch from playing as the dwarfs in total war warhammer to playing as the empire!
Needless to say, i've adapted and overcome, but Oda still rules as my favorite faction it Shogun 2!
"I hope you will play the oda most effectively"
Conquer Kyoto with 10 Full stack Yari Ashigaru only Army,no auto resolve,and general has the Ashigaru Boosting Skill and Retainers
I always feel like I'm cheating when I play with the Oda.
Well. There is a reason why Oda Nobunaga almost ended the Age of Samurai and Shogun if he did not get assassinated.
Glad his armour absorb the 2 shots
You can actually attack the enemy capital to your north on turn 1; kill the rebel army with your main starting army, then have your daimyo siege Mino. They won't be able to recruit new troops, and the only unit you will have to fight when they sally out is a unit of samurai retainers; just cycle charge with your daimyo, and that northern province just became FREE REAL ESTATE!
yeah but you would have to deal with low phblic order from turn 1.
The "Soviet" of Sengoku Era XD
Muhammad Calvin I think those would be the Ikko Ikki.
Muhammad Calvin That meme should be:
Zerg Rush: winning battles since 1545.
Muhammad Calvin
But the Ikko have little communist revolutions.
Well... The Ikko are closer to the Communist Ideals than a noble Family in feudal Japan, who sustains itself by suppressing the working class.
+Xenon
Samurai tended view peasants as worthless, with little action taken if a Samurai murdered a few. The Ikko ikki aren't the ruling family of the Clan rather the Ikko are represented by the Shimozuma clan that follow Shin Buddhist (ikko) teachings. So the starting clan is actually the Shimozuma clan, but combined with the reclusive Shin Monks.
Not really watching this for learning, moreso for entertaining, having played the game to death.
I'd like to see your thoughts on the Hojo, though, because of their late game specialization and the starting position
Curious why you're not a fan of matchlocks? I love them, especially against cavalry. I think it looks really cool when you have them behind bamboo walls and the ai decides to suicide charge you and then bam a volley from 2-4 units just drops so many, i find them really nifty in siege battles to. Don't get me wrong there are factors where they not desirable like terrain and weather.
Because it's very deep in the tech tree that you'll get it in late game only. But by then, your army would already in the process of steamrolling Japan into submission, if not already conquered it. I myself got Matchlock by the time I already captured Kyoto and another 40 province to win long campaign.
Even Import Matchlock need first contact event with Portuguese before you can build Nanban trade port to recruit them, which happened somewhere in 1560 - 1570, or almost 100 turns into the game that has maximum turn of 240.
Exception is Otomo who has that Nanban Trade Port from the start. So the only plausible way to get Matchlock troops that can impact the campaign game in any meaningful way is to capture Otomo province and convert to Christian or play Otomo yourself.
I'm contemplating trying Domination mode to see if I can get Matchlock to use in any meaningful way or not. But I heard that Short Campaign has research bonus to compensate for low turn count, don't know if the opposite is true for long game or not.
@@machaiping though having matchlock units still causes lots of losses. I do a 8 yari units with 3 yari archer units and three yari or samurai matchlock along with lots of cav too. Combining the Yari wall with matchlock units kneeling fire position is op along with the three archer units in the back since they have farther range it's better to keep them back either way since the matchlock can just wait while the enemy's get shot at by the archers. Once they get into range the matchlock can release volley after volley with their ability to shoot more/reload faster I guess?
If the enemy got too close you can push the yari wall forward and let the match lock units go to the flanks to support the cav if the enemy has cav or other troops trying to out flank you.
@@koreancowboy42 The problem isn't their usefulness, the problem is that you can't get them until very late game. But by then you'd already finished the campaign.
If you really want to play with matchlock, Otomo is the only one clan you can reasonably do that. With Oda or other Clan? It's doubtful due to reasons stated in above comment.
@@machaiping which is why you play slow, as Oda clan, I took it slow and building up different forces in strategic points of provinces so that the reserve forces will be more stronger than my medium or low tier troops. Until I unlock the matchlock samurai troops, I can have them on the front lines of my borders defending. So it's best you play it slow.
@@koreancowboy42 In my experience, you cannot take it slow in Long and Domination Hard mode, you either rush to grab as much land without triggering Realm Divide or risk falling behind economically, which translate to not enough armies to steamroll Japan before time limit.
Not to mention research speed tied to number of castles you have, in other word, more towns = faster research speed = get matchlock faster. Unless you want to gamble on RNGesus dealing you the Portuguese contact event early, but those are much more expensive in upkeep than homebrew matchlock and no Samurai variant too.
Just found this channel.This is amazing.
"That is like Shingen. For three years after his death, he successfully deceived me."
I've been watching these overviews and have loved them. I got Shogun 2 some time ago on sale, played and got rolled hard because I didn't go in thinking. Came to find these videos and started to give it another go.
I started an Oda playthrough about a week ago, and I can say that this guide helped alot. For those not sure how to play them it's simple, massive armies of Ashigaru. I'd have my general with 10 Yari and 9 bow Ashigaru units, and another army of 10 Yari and 10 bow ahigaru units backing him up. I was able to do this with all 5 Leaders I had running around the map. The Cannon Fodder faction.
In my Oda campaign, Hattori remained my ally throughout the whole game.....wow. I decided to build up my army to take out Takeda, but Ikko Ikki got there first. I wiped out the Hatakeyama clan, after destroying Tsutsui, Imagawa, and Tokugawa. but another clan obstructed my path to the western Ikko Ikki territory.
The eastern front was South Shinano and Sorth Shinano, I have five armies, one of which is at max capacity, but it watching the western front so that the clan obstructing me doesn't attack (their armies are quite large, and it's worrying me) I plan to take most of Ikko Ikki's territory, get to Echizen, and attack the clan that was obstructing me from the north and south.
After I take full control of central japan, I will expand East, keeping 2 armies on the Western front, watching Chosokabe, and Shimazu. I will make the Date my ally, if I can, and I'll have them take control of the west for the realm divide, and I'll let Hattori expand west so that they can have some resources for their military, so that they can actually help me. after I control the east, I'll have two armies on the East, just in case Date decide to attack me when I take Kyoto (I don't know too much about Shogun 2, so I dunno if Date will actually attack)
At this point I don't really have a navy at all, since I actually don't really focus on that, so I'll build up a strong navy and invade Chosokabe, just to get rid of that lingering annoyance. Then I'll focus one of my armies on Yari Cavalry, just so I can deal with Shimazu with ease (Their katana samurai is what I'm afraid of, my first campaign was Shimazu, and I made the mistake of letting one of my old allies, Chosokabe get too strong, it's now a back and fourth war between Shimazu and Chosokabe)
But after I wipe out the western great clans, I have nothing else to fear, I have full control of Japan, if Date of Hattori break the alliance and attack, Hattori won't be much of an issue, (I'll have Metsuke ready, for their Shinobi) and I'll just send in a bunch of Spear Ashigaru and Yari Cavalry, and some bow Ashigaru of course.
Couple of tips:
You can make Saito a vassal on turn 1 and trade immediately, without giving them money. This allows you to focus on the Tokugawa and Imagawa.
You can choose to not fight the rebel army on turn 1. Instead, wait a turn, then the Tokugawa army will enter your lands. Defeat both, then defeat the remnants, and your daimyo should get the "Summer Son" trait, which gives +1 morale and an extra +1 morale/+1 happiness in all regions during the summer.
The Oda yaris are beastly, yes, but only while their morale holds up. If they get flanked then they can literally start routing at 90% strength. Making sure that their flanks and rear are always covered, or investing in ashigaru commander, fixes this.
This is ahistorical, but I find bow warrior monks or at least bow samurai to be crucial when used in conjunction with the spears. The only thing spear walls fear are enemy archers. You need superior archers to kill theirs, and then you can win any battle. A couple of cav regiments to guarantee your flanks are safe doesn't hurt either, and then just fill the rest of the army slots with yaris and long yaris.
Does anyone else here allow the Tokugawa army to come into Owari in the second turn of their Oda playthrough just so they can circumvent their army and take Mikawa so that their clan gets destroyed immediatly and their army won’t turn into a rebel army?
the Wa-ing is almost perfect.
To the West lies Mika"Wa",Owned by Tokuga"Wa",and next to the Imaga"Wa"
Funny how you're making info videos on shogun 2 when I just got back into after getting fall of the samurai on the steam sale. Very informative stuff after playing this game for years
Love your videos dude. They have been a big help to my campaigns. I completed my first oda campaign last night. I love the way you say yari drill yard I hear "Yari Julliard" and thats what I am calling it from now on 😂
its kinda odd I thought masters of peasants would also get buffs to farms, but that may have been op
Wanna make Oda more OP?
-Light and Yari Cavalry get the same buffs!
-20% more Farm income!
-Ashigaru units have more men in them!
Oda being easy depends heavily on your actual tactical ability, if you are good enough to take the province to the north and then sally out and destroy both the rebel stack and the stack that comes from the east on turn 3 with the few forces you'll have then you will have the easiest time ever, if you cannot find a quick resolution to both problems you will quickly be surrounded and overwhelmed
Oda was the first and at this time only faction I ever reached realm divide with
Basically, Japanese Hellenic Faction
Tin
Nobunaga was the alexander of Japan
Sovjets of Sengoku Jidai :D
And army of purely consists of Long Yari Ashigarus, Bow Ashigarus and Matchlock Ashigarus are definately hard to beat.
I’m about to enter in a war with Oda. They are twice as big :( wish me luck
The Lone Traveller Oh boy against Oda ? Good luck man !
Ambush or bust
In every Oda campaign I have every played, on any difficulty, Saito ALWAYS sends its entire army (usually 6 or so units) into my Owari province without attacking the castle. In my Oda campaigns I just leave 1-2 archer units behind and go take their castle once they do that.
I've found that Mori can play very similarly to Oda, thanks to their starting temple giving extra morale to troops should you choose to upgrade it. It might be a smaller bonus, but it too allows you to field huge Ashigaru armies.
Can u do a overview of Chosokabe clan?
I was doing fine until the Realm Divide event
Story of every Shogun 2 campaign
that should be the motto of shogun 2
Prepare before u trigger it
Uesugi pls
I have an interesting campaign with oda lately, I take it slow and play defensively by letting the tokugawa attack me several times until their army depleted, then I march on their province, I subjugate them and let them run freely until they play dirty against me by killing my ninja with metsuke, then shortly after the imagawa destroy them, I attack mikawa again, and rise the tokugawa again and this time they actually destroy the shattered imagawa army by marching on tsuruga, now I have a strong vassal so I can focus more on the west, that's kinda interesting because I feel it's just like the real history where tokugawa was actually oda vassal, except takeda were already destroyed on turn 2 -_-
I love these guys. Long Yaris, Asigaru bows and yari cavalry, you can have so many cheap but powerful armies all at once.
The best thing about oda is their position towards kyoto , actually it was the reason that nobunaga succeded in becoming the greatest lord of japan even breifly before gettin killed in honno-ji
When you do your tutorial series I would like some help figuring out the mastery of the arts
You can make peace with the Saito, get a trade agreement and a bride in the first turn. I like to do that and focus in the other side completely.
ODA Gameplay like playing Rome 2 with Greece faction (Yari Wall instead of Pike Wall/hoplite wall)
They are literally Sparta of Shogun 2
@@elkingoh4543 i dont think oda is sparta cause oda infantry is so weak..
Oda more likely Greece, or early level Macedon
I think Shimizu more likely spartan of Shogun...hard to kill infantry
@@gerogero2011 Macedonia? Not bad
@@elkingoh4543 in early level Macedon playing is stacking pikemen and Hoplite to make impenetrable wall like Yari Ashigaru and Long yari formation stack
@@gerogero2011 Pikes went you fought defencive battle is terrifying, especially you know how to cover their gaps or forced the enemy to fight you, not you fight them
Ikko Ikki: Then, gun monks!!
Oda: Then, gun ashigaru!!!
Oda is my favorite clan! Idc it's the best!!!! Lolz especially since the starting area is in the middle so you can choose where to go plus that if you have control over the entire middle area. It's funny since in my campagin I beaten almost every clan's army everyone with yari ashigaru comp. Even during late game, I can't believe the strength of Oda clan since I nearly beaten the Oda campaign if it wasn't for my mistake on rushing to the Shogunate since I pressed the button to attack and do the auto battle which costed me some forgetfully plans such as playing the defensive for everytime I capture a province until I gain enough money to have several army regiments in reserve because the Hojo and Takeda were my biggest challenge in the east while the other clan's in the west were already battling each other, so I didn't have to deal with them all until I didn't notice my character was made Shogun. So glad I saved when I didn't take over Kyoto and was still building my vast naval and land troops.
Again, Oda! My favorite clan!!!
I really love the fact that you can actually create a effective army comp in Shogun 2 with Oda by recreating the "demon army" of "Devil incarnate" Oda Nobunaga.
ZEHI MO NASHI
How do you do that?
My army setup with Oda is as follows.
1 General (of course)
6 cav (light or yari)
3 archers (best I can recruit)
8 Long yari
2 Naginata or Katana samurai (One placed on the end of each flank with the cavalry, this adds infantry flexibility and anti-spear defence for the flanks which my cav might not be able to handle)
I do this:
1 General
3 Calvary (1 Light Calvary, 2 Bowmen on horse)
2 Katana Samurai
3 Bow Ashigaru
6 Yari Ashigaru
3 Matchlock Ashigaru (mistake to be honest)
Sometimes Yari Samurai, but that also feels like waste.
And it wins me maybe 60-70% of battles.
I didn't have a chance to play campaign as Oda, but I did play a lot of battles as them.
Usually matchlock Ashigaru were pretty useless - or at least I had very hard time to find good usage for them - I would build a ,,wall" of Yari Ashigaru, hide archers behind and have Katana Samurai at ready, and use small Calvary to provoke enemy to recklessly attack me. If I provoke Calvary, I'll just make them march into their death. If they're matchlocks, chances are I'll shoot them out before AI will even try to move them. If they're armed with Yari themselves, I'd just send Katana Samurai to deal with them. And if these are Samurai, I'd just send light Calvary. Only recently I started adding matchlocks for new strategy to break the advancing armies when they reached my rank - but it wasn't working as well as I expected it to.
I know it all sounds silly, but I did win like 60% of my battles (on Easy difficulty, but still) - that's somewhat of a start, I guess...
The output of your channel has been very good lately, keep it up!
Thanks, will do :).
Thanks! This really helped! I just got the game and was getting used to all the factions. I've played Total War loads of times before, but I feel the combat is a lot faster and intense. So thanks again! You just got a sub. :D
Welcome to the channel!
keep up the great work mister donkey!
I M SOO EXITED TO PLAY THIS WITH BRAIN,
That music is like Catnip to my nose. Love it
these are really helpful. thank you! although I wanna ask. late game wouldnt bow warrior monks be stronger?
Definitely, and it's not a bad choice to switch over to them at all. What I meant by wanting to use Ashigaru throughout your entire campaign was just a general bit of advice, they can field higher tier armies as well as any other clan, but because of super low upkeep, you can easily just stick to Ashigaru armies which can be recruited incredibly quickly in the late game, and have such low upkeep that you can essentially recruit them indefinitely without ever running out of money (in the late game) meaning you can just keep a train of units going to the front line so that you'll never have to worry about being overrun.
That sentence was way too long...
Man I think it's best for an oda campaigner to get a hold of either Kaga(north of Owari) and/or Sagami(west of Owari) provinces for their irons and blacksmiths they hold. If one would take and own those provinces, they can put one province with armoursmith + armoury encampment, while the other with weaponsmith + armoury encampment. For gold go get Izu province. For rice money get the provinces with fertile soil and turn it to one of your cash producer.
I think what's supposed to make the Oda challenging is their place on the map. Owari may be close to some valuable provinces, but being in central Japan means they can be attacked from multiple fronts by multiple enemies, especially since that 'Impolite' trait on your starting Daimyo means most clans are already positioned to dislike you, thus more willing to declare war on you. You can counter this by building relations and eventually ally with a clan that's doing well on one side so you can better focus on the opposite side but, again, that bloody 'Impolite' trait makes building positive relations very difficult, why does it give -20 to diplomatic relations, that is insane in the early game!
That being said, you can get around this fairly reliably. Getting your starting Daimyo... removed can help. Nobunaga's only a few years away from being of age to lead so it's not a huge loss. You can also help counter the penalty Impolite gives you by getting high honour for your Daimyo. A good way to farm honour points imo is to vassalize a neighbour next to an enemy, let them get conquered by said enemy, reconquer that province and vassalize again and before long your Daimyo is considered 'exemplary'. If nothing else, it will at least build exp for your leading general and keep non-related generals loyal.
Vassal the Saito and Tokugawa. Take Omi. That’s my Oda campaign everytime
Thanks for making these !
i downloaded shogun total war yesterday and i fucking love these videos. I played Shogun: Total War Warlord Edition for 100s of hours. Time to see what this game has to offer, so far, so good.
Oda Long Yari Ashigaru in yari wall is my absolute favorite
When I played the original Shogun: Total War back in college, I won that game using the Oda clan.
I've found a little finesse is required to defeat the Rebels in the first few turns. First time playing Oda I immediately attacked the Rebels with my army and was defeated handily (bad idea attacking an army deployed on a hill!).
If I order my army into my fort, the Rebels sack my port & village. And my fort is vulnerable to assault if I march my army too far away (even if my army remains in Owari province).
The key seems to be moving my army to a point between the Rebels and my village on the first turn - this lures the Rebels from their hilltop position to attack my undefended fort, hoping for a quick win. Except my army is still within support distance & can then win a decisive field battle with light casualties on autoresolve.
The provinces with the Buddhist temple buildings seems like the perfect area to recruit the ashigaru because of the moral bonus. And they can still be armoured
Bit look on the other side - if your ashigaru have +6 attack or bows have +30 accuracy, will they ever lose battles enough for morale bonuses to ever take effect?
I think it's noteworthy that you can turn the Saito into a vassal on turn 1 even on legendary difficulty.
The "problem" I have with Oda is that with those borders you will be constantly at war with your nieghbours, and you keep building armies after armies of just yari and bow ashigaru and advancing with your unstoppable armies, that the war front shifts so fast that you can't really justify building up a "military city".
I just finished an Oda campaign (its only on hard) and I did not build a single unit of long yari ashigaru because i just can't justify spending nearly 10000 gold on upgrading to yari drill yard and armour encampment and max armoury for about 10 turns wait time when I walk from settlement to settlement in a turn and already able to take out Katana samurai with my experienced ashigaru.
I only built like 5 cav units in total because there is just way too much gold I need to spend. I mean, its definitely a strong and fun clan to play as, but at the same time I also like to build up extremely strong combos of armies. And although it is very easy for Oda to do that, it still doesn't feel its worth it at all. Like why bother with long yari when your normal yari already kills literally everything lol
You advised getting rid of the yari drill yard, but you need the drill yard + encampment to raise long yari units.
In custom battles I've doubled up long yaris (rather than long yari + regular yari) and they're nearly unstoppable, especially when deployed with matchlocks in the second rank, firing through gaps between yari units.
Yeah, but you’d want to recruit your units somewhere with a blacksmith, so you build the recruitment buildings there instead and use Owari for it’s big economic potential.
@@MrSmartDonkeyLP Ah ok - I'll have to scout out neighboring provinces for blacksmiths.
@@RobertWF42 Kaga and Sagami are the closest ones and most logical to make into a recruitment province.
I think having Oda Nobunaga should be one of their listed campaign buffs
Oda nobunaga and toyotomi hideyeoshi- noiccceeeeeee 😎😎
If you use the MoS mod, then I guarantee you that the Oda campaign is more difficult that the vanilla campaign, nice review btw!
The Oda is difficult in that you'll get dragged into Wars constantly and if you don't consolidate the East you'll get over extended trying to fend off everyone everywhere.
The reason that it says they have a hard start is because originally the neighboring factions were a lot stronger before they patched it.
The only way they might be hard are the first few turns. Surrounded by enemies, if the AI gets greedy and you lose those early engagements....
Well yeah, any clan is difficult if you lose the first few engagements.
Really nice videos, keep it up. I love your channel
im at college watching this on a potato and you just made me want to play shogun ii some more
guess i'll just play rome with my hoplite ashigaru
Playing the Oda is just like being Saruman in Isengard. Pump out a bunch of very decent pikemen and overwhelm your enemy with disciplined spear walls and blast them away with European cannons if you're so inclined
big pog until realm divide
I think,just from an historical perspective,that the oda should have had traits for fire arms and a bonus in research points to get fire arms sooner.
you can take mino right away with one ashigaru unit and reinforce them in turn 2 to crush the pathetic rebel army. Doing it all the time. Even works on Legendary
They are the best especially if combined with the katana Ashigaru mod
You know, I struggled playing total war until I decided to try the Oda, now I am pushing towards Realm Divide
for the oda while that is good and all just wait till they come under artillery fire and then that will become a lieablity cause they have to close in fast etc. force them to attack and they crumble easally. though there is a mod out there that allows more provinces and minor clans to be put in allowing all of the clans especially the oda and the tokugawa since they are both major clans and the latter unifies japan sucessfuly etc they will have the room to exapand.
Vincent Celeste what artillery? There is no good artillery in vanilla shogun 2 (except if you count the hand rocketeers)
Plus you would have destroyed most clans by the time someone can get good artillerry making you sending a tsunami of soldiers to overwhelm them.
@@HenriqueRJchiki i think you can use the glass cannon as bait.
Historically the Oda also used gunpowder to great effect. I feel they should also have some Otomo like capabilities with upgraded matchlock units.
They do, Oda's Matchlock Ashigaru are slightly superior to the Otomo's, having better melee stats and lower upkeep, however the Otomo's Matchlock Ashigaru can be recruited much earlier, before they have the gunpowder mastery art.
6:42 is literally pike stacking from Rome 2. Don’t know if it’s better than Rome 2s since the strat was pikes with sword infantry instead of yari and long yari
Im digging these
Interesting, I was actually having a bit of trouble playing as them. I am not very good at battles, my strong point is the campaign map. It's very useful to see their best tactics. I am looking forward to overlapping the units.
im hoping for a tokugawa review next
They're marked as hard because they're talking to average players not people who know what they're doing.
Though I'm curious to your opinion, I always send my Daimyo (or other general if you prefer) up to siege Mino so they can't make any more units, is there a reason you avoid this?
Try the ODA on legendary and we'll see if they're easy! It is very hard at start due to the probable war between immagawa,tsutsui b(becuase honeslty the kitabatake don't survive more than to turn 5) not to mention the hattory and/or the ikko ikki
It's probably for historical accuracy. Nobunaga inherited Oda clan at its lowest point where the clan is divided, was threatened by much stronger neighbors, and was on the verge of total annihilation from Imagawa clan and their then vassal clan Tokugawa (then known as Matsudaira).
Oda Legendary's really a tossup. I got creamed once and then second time through it was a cakewalk.
The problem with clans that start the campaign in the middle of the campaign is that how it turns out is completely a crapshoot thanks to diplomacy. In my first run the Hojo and Takeda allied and sent 5 simultaneous doomstacks into Suruga and Owari, while the Ikko Ikki had no one take care of them and sent 3 doomstacks down from the north. In my second, the Hojo and Imagawa wiped each other out and the Ikko was mobbed by its neighbors, leaving me with no one serious to fight.
@@brainwasher9876 Indeed! It's a coin flip
Clan Strengths in a Nutshell:
Hojo: Hunker down and bleed em out
Date: BANZAIIIIIII
Oda: 20 Armies for 5 dollars
Tokugawa: For Historians
Uesugi: Kill yourself
Chosokabe: "Our arrows will blot out the sun!"
Shimazu: Ya like Katana Samurai? Of course you do, have some more
Mori: Exists
Hattori: Gonna do some sneaky shit, do-da, do-da, hope I get away with it, de-da-do-da-day.
Otomo: DEUS VULT!
Takeda: For people who wish to field nothing but cavalry even in siege battles
Ikko Ikki: I'm quirky and different
Too bad they have horribly bright uniforms. Then again, luckily there are mods for that.
Pretty much every one had bright uniforms back then, including Chinese and Japanese. Bright uniforms allows Commanders to better identify and command his troops in the field especially when musket and muzzle loading cannons are in widespread use. Secondly, bright uniforms increases morale and look intimidating, just look at the British Red Coats. Thirdly, bright uniforms improves discipline and unit cohesion.
Pike and shot baby
Yari Ashigaru units are straight up broken. Cheap, sturdy, easy to make and good to use as cannon fodder
I imagine it would be considered hard because later in the game the devs expect you to stop using ashigaru units. As opposed to spamming so many armies of them that all those elite samurai units get overwhelmed by the neverending zerg rush of peasants.
These are well done. How long do these videos take to make? Just curious.
I'd say somewhere between 5-8 hours. Writing the script and researching some bits and bobs takes me between 1 and 2 hours. Recording the audio takes about half an hour, I do a lot of retakes because I tend to speak to fast and becomes unclear. Recording the footage takes between 1 hour and a 1,5 hours, and finally editing it all together takes between 1 and 2 hours. I tend to spread these out over 2 days. So day 1 I write the script and record the audio, day 2 I record the footage and edit it together. With 3 edited videos a week that leaves 1 extra day in case I fall behind or just to give myself a break from editing.
man i didn’t even realize that the melee buff saved my ass in an ikko ikki ambush
Idk if they changed anything but my Oda campaign has been difficult because I get war decced by like 3 major clans in the first 5 turns and i have to maintain two full stacks just to keep them at bay and only push south if i can get a peace deal. Im trying not to expand north even with the war decs because it will be too difficult to defend. Then by the time you get to Hojo they are enormous and allied with the enormous Takeda
Tokugawa next?
Nice video. Otomo next please?
Might be a bit late, but 3:47 sounds exactly like me.
This video is Yarimazing!
i actually keep my yari samurai throughout the campaign. theyre good cannon fodder