Ferrari Attacked BeamNG modders

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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024

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  • @TeaCup1987
    @TeaCup1987 7 месяцев назад +1850

    At this point, It's quite surprising Ferrari didn't sue Ford for the fact that Mustang is also a car with horse on it.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +246

      lol back then it would have been too hard, they were bankrupt (fanatically bankrupt, not morally bankrupt like they are now), and ford has always been way too rich

    • @indominusrex1652
      @indominusrex1652 7 месяцев назад +69

      If they had that amount of money they would 100% sue Ford

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +94

      @@indominusrex1652 oh yeah totally. They used to only sell cars to fund racing, now they just like to take dumps on the little people

    • @bitelaserkhalif
      @bitelaserkhalif 7 месяцев назад +18

      Porsche:

    • @MikoLanthierFrechette
      @MikoLanthierFrechette 7 месяцев назад +10

      Also the bronco had a horse logo.

  • @Jonathan63R
    @Jonathan63R 7 месяцев назад +875

    You could technically model the "Ferrari" F40 Barchetta, since they themselves don't consider it their car anymore

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +184

      oh hahaha that's a very good point!!

    • @Ferrari255GTO
      @Ferrari255GTO 7 месяцев назад +98

      Imagine making them pay damages from their own bullshit they said

    • @capitanenterich9845
      @capitanenterich9845 7 месяцев назад +82

      @@Ferrari255GTO Carefull with that username ;p

    • @Ferrari255GTO
      @Ferrari255GTO 7 месяцев назад +44

      @@capitanenterich9845 as i said in my now deleted comment, it's the cars that i like, not the brand. Sadly the name comes along with the cars...

    • @zefa3867
      @zefa3867 7 месяцев назад +10

      Or the liberty walk f40

  • @KeithMcDinkley
    @KeithMcDinkley 7 месяцев назад +291

    It's a bit counter-intuitive for Ferrari to "maintain their public image", and then here they are taking down BeamNG Mods of all things and suing people who customize their cars.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +80

      their image is of an exclusive boys club, so this kind of thing fits, because boys is the infantile term for a male, and that's just what they are

    • @Damian-cilr2
      @Damian-cilr2 7 месяцев назад +30

      @@fillman86
      it hurts their ego,not their public image,them taking down ferrari things definitely hurts their public image
      deadmau5 got a ferrari,put nyan cat on it,then got fucking sued,so then he got a lamborghini instead and procedeed to do the same things to it
      literally the average ferrari lawsuit,if you buy a car,you own it,you should be free to do whatever you want with it,cars shouldn't have terms of use (ferrari i'm pretty sure does exactly that,should be illegal imo)

    • @veselystojan2395
      @veselystojan2395 7 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@Damian-cilr2accualy one good vw golf 4 mod made me almost to buy it in real life. cool. ferrari dont want to sell their cars 🎉

    • @Cinkodacs
      @Cinkodacs 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@Damian-cilr2 Let me tell you a little secret: you are not their target. I am not their target. They couldn't give less of a **** about us and their image towards us. They have a very specific target group, we do not matter to them. What matters is the "prestige", that's what they sell, a subjective thing. Everything is about that "prestige" and making sure it stays "pure".

    • @seanyes6913
      @seanyes6913 6 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@Cinkodacs Good point its not like my broke ass is gonna plan on buying a Ferrari. But still fuck Ferrari this is so petty for them to do.

  • @artoodiitoo
    @artoodiitoo 7 месяцев назад +465

    I don´t think they even look at the models, just everything called "Ferrari" is deleted.
    Just need to call them "Fillmani" from now on i guess : D

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +106

      probably, that'd be effort, and they don't even put that into F1, or maybe they'd win

    • @bitelaserkhalif
      @bitelaserkhalif 7 месяцев назад +3

      SCC squadra corse della civetta

    • @mdkos
      @mdkos 7 месяцев назад +26

      Love that Idea. I would personally love to download a Fillmani Tesla-coaster...
      On that note... "You wouldn't download a car, would you?"
      Me; Sailing the High Seas: "Yes...yes I absolutely would."

    • @AlexDaDermahurr
      @AlexDaDermahurr 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@mdkosagreed

    • @jazzdirt
      @jazzdirt 7 месяцев назад

      @@mdkos Yarrrrr I would...

  • @hardi5164
    @hardi5164 7 месяцев назад +281

    Ferrari to the world: we are the best so give us your money.
    Ferrari fan: hey Ferrari, I painted you a picture
    Ferrari: sues him

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +30

      haha I bet they would too

    • @FayezButts
      @FayezButts 7 месяцев назад +35

      @@fillman86 Someone needs to do a beautiful oil painting of Deadmau5's nyancat ferrari and send it to them

    • @hardi5164
      @hardi5164 7 месяцев назад +4

      For sure they are Ferrari the one and only 🤣
      Boy the oil painting would be awesome

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 7 месяцев назад +9

      @@FayezButts Do it enough and maybe the morally bankrupt among Ferrari will aneurysm themselves out of being a problem

    • @borni6408
      @borni6408 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@FayezButts I like the way you're thinking

  • @channelmachinebroke9638
    @channelmachinebroke9638 7 месяцев назад +155

    this is why I don’t think that official beamng websites are the only places mods should be hosted. If the mod exists everywhere it’s incredibly hard to take it down.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +45

      I agree that the beamng sight sucks, but at least they check for any kind of malware

    • @bitelaserkhalif
      @bitelaserkhalif 7 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@fillman86problem is, also no update notify system for non repo mod
      The idea is that I made a mod, that would check a pastebin somewhere for the version check. The pastebin contains a comma separated value: UUID,latest_version. Match the UUID.
      Idk if that can be done in lua.

    • @Marsman512
      @Marsman512 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@bitelaserkhalif It might be possible, but it all depends on whether or not BeamNG provides an API in Lua for reaching out into the Internet to grab this kind of stuff. Once you have the info though it should be relatively trivial to do string comparisons

  • @Micahslawnmaintenance
    @Micahslawnmaintenance 7 месяцев назад +78

    For that Lamborghini one you mentioned, the people building it got a bunch of parts sent to them from Lamborghini and Lamborghini brought out a real Aventador for them to use for 2 weeks around the holidays. Great story

    • @IceWolf1102
      @IceWolf1102 7 месяцев назад +6

      that's so freaking cool!

  • @leepicgaymer5464
    @leepicgaymer5464 7 месяцев назад +104

    IF JAY LENO himself hates Ferrari for their practices then i too hate them.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +25

      yeah, when jay gets to take the high ground, then you've got to be pretty low (though I still watch jay's videos despite all that)

    • @Thetalkingcoupe16
      @Thetalkingcoupe16 7 месяцев назад +2

      same

  • @zeno3630
    @zeno3630 7 месяцев назад +56

    ferrari really took the "You wouldn't download a car" ads seriously

  • @omar.alsharif
    @omar.alsharif 7 месяцев назад +128

    At this point I'm surprised Ferrari isn't sueing people who try and get a horse to stand up on its back legs

  • @artoodiitoo
    @artoodiitoo 7 месяцев назад +25

    Remember even the reason we ever got Lamborghini cars was that Ferrari was treating their customers like crap back then too,
    mr. Lamborghini said screw you and built a better supercar since they couldn´t be bothered

    • @hybridShinx
      @hybridShinx 7 месяцев назад +7

      Enzo must have been some kind of creature to have imprinted his BS into anyone who works with him 🤨

  • @shaxei7116
    @shaxei7116 7 месяцев назад +57

    Imagine making only expensive supercars which are things that people are generally fans of but few people can afford, selling your expensive supercars to the few people who can afford them, and then suing anyone else for being a fan of them.
    It actually goes deeper than that because they won't even let you buy their top models unless you're a "regular customer" with several cheaper ferraris.
    The fact they're even still in business astounds me.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +27

      it's that exclusive club stuff that has been their saving grace, and is why famously jay lenno avoids them

    • @danibot3000
      @danibot3000 7 месяцев назад +6

      Capitalism at it's best

    • @Avetho
      @Avetho 7 месяцев назад +20

      @@danibot3000 Oh this ain't capitalism, this is nepotism and elitism at its finest, this goes against the spirit of capitalism where if anyone, literally anyone, has the money to buy your product, you sell it to them since that makes you money, which is exactly what you want.

    • @xX_Gravity_Xx
      @xX_Gravity_Xx 7 месяцев назад +9

      ​@@Avetho I agree. I'm the literal first person to sh* on capitalism if given the chance. But this isn't capitalism. A result of its spoils for the elite? Sure. I'll grant you that. But this is much closer to a purely post capitalist elitist ideology. Considering where Ferrari is headquartered and the history of that location in particular, one might not be so shocked at how Ferrari behaves.

    • @Damian-cilr2
      @Damian-cilr2 7 месяцев назад

      The fact that they are still in business is surprising.
      Fuck Ferrari and their fragile ego and elitism.

  • @legeekdechepaou411
    @legeekdechepaou411 7 месяцев назад +243

    they should spend their energy getting better at f1 instead of being just a SUV- 2-ton supercar dealer to saudi princes

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +28

      haha I think that even if they tried, they'd still suck at F1. They only won at le mans because they made their own chassis and spent more. Let's see how long that can last

    • @Driftstudios01
      @Driftstudios01 7 месяцев назад +1

      😂

    • @hensen7165
      @hensen7165 7 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@fillman86Now think of this:
      Lewis gets the 2002 treatment 😂😂😂😂

    • @KayoMichiels
      @KayoMichiels 7 месяцев назад +5

      All that resources wasted... on a Mazda CX-30 look a like...

    • @legeekdechepaou411
      @legeekdechepaou411 7 месяцев назад

      @@fillman86 they won because toyota is cursed to lose whenever they're against a manufacturer, because the peugeot is unrefined, because cadillac was unlucky, because porsches crashed lmao

  • @SimulatorAdventures
    @SimulatorAdventures 7 месяцев назад +128

    Makes me wonder what will happen with Ferrari inspired mods like the Civetta Mondello.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +59

      we'll have to see. TBH I think they just ctrl+f "ferrari"
      about as much effort as ferrari puts into f1

    • @takumikid
      @takumikid 7 месяцев назад +11

      ​@@fillman86they really do the ctrl+c ctrl+v irl 😂😂😂

    • @jwalster9412
      @jwalster9412 7 месяцев назад +4

      They probably don't even read descriptions, they just just find the word ferarri ain the title nd delete it. ​@@fillman86

    • @OvenBakedBiscuitz
      @OvenBakedBiscuitz 7 месяцев назад +14

      Hell I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari was so stuck up, they would try to get Civetta removed entirely from BeamNG

    • @jwalster9412
      @jwalster9412 7 месяцев назад +10

      @@OvenBakedBiscuitz at that point, I would straight up start a partition against ferarri as a brand.

  • @Rateltong
    @Rateltong 7 месяцев назад +99

    Just re-release the car as a Civetta

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +62

      haha I'm considering it

    • @olnnn
      @olnnn 7 месяцев назад +27

      or start calling them fiats instead lul

    • @jwalster9412
      @jwalster9412 7 месяцев назад +7

      Civetta C430

    • @Slyd_Fox
      @Slyd_Fox 7 месяцев назад +9

      @@fillman86 Maybe, just hear me out, Fartarri?

  • @enderjed2523
    @enderjed2523 7 месяцев назад +55

    Didn't expect Ferrari to become to the Italian Nintendo.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +10

      haha

    • @touhouer7647
      @touhouer7647 7 месяцев назад +10

      It's like that, but instead of fan-made fangames, it's just fan-made mods for video games in that case.

    • @CdY1T
      @CdY1T 7 месяцев назад +4

      Yeah Ferrari is just the Nintendo of cars

    • @bitelaserkhalif
      @bitelaserkhalif 7 месяцев назад +11

      Ferrari, Nintendo, Take2 Interactive, Disney
      Those are companies with insane lawyers

    • @tee9703
      @tee9703 7 месяцев назад +7

      not really a big surprise considering that they sued a charity over an Italian word that sounds like their model

  • @Maddiedoggie
    @Maddiedoggie 7 месяцев назад +38

    GTA 5 has a similar modding issue where companies take down any mod featuring their cars. It got to the point that FiveM devs, on behalf of Rockstar, had to state that because of this they encourage modders to make more 'Lore-Friendly' vehicles instead from now on so that they don't get relentlessly bullied by these massive corporations.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +19

      I think I'd heard about this not too long ago. I'm not a fan of ripping models from elsewhere and reusing them like fivem modders do (and many beamng modders too), but without talking to the communities and just saying you can't play with our toys, it's pretty weak

    • @Maddiedoggie
      @Maddiedoggie 7 месяцев назад +6

      @@fillman86 Agreed, I think the boundaries should at least be made clear before enforcing them.

    • @MrGTAmodsgerman
      @MrGTAmodsgerman 6 месяцев назад

      Don't you think it's a bit sus that R* cooperate now with FiveM after TakeTwo sended a C&D to FiveM and all other alternatives, just because FiveM dodged the C&D?

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  6 месяцев назад

      @@MrGTAmodsgerman I don't know what you're trying to say, but I had heard that recently a bunch of mods were taken down due to copywrite

    • @MrGTAmodsgerman
      @MrGTAmodsgerman 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@fillman86 @Joeanniespots mentioned FiveM new modding rules rolling out since the cooperation with R*. I just asked him about that deal, because FiveM is the enemy for GTA Online since it started. And TakeTwo sended a C&D letter to the FiveM devs back in 2015 also with other projects too that trying to do the same (building a alternative Multiplayer mode).
      But FiveM managed to dodge the legal punishment and now it became so big that now FiveM is now becoming the partner of R*? That's extreemly sus to me, considering the history of those many mods TakeTwo took down over the years and still doing.
      Hell they even tried banning OpenIV, the popular singleplayer modding tool at the time (2017), but the shitstorm were big enough in game down rates that it managed to go back online again, by letting R* the actual studio clearing up the confusions that TakeTwo had, on why TakeTwo tried to ban OpenIV and how wrong they assumptions were, as OpenIV were developed in contact with some R* devs. I mean TakeTwo tried to ban OpenIV because they thought it would ruin GTA Online, which was the same reason why they tried banning FiveM, or actually banned GTA:Multiplayer project by Nanos.
      Still hurts to think about that moment. GTA:Multiplayer was like the SAMP for GTA 5, as FiveM is like MTA:SA for GTA 5. If you know those GTA San Andreas mods.

  • @teunfaassen
    @teunfaassen 7 месяцев назад +38

    That guy that 3d printed a aventador with his son got a aventador gifted from Lamborghini on Christmas

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +8

      oh I didn't know that, that's so cool

    • @Dimondminer11
      @Dimondminer11 7 месяцев назад +1

      Wow that is so incredibly cool! Also the fact that someone somehow 3D printed an entire car is kind of insane... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm now I'm getting ideas for the future... someone should try and stop me if they dare.... I propose me 3D printing, and then perhaps molding, panels and a shell to convert a motorcycle into a Pigeon. This idea is perfect and cannot possibly go wrong in any way shape or form

    • @Damian-cilr2
      @Damian-cilr2 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@Dimondminer11 well someone is making a pigeon out of a honda gyro and fucking oil drums lmao

    • @speedeespeedboi9527
      @speedeespeedboi9527 6 месяцев назад

      Wait then they dont have to print anymore

    • @Getta0422
      @Getta0422 6 месяцев назад

      2 week borrow

  • @Duncan-Donuts
    @Duncan-Donuts 7 месяцев назад +75

    hearing fillman swear for 6 minutes was just what i needed to end my 1am

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +20

      haha I'd swear a whole lot more in videos, it's just me, but the algorithm legit doesn't share my video as much if I do. Though this video will do well because it's very enticing to click :/

    • @artoodiitoo
      @artoodiitoo 7 месяцев назад

      @@fillman86just got to get creative with the insults I guess
      "Ferrari, you can suck my diesel injectors"

    • @Slyd_Fox
      @Slyd_Fox 7 месяцев назад +2

      *cue ToS violation message, reported by Ferrari*

  • @theredstormer8078
    @theredstormer8078 7 месяцев назад +22

    Considering how much work goes into these mods it's kinda ridiculous they're going after non-ripped mods

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +11

      tbh it was probably a very threatening lawyer made letter that was general in terms of ferrari mods. It was financially smart for beamng to roll over

    • @theredstormer8078
      @theredstormer8078 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@fillman86 yeah I don't blame beamng in the slightest, I think ferrari is very much in the wrong here

  • @BCCustoms
    @BCCustoms 7 месяцев назад +18

    Ferrari probably saw the RUclips shorts with their cars jumping over a gigantic pothole or running away from Skibidi toilet and thought,
    “Oh no! Our cars need to be displayed, not taken down a ramp!!!”

  • @GrumpyIan
    @GrumpyIan 7 месяцев назад +16

    If Jay Leno refuses to own a Ferrari you know it's a bad company.
    Edit: Also they lost my respect after the DeadMau5 fiasco. The Purrari was an awesome wrap.

  • @MajatekYT
    @MajatekYT 7 месяцев назад +88

    The only thing more fragile than the Ferrari company's ego is their unreliable cars. In fact, Ferrari sucks so much (and has sucked for so long) that the only reason why Lamborghini exists is because Ferruccio had a problem with his Ferrari car's clutch that Ferrari ignored and wouldn't fix - so Ferruccio decided to go from just building absolute boss tractors to making better cars than Ferrari. Ferrari did the one thing that every other mediocre-but-popular brand did: They became a fashion icon, and little more. The Stanley Sippy Cup of Italian supercars.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +40

      the apple of the car world, style over substance, except they haven't made a good looking car in a very long time

    • @Idk-eq1ex
      @Idk-eq1ex 7 месяцев назад

      I though he wanted a green Ferrari and was told no so he said he would build a better car and beat a Ferrari at Le Mans

    • @bitelaserkhalif
      @bitelaserkhalif 7 месяцев назад

      I also heard that Ferrari uses Lamborghini tractor clutch

    • @Slyd_Fox
      @Slyd_Fox 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@fillman86 Oddly enough, neither has Apple. :P

    • @Nickoboss29
      @Nickoboss29 7 месяцев назад

      Today's Ferrari is very different

  • @wangautomotive
    @wangautomotive 7 месяцев назад +18

    As Dytastic has said. "Ferrari, we're more of a lawfirm than a car company"

  • @Eggyteevee
    @Eggyteevee 7 месяцев назад +16

    I still remember the story of the brazilian man who made a replica F40 in his backyard in his sparetime because it was bis dream car
    and they sued him
    and he had to destroy his almost complete job, his almost complete dream
    And now they are doing it with games as well
    "Love the art, not the artist" is what they said

    • @Damian-cilr2
      @Damian-cilr2 7 месяцев назад +2

      SERIOUSLY? He almost completed the f40 replica and they decided to completely fuck him over?
      That is worse than a dick move,i don't know what that would be.

    • @MrGTAmodsgerman
      @MrGTAmodsgerman 6 месяцев назад +3

      I can't see that being holding up in court. There is no real marketing confusion or damage with a replica. All these storys have one thing in common: None of them have the power or will to fight it in court. If we could team up to show that we ain't they dummys. That could be important.

  • @Unprotected1232
    @Unprotected1232 7 месяцев назад +12

    I honestly can't be bothered to care about a company as hostile as Ferrari. It's an exclusive club for tooting each others horns. I'd go for a equivalent Lamborghini every time (assuming I had the money).

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +5

      yeah if I had money I'd totally go Lotus anyway

    • @PCTutorialz
      @PCTutorialz 6 месяцев назад

      @@fillman86 Lots of trouble, usually serious

  • @Lucy-mg7cs
    @Lucy-mg7cs 6 месяцев назад +7

    Fun fact: The 3D printed Lamborgini guy actually recieved a real Lamborgini steering wheel AND headlights from the brand themselves they liked it so much!

  • @EhM-xt7pl
    @EhM-xt7pl 7 месяцев назад +30

    If they win the various lawsuits, then it's a law problem. To quote the Looney Toons: "It's pathetic, but it's not illegal" (to sue people over dumb sh!t)

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +10

      this is why I'm more in favour of regulation, especially regulation over the government for being corrupt enough to protect copyright for so long

    • @Saviliana
      @Saviliana 7 месяцев назад +8

      @@fillman86 Only that will never be happening, no politicans would accept not being bribed/lobbied by multi billion corporations to make rules to stop them being bribed/lobbied.

    • @DROK278
      @DROK278 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@SavilianaSadly accurate, it's very rare that a mega company is not super corrupt.

  • @stormtastic7083
    @stormtastic7083 7 месяцев назад +26

    ferrari about to sue fillman for using ferrari in the title

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +12

      haha I wouldn't be surprised if I got a DMCA, though I'd fight it

    • @takumikid
      @takumikid 7 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@fillman86good do it

    • @stormtastic7083
      @stormtastic7083 7 месяцев назад

      @@fillman86 sue ferrari before they can sue you, big brain move

  • @Ilmilkia_TV
    @Ilmilkia_TV 7 месяцев назад +14

    Same thing happened with Bluebird bus mod that the brand contacted BeamNG GmBH to remove the mod

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +11

      yeah only just heard of that, and that's an even more curious case. Though it makes sense for them to not want footage of their seatbealtless vehicles carrying lots of children crashing on the internet

    • @Dimondminer11
      @Dimondminer11 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@fillman86 I still don't understand why school buses don't have seatbelts really. The best you'd get is the first 3 rows having seat belts and only on a small bus.

  • @starlxrd868
    @starlxrd868 7 месяцев назад +10

    ferrari is like the one kid who reminds the teacher the class has homework

  • @theprofessionalidiots3109
    @theprofessionalidiots3109 7 месяцев назад +107

    This is certainly a Ferrari moment

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +26

      it's like the guy you know who has a history of being a bad friend, but has been good for quite a while, then punches someone for no reason, and you can only think "yep, that's them alright"

  • @JoseLgamer05
    @JoseLgamer05 6 месяцев назад +4

    The only company that's more litigious than Ferrari has to be Nintendo, even then it's a close second

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  6 месяцев назад +3

      and in the film world, disney would be at the top of the list too

  • @andrewromo9496
    @andrewromo9496 7 месяцев назад +15

    Ford: Hey, that is why we don't act like them.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +10

      lol ford is also a pretty bad company, but they at least know what's bad for their image

    • @andrewromo9496
      @andrewromo9496 7 месяцев назад +3

      @fillman86 Yeah, at least they don't say, "Remove all Ford car/truck mods now!!"

    • @Damian-cilr2
      @Damian-cilr2 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@fillman86 yep (*cough cough* calling the mach e suv the mustang *cough*)that is probably the least bad example though.

    • @andrewromo9496
      @andrewromo9496 4 месяца назад

      @@Damian-cilr2 at least they're taking care of that situation, and the v8's returned.

  • @kag318
    @kag318 7 месяцев назад +7

    Ferrari is just keeping in line with the sentiments of Enzo, who thought the people who bought his road cars were idiots. He only sold them to fund his racing team. Ferrari only exists for F1 and they haven’t done that properly in over a decade now.

  • @NinjaMBR
    @NinjaMBR 7 месяцев назад +11

    The modders from the forums should just call it like "Civetta sf69" or something and change little details so it doesnt get taken down

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +2

      haha we'll have to see how stringent the take down requests are from ferrari, but so far with the false flags, we think they just went ctrl+f "ferrari" lol

    • @NinjaMBR
      @NinjaMBR 7 месяцев назад

      if ferrari starts looking too deep down into the models, then we will have to start making gta 5 like cars@@fillman86

    • @Damian-cilr2
      @Damian-cilr2 7 месяцев назад

      @@fillman86 i think you can change the name to civetta and change the logo to the civetta logo,and thats it.
      Atleast,i hope
      Still very much a dick move.

  • @rlas
    @rlas 7 месяцев назад +9

    I hate how big companies despise of free marketing 😖

    • @KRNT1111
      @KRNT1111 6 месяцев назад

      ferrari don't need marketing they have enough customers

  • @jdmweeb8663
    @jdmweeb8663 7 месяцев назад +6

    When Lamborghini found out about the 3D printed Lambo, they actually sent real parts to them like the headlights and dash.

  • @sanulnporage6468
    @sanulnporage6468 7 месяцев назад +9

    This is just stupid. Ferrari is sueing people who love Ferraris'. They should know that people who made a ferrari mod in a game or a bodykit irl is people who are intrested in Ferraris and like to make them better.
    btw
    Fun fact about a 3D printed lambo - Lamborghini themselves once donated headlights to a 3D Printed lambo project.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +7

      I believe that'd the project that I mentioned in the video :) even mclaren, who says they won't help fixed flood cars, will still at least quietly support them, and can be seen in videos too

    • @sanulnporage6468
      @sanulnporage6468 7 месяцев назад

      @@fillman86 very true

  • @lominero5
    @lominero5 6 месяцев назад +5

    At this point I don't understand why people love Ferrari so much. Aside from their history they always come off so arrogant. Rather support other brands.

  • @Pizza_2921
    @Pizza_2921 7 месяцев назад +12

    Wow. This is just plain stupid. Heck, it's free publicity! Imagine how many little kids discovered Ferrari through games!

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +14

      agreed, media is so segmented now and companies like mclaren and lamborghini are doing their best to make sure people in the media like them

  • @2008Dev
    @2008Dev 7 месяцев назад +4

    Ferrari : you supposed to not do
    that🤓
    Other company : hello!, Here's the car and try having fun with it!

  • @artoodiitoo
    @artoodiitoo 7 месяцев назад +31

    I think you can still release a mod just called Testarossa, since they don´t own the rights to the name anymore xD

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +10

      really? I didn't know that, but be sure to not use "ferrari"

    • @Turbo_J_Automotive
      @Turbo_J_Automotive 7 месяцев назад +12

      True, after all "Testarossa" if I remember correctly means something along the lines of: "RED HEAD" in full English.

    • @bitelaserkhalif
      @bitelaserkhalif 7 месяцев назад +7

      Civetta Testarossa

    • @artoodiitoo
      @artoodiitoo 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@Turbo_J_Automotive yea the name originally came from the red valve covers

    • @bitelaserkhalif
      @bitelaserkhalif 7 месяцев назад

      With H12 motor. (actually bolide widened)

  • @davidinark
    @davidinark 7 месяцев назад +4

    That’s it. I am boycotting Ferrari. I will never buy one of their cars. Ever.

  • @EngiNetion
    @EngiNetion 7 месяцев назад +18

    first Bluebird, now them...

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад

      nissan?

    • @_Vark_
      @_Vark_ 7 месяцев назад

      o-niisan@@fillman86

    • @EngiNetion
      @EngiNetion 7 месяцев назад +13

      @@fillman86 nope the School bus company
      They forcefully removed a very famous beamng school bus mod, like how Ferrari did now.
      The mod owner later renamed it to Dansworth C1500, which is still up.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +2

      @@EngiNetion hmmm I could see it looking bad if people used their schoolbus to show crashes in videos maybe.... but that's also scummy. It's not like anyone's lining up to buy rights for a school bus

    • @bitelaserkhalif
      @bitelaserkhalif 7 месяцев назад

      Luckily the mario kart track and kart mod stayed up
      (Oh BTW remember gta3 liberty city map mod that got taken down? It's not Take2 who did it, it's the uploader who did it because paranoid)

  • @kyranthez927
    @kyranthez927 7 месяцев назад +17

    I feel guilty for liking their cars after seeing them do shit like this 😂

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +6

      haha based

    • @leepicgaymer5464
      @leepicgaymer5464 7 месяцев назад +12

      Hate the artist not the art, Ferrari WAS cool but now they are okay at making anything exciting

    • @truckerboydani
      @truckerboydani 7 месяцев назад

      @@leepicgaymer5464they are shit in my opinion

    • @mateuszzimon8216
      @mateuszzimon8216 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@leepicgaymer5464 ferrari wasn't cool from start, that's why we got lamborghini
      Even when Enzo was Alive, customers, fans are treated like shit

    • @Mypenisissmallbut
      @Mypenisissmallbut 6 месяцев назад

      They’ve made like 5 truly good cars. Only Ferraris I’d get are the 458 and the 288 GTO.

  • @enclavegeneral3946
    @enclavegeneral3946 7 месяцев назад +5

    One of the many reasons I love being an American car enthusiast is because they really don't care what you do with their car for all they care you could put a rubber pleasure part for the shifter, and they couldn't care less. We have been extensively modifying cars in the United States for over 100 years, and we are used to it. Some people would have issues but we don't we have done an inordinately amount of hiddus deeds to our cars, Oh how I would love to see such hideous things done to such a pecker of a company.

  • @ScottyIsHim
    @ScottyIsHim 6 месяцев назад +2

    Every time I tell myself, "Let me buy a Ferrari" , situations like this remind me to save my millions.
    The fact that they sue you for even modifying YOUR car is absolutely wild.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  6 месяцев назад +1

      yeah, they're quite disreputable

  • @K0NK4N
    @K0NK4N 7 месяцев назад +8

    I wonder if they might go for the other unofficial beamng mod websites too, cus stuff like Modland still have their ferrari related stuff

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +6

      I get the feeling dodgy websites like that are hosted in countries where they don't care, and their email addresses are just black holes

  • @Clyman974
    @Clyman974 7 месяцев назад +2

    That's also funny knowing Ferrari didn't invent their own logo (inspired by a WW1 pilot's symbol) and that they were an Alfa Romeo racing team at their beginning. I wonder what Enzo would think of their current legal team.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +1

      the logo was given to them by an aristocrat. It was their son's crest but he'd died in the war, so they wanted the famous ferrari to use it

  • @StarFroggo
    @StarFroggo 7 месяцев назад +7

    Ferrari is the Nintendo of the car world.

  • @zigenstern
    @zigenstern 7 месяцев назад +20

    amazing 17/17 video, will watch again

  • @MikoLanthierFrechette
    @MikoLanthierFrechette 7 месяцев назад +7

    Ferrari when they see ford, porsche, pegaso and carlsson using a horse in their logos : *Asleep*
    Ferrari when they see their fans making mods on their products in video games : *WAKING UP WITH RED EYES*

    • @Damian-cilr2
      @Damian-cilr2 7 месяцев назад

      I think you meant to say *REAL SHIT*
      You described the meme but kinda missed the point

  • @soliadwendover8726
    @soliadwendover8726 7 месяцев назад +9

    I knew it this was gonna happen sooner or later. Whats sad is Ferrari has some good cars and my favorite one is the Ferrari 360 , and seeing all Ferrari things removed, is slightly worrying me because i hope and beg Ferrari doesnt send a lawsuit to Beamng because that will be the worst dckmove by far.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +3

      well they probably did their lawyers to contact BeamNG about it

    • @soliadwendover8726
      @soliadwendover8726 7 месяцев назад +3

      Oh, I just really hope Beamng doesn't get sued, now that you told me you think their lawyers talked to the Beamng devs, I hope they just gave them a warning, not a lawsuit.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +4

      @@soliadwendover8726 I'm guessing it was just a DMCA type notice this time

    • @soliadwendover8726
      @soliadwendover8726 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@fillman86 yeah I guess too

  • @DROK278
    @DROK278 7 месяцев назад +4

    Mr.Lamborghini once said, if you want a fun, fast and beautiful car that you can DRIVE buy my car but if your the kinda person that doesn't drive my car and prefers to just talk about its providence well that is just fine as well it's your car after all...but you should know, they already make Ferrari's for that! 😁 Love that statement, The F40 is sick AF though, won't lie but the rest are trash IMO, overpriced shit cars. Like Jaguar in a lot of ways 🙄

  • @uberschnilthegreat22
    @uberschnilthegreat22 7 месяцев назад +2

    Ferrari is like the Nintendo of automakers, you do anything as a fan creation and they obliterate your very existence

  • @pelly06gaming7
    @pelly06gaming7 7 месяцев назад +4

    yeah ferrari once sued a CHURCH for having the name of the suv ferrari didnt even have in production yet, like wow your going to sue a church (that I believe was around in the 16th or 17th century) for having a name of a car thats only a prototype

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад

      yeah, they're pretty horrid.... but then again, I will refrain from talking about the morals of organised religion too haha

    • @pelly06gaming7
      @pelly06gaming7 7 месяцев назад

      thats fine, it just amazes me the levels that ferrari will go to so people wont “ruin the look of their brand”

    • @pelly06gaming7
      @pelly06gaming7 7 месяцев назад

      oh sorry, it wasnt a church it was a charity

    • @Damian-cilr2
      @Damian-cilr2 7 месяцев назад

      @@fillman86 i think it was a charity actually,probably brain fart

  • @minoassal
    @minoassal 6 месяцев назад +1

    Rod Halligan, a car designer, blender modeler and pretty much a living ferrari encyclopedia. Used to model some of the old 60s models that arent very well known, from scratch.
    Got sued and had to take his posts down and wont touch the prancing horse on a yellow sheild with a 10ft pole

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  6 месяцев назад +1

      interesting, though it looks like his models are still available

    • @minoassal
      @minoassal 6 месяцев назад

      @@fillman86 true but without the prancing horse on them, same thing with Touring Superleggera berlinetta

  • @Creative_YT
    @Creative_YT 6 месяцев назад +3

    ferrari when you put an air freshener in your car (its modding):

  • @edward002gaming
    @edward002gaming 6 месяцев назад +2

    imagine suing everyone because they filmed the cars that they own that they bought from you. now suing everyone who even thinks what a ferrari is

  • @Novix-YT
    @Novix-YT 7 месяцев назад +3

    I’ve seen vaping “gangsters” at my school have a better ego than Färrärï

  • @KayoMichiels
    @KayoMichiels 7 месяцев назад +2

    It goes even so far that exhaust systems get sued because they can make some cars sound like Ferrari's... who the hell copyrights exhaust sounds... yeah... THEM!

    • @jackpijjin4088
      @jackpijjin4088 7 месяцев назад +1

      Meanwhile Harley Davidson tried that because the sound is literally because of the engineering specific to their engine, and they got vetoed.

  • @nivracer
    @nivracer 7 месяцев назад +3

    Every time someone asks why I don't like Ferrari, this is pretty much the reason why. Just about no one else does this. Their cars are cool. But fuck the company and how it's run.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад

      yeah, they used to make cool cars back in the day

  • @BIGchrisJbitch84
    @BIGchrisJbitch84 7 месяцев назад +4

    I've literally hated Ferrari ever since La Mans cause how it was basically the Ferrari Show until Ford started winning with the GT40. But to be fair I really don't care for ford either I was just glad an American owned team stuck it to Old man Enzo and his unbeaten Ferrari.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +1

      companies at that time were just rolling the dice, and ferrari was so often lucky, but then other people also got lucky whilst also being better. Then the last time they were lucky enough to make a great car was the f40, and haven't topped it since

    • @BIGchrisJbitch84
      @BIGchrisJbitch84 7 месяцев назад +2

      @@fillman86 This is true, I'm a GM guy so I would've loved if GM actually developed I good rear engine car like the Vette C8 only way back then lol

  • @SirMatthew
    @SirMatthew 7 месяцев назад +5

    Ferrari is the Nintendo of car manufacturers

  • @jazzdirt
    @jazzdirt 7 месяцев назад +3

    Why is everyone looking for pennies in the couch today? It's not like people that use Ferrari mods mostly never are actually going to be able to buy a Ferrari anyway... So it doesn't actually get in the way of their legitimate sales... And it doesn't tarnish the brand either... Ok it should have been officially licensed.. But no one (modders) can afford that. It's basically free brand exposure.. Or that is how they should look at it IMO.. But yeah, we're talking about a brand that sells official socks for 110 euro a pair and towels with their logo for 600 euro a piece (the smaller towels.. Like kitchen towels. The bigger ones are about 1200-2500 a piece).... So the touch with reality has been abandoned decades ago...

    • @Damian-cilr2
      @Damian-cilr2 7 месяцев назад +1

      Despite being free publicity,it just hurts their glass level fragile ego

  • @falcongamer58
    @falcongamer58 6 месяцев назад +4

    Red color scheme
    Ferrari 🤝 Nintendo
    Italian guy as their mascot
    Ferrari 🤝 Nintendo
    Litigious
    Ferrari 🤝 Nintendo

  • @myacidninjatheamazing1025
    @myacidninjatheamazing1025 7 месяцев назад +2

    lamborghini sent the 3d printed lambo guy HEADLIGHTS for THE CAR

  • @jbeamer11tv
    @jbeamer11tv 7 месяцев назад +3

    Nintendo: *_Not bad, kid_*

  • @LaziestLime
    @LaziestLime 7 месяцев назад +2

    Ferrari pushes for the death penalty when some dude dents one of the showroom cars

    • @hybridShinx
      @hybridShinx 7 месяцев назад

      Challenge accepted

  • @tve6869
    @tve6869 7 месяцев назад +3

    i hate how this can be applied to anything and its not far on people who spend so much time on this mods or games and real life

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +1

      they'd DMCA your house for parking a ferrari in the driveway

  • @jaxfarias973
    @jaxfarias973 6 месяцев назад +1

    makes you wonder how lucrative the automotive industry as a whole could get if all manufacturers treated/viewed their cars as ferrari does

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  6 месяцев назад

      lol they'd make so much money from general maintenance

  • @olnnn
    @olnnn 7 месяцев назад +10

    Are the mods allowed to stay up if you call them something else than ferrari and change the badges?

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +7

      not sure, it all depends on any agreements the beamng guys made with f*rrari

    • @takumikid
      @takumikid 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@fillman86😂 i think u keaj fuckrari

    • @jwalster9412
      @jwalster9412 7 месяцев назад

      More like f**krarri​@@fillman86

  • @masterxgaming5926
    @masterxgaming5926 7 месяцев назад +2

    Ferrari even can refuse to sell you a car if you have lamborghini
    And if you have one, you can forgot to be on ferrari VIP list
    Where other car companies say: you can have what you want, we are just happy that we are a part of your collection

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад

      not quite, some companies do it too, like porsche, and ford with the 2016 GT

  • @begerbingchilling
    @begerbingchilling 7 месяцев назад +2

    i mean its italian companies in general, an australian cheese dude got cease and desist because he made a cheese that was too close to the official grana padano. it got revoked and he got an apology from them later, but still, italians in general are so uptight and "fart-smeller-y" when it comes to stuff like this.
    for ferrari in particular though, i have a hunch why they are doing this shit. its because they dont want the "wrong" people to have a ferrari, only serious people who only wear suits, and they dont want any custom wraps or paint jobs done to their machines.

  • @Anigaming-dz5gh
    @Anigaming-dz5gh 7 месяцев назад +3

    Here's an idea, model the Dino. Enzo never wanted the Ferrari name on it so it never had the horse OR the name, so...

  • @paulb4uk
    @paulb4uk 7 месяцев назад +2

    Really sad Ferrari sink so low as this ,be great if someone does a rusty Ferrari mod or a stripped out banger .

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад

      haha that'd be great

  • @Volkswagen_Yeetle
    @Volkswagen_Yeetle 6 месяцев назад +3

    Not surprising coming from a car brand that tries to up sell buyers of their vehicles ALL THE TIME

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  6 месяцев назад +2

      haha the supercar practice of "this one has 480hp, but the new version has 485" followed next year, "this old version only has 485hp but the new one has 490hp" all the whilst lying and only making 450 the whole time lol

    • @Volkswagen_Yeetle
      @Volkswagen_Yeetle 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@fillman86 Ferrari: “ah yes we upgraded the engine for your model and you can get the same upgrades for a horsepower boost for $70,000.”
      Koenigsegg: “Yeah we upgraded your models engine to produce more horsepower, come on in anytime and we’ll do the upgrade for free OR ship us your car and we will pay for that too!”

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Volkswagen_Yeetle I suppose it's better than porsche, "we took out your radio, now pay $20,000 more for it being more light weight" lol

  • @tiagotiagot
    @tiagotiagot 6 месяцев назад +1

    IP laws have all sorts of minefields; copyright, trademark, patent and so on, with some differences in the rules handling each; and lots of nuances in certain areas for each of them.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  6 месяцев назад +1

      the biggest issue is that they didn't even give us enough regard to even give a tweet about why, even if there was no contrition

  • @Snek_1000
    @Snek_1000 7 месяцев назад +2

    4:25 Lambo even gave them some actual OEM parts IIRC

  • @TheRealAlpha2
    @TheRealAlpha2 7 месяцев назад +8

    I sorry this happened to you, but at the same time it resulted in one of your most hilarious videos. 🤣 At the same time if anyone even considers wanting to do their cars again after this just do what R* does in GTA and just change the aero, fender shapes, debadge, and use a slightly subversive name, like the "Fabergé Ticonderoga" or something.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +2

      haha I'm considering it

    • @touhouer7647
      @touhouer7647 7 месяцев назад

      A more fictionalized way would be better off of course.

  • @Buccthedrifter
    @Buccthedrifter 7 месяцев назад +1

    fun fact: the 3d printed lamborghini got headlights, taillighs and steering wheel from lamborghini, also lamborghini let the father and son ride in actual lamborghini aventador svj

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад

      yeah, I followed it when it was happening, I love 3D printing

  • @ILikeBlackholes77
    @ILikeBlackholes77 7 месяцев назад +2

    Ferrari more like Suerrari

  • @kikass1997gaming
    @kikass1997gaming 7 месяцев назад +1

    IIRC with that 3D printed Lamborghini, they even got given some parts for free from Lamborghini

  • @peperoni_pepino
    @peperoni_pepino 7 месяцев назад +3

    Well, that is simple then, no more Ferrari in BeamNG. Or any other game. Or real life.
    Just let them be forgotten, removed from history, undocumented.
    Then they can focus on their true calling: tractors.

    • @slushbubbles
      @slushbubbles 7 месяцев назад +1

      As if F*rrari could make a decent tractor 😂

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +1

      lol I think you're getting confused with lamborghini... as far superior company

    • @peperoni_pepino
      @peperoni_pepino 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@fillman86 No, it was an attempt at a joke. There is a 'Ferrari Tractors' brand in the US, with an ugly green logo, and I was implying that is the "true" Ferrari.

  • @eryczakpl2337
    @eryczakpl2337 6 месяцев назад +1

    I think horses should sue Ferrari for using their image commercially

  • @togera77
    @togera77 7 месяцев назад +9

    "Ferrari hates you."
    good. I also hate Ferrari for multiple and VALID reasons 😂

  • @Doktoreq
    @Doktoreq 7 месяцев назад +2

    Ferrari doesn't actually sell cars. What they sell is the spot in the "elite" ferrari owners club. That's why they go so hard against everybody who would put as much as speck of dirt on their little club reputation. Cause when that reputation dies down the gig is up. On the other hand they don't care at all about lying to their elite clients about the actual numbers of their limited production cars in order to make more money.

  • @operaatio5117
    @operaatio5117 7 месяцев назад +3

    Ferrari trying not be a turd challenge (failed)

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад

      speed-run being hated any %

  • @markellii3093
    @markellii3093 7 месяцев назад +1

    I think they just saw how expensive the SIM rigs are so they think you will buy an actual Ferrari instead of the mod...

  • @webby724
    @webby724 7 месяцев назад +7

    I haven't driven a modern Ferrari in a game since the 458 in Test Drive Unlimited 2 on the PS3.
    Ferrari these days is akin to a Gucci handbag. Neither particularly pretty, nor useful. It's just an expensive brand with no meaning or soul. A shadow of what it once was.
    At least Lamborghini has kept some of that insanity that it's known for.
    Pagani have stuck with the same formula that they're known for too.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +5

      other companies are cool, where as f*rrari is now just a bunch of suits

    • @webby724
      @webby724 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@fillman86 Nobody likes a suit! Never trust a suit!
      Trust a man with greasy hands who eats a 10W-40 sandwich in a shed though

  • @tdmfan750
    @tdmfan750 6 месяцев назад +1

    Anyone who's played the story mode of GTA 5 should get this comparison. Ferrari has turned into the Devin Weston of the car world. They think they're big enough, bad enough, and have enough money that they can bully whoever the hell they want into whatever they want 'em to do. I get that the brand has been around FOREVER, and has major history in the racing scene, particularly, but I think it's about time they go belly-up if this is how "prestigious" they're gonna act, IMHO

  • @pkemr4
    @pkemr4 6 месяцев назад +3

    Surprised they dont go after forza horizon for the engine swaps

  • @kkamikazee
    @kkamikazee 6 месяцев назад +1

    it sucks the company is like this cuz i love the look of the cars and such

  • @NamePend
    @NamePend 7 месяцев назад +3

    though they can build nice handling road cars, Ferrari is just one of the companies you are confused as to why you like them because they really and I mean really don't care you exist. even their own customers.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад

      yeah, you say a bad thing about them, or sell a car second hand to someone who has said a bad thing, then they'll black list you as well

  • @junatah5903
    @junatah5903 7 месяцев назад +1

    Cant believe Ferrari hates me for uncapping the wastegate boost on the US trucks.

  • @Ferrari255GTO
    @Ferrari255GTO 7 месяцев назад +7

    Glorious outtro btw XD

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +2

      :D

    • @Fjorgynn
      @Fjorgynn 7 месяцев назад

      They are coming to take away your google account too hide quickly

  • @diegosilang4823
    @diegosilang4823 6 месяцев назад +2

    Ferrari took notes from Halicki.

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  6 месяцев назад +1

      haha yeah the owner of that estate is a lot more corrupt though

  • @M2rsh
    @M2rsh 7 месяцев назад +3

    2:40 just change the model a bit relabel it and that's it most if not all f1 cars look exactly the same

    • @fillman86
      @fillman86  7 месяцев назад +2

      haha looking the same could really be said more about modern f1, but that's because aero is basically a solved game at this point

  • @alexaristale
    @alexaristale 7 месяцев назад +2

    Unfortunately every IRL car mod breaks copyright. The vehicle name AND likeness are both under copyright. Any car company can do this, at any time, for any reason. This isn't actually the first time this has happened to beam. Blue bird (the school bus company) DMCA'd a mod of their school bus, the Vision.
    Hopefully we don't get more of these, but it sets a bad precedent.