Just wanted to let everyone know about Hobein watercolors regarding flow that I read about directly from Holbein. Their paints do not contain any ox gall whatsoever, which I know your aware of Lindsay, but for those who don't it's a watercolor medium that a lot of paints contain in varying amounts to make paint flow by breaking up surface tension of water on paper. Basically helping paint flow, Holbein opted to make their paints w/o them to give artists better brush and paint control. For example if you were rendering manga illustrations or needed that control, and didn't want your paint to run like crazy when rendering realism or in portraits, etc. The easy solution is to add a little ox gall to this paint by adding it to your mixing water and the paint will flow significantly better. Personally I love that option of either or, it makes Holbein unique IMO, Hope this helps. Love the video and your channel btw. Happy Painting everyone!
+Santosh Sharma thanks! I forgot, to counter this we can add a few drops of glycerine or baby shampoo to our Prince water:) many paints do not have oxgall but maybe more glycerin to did the flow:) thanks for the helpful comments
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich acrylic "flow enhancer" at about 0.5% in the mixing water will do the same job as oxgall and is cheaper than "synthetic oxgall" but more or less the same thing. Acrylic mediums always seem cheaper as probably sold in bigger packs.
+The Spin Doctor +thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich I gotta try these other flow aids, I didn't realize there were so many alternatives to synthetic ox gall, been using that for quite some time now. Could have saved some $$$$. Thanks, will try these out for sure.
+Santosh Sharma Clear, colourless glycerine-soap is another option but takes a bit of optimisation to get the amount right. Saponins from plants can be bought easily too - they could work.
W032 Jaune Brillant No.2 can always be mixed with a hint of green, or blue, or yellow, or umbra to get the variety of skin tones. Then it is a salmon color and works great for the light areas in a fox fur, then there are a few fruits, where this color is dominant or at least present. It is a convenience color, I guess but I don't see a problem with any color, since they occur mostly in nature and if not there are still many man made objects. I think this color works great with a cold grey. Imagine a interior design in creamy whites and cold grey and an accent of this peach color.
Yes Lindsay I would love to see a tutorial on the apples! I love your watercolor tutorials, I do acrylics and oils now I am getting so excited about watercolor thanks to your videos. Thank you
Thanks for the review. Holbein are one of the few paints that don't contain any animal ingredients. That's important to some of us. I've enjoyed using them for a long while. It was good to hear your comments on them.
I've never put any thought into vegan watercolors. Holee Moleee...sometimes I learn just as much from the comments as I do from the videos. Thank you so much. I will remember this for my first watercolor purchase. ;)
I found this 7 years after you first posted, as follow up to your Holbein Gouache starter set review from 2023. I got curious about Holbein watercolours. I saw this video and decided to get the Holbein Watercolor starter set (6 x 5ml) during a Jackson´s Holbein sale, at around USD 16 (a bargain!) I think those tiny 6 tubes are a better deal that this 18 set. The starter set colours are super pigmented, transparent and so versatile. They mix really well and can create so many wonderful colours from just those six. Like you, I thought they were sneaky to name their "Cobalt Blue" like that when it is really PB15. I might want to add a couple of colours to it, but this tiny set is the best starter set I have found so far for the type of paintings I do. Floral painters might miss colder versions of yellow, magenta, blue but these are easy to add. Anyway...thanks for this "vintage" video that inspired me to get to know this brand.
In my experience Holbein watercolors are the best of the world. They seem to be doing then taking into account the specific pigment's characteristics so they are vibrant and transparent enough and they don't dry in the tubes, their are always creamy. For me is the golden standard of quality surpassing D. S., M. G, and all
Outstanding artist like Sterling Edwards and Tom Lynch, uses Holbein exclusively and they praise it for its brightness and vibrancy. I do love their style of painting, and I honestly love Holbein and Sennelier.
Good timing - I was about to ask you if you'd tried these paints as one of the half-pan sets was tempting me ;) RE: adding black to things - remember many "Sepia" paints are hues (not squid inks) made from iron oxides and lamp black or ivory black - same as "Indigo" hues not really made from the plant are Prussian Blue with ivory black - so blacks can be a useful way to extend one's paints by making up some extra colours.
Holbein was my first artist quality paint and I loved them... I only had peacock blue and opera pink and they are amazingggg! Those two colors are the only ones I would get again from Holbein. They don't spread out in water as fast as other paints
Wow Holbein has really blown up...the same set now is like 3x as much I believe...Im not a huge fan of Holbein...i prefer my watercolors to have Ox gall in them so they spread across the water. I LOVE fast moving, high dispersion watercolors and these sis just aint them...Its so fun, lately Ive been getting all these old videos from my favorite art youtubers pop up on my homepage...really fun to watch them and see the change in product or even personality in the influencers themselves....Anyway nice video of course. Thank you for sharing❤
Lindsay, I thought I would see if you could clarify something for me about these paints. I mentioned in my post below the transparency or Opacity that my set has. I was going off of the symbol on the side that is a circle. Thinking that it would be the same as W&N in code as to opacity or transparency. However it doesn't jive with Holbein's coded chart on their site. If I go by the site I have 9 transparent colors and 5 opaque. I'm confused! Maybe the symbol on both paint brands has nothing at all to do with transparency.
I agree with James Darrell. I have that color is some of my cheaper sets and generally use it (nicely) for flowers. I'm thinking pink poppies for some reason. There are some gorgeous photos of pink poppies on PMP, BTW. Don't think I've tried them for sunsets or sunrises, but that sounds like a reasonable use for the color. Have a fun vacation!
I know, even when you 'think' you have everything you need! Then, they come out with new stuff that looks amazing and you, or me, HAVE to try it. I am well aware of their tactics, lol. Have fun with all your new art supplies!
That is a great deal, but having been spoiled by the purity and intensity of Turner & Daniel Smith I think I'm a little turned off. The Cobalt does look warmer to my eye than a Phthalo, but having Daniel Smith Verditer Blue that I keep singing the praises of I'm not impressed with it either. I am in the market for a mauve though and that Mineral Violet is nice so I may buy that open stock. I also would enjoy the apple tutorial as it's easy to paint a green apple or pepper one solid green and I'd like to see how you got the dimension.
Joe - the Mineral Violet is a mix of 3 pigments so may mud. Have a look at WN Perm Mauve which is Manganese Phosphate - the genuine Mineral Violet aka Manganese Violet. It is a stunning colour and does not stain. The "cobalt" here is Phthalo GS plus Ultramarine RS mixed together - a common fake as it granulates and it is reasonably neutral, but is it usually opaque and the wrong tone.
Yay! Absolutely thanks! I may buy a half-pan of W&N Mauve because my permanent palette is full, but I've also looked at M. Graham and Turner's versions as they are single pigment and I know they reconstitute more readily than W&N tubes.
+Joe Maysky Tbh I don't find W&N tubes remotely hard to reconstitute - except for Burnt Umber and Yellow Ochre, maybe. Like all my paints I wet them a few mins before use. I think W&N use the whole "does not rewet" line to make people think they need to buy both varieties of each colour. Honestly I have never had any issues. Check Perm Mauve carefully - some are just Dioxazine Violet and a filler.
I'll consider it. I also really loved Lindsay's tutorial of the pond and how well Winsor Green BS & Lemon mixed to get a variety of greens, blues & earth tones.
I love feather designs! I just purchased Koi watercolors and enjoying using and learning with them. Could you do a tutorial with water droplets? I'm wanting to paint some flowers "after the rain." I can't seem to get it to look like water.
Oh,you can also use jaune bouillon when painting southwest colors with an aqua or turquoise. They look nice together. I also use those colors in beading southwest beaded earrings.
The "Mineral Violet" here is a mix of Ultramarine Blue, Quin. Magenta and an organic brown that's hardly used in any watercolours - mostly in oils - so the granulation you saw could be from the former. Worth noting that the "Mineral Violet" from most vendors is a v expensive paint that uses manganese phosphate - sold as Manganese Violet or Permanent Mauve by other vendors. Holbein has a true Cobalt Blue with the right pigment in it and a hue, which is Phthalo Blue GS plus Ultramarine Blue - I guess this set is maybe the latter...?
this is my set of paints! I found them for a fantastic deal on Amazon a year ago, I love them. I definitely use the earth tones most, along with the Prussian blue and the mineral violet. my least favorite is the lightest blue,the turquoise
Hi Lindsay, I just wanted to mention that I heard another youtuber (I don’t remember who right now) suggest using that Juene color for sand. Don’t know if that helps or not.
Hi I am currently deciding on which watercolor should I buy 48 Holbein watercolor tubes or the 36 Mijello Mission Gold Watercolors. Can you please help me deciding because they only have an eight dollar difference. Thank you in advance :) .
Thank you for replying I will surely buy the Holbein too bad I wont be of any help if you are searching for these sets because I'm from the Philippines and I found it on a Philippine based online store. The Holbein is priced at $86.45 already converted from PHP while the Mijello 36 colors with palette is not yet available but I asked them about the price and it costs $80.22 converted from PHP. I think they don't ship internationally but if you are interested try asking them. I'm very grateful for your reply and I'm sorry if I wasn't able to help you. Thank you again. :) . pens-galore.com/holbein-transparent-artist-watercolor-set-48-colors/ and www.artisanmnl.com/
+Lynn Gasorowski it is neither good or bad;) it means you see a sediment on the paper. Handy for painting sand, rocks and other textured things. Flower painters may with to avoid colors that granulate. Mineral inorganic colors tend to granulate
I used Koi and Cotman, but I do really like the Koi over the Cotman for some reason. But anyhow, Can you suggest the next paint update for me? I'm thinking of the Holbein or maybe Mijelo.... I'm not sure tho, I'm still young so Schmincke, Daniel smith, Winsor and Newton and all those are very expensive so....
+Kyomii not really, I'd only suggest them if you did not already have good watercolours. They are nice but nothing better than you already have if you own artist quality paint. Try a few tubes of colors unlike what you have in mission (you could use a proper burnt seinnia) and the mineral violet is beautiful and unique!
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich Thanks Lyndsay, yeah, had my eye on that violet as violets/purples are my favs - I am just about to complete a large watercolour that only has hues of purples/violets!
Thank you for the nice review ! I have bought one and see that the blue in this set called cobalt hue than true cobalt. That why it not look as true cobalt blue. But may I ask what color you used to mix the great violet in your sample mixing papper ?
I felt your pain when you mentioned dividing 14 inches into thirds - roughly 4.66 inches which is close to 4 and 2/3, but gets a little dicey when you have to convert to 32nds, etc! I run into that a lot when I'm making color swatches for my paint palettes and my swatch book. I found millimeters divide so much more easily, and you can fudge a mm or 2 without problems! I got a bunch of Holbein watercolors when a local store went out of business for 70% off, but need to round out my warm and cool primaries. Which warm and cool blues are single pigments? Hard to find pigment information. Which single cool red would you recommend ? Thanks! Paula in Florida
I was referring to the Holbein line. I can't find pigment information on that line. I was hoping for a red that makes really cool pinks - would that be Quin Magenta ? I am hoping it is a single pigment. Not sure why I must have the Holbein, lol! Have a ton of other brands, but would like to have a well rounded Holbein set. Thanks!
The Cobalt that you're having some issues with is not a single pigment. It's a mix of Ultra Marine (PB 29) and Phthlo Blue (PB 15). Also, the Compose Blue is a mix of, again, Phthlo Blue and White (PW 6) . I prefer single pigments, so people should be aware there are many colors in this set that are made from mixed pigments. Although I'm a bit late watching this review, I thank you for posting this video, Lindsay!
I love your videos, they're so easy to follow along with! I was wondering if you could do a video on painting a stream or just water in general for beginners?
RE: Jaune Brilliants. These are either a Cad Yellow/Cad Red or Cad Yellow/Cad Orange mix, then in turn mixed with (a lot of) Titanium White. So adding e.g. blue to it is going to give you an opaque, annoying colour - I see your pain ;o) I cannot think of much you can do with them unless you want to use them like a gouache to make a range of light orange gouache tones you could use in something botanical where you're painting solid areas, not doing washes...?
+doreen b sure, I am on vacation (sneaking a peek at comments lol) but if you email me I can send an invoice when I get back in a week. $20 with USA shipping included Artstudiosofbangor at yahoo dot com if you still want it;)
Coincidentally, I was in Plaza Art yesterday, and struck up a conversation with a woman who really loved Holbein. She had been living in Bangkok until recently, and had limited choices locally. We saw that the Qor was under lock and key, and she said she had never heard of it. Thanks to your videos, I was able to fill her in on some of the brands that she had never tried.
use that fleshcolor that you don t really lie for fruits like Peach or use it in making paintings with ice ( the yoghurt ice or italian ones) ,might be even a very nice result!
No Lindsay you are not wrong about being thrown off I bought the 24 set and the cobalt , ultramarine and Prussian blue look similar 😔 wouldve loved to have shell pink and opera that didnt come with my set
I've been using my jaune brilliant from Mijello Mission Gold for flowers and sunrise/sunset skies. Originally thought they'd make good skin tone, but you're right in that they get muddy.
J. Robert Darrell I use shell pink for skintone base color if I'm lazy. Otherwise I mix yellow ochre, carmine, and whatever purple I have on hand and it makes a nice base tone.
Does the Cobalt say Cobalt Blue or Cobalt Blue Hue? I think this little set is Cobalt Blue Hue. Not real Cobalt. I have the full sized real cobalt in this brand. This brand is actually very expensive buying by the 15ML tubes. I love your reviews. I love hearing other peoples reactions to paint qualities. So enjoyable! Thanks for sharing all you do.
Earlier today I saw that brilliant color you were wondering about being put in the sky of a watercolor painting. I tend to see a color like that in clouds and sunsets.
Jaune(pronounced "zhone") brillant makes a good base for beach sand or Ive used it in painting conch shells. Thanks for the review! You saved me some money since I was going to get that set but I think I'll skip it.
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich My favourite sand bases are Titanium Buff for daytime, Naples Yellow Deep [normal Naples Yellow is a brown pigment plus Titanium White, the Deep doesn't have the white added so less opaque] for evening and for early morning where you need a blue bias, Titanium Buff with a drop of Indigo (ideally a real one). I can see Jaune Brillante (zhau-nuh bree-yant) making a good afternoon or evening sand - the yellow/orange one that is - the yellow/red one might be too much. Holbein have two flavours of it.
You're not allone there. I know cobalt to lean more against a turqoise blue-ish :P but winsor has several cobalts who look similar to this one,though. Wouldn't be my choise to buy now that I see that feather dry. Pitty. I like the example feather better on brightness,though.
Cobalt Blue should be very neutral - it is one of the least biased blues out there - but (like this one) Phthalo Blue plus Ultramarine (one green, one red, they neutralise and it still granulates like the real thing, albeit opaquely) is a common fake in use. See my Cobalt Pigments video for more info on the real thing and the other Cobalts.
I'm sorry, but I really love the black mix for your feathers! So pretty! I'd never even think to use black like this LOL! It's called tinting, right? Can you tell I'm a newbie?😚 I'm easily confused. Did I tell you how much I loved the feathers? hahahaha!! Just gorgeous! Thank you Lindsay for the demo!
When I need to know what the color is i go to dickblick where they have color charts ,click on the number beside the color ,then click onto pigment info there is a description of what pigments are in the tube,that cobalt is a hue mix of phthalo blue and ultramarine,their rose madder is actually an alizarin crimson pr 83 which is a fugitive color,for me it's the pigment number rather then color names ,each brand calls them by different names.tfs.
Even genuine Rose Madder (one of the NRs) is fugitive. Permanent Alizarin Crimson is the best fake out there in terms of fugitivity but doesn't behave like the real thing. At least PR83 Alizarin Crimson is a legitimate fake for Rose Madder given Alizarin is the main dye in the Rose Madder plant - Quin Reds often get used in many brands. I use the genuine NR rose madder and tbh it doesn't seem to fade that badly.
+Maria Kellner PV19 is Quinacridone Rose (the pigment). There is no governance on paint names - I could make a paint using just PV19 and sell it as "Ivory Black" if I wanted. For some reason selling things as "traditional" names (like rose madder - Quin Rose doesn't even resemble it) is v popular amongst particularly Japanese and Korean paint companies. Calling it Quin Rose or Permanent Rose would be more usual and less of an abject lie - Alizarin Crimson I would not mind sold as a Rose Madder Hue as they are close in colour and Alizarin is the major pigment in madder root, but in Japan/Korea, the word "hue" is virtually never used on paint packaging - you absolutely have to always check the pigment codes or names before buying - or your "Viridian" at $25 a tube from Mission Gold (really Phthalo Green BS, worth 1/5th of the price) turns out to be a terrible investment.
+S.Arts.Wut these are the pro line. I found a crazy deal on Amazon. I checked the product numbers before ordering. The exchange rate from the seller must be good:)
I got copic markers as a gift last week and I've been using them and loving them! I'm so excited because I saved up a lot of money and I'm going out art supplies shopping today!
Thank you for reviewing these. I wish I had seen this before purchasing the 12 color set I just received. Like you I was disappointed that most of the colors are multi pigment. But more so, there was only one fully transparent color. In addition there were 5 semi transparent, 5 semi opaque and one fully opaque. I also purchased the Quinacridone Opera even though I know the opera rose color in all brands has a bad reputation for not being light fast. I still wanted to try it. The colors are all vibrant and mix well together for the most part. I did a full color mix chart on them and was mostly pleased with the color mixes. The cobalt blue Hue and the Prussian blue are too close in color, so the mixes on my chart with them are very similar. I agree about the Cobalt color. Not really Cobalt. I have no idea how well they will layer since they aren't as transparent as I had hoped. Also, for me it seemed they needed to be coaxed when it came to wet in wet. I'm glad I purchased the smaller set. I'll paint with them more and see what I think after a few weeks of using them. I'm wishing I would have just saved up for the m. Graham paints that I really wanted.
Hi Kim, These paints are funny, they do not have ox gall so that is why they don't flow in wet paint but you can buy ox gal in cake or liquid form (I recommend a synthetic as the real deal can smell funny, QoR makes a liquid synthetic and LUKAS makes a cake that doesn't smell bad) and that will make them flow. You can add a bit of gum Arabic to bring out more transparency, get the liquid of that as it keeps longer. If you are putting it in a palette I'd add a drop or 2 of each in the pans. I recommend checking out Dr OtoKano here on RUclips, Holbien is her favorite paint so she might have some tutorials to inspire you to get some good use out of these paints.
@@thefrugalcrafter Thank you for the quick response. I hate feeling like I've wasted hard earned money. I will definitely look at Dr OtoKano's channel. I'm going to look up the things you've suggested as well. I am fairly new to watercolor and find it easier to paint more structured but I do like to do a bit of loose mixed with the more structured painting. I find loose to be difficult, most likely all my years of acrylic painting doesn't help.
yah.. holbein watercolor sets sucks... you must pick your colors cause most colors in the set were the cheapest one... you should have bought tom lynch sets,, their better..
Just wanted to let everyone know about Hobein watercolors regarding flow that I read about directly from Holbein. Their paints do not contain any ox gall whatsoever, which I know your aware of Lindsay, but for those who don't it's a watercolor medium that a lot of paints contain in varying amounts to make paint flow by breaking up surface tension of water on paper. Basically helping paint flow, Holbein opted to make their paints w/o them to give artists better brush and paint control.
For example if you were rendering manga illustrations or needed that control, and didn't want your paint to run like crazy when rendering realism or in portraits, etc. The easy solution is to add a little ox gall to this paint by adding it to your mixing water and the paint will flow significantly better. Personally I love that option of either or, it makes Holbein unique IMO, Hope this helps. Love the video and your channel btw. Happy Painting everyone!
+Santosh Sharma thanks! I forgot, to counter this we can add a few drops of glycerine or baby shampoo to our Prince water:) many paints do not have oxgall but maybe more glycerin to did the flow:) thanks for the helpful comments
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich acrylic "flow enhancer" at about 0.5% in the mixing water will do the same job as oxgall and is cheaper than "synthetic oxgall" but more or less the same thing. Acrylic mediums always seem cheaper as probably sold in bigger packs.
+The Spin Doctor +thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich
I gotta try these other flow aids, I didn't realize there were so many alternatives to synthetic ox gall, been using that for quite some time now. Could have saved some $$$$. Thanks, will try these out for sure.
+Santosh Sharma Clear, colourless glycerine-soap is another option but takes a bit of optimisation to get the amount right. Saponins from plants can be bought easily too - they could work.
+The Spin Doctor very nice, thanks for the info and alternatives. Will give it a go.
W032 Jaune Brillant No.2 can always be mixed with a hint of green, or blue, or yellow, or umbra to get the variety of skin tones. Then it is a salmon color and works great for the light areas in a fox fur, then there are a few fruits, where this color is dominant or at least present. It is a convenience color, I guess but I don't see a problem with any color, since they occur mostly in nature and if not there are still many man made objects.
I think this color works great with a cold grey. Imagine a interior design in creamy whites and cold grey and an accent of this peach color.
thanks for the advice:)
Yes Lindsay I would love to see a tutorial on the apples! I love your watercolor tutorials, I do acrylics and oils now I am getting so excited about watercolor thanks to your videos. Thank you
Thanks for the review. Holbein are one of the few paints that don't contain any animal ingredients. That's important to some of us. I've enjoyed using them for a long while. It was good to hear your comments on them.
I've never put any thought into vegan watercolors. Holee Moleee...sometimes I learn just as much from the comments as I do from the videos. Thank you so much. I will remember this for my first watercolor purchase. ;)
I found this 7 years after you first posted, as follow up to your Holbein Gouache starter set review from 2023. I got curious about Holbein watercolours. I saw this video and decided to get the Holbein Watercolor starter set (6 x 5ml) during a Jackson´s Holbein sale, at around USD 16 (a bargain!) I think those tiny 6 tubes are a better deal that this 18 set. The starter set colours are super pigmented, transparent and so versatile. They mix really well and can create so many wonderful colours from just those six. Like you, I thought they were sneaky to name their "Cobalt Blue" like that when it is really PB15. I might want to add a couple of colours to it, but this tiny set is the best starter set I have found so far for the type of paintings I do. Floral painters might miss colder versions of yellow, magenta, blue but these are easy to add. Anyway...thanks for this "vintage" video that inspired me to get to know this brand.
Great price!
In my experience Holbein watercolors are the best of the world. They seem to be doing then taking into account the specific pigment's characteristics so they are vibrant and transparent enough and they don't dry in the tubes, their are always creamy. For me is the golden standard of quality surpassing D. S., M. G, and all
I'd love to see a tutorial for the fruit bowl! Such a beautiful painting, you can see the summer sunlight shining through
Outstanding artist like Sterling Edwards and Tom Lynch, uses Holbein exclusively and they praise it for its brightness and vibrancy. I do love their style of painting, and I honestly love Holbein and Sennelier.
Good timing - I was about to ask you if you'd tried these paints as one of the half-pan sets was tempting me ;) RE: adding black to things - remember many "Sepia" paints are hues (not squid inks) made from iron oxides and lamp black or ivory black - same as "Indigo" hues not really made from the plant are Prussian Blue with ivory black - so blacks can be a useful way to extend one's paints by making up some extra colours.
Really LOVE your feathers! Thanks, Mary Ellen
Thank you for this review. I would love to see a tutorial on the fruit bowl please.
I use Holbein over a base layer of watercolor pencils and Wow! The colors become vibrant and just gorgeous. ❤
I'd love to watch the instructional video door your apples in the crystal bowl! Thanks for the critique on these WC. Love the feathers!! So fun!
Holbein was my first artist quality paint and I loved them... I only had peacock blue and opera pink and they are amazingggg! Those two colors are the only ones I would get again from Holbein. They don't spread out in water as fast as other paints
I tried a few others and wasn't impressed (blue horizon, lemon yellow, ultramarine deep, cad yellow, vermillion, pyrolle red)
Wow Holbein has really blown up...the same set now is like 3x as much I believe...Im not a huge fan of Holbein...i prefer my watercolors to have Ox gall in them so they spread across the water. I LOVE fast moving, high dispersion watercolors and these sis just aint them...Its so fun, lately Ive been getting all these old videos from my favorite art youtubers pop up on my homepage...really fun to watch them and see the change in product or even personality in the influencers themselves....Anyway nice video of course. Thank you for sharing❤
Lindsay, I thought I would see if you could clarify something for me about these paints. I mentioned in my post below the transparency or Opacity that my set has. I was going off of the symbol on the side that is a circle. Thinking that it would be the same as W&N in code as to opacity or transparency. However it doesn't jive with Holbein's coded chart on their site. If I go by the site I have 9 transparent colors and 5 opaque. I'm confused! Maybe the symbol on both paint brands has nothing at all to do with transparency.
I agree with James Darrell. I have that color is some of my cheaper sets and generally use it (nicely) for flowers. I'm thinking pink poppies for some reason. There are some gorgeous photos of pink poppies on PMP, BTW. Don't think I've tried them for sunsets or sunrises, but that sounds like a reasonable use for the color. Have a fun vacation!
Awesome! just got back from Jerry's! who knew you could spend so much LOL! Sharing!
I know, even when you 'think' you have everything you need! Then, they come out with new stuff that looks amazing and you, or me, HAVE to try it. I am well aware of their tactics, lol. Have fun with all your new art supplies!
That is a great deal, but having been spoiled by the purity and intensity of Turner & Daniel Smith I think I'm a little turned off. The Cobalt does look warmer to my eye than a Phthalo, but having Daniel Smith Verditer Blue that I keep singing the praises of I'm not impressed with it either. I am in the market for a mauve though and that Mineral Violet is nice so I may buy that open stock. I also would enjoy the apple tutorial as it's easy to paint a green apple or pepper one solid green and I'd like to see how you got the dimension.
Joe - the Mineral Violet is a mix of 3 pigments so may mud. Have a look at WN Perm Mauve which is Manganese Phosphate - the genuine Mineral Violet aka Manganese Violet. It is a stunning colour and does not stain. The "cobalt" here is Phthalo GS plus Ultramarine RS mixed together - a common fake as it granulates and it is reasonably neutral, but is it usually opaque and the wrong tone.
PS: can you DM me your address please given I have a tube of Aurora Yellow that you won? ;)
Yay! Absolutely thanks! I may buy a half-pan of W&N Mauve because my permanent palette is full, but I've also looked at M. Graham and Turner's versions as they are single pigment and I know they reconstitute more readily than W&N tubes.
+Joe Maysky Tbh I don't find W&N tubes remotely hard to reconstitute - except for Burnt Umber and Yellow Ochre, maybe. Like all my paints I wet them a few mins before use. I think W&N use the whole "does not rewet" line to make people think they need to buy both varieties of each colour. Honestly I have never had any issues. Check Perm Mauve carefully - some are just Dioxazine Violet and a filler.
I'll consider it. I also really loved Lindsay's tutorial of the pond and how well Winsor Green BS & Lemon mixed to get a variety of greens, blues & earth tones.
I love feather designs! I just purchased Koi watercolors and enjoying using and learning with them.
Could you do a tutorial with water droplets? I'm wanting to paint some flowers "after the rain." I can't seem to get it to look like water.
I would like to see a tutorial of the fruit bowl.
Jaune Bouillion is a great color in seashells.I collect seashells and make flowers with them.Many shells have that color in them.
another good idea!
Yes please do tutorial on the fruit bowl.
I love the feathers and I would love to see a video on the fruit bowl! I love it!
Oh,you can also use jaune bouillon when painting southwest colors with an aqua or turquoise. They look nice together. I also use those colors in beading southwest beaded earrings.
great idea, thanks!
The "Mineral Violet" here is a mix of Ultramarine Blue, Quin. Magenta and an organic brown that's hardly used in any watercolours - mostly in oils - so the granulation you saw could be from the former. Worth noting that the "Mineral Violet" from most vendors is a v expensive paint that uses manganese phosphate - sold as Manganese Violet or Permanent Mauve by other vendors. Holbein has a true Cobalt Blue with the right pigment in it and a hue, which is Phthalo Blue GS plus Ultramarine Blue - I guess this set is maybe the latter...?
I would love you to do the bowl of fruit. Love the feathers. Thanks for always painting what your followers ask for.
this is my set of paints! I found them for a fantastic deal on Amazon a year ago, I love them. I definitely use the earth tones most, along with the Prussian blue and the mineral violet. my least favorite is the lightest blue,the turquoise
Lindsay, what about using the color in the sky for clouds?
Hi Lindsay, I just wanted to mention that I heard another youtuber (I don’t remember who right now) suggest using that Juene color for sand. Don’t know if that helps or not.
How do these compare to Lukas 1862?
Hi I am currently deciding on which watercolor should I buy 48 Holbein watercolor tubes or the 36 Mijello Mission Gold Watercolors. Can you please help me deciding because they only have an eight dollar difference. Thank you in advance :) .
+Romar Baranda you can't go wrong with either but I'd probably get the Holbein as there are more colors. May I ask where you get the deal?
Thank you for replying I will surely buy the Holbein too bad I wont be of any help if you are searching for these sets because I'm from the Philippines and I found it on a Philippine based online store. The Holbein is priced at $86.45 already converted from PHP while the Mijello 36 colors with palette is not yet available but I asked them about the price and it costs $80.22 converted from PHP. I think they don't ship internationally but if you are interested try asking them. I'm very grateful for your reply and I'm sorry if I wasn't able to help you. Thank you again. :) .
pens-galore.com/holbein-transparent-artist-watercolor-set-48-colors/ and www.artisanmnl.com/
thanks!
I'd love to see a tutorial on the fruit bowl, please.
Yes, please for the fruit bowl tutorial!
I'm a newbie and I don't understand when you talk about granulation. Why is this good or bad??
+Lynn Gasorowski it is neither good or bad;) it means you see a sediment on the paper. Handy for painting sand, rocks and other textured things. Flower painters may with to avoid colors that granulate. Mineral inorganic colors tend to granulate
Should I go for holbein or cotman?
cotman is student grade though and holbein is artist grade. i've tried cotman and i'm not very impressed with its pigmentation at all.
I used Koi and Cotman, but I do really like the Koi over the Cotman for some reason. But anyhow, Can you suggest the next paint update for me? I'm thinking of the Holbein or maybe Mijelo.... I'm not sure tho, I'm still young so Schmincke, Daniel smith, Winsor and Newton and all those are very expensive so....
+Giao Nguyen mission gold is a great buy on amazon. The 36 set with palette goes for $57
Would LOVE to see a tutorial on the glass fruit bowl...BEAUTIFUL!! Enjoy your vacation:)
What is your opinion on these vs the Mijello Lyndsay? I have Mijello, would there be any advantage if I purchased these?
+Kyomii not really, I'd only suggest them if you did not already have good watercolours. They are nice but nothing better than you already have if you own artist quality paint. Try a few tubes of colors unlike what you have in mission (you could use a proper burnt seinnia) and the mineral violet is beautiful and unique!
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich Thanks Lyndsay, yeah, had my eye on that violet as violets/purples are my favs - I am just about to complete a large watercolour that only has hues of purples/violets!
Thank you for the nice review !
I have bought one and see that the blue in this set called cobalt hue than true cobalt. That why it not look as true cobalt blue. But may I ask what color you used to mix the great violet in your sample mixing papper ?
+Hân Nguyễn I believe the mineral violet and a touch of cobalt
Thank you !
I felt your pain when you mentioned dividing 14 inches into thirds - roughly 4.66 inches which is close to 4 and 2/3, but gets a little dicey when you have to convert to 32nds, etc! I run into that a lot when I'm making color swatches for my paint palettes and my swatch book. I found millimeters divide so much more easily, and you can fudge a mm or 2 without problems! I got a bunch of Holbein watercolors when a local store went out of business for 70% off, but need to round out my warm and cool primaries. Which warm and cool blues are single pigments? Hard to find pigment information. Which single cool red would you recommend ? Thanks!
Paula in Florida
do you mean in the Holbein line or in general?
I was referring to the Holbein line. I can't find pigment information on that line. I was hoping for a red that makes really cool pinks - would that be Quin Magenta ? I am hoping it is a single pigment. Not sure why I must have the Holbein, lol! Have a ton of other brands, but would like to have a well rounded Holbein set.
Thanks!
Very useful video, thank you. Yes, please do the demo of the fruits. Thank you.
The Cobalt that you're having some issues with is not a single pigment. It's a mix of Ultra Marine (PB 29) and Phthlo Blue (PB 15). Also, the Compose Blue is a mix of, again, Phthlo Blue and White (PW 6) . I prefer single pigments, so people should be aware there are many colors in this set that are made from mixed pigments. Although I'm a bit late watching this review, I thank you for posting this video, Lindsay!
Hi Lindsay with a ATG Gun what type of adhesive do you load into the gun
I love your videos, they're so easy to follow along with! I was wondering if you could do a video on painting a stream or just water in general for beginners?
Lindsay, I have used Jaune Brilliant in oil painting for sand, ocean views, clay-stone buildings, etc....but not in watercolor..
thank you for this review. made me think to use holbein watercolor again. :)
Use the jaune brilliant as gouache, since it's an opaque color.
RE: Jaune Brilliants. These are either a Cad Yellow/Cad Red or Cad Yellow/Cad Orange mix, then in turn mixed with (a lot of) Titanium White. So adding e.g. blue to it is going to give you an opaque, annoying colour - I see your pain ;o) I cannot think of much you can do with them unless you want to use them like a gouache to make a range of light orange gouache tones you could use in something botanical where you're painting solid areas, not doing washes...?
Thanks for the demo, can I purchase the three feathers? Big Hugs
+doreen b sure, I am on vacation (sneaking a peek at comments lol) but if you email me I can send an invoice when I get back in a week. $20 with USA shipping included
Artstudiosofbangor at yahoo dot com if you still want it;)
Thats awesome Lindsay, I will be emailing you when you get back. HUGS Doreen
Holbein was formulated to not flow for more control
Coincidentally, I was in Plaza Art yesterday, and struck up a conversation with a woman who really loved Holbein. She had been living in Bangkok until recently, and had limited choices locally. We saw that the Qor was under lock and key, and she said she had never heard of it. Thanks to your videos, I was able to fill her in on some of the brands that she had never tried.
I think that the paint doesn't flow because Holbein doesn't use ox-gal in their formulation.
use that fleshcolor that you don t really lie for fruits like Peach or use it in making paintings with ice ( the yoghurt ice or italian ones) ,might be even a very nice result!
No Lindsay you are not wrong about being thrown off I bought the 24 set and the cobalt , ultramarine and Prussian blue look similar 😔 wouldve loved to have shell pink and opera that didnt come with my set
BTW, thought your fruit bowl was beautiful. Those apples looked so crisp and refreshing.
I've been using my jaune brilliant from Mijello Mission Gold for flowers and sunrise/sunset skies. Originally thought they'd make good skin tone, but you're right in that they get muddy.
J. Robert Darrell I use shell pink for skintone base color if I'm lazy. Otherwise I mix yellow ochre, carmine, and whatever purple I have on hand and it makes a nice base tone.
Lindsay, Yes. Please do a demo of the apples in the bowl!
thank you for your information without it I would have all kinds of paint that I wouldn't use. Thanks for the heads up.
Does the Cobalt say Cobalt Blue or Cobalt Blue Hue? I think this little set is Cobalt Blue Hue. Not real Cobalt. I have the full sized real cobalt in this brand. This brand is actually very expensive buying by the 15ML tubes. I love your reviews. I love hearing other peoples reactions to paint qualities. So enjoyable! Thanks for sharing all you do.
Earlier today I saw that brilliant color you were wondering about being put in the sky of a watercolor painting. I tend to see a color like that in clouds and sunsets.
Jaune(pronounced "zhone") brillant makes a good base for beach sand or Ive used it in painting conch shells. Thanks for the review! You saved me some money since I was going to get that set but I think I'll skip it.
+Angel T thanks for the idea for that color!
+thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich My favourite sand bases are Titanium Buff for daytime, Naples Yellow Deep [normal Naples Yellow is a brown pigment plus Titanium White, the Deep doesn't have the white added so less opaque] for evening and for early morning where you need a blue bias, Titanium Buff with a drop of Indigo (ideally a real one). I can see Jaune Brillante (zhau-nuh bree-yant) making a good afternoon or evening sand - the yellow/orange one that is - the yellow/red one might be too much. Holbein have two flavours of it.
What palette did you put your colors in?
it was a Jerry Q one from amazon, I took out the paints that came in there and replace them with Holbein
All good to know information, thank you
Great view Lindsay! 😆
You're not allone there. I know cobalt to lean more against a turqoise blue-ish :P but winsor has several cobalts who look similar to this one,though. Wouldn't be my choise to buy now that I see that feather dry. Pitty. I like the example feather better on brightness,though.
Cobalt Blue should be very neutral - it is one of the least biased blues out there - but (like this one) Phthalo Blue plus Ultramarine (one green, one red, they neutralise and it still granulates like the real thing, albeit opaquely) is a common fake in use. See my Cobalt Pigments video for more info on the real thing and the other Cobalts.
Thanks!
On your swatch sheet, you have the white and black mixed up. Otherwise, great video as usual!
I'm sorry, but I really love the black mix for your feathers! So pretty! I'd never even think to use black like this LOL! It's called tinting, right? Can you tell I'm a newbie?😚 I'm easily confused.
Did I tell you how much I loved the feathers? hahahaha!! Just gorgeous! Thank you Lindsay for the demo!
+Christina Webber thanks:) there is a way to use every color and I hate having stuff that is useless so I try to make it useful :)
Tinting is mixing with white. Mixing with black is called shading.
The colours look very similar to Gansai Tambi to me.
The fruit still life would be a great tutorial!
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When I need to know what the color is i go to dickblick where they have color charts ,click on the number beside the color ,then click onto pigment info there is a description of what pigments are in the tube,that cobalt is a hue mix of phthalo blue and ultramarine,their rose madder is actually an alizarin crimson pr 83 which is a fugitive color,for me it's the pigment number rather then color names ,each brand calls them by different names.tfs.
Even genuine Rose Madder (one of the NRs) is fugitive. Permanent Alizarin Crimson is the best fake out there in terms of fugitivity but doesn't behave like the real thing. At least PR83 Alizarin Crimson is a legitimate fake for Rose Madder given Alizarin is the main dye in the Rose Madder plant - Quin Reds often get used in many brands. I use the genuine NR rose madder and tbh it doesn't seem to fade that badly.
+The Spin Doctor I have a tube called rose madder from art spectrum made from a pv19 ,family, this is a good example of one pigment with other names.
+Maria Kellner PV19 is Quinacridone Rose (the pigment). There is no governance on paint names - I could make a paint using just PV19 and sell it as "Ivory Black" if I wanted. For some reason selling things as "traditional" names (like rose madder - Quin Rose doesn't even resemble it) is v popular amongst particularly Japanese and Korean paint companies. Calling it Quin Rose or Permanent Rose would be more usual and less of an abject lie - Alizarin Crimson I would not mind sold as a Rose Madder Hue as they are close in colour and Alizarin is the major pigment in madder root, but in Japan/Korea, the word "hue" is virtually never used on paint packaging - you absolutely have to always check the pigment codes or names before buying - or your "Viridian" at $25 a tube from Mission Gold (really Phthalo Green BS, worth 1/5th of the price) turns out to be a terrible investment.
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I truly find these paints oddly opaque- a tiny bit on the gouache-y side, actually, but I think I might be in the minority.
V common for Japanese watercolours to be quite gouache-y - most of them are gel-like too as intended for rice papers and mulberry papers.
how long did it take for the paints to dry in the pan?
a week or so
thefrugalcrafter Lindsay Weirich thank you
HOLBEIN HAVE STOPPED TELLING US WHAT PIGMENTS ARE IN THEIR PAINTS! There is no way I'm buying them
I am pretty sure you are reviewing the Holbine student brand? the professionals are much more costly.
+S.Arts.Wut these are the pro line. I found a crazy deal on Amazon. I checked the product numbers before ordering. The exchange rate from the seller must be good:)
I guess I was looking at the 15mm.tubes, Wow I was expecting more quality for a professional paint.
I got copic markers as a gift last week and I've been using them and loving them! I'm so excited because I saved up a lot of money and I'm going out art supplies shopping today!
Thank you for reviewing these. I wish I had seen this before purchasing the 12 color set I just received. Like you I was disappointed that most of the colors are multi pigment. But more so, there was only one fully transparent color. In addition there were 5 semi transparent, 5 semi opaque and one fully opaque. I also purchased the Quinacridone Opera even though I know the opera rose color in all brands has a bad reputation for not being light fast. I still wanted to try it. The colors are all vibrant and mix well together for the most part. I did a full color mix chart on them and was mostly pleased with the color mixes. The cobalt blue Hue and the Prussian blue are too close in color, so the mixes on my chart with them are very similar. I agree about the Cobalt color. Not really Cobalt. I have no idea how well they will layer since they aren't as transparent as I had hoped. Also, for me it seemed they needed to be coaxed when it came to wet in wet. I'm glad I purchased the smaller set. I'll paint with them more and see what I think after a few weeks of using them. I'm wishing I would have just saved up for the m. Graham paints that I really wanted.
Hi Kim, These paints are funny, they do not have ox gall so that is why they don't flow in wet paint but you can buy ox gal in cake or liquid form (I recommend a synthetic as the real deal can smell funny, QoR makes a liquid synthetic and LUKAS makes a cake that doesn't smell bad) and that will make them flow. You can add a bit of gum Arabic to bring out more transparency, get the liquid of that as it keeps longer. If you are putting it in a palette I'd add a drop or 2 of each in the pans. I recommend checking out Dr OtoKano here on RUclips, Holbien is her favorite paint so she might have some tutorials to inspire you to get some good use out of these paints.
@@thefrugalcrafter Thank you for the quick response. I hate feeling like I've wasted hard earned money. I will definitely look at Dr OtoKano's channel. I'm going to look up the things you've suggested as well. I am fairly new to watercolor and find it easier to paint more structured but I do like to do a bit of loose mixed with the more structured painting. I find loose to be difficult, most likely all my years of acrylic painting doesn't help.
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yah.. holbein watercolor sets sucks... you must pick your colors cause most colors in the set were the cheapest one... you should have bought tom lynch sets,, their better..
How do these compare to Lukas 1862?