Brother Ever thought why russians support Indian views? There is a lot of International politics that common people don't understand.Additionally , making a design prototype is one thing but bulk producing the same quality consistently by Govt Factories is nearly impossible.
The recoil is ok . You cant aspect 5.56 rifle recoil from a heavy 7.62 bullet . 7.62 is 3 time heavier then 5.56. Rifle is ok only two things need to be improve 1st is magazine slot make it like m16 or galil ace 52 and 2nd is put a recoil pad to reduce its recoil impact.
Why this fascination for auto fire! A rifle in the 7.62X51 mm will not ideally be used in full auto as the powerful cartridge is not easy to control. Unlike video games or movies, trained professional personnel in real life situations do not fire extended long bursts, but rely on precise,aimed fire. Suppressive fire requiring longer bursts are given by LMG, MMG etc This class of weapons is a for a certain scenario. For CQB situations there will be requirement of a different class of weapons.
If we can't make our weapons , we can never be a military power on imported weapons . Both DRDO and Army must take it to heart . Army demanding perfect weapon even from the first version of any indigenous weapon is impractical and harmful to local arms industry and is also dangerous for Indian security .
Santosh Satpathy my dear sir, this is not a toy being demanded by the Army. If a soldier can't trust his rifle, he can't test anything. And certain parameters of the weapons trials just cannot be compromised. As it were, we have a heavy casualty rate in our armed forces. Do you wish to suggest that we should send more men to their deaths for no better reason than a weapon malfunction? Trust me, the Army is not rejecting these because they want better looking guns.
When your country's security is at stake, and when its a matter of every soldier's life and death, and when so many years of research and taxpayer's money is involved.. Yeah, its perfectly all right to demand a perfect product...!!! And if DRDO actually put even half the the dedication that other firms do, they would have by now made an actual progress in this regard...
Cheli Lombi first of all this is not the product of DRDO. It is developed & manufactured by ofb. it looks quite promising, I don't know what is the reason of rejection of this gun?
tiger i "potato tomato potato" OFB or DRDO they are both twin sister departments.. This gun is good gun no doubt, but in 90's standard.. This gun is what INSAS should have been.. It is not up there in today's standard... No bolt catch, extremely noisy, does not have an effective flash suppressor, it's almost as heavy as an SLR(also known as the dumb gun due to its weight and length), ergonomics is similar to an AK due to which it will never shoot flat in full auto, aesthetically too its quite ugly compared to other rifles in the competition, recoil is so bad that it's shaking this huge guy even in semi auto mode, just imagine firing it in full auto on the battlefield for days on end including running for cover, chasing the enemy, in mud, rain, grime, blood, dust, heat... You get the picture right..??
It would have been better if OFB just developed a shorter barrel version of SLR of length 16 to 17 inches with :- (1) Semi-auto & Full-auto modes. (2) Picatinny Rails (3) Foldable & Collapsible buttstock. This Could have been easily selected by Indian Military as well as other security forces.
Hi Sandeep, any further news on the OFB 7.62x51 AR in the new year? Is there any chances this rifle will compete against the International rifles in the fast track program?
After reading most of the comments I suggest please see video of Tavor7 firing (as you all are video watchers) it's length accuracy and lethality would astound you
I never really understood the need for a new INSAS based rifle chambered in 7.62x51mm when OFB already manufactures "FN FAL". It would've been more cost effective & time saving to just modernise the OFB's SLR with:- (1) Picatinny Rails (2) Retractable & Foldable Buttstock (3) 17-inch Barrel (4) Full Auto mode with 500 RPM (5) KeyMod HandGuard (6) Better Metallurgy especially for "Barrel" to increase reliability Utilising the already available sources is the best option.
Never understood why OFB developed a brand new Assault chambered in 7.62x51 NATO based on INSAS Rifle design?? Wasn't it more economically & logistically sensible for OFB to develop a modernised Version of SLR (FN FAL)?? The modernised SLR with :- (1) A 16 to 17 inch barrel (2) Picatinny rails (3) Single & Full auto mode (4) Foldable & Collapsible butt stock. Could have been a Better system & even got selected by IA. Sig716 though a good system is overtly expensive especially when its expected to be used by Regular troops in certain areas. Similarly, a Designated Marksmen version of OFB's SLR can be really good replacement for Draganov SVD.
Feeling some glitches in firing its a good weapon but it need some time to mature the technology we need to make this gun like Beretta arx-200 very handy moduler and easy to disassemble & assemble.
Avidi Arshid buddy just search on RUclips u will get so many video on 7.62*51 mm guns of different companies like SIG suer or cz been or iwi galil ace etc..
Avidi Arshid wth do you know nothing this round is bigger than an ak round and much bigger than standard insas or M4 round It's recoil is high but not bad
The rifle is good but the recoil is shoving the gun upwards that's bad . The TAR 7 rifle has a recoil completely aligned with the butt stock and recoil mainly pushes backwards . If this problem can be taken into consideration then soon you will have a world class rifle
Just look at the factory...looks like a local truck repair shop u find near highways...how can they be trusted to make quality weapons...the only gun of quality made in India is the jvpc which is kinda comparable to others in the market
Shiva Rathi bro because full auto will through him out of the building don't u see the recoil. It has a metallic body which no rifle has now days. even the stock sucks and most important thing that ofb and drdo have always failed to produce a 3 or 4 round burst rifle.
Mein ek Bharatiya sena ho mere choice hai AR-10 aur SR 762 kio ki yeh dono hatyer 7.62 mm ki hai. Kio ki AR -10 mein barrel do type ki hai 18"& 24" barrel taki zarurat ane par barrels ko choota ya lamba kar sakta hai. Mere choice yehi sir, Ismein magazine slot aur ejection dust cover bhi hai.
I wish to see a bright future of indigenous defence manufacturing in India. But you can't cut off a tree by cutting off its leaves. You have to cut the bark. Shooting ranges in Khyber are better than this range. At least there should be some targets to shoot at? The question is not always about rifle design. In times of war, if army orders 1 lakh rifles , will ofb be able to meet that requirement while maintaining quality? Well to know the answer you need to look at the state of ofb factories and the quality of their workmanship. Edit : for those saying this range is for testing penetration. Ever heard of ballistic gel? Just saying, if you wanted to be awarded a contract worth millions, is that how you would go about doing your work?
The main problem is with the middleman in the INDIAN ARMY. When OFB produced a very good rifle called the exacalibur , it was an excellent rifle and tested by the army. But suddenly army changed its decision and ordered for a ak caliber version although 5. 56 is better and exacalibur was a very good gun that could be mass peoduced
i am hearing a lot of people saying semi-auto is far better that full auto. its called assault rifle for a reason buds it is so u can lay down suppressive fire on the move at least that was the intention when they first made gen 1 ARs now a days wars are different we have enemies hiding behind corners on vantage points going full auto on range cant be effective. also they fire on semi cuz ammo is limited or else they would run out quickly. and yes i prefer large ammo dumps over precise shots cuz the chances of hitting targets increases drastically. normal army men don't have dead eye aim its better to spray ur targets and eventually hitting them than too take pot shots and pray that the poorly made rifle doesn't fail ur exceptions. leave the first shot kills too snipers ps.
Looks like a good weapon. I don't know why Army rejected it - middleman cuts? Its a pattern in our Armed Forces that technologies that can be bought overseas are always preferred over indigenous products, whereas they readily accept sensitive systems from our DRDO which other countries do not sell. We need to do some introspection.
It looks like a good weapon but sadly thats all there is to it. What they have done essentially is re chambered INSAS for 7.62X51 and modified it to accept SLR mags. Army accepts sensitive technoogy from DRDO not ordnance factory board. DRDO recently designed a carbine JVPC on which army has asked a few changes to be made but then It'll be accepted. OFB on the other hand makes bullcrap like INSAS.
Exactly bro. Foreign comission is playing football in our defence industry. If only nuclear missiles are available in foreign then i am sure we will buy them. And Agni like missiles will not improve after first test.
Actually it's better in mechanism. It's uses long stroke. But sig uses failed Direct impregnated system. Now US it's self moves to short stoke from shit Direct impregnated system.
@@gobimurugesan2411 who said direct impingement is a failure . Its lightest among all the other system , albiet it has shortcomings like carbon fouling and building up of gases . But its always much cheaper to build . And short stroke isnt always that accurate .
@@pratikbagchi8751 so that's y US special forces are moving to short stroke based systems from direct impingement?. Go and check how US army slowly removes direct impingement systems.
@@gobimurugesan2411 The Sig 716i was to cope up with our orders . It's cheaper so to reduce cost this system was given to us . Plus it was fast tracked . And the US still uses the mk18 cqbr m4a1 for SOCOM .much cheaper to mass produce .
Real test would be to fire in burst mode. In single shots it appears to lift. Have a feeling that a bull pup design would offer better control over the lifting tendency
Range depends on barrel length, round type and grooves that are cut inside the barrel.... The amazing thing about a bullup is that it can get shorter without treading the barrel length, like if you take an ak and make a bullup version of it, it would still have the same barrel length but with shorter overall length....
yeah thats what i was thinking. Bull pup wpould make the rifle compact. Better handling. No change in range as it will still be a 7.62/51 caliber. But army does not favour bull pup as it would mean re training the soldier
Well, Aswin Rijhwani, our special forces use tavor though... But we need our usual force guys to have bullpup too, these gun factories should start to work on that or else we'll be lagging behind other country's forces on this segment too....
Bullpup has a lot of design challenges which is why it is not very popular despite being a modern idea... Moreover Indian jawans are tall with good arm lengths... They dont need bullpup guns for conventional use.. (Except cqb perhaps)
Army should not repeat the insas mistake... They should not adopt this gun (or any gun) without testing it till absolute failure and making sure that it will not underperform even slightly...!!!!
the INSAS prototype given by DRDO was better than what is produced now and more changes were also promised but once OFB started manufacturing it they really fucked the shit out of it
Chinmay Sharma no.if you give flash compensater instead muzzle brake... they'll have similar recoil.. But they are AR type rifles.. Generally considered more prone to failure..
Pakistan has selected cz bren 805 for army to replace old German g3 and they will produce approximate 5 lacks rifles in near future so it's necessary to replace the old insas with a new and effective weapon because it's guns which are used by Indian army whole year to protect the nation.
Pushpendra Rai German gun ko khareedne se ya banane se bohat paisa kharach hota ha aur economy par asar paddta ha pakistan ek bohat gareeb aur economy taraf se weak country ha unko zada farak nahi paddta German gun khareedne se kyu ki woh pehle hi bohat gareeb aur weak economy ha par india ki economy pakistan se 10 guna zada ha 2.6 trillion india apna nuksaan karvana mehnga padta ha par pakistan 270 million ki economy ha agar unka nuksaan ho bhi jaye ga tho unko koi zada farak nahi padde ga aur pakistan ke par khudd gun banane ke liye designer working research experiment karne ke liye bhi unke pass paisa nahi ha woh tho bechare China America ke paise se apna guzara bohat mushkil se kar patte ha is liye india ne apni gun khud banae ki sochi ha kyu ki india ke pas paisa bhi ha designers bhi ha workers factories aur raw material bhi ha aur india apni economy high rakhna chata ha
Pushpendra Rai aur cz bren 805 ki 5 lakh guns banabe ke liye pakistan ko 105375006568.21 matlab 1lakh crore pakistani rupess chahie sirf gun ke liye kya pakistan ke pass ithna paisa faltu ha ????
Malasala Kala bro G3 is an old rifle Pakistan army using the rifle from 30-40 years and for cz Bren 805 they have signed contract already for transfer of technology in ideas 2016 held in Karachi.
Pushpendra Rai ha woh tho theek ha india ne bhi Tavor R15 Italian Bullpups aur bhi bohat sari imported rifles khareedi ha mane tho yeh jawab diya tha ki india ne indian gun kyu banayi
Cz Bren 805 is comparable to the latest special ops rifle of us army developed by fn fall as fn-scar-l. Has very few stoppages like all Czech arms and costs much lesser than scar-l. Vz 58 had a greater fire power with fewer stoppages when compared to ak. The reason I mentioned about the venerable vz 58 is to highlight the adaptability and innovation of the Czech(or former czechosolovakia) fire arms industry in redesigning kalshnikov designs in their own unique way and making it even better. Similarly they adopted the fn scar designs pretty well into their existing cz-2000 model which is based on an older czechslovakian design called Lada. This shows their ability to manage and integrate soviet, eastern Bloc and nato designs into their assualt rifle manufacturing industry. Highly versatile capability for a small country. Now if Pakistan has chosen cz 805 Bren then it is for that reason alone. Weapons reliability, latest design and technology, combined with much lesser costs. Despite relying on German arms(heckler and Koch) all this while they still went for a lesser developed country's stock weapon. It implies they have done their search well. Great product at a lesser price. Would be interesting to know which version of cz Bren they would choose-5.56x45 or 7.62x39. Both would still be lesser powered catridges to their existing g3 7.62x51 catridges. Though even a prototype 7.62x51 was also made in cz 805 it was never marketed. What version and the reasons behind choosing that version would be interesting to know
Seems like it's firing a high power bullet with huge blow back. It's less accuracy to me but I got no real life experiance firing any guns. I watch videos of guns.
Why can't they just make rifles that look like other modern rifles...I mean it's working alright and all but they could use better rail systems and better mag layouts etc
Testing the penetration. Ever heard of ballistic gel? Just saying, if you wanted to be awarded a contract worth millions, is that how you would go about doing your work?
No surprise why india not have world class weapons. If they dont have world class facilities a sub standard factory can produce a sub standard weapons.
Yes but tha real war this gun stuck it goes to auto mode our Indiaa army rase problem so many times but we are making ak47in India Indian well not make our one gun
auto fire ? have you ever fired a weapon? that rifle is chambered for 7.62×51 NATO it will kick like a mule and throw the user of balance the recoil will be twice as powerful as the AK
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No full rails, no adjustable buttstocks , Its basically a 90s rifle ,, Even a small US cos makes better rifle than us ,,, Pathetic state of Ordanance Factories .
Dear Aravind 1. Buttstocks can be changed. 2. Rails can be added if required. if you have issues with the reciever or mags or something related to the rifle's core then complain about it
The mag housing is an old design, nowadays all housing are magwell design to equip the mags faster in combat, a second's difference in reload can take a soldiers life. Not to mention ambidextrous fire selector. I have seen many videos of this gun and haven't found to have it yet. Yes rails could be added but for that your rifle design needs to have equal leveling in the upper receiver section, the level itself doesn't match. Its just a rehash of the olden day AK design, while the AKs themselves have overhauled their own. No doubt with some modifications in the design the rifle can match the requirement standards, but not now. Remember Enfield also had a lot of problems with their L85 design initially, but after the MoD British entitled HK to redesign the gun parts, we are introduced to L85A2 and now L85A3 which is basically the same gun with improved parts. IMO OFB is in the same position as Enfield, It has definitely produced a potentially quality platform, but the platform needs other manufacturers to work upon for improvement. I am not sure OFB is willing to do so.
No target simply shooting at sand how will anybody assess its accuracy effective range etc,Simply do something to show ignorant public that we are doing something and not wasting tax money
Really, this is not a true and factual comment. The rifle in this video is showing the same amount of RECOIL that you will experience in any BATTLE RIFLE of its era.
doesn't look like it though. And obviously, the reason why the army and the MoD opting for foreign-made arms rather than giving homemade arms is still a mystery. The reason for saying "quality" and "reliability" issues is akin to making fun of indigenisation. There are more than enough weapons which cuts, but it's this marvel like spec need that lets things go astray, not to mention the red tape.
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This is the most promising rifle of OFB. Should upload more videos with more trials and discussions.
Laughs from sig sauer
@@gauravverma8820 ya. They killed this local gun for foreign comissions
Excalibur rifle is even better!
I'm happy we atleast reached the 90's in terms of tech
Wow..thats called perfection of operating a rifile ..he is very calm and handling gun like a boss...
@big b Arre bhai arre bhai😂😂
you doing great job sandeep
We should encourage Indian craftsmanship..
Meanwhile Army be like: I like foreign comissions so I choose foreign rifle...🤣
Brother Ever thought why russians support Indian views? There is a lot of International politics that common people don't understand.Additionally , making a design prototype is one thing but bulk producing the same quality consistently by Govt Factories is nearly impossible.
The recoil is ok . You cant aspect 5.56 rifle recoil from a heavy 7.62 bullet . 7.62 is 3 time heavier then 5.56. Rifle is ok only two things need to be improve 1st is magazine slot make it like m16 or galil ace 52 and 2nd is put a recoil pad to reduce its recoil impact.
Spring loaded butt like M4 carbines can be used...
@@arpansow3870 it will make it unsatble.after firing horizontal recoil will come into play
@@parayash3789 nope. A damper with a spring will work fine along with slotted guides
The butt should be along the axis of barrel to eliminate barrel jerk when fired.
This gun looks like has less recoil then other 7.62×51 mm
it has way more recoil than all other 7.62x51 rifles. Just search for a video of SCAR r galil ace or heck even FN FAL firing
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Have you seen then SIG RIFLE that army has chosen.
@@chinmaygreat7132 Check recoil of SIG in below link. Its way more than Excalibur
ruclips.net/video/FCEs7mWD99A/видео.html
Chinmay great yes i saw those..but those are also hv much recoil than this..
@Kiran Reaper and the same gun ripped to satisfy QR
Why this fascination for auto fire! A rifle in the 7.62X51 mm will not ideally be used in full auto as the powerful cartridge is not easy to control.
Unlike video games or movies, trained professional personnel in real life situations do not fire extended long bursts, but rely on precise,aimed fire.
Suppressive fire requiring longer bursts are given by LMG, MMG etc
This class of weapons is a for a certain scenario.
For CQB situations there will be requirement of a different class of weapons.
If we can't make our weapons , we can never be a military power on imported weapons . Both DRDO and Army must take it to heart . Army demanding perfect weapon even from the first version of any indigenous weapon is impractical and harmful to local arms industry and is also dangerous for Indian security .
Santosh Satpathy my dear sir, this is not a toy being demanded by the Army. If a soldier can't trust his rifle, he can't test anything. And certain parameters of the weapons trials just cannot be compromised. As it were, we have a heavy casualty rate in our armed forces. Do you wish to suggest that we should send more men to their deaths for no better reason than a weapon malfunction? Trust me, the Army is not rejecting these because they want better looking guns.
When your country's security is at stake, and when its a matter of every soldier's life and death, and when so many years of research and taxpayer's money is involved.. Yeah, its perfectly all right to demand a perfect product...!!!
And if DRDO actually put even half the the dedication that other firms do, they would have by now made an actual progress in this regard...
This is not a DRDO weapon but an OFB one.
Cheli Lombi first of all this is not the product of DRDO. It is developed & manufactured by ofb. it looks quite promising, I don't know what is the reason of rejection of this gun?
tiger i "potato tomato potato" OFB or DRDO they are both twin sister departments.. This gun is good gun no doubt, but in 90's standard.. This gun is what INSAS should have been.. It is not up there in today's standard... No bolt catch, extremely noisy, does not have an effective flash suppressor, it's almost as heavy as an SLR(also known as the dumb gun due to its weight and length), ergonomics is similar to an AK due to which it will never shoot flat in full auto, aesthetically too its quite ugly compared to other rifles in the competition, recoil is so bad that it's shaking this huge guy even in semi auto mode, just imagine firing it in full auto on the battlefield for days on end including running for cover, chasing the enemy, in mud, rain, grime, blood, dust, heat... You get the picture right..??
Missed the Automatic firing part is there a video on it. The video ended before that part came up
Sir we need to see the automatic mode as well if possible.
And did the shell case jam in the ejection port at end of the video ?
Hello sir ,I need an information how to get that post in army that test those weapons
Wow made in India 🇮🇳
That recoil though...even I can feel this
Because it's a battle rifle. It's uses full size round
Compare to sig716 recoil toda Kam lag raha he ?? Magazine problem fir se vahi and cocking handle bi zayda rough dik raha
It would have been better if OFB just developed a shorter barrel version of SLR of length 16 to 17 inches with :-
(1) Semi-auto & Full-auto modes.
(2) Picatinny Rails
(3) Foldable & Collapsible buttstock.
This Could have been easily selected by Indian Military as well as other security forces.
Hi Sandeep, any further news on the OFB 7.62x51 AR in the new year?
Is there any chances this rifle will compete against the International rifles in the fast track program?
Chance low.
A video in auto mode would be helpful to figure out what went wrong for the trials
Better than sig 716,please make more video about this rifle
That's a pretty good gun for a round of 7.62 mm recoil was pretty less
Should have extended magazine well. Makes it easier to reload
Awesome sir😃#
Is it single shot ?
Video in Full Auto mode firing of this rifle, please!
what's the range? where is auto shots?
It's recoil is better than Sig Sauer 719
There was another mag for auto mode. Waiting for another installment of video showing auto/burst mode firing.
Why order sig-716 instead of this??
After reading most of the comments I suggest please see video of Tavor7 firing (as you all are video watchers) it's length accuracy and lethality would astound you
Tavor 7 is 2nd best gun in world. Belgian SCAR 17H is the first.
Ichapore ka hai?
It's 7.62×51 calibar . Rare rifle
Make video of this rifle Auto round...
the recoil is fine but need to suppress the sound
New video ,details banao excellent rifle 👍
you are right
Katappa ne Bahubali ko OFB 7.62x51 AR se kyu mara?
nice
Good to see India try to build their own weapon. Better to be.
I never really understood the need for a new INSAS based rifle chambered in 7.62x51mm when OFB already manufactures "FN FAL".
It would've been more cost effective & time saving to just modernise the OFB's SLR with:-
(1) Picatinny Rails
(2) Retractable & Foldable Buttstock
(3) 17-inch Barrel
(4) Full Auto mode with 500 RPM
(5) KeyMod HandGuard
(6) Better Metallurgy especially for "Barrel" to increase reliability
Utilising the already available sources is the best option.
Chutiyas are filled in ofb
Please fire it on automatic mode
Never understood why OFB developed a brand new Assault chambered in 7.62x51 NATO based on INSAS Rifle design??
Wasn't it more economically & logistically sensible for OFB to develop a modernised Version of SLR (FN FAL)??
The modernised SLR with :-
(1) A 16 to 17 inch barrel
(2) Picatinny rails
(3) Single & Full auto mode
(4) Foldable & Collapsible butt stock.
Could have been a Better system & even got selected by IA.
Sig716 though a good system is overtly expensive especially when its expected to be used by Regular troops in certain areas.
Similarly, a Designated Marksmen version of OFB's SLR can be really good replacement for Draganov SVD.
Hit it like boss,
Feeling some glitches in firing its a good weapon but it need some time to mature the technology we need to make this gun like Beretta arx-200 very handy moduler and easy to disassemble & assemble.
Avidi Arshid buddy just search on RUclips u will get so many video on 7.62*51 mm guns of different companies like SIG suer or cz been or iwi galil ace etc..
recoil comparatively very low.
Avidi Arshid wth do you know nothing this round is bigger than an ak round and much bigger than standard insas or M4 round
It's recoil is high but not bad
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The rifle is good but the recoil is shoving the gun upwards that's bad . The TAR 7 rifle has a recoil completely aligned with the butt stock and recoil mainly pushes backwards . If this problem can be taken into consideration then soon you will have a world class rifle
Just look at the factory...looks like a local truck repair shop u find near highways...how can they be trusted to make quality weapons...the only gun of quality made in India is the jvpc which is kinda comparable to others in the market
its still a decent rifle and and if anyone consider its recoil is more then that person has never handled a rifle
Why non of the video show automatic firing
Shiva Rathi bro because full auto will through him out of the building don't u see the recoil. It has a metallic body which no rifle has now days. even the stock sucks and most important thing that ofb and drdo have always failed to produce a 3 or 4 round burst rifle.
Mein ek Bharatiya sena ho mere choice hai AR-10 aur SR 762 kio ki yeh dono hatyer 7.62 mm ki hai. Kio ki AR -10 mein barrel do type ki hai 18"& 24" barrel taki zarurat ane par barrels ko choota ya lamba kar sakta hai. Mere choice yehi sir, Ismein magazine slot aur ejection dust cover bhi hai.
Aur Indian army ko aur bhi powerful bana hai toh main yehi weapon guest keronga MG42& M134 MINI GUN jo ki Bharat mein bahut kaam hai.
I wish to see a bright future of indigenous defence manufacturing in India. But you can't cut off a tree by cutting off its leaves. You have to cut the bark. Shooting ranges in Khyber are better than this range. At least there should be some targets to shoot at? The question is not always about rifle design. In times of war, if army orders 1 lakh rifles , will ofb be able to meet that requirement while maintaining quality? Well to know the answer you need to look at the state of ofb factories and the quality of their workmanship.
Edit : for those saying this range is for testing penetration. Ever heard of ballistic gel? Just saying, if you wanted to be awarded a contract worth millions, is that how you would go about doing your work?
The main problem is with the middleman in the INDIAN ARMY. When OFB produced a very good rifle called the exacalibur , it was an excellent rifle and tested by the army. But suddenly army changed its decision and ordered for a ak caliber version although 5. 56 is better and exacalibur was a very good gun that could be mass peoduced
i am hearing a lot of people saying semi-auto is far better that full auto. its called assault rifle for a reason buds it is so u can lay down suppressive fire on the move at least that was the intention when they first made gen 1 ARs now a days wars are different we have enemies hiding behind corners on vantage points going full auto on range cant be effective. also they fire on semi cuz ammo is limited or else they would run out quickly. and yes i prefer large ammo dumps over precise shots cuz the chances of hitting targets increases drastically. normal army men don't have dead eye aim its better to spray ur targets and eventually hitting them than too take pot shots and pray that the poorly made rifle doesn't fail ur exceptions. leave the first shot kills too snipers ps.
The rifle range needs a good clean up and a proper grass trimming.
Looks like a good weapon. I don't know why Army rejected it - middleman cuts? Its a pattern in our Armed Forces that technologies that can be bought overseas are always preferred over indigenous products, whereas they readily accept sensitive systems from our DRDO which other countries do not sell. We need to do some introspection.
It looks like a good weapon but sadly thats all there is to it. What they have done essentially is re chambered INSAS for 7.62X51 and modified it to accept SLR mags. Army accepts sensitive technoogy from DRDO not ordnance factory board. DRDO recently designed a carbine JVPC on which army has asked a few changes to be made but then It'll be accepted. OFB on the other hand makes bullcrap like INSAS.
Exactly bro. Foreign comission is playing football in our defence industry. If only nuclear missiles are available in foreign then i am sure we will buy them. And Agni like missiles will not improve after first test.
Is it comparable to Sig 716 which also uses 7.62x 51 mm?
Actually it's better in mechanism. It's uses long stroke. But sig uses failed Direct impregnated system. Now US it's self moves to short stoke from shit Direct impregnated system.
@@gobimurugesan2411 who said direct impingement is a failure . Its lightest among all the other system , albiet it has shortcomings like carbon fouling and building up of gases . But its always much cheaper to build . And short stroke isnt always that accurate .
@@pratikbagchi8751 so that's y US special forces are moving to short stroke based systems from direct impingement?. Go and check how US army slowly removes direct impingement systems.
@@gobimurugesan2411 The Sig 716i was to cope up with our orders .
It's cheaper so to reduce cost this system was given to us . Plus it was fast tracked . And the US still uses the mk18 cqbr m4a1 for SOCOM .much cheaper to mass produce .
@@pratikbagchi8751 if u want cheap then y OFB's rifle not selected?. Only reason I can see is foreign comissions
Real test would be to fire in burst mode. In single shots it appears to lift. Have a feeling that a bull pup design would offer better control over the lifting tendency
bullpup would decrease range efficiency,it won't be precise beyond 400-500m,whereas this can go up to 700m
Range depends on barrel length, round type and grooves that are cut inside the barrel.... The amazing thing about a bullup is that it can get shorter without treading the barrel length, like if you take an ak and make a bullup version of it, it would still have the same barrel length but with shorter overall length....
yeah thats what i was thinking. Bull pup wpould make the rifle compact. Better handling. No change in range as it will still be a 7.62/51 caliber. But army does not favour bull pup as it would mean re training the soldier
Well, Aswin Rijhwani, our special forces use tavor though... But we need our usual force guys to have bullpup too, these gun factories should start to work on that or else we'll be lagging behind other country's forces on this segment too....
Bullpup has a lot of design challenges which is why it is not very popular despite being a modern idea...
Moreover Indian jawans are tall with good arm lengths... They dont need bullpup guns for conventional use.. (Except cqb perhaps)
Recoil seem to be lower than Sig
India needed scar type assult riffles
Yeah per piece is 2000 dollars .
Recoil could have been better , accuracy looks good.
Accuracy?. Bro they r just shooting at sands. It's not a accuracy test...🤣
WE DO NOT NEED TO GO OUTSIDE INDIA TO BUY RIFLES IF WE HAVE DEVELOPED SUCH RIFLES
Army should not repeat the insas mistake... They should not adopt this gun (or any gun) without testing it till absolute failure and making sure that it will not underperform even slightly...!!!!
the INSAS prototype given by DRDO was better than what is produced now and more changes were also promised but once OFB started manufacturing it they really fucked the shit out of it
Best for BSF ! jay hind .
Better than sig 716 low recoil reliability 😅
The recoil seems less compared to the other 7.62X51 rifles present across the world.
Brij ray that is what i m saying.
watch videos of galil ace 7.62x51 firing and you'll see what is the recoil of world class rifles. This rifle has excessive recoil
Chinmay Sharma no.if you give flash compensater instead muzzle brake... they'll have similar recoil..
But they are AR type rifles..
Generally considered more prone to failure..
It has more recoil and serious accuracy problem.
Please uploaded auto fire video..
Full auto please
The last cartridge got jammed .
Joy vishwakarma ...colt factory
our country make produced,but why can't new rifles& snipers rifle
shooting on to a target or just on a lump of dirt. wah bhi wah drdo
Look at recoil even in single fire and then full auto u can imagine its dispersion of bullets
Mahaj Mahir its 7.62×51 its very big not like 7.62×39 its ten times more powerful than AKs
thats a very powerful round
if you get hit by one of those in centre mass you will most likely die
Pakistan has selected cz bren 805 for army to replace old German g3 and they will produce approximate 5 lacks rifles in near future so it's necessary to replace the old insas with a new and effective weapon because it's guns which are used by Indian army whole year to protect the nation.
Pushpendra Rai German gun ko khareedne se ya banane se bohat paisa kharach hota ha aur economy par asar paddta ha pakistan ek bohat gareeb aur economy taraf se weak country ha unko zada farak nahi paddta German gun khareedne se kyu ki woh pehle hi bohat gareeb aur weak economy ha par india ki economy pakistan se 10 guna zada ha 2.6 trillion india apna nuksaan karvana mehnga padta ha par pakistan 270 million ki economy ha agar unka nuksaan ho bhi jaye ga tho unko koi zada farak nahi padde ga aur pakistan ke par khudd gun banane ke liye designer working research experiment karne ke liye bhi unke pass paisa nahi ha woh tho bechare China America ke paise se apna guzara bohat mushkil se kar patte ha is liye india ne apni gun khud banae ki sochi ha kyu ki india ke pas paisa bhi ha designers bhi ha workers factories aur raw material bhi ha aur india apni economy high rakhna chata ha
Pushpendra Rai aur cz bren 805 ki 5 lakh guns banabe ke liye pakistan ko 105375006568.21 matlab 1lakh crore pakistani rupess chahie sirf gun ke liye kya pakistan ke pass ithna paisa faltu ha ????
Malasala Kala bro G3 is an old rifle Pakistan army using the rifle from 30-40 years and for cz Bren 805 they have signed contract already for transfer of technology in ideas 2016 held in Karachi.
Pushpendra Rai ha woh tho theek ha india ne bhi Tavor R15 Italian Bullpups aur bhi bohat sari imported rifles khareedi ha mane tho yeh jawab diya tha ki india ne indian gun kyu banayi
Cz Bren 805 is comparable to the latest special ops rifle of us army developed by fn fall as fn-scar-l. Has very few stoppages like all Czech arms and costs much lesser than scar-l.
Vz 58 had a greater fire power with fewer stoppages when compared to ak. The reason I mentioned about the venerable vz 58 is to highlight the adaptability and innovation of the Czech(or former czechosolovakia) fire arms industry in redesigning kalshnikov designs in their own unique way and making it even better. Similarly they adopted the fn scar designs pretty well into their existing cz-2000 model which is based on an older czechslovakian design called Lada. This shows their ability to manage and integrate soviet, eastern Bloc and nato designs into their assualt rifle manufacturing industry. Highly versatile capability for a small country.
Now if Pakistan has chosen cz 805 Bren then it is for that reason alone. Weapons reliability, latest design and technology, combined with much lesser costs. Despite relying on German arms(heckler and Koch) all this while they still went for a lesser developed country's stock weapon. It implies they have done their search well. Great product at a lesser price. Would be interesting to know which version of cz Bren they would choose-5.56x45 or 7.62x39. Both would still be lesser powered catridges to their existing g3 7.62x51 catridges. Though even a prototype 7.62x51 was also made in cz 805 it was never marketed. What version and the reasons behind choosing that version would be interesting to know
Everything is good but design is old looking, thats not satisfactory.Otherwise great
Hamne ache missile banaye par AK acchi rifle nahi Bana PA rahe
Seems like it's firing a high power bullet with huge blow back. It's less accuracy to me but I got no real life experiance firing any guns. I watch videos of guns.
Why can't they just make rifles that look like other modern rifles...I mean it's working alright and all but they could use better rail systems and better mag layouts etc
They don't even have a proper firing range.
what should a proper firing range look like?
GixxerFreak
NOT like that !
That's not the purpose of such ranges. They're testing the penetration.
they are testing the gun
You dont need "a range" to test something
you need "a range" to train
Testing the penetration. Ever heard of ballistic gel? Just saying, if you wanted to be awarded a contract worth millions, is that how you would go about doing your work?
This gun got inducted by CRPF.
Army must give it a 2nd chance
Jai shree Ram 😘
Auto kaha lekin auto nahi dikhaya😑
This sums up the whole job of OFB; shooting without target 😝😂
not like rifle sound silencer lagana padega.
The sound is not smooth n cocking lever is so hard
No surprise why india not have world class weapons. If they dont have world class facilities a sub standard factory can produce a sub standard weapons.
Yes but tha real war this gun stuck it goes to auto mode our Indiaa army rase problem so many times but we are making ak47in India Indian well not make our one gun
I think now ofb don't have any future today only army told that they are not interested in these rifels
recoil jyada h
Why no auto fire mode was shown? First the factory needs to be mordinized for those of you who have not seen the factory.
auto fire ?
have you ever fired a weapon?
that rifle is chambered for 7.62×51 NATO it will kick like a mule and throw the user of balance
the recoil will be twice as powerful as the AK
still heavy recoil
# 'DRDO' par money spend krna govt.ko band kar dena chahiye. .....
# Govt. Paise bachane ke liye 'indigenous assult rifle' program suru Kiya tha..Lekin is rifle ke research pe kharch krne ke bad ab "ak-104" rifle Lene ki soch rha he....???!!!!!🤔🤔🤔🤔😴😴😴😴
No full rails, no adjustable buttstocks , Its basically a 90s rifle ,, Even a small US cos makes better rifle than us ,,, Pathetic state of Ordanance Factories .
Dear Aravind
1. Buttstocks can be changed.
2. Rails can be added if required.
if you have issues with the reciever or mags or something related to the rifle's core then complain about it
The mag housing is an old design, nowadays all housing are magwell design to equip the mags faster in combat, a second's difference in reload can take a soldiers life. Not to mention ambidextrous fire selector. I have seen many videos of this gun and haven't found to have it yet. Yes rails could be added but for that your rifle design needs to have equal leveling in the upper receiver section, the level itself doesn't match. Its just a rehash of the olden day AK design, while the AKs themselves have overhauled their own. No doubt with some modifications in the design the rifle can match the requirement standards, but not now. Remember Enfield also had a lot of problems with their L85 design initially, but after the MoD British entitled HK to redesign the gun parts, we are introduced to L85A2 and now L85A3 which is basically the same gun with improved parts. IMO OFB is in the same position as Enfield, It has definitely produced a potentially quality platform, but the platform needs other manufacturers to work upon for improvement. I am not sure OFB is willing to do so.
It's in testing man.. ji and that also by the company officials.
Your comment sounds like a rival company salesman.
Leonardo Alves exactly
Itna to Recoil har rifle deti h
Wrost or rejected rofle
No target simply shooting at sand how will anybody assess its accuracy effective range etc,Simply do something to show ignorant public that we are doing something and not wasting tax money
Another crap rifle by drdo... Untill private sectors are included as a competition, nothings gonna improve
Cheli Lombi ghandu this rifle made by OFB not DRDO
I hope TATA would develop some quality guns .
How do you know this rifle is crap?
have you used it ..?
Really, this is not a true and factual comment.
The rifle in this video is showing the same amount of RECOIL that you will experience in any BATTLE RIFLE of its era.
and they have no professional shooter
Too much recoil very stiff gun
The recoil is just too.much
It's recoil is less than sig sauer 719
doesn't look like it though. And obviously, the reason why the army and the MoD opting for foreign-made arms rather than giving homemade arms is still a mystery. The reason for saying "quality" and "reliability" issues is akin to making fun of indigenisation. There are more than enough weapons which cuts, but it's this marvel like spec need that lets things go astray, not to mention the red tape.
Hahaha ye to tatti hai 😂
Most boring video.. We wanna see full-auto not that bang2