@@איןסוף no, not harpsichord, since the instrument was not the only one used by Bach. This concerto was composed for Violin and that should be inform performance on piano
Damn, you are so right about that. You just can't get that from the piano like you can among strings. Bach and Vivaldi knew how to exploit the powers of strings.
@@riccardocarbo2479 Yes. Though it can also sound amazing on piano, I believe it can never reach the way a violinist can perform this masterpiece. If you are interested I strongly recomend you Fabio Biondi's performance, it is the best I've heard.
6:05 by far one of the best takes on this I've heard so far. This section is often where many slip up and awkwardly attempt to rush or create some kind of artificial texture. No such nonsense here. Excellent performance.
7:02 ! Thank you, Maestro Carmignola for delivery of the RARELY available emotional intensity of Bach’s compositional intentions, IN DEFIANCE to false standard for emotional repression (#liberateBach!) The ADAGIO is the superb “container” for integrative rebalancing of the mind, and the important Bach’s contribution to the world music therapy repository. It’s a blessing for the Humankind
I believe the recording is using a different reconstruction to the score - I can hear much more 3 string bariolage with double stops in the recording, and some octave displacement
So was it common practice to back then to write a concerto and transcribe or arrange the solo line for different instruments instead of writing a whole other concerto? Im just curious as I've also seen this for a harpsichord and 2 harpsichord. It also wouldn't surprise me because of the sheer amount of music Bach had to write on a weekly basis.
A version for two harpischords? I never heard about it, and I can't find anything. A version for organ is in cantatas BWV 146 and BWV 188. By the way, yes, it was more or less common practice. The idea of Trio Sonata itself, for example, doesn't specify any instrumentation (the Bach's Sonatas are quite organ-oriented, though, but you can't say the same for other composers).
Bach was the first to transcribe them into harpsichord concertos. The harpsichord wasn't a solo instrument in the orchestra back in his days. BWV1061 is the only Bach concerto that intended harpsichords to be the solo instruments (but because of an earlier version known as BWV1061a that doesn't include an orchestra, this work might as well function as a 3-movement sonata for 2 harpsichords)
Apparently this was transcribed due to it's difficulty on the violin, but I haven't found any evidence for this claim other then it being repeated by varying sources- doesn't seem unlikely though, compared to the Vivaldi Concertos for example this is a very virtuosic work in an era where the standards for professional musicians were much lower, so it'd make sense to transcribe the music to an easier medium, like the keyboard.
He did that. It was written for different solo instruments. They don’t know which was original, it’s lost. They have the harpsichord type instrument version and have reconstructed this
MEASURE #557 begins with one extra note in this performance that is NOT in the score. Also, the performer adds TRILLS where they do not appear in the score. 😁
The R stands for "Reconstruction". There is no autograph of this piece as a violin concerto, but because BWV1052 is assumed to be a transcription of a violin concerto, it got reconstructed as such. The only original keyboard concerto that started as a keyboard concerto and isn't based on another concerto with a different solo instrument is BWV1061. This means that there are reconstructions of every other concerto by Bach (except for BWV1065, as it is based on a Vivaldi concerto, BWV1063 because its original probably don't include the 3rd movement and 3 but instead only 1 solo instrument and BWV1044, because it was based on a keyboard piece)
I only like Bach's concertos and am bored by all of his other stuff (with the exception of the opening of B minor mass and some couple pieces here and there). Is there anybody else like that out there or is there something wrong with my ears? It literally sounds to me like a different guy wrote the concertos.
If you like these concertos, you'll probably like more of the pre-Leipzig era Bach than Leipzig Bach. His earlier works (which include most of his concertos like the Brandenburg concertos) are very different from his later (more popular) stuff. Try some of the Toccatas BWV910-916 or some of the violin partitas. The first book of the Well-Tempered Clavier is a good point to get into Bach. If you're interested in organ works, his Toccatas and Fugues (like BWV564, BWV540 or BWV538) are amazing.
You know, Bach is actually a composer about philosophy and thinking - and in my opinion about exactly quite narrow religious philosophy of the XVIIIth c. Protestantism. So he seems to be boring for those who aren't interested in it. Actually I suppose his emotional sphere is a bit atrophied. Bach should be listened to observe an ideal movement of thought, not of emotions. But in some pieces he's very passionate - like in this concerto or solo sonatas and partitas. They all are very specific and not typical for Bach. And this is their delight
5:46 I love the harpsichord version, but you can only really get that emotion from the violin.
Every piano performer of this concerto has an opportunity to learn from violin players about emotional intensity of this piece
do you mean harpsichord?
@@איןסוף no, not harpsichord, since the instrument was not the only one used by Bach. This concerto was composed for Violin and that should be inform performance on piano
@@rozalinapiano Cembalo means Harpsichord
@@rozalinapiano We have no idea what is was originally composed for.
5:46 the dissonance there is pure perfection
Damn, you are so right about that. You just can't get that from the piano like you can among strings. Bach and Vivaldi knew how to exploit the powers of strings.
@@riccardocarbo2479 Yes. Though it can also sound amazing on piano, I believe it can never reach the way a violinist can perform this masterpiece. If you are interested I strongly recomend you Fabio Biondi's performance, it is the best I've heard.
No doubt this work originated as violin concerto@@geronimodaloia6143
It’s just relentless for that first violin. The first theme also has so much balls.
6:05 by far one of the best takes on this I've heard so far. This section is often where many slip up and awkwardly attempt to rush or create some kind of artificial texture. No such nonsense here. Excellent performance.
Ovo je najbolje izvođenje ovog koncerta BWV 1052😊
Check the version by S.Sato in the Netherlands Bach Society, it will change your mind…. It’s on YT
This second movement is so underrated 😭😭😭😭
Incredible work! He was addicted and committed. 6:05
The outstanding of Bach's masterpiece. . .Pure perfection !
7:02 ! Thank you, Maestro Carmignola for delivery of the RARELY available emotional intensity of Bach’s compositional intentions, IN DEFIANCE to false standard for emotional repression (#liberateBach!)
The ADAGIO is the superb “container” for integrative rebalancing of the mind, and the important Bach’s contribution to the world music therapy repository. It’s a blessing for the Humankind
How did I not know this existed before...
Ikr
It was rediscovered, and reconstructed not that long ago
La interpretación del segundo movimiento es increíble!!! Me encanta aun más
The 1st 2 Movements are the same as in BWV 146, & the last one is the same as in BWV 188 which all feature a Solo Keyboard.
Supreme Bach’s masterpiece!!!!
A triumph of musicology. I should like to hear the concerto in C for 3 violins.
It was a harpsichord concerto later in BWV 1053.
I believe the recording is using a different reconstruction to the score - I can hear much more 3 string bariolage with double stops in the recording, and some octave displacement
Amazing performance!
This is my favourite
12:53
Wow, thank you very much!!!
5:31 love the choice of triplets there
Appreciate the full score, m8
3:59 Cadenza
So was it common practice to back then to write a concerto and transcribe or arrange the solo line for different instruments instead of writing a whole other concerto? Im just curious as I've also seen this for a harpsichord and 2 harpsichord. It also wouldn't surprise me because of the sheer amount of music Bach had to write on a weekly basis.
A version for two harpischords? I never heard about it, and I can't find anything. A version for organ is in cantatas BWV 146 and BWV 188.
By the way, yes, it was more or less common practice. The idea of Trio Sonata itself, for example, doesn't specify any instrumentation (the Bach's Sonatas are quite organ-oriented, though, but you can't say the same for other composers).
Bach was the first to transcribe them into harpsichord concertos. The harpsichord wasn't a solo instrument in the orchestra back in his days. BWV1061 is the only Bach concerto that intended harpsichords to be the solo instruments (but because of an earlier version known as BWV1061a that doesn't include an orchestra, this work might as well function as a 3-movement sonata for 2 harpsichords)
Apparently this was transcribed due to it's difficulty on the violin, but I haven't found any evidence for this claim other then it being repeated by varying sources- doesn't seem unlikely though, compared to the Vivaldi Concertos for example this is a very virtuosic work in an era where the standards for professional musicians were much lower, so it'd make sense to transcribe the music to an easier medium, like the keyboard.
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Brandenburg concerto no 5
Warum ist Bachs Violinkonzert das gleiche, wie das 1. Klavierkonzert von ihn? 🤔
He did that. It was written for different solo instruments. They don’t know which was original, it’s lost. They have the harpsichord type instrument version and have reconstructed this
@@M_SC Ah. Ok, vielen Dank.
invertedninthchord I'd rather play the Solo Violin part down an Octave on 5 String Cello (with High E).
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ich sag nur eins: frank peter zimmermann!
Where can i find this very scores ? Help pls
Yo pregunto si podrían dejar de interrumpir con propagandas estúpidas en medio de éste bello concierto ! ?
El tempo real es más lento. Creo que está subido de velocidad el audio.
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Bach harder than Paganini.
MEASURE #557 begins with one extra note in this performance that is NOT in the score. Also, the performer adds TRILLS where they do not appear in the score. 😁
What does 1052R mean cox it says bwv 1052r
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The R stands for "Reconstruction". There is no autograph of this piece as a violin concerto, but because BWV1052 is assumed to be a transcription of a violin concerto, it got reconstructed as such. The only original keyboard concerto that started as a keyboard concerto and isn't based on another concerto with a different solo instrument is BWV1061. This means that there are reconstructions of every other concerto by Bach (except for BWV1065, as it is based on a Vivaldi concerto, BWV1063 because its original probably don't include the 3rd movement and 3 but instead only 1 solo instrument and BWV1044, because it was based on a keyboard piece)
Isn't this his variation on one of Vivaldi's works?
No
Ive read something about it (partly) being inspired by a Vivaldi piece
RUclips is fukkin' fired!!
I only like Bach's concertos and am bored by all of his other stuff (with the exception of the opening of B minor mass and some couple pieces here and there). Is there anybody else like that out there or is there something wrong with my ears? It literally sounds to me like a different guy wrote the concertos.
If you like these concertos, you'll probably like more of the pre-Leipzig era Bach than Leipzig Bach. His earlier works (which include most of his concertos like the Brandenburg concertos) are very different from his later (more popular) stuff. Try some of the Toccatas BWV910-916 or some of the violin partitas. The first book of the Well-Tempered Clavier is a good point to get into Bach. If you're interested in organ works, his Toccatas and Fugues (like BWV564, BWV540 or BWV538) are amazing.
They’re exciting and full of ingenuity
Yeah something's definitely wrong with your ears.
You know, Bach is actually a composer about philosophy and thinking - and in my opinion about exactly quite narrow religious philosophy of the XVIIIth c. Protestantism. So he seems to be boring for those who aren't interested in it. Actually I suppose his emotional sphere is a bit atrophied. Bach should be listened to observe an ideal movement of thought, not of emotions. But in some pieces he's very passionate - like in this concerto or solo sonatas and partitas. They all are very specific and not typical for Bach. And this is their delight
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