Also, I don't if you guys know, but Gaspar made this film for whole three years, with long pauses in between the takes, because of the chronic lack of finances. That's why at the end credits, there are sooo many people that he names, for helping him in various ways to end this masterpiece. Amongst the other, known and unknown artists, writers, other directors, film producers, and regular people, you can find the names of Dario Argento and Quentin Tarantino! However, my main point to write this comment is... Can you just imagine what was it like for Philippe Nahon, to stay in this character for three years? Gaspar said he simply couldn't believe he would stay with him and finish the picture, although it's such a complex and heavy part to play... A man like Phillip, actors like him are sooo rare! Being in this character for whole three years, and whilst watching the film, you'd never be able to say he isn't 110% inside the character, with each and every breath he takes! A man who should be an example of excellence to all young, inspiring actors, who dream of becoming artists, not Hollywood stars - here's a role model. P.S. A few years ago, about ten or so, I was writing a screenplay and thought about making a story, a film, about Arthur Shawcross - the infamous serial killer from Rochester, New York, where he killed 13 prostitutes - I immediately thought about Philippe Nahon,, cuz he looks like him, and he surely would've portrayed him perfectly (just not sure about the English language, how convincing it would've been). By the way, 5 days ago, 19.04 2020, it was exact a year since this great man and actor left us and entered the big void! R.I.P. Philippe
damn intense.. honest and brutal stream of conscience style used in this movie blows me head.. underrated gem, this scene.. revisiting it after years today, and finding more nuances - brilliant filmmaking
+Greg Hamnd not at all deep, just the plain truth everyone knows, in ones own way, but can never admit it. to deny half of what's been said above is to deny your entire existence.
@@FrobblI think the opposite. The world has always been cruel and uncaring, the Internet just has exposed people to a LOT more of those people. But equally, a lot of people who do care exist. Who try to be kind and considerate. I definitely wouldn't say the "good ol days" were full of smiles and rainbows, quite the opposite. As much as I hate to say it, the present is quite literally the MOST caring, even if to a fault at times.
One of the best works of cinema in the last 30+ years! There was a period in my life when I was watching it each day for at least 7, 8 months,,,, Sometimes, of course, only a fragment, just to get my fix and get to my senses, usually before going,or after returning from the library. Other days, 2, 3 times a day from start to the end... cuz I needed it that much! It reminds me so much of the visual mode I get of everything I've read in my life from Louis Ferdinand Celine, Jean Genet, Emil Cioran, even Nietzsche and Kiekegaard at moments... Won't even mention how many times I'm having sex just to pass time, or make me fall asleep, regardless if it's day or night. Thank you Gaspar, for everything you'd given me with this film. It stopped me to kill myself sooo many times... I watched it a few days ago after several years, but I think Ill watch it again now...
He is wrong about a shitload of things. He's simply sour that he hasn't made anything of himself. So what he does, is blames existence for sucking. When in fact, it's he that sucks. He lived a shitty, selfish life, with nothing to show for it, no genuine connections, no friendships, no achievements. So he says 'life is fucked' He's super wrong.
Cool scene with English subtitles. Philippe Nahon (see also 'High Tension') is one of the coolest, most intense/scary actors ever. Gaspar Noe is also an amazing director (see also 'Irreversible')
Just watched this film for the first timw abd had to pause in the middle of this scene. Fucking wow. Completely nailed depression and nihilism to the T. No Superman in the Sky no God to save us. Just the void.
I respect and accept this film's philosophy... but it's too negative for me. Too nullistic, nihilist and negative, because... because true love exists out there. Because empathy is a thing among people. Because people can also be thankful, kind and gentle to you, while also being arrogant, snobbish, aggressive... because people are made in a tons of different ways. Also: filial love DOES exist but the family must be a HEALTHY one, one where can actually be love between all the members. And fortunately I think that most families out there are healthy families. The butcher talks bad of life because until his age he never received the love he needed and, having almost no one taking care of him when he was little, he soon lost his innocence and was forced to grow up fast. Poor nameless butcher........ I feel really pity and commotion for his character, although the movie doesn't end very well
I don't think so. I think what the character demonstrates is a deep melancholy, which leads him to not care about anyone, but because he also thinks that he cannot be loved in any way. He's not even interested in manipulating anyone to get what he needs, he's just tired of seeing this. and On many occasions he is simply honest.
But empathy is normal in a person. Somewhat instinctive. Even in many animals. Our instinct is to be gentle with children, which is natural . There's no way I could find it in my heart to harm that woman how he did. I even felt sympathy towards our nation's enemy at one time in my life, although I was looking at him across my sights prepared to fire. We were ordered not to fire, though, because they were retreating, and our engagement criteria were only to fire in self-defense, and we were ordered not to fire. For a person to not have these feelings to me is so unnatural and extremely frightening, knowing there are some amongst us like this.
so fucking good. i was a bit disappointed with the ending though. i would have been much more satisfied if he went "all out" if you catch my drift. being vague here cause i don't wanna spoil it.
You obviously didn't understand his very last words at the end, ALL THE THINGS he's saying when the camera moves away from them through the window and focuses on the street, and we hear his thoughts for some 2, 3 minutes more, in which he clearly stresses that he IS GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY, and it'll be a pure love, the only kind that the two of them can get in that world! Further more, if you've watched "Irreversible", it's practically impossible not to notice that the film begins with him, naked in the room, partially covered with an old blanket, having conversation with some man, and tells him that he's just got out off prison, where he was because he was having sex with his daughter... If you actually liked this film, as you write you do, I can't even begin to understand how come you hadn't understood something as important as that - the final thoughts of his thinking process, the finale of the ethical part of his system of values, practically the last words of his essay!?!?!
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Also, I don't if you guys know, but Gaspar made this film for whole three years, with long pauses in between the takes, because of the chronic lack of finances. That's why at the end credits, there are sooo many people that he names, for helping him in various ways to end this masterpiece. Amongst the other, known and unknown artists, writers, other directors, film producers, and regular people, you can find the names of Dario Argento and Quentin Tarantino!
However, my main point to write this comment is... Can you just imagine what was it like for Philippe Nahon, to stay in this character for three years? Gaspar said he simply couldn't believe he would stay with him and finish the picture, although it's such a complex and heavy part to play... A man like Phillip, actors like him are sooo rare! Being in this character for whole three years, and whilst watching the film, you'd never be able to say he isn't 110% inside the character, with each and every breath he takes!
A man who should be an example of excellence to all young, inspiring actors, who dream of becoming artists, not Hollywood stars - here's a role model.
P.S. A few years ago, about ten or so, I was writing a screenplay and thought about making a story, a film, about Arthur Shawcross - the infamous serial killer from Rochester, New York, where he killed 13 prostitutes - I immediately thought about Philippe Nahon,, cuz he looks like him, and he surely would've portrayed him perfectly (just not sure about the English language, how convincing it would've been).
By the way, 5 days ago, 19.04 2020, it was exact a year since this great man and actor left us and entered the big void! R.I.P. Philippe
damn intense.. honest and brutal stream of conscience style used in this movie blows me head.. underrated gem, this scene.. revisiting it after years today, and finding more nuances - brilliant filmmaking
reminds me of Notes from the Underground.
, that is deep, this is exactly how i have felt recent.
I wish we lived in a world that cared.
+Greg Hamnd not at all deep, just the plain truth everyone knows, in ones own way, but can never admit it. to deny half of what's been said above is to deny your entire existence.
@@Frobbl when did the events described in your message exactly happen
@@FrobblI think the opposite. The world has always been cruel and uncaring, the Internet just has exposed people to a LOT more of those people. But equally, a lot of people who do care exist. Who try to be kind and considerate. I definitely wouldn't say the "good ol days" were full of smiles and rainbows, quite the opposite.
As much as I hate to say it, the present is quite literally the MOST caring, even if to a fault at times.
Hardest truths have never been spoken.
One of the best works of cinema in the last 30+ years! There was a period in my life when I was watching it each day for at least 7, 8 months,,,, Sometimes, of course, only a fragment, just to get my fix and get to my senses, usually before going,or after returning from the library. Other days, 2, 3 times a day from start to the end... cuz I needed it that much! It reminds me so much of the visual mode I get of everything I've read in my life from Louis Ferdinand Celine, Jean Genet, Emil Cioran, even Nietzsche and Kiekegaard at moments... Won't even mention how many times I'm having sex just to pass time, or make me fall asleep, regardless if it's day or night.
Thank you Gaspar, for everything you'd given me with this film. It stopped me to kill myself sooo many times...
I watched it a few days ago after several years, but I think Ill watch it again now...
Stay strong, life is good 🙏🏻
I like to think that it cuts off midsentence because his nihilistic ramblings seriously bummed out the editor.
Greatest movie ever made
@d R Okay tough guy, next time I will ask you before liking someting
It's interesting how he always returns to talking about money or the lack there of.
One of the best scene ever made🔥🙏
Which one do you mean precisely?! There are several scenes in this sequence!
this is life
Not really. I feel sorry you if you think so though
@@FunkSoulBrother7 this is life for many, perhaps for the majority.
@@art-fw7ci Wrong
He's right, but at the same time, he's wrong. It's not so clean cut.
He is wrong about a shitload of things. He's simply sour that he hasn't made anything of himself. So what he does, is blames existence for sucking. When in fact, it's he that sucks.
He lived a shitty, selfish life, with nothing to show for it, no genuine connections, no friendships, no achievements. So he says 'life is fucked'
He's super wrong.
Cool scene with English subtitles. Philippe Nahon (see also 'High Tension') is one of the coolest, most intense/scary actors ever. Gaspar Noe is also an amazing director (see also 'Irreversible')
It is all the negative of everything
Just watched this film for the first timw abd had to pause in the middle of this scene.
Fucking wow. Completely nailed depression and nihilism to the T. No Superman in the Sky no God to save us. Just the void.
Dark. Materialist. Nihilist. Depressive.
I respect and accept this film's philosophy... but it's too negative for me. Too nullistic, nihilist and negative, because... because true love exists out there. Because empathy is a thing among people. Because people can also be thankful, kind and gentle to you, while also being arrogant, snobbish, aggressive... because people are made in a tons of different ways. Also: filial love DOES exist but the family must be a HEALTHY one, one where can actually be love between all the members. And fortunately I think that most families out there are healthy families. The butcher talks bad of life because until his age he never received the love he needed and, having almost no one taking care of him when he was little, he soon lost his innocence and was forced to grow up fast. Poor nameless butcher........ I feel really pity and commotion for his character, although the movie doesn't end very well
Hahahaha
Well, it's basically a film a bout depression.
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Is this the part that is "meant to be?"
omg this guy needs some serious counselling yo!
This is the way a sociopath thinks. They have no empathy.
I don't think so. I think what the character demonstrates is a deep melancholy, which leads him to not care about anyone, but because he also thinks that he cannot be loved in any way. He's not even interested in manipulating anyone to get what he needs, he's just tired of seeing this. and On many occasions he is simply honest.
But empathy is normal in a person. Somewhat instinctive. Even in many animals. Our instinct is to be gentle with children, which is natural . There's no way I could find it in my heart to harm that woman how he did. I even felt sympathy towards our nation's enemy at one time in my life, although I was looking at him across my sights prepared to fire. We were ordered not to fire, though, because they were retreating, and our engagement criteria were only to fire in self-defense, and we were ordered not to fire. For a person to not have these feelings to me is so unnatural and extremely frightening, knowing there are some amongst us like this.
@@RickNetherylots of things are instinctive. I suppose that that's the point of some nihilists, although not all of them.
so fucking good. i was a bit disappointed with the ending though. i would have been much more satisfied if he went "all out" if you catch my drift. being vague here cause i don't wanna spoil it.
You obviously didn't understand his very last words at the end, ALL THE THINGS he's saying when the camera moves away from them through the window and focuses on the street, and we hear his thoughts for some 2, 3 minutes more, in which he clearly stresses that he IS GOING TO GO ALL THE WAY, and it'll be a pure love, the only kind that the two of them can get in that world!
Further more, if you've watched "Irreversible", it's practically impossible not to notice that the film begins with him, naked in the room, partially covered with an old blanket, having conversation with some man, and tells him that he's just got out off prison, where he was because he was having sex with his daughter...
If you actually liked this film, as you write you do, I can't even begin to understand how come you hadn't understood something as important as that - the final thoughts of his thinking process, the finale of the ethical part of his system of values, practically the last words of his essay!?!?!
bummer
extremely materyalist view, alas, it is all true...
This is why Noe is known as France's Sun Bringer.