This video has nothing to do with whether or not skillpoint farming is profitable or not. I am just showing how I make a skillpoint alt to get as much skillpoints as possible in shortest amount of time possible.
You could save even more ISK setting the farm up if you only buy the 2 implants to boost the primary and secondary attribute of the skills your training - given that you already chose the skills to have the same primary/secondary attributes!
@@xPreatorianx1 You just need 2, get perception and wilpower implants, remap your attributes for max perception and whats left to willpower. Train any race battle crusier to 5. You get 3 injectors per month, well its a little more but you can't take halves... well after you have cybernetic 5
Quick suggestion: when making a brand new toon, you can buy a cheap "prototype cerebral accelerator" for like 20 mil that lasts 14 days (or 28 if biology 5) and adds 9 points to all attributes
13.5 SP/minute is nothing to sneeze at. It works out to around 275K SP, or double that if you inject or train biology 5 (only an x1) before popping the booster. It represents 10% of the SP needed to start extracting skills.
You just need 2 implants, get perception and wilpower implants, remap your attributes for max perception and whats left to willpower. Train any race battle crusier to 5. You get 3 injectors per month, well its a little more but you can't take halves... well after you have cybernetic 5. Also better to trade in perimeter due to cheaper taxes.
I tried this and the time went up from 400 something days to over 500. Are you really sure about perception and willpower? EveMon says i should optimize to Intelligence and Memory
@@pinguincoder Evemon is probably using whats in your skill queue. Fill the queue with skills that have the same primary and secondary attribute. Need to check them as things like advanced space ship skills are not the same as the basic ones, ie assault ships won't have the same primary attribute as battle cruiser or bs. I just use bc5 and bs 5 for my skill farms. attributes are the same and I only have 2 plus 5+. Been doing it for many years.
@@earnestemu5148 ah ok ty. Yeah i remapped according top the Plan of Ace face . So you learn frigate, Cruiser, Battlecruiser and Battleship all Up to Level 5 with all the prerequisites?
@@pinguincoder Not sure what prereq were. But if you doing this to skill farm you need cybernetics 5 for the 2 x plus 5 implants and then train the skills you are mapped for. I find it easier to use perception/willpower as you have all the T1 ships plus gunnery and missiles to choose from. Generally in a month you can do BC5 plus a little something else. Then all you do is extract the bc5 and put it back in the queue. That way you only need 1 race skills, dont need frig, dest or cruiser to 5.
(This is more for the posters below who doubt it can be profitable) I've been plexing 3 to 6 accounts with skill trading alone since skill extractors/injectors were added to the game. When I first started it the isk was insane. I was plexing more than one account with only one farmer account. Now I can plex an account with 1 pilot per account but dont make a profit. With 3 pilots on an account I can profit 500m per month. This is -IF- I do things right. +5 implants, max stats in the appropriate places, and buy and sell on the best of buy or sell orders (or the New Eden Store). Consider that each hub may be different. Some will net you more isk than others, some profitable some not. Bottom line is even if I only make enough isk this way to buy 475 plex that is 475 plex less I have to buy at the end of the month to play essentially free.
another little idea i just came up with is that you can use remap, every new character have 3 remaps 1 yearly and 2 bbonus remap, so if its a farming character we can remap the attributes to a specific category making the training fastest by only training the specific category skills, like spaceship command, gunnery which actually have a very big max skill points. which on the top of that also have same attributes.
What you're not mentioning is that to get 5,500,000 SP you need to train almost 3 months if you start from zero (using improved implants only). 500,000 SP takes about 8 days, so in 1 month you can only fill about 3 or 4 large injectors. To get 14 large injectors like in your video, someone would need to train for more than 3.5 months on top of the time needed to get the initial 5,500,000 SP (Max training speed without accelerators is 64,800 SP/day), so more than 6 months training (and paying). Or am I missing something?
You could train up to 5 million as alpha, then inject that million bonus points you get for using a referral link, boosting you above 5.5m Sure, it'll take longer, but it will not cost as much.
So is the point to dump the skill injectors to your main for beefing up skills or for making passive ISK to convert to plex to get Omega for either main or this account? Just curious what you do with your injectors
Pointless to do that, the more skill point you have the less you get when injecting, I call this fake, he said he remapped to speed training, last shot shows 4 skills at 28 and one at 27, no remap there for max training, it only works out profitable because he used plex to buy injectors, probably from referral perks
I feel like you could optimize this even more. You can't extract skill points below 5 Million SP. IIRC, 5 million is about what you need to get a Planetary Industry alt. You can first train the toon into a PI alt, then plug in perception and memory and train nothing but Spaceship Command skills. That way you can do PI and make some extra money, and you also have access to certain ship hulls (although no modules) if you want to swap the skill farm toon into a proper alt that will fly proper ships. The alt must be omega, so you may as well run PI on it and multibox in highsec so you don't get podded. If you just want skill farm, thats fine, just extract the Spaceship command skills. Train up to Marauders V, and extract everything back down. This way, you have some more flexibility.
First: you haven't used alpha time to skilled up to 5 mln skill points, so you overinvested. Secondly: you are remapping intelligence and memory because you will only use them for farming, so no implants are needed for the rest of the attributes - 450 mln isk lost. Thirdly: farming skill points are currently unprofitable, only to significantly reduce the cost of running another omega account.
I think it is clear that he knows this give his other videos. That being said, your comment, although critical, is beneficial to people thinking of skill farming.
I have a question :) I have 3 accounts, not played EVE in a very long time, I dont plan to use at least 1 alt, he has 62M SP is it worth buying Omega, and Extractors to suck my character down to 5.5m sp? and use the remaining omega time with its +5 implants to learn your skills + remap for the rest of the 30days? Im not too lazy to find out Im just not very good at maths :D
Dumb question, how do I add an alt and Eve whenever I go to add account on the launcher? It just brings me in an infinite loop at the Eve website and won't let me add another alt. No clue what's going on. Thanks for the help
I am also confused as to why this process nets any advantage over just buying the skillpoint injectors (full) rather than buying the empty extractors with PLEX, and then taking over two-three months of Omega training time in the form of SP to then sell back on the market for ISK? It seems like either a waste of money or a waste of time. And if you needed more skills faster, then you could just buy the full injectors from the market using ISK or PLEX...right? I don't quite get it either, same as a few other commenters.
Save the implant costs past 2, use boosters when available, daily login bonus and there's many other choices i.e. Blueprints, manufacturing, reactions, mining, gate scout, abyss lookout (cloaked and combat ready) use that alt.
So youre saying that if i train a skill to max, i can extract its points and spend them on something else and the skill its extracted from will still be trained?
I can't do that to an alt. It's too cruel, to have him/her study up, get knowledgeable, then suck the marrow. "It's a toon! Harden the eff up!", I can hear. It's still cruel.
@@mctobi2921 it's easy to calculate for today, but for the long distance it can be diff. I just want to know statistic, but not caclucation :) Its can be the same, but not always
it could be profitable only using Alpha skills, maybe you could make an alternative Skill farm map? Looks good but I would not invest an Omega unless I'd really need those skill points for my main as you probably do.
Alpha's are capped at 5 million SP. Theoretically, I suppose you could train up to 5M and then redeem the free 1M SP and make 1 large skill extractor and then that account is done. So, you could make a new account every day and ~5 months later, start extracting 1 large skill injector per day, every day, for free.
Where are you getting the 2000 plex from to buy injectors?? its fake, sit down work out the cost, see how much you need to pull out from your wallet to make it work.
I'm curious...You can't train an Alpha character beyond 5 mil skill points so this alt of yours must be a paid Omega account to get to 10 mil skill points. No matter how you pay for it it would just seem cheaper to buy the injectors. Second is the fact that you have to buy the skill extractors with real money. 40 bucks for 10 so 5 mil skill points cost 40 bucks plus training an Omega character to 11 or so mil skill points. I simply train all of my characters with implants and remaps as I train a certain group in waves to take advantage of the remap. There is no way I'd pay what it takes here to get 5 mil skill points added to another character.
@@Aceyface After further investigation I must once again claim that with an alpha character you can only obtain 5 mil skill points without spending money. You can buy Omega, but the cost is ridiculous considering you must then obtain the maximum skill points for the one month the Omega cost you in real dollars or plex. The alpha injector once again will cost. You cannot train an alpha clone beyond 5 mil skill points without cost in real money or isk. The best option I see is buying the alpha skill injectors and then the extractors which will cost you about 5.75 dollars per 500,000 skill points. Inject then extract. It's not overly expensive, but most people don't like spending real money.
No... Each skill has a primary and secondary attribute that both affect how long the skill takes to train. It was said in the video. And it has been this way for over 15 years if not the entire lifetime of the game. Source: I have been playing since 2k7.
Rip skill farms...thanks to your video now everyone goes and does it only to watch the price drop making it not profitable. At least I will be around...send me your isk I will double it for you.
this game so complex , and in end fight is like crap , i see 2 laser beams and ship rotating up and down game over .... its like i am fighting on a cosmos wallapaer which eats gpu for wallapaper graphics
cloaking and remap for it, it gives 1 injector every 8 days, with no accelerators at all. with omega gifts you get more than 4 injectors a month. free omega alts to mine or pi or what ever you want.
No, thats the point of it. You can plex your alt for free with that. You got 2 choices... eighter you play with an 5 mil Alpha account, or do this.. still only have 5 mil but have an omega account as the money you get from skill extraction plays for your Subscribtion. So essentially an free omega account (but without getting more skillpoints, but as an Alpha you wouldnt increase them anyway... so its still an straight upgrade)
This video has nothing to do with whether or not skillpoint farming is profitable or not. I am just showing how I make a skillpoint alt to get as much skillpoints as possible in shortest amount of time possible.
Which it does well.
@@BlaBla-ze6lz Alternate or secondary character/pilot
most of them requires omega now :(
But you have to pay Omega😢
Can you give us the numbers?
You could save even more ISK setting the farm up if you only buy the 2 implants to boost the primary and secondary attribute of the skills your training - given that you already chose the skills to have the same primary/secondary attributes!
@@xPreatorianx1 You just need 2, get perception and wilpower implants, remap your attributes for max perception and whats left to willpower. Train any race battle crusier to 5. You get 3 injectors per month, well its a little more but you can't take halves... well after you have cybernetic 5
Quick suggestion: when making a brand new toon, you can buy a cheap "prototype cerebral accelerator" for like 20 mil that lasts 14 days (or 28 if biology 5) and adds 9 points to all attributes
Yeah, you should do it, but in the long run, it doesn't add a lot.
13.5 SP/minute is nothing to sneeze at. It works out to around 275K SP, or double that if you inject or train biology 5 (only an x1) before popping the booster.
It represents 10% of the SP needed to start extracting skills.
You just need 2 implants, get perception and wilpower implants, remap your attributes for max perception and whats left to willpower. Train any race battle crusier to 5. You get 3 injectors per month, well its a little more but you can't take halves... well after you have cybernetic 5. Also better to trade in perimeter due to cheaper taxes.
I tried this and the time went up from 400 something days to over 500. Are you really sure about perception and willpower? EveMon says i should optimize to Intelligence and Memory
@@pinguincoder Evemon is probably using whats in your skill queue. Fill the queue with skills that have the same primary and secondary attribute. Need to check them as things like advanced space ship skills are not the same as the basic ones, ie assault ships won't have the same primary attribute as battle cruiser or bs. I just use bc5 and bs 5 for my skill farms. attributes are the same and I only have 2 plus 5+. Been doing it for many years.
@@earnestemu5148 ah ok ty. Yeah i remapped according top the Plan of Ace face . So you learn frigate, Cruiser, Battlecruiser and Battleship all Up to Level 5 with all the prerequisites?
@@pinguincoder Not sure what prereq were. But if you doing this to skill farm you need cybernetics 5 for the 2 x plus 5 implants and then train the skills you are mapped for. I find it easier to use perception/willpower as you have all the T1 ships plus gunnery and missiles to choose from. Generally in a month you can do BC5 plus a little something else. Then all you do is extract the bc5 and put it back in the queue. That way you only need 1 race skills, dont need frig, dest or cruiser to 5.
@@earnestemu5148 ahhh OK got it :D then i'll guess i will remap again
(This is more for the posters below who doubt it can be profitable) I've been plexing 3 to 6 accounts with skill trading alone since skill extractors/injectors were added to the game. When I first started it the isk was insane. I was plexing more than one account with only one farmer account. Now I can plex an account with 1 pilot per account but dont make a profit. With 3 pilots on an account I can profit 500m per month. This is -IF- I do things right. +5 implants, max stats in the appropriate places, and buy and sell on the best of buy or sell orders (or the New Eden Store). Consider that each hub may be different. Some will net you more isk than others, some profitable some not. Bottom line is even if I only make enough isk this way to buy 475 plex that is 475 plex less I have to buy at the end of the month to play essentially free.
another little idea i just came up with is that you can use remap,
every new character have 3 remaps 1 yearly and 2 bbonus remap, so if its a farming character we can remap the attributes to a specific category making the training fastest by only training the specific category skills, like spaceship command, gunnery which actually have a very big max skill points. which on the top of that also have same attributes.
He does that in the video tho
What you're not mentioning is that to get 5,500,000 SP you need to train almost 3 months if you start from zero (using improved implants only). 500,000 SP takes about 8 days, so in 1 month you can only fill about 3 or 4 large injectors. To get 14 large injectors like in your video, someone would need to train for more than 3.5 months on top of the time needed to get the initial 5,500,000 SP (Max training speed without accelerators is 64,800 SP/day), so more than 6 months training (and paying). Or am I missing something?
You could train up to 5 million as alpha, then inject that million bonus points you get for using a referral link, boosting you above 5.5m
Sure, it'll take longer, but it will not cost as much.
Ive been running the numbers on tech 2 invention and production. Very profitable if you decide to use those skills one day.
So is the point to dump the skill injectors to your main for beefing up skills or for making passive ISK to convert to plex to get Omega for either main or this account? Just curious what you do with your injectors
Pointless to do that, the more skill point you have the less you get when injecting, I call this fake, he said he remapped to speed training, last shot shows 4 skills at 28 and one at 27, no remap there for max training, it only works out profitable because he used plex to buy injectors, probably from referral perks
I feel like you could optimize this even more. You can't extract skill points below 5 Million SP. IIRC, 5 million is about what you need to get a Planetary Industry alt. You can first train the toon into a PI alt, then plug in perception and memory and train nothing but Spaceship Command skills. That way you can do PI and make some extra money, and you also have access to certain ship hulls (although no modules) if you want to swap the skill farm toon into a proper alt that will fly proper ships. The alt must be omega, so you may as well run PI on it and multibox in highsec so you don't get podded. If you just want skill farm, thats fine, just extract the Spaceship command skills. Train up to Marauders V, and extract everything back down. This way, you have some more flexibility.
5.5m actually. You cannot extract if your character is below that
First: you haven't used alpha time to skilled up to 5 mln skill points, so you overinvested. Secondly: you are remapping intelligence and memory because you will only use them for farming, so no implants are needed for the rest of the attributes - 450 mln isk lost. Thirdly: farming skill points are currently unprofitable, only to significantly reduce the cost of running another omega account.
I think it is clear that he knows this give his other videos. That being said, your comment, although critical, is beneficial to people thinking of skill farming.
Thank you wise capsuleer
@@shantilus not really beneficial if it's the wrong info
Thank you !
what is the TLDR here?
I tried to download the Skill plan you reference in the video. It is not available :(
I have a question :) I have 3 accounts, not played EVE in a very long time, I dont plan to use at least 1 alt, he has 62M SP is it worth buying Omega, and Extractors to suck my character down to 5.5m sp? and use the remaining omega time with its +5 implants to learn your skills + remap for the rest of the 30days? Im not too lazy to find out Im just not very good at maths :D
You can do that. You will get some 70bil?maybe
Cheers, cos I think it cost me like 1.5b to plex and will cost 300m plus per extractor so will be a lot less 😭
At the current plex price, it's not worth bothering with, if I've miscalculated something, can you tell me how it's worth it?
Dumb question, how do I add an alt and Eve whenever I go to add account on the launcher? It just brings me in an infinite loop at the Eve website and won't let me add another alt. No clue what's going on. Thanks for the help
Ace can you explain why this is better than just buying the injectors outright? Considering the cost of an omega account, the extractors, etc.
I suppose the end goal is not to use the injectors. He wants to sell them and pay for the plex for the character to continue as omega.
It's not Eve is PTW now just use your card and cut all this out.
I am also confused as to why this process nets any advantage over just buying the skillpoint injectors (full) rather than buying the empty extractors with PLEX, and then taking over two-three months of Omega training time in the form of SP to then sell back on the market for ISK? It seems like either a waste of money or a waste of time. And if you needed more skills faster, then you could just buy the full injectors from the market using ISK or PLEX...right? I don't quite get it either, same as a few other commenters.
I have 8 accounts at 5m SP and don't know how to turn them into farm
So this has to be a completely different account? Not another character created on same account?
How long does it take from 5000 sp to 12000sp with skilled cybernetics and such implants/remapping?
Save the implant costs past 2, use boosters when available, daily login bonus and there's many other choices i.e. Blueprints, manufacturing, reactions, mining, gate scout, abyss lookout (cloaked and combat ready) use that alt.
do you do 3 on every account ? How much does it cost the upkeep cost or profit per character if you sell the injectors?
So youre saying that if i train a skill to max, i can extract its points and spend them on something else and the skill its extracted from will still be trained?
I bought some skill injectors and applied them... many of the skills I already had have gone now and have to retrain them... what's up with that?
So, you used extractors, not injectors....
You sucked out skill points, which causes those skills to need retraining again
@@FloridaGecko Yup.... 😕
How many account do I need? Do you pay for all accounts in real money or farmed plex?
I can't do that to an alt. It's too cruel, to have him/her study up, get knowledgeable, then suck the marrow. "It's a toon! Harden the eff up!", I can hear. It's still cruel.
Great vid Ace, thank you.
The 2 long pi trains primary charisma, the ingame description is misleading.
So how prifitly is it? Per month or another point of time.
Its easy to calculate, but you usually get around 2/3 - 1 Subscribtion from it. So its like an free omega alt.
@@mctobi2921 it's easy to calculate for today, but for the long distance it can be diff. I just want to know statistic, but not caclucation :) Its can be the same, but not always
@@CheGevarich the last few years, for me it usually was pretty close to the price of a subscribtion
is there a way of doing this as an alpha?
I'm afraid not. Alphas can't learn past 5mil SP , and you can't extract with less than 5.5
Care do share your Skill Farming Skill Plan with the rest of us?
do you not pay attention?
He clearly shows you how to get it from his in game Bio...
I'm pretty sure the skill farming business exist to help the farmer Plex with isk.
Having payed for a second Omega account it's... Big brain 🧠++
Why have all implants and why not train only int/mem skills? waste of money and training speed
Brand new to Eve. Hard to understand the clicking and such during the commentary. Very confusing .
nice video but what must i do to transfer the extractors to the main charakter ?
a contract to that character? maybe
@@EmvyBeats That's what I do. Just keep my stuff at Jita 4-4 for simplicity's sake, and write up a contract between my alt and main.
@@HelghastGrunt drag the items to your character to trade if in same station
@@Maxis196 Oh nice, never knew that. Thanks.
is this still worth it?
And what fit is used? You don't give that info even though it's in the description.
"I wait months before I can extract but when I do, it's relevant to save some seconds clicking less". I struggle to get the logic behind this.
thank you for this video.!
i didnt know you can skip these tutorials ngl
Was wondering if this was still with doing
it could be profitable only using Alpha skills, maybe you could make an alternative Skill farm map? Looks good but I would not invest an Omega unless I'd really need those skill points for my main as you probably do.
You can only extract from a toon with more than 5.5m sp. alphas max at 5m unless you’re using daily injectors. You have to go omega to make it viable.
Alpha's are capped at 5 million SP. Theoretically, I suppose you could train up to 5M and then redeem the free 1M SP and make 1 large skill extractor and then that account is done. So, you could make a new account every day and ~5 months later, start extracting 1 large skill injector per day, every day, for free.
@@chessblunderer898 can’t even do that, if you’ve claimed the 1m sp it’s counted towards the 5m whether you’ve used it or not
How do I always see these vids in my feed the second they come out?
once again ace face brilliant vid I shall be making a few of these accounts I really badly need sp thank you love your content
Where are you getting the 2000 plex from to buy injectors?? its fake, sit down work out the cost, see how much you need to pull out from your wallet to make it work.
You clicked cancel on the remap instead of accept. Even showed your skills being equal in the end.
God bless You dude, this is really useful.
Nice thank you
I'm curious...You can't train an Alpha character beyond 5 mil skill points so this alt of yours must be a paid Omega account to get to 10 mil skill points. No matter how you pay for it it would just seem cheaper to buy the injectors. Second is the fact that you have to buy the skill extractors with real money. 40 bucks for 10 so 5 mil skill points cost 40 bucks plus training an Omega character to 11 or so mil skill points. I simply train all of my characters with implants and remaps as I train a certain group in waves to take advantage of the remap. There is no way I'd pay what it takes here to get 5 mil skill points added to another character.
Nono you can get 21 mil sp as an alpha clone but the remaining 16 mil is able to be trained with alpha injector or omega time
@@Aceyface then I must have my facts wrong.
@@Aceyface After further investigation I must once again claim that with an alpha character you can only obtain 5 mil skill points without spending money. You can buy Omega, but the cost is ridiculous considering you must then obtain the maximum skill points for the one month the Omega cost you in real dollars or plex. The alpha injector once again will cost. You cannot train an alpha clone beyond 5 mil skill points without cost in real money or isk. The best option I see is buying the alpha skill injectors and then the extractors which will cost you about 5.75 dollars per 500,000 skill points. Inject then extract. It's not overly expensive, but most people don't like spending real money.
🤫 it’s not worth doing
Good plan m8, very well planned.
The only implants you need are for memory and intelligence... the other attributes have nothing to do with skill training speed.
No... Each skill has a primary and secondary attribute that both affect how long the skill takes to train. It was said in the video. And it has been this way for over 15 years if not the entire lifetime of the game.
Source: I have been playing since 2k7.
Great vid
Rip skill farms...thanks to your video now everyone goes and does it only to watch the price drop making it not profitable. At least I will be around...send me your isk I will double it for you.
this game so complex , and in end fight is like crap , i see 2 laser beams and ship rotating up and down game over .... its like i am fighting on a cosmos wallapaer which eats gpu for wallapaper graphics
if it weren't for 200 players having 10 accounts each Eve would have died years ago.
cloaking and remap for it, it gives 1 injector every 8 days, with no accelerators at all. with omega gifts you get more than 4 injectors a month. free omega alts to mine or pi or what ever you want.
You do this on an alpha account?
@@TommyMcGahee I think cloacking can't be trained on alpha
The fact that you actually CAN do this in EVE is disgusting if you ask me.
Another method for omegas only.
No, thats the point of it. You can plex your alt for free with that. You got 2 choices... eighter you play with an 5 mil Alpha account, or do this.. still only have 5 mil but have an omega account as the money you get from skill extraction plays for your Subscribtion. So essentially an free omega account (but without getting more skillpoints, but as an Alpha you wouldnt increase them anyway... so its still an straight upgrade)
@@mctobi2921 the only "upgrade" I see is the extra activities you can do while this farm is training, like PI for example
@@BahamutEx and fly omega ships, better pvp, pve etc anything an omega can do
@@mctobi2921 with the skillpoints you are extracting?
@@BahamutEx yes (thats why i never get why anybody plays in alpha, while there is no need for it)
BLA BLA BLA BLA
Nothing explained
12min wasted of my time