Quasar is good about halfway on the rocket defense maps against the bots. You just spawn to and run it like a fusiler, swapping between the two. It is very fun to just snipe dropships all day.
fun fact if you just hold the charge on a purififer or arc thrower, and possibly safe mode railgun (havent tried this one) you can get a free voiceline
Idk I think it is good as it is because of the damage increase. Can 2 shot devastators. The meta for bots is to bring a supply pack with it. If anything, maybe an extra 2 shots per magazine.
@@Ensenoman8strong but it needs another ammo bandoleer regardless. Even when you bring supply pack the GL only having 2 reloads eats up more supply than the HMG
@uncleulysses2328 I can understand that position, but I also don't want to put it in a category where AH devs start thinking it may need a nerf. That's why I'm a bit careful about buffs. I always run with a supply pack with it, but now I don't have to bring an Orbital Barrage or Orbital Gas Strike. It's only two issues are Gunships and sometimes Cannon Towers.
The "I have bad aim but I still wanna be effective" tier: flamethrower + incendiary breaker + grenade pistol + stun grenade + supply backpack + orbital railcannon strike + 110mm rocket pods everything you have is aoe or follows enemies around so you dont need to have good aim. If you miss half your orbital precision strikes and 500kg on your bile titans, this is your new favourite build.
That is totally great vision. My version woulb be: plasma punisher, nade pistol, whatever grenades, Spear, autocannon sentry, rocket sentry and mortar 😂
Can also choose to run the Blitzer instead of IBreaker, it literally has aimbot. Plus, it's even in the same warbond as stun grenades so if you're relatively new(which may explain the bad aim) you only have to get one premium warbond for it.
@@dominickciccarelli5972 Yeah you would replace the flamethrower with an hmg/grenade launcher/commando now, but the build is not what it once was. Maybe scorcher for charger butts and a stalwart.
Plasma Punisher is my favorite gun. The more I use it, the more I love it. Just somethin' about being able to arc shots anywhere over your buddy's heads, feels good
Honestly, for me is best in slot as a solo against bots. Dominator has trouble against waves of troopers (without peak physique) and more importantly striders. Scorcher is good, but it doesn't stagger. Plasma punisher does it all, even if a bit more slowly. And allows you to shoot from cover. And -more importantly- trivializes troopers on those MG and cannon emplacements that hit like trucks on steroids.
Basically a replacement for the Slugger for me, minus the emphasis on precision. It knocks bigger bots around like crazy with the added bonus of splashing Strider pilots and clearing clumped groups of enemies easily, hits enemies hidden behind cover too and can handle heavier units if you're desperate. Does high damage too but it doesn't have the sluggish ergonomics and lack of ad clear the Dominator has. Generally a good pick for bugs too, has everything you'd want.
I used to main arc thrower against the bugs in helldive difficulty. I had a lot of 0 death missions with this build. My build is as follows: Light scout armor Eruptor, redeemer (specifically just for dealing with stalkers that get too close), stuns 500kg or precision strike, EATs or commando, laser rover, and the arc thrower. When they added the behemoths, this build became less viable. However, your main strategy is to run and gun. Eruptor is your best friend as your main strategy is to take out all the bug holes WITHOUT GOING INTO THE NEST. Going into the nest activates the bug holes to start spawning enemies. Hunters are your priority no matter what, because the other enemies that will inevitably end up behind the hunters will be taken out by the chain lightning effect anyways. Use your redeemer on any hunters that get within jumping range. Also Bonus tip: bile titans are the perfect pylons for your arc thrower. (Also, if a bile titan looks to be at low health, then take a few shots with your arc thrower, it may be enough to finish it off.)
Archthrower with blitzer/incendiary breaker and incendiary grenade/stun grenade is my favorite loadout for bugs. Pair that with Lazer dog, orbital railgun and eagle airstrike/500kg. I really don't get the archthrower hate, I frequently hold off bug breaches alone on helldive difficulty - you can hold the line insanely well if you prioritize targets.
The railgun is bad at everything. I’m blown away by these videos showing how “strong” the weapon is, when it’s just a guy running around with an empty supply pack, doing little more than killing Devastators (since it sucks at killing just about everything else). I’ve also seen people take three shots to bring down a Berserker.
Here's a random railgun game from a stream. Like I said in the vid, it's more of a squad build, but it is not as bad as it used to be ruclips.net/video/xAzR3yoMl-g/видео.html This is one of my favorite loadouts for bugs rn and I often pull it out at some point if we're fighting bugs. Hit notifications and come to the streams and you'll see more gameplay
If someone is taking 3 shots to kill a Berserker that's a massive skill issue, the Railgun is a reliable one tap against Berserkers if the player knows what he is doing It's not really a bot weapon but the high armour penetration makes it pretty useful for bugs, although I still prefer the GL by far
Railgun is my go to on everything, at least if I have an actual squad. Idk why people never mention it, but fully charged it can oneshot hulk heads. It's fast, high ammo, mobile, leaves backpack open. Seems pretty great to me
@@DoctorWhoBlue High ammo? It has the worst ammo pool in the game. Even this video pushes a supply pack. The Hulk eyeball kill isn’t impressive since the AMR, HMG, LC, and AC can all kill Hulks by shooting the eye as well (and the multiple shots it may take can actually be finished quicker than one safe Railgun shot). And all need to expend a smaller amount of their ammo pool than the railgun to kill a Hulk. All of these other weapons can also kill Devastators and Berserkers very well too… yet they can also easily kill gunships, something the Railgun is terrible at. Edit: by the way, the Railgun can kill Hulks with a safe shot through the eye, not a fully charged unsafe shot.
I've been having a lot of fun using the spear against bugs recently. My favorite loadout is as follows : - Light armor with Engineering kit - Incendiary Breaker, Grenade pistol and stun grenades - Spear, gatling sentry, AC sentry and Eagle airstrike Basically you can support your whole team to help them dealing with bug breaches more efficiently using your sentries. You can delete any charger or Bile titan from afar and if you miss slightly, the AC sentry is here to finish them off in seconds. The eagle airstrike can do that too as well as dealing with hords when your sentries are on cooldown, or clear bug nests with ease. If you pair that with a flamethrower and grenade launcher users in your team, you can pretty much deal with any situation. I've regularly used this loadout in Helldive, and it's the most consistant one to get me perfect missions with zero death most of the time, one death at worst.
As an arc thrower enjoyer, it's a lot like your Laser Max group build. Get your buddies to wear the electrical conduit armor and rock a loadout of arc throwers and blitzers with anti-tank stratagems. I call it Ghostbustin because you look like 4 Ghostbusters hitting bile titans with the arc thrower. You even kill them decently fast because the arc thrower does good sustained dps.
I've found myself running plasma punisher with grenade pistol and incendiary grenade with a trio of fully upgraded sentries; rocket, gatling and autocannon. My support weapon is the commando. With well placed sentries and the ability to take out even the biggest enemies with commando I can fill in the gaps of any mission with randoms. If I feel spicy I replace the sentries with fully upgraded barrages and an eagle or precision strike. I play bots only. Edit: Didn't think I would start the day watching you shave your chest hair for science. Glad you didn't take it further and liberate your 🏀 🏀 😂
@@thiccfila It is! Now if I want to go Rambo style my stratagems are Heavy machine gun/supply pack/your choice of eagles/scorcher or Jar and impact grenades with grenade pistol.
The HMG pairs really well with the Devastator armor and Eruptor versus bots. The fortified perk allows you to burst fire on the highest RPM for insane DPS, with relative accuracy when crouched.
In the specific case of autocannon/rocket pods to take down BTs, this is superior in practice when balancing time to kill and ease of shot vs something like banging it head on with a 500kg. An expert who has it timed may prefer the 500kg someone less tuned will find it easier to take them down with rocket pod/explosives first. It's def better than two quasar shots
Arc thrower main here. The arc thrower is a top-tier weapon against both small and medium bugs, capable of holding entire bug breaches on its own. I definitively cannot understand why so many people say "choose blitzer instead". The arc thrower dominates the battlefield. The blitzer is a fun weapon, but easily overwhelmed. The arc thrower is weak against behemoth chargers or bile titans. Build your loadout to compensate for this weakness. My best arc thrower build was medium (or even heavy) armor with explosion resistance (to counter bile spewers), 500kg + OPS + laser drone + eruptor. Lots of fun, very strong, good all-rounder build. It is quite easy to get lost near a bug breach and realizes that all other players have advanced, though. And it needs trigger discipline such that you hold fire when teammates are in the 120 degree cone in front of you.
Totally agree! 960 kills with it last night on difficulty 9 on a bile spewer planet. It could use either a range buff or ROF buff (or just fix the arcs getting blocked by dead bodies) but still works for me right now.
I agree with you that the Arc Thrower is better than the Blitzer. But probably people say that because of the build itself, not just Blitzer x Arc Thrower. I used to play with the Arc Thrower for weeks after the Railgun first nerf, it was awesome vs bugs. After the range and rate of fire nerf, it is not fun to use and worse. I don't imagine a scenario that I would choose the Arc rather than other support weapons.
quasar, jump pack, precision, and gatling/380 is one of my faves. the jump pack is just so much fun and it pairs well with the quasar since it can charge mid air
The arc thrower build I typically run is air strike, 500 kg, and laser buddy. The guaranteed stagger/kill against all bugs smaller than chargers is VERY nice, and the slow against chargers is quite effective. Against acid spewers, the stagger will nearly entirely prevent them from attacking. It’s important to remember when using the arc thrower that the damage is still localized, and you need to hit the same place in order to use it effectively, and it can even break armor. I haven’t settled on which grenade to bring, but I believe that something like the normal breaker and the nade pistol cover the weaknesses of the arc thrower and work well with how the arc thrower is basically a primary weapon due to its infinite ammo. If you do run the arc thrower, use it against chargers and save your strats for biles and particularly threatening swarms. If you get used to main-gunning the arc thrower, you’ll severely lessen your supply consumption, especially if you run medic armor.
You might wanna mention somewhere in the title or description that this is just about the bugs! Awesome tier list, I love seeing your thoughts on builds around each weapon.
With the blitzer getting some love in this video, I want to point out that it can finish off chargers. Specifically if the front leg armor is blown off, if you go first person you can get the blitzer to arc to the leg and it will deal damage.
See tier lists are fun but I love how you offered build recommendations to go with the support weapons. I think catering a loadout around a support weapon is a great approach to a match. And having multiple ways to play the game sure keeps it fresh for me
Very informative and helpful. I tried the blitzer for the first time after seeing this video and I love it ! Hoping to see the same video for the bots. Keep up the good work !
AMR struggles with Chargers and has a higher skill ceiling than most but I find it to be one of the best for everything below that, especially when you get really good at no scope shots. Broods, Stalkers, Guards and Spewers can all die in one hit and it performs even better in group dives when the medium sized bugs are in super high number on hell dives. Lets my team focus down whatever their loadouts are best suited for. Far more maneuverable than the auto-cannon while being faster to reload, doesn't require you to stop to reload or take up a backpack slot. Bring the Incendiary Breaker for fluff, grenade pistol for bug holes and your choice of nade (impact for me ). After that you can bring an extra stratagem, backpack/shields or support weapon to complement your loadout for a given mission. Recently I've been running commandos that I can unload right away into an OBJs and Chargers/Titans whenever its needed.
I struggle to think of a reason why I would take the AMR over the GL for bugs when you put it like that. All those enemies the AMR smokes the GL also kills easily while having significant explosive damage and radius, making it also excellent for destroying massive bug groups. The GL is also arguably much better against Chargers than the AMR due to much higher damage and the ability to bounce grenades under the Chargers.
The napalm strike is great on bug breaches, especially when you pair it with stratagems like the gas strikes, gatling barrage and various sentries. I use it on a lot with my builds and get 50, sometimes up to 100 kills on breaches.
Yeah, I find the lack of a mention odd. I find Napalm strike to be much more useful as a mob clear to the clusters (and slightly less likely to kill teammates lol)
For the airburst launcher, a loadout I use is the dominator, the peacemaker (it’s reliable for light enemies), thermites, OPS, 380, and walking barrages. If orbital scatter is in effect change only the OPS to equivalent tank killer. This build provides an unholy amount of explosive coverage, while retaining some flexibility against medium and heavy armor threats.
Great content as always. I love thematic builds, so Blitzer and Flamethrower is the perfect bug exterminator. On your Quasar build, I used to use the Jumppack instead. Gets out when bugs get to close. Also can charge up Quasar while jumping. Once you opened my eyes to RR I haven't touched Quasar
Arc Thrower is definitely underrated. The biggest mistake the user can make is not knowing when to bail, reposition and rely on other tank busting stratagems when the chargers/titans come out to play. Arc Thrower just annihilates both trash mobs and medium enemies so effortlessly once you are positioned well. In my opinion, it pairs best with the personal shield & stun grenades so you get a chance to bail out if you get ambushed while you were focused elsewhere. Laser rover and jump pack are not bad choices either but none of them give you as good of a chance to escape like the shield does (since it prevents ragdolling or slowing)
I get what you're saying, the arc thrower is a good weapon but I class it as more of a primary than a support. The blitzer not needing charge up to fire makes it better at running backwards. Blitzer, flamethrower, any pack you want, grenade pistol and whatever grenade you prefer (stuns for this build for me), precision strike and strafing run. If I'm using the car thrower I'd maybe swap the primary out for a dominator, pummeler, sickle or incendiary breaker until that new flamethrower primary comes out.
Blitzer + flamethrower + laser drone + 500kg + Orbital precision strike kills everything the bugs throw at you. On a bug breach, shoot the flames on the ground and keep knocking them back into the fire with the blitzers knockback\stun effect. Then you have basically 3 bombs for titans with 500kg and OPS which reloads fairly quickly. Only struggles a bit with armored spewers. They will take a little longer to kill unless you hit with grenades or grenade pistol. Also I love the blitzer stops mobs from rushing you and giving you some breathing room to evade attacks.
I actually love running the arc thrower with the blitzer and jump pack. It is an insanely good anti-hunter weapon, you just gotta make sure your line of sight is open. Pair it witth the blitzer for an effective 'get the fuck off me' weapon that also never needs reloading and the jump pack for getting away fast, and it's a very useful hit and run playstyle. It can also effectively deal with goob spewers too if you know how to dance around them.
Breaker incendiary+grenade pistol+shield pack+rail gun is what I use to solo lvl 9 bug missions. Take whatever eagle you want + orbital precision strike. The backpack lets you tank some massive damage from sneaky stalkers or bile spewers. Precision strike is low cool down and will 1 shot titans. Railgun is 3 headshots on charger for full kill.
I watch all your HD2 videos and this video is probably the best video regarding builds you ever done! Congrats! Very helpful for everyone (new and veteran players).
I took a break from Helldivers and I’m looking to jump back in. This is a great video thank you so much. If you ever do a part 2 I think it would be dope if you also added what armor you use in the build
Yall need to try this loadout its my favorite for bugs, really try it, great for support and kills. *Arc blitzer, grenade pistol, flamethrower, laser gaurd dog, gas strike, napalm air strike.* Its great. Armor and grenades are flexible but i find myself using medic and stun grenades, thks absolutely melts everything but bial titans so yeah, use this and you WILL have the highest kills by the end. Great survivability too.
Swap gas strike for precision strike or napalm for 500kg and you can deal with some bile titans at least. Obviously the double DOT from gas and napalm is badass but you don't really need that if you're running flamethrower and blitzer anyway
Precision strike 500 kg is v strong I use that when I run hmg supply pack, and yeah I'm not soloing so hopefully the team can handle a BT while I kill everything else, all those mob kills are great for supporting the team when they decide to run and panic.
The build I am using vs Bugs for months unchanged is: Sickle, Nade Pistol, Stun Light Armor with 6 nades Flame Thrower + Shield Backpack 500kg + Napalm This one works very well in every mission type, even with bile spewers (the shield backpack makes it decent to tank the acid). I like to split from the team a lot to finish the missions faster and this build kills every possible enemy fast. The one and only downside is not having the comfort of killing Spore Spewers and Shrieker Nests from distance, but it does not bother me anymore. I just rush these objectives and 500kg/Hellbomb them.
@@nurgle333 The 500kg is more than enough for bile titans and objectives. The Fire damage of the napalm over bug breaches is insane good to delete the light armor bugs. In the past, I was using the cluster instead, but after they fixed the fire dot damage, Napalm is king. Specially because it have smaller AoE than the Cluster, this is safer to use and not kill team mates. Cluster AoE is massive.
@@nurgle333 I keep track of both and rearm manually when necessary. Less then 2 min to rearm. I can survive 2 min without them. Generally my priority is to rearm when the 2 500kg are used, even if there are still 3 napalms available. Because it is the only way to kill bile titans with this loadout. But since there are other 3 players in the game, I don't need to kill all Titans by my own every game.
I used to run the arc thrower with EAT, shield generator pack, and a random stratagem such as rocket pods or the patriot exosuit (supply loadout), but after the changes the arc thrower feels like it needs to be paired with the guard dog rover. For my primary, despite of it being nerfed, I still use the eruptor for the niche of destroying bug holes and fabricators. I just started playing the game again after the recent update, so I don't know if I would go back to running as many as 3 different supply stratagems just to pair with the arc thrower, but maybe it could be one of the few methods to make it work?
For the Commando, I run Supply Pack Commando Cluster airburst, with the fire shotty and GP. Such a fun loadout just run and gun with the fire shotty and the cluster is so satisfying.
Typical go to bug loadout Sickle (tenderizer on hot planets) Senator Impact grenade Air strike Precision orbital Gas strike Spear It's a nice all around support build I find myself being able to help out in every situation
I have been running the auto cannon for bugs for quite a while now because it’s just so versatile. I only pull out the incen breaker for all the small chaff and shriekers because other than bile titans the ac can take care of everything.
The arc thrower isn't made for heavy enemies. Although it can get through them eventually, it is made to clear and stagger. I usually run Eruptor, redeemer, stuns, arc thrower, shield pack, orbital laser, and 500.
the pocket cluster is much better against bots. It is the top tier for bot drop denial, because only light bots can call them in. Shoot a patrol or a point of interest, or even a light base just right, and there are no light bots left to call in reinforcements. But if you leave a medium bug alive, it can call in reinforcements just fine. Plus, with the longer range of bot fights, you can fire the the thing with less risk. And bot weakpoints can be hit with the airburst, it can kill turrets, tanks, and hulks (it isn't great against them, but it is solid if you can get behind them), but chargers and bile titans just don't care as much. I've heard it is possible to get enough of the explosions to hit their soft parts to kill them, but I haven't been able to pull it off. The airburst is also one of the better weapons for taking out bot fabricators from odd angles. Obviously the commando is king there, followed by the spear, but the airburst can hit the vents on a fabricator from behind and reasonably reliably land a sub-munition close enough to the vents to blow up the building. But against bug holes, it is surprisingly bad at taking out multiples, so with its long reload it isn't good for it, and with bugs jumping you all the time, it isn't reliably usable.
I use Commissar Kai's EAT and Commando loadout. My support weapons have so much up time I literally tell my squad if you need the EAT or Commando pick it up. That and as long as I'm tactical with how I use them, I can react to anything that needs an explosion of democracy in their face.
So far the bug build that gives me enough stopping power to lone wolf on diff 8 and lower (haven't tested on Helldive yet) is: -Pummeler (fuck them Stalkers, plus I can yoink and be usefull with the many 'carry item towards the launch site thing') -Dagger (infinite ammo and enough stopping power to clear the small chaff enemies) -Stun grenades -Autocannon (bugholes are no match for me) -Orbital Railcannon and Precision (to take down chargers and BTs) -gatling sentry to draw aggro and clear house as you reload/focus objectives
I suggest airburst rocket laucher, mortar sent, Auto sent, 380mm barrage you need close up chaff clearers for airburst to work well or you need to double down on long range chaff clearing to they don't get there in the first place
airburst is a good alternative to the ac for bots. kills tanks, kills chaff, kills turrets, kills hulks, it can blow up fabricators and airships. the only thing it struggles against is the side objectives like mortars and AA. and since its so good for crowd control, it lets you bring more stratagems for base destruction and single target. definitely not the best for bugs.
I recommend running the hmg with the crossbow and pocket shotty instead. The faster fire rate makes it amazing for killing mediums and closing spawners. Just reload at any time there's no enemies
I honestly play the laser max a lot, it’s fun and I have found it to kinda work. Switching between the sickle and the cannon let’s you kill all trash from pretty far away.
With the HMG, I like to bring the Sickle. The Sickle has a high dps, and if you are willing to run it dry, has one of the highest sustained DPS of the AR style weapons. The only draw back is, it's only got 3 spare mags. But with the HMG or grenade launcher, you're always popping resupplies anyway, so spray away and don't fear the reload! It has a lot of horde clear, and you can quickly swap to the HMG for armored targets like hive guards or Stalkers, or Spewers.
I would bring Adjudicator since it has good dps too and medium armor pen, and if u leave at least 1 bullet in chamber it has a really fast reload too. Since you resupply, you get all 8 mags anyway out of 1 resupply, so you can spam and reload always
I feel like the arc thrower was rated unfairly definitely because of the build you went with it. I got the game right after the big railgun nerf and have been an arc thrower main ever since I got it. My most used build is 500KG, Eagle airstrike, arc thrower, and shield backpack. For weapons I use the sickle, grenade pistol, and stuns. This build is my go to bugs build. I play quick play a bunch and typically go by myself for side objectives and points of interest. I rarely die and leave with 15-20 samples per game when in a squad of 2-4 Edit: I also only use light armor with the fortified perk for big bug missions
I use the Arc a lot on 7 and above since I focus on a croud control type and the only down side is the inconsistency or missfires it does... for the rest i pretty much survive everything and deal with Titans and Behemoths very easily
Quasar treades raw power of other rocket support weapons for convenience. It isn't as powerful as recoilless and spear but it is much better in terms of not eating into supply demands of your team and leaving your backpack free. I really like to take it if I intend to go off on my own and roam the map since I don't have to warry about running out of anti tank or hogging entire resupply for myself. I like the blitzer+quasar+jump pack it's so much fun
The Arc Thrower mechanically is my favorite weapon. I think in the last 2 months, I've taken it on 5 missions. The thing has been in a sad state ever since they buffed hulk stagger resist.
Here's an arc-thrower loadout that I have slowly evolved since launch and frequently get top kills with. Armor: FS-37 Ravager (light engineering kit/'grenadier' armor) Primary: Incen Breaker Secondary: Grenade Pistol Grenade: Stuns Stratagems: 500kg Railcannon Shield Pack Arc-Thrower You can do anything with this loadout. There is absolutely a barrier to entry with it, because as has been in the known issues section in all of the patch notes pretty much since launch, the bolts are inconsistent and misfire based on terrain, enemy corpses, your horoscope for that day, et cetera. If you can get a grasp on the insanity that goes into these misfires and develop and instinct to avoid them, you will shred. The grenade armor makes it so I'm never wanting for stuns to use against behemoths. I employ the stun dive tech you talk about with the incen breaker. If things are ever too hectic for that, a good railcannon can kill the troublesome behemoth and lighten the load. The only place where I don't take this loadout is the small map Eradicate missions. I take a flamethrower and B-08 armor to those. Everything else I keep the same. These loadouts are so good I get bored of the game using them. Looking forward to testing them on super helldive.
Personally, using Combos to kill BT's and other big enemies is a bad idea. The more steps to killing an enemy, the more parts where it can go wrong Bug example: You get staggered by a hunter and miss your Recoilless/Quasar/Other AT weapon, meaning you either have to fall back on stratagems you were saving for something else or take the time to reload/wait for Quasar/get another EAT, overall taking more time to kill the Bile Titan Bot example: You try to run under a Factory Strider to shoot the doors, but a Rocket Devastator snipes you from 150 meters away (complete BS). 2 things will either happen. 1. You live but the Strider is now alerted to you, and you have to take cover. 2. You can't get up in time to get to cover and you get shredded by the Gatlings. On either front, time is key, and taking down a Heavy enemy with swiftness can mean life or death. One unlucky hunter could mean a bug breach with a hundred more hunters and even more Bile Titans. A stray rocket could mean the skies get covered in dropships and the only things you can see are lasers and metal. Point is, combo'ing a Heavy enemy with multiple weapons/stratagems is more likely to fall apart and end in a worse situation. If you can make it work and take down Bile Titans and Striders quickly, then by all means go for it. But I personally believe taking a single stratagem that can do hefty damage, if not outright one shot it is a much better decision than relying on a combo. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
I'm definitely going to try that railgun build on bugs next time I'm there, but probably with the Sickle. I've been using Medium padded armor a lot lately with non-machine guns on the bot front, and if you can get both the Stamina Booster San Vitality booster on the same team, it has both a ton of durability and a ton of mobility. On the Quazar, one interesting build Is started running was what I call a 'force recon' build. Medium Scout armor, Arc Blitzed, Grenade Pistol, Stun Grenades, Quasar, 500kg bomb, Orbital Gatling, 380mm barrage. You're role is more about finding things and taking care of problems like Shrieker or Stalker nest early. Mostly by using the scout passive to spot things on the mini map and dropping drive-by strats on them. And here the Wisest works better than the other anti-armor because it is very mobile. You can go roam and take those snap-shots at Bile Titans without stopping to reload. It was fun.
These are all great builds that have really given my games a different look than what I usually do. Was pleasantly surprised at how effective and fun some of these weapons are that I haven’t used in ages. I respect the view on the airburst but personally, once you get the hang of being patient and picking your moments it’s great to just lob a rocket and delete 10-20 bugs, I run it with the eagle cluster often and run up huge kills. That being said, they absolutely need to give it a two stage reload you can cancel, there’s no reason for it not to and that reload time is blasphemous.
The AMR build is nearly what I use for both bugs and bots. I don’t use the jetpack, and go with Rover/Shield, I just don’t think the JP gets you far enough fast enough to be effective.
Airburst Dominator or Adjudicator Grenade Pistol Stun Grenades Orbital or Eagle Airstrike Rocket Sentry Autocannon Sentry I have a lot of fun with this build on both fronts and you can take down almost everything in the game right now by using this combo of tools It’s a meme weapon to most people but the build is versatile and fun I also have every warbond which I feel most people don’t and that’s a lot for Airburst being viable
Guys don't bash me for this, but I really think the laser cannon is pretty good against bugs. Medium armor penetration. Can take down bile spewers can take down. Hive Guards can take down brood commanders, if you run on all laser build, but like you said, it all depends on what other stratagmes your team is bringing. If you bring an all laser build, it does do a decent job with mob control, but you do need to have a good team around you
The only thing, that killing an arc thrower, is a bug with empty discharge. If AH fix this bug and make an arc to shoot reliably this will be enough. Even right now I'm using an arc thrower against bugs almost in 100% of missions: unlimited ammo, deletion of 3-4 small bugs, reliable stun of medium bugs, 6 shots kill of simple charger. So to cover my weaknes against BT and beheemots I'm using 500 Kg, P-strike (if no scatter debuff) and commando. P-strike can be exchanged to Gatling barrage. As a primary I'm usualy taking crossbow or eraptor (for unlimited bughole deletion), senator and stun grenades or i-shotgun + grenade pistol. I'm experianced enough to not fry my teammates too often, so most of the time bugs are not a problem. But no amount of expirience or skill can compensate 4-5 empty shots one after another. After such failure bugs simply overran you and this is gg.)
bug builds, but the thumbnail is bots? this has caused irreversible damage to me, I feel deceived. lied to, even. I'll never ever recover from this. I don't think I'll ever trust anyone again
Airburst needs EMS if you try to use it on bugs or you will have a terrible time lol. Bring orbital EMS, EMS sentry, stuns, 500 for titans (or OPS but 500kg gives 3) nade pistol and breaker incendiary. Toss ems on the breach take a step back and lob rockets as the bugs pile in one spot. Chargers die to the airburst very fast if you shoot near the bum too. Also since the reload is so garbage you can take that time to watch your surroundings and make sure nothing is too close before you lob the next cluster. EMS also stops bugs from even being able to sneak up especially with the mortar
Proximity fuse for the airburst isn't really a problem and removing it would remove alot of odd frontal oneshots like for hulks and tanks ( I'm probably forgetting some )
I run the autocannon with stun grenades, incendiary breaker, pocket shotty, EAT, orbital railcannon strike, Eagle rocket pods. I must kill all of the bugs.
I use Lazer cannon with randoms but I dont do that loadout with everyone running it I use it with randoms i dont really have an issue with it unless its a heat planet then scape lazers.
On bugs if I’m bringing the hmg I’ll take the adjudicator with it because they both need the supply pack so why not take them together and double down on the bullet hoses
My bot loadout, I want some tuber to try and post, is medium scout(I get hit too often, light would be more ideal), Plasma Punisher, Redeemer, Impact, AMR, EMS turret, mortar turret, rocket turret. You are the cover fire master. My bug loadout I have recently found is Breaker, reedemer(i love it), stun, spear, 120, 380, cluster. Big boy killer
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"Thanks for not saying 'quasar cannon is trash tier' in front of my parents. I know that took a lot of restraint."
Robots will smash your parents
Quasar is good about halfway on the rocket defense maps against the bots. You just spawn to and run it like a fusiler, swapping between the two. It is very fun to just snipe dropships all day.
"I put my Stalwart up to max so I can brrrrrrr out as many voicelines per second" lmao
fun fact if you just hold the charge on a purififer or arc thrower, and possibly safe mode railgun (havent tried this one) you can get a free voiceline
@@mahks-pectith3179 works on the blitzer too
If you bring a Stalwart and you haven't fired at least 2,000 rounds of ammunition by the end of the mission, you're doing it wrong.
I may have done that, it was a backup option for testing something else on mobs, lol.
Grenade launcher needs 3 spare mags, not the 2 it has now.
Idk I think it is good as it is because of the damage increase. Can 2 shot devastators. The meta for bots is to bring a supply pack with it.
If anything, maybe an extra 2 shots per magazine.
@@Ensenoman8strong but it needs another ammo bandoleer regardless. Even when you bring supply pack the GL only having 2 reloads eats up more supply than the HMG
Fr bro@@uncleulysses2328
Eh one more is fine
@uncleulysses2328 I can understand that position, but I also don't want to put it in a category where AH devs start thinking it may need a nerf. That's why I'm a bit careful about buffs.
I always run with a supply pack with it, but now I don't have to bring an Orbital Barrage or Orbital Gas Strike. It's only two issues are Gunships and sometimes Cannon Towers.
Time to move flamethrower to trash tier 😂
Yup
Crazy
The "I have bad aim but I still wanna be effective" tier:
flamethrower + incendiary breaker + grenade pistol + stun grenade + supply backpack + orbital railcannon strike + 110mm rocket pods
everything you have is aoe or follows enemies around so you dont need to have good aim. If you miss half your orbital precision strikes and 500kg on your bile titans, this is your new favourite build.
That is totally great vision. My version woulb be: plasma punisher, nade pistol, whatever grenades, Spear, autocannon sentry, rocket sentry and mortar 😂
Can also choose to run the Blitzer instead of IBreaker, it literally has aimbot. Plus, it's even in the same warbond as stun grenades so if you're relatively new(which may explain the bad aim) you only have to get one premium warbond for it.
Flamethrower just got nerfed. Can't kill chargers anymore. Fuck
@@dominickciccarelli5972 it can. I have seen videos doing it. Just aim the butt or a bit more specific place in leg. Still viable.
@@dominickciccarelli5972 Yeah you would replace the flamethrower with an hmg/grenade launcher/commando now, but the build is not what it once was. Maybe scorcher for charger butts and a stalwart.
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Plasma Punisher is my favorite gun. The more I use it, the more I love it.
Just somethin' about being able to arc shots anywhere over your buddy's heads, feels good
Plasma punisher is goated.
Indeed.
I feel about the PP the way some people probably feel about their dogs.
Honestly, for me is best in slot as a solo against bots. Dominator has trouble against waves of troopers (without peak physique) and more importantly striders. Scorcher is good, but it doesn't stagger. Plasma punisher does it all, even if a bit more slowly. And allows you to shoot from cover. And -more importantly- trivializes troopers on those MG and cannon emplacements that hit like trucks on steroids.
Basically a replacement for the Slugger for me, minus the emphasis on precision. It knocks bigger bots around like crazy with the added bonus of splashing Strider pilots and clearing clumped groups of enemies easily, hits enemies hidden behind cover too and can handle heavier units if you're desperate. Does high damage too but it doesn't have the sluggish ergonomics and lack of ad clear the Dominator has. Generally a good pick for bugs too, has everything you'd want.
I used to main arc thrower against the bugs in helldive difficulty. I had a lot of 0 death missions with this build. My build is as follows:
Light scout armor
Eruptor, redeemer (specifically just for dealing with stalkers that get too close), stuns
500kg or precision strike, EATs or commando, laser rover, and the arc thrower.
When they added the behemoths, this build became less viable. However, your main strategy is to run and gun. Eruptor is your best friend as your main strategy is to take out all the bug holes WITHOUT GOING INTO THE NEST. Going into the nest activates the bug holes to start spawning enemies.
Hunters are your priority no matter what, because the other enemies that will inevitably end up behind the hunters will be taken out by the chain lightning effect anyways. Use your redeemer on any hunters that get within jumping range.
Also Bonus tip: bile titans are the perfect pylons for your arc thrower. (Also, if a bile titan looks to be at low health, then take a few shots with your arc thrower, it may be enough to finish it off.)
That is really interesting! I'll try it soon :)
Archthrower with blitzer/incendiary breaker and incendiary grenade/stun grenade is my favorite loadout for bugs.
Pair that with Lazer dog, orbital railgun and eagle airstrike/500kg. I really don't get the archthrower hate, I frequently hold off bug breaches alone on helldive difficulty - you can hold the line insanely well if you prioritize targets.
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This aged like milk. Thank you dev team...
The railgun is bad at everything. I’m blown away by these videos showing how “strong” the weapon is, when it’s just a guy running around with an empty supply pack, doing little more than killing Devastators (since it sucks at killing just about everything else). I’ve also seen people take three shots to bring down a Berserker.
Yep, the railgun is simply terrible and that loadout shown here doesn't really make it any better lol
Here's a random railgun game from a stream. Like I said in the vid, it's more of a squad build, but it is not as bad as it used to be ruclips.net/video/xAzR3yoMl-g/видео.html
This is one of my favorite loadouts for bugs rn and I often pull it out at some point if we're fighting bugs. Hit notifications and come to the streams and you'll see more gameplay
If someone is taking 3 shots to kill a Berserker that's a massive skill issue, the Railgun is a reliable one tap against Berserkers if the player knows what he is doing
It's not really a bot weapon but the high armour penetration makes it pretty useful for bugs, although I still prefer the GL by far
Railgun is my go to on everything, at least if I have an actual squad. Idk why people never mention it, but fully charged it can oneshot hulk heads. It's fast, high ammo, mobile, leaves backpack open. Seems pretty great to me
@@DoctorWhoBlue High ammo? It has the worst ammo pool in the game. Even this video pushes a supply pack. The Hulk eyeball kill isn’t impressive since the AMR, HMG, LC, and AC can all kill Hulks by shooting the eye as well (and the multiple shots it may take can actually be finished quicker than one safe Railgun shot). And all need to expend a smaller amount of their ammo pool than the railgun to kill a Hulk. All of these other weapons can also kill Devastators and Berserkers very well too… yet they can also easily kill gunships, something the Railgun is terrible at.
Edit: by the way, the Railgun can kill Hulks with a safe shot through the eye, not a fully charged unsafe shot.
Impalers tentacles are light pen I believe. Arrowhead shows a diver shooting them with a sickle in the trailer
Flamethrower went from S tier to C tier today. RIP
I've been having a lot of fun using the spear against bugs recently. My favorite loadout is as follows :
- Light armor with Engineering kit
- Incendiary Breaker, Grenade pistol and stun grenades
- Spear, gatling sentry, AC sentry and Eagle airstrike
Basically you can support your whole team to help them dealing with bug breaches more efficiently using your sentries. You can delete any charger or Bile titan from afar and if you miss slightly, the AC sentry is here to finish them off in seconds. The eagle airstrike can do that too as well as dealing with hords when your sentries are on cooldown, or clear bug nests with ease.
If you pair that with a flamethrower and grenade launcher users in your team, you can pretty much deal with any situation. I've regularly used this loadout in Helldive, and it's the most consistant one to get me perfect missions with zero death most of the time, one death at worst.
This is my normal spear and recoilless build. Try hmg emplacement is fun
Step 1: bring Stalwart
Step 2: bring supply pack
Step 3: set Stalwart to freedom mode
Step 4: finish mission with 7000 rounds fired
Step 5: repeat
Man than thumbnail did not age well.... Rip my baby boy the flamethrowmer
o7 for the bug divers
As an arc thrower enjoyer, it's a lot like your Laser Max group build. Get your buddies to wear the electrical conduit armor and rock a loadout of arc throwers and blitzers with anti-tank stratagems.
I call it Ghostbustin because you look like 4 Ghostbusters hitting bile titans with the arc thrower. You even kill them decently fast because the arc thrower does good sustained dps.
I've found myself running plasma punisher with grenade pistol and incendiary grenade with a trio of fully upgraded sentries; rocket, gatling and autocannon. My support weapon is the commando. With well placed sentries and the ability to take out even the biggest enemies with commando I can fill in the gaps of any mission with randoms. If I feel spicy I replace the sentries with fully upgraded barrages and an eagle or precision strike. I play bots only. Edit: Didn't think I would start the day watching you shave your chest hair for science. Glad you didn't take it further and liberate your 🏀 🏀 😂
Dude you stole my loadout 😂
@@nateb7804 Great minds think alike 👍
Lol this sounds fun
@@thiccfila It is! Now if I want to go Rambo style my stratagems are Heavy machine gun/supply pack/your choice of eagles/scorcher or Jar and impact grenades with grenade pistol.
The HMG pairs really well with the Devastator armor and Eruptor versus bots. The fortified perk allows you to burst fire on the highest RPM for insane DPS, with relative accuracy when crouched.
In the specific case of autocannon/rocket pods to take down BTs, this is superior in practice when balancing time to kill and ease of shot vs something like banging it head on with a 500kg. An expert who has it timed may prefer the 500kg someone less tuned will find it easier to take them down with rocket pod/explosives first. It's def better than two quasar shots
Arc thrower main here. The arc thrower is a top-tier weapon against both small and medium bugs, capable of holding entire bug breaches on its own. I definitively cannot understand why so many people say "choose blitzer instead". The arc thrower dominates the battlefield. The blitzer is a fun weapon, but easily overwhelmed.
The arc thrower is weak against behemoth chargers or bile titans. Build your loadout to compensate for this weakness.
My best arc thrower build was medium (or even heavy) armor with explosion resistance (to counter bile spewers), 500kg + OPS + laser drone + eruptor. Lots of fun, very strong, good all-rounder build.
It is quite easy to get lost near a bug breach and realizes that all other players have advanced, though. And it needs trigger discipline such that you hold fire when teammates are in the 120 degree cone in front of you.
I'm right there with you brother. Arc throwers chew through everything but Behemoths and Bile Titans. I love topping the kill numbers.
Blitzer Can do the same thing vs light to medium armored enemies during bug breeches xD
I would rather run spear+commando with the Blitzer
Agree
Totally agree! 960 kills with it last night on difficulty 9 on a bile spewer planet. It could use either a range buff or ROF buff (or just fix the arcs getting blocked by dead bodies) but still works for me right now.
I agree with you that the Arc Thrower is better than the Blitzer. But probably people say that because of the build itself, not just Blitzer x Arc Thrower. I used to play with the Arc Thrower for weeks after the Railgun first nerf, it was awesome vs bugs. After the range and rate of fire nerf, it is not fun to use and worse. I don't imagine a scenario that I would choose the Arc rather than other support weapons.
quasar, jump pack, precision, and gatling/380 is one of my faves. the jump pack is just so much fun and it pairs well with the quasar since it can charge mid air
Recoilless buddy is legendary... If you can get two people running recoilless the reload assist is stupid good
The arc thrower build I typically run is air strike, 500 kg, and laser buddy. The guaranteed stagger/kill against all bugs smaller than chargers is VERY nice, and the slow against chargers is quite effective. Against acid spewers, the stagger will nearly entirely prevent them from attacking. It’s important to remember when using the arc thrower that the damage is still localized, and you need to hit the same place in order to use it effectively, and it can even break armor.
I haven’t settled on which grenade to bring, but I believe that something like the normal breaker and the nade pistol cover the weaknesses of the arc thrower and work well with how the arc thrower is basically a primary weapon due to its infinite ammo. If you do run the arc thrower, use it against chargers and save your strats for biles and particularly threatening swarms. If you get used to main-gunning the arc thrower, you’ll severely lessen your supply consumption, especially if you run medic armor.
Is this only for bugs?
You might wanna mention somewhere in the title or description that this is just about the bugs!
Awesome tier list, I love seeing your thoughts on builds around each weapon.
With the blitzer getting some love in this video, I want to point out that it can finish off chargers. Specifically if the front leg armor is blown off, if you go first person you can get the blitzer to arc to the leg and it will deal damage.
See tier lists are fun but I love how you offered build recommendations to go with the support weapons. I think catering a loadout around a support weapon is a great approach to a match. And having multiple ways to play the game sure keeps it fresh for me
Very informative and helpful. I tried the blitzer for the first time after seeing this video and I love it !
Hoping to see the same video for the bots.
Keep up the good work !
AMR struggles with Chargers and has a higher skill ceiling than most but I find it to be one of the best for everything below that, especially when you get really good at no scope shots. Broods, Stalkers, Guards and Spewers can all die in one hit and it performs even better in group dives when the medium sized bugs are in super high number on hell dives. Lets my team focus down whatever their loadouts are best suited for.
Far more maneuverable than the auto-cannon while being faster to reload, doesn't require you to stop to reload or take up a backpack slot.
Bring the Incendiary Breaker for fluff, grenade pistol for bug holes and your choice of nade (impact for me ). After that you can bring an extra stratagem, backpack/shields or support weapon to complement your loadout for a given mission. Recently I've been running commandos that I can unload right away into an OBJs and Chargers/Titans whenever its needed.
I struggle to think of a reason why I would take the AMR over the GL for bugs when you put it like that.
All those enemies the AMR smokes the GL also kills easily while having significant explosive damage and radius, making it also excellent for destroying massive bug groups. The GL is also arguably much better against Chargers than the AMR due to much higher damage and the ability to bounce grenades under the Chargers.
@@dunadan7136 Aye GL is also a really solid choice, also another underused weapon for bugs.
I hadn't considered using the pummeler+supply pack to balance out the shortcomings of the Railgun, may have to give that a try. Cool vid.
The napalm strike is great on bug breaches, especially when you pair it with stratagems like the gas strikes, gatling barrage and various sentries. I use it on a lot with my builds and get 50, sometimes up to 100 kills on breaches.
Yeah, I find the lack of a mention odd. I find Napalm strike to be much more useful as a mob clear to the clusters (and slightly less likely to kill teammates lol)
For the airburst launcher, a loadout I use is the dominator, the peacemaker (it’s reliable for light enemies), thermites, OPS, 380, and walking barrages. If orbital scatter is in effect change only the OPS to equivalent tank killer.
This build provides an unholy amount of explosive coverage, while retaining some flexibility against medium and heavy armor threats.
Great content as always. I love thematic builds, so Blitzer and Flamethrower is the perfect bug exterminator. On your Quasar build, I used to use the Jumppack instead. Gets out when bugs get to close. Also can charge up Quasar while jumping. Once you opened my eyes to RR I haven't touched Quasar
Arc Thrower is definitely underrated. The biggest mistake the user can make is not knowing when to bail, reposition and rely on other tank busting stratagems when the chargers/titans come out to play. Arc Thrower just annihilates both trash mobs and medium enemies so effortlessly once you are positioned well.
In my opinion, it pairs best with the personal shield & stun grenades so you get a chance to bail out if you get ambushed while you were focused elsewhere. Laser rover and jump pack are not bad choices either but none of them give you as good of a chance to escape like the shield does (since it prevents ragdolling or slowing)
I get what you're saying, the arc thrower is a good weapon but I class it as more of a primary than a support. The blitzer not needing charge up to fire makes it better at running backwards.
Blitzer, flamethrower, any pack you want, grenade pistol and whatever grenade you prefer (stuns for this build for me), precision strike and strafing run. If I'm using the car thrower I'd maybe swap the primary out for a dominator, pummeler, sickle or incendiary breaker until that new flamethrower primary comes out.
Blitzer + flamethrower + laser drone + 500kg + Orbital precision strike kills everything the bugs throw at you. On a bug breach, shoot the flames on the ground and keep knocking them back into the fire with the blitzers knockback\stun effect. Then you have basically 3 bombs for titans with 500kg and OPS which reloads fairly quickly. Only struggles a bit with armored spewers. They will take a little longer to kill unless you hit with grenades or grenade pistol. Also I love the blitzer stops mobs from rushing you and giving you some breathing room to evade attacks.
I actually love running the arc thrower with the blitzer and jump pack. It is an insanely good anti-hunter weapon, you just gotta make sure your line of sight is open. Pair it witth the blitzer for an effective 'get the fuck off me' weapon that also never needs reloading and the jump pack for getting away fast, and it's a very useful hit and run playstyle. It can also effectively deal with goob spewers too if you know how to dance around them.
Breaker incendiary+grenade pistol+shield pack+rail gun is what I use to solo lvl 9 bug missions. Take whatever eagle you want + orbital precision strike.
The backpack lets you tank some massive damage from sneaky stalkers or bile spewers.
Precision strike is low cool down and will 1 shot titans.
Railgun is 3 headshots on charger for full kill.
Well now that the flamethrower is useless, I can’t do anything with it anymore.
I watch all your HD2 videos and this video is probably the best video regarding builds you ever done! Congrats! Very helpful for everyone (new and veteran players).
I took a break from Helldivers and I’m looking to jump back in. This is a great video thank you so much.
If you ever do a part 2 I think it would be dope if you also added what armor you use in the build
Yall need to try this loadout its my favorite for bugs, really try it, great for support and kills. *Arc blitzer, grenade pistol, flamethrower, laser gaurd dog, gas strike, napalm air strike.* Its great. Armor and grenades are flexible but i find myself using medic and stun grenades, thks absolutely melts everything but bial titans so yeah, use this and you WILL have the highest kills by the end. Great survivability too.
Swap gas strike for precision strike or napalm for 500kg and you can deal with some bile titans at least. Obviously the double DOT from gas and napalm is badass but you don't really need that if you're running flamethrower and blitzer anyway
Precision strike 500 kg is v strong I use that when I run hmg supply pack, and yeah I'm not soloing so hopefully the team can handle a BT while I kill everything else, all those mob kills are great for supporting the team when they decide to run and panic.
The build I am using vs Bugs for months unchanged is:
Sickle, Nade Pistol, Stun
Light Armor with 6 nades
Flame Thrower + Shield Backpack
500kg + Napalm
This one works very well in every mission type, even with bile spewers (the shield backpack makes it decent to tank the acid).
I like to split from the team a lot to finish the missions faster and this build kills every possible enemy fast.
The one and only downside is not having the comfort of killing Spore Spewers and Shrieker Nests from distance, but it does not bother me anymore. I just rush these objectives and 500kg/Hellbomb them.
Swap that napalm for rail cannon or precision strike or laser
@@nurgle333 The 500kg is more than enough for bile titans and objectives. The Fire damage of the napalm over bug breaches is insane good to delete the light armor bugs. In the past, I was using the cluster instead, but after they fixed the fire dot damage, Napalm is king. Specially because it have smaller AoE than the Cluster, this is safer to use and not kill team mates. Cluster AoE is massive.
@@KerriganTyranid eagle airstrikes share the cool down though
@@nurgle333 I keep track of both and rearm manually when necessary. Less then 2 min to rearm. I can survive 2 min without them. Generally my priority is to rearm when the 2 500kg are used, even if there are still 3 napalms available. Because it is the only way to kill bile titans with this loadout. But since there are other 3 players in the game, I don't need to kill all Titans by my own every game.
@@KerriganTyranid I just got the 25% fire damage upgrade. It's fun and dangerous.
I really like the laser maxing idea - total fun
Air Burst Rocket Launcher pairs incredibly well with either the Gas Orbital or the Gatling Orbital. Doesn’t hurt to have explosive resistance as well.
I used to run the arc thrower with EAT, shield generator pack, and a random stratagem such as rocket pods or the patriot exosuit (supply loadout), but after the changes the arc thrower feels like it needs to be paired with the guard dog rover. For my primary, despite of it being nerfed, I still use the eruptor for the niche of destroying bug holes and fabricators. I just started playing the game again after the recent update, so I don't know if I would go back to running as many as 3 different supply stratagems just to pair with the arc thrower, but maybe it could be one of the few methods to make it work?
For the Commando, I run Supply Pack Commando Cluster airburst, with the fire shotty and GP. Such a fun loadout just run and gun with the fire shotty and the cluster is so satisfying.
Rocket pods to dismantle bile titan armor and autocannon for the flesh ( or rocket pod again). Autocannon is too easy
The flamethrower didn't age well
Typical go to bug loadout
Sickle (tenderizer on hot planets)
Senator
Impact grenade
Air strike
Precision orbital
Gas strike
Spear
It's a nice all around support build I find myself being able to help out in every situation
My baby the arc thrower is just going through something right now she'll be back better than ever
I have been running the auto cannon for bugs for quite a while now because it’s just so versatile. I only pull out the incen breaker for all the small chaff and shriekers because other than bile titans the ac can take care of everything.
The arc thrower isn't made for heavy enemies. Although it can get through them eventually, it is made to clear and stagger. I usually run Eruptor, redeemer, stuns, arc thrower, shield pack, orbital laser, and 500.
the pocket cluster is much better against bots. It is the top tier for bot drop denial, because only light bots can call them in. Shoot a patrol or a point of interest, or even a light base just right, and there are no light bots left to call in reinforcements. But if you leave a medium bug alive, it can call in reinforcements just fine. Plus, with the longer range of bot fights, you can fire the the thing with less risk. And bot weakpoints can be hit with the airburst, it can kill turrets, tanks, and hulks (it isn't great against them, but it is solid if you can get behind them), but chargers and bile titans just don't care as much. I've heard it is possible to get enough of the explosions to hit their soft parts to kill them, but I haven't been able to pull it off. The airburst is also one of the better weapons for taking out bot fabricators from odd angles. Obviously the commando is king there, followed by the spear, but the airburst can hit the vents on a fabricator from behind and reasonably reliably land a sub-munition close enough to the vents to blow up the building. But against bug holes, it is surprisingly bad at taking out multiples, so with its long reload it isn't good for it, and with bugs jumping you all the time, it isn't reliably usable.
Laser Cannon sets enemies on fire now, loving it.
I was using 1 setup a lot. I was bored so I start using a loadout randomizer. I rarely think what I got use useless. And it fun. You should try it.
Nice video ! Idk if you play automatons aswell but i think a version of this video but for the other front could be interesting aswell.
i think he mentioned in one of his comments on wanting to do that
I use Commissar Kai's EAT and Commando loadout. My support weapons have so much up time I literally tell my squad if you need the EAT or Commando pick it up. That and as long as I'm tactical with how I use them, I can react to anything that needs an explosion of democracy in their face.
So far the bug build that gives me enough stopping power to lone wolf on diff 8 and lower (haven't tested on Helldive yet) is:
-Pummeler (fuck them Stalkers, plus I can yoink and be usefull with the many 'carry item towards the launch site thing')
-Dagger (infinite ammo and enough stopping power to clear the small chaff enemies)
-Stun grenades
-Autocannon (bugholes are no match for me)
-Orbital Railcannon and Precision (to take down chargers and BTs)
-gatling sentry to draw aggro and clear house as you reload/focus objectives
I suggest airburst rocket laucher, mortar sent, Auto sent, 380mm barrage you need close up chaff clearers for airburst to work well or you need to double down on long range chaff clearing to they don't get there in the first place
anybodys flamethrower also do no damage?
The devs decided we were having too much fun with it and made it unable to go through charger armor.
o7 for the flamey boy.
airburst is a good alternative to the ac for bots. kills tanks, kills chaff, kills turrets, kills hulks, it can blow up fabricators and airships. the only thing it struggles against is the side objectives like mortars and AA. and since its so good for crowd control, it lets you bring more stratagems for base destruction and single target. definitely not the best for bugs.
I recommend running the hmg with the crossbow and pocket shotty instead. The faster fire rate makes it amazing for killing mediums and closing spawners. Just reload at any time there's no enemies
I honestly play the laser max a lot, it’s fun and I have found it to kinda work. Switching between the sickle and the cannon let’s you kill all trash from pretty far away.
With the HMG, I like to bring the Sickle.
The Sickle has a high dps, and if you are willing to run it dry, has one of the highest sustained DPS of the AR style weapons. The only draw back is, it's only got 3 spare mags.
But with the HMG or grenade launcher, you're always popping resupplies anyway, so spray away and don't fear the reload!
It has a lot of horde clear, and you can quickly swap to the HMG for armored targets like hive guards or Stalkers, or Spewers.
I would bring Adjudicator since it has good dps too and medium armor pen, and if u leave at least 1 bullet in chamber it has a really fast reload too. Since you resupply, you get all 8 mags anyway out of 1 resupply, so you can spam and reload always
Is anyone a little confused with the next warbond? It looks cool but nothing really takes on the bots in anyway
The pump action should be good against them
I feel like the arc thrower was rated unfairly definitely because of the build you went with it. I got the game right after the big railgun nerf and have been an arc thrower main ever since I got it. My most used build is 500KG, Eagle airstrike, arc thrower, and shield backpack. For weapons I use the sickle, grenade pistol, and stuns. This build is my go to bugs build. I play quick play a bunch and typically go by myself for side objectives and points of interest. I rarely die and leave with 15-20 samples per game when in a squad of 2-4
Edit: I also only use light armor with the fortified perk for big bug missions
I use the Arc a lot on 7 and above since I focus on a croud control type and the only down side is the inconsistency or missfires it does... for the rest i pretty much survive everything and deal with Titans and Behemoths very easily
Quasar treades raw power of other rocket support weapons for convenience. It isn't as powerful as recoilless and spear but it is much better in terms of not eating into supply demands of your team and leaving your backpack free. I really like to take it if I intend to go off on my own and roam the map since I don't have to warry about running out of anti tank or hogging entire resupply for myself.
I like the blitzer+quasar+jump pack it's so much fun
The Arc Thrower mechanically is my favorite weapon. I think in the last 2 months, I've taken it on 5 missions. The thing has been in a sad state ever since they buffed hulk stagger resist.
Can’t wait to try the HMG with the crossbow especially now since the bow is 1 handed now
Here's an arc-thrower loadout that I have slowly evolved since launch and frequently get top kills with.
Armor: FS-37 Ravager (light engineering kit/'grenadier' armor)
Primary: Incen Breaker
Secondary: Grenade Pistol
Grenade: Stuns
Stratagems:
500kg
Railcannon
Shield Pack
Arc-Thrower
You can do anything with this loadout. There is absolutely a barrier to entry with it, because as has been in the known issues section in all of the patch notes pretty much since launch, the bolts are inconsistent and misfire based on terrain, enemy corpses, your horoscope for that day, et cetera. If you can get a grasp on the insanity that goes into these misfires and develop and instinct to avoid them, you will shred.
The grenade armor makes it so I'm never wanting for stuns to use against behemoths. I employ the stun dive tech you talk about with the incen breaker. If things are ever too hectic for that, a good railcannon can kill the troublesome behemoth and lighten the load.
The only place where I don't take this loadout is the small map Eradicate missions. I take a flamethrower and B-08 armor to those. Everything else I keep the same. These loadouts are so good I get bored of the game using them. Looking forward to testing them on super helldive.
My loadout relies a lot on mobility, too, it has to be said. You have to move quickly and gracefully.
The HMG can actually kill bile titans if u can position yourself well. Just shoot the butt from underneath when all the sacks pop.
The fun thing about normal machinegun is that it can shoot chargers legs butethe heavy can't
Personally, using Combos to kill BT's and other big enemies is a bad idea. The more steps to killing an enemy, the more parts where it can go wrong
Bug example: You get staggered by a hunter and miss your Recoilless/Quasar/Other AT weapon, meaning you either have to fall back on stratagems you were saving for something else or take the time to reload/wait for Quasar/get another EAT, overall taking more time to kill the Bile Titan
Bot example: You try to run under a Factory Strider to shoot the doors, but a Rocket Devastator snipes you from 150 meters away (complete BS). 2 things will either happen. 1. You live but the Strider is now alerted to you, and you have to take cover. 2. You can't get up in time to get to cover and you get shredded by the Gatlings.
On either front, time is key, and taking down a Heavy enemy with swiftness can mean life or death. One unlucky hunter could mean a bug breach with a hundred more hunters and even more Bile Titans. A stray rocket could mean the skies get covered in dropships and the only things you can see are lasers and metal.
Point is, combo'ing a Heavy enemy with multiple weapons/stratagems is more likely to fall apart and end in a worse situation.
If you can make it work and take down Bile Titans and Striders quickly, then by all means go for it. But I personally believe taking a single stratagem that can do hefty damage, if not outright one shot it is a much better decision than relying on a combo.
A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
I'm definitely going to try that railgun build on bugs next time I'm there, but probably with the Sickle.
I've been using Medium padded armor a lot lately with non-machine guns on the bot front, and if you can get both the Stamina Booster San Vitality booster on the same team, it has both a ton of durability and a ton of mobility.
On the Quazar, one interesting build Is started running was what I call a 'force recon' build.
Medium Scout armor, Arc Blitzed, Grenade Pistol, Stun Grenades,
Quasar, 500kg bomb, Orbital Gatling, 380mm barrage.
You're role is more about finding things and taking care of problems like Shrieker or Stalker nest early. Mostly by using the scout passive to spot things on the mini map and dropping drive-by strats on them.
And here the Wisest works better than the other anti-armor because it is very mobile. You can go roam and take those snap-shots at Bile Titans without stopping to reload.
It was fun.
These are all great builds that have really given my games a different look than what I usually do. Was pleasantly surprised at how effective and fun some of these weapons are that I haven’t used in ages. I respect the view on the airburst but personally, once you get the hang of being patient and picking your moments it’s great to just lob a rocket and delete 10-20 bugs, I run it with the eagle cluster often and run up huge kills. That being said, they absolutely need to give it a two stage reload you can cancel, there’s no reason for it not to and that reload time is blasphemous.
The AMR build is nearly what I use for both bugs and bots. I don’t use the jetpack, and go with Rover/Shield, I just don’t think the JP gets you far enough fast enough to be effective.
Airburst
Dominator or Adjudicator
Grenade Pistol
Stun Grenades
Orbital or Eagle Airstrike
Rocket Sentry
Autocannon Sentry
I have a lot of fun with this build on both fronts and you can take down almost everything in the game right now by using this combo of tools
It’s a meme weapon to most people but the build is versatile and fun
I also have every warbond which I feel most people don’t and that’s a lot for Airburst being viable
I like the HMG more than the AMR for my jump pack build. It is good against both heavies and mobs.
They gave the Spore enough armor to counter autocannon, did they revert that change?
I love using Stalwart or LMG with the eruptor against bugs
Guys don't bash me for this, but I really think the laser cannon is pretty good against bugs. Medium armor penetration. Can take down bile spewers can take down. Hive Guards can take down brood commanders, if you run on all laser build, but like you said, it all depends on what other stratagmes your team is bringing. If you bring an all laser build, it does do a decent job with mob control, but you do need to have a good team around you
The only thing, that killing an arc thrower, is a bug with empty discharge. If AH fix this bug and make an arc to shoot reliably this will be enough.
Even right now I'm using an arc thrower against bugs almost in 100% of missions: unlimited ammo, deletion of 3-4 small bugs, reliable stun of medium bugs, 6 shots kill of simple charger. So to cover my weaknes against BT and beheemots I'm using 500 Kg, P-strike (if no scatter debuff) and commando. P-strike can be exchanged to Gatling barrage. As a primary I'm usualy taking crossbow or eraptor (for unlimited bughole deletion), senator and stun grenades or i-shotgun + grenade pistol. I'm experianced enough to not fry my teammates too often, so most of the time bugs are not a problem.
But no amount of expirience or skill can compensate 4-5 empty shots one after another. After such failure bugs simply overran you and this is gg.)
We just failed the bot major order… so now I won’t feel guilty trying some of these builds on bug planets now. Thanks!!
Perfect timing
bug builds, but the thumbnail is bots? this has caused irreversible damage to me, I feel deceived. lied to, even. I'll never ever recover from this.
I don't think I'll ever trust anyone again
that background looked cool tho
Has something changed? I remember Chargers being the bigger issue, Bile Titans were fairly easy to deal with.
I dont have preferred loadouts, i just alter my loadout to fill whatever team im joining needs the most.
I love bringing both the eat and commando together and throw them all over the map so anyone can kill heavies
Airburst needs EMS if you try to use it on bugs or you will have a terrible time lol. Bring orbital EMS, EMS sentry, stuns, 500 for titans (or OPS but 500kg gives 3) nade pistol and breaker incendiary. Toss ems on the breach take a step back and lob rockets as the bugs pile in one spot. Chargers die to the airburst very fast if you shoot near the bum too.
Also since the reload is so garbage you can take that time to watch your surroundings and make sure nothing is too close before you lob the next cluster. EMS also stops bugs from even being able to sneak up especially with the mortar
If only AH would let us turn off the proximity on the airburst cluster and reduce the reload by 2sec.
Proximity fuse for the airburst isn't really a problem and removing it would remove alot of odd frontal oneshots like for hulks and tanks ( I'm probably forgetting some )
@@cheznugget I never said "remove" I said "turn off" much like how the Commando can turn off laser guidance.
@@LrdBxRck ah alright mb understandable
You can run with Granede launcher. That's a big plus for me.
I run the autocannon with stun grenades, incendiary breaker, pocket shotty, EAT, orbital railcannon strike, Eagle rocket pods. I must kill all of the bugs.
God I love tier lists
I use Lazer cannon with randoms but I dont do that loadout with everyone running it I use it with randoms i dont really have an issue with it unless its a heat planet then scape lazers.
On bugs if I’m bringing the hmg I’ll take the adjudicator with it because they both need the supply pack so why not take them together and double down on the bullet hoses
My bot loadout, I want some tuber to try and post, is medium scout(I get hit too often, light would be more ideal), Plasma Punisher, Redeemer, Impact, AMR, EMS turret, mortar turret, rocket turret. You are the cover fire master. My bug loadout I have recently found is Breaker, reedemer(i love it), stun, spear, 120, 380, cluster. Big boy killer
Is there a way to actually tell if a planet or map is going to have tons of spewers on it? Or is it just random chance?